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  • tell me some band like pillar plz !

  • @8xREapERx8 If your talking about Christian people but playing hard rock 'n' roll go look up Skillet.

  • @8xREapERx8 Skillet and Thousand Foot Krutch

  • @8xREapERx8 Breaking Benjamin is also a nice band (my oppinion)

  • /religion in youtube comments

  • Everyone just shut up about religion before I punch someone in the face.  Seriously every popular Christian band has at least one song with this argument. It is extremely frustrating that it is even an issue...if you don't like the Christian message, go away and forget about it, if you do like it, keep it to yourself too. I'm a Christian, but I hate the ones who get in arguments. It's like getting into argument with someone with straight D's, eventually both look like idiots.

  • @BBall0027 All I see is people trying to help xNystagmus see what he can't, that God isn't the mean, hateful ruler bent on destruction and misery. As a Christian you should know that we (Christians) are instructed by God to help others come to know Him. This, being a public forum, and the statements already having been made make it the perfect opportunity to be obedient to God. xNystagmus, RockinReiner and myself have not argued.

  • @BBall0027 In fact, this has been one of the most non-confrontational discussions I've seen anywhere on the internet on this subject. Pretty cool actually that all involved try to keep it pretty civil.

  • what a fool tool... If you were aware of your sin then you would be afraid. but you denie it and justifie your sin. so you live in ignorance. but you know that you are wrong. denie him and he will say he never knew you. Why would''nt you believe because you have not died. Hell was not made for us it was made for him who rules the world and all that follow him. There is no inbetween.

  • And if he doesn't except my explanation, or can't tell my why so many people die prematurely while they're under his rule, or are born with crippling defects, then I don't know what I'll do. But it certainly won't be to praise him on his good work.

  • @xNystagmus I understand bad moods dude, its fine. The reason so much crap happens ( like the premie deaths and disasters) is because there's a Devil (a.k.a. Satan or Lucifer) and HE started this all when he deceived Eve ( first woman ever ) into sinning (doing wrong against God) and when sin entered the world it couldnt be taken out, and God had to punish them. Since sin became our nature we are also punished with the disasters and diseases. The world was perfect when it was created.

  • @xNystagmus No illness or disaster was in this world, it was through sin and God's punishment that this all came into being.

  • Sorry for the outburst I was kind of just in a bad mood. Spent the whole time following my family around a mall while they bought stupid crap. I'm just going to stop arguing, and I admit I'm stubborn about it. I just can't believe in a god that would let things happen to people. When I think of an allpowerful being, stopping a disaster sounds like it should be pretty easy. But they still happen. So if someday I'm standing in front of some pearly gates, I'll explain myself to your God. (cont)

  • I'm just going to stop replying to the comments trying to argue with me. Its really getting old, and a wee bit stupid.

  • IM going in the mess :D

  • @Nystagmus - Your arguments are weak and have been used repeatedly by other people many, many times just like you who are looking for any and every excuse to deny God. So, if you want to deny God, then deny Him but don't berate or belittle those who do. Just as you have the right to deny God, I and the many others here have the same right to accept God and His Son Jesus Christ. No skin off your nose if we do.

  • @Nystagmus And as for your daughter getting hurt because she slipped and fell making you a bad parent, sit in an emergency room for a couple of nights and see how many children or adults have injuries or other problems while their really loving, caring families and friends were near by.

  • @Nystagmus - do I believe that you exist, yes although I've never seen you. Do you have a brain? I'm sure the gray matter exists within your skull, although I've never seen it. Come on... that "if I can't see God then He must not exist" excuse is lame at best. As for that "popping in every 100 years" garbage is just as lame. He "pops in" with me daily but then I'm not trying to get by with lame excuses not to see Him or know Him.

  • @AttiGirl1 that's almost like saying i can't see air so it doesn't exist but u know it's there ryt ? same thing applies to ppl who belive in god

  • I enjoy the music the whole time I'm typing. If you don't enjoy it why come to it?

  • STFU And Enjoy The Music!

  • pfft heaven and hell?! they were only made up to scare people into believing in god

  • I spend my time at work instead of in a church praying for things to work out. I make sure they do.

  • @xNystagmas it's a little sad that you would use a classic atheist argument be a little more original my friend. As well as you have no place being here if your trying to harm people with yours words. Of course you could stay but go spend your time soon something more... Productive, that is if you can.

  • Y'know what? The band is Christian. Case closed, if you don't like it, GTFO. If you guys who say you are atheists really didn't care, you wouldn't argue. To be completely honest, you people who keep saying, "Oh, I don't really care," are the ones that look the most pathetic. Atheists arguing on this video are contradicting themselves by asking to be argued with, your basically telling us to convince you otherwise because you don't want to be an atheist, or whatever reason. Kthxbai.

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  • im athiest y? y not ? my choice!

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  • this is real non autotune talent

  • ilol@religion

    And if everything in the Bible does turn out to be true, I'll laugh all the way down to Hell.

  • @xNystagmus The last time I checked, if there is a hell it will be a place of eternal pain and torment which will make any pain on this earth seem like nothing. Personally, l think that if you could laugh at, say......being thrown onto a bed of hot embers and laugh(going sort of along with the whole pit of fire thing), then you are literally insane, that or you just have a completely wrong perspective on this subject

  • @tools4trade27 I said I would laugh on the way down. Not whilst in Hell. If, after my entire life, it turns out that all of the things I could never believe in, God, Destiny, the Devil, etc. were true. I would laugh at that. The whole idea/concept is so ridiculous to me, that for it to actually be real would be so... I can't even describe it. All in all I would laugh at it, and at myself. And at all the things that are so obviously wrong with the whole idea.

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  • @xNystagmus 7 words: A Shame by Pillar, check it out

  • @tools4trade27 LOL, so its a shame that I don't believe in 1 out of 1,000,000 different religions, that you just happen to believe in? That's just hilarious. I'm not afraid of "hell". Would you be afraid, if a naked man walked up to you, and told you that if you didn't give him your money he was going to shoot you with the gun in his pocket? No. Because you see no gun. Its the same with "hell". I don't believe its there. So I'm not afraid of it. How could I be?

  • @xNystagmus Ur F*cking Right man

  • @xNystagmus i dont know bout you, but id shit bricks if a naked man walked up to me

  • @ILovePunkX3 Yeah I'd be a little creeped out, but still :)

  • @xNystagmus Cause believe it or not, that fear that belief in eternal damnation keeps alot of people on a good path. some people need it to get through life, some need it fight for what they believe in, some just need it as a guide for right and wrong. but...what if it does exist? isn't eternal damnation a big price for 80 or so years of arrogance? 

  • @zarnaxis22 If someone needs to be threatened to be nice then they aren't a good person to begin with. And how could a God possibly judge someone when they've allowed thousands of other religions to cloud his creations minds? Why allow other false religions to exist if it only means more people being punished? I won't believe in a God that would be that cruel. And if it does end up being true, I'll explain myself to this "God" and if he can't except my reasoning then he would be a bad god.

  • @xNystagmus He allows all of these other religions to exist because He didn't create us to be robots. He created us with the free will to choose to follow Him or not. He is not "cruel" or "a bad god" as you put it. He is a just God that loves us enough to punish us when we do wrong, like your parents do to you. We're not perfect or holy enough to go to Heaven when we die. On our own we have no hope the only eternity we can look forward to is eternity in hell.

  • @xNystagmus But don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself and read it with your own eyes. Find a Bible ( also known as the Word of God ) and look up the verse John 3:16. That one verse explains how much God wants us to go to Heaven with Him when we die. We cant get there ourselves as I stated before, He gave us a way to get to heaven, all we have to do is accept it and take it. So, tell me how is a God who would give up His only Son a "cruel" or "bad god"? Seems like He cares very much.

  • @RockinReiner19 Oh, I didn't realize a hazy account of a man who lived thousands of years ago was supposed to utterly change my mind. /sarcasm. Even if that was true, the sacrifice of one person doesn't appease the millions that have died from starvation, diseases, freak accidents, hurricanes, tsunami's, etc. Where was your "god" when all those things happened? No where, like he's always been.

  • @xNystagmus One day......You'll see one day..... And God let's thing happen for His plan for us. And just because you haven't seem Him doesn't mean He's not real. You believe in Christopher Columbus? You've never seen him. Or what about George Washington and all our other presidents? You believe they were real people, but you never saw them. So what makes you think that a man who died on a cross didn't exist? Doesn't make sense if you think about it.... You're making a big mistake man.

  • @davidandalex1 Do I believe in Christopher Columbus... yes. There's concrete evidence that he lived. George Washington? Obviously... Every other president... What are you even trying to say? Do I believe in a god told about in a book that's 2,000 years old, and since then has absolutely nothing to back it up to show that's its true? No.

  • @xNystagmus And there's evidence that Jesus lived. And if you OBVIOUSLY believe in George Washington, why not believe in a guy that lived a long time ago? Doesn't really make sense... And they are right about your choice of denying God. It's GOD GIVEN to have free choice.

  • @xNystagmus The GUY that you are trying to dis and call not real is the guy that made you. and you are rejecting him. he died for you and you are spitting in his face do you really think that he really enjoys that you are making a really BIG mistake.

  • @xNystagmus If you had a daughter and you were holding her hand, and she slipped out of your hand and got hurt, does that mean you wanted her to get hurt? No. God doesn't want us to get hurt either. But, if He took control of everything He would then take away our free will ( remember that? from the last section I put in here?) which would make us the robots you speak of. Giving YOU the right to deny Him.

  • @RockinReiner19 If I had a daughter and I let her slip and get hurt, that would make me a bad parent. Using your own analogy that means God isn't good at what he does. He wouldn't have to "take control of everything". How about just popping in every 100 years so people have a real reason to believe in him other than a book that's been rewritten 100 times over?

  • @xNystagmus So, basically its your GOD GIVEN right to deny God.

  • @xNystagmus Just because you don't see it does not mean it isn't real...You would be smart to remember that...

  • @wolfthundereyes1 So do you also believe in the toothfairy, santa, and unicorns? Just because you don't see it...

  • @xNystagmus ///if you really don't care about God and you're not scared about any of it, why don't you go read the Bible for yourself and just see what it says? Start on page 1 and read to the end. And yeah, your arguments are not very good.. And I don't think you will be laughing when that day comes...... Just sayin..

  • @xNystagmus If you don't believe in "hell," then were do we go after we die?... And what you said about not being scared of hell... You know that stupid "Maze Game?" If not, go look it up. I bet it has (or will) scare you even just a little. How does a picture of a freaky person scare you, but when you think of a place of suffering in a lake of fire with weeping and torment not scare you? Would you rather go look at a creepy picture or go jump into a firepit for the rest of your life?

  • @davidandalex1 We don't "go" anywhere. You die. Your brain shuts down, and you become nonexistent. The "freaky person" picture is real. Hell is not. There's your difference.

  • @xNystagmus Your right about what happens.. but only on the physical level, we're talking about spiritually. Hell is quite real and the difference is that the freaky picture is just that. a picture. Hell is a real place filled with eternal suffering and torment. The only thing stupid thing I see is how your willing to argue and not even consider what we're trying to tell you, not even enough to go look and see if its true or not.

  • @RockinReiner19 Go "look and see" what? Your invisible angels, or your god, who if he was real like you say, likes to kill off large amounts of people with hurricanes, earthquakes, and tsunami's?

  • @xNystagmus I have to admit. I do like that your skeptical. It means that your thinking and not just following blindly. If you paid attention a little bit you would find that God lets these things happen to TEST us and our faith in Him, if your saved and you know your going to Heaven.. why be afraid? I'll answer that for you. Its because we're HUMAN and we can't help but be afraid. I know I would be terrified if a major hurricane came straight to my area, but I really shouldn't be.

  • @xNystagmus That's not to say if there's a tornado coming we should go and stand in front of it and dare God to save us, 'cause most likely He won't. If your faith is real then that's all you need. As for "seeing" God.. Have you ever looked at a tree? an animal? even another person? of course you have, when you look at anything your seeing God. God created everything you possibly see. I know He didn't actually create computer or cars, however He DID create everything we used to make them.

  • @RockinReiner19 Also he devil has power over the weather too, look what he did to Job, but remember god's power is greater if you ask for his protection :]

  • @jackof4356 true, but we must remember that God's "protection" or whatever happens MUST be in God's will and that it may not always be the way we want it. Sometimes the answer is yes, sometimes no and sometimes not now. xNystagmus would have us believe that God is just evil for things that happen to us that aren't "nice".  It's important to remember that sometimes the best comes out of "not nice".

  • @AttiGirl1 And I know that from josph when he was made a slave, a presoner before he was made second in command of egypt =/

  • likes to kill off large amounts of people with hurricanes, earthquakes, and tsunami's?

    @xNystagmus - and again with the repetition

  • @AttiGirl1 Yet again with just calling out "repeating yourself" instead of fucking giving a reason why some almighty god WOULD DO THAT IF HE WAS REAL. You have no real reason so you call out stupid shit. Give me a real argument and then maybe I wont HAVE to repeat myself.

  • @xNystagmus It has already been asked and answered. You don't HAVE to repeat yourself, you just refuse to even give a second's consideration to the answer. It's ok if you want deny God but if you want to ARGUE then at least pay attention to the responses so you won't become redundant.

  • @xNystagmus Are you really such a child that you have to cuss at us? I understand not liking other people saying your wrong, nobody likes to be wrong. Noone is making you repeat yourself, you're doing that on your own. As for your "real argument" you obviously don't want to learn either, your on here looking for an argument otherwise you would look up what we're telling you, if for no other reason than so you would see where we're coming from.

  • @AttiGirl1 Ummm romans chapter 15....... so ummm if the bible says stop, don't be his stumbling block, don't start aruging, just sit with the truth and let jesus find him.

  • @jackof4356 exactly why I refuse to repeat

  • @xNystagmus DUDE GOD DIDN'T DO THAT YOU LOVEABLE FOOL!! Learn the bible the devil can control the weather but if more that one christian prays togeather then God will stop it.

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  • @xNystagmus finally some1 with my viewpoint :D

  • the musics great nomore talk of religion

  • This song is a bassists playground Just like disciples 321.

  • Holy shit.

    What`s with everyone ranting about religion?

    Doesn`t anyone come here just to listen to good music?

  • @SirWilliamDoof nop if you dont understand it its all about words dued

  • @SirWilliamDoof becaus some people dont know religion from awesome song so they argu for no fucking shit on the best songs, personaly i dont give a shit about religion im here for the music so they should 2 if not they can stick it up there asses

  • holllyy fuckk stickkssssss fuk no....

  • i like this song. but the bass line is a little to jazzy for my taste

  • @xUnitedxDestructonx  Learn to spell O.o please ^.^

  • ITS THE MOST TRUTHFUL SHIT ABOUT ALL RELIGION WITH FAVTS TO BACK UP THE SHIT THEY FUCKIN SAY DUDE WATCH IT...

  • ALRIGHT THEN MR FUKIN SMART ASS YOU TELL ME YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THIS SHIT.......THERES NO GOD DAMNE PROOOF....U MUST NOT PUT THOUGHT IN IT.....

    WATCH ZEITGEIST VIDEO IDK HOW TO SPELL IT BUT GOOGLE IT....ITS A 2 HR VIDEO OF SHIT THAT WILL HAVE YOUR PANNIES INA BUNCH N MAKE U SAW FUCK ALL THE LAWS IL DO WHATEVER

  • @xUnitedxDestructionx Will not bash you for your opinion. I have felt the presence if God in my life, but as I have told my children, I can't tell you to believe or to feel something. It is something you must seek out and find for yourself. I have to say though the peace God has given me, is so much better than anything the world has had to offer. I have searched for happiness through many other things and it always comes back to Him.

  • GOD is God

    he created the world babies are born everyday isnt that Gods miracle?? the sun shine everyday

    thats proof enough !!!

    pillars are awesome

  • RELIGION IS JUST SOMETHING THE GOV CREATED TO BRING MORE MONEY TO THE TABLE PUT YOUR MIND TO IT ALL THAT SHITS BS.....RESPOND TO THIS BUT DNT TALK SHIT CUZ IREALY WANNT OPPINIONS IWANNA KNOW THE TRUTH.....AGAIN WHO DOESNT

  • @xUnitedxDestructionx Don't talk shit? Wow, you're going to get it anyways. Religion was around LONGER than the creation of government and law. so, no, it's not the government that created it. Get your facts right.

  • @DemonofPerishSong if anything religion created government, the first organized set of rules / leaders was the church, shamans and/or spiritula leaders. NOTE: im not just talking christianity, im talking about all religion tree spirit, river spirit, da voodoo, thor, fricken everything. but later on in history the government and religion separated and then both got all intermingled and corrupted.

  • @DemonofPerishSong Anytime you want to talk, not argue. Email me. Add me on facebook. I am embarrassed to see how people have responded to you. I won't ask you to believe what I believe because we are not the same. I can truly say though, whatever truth you are searching for, you won't find on here.

  • @xUnitedxDestructionx The government didn't create government. Admittedly they have taken control of it to turn it into a money hoarding "business" but they don't fully control it. I have no technical religion because im of mixed belief so don't comment even calling me an atheist because im not.

  • @xUnitedxDestructionx your arrogance. it makes my brain sad.

  • This isn't a forum, it is comments for a song. It is also not some debate site, it is youtube. I'm a Christian, but I really don't like it when fellow Christians try and force their beliefs on people. If they don't want to hear it, don't share. So let's just enjoy the song, and show some respect to our fellow human beings. (something which lacks in today's society)

  • it's not because they're a christian rock band that everyone has to comment their video's with religion comments, there are other places to do that, just listen to the awesomeness of this song

  • Enough said! I just want to laugh when people say they want proof that God is God. Huh? Are you serious? If you can understand even a little bit about my God, you wouldn't ask a God that created this world to show u proof. And just exactly who are you that a God that has everything would have to answer stupid questions like that. It's time to wake up. My God doesn't have to prove he's God. I didn't need him to answer questions like that to serve him. That's nothing but a cop out. open your eyes

  • "Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him be a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God....." 1 Cor 3:18-19

    "He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered." 28:26

  • "It is an honor for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling." Prov 20:3

    "......and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words." Ecc 5:3

    "The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself. The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness. A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him, who can tell him?" Ecc 10:12-14

  • "Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge." Prov 12:7

    "The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly(a lack of understanding and foresight) is deceit." Prov 14:8

    "Fools make a mock at sin:" Prov 14:9

    "The simple believe every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going." Prov 14:15

    "A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident." Prov. 14:16

  • no one can prove god is real, no one can prove god is not real.

    in teh bible god also admits that other gods are real so all you diehard christians better accept the fact that your god aint the only one, likely not even teh biggest or the baddest.

    there are religions that are older and bigger than christianity. there are thousand ofm religions christianioty is comparitively new. with so many gods out there everyone is going to hell anyways so stop

  • @JoeOrno religion is a faith, therefor religion saves those that will let it. And also the bible is meant to be taken in the figurative sense, as it was written by Jewish scribes who were on the verge of extinction and to convey the points of the stories they had been told by their parents and elders they had to use unrealistic quantities, events and powers. And the God you believe in is not the God of other larger religions, so what makes your God any more real than the Gods of other religions?

  • In every video for this band there is a religion discussion...Is this a christian band or something? if it is even better =D but Please...people stop arguing and listen to the song

  • man these guys pump me up!

  • man these guys pump me up!

  • JoeOrno you ever saw god? NO....you can't know it for 100% that there is a god...

  • i heard song titles from skillet, mercyme, barlowgirl, kutless, tfk, relient k, disciple, underoath, p.o.d., and superchick in there, sweetness! :)

  • @relientk4Jesus i also heard red

  • Lester.....

  • AWESOME. PERIOD.

  • love it love it.... whats their newest album????

  • Confessions is there newest album.

  • I was looking and i found out that will mcginnis and mark stuart were executive producers for this cd.. (If you don't know who they are they were in audio adrenaline)

  • Really?! how cool! i used to love that band, what happened to audio adrenaline? i don't hear much from them anymore

  • Lead singer is literally losing his voice. I guess he still sings though but for audio unplugged. but he doesn't sing like he used too

  • Hey howa bout we stop fighting and listen to this amazing song and band?! If your fighting bout whats sin and whats not go to your preist or pastor or read the bible. but either way great band (: Their amazing live :]

  • i dont think perfection is a sin. its just unnatainable.

  • perfection is not a sin you are right it is just unatianable

  • Gah. This song is love. I can't get enough of it. :D

  • pillar, skillet, thousand foot kructh, etc. are so unique!

  • this song is unique. ear catcher :)

  • some of the songs rly reminds of Limp Bizkit! <3

    aaahh.. Good times!

  • His voice is like hearing from Limp Bizkit again :D

  • Limp Bizkit...?

  • definitely the best

  • Pillar know what, good and pushess you up and never make go down

  • the only thing i dont like about pillar is nothing

  • Best band

  • Except for the fact that its nothing like it in the slightest...

  • religion is religion, most of which worship god or the all knowing. Relentless they still believe in him but just look at it in a dif. perspective.... so everyone needs to stop knocking religions... if someone doesn't believe in god that's their decision, i know you want to help but don't be mean to athiests... im a christians but that doesnt mean i cant accept people who dont believe... come on guys (and girls) please grow up...

  • @SpartanGod9696 i don't care for religion; i just like their music.

    (same with evanescence and more)

  • @SpartanGod9696 Thank you. Seriously My boyfriends dad hates me because I was raised a Catholic. Which I don't even agree nor follow that Religion. I am Christian at heart. Why hate someone for that? Some people take it to a next level which is ridiculous.

    He said I am Catholic so I am Stupid and ugly....hahahahaaaaa.

  • meh. Religion just causes arguments, at least everyone here agrees on the music. screw religious beleifs, enjoy the music...

  • eh whats the prob with swearing christians do it too and you can't say they don't lol cuz I know alot who do lol

  • Well, maybe they arent very dedicated to it if they are christians who swear alot. If they read the bible they would know that its not okay.....

  • they dont swear though

  • Yeah I know, I meant one of these guys friends. It was another conversation. lol

  • Perfection is a sin for your information. Humans have faults, its just God's way of teaching us right from wrong.

  • Umm.... Excuse me. Did I say anything about perfection? I'm just saying that if you know that you shouldnt swear but you do anyway (btw it doesnt just slip out. I have friends who swear on IMs and stuff. They know what they said) then you should consider taking your words more seriously. Words are important but I guess I worded my last comment wrong. Sorry.

  • i guess no one can have that sin since no one can attain that :P

  • i guess, i mean i feel we should all aim for nothing less than perfection but that doesnt mean that we wont ever sin. If that was the case everyone in this world would smile, even though we all actually have a reason to smile. its call we are alive and so is GoD. if you cant smile for your self how can you for him?

  • perfection is a goal not a reality

  • christian video guys plz stop cussing?

  • yeah i dont get that...how do u have music classified as "rapcore" and "hard rock" also considered christian?...that makes absolutly NO sense to me...im just saying

  • it´s just the message, never mind, it´s awesome music so just give a fuck about that and enjoy =)

  • its the meaning of the songs that considers them as a "christian band." im not trying to get started on religion im just saying..

  • I'm waitin' for ya down ... I'll catch you (NOT)

  • lol. christian music owns. GoD <3

  • I'm Agnostic but even I think that Pillar has some pretty damn good music.

  • y does it matter what religion you are to like the music?...i didn't even know this was a christian band till i looked them up

  • I'm just saying.

  • hell ya post jump mother fuckers

  • For five fucking percent there seems to be a hell of alot of this spam.

  • exactly what i was thinking.

  • WTF!?

    who are those jonas brothers?

    ive never heard of those cunts

  • be glad

  • xD okeh!

    i am naow!

  • id say jump but that would make me and accessory to murder...

  • STFU and post only comments mof

  • hu the hell r the jonas brothers

  • lol u dont know a soul has been saved god blessed u well dude XD

  • why everyone are freaking talking about religion!!!!