Missing Presumed Alive: The 1619 Missing Persons - Part 1/2

[kyriacos40]

I want greek and turkish people to be friends, but after seeing this how can anyone trust your culture this happened in the 70s this is not to long ago.I also like to mention the genocide of the armenians. I dont know if thier is a god but is thier is he will judge the evil you have comited to hummanity.I say greeks can never trust you until you prove your selves, but still greek society still have to keep one eye open even when they sleep at nite.

[kyriacos40]

evil bastards what is thier excus for theses defenseless captured people who disapeared and proof that they were captured alive.I say no excuse you make us greeks the evil ones how can greeks and cypriot greeks ever trust your society with this evidience.How can greek cypriots have closure even if you killed them they have the rite to know

[mhpbahadir1985]

yeahhh

we kicked ass

jesus kiss my ass

[pushups2345]

there are still 4 americans missing to

[papillonaquatique]

@pushups2345 What are the names of the four missing Americans?

[pushups2345]

@papillonaquatique i'm not sure - i can only find the name of the fifth american citizen, Andreas Kasapis, who's remains were identified in 1998

[PAKCO75]

get away from the greek land mongols,murderers!!!!!!!

[VOICEofTRNC]

Humans being humans, some do bad things. I would accept that attrocities were committed by both sides, but on different scales. The Greeks attempted ethnic cleansing of Turks, the genocide of Turkish Cypriots is admitted by Greeks themselves. The attempt of ENOSIS saw Turkish Cypriots suffer for years before Turkey intervened. This video explains a tiny fraction of true Cyprus history. A one sided story.

[VOICEofTRNC]

Humans being humans, some do bad things. I would accept that attrocities were committed by both sides, but on different scales. The Greeks attempted ethnic cleansing of Turks, the genocide of Turkish Cypriots is admitted by Greeks themselves. The attempt of ENOSIS saw Turkish Cypriots suffer for years before Turkey intervened. This video explains a tiny fraction of true Cyprus history. A one sided story.

[CrusaderIXGR]

The 1619 missing cypriots grave has been found, today.

Revenge is near mongoloids.

[BLAKESTONED]

What's that supposed to mean? Are you going to hit me or something?

[elzbelz08]

few have been found,very few.this mongoloid term-no need for it

[Koazimado]

they desired that...

[lethethehaunted]

i am sorry about the missing people but it was a war,both side suffered enough,damn politicians...

[MrJohnKevinStanley]

Come on ArgeadsRevenge...what u know about history of cyprus?..u asshole...all u no is that turkey was invasing the island...what about all those massacres since 1963-1974 that Grivas,Samson and Makarios did...That was right,but when Turkey used his rights in Warranty Aggreement and interference to island,this is invaison...FUck you...how can u make me sure that u wont go further if turkey goes back....fuckin politics...nothin more...ur ENOSIS plan..damn HELLAS...

[babyhercs]

ok lets get one thing straight if you do you research right and know your history you will find that it was english forces on the island in the 60's that killed the turks to flare tension after we gained our independace because they kne we would be a strong influence on the middle eas!turkey is in poverty and just an all round terrible nation europe dont even want you what is that telling you!oh and hows does it feel turkey's national hero and founder was gay hahahahaha

[sekerim1]

How about Alexander the GAY .  well known for his liking of small boys, and Makarios also enjoyed the company of boys.. Greece is the founder of Gays

[babyhercs]

how about you are uncivilized barbarians your race is nothing but theives and rapeists you dont not deserve to be in europe! what about in the 1800s when you raped our people you started evrything you are greedy you dont like to live in peace because you know we are supirior to you

[sekerim1]

no babyhercs. Europe was in the dark ages when the middle east and islam had an empire. Turks taught you lot to bath in europe as you all stank and didnt no how to bath. you see i am now talking silly things because you r stupid and only understand simple things . Barbarians the word is formed from a group of EUROPEANS who plundered and raped. The Vikings PLunered and raped, The crusaders certainly raped and plundered even their own Christians in Byzantine, we can go on about barbarism...nutcase

[elzbelz08]

So what about the Berbers then? they aren't european?the word 'berber' means barbarian. I think the word derives from greek 'barbaros' meaning anyone who isn't Greek so kinda throws your definition out the window! if we follow your definition then im sure all ppls ofhe world were once 'barbarians'.Usually described as uncivilised and godless well ...

[irenoush]

kemal was the one known as gay so u better shut the fuck up

[Rifatkilikcap]

missing and presumed dead........

self deception just prolongs misery.

[Eyelken]

bla bla bla

[theosbabe]

Do you know how it feels to have someone killed in the invation and also during the invation?

[theosbabe]

How it also feels to know either your mum, dad, brother or sister is missing since the invasion?

[theosbabe]

Well, I tell you, have lost three of my family members, one is my grandfather and the other two are my cousins, which my grandfather was killed in 1985, yes, 11 years after the invasion and my two cousins again was killed in 1996, yes, 22 years after the invasion.

[theosbabe]

The reason why my grandfather didn't leave the his home in '74 was because he was not 100% to leave his home. The red cross, knew he was there, but the turkish army had no right to go and beat him up. When one of my cousin's was killed, why did one of the forces (not greek, but another force), go and throw a stone on the poor man's head?

[xelam0ny]

it wasn't his home. You tried to explode our borders. Then you saw...

[theosbabe]

What then did i see? It was home he had the deeds in his name not in turks name like Edogan. It was in his name. What's ur borders? NONE thats all. U don't have no borders.

[theosbabe]

How do u know it was not his home? IT WAS HIS HOUSE, WE HAVE THE DEEDS THAT SAY EVERYTHING NOT U!

[theosbabe]

This video states the truth of what happend to the missing person's, but what did they do with the rest of them, if some were returned?

As some of may be aware of, some of the missing person's were handed back to their loved ones, but in bones; so where is the Human Rights?

I have one thing to say Turkey is guilty country who wishes to join the European Union, with such a bad record of murder and bad human rights.

[donmem]

you forget what the greek people did to the turkish????? what about the turkish people that died,.

[djharun]

Greeks wanted the whole of cyprus ( Just like they do Now) So they planed to kill all turkish ( Not Knowing turkey would help them) So they started the war killing incocent people , turkish cypriots called turkey and said " the greeks have started to attack " Turkey said "No problem we will be their soon" turkish troops came moved the greeks to the south,split the borders and the war was over. a lot off turkish died and a lot of greeks died just because greeks wanted the whole of cyprus .

[ilke84]

I love you guys acting like only greeks have missing persons!!..

[ifuckallturksgirls]

CYPRUS IS GREEK

[Composmentis1]

So the comments which had been posted over here couldn't be Turkish propaganda at all. Because the source of these comments were not Turkish! As you could read! Or should I say it one more time...

[Composmentis1]

I really read your comments with disbelieve...Sirmione1 posted comments from the DAILY HERALD (London)...I just can't seem to see why the DAILY HERALD wants to write articles full of lies about the GreekCypriots. Also why should Antinois ANGASTINIOTIS your own Greek brother betray his own Greek people and write in disfavour of the Greek people...just face it, the cause of all problems lies in your own Greek hands.

[Composmentis1]

If you would read for once you should have been able to see that i was quoting:The Human Rights Watch/Helsinki: So uum...if anyone could choose between an organisation who's independent and most imporant of all objective in his research and you "djagememnon"...hmmm yeah maybe and maybe they would believe in your fairy tales and they would reject any research from The Human Rights Watch/Helsinki.

Dream on and get a grip on will you...

[ArgeadsRevenge]

Another comedian turk...zuahahahah!

How about you get as all started on turkiy'e human rights record:)))))?

[Composmentis1]

Moreover, ethnic Macedonians are discriminated against by the government's failure to permit the teaching of the macedonian language. And ethnic macedonians, particularly rights activists, are harassed by the government- followed and threatened by the security forces - and subjected to economic and social pressure resulting from this harassment.

[djagamemnon]

Ethnic Macedonians are Greeks and always have been Greeks. The people who live in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Vardarska are Bulgarian Slavs as admitted by your own president.

[Pythonanchietae]

Γιατί τον αφήνεις να κάνει προπαγάνδα;Σβήστα τα μυνήματα του μαλάκα και μπλοκαρε τον.

[Composmentis1]

"Although ethnic Macedonians in Northern Greece make up large minority with their own language and culture, their internationally recognized Human Rights are vigourously denied by the Greek government. Free expression on is restricted; Several Macedonians have been persecuted and convicted for their peaceful expression of their views.

[Composmentis1]

VIOLATION OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE MACEDONIANS IN GREECE

The 80-page human rights violation report on Greece entitled "Denying Ethnic Identity - Macedonians of Greece" was published in May 1994. After visiting Aegean Macedonia, The Human Rights Watch/Helsinki concluded:

[Composmentis1]

The Carnegie Commission composed of members from USA, Germany, Russia, France, Austria, and England, witnessed these Greek atrocities when visited Aegean Macedonia. Their final conclusion was that the Greek army has burned to the ground 170 Macedonian and Turkish villages, with over 17,000 houses.

Since 1913, official Greece has been trying to banish native Macedonian names of villages, towns, cities, rivers, and lakes in Aegean Macedonia.

[Composmentis1]

Between June 23 and 30, many villages in the Drama and Serres districts were burned down.

From June 27 to July 6, all Macedonian quarts in Salonika were set on fire.

[Composmentis1]

The Greek Atrocities in Aegean Macedonia

On June 21, 22, and 23, 1913, the Greek army completely burned to the ground the city of Kukush (today Kilkis), known for its resistance against Hellenism in the XIX century.

Between June 29 and 25, 39 villages in the Kukush area were also burned down.

On June 23 and 24, the city of Serres (today Serrai) was set on fire where 4000 houses perished. In the Serres gymnasium the Greeks murdered about 200 people.

[Composmentis1]

Again propaganda, when does it stop. You should worry more about the Macedonian people in Greece nowadays. Oppressed and excluded, by the Greek. And one thing more, if you post a comment it's normal you give an argument;) which is based on facts or Researsch articles...and not by yellin around'.Demagogues yel, normal people try to accomplish dialogue and talk about facts.

[sirmione1]

Although i made these comments, I still want peace to come on Cyprus. But it's a hard way because propaganda abuses the goodwill of Greek people. And doesn't give the Greek people a transparancy of their history which is more complex then they actually know.

[sirmione1]

And nowadays it's clear again, the referendum over Cyprus shows the truth of Goodwill!! 65 percent of the Turkish-Cypriots were in favour of a state with the Greek-Cypriots,but 65 percent of the Greek-Cypriots didn't want this state. So who is on hand of peace....

[sirmione1]

ENOSIS' fascist cause, killed thousands of innocent Turks, without a reason!!!(before 1974)...Turkey had to liberate the Turkish cypriots from the brutal hands of Greek nationalism. We couldn't just watch the atrocities. We didn't want a cyprus without Greeks, the Greeks wanted a Cyprus without Turks!!!

[sirmione1]

"For me it became a night­mare because all these years I had been convinced that everything we had done was right." -Angastiniotis-

....The Invasion had a cause,we see right now,facts don't lie. Greek nationalism before the invasion was the reason the Turks had to invade to prevent atrocities under Turkish citizens. Turks lived there for almost 600 years together in peace with the Greek cypriots.

[sirmione1]

But the film focuses on three villages on the plain between Nicosia and Famagusta and what hap­pened there when the men of the village were being held in prisoner-of-war camps in Limassol and the Turkish in­vasion was underway.

"The Greek Cypriots of the neighbouring villages, along with army personnel attacked the village. They shot the children, the mothers and the old people left in vil­lages"

[sirmione1]

The film is the culmination of several years of collecting data from archives and from chatting with locals in coffeeshops. It was com­pleted in August this year.

He says he was inspired to make it when he realised there was a gap in the knowl­edge of his generation about the recent history of the is­land - especially regarding the events of 1963 and 64, which he believes are brushed over by Greek Cyp­riot interpretations of his­tory.

[sirmione1]

Angastiniotis' 30-minute film, titled The Voice of Blood, gives a detailed ac­count of how dozens of Turk­ish Cypriot women and children of the three villages were killed and thrown into mass graves by Greek Cypri­ots from neighbouring vil­lages in the period between the two Turkish invasions in 1974. It includes extensive footage and interviews with survivors of the attacks.

[djagamemnon]

The fact is that there is not one shred of physical evanescence for any of these ridiculous claims. The only thing that real facts show is that Turkish Cypriot terrorists who supported the Turkish invasion forces and were attacking Greek Cypriots villages and perpetrating mass atrocities for which Turkey has been found guilty of by the ECHR were killed in self defence by the Greek Cypriots and their bodies buried so they wouldn't spread disease.

[djagamemnon]

The remains which have been dug up are not of women and children, but of men who when recently returned to their families were buried with MILITARY HONOURS proving that they were terrorist fighters. So cut the lies and propaganda. Who was it that invaded Cyprus? The Turks not the Greeks.

[sirmione1]

"Let's face it: truth is truth. As a state you have to be able to face your faults, your mis­takes, your history," Angastiniotis says.

Worse still, he believes there is an unhealthy atti­tude in the country that pre­vents people from airing their views if they are out of line with government policy.

[sirmione1]

When one rakes over the ashes of the past, many similar dreadful stories surface. It is well documented that between the years of 1963 and 1974 thousands of Turkish Cypriots had been killed and wounded, with entire populations of many Turkish Cypriot villages disappearing overnight.

[sirmione1]

"All Turkish Cypriots know what happened in the villages of Aloa (Atlylar),Maratha (Murata?a) and Sandalari (Sandallar). It is the Greek Cypriots who do not. ... The Greek Cypriots of the neighboring villages, along with army personnel, attacked these villages. They shot the children, the mothers and any old people left in the villages.... For me this became a nightmare because all these years I had been convinced that everything we had done was right."

[sirmione1]

In order to create the necessary atmosphere of confidence for a sustainable and peaceful future on the island, it is essential that Greek Cypriot leadership put an end to its campaign of reality distortion and oppressive policies. Greek Cypriot leadership needs to admit past atrocities, take responsibility for them and apologizes to the Turkish Cypriot people. It is only then that the foundation for a sustainable, negotiated settlement can be laid.

[sirmione1]

So far, Angastiniotis' film has only been shown in the Turkish Cypriot north. But he says his target audience is not Turkish Cypriots but Greek Cypriots.

"All Turkish Cypriots know what happened in these villages. It's the Greek Cypriots who don't."

[sirmione1]

In an interview published in Greek Cypriot daily Alithia, a 67-year-old Greek Cypriot named Andreas Dimitriu confessed to being involved in one of the massacres of 1974. Dimitriu is reported to have revealed that, in accordance with an official order, he and a few other volunteers helped the Greek Cypriot police gather Turkish Cypriot men of the village of Ta?kent (Dohni) into a coffee shop.

[sirmione1]

Today I was one of two British correspondents to drive to the village to investigate the mystery. In the dusty village street I found hungry Greek children playing listlessly. From doorways men and women eyed me suspiciously. When I asked where are the Turks, the women averted their gaze. The men shuffled their feet and said "We don't know. They just left."

Peter Moorhead reporting from

the village of Skylloura, Cyprus.

1 January 1964

DAILY HERALD (London)

[sirmione1]

IN A SILENT VILLAGE IN ONE NIGHT OF TERROR 350 MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN VANISHED

"In this village of shame today I found grim evidence of the hatred between Greek and Turk that has bedevilled this beautiful island. A few days ago, 1,000 people lived here, in their solid, stone built homes which hug the coast road to Kyrenia, 13 miles from Nicosia. Then in a night of terror 350 villagers - men, women and children - vanished. They were all Turks.

[sirmione1]

TURKS BRUTALLY MURDERED

"It is nonsense to claim, as the Greeks do, that all casualties were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and three small children of the Turkish head of army medical services - allegedly by a group of forty men, many in army boots and greatcoats."

31 December 1963

DAILY HERALD (London)

[sirmione1]

In view of the fact that Mr. Papadopoulos denies the mass murders, destruction of villages and what Turkish Cypriots suffered as a result of the destruction of the partnership Republic in 1963 in the name of Enosis, (neo-colonization of the Turkish Cypriots by uniting the island with Greece) it is relevant that I should quote some of the news items from the international press of those days:

[sirmione1]

Although I am a person who has been permanently residing on this island for the last forty years, I have begun to discover the other side of the realities on the Island only last year, and every reality I discover leaves a deep scar on my soul.

When you manage to jump over the propaganda wall and realize that half of the truth has been deliberately distorted and hidden from you, suddenly the past becomes a frightening present.

[sirmione1]

WHY AM I DIGGING UP THE PAST?

"....I am repeatedly asked why do I scratch old wounds and not let the past be forgotten. The answer is quite simple: Because the wounds are not old... Had they been so, we wouldn't still have mourning mothers in black garments, weapons, soldiers and barricades around us.

[sirmione1]

Either no incident took place between 1960 and 1974, or nobody wants to discuss the incidents of this period. While researching the developments of the period, I came to the conclusion that the second is the case."

Mr. Antonis Angastiniotis has made public that his book (and the documentary he prepared as a result of his discovery) was not allowed to be circulated in the South. Here is his statement:....

[sirmione1]

"Most of the Greek Cypriot youth know very little about the incidents, which led to the partition of the island. The tragic events of 1974 have been used as a huge camouflage covering the prior events, which initially caused the partition of the Island. It has always annoyed me to see in the history books taught in our schools, that after a lengthy explanation of "the heroic" deeds of EOKA members, a big leap to 1974 is made.

[sirmione1]

ANTINOIS ANGASTINIOTIS ,A REAL HUMAN BEING ,NOT IN DENIAL

Here a statement from a book entitled "Barbarism Against the Turkish Cypriots - The Other Side of the Coin" by Antonis Angastiniotis recently published.

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[chypre77]

i am greek cypriot and its just sad that people from both sides still claim to be the victims. The truth is that we both (gr & turks) played both roles of victims and killers. Using the dead, missing or refugees from both sides just to create impressions is the biggest crime. We should all apologise to each other and respect our dead. After all, we are ALL CYPRIOTS. May they rest in peace, all dead from both sides.

[WolfManTurk]

what can we say Turks are just too powerfull, the largest army in Europe (thats only istanbul) and the second largest army in the NATO after america, you mess with us this is what happens blame makarios!

[HenkHon]

From what i just have read the Greek Cypriots where no "Nice guys" to.

can't place link but read wikipedia(English)

"the entire Turkish Cypriot male population of Tokhni was massacred by Greek Cypriot paramilitaries"

"there are still 1,468 Greek Cypriots and 502 Turkish Cypriots unaccounted for "

simple calculation says effectively there are more Turk Cypriots lost.

18% of the population is Turk 502 lost so (100/18)*502 = 2788,89

[godapollon]

HenkHon, there are "nice" and "bad" people in every single culture, in every country. Now it is not good to generalize. Undeniably, the Greek-Cypriots may have done things as well. .

[godapollon]

cont: But throughout history, the Cypriots have been peacful people. If you go bak in History and look at the time line of the ottoman empire and all the attrocities the turks have carried out, and still up to this day deny it (i.e. the Armenian genocide where 1million people were killed), it is fair to say they are barbarians

[godapollon]

their excuse was to "restore peace". They have been restoring peace for over 30 years now? Look at all the cultural heritage up in N. Cyprus they are trying to wipe out. They show no respect to ancient ruins, our churches, our monuments, and much more. We have not touched mosques in South Cyprus, something which portrays our good character and respect

[HenkHon]

Hmm again a comment not supported with facts, we all remember the atrocities committed by Greek police few weeks ago towards minorities, after your reply i wanted to dig deeper. A simple "Greek minorities" search on bbcDOTcom revealed how respectful Greek people are towards minorities. Please support your comments with a place indication where to find it, like bbcDOTcom or an other site not in favor with both of the parties.

[godapollon]

not supported by facts? wow. Now i can see how narrow minded a brainwashed you are. Haha, lets direct our story and go to the Greek police shouldnt we? You shouldnt even talk about the Greek Police, because you know the turkish police is worse. Look wat they do to kurds every day! Fact? Greece = EU =Civilization.. Not enough? Let me give u another fact. Turkey =NOT EU? WHY? NO human rights lol

[HenkHon]

F**k them both, i did not say turks where better, not at all, all i say is Greek people are no better. And the EU argument stinks, because you can't say Greece is in EU so it respects human rights, if so one might say Romania and Bulgaria are corrupt so the EU is corrupt. Or Poland is Homophobic so hole of EU is homophobic.

[9windy9]

The hand of God brings forth the spirits that have been murdered by the turkish criminal soldiers,1619.

[9windy9]

The judgement of the living and the dead has been, the missing 1619 have been murdered I know because of the unfairness of living within this democratic society, in other words the difficulties given due to the exposure of the political situation with Turkey from Britain protecting the criminal army soldiers that killed them.

[mackyv]

This is message that I hope that is read by all who are interested in debate rather than trading insults. hamitmedia has a one sided misleading video called "History of Cyprus- The Truth.", which it is not. Rather than debate the issues he has blocked me posting points & questions he could not answer. Which is a real shame, so hamitmedia carry on living your lie & spouting your racist propaganda, you very sad example of a Turk, a real let down to your race, country & flag. Enjoy your shame.

[janissari]

they are go to hell

[GeneralLevy100]

only true muslims go to hell.

[GreetingfromGR]

GREAT VIDEO ...THank u

[turkwarrior1]

Well all the Cypriot Greeks were prisioned because they looted, attacked, and killed Turkish Cypriot villagers. The EOKA enosis fascist done worser shit and look, we fought for TRNC fair and square okey so get over it G(ay)reeks cuz we don't want to live peacefully with you fags.

[djagamemnon]

That is a complete and utter lie. The 1919 missing persons include civilian women and children. Not Turkish Cypriots were killed by any Greeks Cypriots unless they were involved in helping the Turkish army commit genocide.

[messymodeler]

i have only one question for you. what would the turks be doing with these missing people? you are blindsided and dumbfounded by your own propaganda. the turks are evil is all you can say. we greeks have done nothing to them. come on. how long can you believe such a thinly veiled lie. stop being driven into hate. open your eyes to the truth. we cannot move on with your head stuck in the sands of propaganda.

[CyprusHot]

what a joke your reply is! you accuse greeks of propaganda as if Turkey doesnt have any!

[caglarakgungor]

It's of course very sad to here about those missing people. However, nobody ever wants to talk about missing people from the turkish community... When killing is done by greeks, it's legitimate. Western world closes his eyes on it. If it's done by turks, it is barbarism etc. Another point which is well known by cypriote greeks: a lot of greeks (basically leftists) are killed by Samson people, which were fascists and considered the coup as an occasion to murder their opponents.

[Bismarcker]

THERE IS NO JUSTICE IN THE WORLD AS LONG AS BIG HYPOCRATS WON'T BECOME REAL FAITFUL.the strategic importance,military ,sales of weapons,oil fields ect,well if you get cought without well prepeared for the Evil,then the Result is unevidable unfortunately. May Jesus Christ bless the innocent victims soles,AMEN

[ihatexerxes]

This is just typical of the Turks ! Shoot and kill unarmed innocent people ! Pure evil and barbarism ! Well done for this video, these families need closure, it's time to let them know what has happened to their loved ones, so that they can all move on.