We have enough proof that black people's ability can be stifled by broken systems. Just because i can switch back and forth doesn't mean we should set a precedent.
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I don't think there is any reason to assume that Patois is a threat to learning formal English. All humans are perfectly capable of code switching from vernacular dialects to formal languages. Is there any reason to think Jamaican youths cannot be able to switch between the two forms of English, that they would have to choose one or the other, or that they should have to kill the Patois to give life to the formal English?
Those men who are discussing this issue give the impression that they could afford and would send their children to the schools in Jamaica with the highest literacy pass rates in what is termed the Queens English. This is why I have not come across any cogent proponents for this waste of resources and a divergence from raising the education attainment standards to levels of Cuba, Trinidad and Barbados.
@Linsteadite You misunderstand. Linguists worldwide will tell you- if people's "mother tongue" (the one they hear their family members use at home) is not denigrated and incorrectly called broken English, English can then be taught properly and learnt properly as a second language. At the moment the silly assumption is that our people are native English speakers. Identity issues, at the heart of Jamaica's real pain, will also be redressed in part here.
@Linsteadite That would be wonderful but not a pre-requisite for a people's language to be given its due respect. You are probably going to now ask how a physics book could be written in Jamaican- if we had to we could. English was once seen as a no-good, second-rate, inadequate language of the masses.
@Linsteadite Many Jamaicans respect the Bible as a spiritual guide or higher so it is a logical candidate for translation as a means of affirming a people about their language. I know some people who feel God 'speaks' English and nothing else...
With the most churches per square mile than any other country and nearly the highest rates of murder in the world, Jamaicans can't recognize that the dogmatic approaches they are using to address the serious socio-economical problems is only making things worse, since more things can be accomplished with hands working together rather than with hands held in prayer.
@Linsteadite there should be prayer and work. The bible states that faith without works is dead. The problem has been that we will talk faith and pray faith but we will not work faith and act faith!
@hlounges I am no atheists but I will tell you this, if you believe that the people of Jamaica would be better people if they read the bible in their bastardized language your mistaken because if you Google the countries with the least amount of violence you'll find they have the highest numbers of atheists.
@Linsteadite You say that like English itself isn't a bastardised language as well.
Also, you're drawing an imaginary correlation between peace and secularism, religiously homogeneous nations tend to have little violence as well. If anything, atheism is the side effect of living in a developed nation because you have less incentive to believe in a higher power if your life isn't rife with conflict.
@lexdiamonds1990 Where are those religiously homogeneous nations that have low rates of violence?
There is practically one religion in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and even America and all those countries have a high level of violent deaths. Correlation may not equal causation but superstition/religion certainly has killed more people than it has saved.
@Linsteadite Argentina, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Canada, Japan,there's a whole laundry list of nations that don't have a high level of religious diversity but also don't have a high level of conflict.
Also you have to answer the question of how much of that violence is religiously motivated or politically motivated? Most religious conflicts only pop up when religion becomes mixed with politics, not because of religion being inherently divisive or anything like that.
We have enough proof that black people's ability can be stifled by broken systems. Just because i can switch back and forth doesn't mean we should set a precedent.
YardGyalAle 11 months ago
@YardGyalAle what proof is this?
asydneyhughes 8 months ago
Patois Bible?? Ehh.. Sounds pointless
bornthug213 1 year ago
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MrJamello 1 year ago
This is sooooo funny cuz jamaicans have a hard time even reading english and worst lol dwl WE cant even read patois.
kissyface28 1 year ago
This is sooooo funny cuz jamaicans have a hard time even reading english and worst lol dwl WE cant even read patois.
kissyface28 1 year ago
Interesting stuff
Larrygallis 1 year ago
I don't think there is any reason to assume that Patois is a threat to learning formal English. All humans are perfectly capable of code switching from vernacular dialects to formal languages. Is there any reason to think Jamaican youths cannot be able to switch between the two forms of English, that they would have to choose one or the other, or that they should have to kill the Patois to give life to the formal English?
ericjungleboy 3 years ago 10
Those men who are discussing this issue give the impression that they could afford and would send their children to the schools in Jamaica with the highest literacy pass rates in what is termed the Queens English. This is why I have not come across any cogent proponents for this waste of resources and a divergence from raising the education attainment standards to levels of Cuba, Trinidad and Barbados.
Linsteadite 3 years ago
@Linsteadite You misunderstand. Linguists worldwide will tell you- if people's "mother tongue" (the one they hear their family members use at home) is not denigrated and incorrectly called broken English, English can then be taught properly and learnt properly as a second language. At the moment the silly assumption is that our people are native English speakers. Identity issues, at the heart of Jamaica's real pain, will also be redressed in part here.
hlounges 1 year ago
@hlounges Well your right , so the logical progression would be to have all the school text books in the peoples first language not the Bible.
Linsteadite 1 year ago
@Linsteadite That would be wonderful but not a pre-requisite for a people's language to be given its due respect. You are probably going to now ask how a physics book could be written in Jamaican- if we had to we could. English was once seen as a no-good, second-rate, inadequate language of the masses.
hlounges 1 year ago
@Linsteadite Many Jamaicans respect the Bible as a spiritual guide or higher so it is a logical candidate for translation as a means of affirming a people about their language. I know some people who feel God 'speaks' English and nothing else...
hlounges 1 year ago
@hlounges
As some one once said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
Linsteadite 1 year ago
@hlounges
With the most churches per square mile than any other country and nearly the highest rates of murder in the world, Jamaicans can't recognize that the dogmatic approaches they are using to address the serious socio-economical problems is only making things worse, since more things can be accomplished with hands working together rather than with hands held in prayer.
Linsteadite 1 year ago
@Linsteadite there should be prayer and work. The bible states that faith without works is dead. The problem has been that we will talk faith and pray faith but we will not work faith and act faith!
lettie131 2 months ago
@hlounges I am no atheists but I will tell you this, if you believe that the people of Jamaica would be better people if they read the bible in their bastardized language your mistaken because if you Google the countries with the least amount of violence you'll find they have the highest numbers of atheists.
Linsteadite 1 year ago
@Linsteadite You say that like English itself isn't a bastardised language as well.
Also, you're drawing an imaginary correlation between peace and secularism, religiously homogeneous nations tend to have little violence as well. If anything, atheism is the side effect of living in a developed nation because you have less incentive to believe in a higher power if your life isn't rife with conflict.
lexdiamonds1990 1 year ago
@lexdiamonds1990 Where are those religiously homogeneous nations that have low rates of violence?
There is practically one religion in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and even America and all those countries have a high level of violent deaths. Correlation may not equal causation but superstition/religion certainly has killed more people than it has saved.
Linsteadite 1 year ago
@Linsteadite Argentina, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Canada, Japan,there's a whole laundry list of nations that don't have a high level of religious diversity but also don't have a high level of conflict.
Also you have to answer the question of how much of that violence is religiously motivated or politically motivated? Most religious conflicts only pop up when religion becomes mixed with politics, not because of religion being inherently divisive or anything like that.
asydneyhughes 8 months ago