i agree with motion2005 this was a fantastic tackle and im a welshman saying this :D and in comparison to warburtons tackle atleast palmer held on to lydiate. whereas warburton accidently ? dropped him, still i dont think it was a red card for sam, NO BLOODY WAY
..and i've just realised this is the same referee who sent off Warburton! why didn't he give at least a yellow here if he's so hysterical about spear/dump tackles? what a fucking disgrace Rolland is!
by the way ,break someones neck in this way i bet you he would be looking at a prison sentence because of the intent to injure. warburtons red card is fuss over nothing, it was a good tackle as was palmers its the laws and the game thats going soft. eg bring back rucking that will speed the game up as long as its kept away from the head.
ok rowland rat gave a red card,but take a look at courtney lawes two knee asault on the argentinian prop. not picked up by the linesman or the ref .he was cited and given a two match suspension. if we are taking dangerous tackles i for one would rather be tackled by someones arms and knocked in the air. lawes the knob dived in at speed two knees into someones neck. which was more likely to cause injury. i know which one . warburton sent off 3 match ban, lawes kept on playing 2 match ban?
Strictly following the rules we'd see far more reds (like this tackle). Do you want rugby to turn into football? Sam's tackle shouldn't have been red, slow motion replays show it wasn't intentional - Clerk flew up because he's a small player and he was not put down - Sam slipped. AR should have at least consulted the video ref on this. A yellow for carelessness would've been appropriate. People calling for red, this kind of attitude will inevitably turn the game soft. Is that what you want?
And what sort of a clampdown was there? Steve Walsh gave yellow cards for worse spear tackles than Warburton's. IRB said nothing, did nothing. They are the ones responsible for the whole fiasco. All players and presumably refs saw yellows as being the currency for tackles like that, until AR's decision, but I don't really blame him it's the IRB . If you don't have a plan or sanctions for the consequences of your directives not being followed you'll end up in fiasco.
look at the wording of the law and of course it s a red card. if anything, he drove him into the ground and didn t drop him but that s immaterial according to the ruling. both actions says it s a red. what warburton did seemed (physically) less of a transgression but if you were to apply the law consistently, palmer would have been off as well.
@johnnywebjunk What bollocks. Palmer drove him backwards onto his back, an excellent tackle. Warburton was stupid enough to pick him up, tip him over the horizontal, let go and drop him to the ground. There's a reason why Warburton had a 6 week ban originally and Palmer got pats on the back for his. One was dangerous one wasn't. You Welsh need to stop whinging. It was the same when AW Jones tripped Hartley up at Twickenham not so long ago, that's all you could talk about was the yellow card.
@motion2005@motion2005 look at law 10,4. so for palmer, did he lift him (tackled person) from the ground - check. did he drop or drive that player into the ground - check. did the player's head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground - check (he really could have had red if not for lydiate s arm)
i didn t make up the law. if referees were to apply it consistently according to the wording there d be very very many players sent off. i inderstand why the welsh set-up was peeved.
@johnnywebjunk Palmer didn't drop him! That's the whole point, he tackled him and brought him to ground, it was a great tackle and one that should be applauded. Warburton dropped Clerc and was rightly sent off because it was dangerous.
@motion2005 "brought him to ground"? he s following through on the tackle (= normal) and so he "drives" him to ground which makes it a red - like loads of other tackles in a game would be.
@tdavies456 Fuck off yourself, bitter welshman always blaming the ref when another team dares to beat them. Palmer tackled him and smashed him backwards and brought him to ground without ever letting go. If Clerc is so small why did Warburton feel the need to pick him up, tip him upside down AND DROP HIM! If Warburton hadn't been stupid enough to do the latter and brought him to ground safely, as the laws stipulate, he would never have got the red card he deserved.
@motion2005 Who sounds bitter? You should listen to yourself "..smashed him backwards and brought him to ground without ever letting go", that could easily be interpreted by the IRB rules as driving a player into the ground, and hence a spear tackle = straight red card. Warburton let go because he didn't want to drive him into the ground. Now I don't necessarily agree with those rules but if you're going to be a contrary little numpty then someone has to point out the hypocrisy of your own views
@tdavies456 The laws and IRB directives state that the tackling player has full reponsibility to bring an upended player to ground SAFELY. Dropping him on his neck is not safe, it's dangerous play. Palmer drove Lydiate backwards and brought him to ground in a textbook tackle that should be applauded. Warburton's was NOTHING like it.
@motion2005 lmao off bitter welshman u must be English we had such a good world cup we have nothing to be bitter about.Look at the shambles the RFU is in right now every blaming everyone else and otherts talking about money and rewards lol weslh rugby is so much better than english rugby at the minute.Look at the welsh clubs in europe still havnt lost scarlets going to northampton and winning easily,even the dragons beat perpignan LMAO wait til the 6 nations wales for the grand slam
@droidbait well i watched that game and the saints were poor even jim mallinder siad thats the worst performance whilst hes been coach. and that has alot to do with how well the scarlets played. to be fair it was quite a easy victory.look at wales v australia on saturday. pretty much wales second team conseding 21 points with 14 men and we still only lost by 1 score. couple years ago we would of got hammered not anymore. we are the best n.hemisphere team right now even the french would say so
@ruthio1 saints were poor, granted, and scarlets did deserve the win. but fitzgibbon was poor at reffing for both sides, scarlets benefitting more than saints because they were crap basically. as a saints supporter, i was shocked and horrified about the result. you are right that wales are the best northern hemisphere team, england have gone backwards and the french, well are inconsistant at the best of times
@johnnywebjunk yep good comment, there's so many whining, do-gooders getting involved with this issue telling us Rolland was right to give red etc etc, maybe he was but if one's red they've all got to be red, the reason they aren't is because most refs try to apply common sense in the interest of the game.
@motion2005 The tackle with Palmer I didn't see alot wrong with. To say that Warburton picked him up is absolute bollocks. It was the power behind the tackle that lifted Clerc into the air.
What happened with Warburton was a red card offence. The main gripe I have being a Welshman is that there were worse tackles in the tournament that were only given yellow cards. By backing Rolland the IRB have admitted that several referees have got it wrong and AWJ deserved his yellow card.
@TheAndybeale yes, it s what many people would consider a great tackle but if you want to apply law 10.4, it s a red card. i think that s why rolland s "i was only following orders" rankled so much with the welsh coaches.
@johnnywebjunk let us not forget though, the IRB asked for tip tackles to be clamped down on at the start of RWC11, this was well before then. plus, there is no height in this tackle, and he drives through and lands him on his back, which is classed as safely. Warburton picked him up, twisted him and let go. totally different tackles.
@RichThePirate hi, apply the law as per the wording and many tackles would get a red card. by definition, palmer s is a red card ( "no height" and "feet above the head" that somebody else mentioned mean nothing as the law doesn't define it). palmer certainly lifts him and then there s no distinction between driving or dropping. lydiate lands on his shoulders: that's "upper body". refs cannot apply the present law with no discretion. strict adherence would mean many red cards in any game.
I bet if Palmer carried the ball straight into Lydiate he would get smashed backwards aswell. Lydiate is a machine in defence, just needs to improve his ball carrying and breakdown work in my view.
@fazer990 seriously??? lydiate isn't big at all hes like 15-16 stone ever heard of rocky elsom? or schalk burger? or jerome kaino to name just a few lydiate is smaller than some backs nowadays trust he really isnt that big a 6
@TennisCoachno1 how can you say he isn't big? I've seen him in the flesh and he's absolutely massive. Elsom is 6'6, kaino 6'5, and both lydiate and burger are 6'4. Hardly any difference between them.
@fazer990 well you said he is the biggest 6 you had seen for ages well they are just a few that are taller and weigh more by a stone or two to name but a few. My point is that they're are a lot taller and bigger 6's in the game than dan lydiate
@TennisCoachno1 oh for fuck sake, if you're going to be so pedantic then fine. by me saying biggest i meant 'hench'. he's like a brick wall. But sorry, you're right, I'm wrong.
@TennisCoachno1 Lydiate makes Jamie roberts look like a small child when he is stood next to him, and he has a bigger chest than paul James the welsh loose head.... Both of those players weigh more than lydiate, doesnt mean he isnt bigger than them, just he carries his weight differently. Lydiate is a tackling machine, soooo so strong! He used to train by running up hills carrying sheep when he was an amateur on his parents farm
but nothing came from this tackle...
rhysowenjones 2 months ago
i agree with motion2005 this was a fantastic tackle and im a welshman saying this :D and in comparison to warburtons tackle atleast palmer held on to lydiate. whereas warburton accidently ? dropped him, still i dont think it was a red card for sam, NO BLOODY WAY
PewterBerry 2 months ago 4
@PewterBerry driving him into the ground is viewed more seriously than dropping him in fact
cardigan3000 1 week ago
wasn't a dump tackle you absolute load of pipes
icanavan123 3 months ago
@icanavan123 yes it was you moron
SnaveDela12 2 months ago
Nothing wrong with this takle of Warburtons!!! WE ARE RUGBY PLAYERS!
vernystinger 3 months ago 4
@vernystinger well said!
joedaATHswan4ever 3 months ago 2
..and i've just realised this is the same referee who sent off Warburton! why didn't he give at least a yellow here if he's so hysterical about spear/dump tackles? what a fucking disgrace Rolland is!
tdavies456 3 months ago 2
@tdavies456 the refs were sent a brief on the state of tackles such as this. that's why warburton went. shame.
LunchtimeLoonies 3 months ago
well the tackles are not the same just open your eyes .
for the sake of rugby
palmer did not let him go in mid air where is our sam did .
we lost that game cos of the crap kicking by our kicker and .the last 15 mins we play to much rugby .
were was out no 10 so called world class . did not want a pop at the drop .as he was to far out we were in there 22 for he to give it a pop
lets be honest we lost it .not that france won it as such
Dai
1234daiboy 3 months ago
Lydiates feet were never raised above shoulder level...nothing wrong with it!.
And I'm Welsh! ;)
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cullum13 3 months ago
same hit as sam warburton should be a red card... check who the ref is
twotellys12 4 months ago
by the way ,break someones neck in this way i bet you he would be looking at a prison sentence because of the intent to injure. warburtons red card is fuss over nothing, it was a good tackle as was palmers its the laws and the game thats going soft. eg bring back rucking that will speed the game up as long as its kept away from the head.
lidno13 4 months ago
ok rowland rat gave a red card,but take a look at courtney lawes two knee asault on the argentinian prop. not picked up by the linesman or the ref .he was cited and given a two match suspension. if we are taking dangerous tackles i for one would rather be tackled by someones arms and knocked in the air. lawes the knob dived in at speed two knees into someones neck. which was more likely to cause injury. i know which one . warburton sent off 3 match ban, lawes kept on playing 2 match ban?
lidno13 4 months ago
I'm drunk by the way!
shippay24 4 months ago
That was nothing! Lydiate played on wht is the poin in this clip?
shippay24 4 months ago
Strictly following the rules we'd see far more reds (like this tackle). Do you want rugby to turn into football? Sam's tackle shouldn't have been red, slow motion replays show it wasn't intentional - Clerk flew up because he's a small player and he was not put down - Sam slipped. AR should have at least consulted the video ref on this. A yellow for carelessness would've been appropriate. People calling for red, this kind of attitude will inevitably turn the game soft. Is that what you want?
lufcwls 4 months ago
@lufcwls
Doesn't have to be intentional to be a red. He dropped him. Thats it.
Palmer here at least doesn't let go and tries to ram the guy's backside into the deck not his head. Not a red.
OneBigRetard 4 months ago
@lufcwls
You cannot consult the video ref. You seem to have trouble understanding the rules.
OneBigRetard 4 months ago
And what sort of a clampdown was there? Steve Walsh gave yellow cards for worse spear tackles than Warburton's. IRB said nothing, did nothing. They are the ones responsible for the whole fiasco. All players and presumably refs saw yellows as being the currency for tackles like that, until AR's decision, but I don't really blame him it's the IRB . If you don't have a plan or sanctions for the consequences of your directives not being followed you'll end up in fiasco.
eddieloyden 4 months ago
look at the wording of the law and of course it s a red card. if anything, he drove him into the ground and didn t drop him but that s immaterial according to the ruling. both actions says it s a red. what warburton did seemed (physically) less of a transgression but if you were to apply the law consistently, palmer would have been off as well.
johnnywebjunk 4 months ago
@johnnywebjunk What bollocks. Palmer drove him backwards onto his back, an excellent tackle. Warburton was stupid enough to pick him up, tip him over the horizontal, let go and drop him to the ground. There's a reason why Warburton had a 6 week ban originally and Palmer got pats on the back for his. One was dangerous one wasn't. You Welsh need to stop whinging. It was the same when AW Jones tripped Hartley up at Twickenham not so long ago, that's all you could talk about was the yellow card.
motion2005 4 months ago
@motion2005 @motion2005 look at law 10,4. so for palmer, did he lift him (tackled person) from the ground - check. did he drop or drive that player into the ground - check. did the player's head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground - check (he really could have had red if not for lydiate s arm)
i didn t make up the law. if referees were to apply it consistently according to the wording there d be very very many players sent off. i inderstand why the welsh set-up was peeved.
johnnywebjunk 4 months ago 2
@johnnywebjunk Palmer didn't drop him! That's the whole point, he tackled him and brought him to ground, it was a great tackle and one that should be applauded. Warburton dropped Clerc and was rightly sent off because it was dangerous.
motion2005 4 months ago
@motion2005 "brought him to ground"? he s following through on the tackle (= normal) and so he "drives" him to ground which makes it a red - like loads of other tackles in a game would be.
johnnywebjunk 4 months ago
@motion2005 oh fuck off mate, the two tackles are almost identical, the fact that clerc is a lot smaller and lighter isn't sam warburton's fault
tdavies456 4 months ago
@tdavies456 Fuck off yourself, bitter welshman always blaming the ref when another team dares to beat them. Palmer tackled him and smashed him backwards and brought him to ground without ever letting go. If Clerc is so small why did Warburton feel the need to pick him up, tip him upside down AND DROP HIM! If Warburton hadn't been stupid enough to do the latter and brought him to ground safely, as the laws stipulate, he would never have got the red card he deserved.
motion2005 3 months ago
@motion2005 Ha ha ha keyboard warrior! You sound like a complete tool! You dont even know the rules! What a knob!
afanwizard 3 months ago
@motion2005 Who sounds bitter? You should listen to yourself "..smashed him backwards and brought him to ground without ever letting go", that could easily be interpreted by the IRB rules as driving a player into the ground, and hence a spear tackle = straight red card. Warburton let go because he didn't want to drive him into the ground. Now I don't necessarily agree with those rules but if you're going to be a contrary little numpty then someone has to point out the hypocrisy of your own views
tdavies456 3 months ago
@tdavies456 The laws and IRB directives state that the tackling player has full reponsibility to bring an upended player to ground SAFELY. Dropping him on his neck is not safe, it's dangerous play. Palmer drove Lydiate backwards and brought him to ground in a textbook tackle that should be applauded. Warburton's was NOTHING like it.
motion2005 3 months ago
@motion2005 lmao off bitter welshman u must be English we had such a good world cup we have nothing to be bitter about.Look at the shambles the RFU is in right now every blaming everyone else and otherts talking about money and rewards lol weslh rugby is so much better than english rugby at the minute.Look at the welsh clubs in europe still havnt lost scarlets going to northampton and winning easily,even the dragons beat perpignan LMAO wait til the 6 nations wales for the grand slam
ruthio1 3 months ago
@ruthio1 with regards to scarlets-saints, the scarlets did have a little help from the ref in regards to him being crap
droidbait 2 months ago
@droidbait well i watched that game and the saints were poor even jim mallinder siad thats the worst performance whilst hes been coach. and that has alot to do with how well the scarlets played. to be fair it was quite a easy victory.look at wales v australia on saturday. pretty much wales second team conseding 21 points with 14 men and we still only lost by 1 score. couple years ago we would of got hammered not anymore. we are the best n.hemisphere team right now even the french would say so
ruthio1 2 months ago
@ruthio1 saints were poor, granted, and scarlets did deserve the win. but fitzgibbon was poor at reffing for both sides, scarlets benefitting more than saints because they were crap basically. as a saints supporter, i was shocked and horrified about the result. you are right that wales are the best northern hemisphere team, england have gone backwards and the french, well are inconsistant at the best of times
droidbait 2 months ago
@johnnywebjunk yep good comment, there's so many whining, do-gooders getting involved with this issue telling us Rolland was right to give red etc etc, maybe he was but if one's red they've all got to be red, the reason they aren't is because most refs try to apply common sense in the interest of the game.
tdavies456 3 months ago
@motion2005 The tackle with Palmer I didn't see alot wrong with. To say that Warburton picked him up is absolute bollocks. It was the power behind the tackle that lifted Clerc into the air.
What happened with Warburton was a red card offence. The main gripe I have being a Welshman is that there were worse tackles in the tournament that were only given yellow cards. By backing Rolland the IRB have admitted that several referees have got it wrong and AWJ deserved his yellow card.
Dan78jack 4 months ago
FFS. That's nothing like Warburtons. Palmer drives him back and brings him to ground. Warburton up-ends him and drops him onto his neck.
motion2005 4 months ago
Thats the same as Warburtons.. and its not even a penalty..!!!! I dont care what the rule book says.. Rolland you ruined the World Cup.
JustinRSoles 4 months ago
if Dan hadn't put his arm out the end result of both that and the Warburton takle would have been similar. Rolland is a joke.
huwsparky175303 4 months ago
Where's the red card Rolland?
mjdymond 4 months ago
Thats how you tackle warburton!!!
MILE2k11 4 months ago
What a great and safe tackle.
TheAndybeale 4 months ago
safe or not, according to the law it could have received a red card.
johnnywebjunk 4 months ago
@TheAndybeale yes, it s what many people would consider a great tackle but if you want to apply law 10.4, it s a red card. i think that s why rolland s "i was only following orders" rankled so much with the welsh coaches.
johnnywebjunk 4 months ago
@johnnywebjunk let us not forget though, the IRB asked for tip tackles to be clamped down on at the start of RWC11, this was well before then. plus, there is no height in this tackle, and he drives through and lands him on his back, which is classed as safely. Warburton picked him up, twisted him and let go. totally different tackles.
RichThePirate 4 months ago
@RichThePirate hi, apply the law as per the wording and many tackles would get a red card. by definition, palmer s is a red card ( "no height" and "feet above the head" that somebody else mentioned mean nothing as the law doesn't define it). palmer certainly lifts him and then there s no distinction between driving or dropping. lydiate lands on his shoulders: that's "upper body". refs cannot apply the present law with no discretion. strict adherence would mean many red cards in any game.
johnnywebjunk 4 months ago
@TheAndybeale I agree with you. However, according to the letter of the law it's also a red card offence.
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Hazza32 5 months ago
I bet if Palmer carried the ball straight into Lydiate he would get smashed backwards aswell. Lydiate is a machine in defence, just needs to improve his ball carrying and breakdown work in my view.
JustinRSoles 6 months ago
fuck me, what an absolute machine dumping dan lydiate. lydiate is the biggest 6 i've seen for ages. palmer owned him.
fazer990 9 months ago
@fazer990 seriously??? lydiate isn't big at all hes like 15-16 stone ever heard of rocky elsom? or schalk burger? or jerome kaino to name just a few lydiate is smaller than some backs nowadays trust he really isnt that big a 6
TennisCoachno1 7 months ago
@TennisCoachno1 how can you say he isn't big? I've seen him in the flesh and he's absolutely massive. Elsom is 6'6, kaino 6'5, and both lydiate and burger are 6'4. Hardly any difference between them.
fazer990 7 months ago
@fazer990 well you said he is the biggest 6 you had seen for ages well they are just a few that are taller and weigh more by a stone or two to name but a few. My point is that they're are a lot taller and bigger 6's in the game than dan lydiate
TennisCoachno1 7 months ago
@TennisCoachno1 oh for fuck sake, if you're going to be so pedantic then fine. by me saying biggest i meant 'hench'. he's like a brick wall. But sorry, you're right, I'm wrong.
fazer990 7 months ago
@TennisCoachno1 Lydiate makes Jamie roberts look like a small child when he is stood next to him, and he has a bigger chest than paul James the welsh loose head.... Both of those players weigh more than lydiate, doesnt mean he isnt bigger than them, just he carries his weight differently. Lydiate is a tackling machine, soooo so strong! He used to train by running up hills carrying sheep when he was an amateur on his parents farm
TidyCymru69 4 months ago
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edmundfoster 1 year ago
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