i get what rollins is saying, but i dont think hes being completely honest. he likes the pistols and especially the buzzcocks better than p.i.l. and magazine. i'm basing that on playlists from his "harmony in my head" (note the title) radio show, and his discussions of music that impacted him from other interviews.
fuck conformist bastards! be yourself, dont be the sheep! fuck mainstream trends! through punk into a new look, cause to me it looks like alot of us wear vests boots studs patches and all that shit make you look like you try to hard to be punk
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Rollins: the the pride of straightedge USA's underprivileged hardcore kiddies, and genuine hater of more genuine punk bands than any other homoerectus on the planet.
Rollins is still angry 'cause he never actually made any decent tunes himself; he loves music, but he ain't punk. He is probably even less punk than that perenial corpo-tool Maynard James Keenan.
@skibbz0r Oh yeah, the sort of person who actually LIKES The Pistols, unlike himself, ultimately proving what a vapid, vacuous, insipid, tepid anus-vapour sniffing stiff he really is. Imagine that: he has the audacity to bore us to death fronting Black Flag, already a spent force, and then say "The Pistols are/were boring". Prefer the Ramones, Henry? Why? 'cause they imitated the Stooges like, proper, yeah? Maybe this Tool could get a job pickingrapes on Maynard keenans grape yards?
@sydbarrett5 Oh, come on, read between the lines..., he is totally dissing The Pistols! Rollins is actually quite interesting as an afterthought of the punk revolution. Sought of like afterbirth is good for compost on the veggie patch; virtually useless for anything else, but nonetheless contributes something, a veritable entity, however much his tirades resemble stale, compressed fart gas bouncing around a wino's colon before utterly going to piddle. Good on him for his fullfrontal work on U2
The Pistols where an art-school prank intending to make the most money possible by cashing in on shock and outrage. If you think anything Malcolm Maclaren came within 3 feet of has any sort of credibility: you are the biggest fucking tool on the planet.
@av949 "sad little fuckhead"... I like that, ...,it ALMOST rolls off the tongue.., back to Boys Grammar for you, truant johnny! history, English, probably a bit of woodwork , maybe some cooking classes... adult (?) education never looked so appealing.
@av949 That's better... you're coming around after only a few minutes under my guiding wing, sunshine. Now start by throwing all your Nickleback files in the trash, then you'll feel a lot better. Also, Blink 182 & Linkin Park...That's unacceptable...purge that rubbish too. Sorry, though I won't take you're hairy mingin balls in my mouth, you little manky cnut.
Al ot of the alternative people are the most stuck up snobs ever,and now the left wing political bunch have gone so far left they have come around to the right,ie feminism.
Good point but it's about SY in the 90s when they'd ran out of musical ideas and were living off their reputation (in Europe anyway) as a 'previously innovative' band.
I think the true punk attitude lies in independence.
So, it always strikes me as hypocritical when I see people here on Youtube saying how listening to a certain band makes you punk, or dressing a certain way makes you punk. Since when was conformity punk?
@Yoshiling Kind of the same as when youtube commenters accuse someone of being a poser. It kind of defeats the purpose of "punk" if you are just going to be a douche to someone for the bands they listen to or whatever. I'm wearing blue jeans but I consider myself punk because FUCK YOU I'M GOING TO DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT TO, TRY AND STOP ME MOTHER FUCKER!
@Yoshiling exactly dude,i have been in the punk scen since 25 years now,what piss me the most aboute punk its people dont seem to realize that,people are kind of juste being fucking follower,only a few of us realize that the most 2 important thing to punk is "fuck off" and "i'll do it my fucking way"
"I think true punk attitude lies in independence."
I tried thinking that during high school years. But really nobody among the punk fans would agree so I thought well really it DOES have to do with specific cultural modes of expression (not just an attitude)
@FreakBoi2008 Heh. Granted. Never mind high school and let's say people into punk music typically of teenage and early to mid 20s. Or maybe I could come up w/ various styles of dress and music genres that are antithetical to punk that a truly independently minded weirdo is into and ask if he is punk?
@S2Cents It really depends on your definition of punk to begin with. I tend to work on the theory that, because so many groups consider themselves to be punk, the definition must lie in punk's origins rather than what is generally considered punk. Taking into account the origins of punk, I ask you: What is antithetical to punk? Between the Sex Pistols, The New York Dolls, The Stooges, The Damned and the Velvet Underground, all of whom are considered punk, punk covers so many looks and sounds.
@FreakBoi2008 As such, the clichéd viewpoint regarding guitar solos, long hair, denim, glam imagery etc. being somehow not punk is simply based on a lack of knowledge or understanding of the culture, itself. I've known people who I would totally consider to be punks that made no attempt to follow the stereotype. The groups that look the most like the clichéd punks don't speak for the whole movement, they just look like they probably do.
@FreakBoi2008 There are definitely a lot of posers in any scene. Never mind them - we agree on that. And that doesn't mean there can't be definitive styles of expression- musically, clothes, speech, attitudes, etc. And these things can be ignored by a person who nonetheless embodies the spirit or consciousness intended to be expressed.
Your question: What's antithetical to punk? Nobody would say the Grateful Dead are punk but they had a lot in common w/ VU. Green Day's career?
for the ppl who identify w the stuff Rollins is saying here I recommend "Rip it Up and Start Again" - a book about the post-punk bands, it's really cool
He cracks me up at 0:48 with the "back in my day," old guy voice. I find myself browbeating my younger relatives with the same geezerish spiel, "why when I was your age we had real Hip Hop!"
rollins really mis-represents the hardcore punk scene here. keith morris the original singer of black flag was doing really crazy styles(with the circle jerks as well) and a ton of bands had cool/interesting/abstract fast guitar soloing going on from the crowd, fly boys, the middle class, china white, tsol(and vicious circle), agent orange, the adolescents, etc etc.
rollins just likes to pretend they did it first in 82 when he joined B.F. but it was done from 77-80 as well.
... what they said. Like most things in life, I think the image of punk has been spoiled by a few. Most people look at punk and say 'o its just full of macho idiots who spit on people and beat them up.' Punk should be for everyone. Its a very direct way of getting feelings and messages across. And if it gets mixed up with other genres, great. PUnk has always been against being narrowed minded. Good music doesnt always have to be short and fast (although that is often the best kind of music :P) x
Every genre has the narrow-minded idiots in their fanbases.....for Heavy Metal you have the people that can't get over Metallica and the black album, or for Industrial you have people that don't want anything that goes past 80's Skinny Puppy, or even country fans who can't accept the fact not everyone is a raging, depressed alcoholic such as George Jones.
I love old punk, but nowadays, it looks like the Punk subculture has kinda become the norm they set out to destroy. Anyone get what I'm talkin' about?
@SwampDaddy7 ye i know what you mean, i actually hate punk for that reason (i'm referring to modern day), because it's all a bunch of pretty boys playing shitty-ass generic songs about the same thing.
He is sooo right about the narrow-mindedness of punks. sadly that is what it is like. Nothing rebellious left. Thta's why I am not punk anymore, the people are just dumb.
And he is right about PIL. They are so much better than the Sex Pistols (who are great though).
LOL so true on his definition of fake punk rock fans. A long, long time ago I was jumped at a Fugazi concert by a bunch of punk motherfuckers who were telling me I don't belong here.
Everyone is right in this video. Rollins pointed my pet peeve about the Punk Rock culture. A lot of punkers can be so fucking narrow minded. It's quite annoying. Even though Rollins is talking about the 80s movement. I still can see the narrow mindedness today...and fuck yes for Sonic Youth :-D
Punk rock bands were the ones running around in the beginning yelling "We are not going to be like regular rock stars, we want to be harder, meaner, faster" So by saying that and writing breakneck songs under a minute, all they did was paint themselves into a corner, and when they started expanding their song lengths and adding guitar solos, the fans were fully justified in backlashing at them. because the direction in question was the exact same thing they lauded against.
@JosephKuby that's exactly who it reminds you of. And even though I love Metallica, they deserved every bit of crap they got for not playing Creeping Death 100% of the time.
@JoshRA, the funny thing about Metallica is that they contradicted themselves ("We don't do videos", etc.).
They prided themselves on playing fast and heavy to the point of criticizing other bands so when they did ballads or songs with slower tempos, it came off as a pot calling the kettle black.
Photographer Ross Halfin was right in saying that Metallica became what they hated - rock stars (check out the documentary Some Kind of Monster where they were perceived as a contemporary Spinal Tap).
@UFCfanboy7898 Yeah, there is a lot of narrow minded animosity there. Apparently I'm a dickhead because I like Megadeth AND Metallica and because I like Metallica after 80's music as well.
Bollocks. I assume your just talking about the Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer people. Which are the three most mainstream and popular thrash bands. I'd hardly call people who just like these three bands Thrash metal fans. Thrash metal goes a lot fuckin deper than these three.
@Estragon17 You're damn right ! For me, Punk is about self -honesty and D.I.Y, and F*** the code ! Putting a barrier between "what's punk and what's not" is playing Big Brother's game. Punk is by essence what someone think it is ! From Suicide to Crass, they all proved that punk has no boundaries !
@crackrocksteadyman man i wish he could come to my town and talk to those annoying crust punks who hang out at the skate park..ALLLLL THE EFFING TIME! haha
@crackrocksteadyman this aint the punk rock scene. this is the gay sharps skinhead scene of homosexuality.
if you wanna see punk/hardcore in l.a. it's the complete opposite of this. lots of actual fighting and beating the shit out of people. not this homo shit in the vid.
Fuckin homophobic piece of shit. You think "fighting and beating the shit out of people" is something cool and desirable? Well, fuck you. That Agnostic Front footage in this video is as punkrock as it could get (Oh yes, I think SHARPs are pretty punkrock, more punkrock than most Punks). It is about unity. Homoerotic like Rollins says? Yes, maybe. But is it a bad thing? Definitely no.
@DementedElvis bitch you sound like some plastic pussy, exactly what i'm talkin about.
if you don't think the hardcore scene was about beating people up than you're a fucking poser who doesn't know the roots of hardcore.
evidence
trakmarx . com/2007_02/16_sun_f . html
sharps are nothing but poser fags that would get fucking housed at any show in los angeles because no one down here puts up with those cock polishers.
Perhaps that kinda shit's different over here in Europe. We never were into beating shit up. There's more or less a unity between punks/hardcore kids/skins/psychobillys/rockabillys and whatever. I am none of those anymore. But every now and then, I go to a "scene-concert".
I didn't really want to discuss about the scene (since you seem to have more experience), but your homophobic statements just pissed me off.
@DementedElvis you europeans are just posers leaching off of our scene. A ton of bands like black flag, the middle class, circle jerks, the dickies, vicious circle, adolescents, fear, d.i. etc. has had songs ripping on homos. you need to lighten the fuck up and learn that hardcore isn't about being pc and all this stupid shit you n00bs promote.
So is that what you are saying: "FUCK YEAH! AMERICA!" (?!) Oh and yeah, punkrock was totally invented by Americans...
If you tell me, your and your fellow Americans' understanding of the "scene" is being homophobic, hating on minorities, beating the helpless, then no, I am not a part of it and don't wanna be a part of it. You can have it, it's all yours.
@DementedElvis good then stop listening to those bands loser. because all of them have had music like that before. and punk was invented in america, in new york. you euro-fags just leech as usual.
I cannot believe that you seriously think that punk was invented in America. See, that's what Rollins is talking about. You are that narrow-minded to think that the whole "punk-thing" is actually invented in one and the same place.
@crackrocksteadyman Odd, I've always thought punks were open minded. I'm a metalhead (although I love punk) and it seems that many other metalheads are narrow minded assholes and way more ignorant than punks. I guess it just kinda makes punks seem way more open minded by comparison.
@crackrocksteadyman you should come to my town haha..there's some crust punk that hangs out at the skate park..he dresses in ripped clothes, complains about the "government", and drinks all the time..what he doesn't want you to know is that him and his parents are middle-class..and they live in the suburbs
(-ish), the pistols seemed, as raw as their sound was, to be punk POP. The man own anarchists...that is funny...In a sad,sad way...not the punks...society...
So in 1998 the Gap Trend was due to rebellion? Boy, these sensible plain purple t-shirts, capri pants, and this swing music in the background really STICKS it to the man, man.
I don't necessarily mean rebellion as in "sticking it to the man," but just setting oneself apart from the rest. And then everyone else catches on and nobody's setting themselves apart from anything.
Political-type ideas and movements, however, are a special case, and punk is one of these. It often starts out as rebellious, anti-authoritarian, and somewhat anarchistic, all to get away from some sort of oppression. But then these very movements start seeing the means as the end, and impose...
...new oppressive rules and conventions, thus defeating the whole purpose of why the movement arose in the first place. That's what I mean. I have never seen a political or ideological movement which didn't end up becoming completely hypocritical. Cue Henry Rollins.
I'd agree. Most revolutionaries agree that once a revolution happens, only constant revolution can keep the movement "pure" which I tender, is a fool's errand. Well played, sir.
New Atheism, Secular Humanism etc. The Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens et al inspired camps. So often they become as aggressive, tribalistic and authoritarian as the religions they protest.
I know atheism in general is not new, but there is a recent and somewhat prominent movement of atheism often dubbed "New Atheism," and it was heavily inspired by Dawkins et al.
No it isn't but defenders of theism never get tired of repeating it as if repeating it often enough will make it true. When Dawkins starts issuing fatwas or launching atheist inquisitions we'll talk.
Thanks for proving my point. No you haven't "launched an inquisition," but you certainly got defensive in a way you wouldn't have if we were discussing anything else.
Whoa ... Rollins said something nice about Lydon (PiL being "infinitely more interesting than the Sex Pistols." ) PiL was.
Nice to see Hank give props to one of my favorite groups. I've always love Rollins and PiL, but felt lie they were the two friends one cannot bring together in the same room.
As long as the music is good and the spirit is there then thats all that matters. I'm a metal fan first and foremost, but I love punk too, and to me that means everything from Ramones and Sex Pistols through Discharge and GBH, to P.I.L and Sonic Youth. People should be free to dress and sound how they wish as long as they respect other peoples right to do the same. It doesnt matter if you wear a leather jacket, or a suit or anything else, just do what you love and show respect.
in my opinion, punk rock music never died it has just morphed over the years. It goes way deeper than any sound or image or style, its all about attitude towards music, art, and life.
i get called poser because i go to shows and i don't "fit" their definition of being a "punk". Punk is what you make it and what you want it to be. it's not about having a studded leather jacket, tight cheetah pants, and a red mohawk. It's about expressing yourself.
does anyone know what sonic youth song that is? it's badass!
nicklaurich 4 days ago
what is the name of this documentary?
side1981 1 week ago
sex pistols vs. PIL....c'mon.....who gives a fuck?
sooper2dooper3 2 weeks ago
Hell yeah! Sonic Youth!
chuckhodi 2 weeks ago
i get what rollins is saying, but i dont think hes being completely honest. he likes the pistols and especially the buzzcocks better than p.i.l. and magazine. i'm basing that on playlists from his "harmony in my head" (note the title) radio show, and his discussions of music that impacted him from other interviews.
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Who's the coolest band?
Who's got the best hair?
Who's the most punk rock?
can you tell me who really cares?
I heard so and so's a poser
I heard so and so's a hypocrite
I've never done anything in my whole life
but I sure do talk alot of shit
Twistednerver 1 month ago
That band put out their own record
I think that's so fucking cool
Even though their songs are sexest
They're DIY so I guess they change the world
I got into punk rock
So I could say fuck all the rules
So long as I do what all the T-shirts say
then everyone will know I am cool
Twistednerver 1 month ago 2
He's got a mohawk
He's got a pierced cock
His head goes talk talk talk talk talk talk
She's got a mohawk
They travel in flocks
Her head goes talk...
The only thing that matters if your in a band
can you successfully divert the next generation
from accepting white racism
Twistednerver 1 month ago
The only thing that matters if your in a band
can you successfully divert the next generation
from accepting mesongeny and male domination
The only thing that matters if your in a band
can you successfully divert the next generation
The only thing that matters if your in a band
can you successfully divert the next generation
from accepting homophobia and heterosexism
The only thing that matters if your in a band
Twistednerver 1 month ago
can you successfully divert the next generation
from believing that their first priority is their occupation
The only thing that matters if your in a band
can you successfully divert the next generation
from believing the lie of a middle class is falling for unintentional division
The only thing that matters if your in a band
can you successfully divert the next generation
from believing the lie that the earth's rightful role is under human subjugation
Twistednerver 1 month ago
fuck conformist bastards! be yourself, dont be the sheep! fuck mainstream trends! through punk into a new look, cause to me it looks like alot of us wear vests boots studs patches and all that shit make you look like you try to hard to be punk
marcosthrashcastillo 1 month ago
The documentry is called Punk:Attitude
massriff86 2 months ago
Does anyone know what this movie/documentary is called? I would love to watch it!
inalavalamp 2 months ago
0:29 there is a guy w/ a black tank top but his head seems to be a penis?
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An actual STARGATE/PORTAL-THING was caught on film in New Mexico. The footage can be found within the short-film entitled "SUDDEN PORTHOLE", which is parked at the PROJECT CAMELOT YouTube page (it's under the George Noory video).
I'm not selling anything…I'm just trying to spread the word about the unseen-dimensions we find ourselves embedded in.
My BLOG contains peripheral data regarding the movie and is where I reply to the "debunkers" (use search words "SAM ZURICK" & "BLOG"). THANKS!!
peopledick 2 months ago
what sonic youth song was that?
formusicplaylist1 2 months ago
@formusicplaylist1 drunken butterfly & sugar kane both on the album "dirty" :D
TheTurkey79 2 months ago
Rollins: the the pride of straightedge USA's underprivileged hardcore kiddies, and genuine hater of more genuine punk bands than any other homoerectus on the planet.
blacknganga 2 months ago
"fellas. stop fighting. get a room."
xD. lolololol
kermicheo 4 months ago
1:30 - whos that?
partikc 4 months ago
Rollins is still angry 'cause he never actually made any decent tunes himself; he loves music, but he ain't punk. He is probably even less punk than that perenial corpo-tool Maynard James Keenan.
blacknganga 4 months ago
@blacknganga wow you are exactly the kind of person he is talking about in this video. lmfao
skibbz0r 4 months ago
@skibbz0r Oh yeah, the sort of person who actually LIKES The Pistols, unlike himself, ultimately proving what a vapid, vacuous, insipid, tepid anus-vapour sniffing stiff he really is. Imagine that: he has the audacity to bore us to death fronting Black Flag, already a spent force, and then say "The Pistols are/were boring". Prefer the Ramones, Henry? Why? 'cause they imitated the Stooges like, proper, yeah? Maybe this Tool could get a job pickingrapes on Maynard keenans grape yards?
blacknganga 4 months ago
@blacknganga I don't think he actually said the Pistols were boring, he said that Public Image Limited was infinitely more interesting.
sydbarrett5 2 months ago
@sydbarrett5 Oh, come on, read between the lines..., he is totally dissing The Pistols! Rollins is actually quite interesting as an afterthought of the punk revolution. Sought of like afterbirth is good for compost on the veggie patch; virtually useless for anything else, but nonetheless contributes something, a veritable entity, however much his tirades resemble stale, compressed fart gas bouncing around a wino's colon before utterly going to piddle. Good on him for his fullfrontal work on U2
blacknganga 2 months ago
@blacknganga
The Pistols where an art-school prank intending to make the most money possible by cashing in on shock and outrage. If you think anything Malcolm Maclaren came within 3 feet of has any sort of credibility: you are the biggest fucking tool on the planet.
av949 2 months ago
@av949 av949 is a kronic knobber, not quite expelled from a private school for pure swankery.
blacknganga 2 months ago
@blacknganga
blacknganga is a sad little fuckhead who tries to hard to be cool on the Internet.
Also, Sex Pistols fan.
av949 2 months ago
@av949 "sad little fuckhead"... I like that, ...,it ALMOST rolls off the tongue.., back to Boys Grammar for you, truant johnny! history, English, probably a bit of woodwork , maybe some cooking classes... adult (?) education never looked so appealing.
blacknganga 2 months ago
@blacknganga
How about you roll these nuts off your tongue? All the woodwork you'll ever need, you fucking has-been.
av949 2 months ago
@av949 That's better... you're coming around after only a few minutes under my guiding wing, sunshine. Now start by throwing all your Nickleback files in the trash, then you'll feel a lot better. Also, Blink 182 & Linkin Park...That's unacceptable...purge that rubbish too. Sorry, though I won't take you're hairy mingin balls in my mouth, you little manky cnut.
blacknganga 2 months ago
@blacknganga
Cool story, bro.
av949 2 months ago
@blacknganga I bet your punk as shit
Fliko 2 months ago
@Fliko No, but I shat funk in a pit.
blacknganga 2 months ago
I wasn't familiar with public image until checking them out after this video, but magazine's Real Life is a very progressive post-punk album
Dilliboy63 4 months ago
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henry Rollins is the biggest sell out of them all.
The3rdBaboon 5 months ago
@The3rdBaboon He's just outspoken man..look how succesful he is. Being a sellout is being succesful now?
ThatTastyJuiceBox 5 months ago 13
Henry is right lol...
MetalLabStudios 5 months ago
i hate that 3 days grace bullshit etc ~thrash till i fuckin die!~
steveboy213 6 months ago 2
Al ot of the alternative people are the most stuck up snobs ever,and now the left wing political bunch have gone so far left they have come around to the right,ie feminism.
gaelgeseomra 6 months ago
Does for the history of punk rock what PiL did for the Sex Pistols.
Lieu3C4 6 months ago
Good point but it's about SY in the 90s when they'd ran out of musical ideas and were living off their reputation (in Europe anyway) as a 'previously innovative' band.
groinhat 7 months ago
I think the true punk attitude lies in independence.
So, it always strikes me as hypocritical when I see people here on Youtube saying how listening to a certain band makes you punk, or dressing a certain way makes you punk. Since when was conformity punk?
Yoshiling 7 months ago 69
@Yoshiling You couldnt of said it better
SKRIBBLE4ME 4 months ago
@Yoshiling Kind of the same as when youtube commenters accuse someone of being a poser. It kind of defeats the purpose of "punk" if you are just going to be a douche to someone for the bands they listen to or whatever. I'm wearing blue jeans but I consider myself punk because FUCK YOU I'M GOING TO DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT TO, TRY AND STOP ME MOTHER FUCKER!
kc0tma 4 months ago
@Yoshiling exactly dude,i have been in the punk scen since 25 years now,what piss me the most aboute punk its people dont seem to realize that,people are kind of juste being fucking follower,only a few of us realize that the most 2 important thing to punk is "fuck off" and "i'll do it my fucking way"
satan666691 3 weeks ago 3
@satan666691 25 years? Hell yah, man!
Yoshiling 2 weeks ago
@Yoshiling ya so true man
KustomTunning 2 weeks ago
@KustomTunning Cool. Thanks, man.
Yoshiling 2 weeks ago
"I think true punk attitude lies in independence."
I tried thinking that during high school years. But really nobody among the punk fans would agree so I thought well really it DOES have to do with specific cultural modes of expression (not just an attitude)
S2Cents 1 week ago
@S2Cents You know the problem there, right? Independence and high school are mutually exclusive.
FreakBoi2008 1 day ago
@FreakBoi2008 Heh. Granted. Never mind high school and let's say people into punk music typically of teenage and early to mid 20s. Or maybe I could come up w/ various styles of dress and music genres that are antithetical to punk that a truly independently minded weirdo is into and ask if he is punk?
S2Cents 1 day ago
@S2Cents It really depends on your definition of punk to begin with. I tend to work on the theory that, because so many groups consider themselves to be punk, the definition must lie in punk's origins rather than what is generally considered punk. Taking into account the origins of punk, I ask you: What is antithetical to punk? Between the Sex Pistols, The New York Dolls, The Stooges, The Damned and the Velvet Underground, all of whom are considered punk, punk covers so many looks and sounds.
FreakBoi2008 1 day ago
@FreakBoi2008 As such, the clichéd viewpoint regarding guitar solos, long hair, denim, glam imagery etc. being somehow not punk is simply based on a lack of knowledge or understanding of the culture, itself. I've known people who I would totally consider to be punks that made no attempt to follow the stereotype. The groups that look the most like the clichéd punks don't speak for the whole movement, they just look like they probably do.
FreakBoi2008 1 day ago
@FreakBoi2008 There are definitely a lot of posers in any scene. Never mind them - we agree on that. And that doesn't mean there can't be definitive styles of expression- musically, clothes, speech, attitudes, etc. And these things can be ignored by a person who nonetheless embodies the spirit or consciousness intended to be expressed.
Your question: What's antithetical to punk? Nobody would say the Grateful Dead are punk but they had a lot in common w/ VU. Green Day's career?
S2Cents 1 day ago
for the ppl who identify w the stuff Rollins is saying here I recommend "Rip it Up and Start Again" - a book about the post-punk bands, it's really cool
andrehendrik 7 months ago
@sprites1 homophobe
aw4391 7 months ago
bomb the music industry! :)
beto6067 8 months ago
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punk is gay
spites1 8 months ago
@spites1 then dont watch this video idiot
TheIllegalKind 7 months ago
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rollins homo jock worst in black flag
oiyabastard 9 months ago
He cracks me up at 0:48 with the "back in my day," old guy voice. I find myself browbeating my younger relatives with the same geezerish spiel, "why when I was your age we had real Hip Hop!"
MrShakbo 9 months ago 2
rollins really mis-represents the hardcore punk scene here. keith morris the original singer of black flag was doing really crazy styles(with the circle jerks as well) and a ton of bands had cool/interesting/abstract fast guitar soloing going on from the crowd, fly boys, the middle class, china white, tsol(and vicious circle), agent orange, the adolescents, etc etc.
rollins just likes to pretend they did it first in 82 when he joined B.F. but it was done from 77-80 as well.
TheNewMusicNetwork 9 months ago
punk = gay :D
heferw 10 months ago
@heferw You don't know alot of punk bands then, do you?
MillionsOfDeadCops5 4 months ago
Fuck yea Sonic Youth!
manhuntruler2 10 months ago
what is the name of the sonic youth song at 2:34
helltomcatf14 10 months ago
@helltomcatf14 Sugar Kane, from the album Dirty
romeosdistress 10 months ago
thurston moore went to my high school!
artie0001 11 months ago
DADA ! Lovely path of research! Art movement born in the trenches of the Great War, ...
Theanchoritegarlic 11 months ago
... what they said. Like most things in life, I think the image of punk has been spoiled by a few. Most people look at punk and say 'o its just full of macho idiots who spit on people and beat them up.' Punk should be for everyone. Its a very direct way of getting feelings and messages across. And if it gets mixed up with other genres, great. PUnk has always been against being narrowed minded. Good music doesnt always have to be short and fast (although that is often the best kind of music :P) x
KurtMcGowan 11 months ago
Every genre has the narrow-minded idiots in their fanbases.....for Heavy Metal you have the people that can't get over Metallica and the black album, or for Industrial you have people that don't want anything that goes past 80's Skinny Puppy, or even country fans who can't accept the fact not everyone is a raging, depressed alcoholic such as George Jones.
generalfuckpants 1 year ago
Refused. That is all
BunionMann 1 year ago
Look like an interesting doc.
IamNowJMAN 1 year ago
this guys a fucking joke,he's about as angry and sincere as punk culture is.
gorkysire 1 year ago
@gorkysire
You're about as honest as Dick Cheney.
mrfudgeyhead 1 year ago
@mrfudgeyhead I take that as a compliment. Dick Cheney was every mans hero.
gorkysire 1 year ago
@gorkysire you have the dumbest shit favourited, what would you know ???
gsh73la 1 year ago
1:27 Which band is it?
music4fools 1 year ago
@music4fools
That's Magazine man.
mrfudgeyhead 1 year ago
"i mean, for at least two years, NO ONE came to their fucking concerts" =)
iwannabeyourdog1969 1 year ago
"Back in my day we would've blown that up!" - 'Shut up you old man!' "Oookaay.."
keke12345678 1 year ago 6
can anyone one tell me what the name of the song is at 1:03 ?????? thanks i would really appreciate it
VelvetRevolverMother 1 year ago
@VelvetRevolverMother Public Image Ltd. john lydon post-sex pistols
jorgbaits 1 year ago
haha "whats that free bird?"
SkudKid111 1 year ago 11
"Come on! give us a little room!-NO!"
I laughed so hard
That's so true, even today. I hate that shit
superdude593 1 year ago 6
If Metallica could get in a time machine and go back to 87, they would kick their own asses. fuck metallica.
ida7535 1 year ago 2
7 billion points to henry for his idea about PiL
ParAvionMusic 1 year ago 5
Yep, like the points, but I still think Sonic Youth is shite.
Wanderlustus 1 year ago
@Wanderlustus I agree. They bore the living shit out of me.
CelestialWoodway 1 year ago
what was the song sonic youth was playing?
Lucky09366 1 year ago
@Lucky09366 drunken butterfly
atr4ever 1 year ago
rollins didn't even join blag flag until 82.
before then, there was real hardcore punk like, TSOL, circle jerks, Adolescents, agent orange, pre D.I. stuff etc.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
Roger Miret! 0:55 haha!
akaA3e 1 year ago
documentary on punk culture directed by Don Letts
denizcola7 1 year ago 2
@denizcola7 sir, please, what is the name of this documentary?
vyversneeze 10 months ago
What was the title/name of this show? This isn't the rollins show on IFC is it? Some kind of IFC special on punk or what? Would love to know
OSBishop 1 year ago
I love old punk, but nowadays, it looks like the Punk subculture has kinda become the norm they set out to destroy. Anyone get what I'm talkin' about?
SwampDaddy7 1 year ago
@SwampDaddy7 ye i know what you mean, i actually hate punk for that reason (i'm referring to modern day), because it's all a bunch of pretty boys playing shitty-ass generic songs about the same thing.
tbh that's pop punk.
Gallows are a good band (hardcore punk) nowadays
crazyedd123 1 year ago
@crazyedd123 The Gallows are awesome, it's just the radio punk is what really disgusts me. The Pop Punk stuff.
SwampDaddy7 1 year ago
@SwampDaddy7 i just feel like i'm 'LOST IN STEREO! LOST IN STEREO'
i went there >_<
crazyedd123 1 year ago
@crazyedd123 At least you don't share the same area as them (apparently they're from Baltimore . . . I'm 20-odd miles from there)
SwampDaddy7 1 year ago
@crazyedd123 not comparable too formulaic derivative or maybe one has just heard so many that sound the same
gsh73la 1 year ago
son of a bitch i love ifc
oioioijellyroll 1 year ago
Where is this video taken from? I would watch this Doc if I knew the name of it!
sku22man 1 year ago
@sku22man
this has been taken from a documentary directed by don letts called "punk: attitude".
lettieconca 1 year ago 12
He is sooo right about the narrow-mindedness of punks. sadly that is what it is like. Nothing rebellious left. Thta's why I am not punk anymore, the people are just dumb.
And he is right about PIL. They are so much better than the Sex Pistols (who are great though).
MiffiMuffin 1 year ago 6
@MiffiMuffin listen to Gallows and you may change your mind
jimbo222000 1 year ago
Another reason to love Rollins.
johnAttic 1 year ago
LOL so true on his definition of fake punk rock fans. A long, long time ago I was jumped at a Fugazi concert by a bunch of punk motherfuckers who were telling me I don't belong here.
Dilaltastic 1 year ago 4
@Dilaltastic
gaah..that blows to hear
ratcunt999 1 year ago
What's that song at 2:08 by sonic youth?
johnmoser01 1 year ago
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In a youth oriented society...what is the relevance of rebellion?
JayGOS117 1 year ago
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Henry Rollins is so phony.
lukealpha 1 year ago
no u
Capz541 1 year ago
What's the name of this documentary?
ScionSisters 2 years ago
it's called "punk:attitude"
hellcatfan 1 year ago
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Everyone is right in this video. Rollins pointed my pet peeve about the Punk Rock culture. A lot of punkers can be so fucking narrow minded. It's quite annoying. Even though Rollins is talking about the 80s movement. I still can see the narrow mindedness today...and fuck yes for Sonic Youth :-D
crackrocksteadyman 2 years ago 92
Punk rock bands were the ones running around in the beginning yelling "We are not going to be like regular rock stars, we want to be harder, meaner, faster" So by saying that and writing breakneck songs under a minute, all they did was paint themselves into a corner, and when they started expanding their song lengths and adding guitar solos, the fans were fully justified in backlashing at them. because the direction in question was the exact same thing they lauded against.
JoshRA 1 year ago
@JoshRA, that reminds me of how Metallica acted during their Kill 'em All days.
JosephKuby 1 year ago
@JosephKuby that's exactly who it reminds you of. And even though I love Metallica, they deserved every bit of crap they got for not playing Creeping Death 100% of the time.
JoshRA 1 year ago
@JoshRA, the funny thing about Metallica is that they contradicted themselves ("We don't do videos", etc.).
They prided themselves on playing fast and heavy to the point of criticizing other bands so when they did ballads or songs with slower tempos, it came off as a pot calling the kettle black.
Photographer Ross Halfin was right in saying that Metallica became what they hated - rock stars (check out the documentary Some Kind of Monster where they were perceived as a contemporary Spinal Tap).
JosephKuby 1 year ago
@crackrocksteadyman Thank god i thought i was the only one who agreed!
birdy47 1 year ago
@crackrocksteadyman you wanna talk narrow minded?...how about the thrash metal fans? XD
UFCfanboy7898 1 year ago
@UFCfanboy7898 Yeah, there is a lot of narrow minded animosity there. Apparently I'm a dickhead because I like Megadeth AND Metallica and because I like Metallica after 80's music as well.
TomoeNageX 1 year ago
@TomoeNageX whoever said that to you is a freakin dumbass then. It's heavy metal. There shouldnt be any rules
fritosofdoritos 1 year ago
@UFCfanboy7898
Bollocks. I assume your just talking about the Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer people. Which are the three most mainstream and popular thrash bands. I'd hardly call people who just like these three bands Thrash metal fans. Thrash metal goes a lot fuckin deper than these three.
ChainsawVsGod 1 year ago
@crackrocksteadyman
Sadly for some being punk is just a hairstyle and a cliche looking patch and spike covered jacket.
Estragon17 10 months ago
@Estragon17 You're damn right ! For me, Punk is about self -honesty and D.I.Y, and F*** the code ! Putting a barrier between "what's punk and what's not" is playing Big Brother's game. Punk is by essence what someone think it is ! From Suicide to Crass, they all proved that punk has no boundaries !
livelaboiteaidees 10 months ago
@crackrocksteadyman man i wish he could come to my town and talk to those annoying crust punks who hang out at the skate park..ALLLLL THE EFFING TIME! haha
reb2550 10 months ago
@crackrocksteadyman this aint the punk rock scene. this is the gay sharps skinhead scene of homosexuality.
if you wanna see punk/hardcore in l.a. it's the complete opposite of this. lots of actual fighting and beating the shit out of people. not this homo shit in the vid.
TheNewMusicNetwork 9 months ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork
Fuckin homophobic piece of shit. You think "fighting and beating the shit out of people" is something cool and desirable? Well, fuck you. That Agnostic Front footage in this video is as punkrock as it could get (Oh yes, I think SHARPs are pretty punkrock, more punkrock than most Punks). It is about unity. Homoerotic like Rollins says? Yes, maybe. But is it a bad thing? Definitely no.
DementedElvis 9 months ago
@DementedElvis bitch you sound like some plastic pussy, exactly what i'm talkin about.
if you don't think the hardcore scene was about beating people up than you're a fucking poser who doesn't know the roots of hardcore.
evidence
trakmarx . com/2007_02/16_sun_f . html
sharps are nothing but poser fags that would get fucking housed at any show in los angeles because no one down here puts up with those cock polishers.
TheNewMusicNetwork 9 months ago
ahh i see you're 22, nevermind. i'm talking to some loser who was just daddys little squirt waiting to come out back then. hahaha
TheNewMusicNetwork 9 months ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork
Perhaps that kinda shit's different over here in Europe. We never were into beating shit up. There's more or less a unity between punks/hardcore kids/skins/psychobillys/rockabillys and whatever. I am none of those anymore. But every now and then, I go to a "scene-concert".
I didn't really want to discuss about the scene (since you seem to have more experience), but your homophobic statements just pissed me off.
And SHARPs over here are quite okay.
DementedElvis 9 months ago
@DementedElvis you europeans are just posers leaching off of our scene. A ton of bands like black flag, the middle class, circle jerks, the dickies, vicious circle, adolescents, fear, d.i. etc. has had songs ripping on homos. you need to lighten the fuck up and learn that hardcore isn't about being pc and all this stupid shit you n00bs promote.
TheNewMusicNetwork 9 months ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork
So is that what you are saying: "FUCK YEAH! AMERICA!" (?!) Oh and yeah, punkrock was totally invented by Americans...
If you tell me, your and your fellow Americans' understanding of the "scene" is being homophobic, hating on minorities, beating the helpless, then no, I am not a part of it and don't wanna be a part of it. You can have it, it's all yours.
DementedElvis 9 months ago
@DementedElvis good then stop listening to those bands loser. because all of them have had music like that before. and punk was invented in america, in new york. you euro-fags just leech as usual.
TheNewMusicNetwork 9 months ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork
I cannot believe that you seriously think that punk was invented in America. See, that's what Rollins is talking about. You are that narrow-minded to think that the whole "punk-thing" is actually invented in one and the same place.
DementedElvis 9 months ago
@DementedElvis You have a valid point. Although, British Punk still sucks compared to American Punk i.e. Black Flag/Circle Jerks/Germs
eliasandrew1318 9 months ago
@crackrocksteadyman Odd, I've always thought punks were open minded. I'm a metalhead (although I love punk) and it seems that many other metalheads are narrow minded assholes and way more ignorant than punks. I guess it just kinda makes punks seem way more open minded by comparison.
Lacerationizer 9 months ago
@crackrocksteadyman you should come to my town haha..there's some crust punk that hangs out at the skate park..he dresses in ripped clothes, complains about the "government", and drinks all the time..what he doesn't want you to know is that him and his parents are middle-class..and they live in the suburbs
reb2550 9 months ago
i love how theres always that one fat dude in the pit that has to take his shirt of so you can feel what ist like to pet a deep fried shamu
darkstarwood 2 years ago 67
@darkstarwood
Oh, god! Oh christ! I lol'd hard at this.
Thanks for that! :D
TheSidewalkCipher 1 year ago
hahahah Rollins is badass " old people like me are saying erraaaa back in my my day we would have blown that up" hahahahahah
midgety1 2 years ago 7
sorry, but fuck sex pistols
StraightJacketHC 2 years ago 8
I like the Sex Pistols. But PiL is a million times better. But still, Johnny Rotten is such an arrogant prick.
crackrocksteadyman 2 years ago 6
@crackrocksteadyman PiL was REAL
(-ish), the pistols seemed, as raw as their sound was, to be punk POP. The man own anarchists...that is funny...In a sad,sad way...not the punks...society...
JayGOS117 1 year ago
Get a room...haha! Classic.
voivodian09 2 years ago 5
All trends begin as rebellion. You see this with, like, anything. A prominent recent example is this New Atheism thing.
TheIllestVillain 2 years ago 3
So in 1998 the Gap Trend was due to rebellion? Boy, these sensible plain purple t-shirts, capri pants, and this swing music in the background really STICKS it to the man, man.
schwabbamoose 2 years ago
I don't necessarily mean rebellion as in "sticking it to the man," but just setting oneself apart from the rest. And then everyone else catches on and nobody's setting themselves apart from anything.
Political-type ideas and movements, however, are a special case, and punk is one of these. It often starts out as rebellious, anti-authoritarian, and somewhat anarchistic, all to get away from some sort of oppression. But then these very movements start seeing the means as the end, and impose...
TheIllestVillain 2 years ago
...new oppressive rules and conventions, thus defeating the whole purpose of why the movement arose in the first place. That's what I mean. I have never seen a political or ideological movement which didn't end up becoming completely hypocritical. Cue Henry Rollins.
TheIllestVillain 2 years ago
I'd agree. Most revolutionaries agree that once a revolution happens, only constant revolution can keep the movement "pure" which I tender, is a fool's errand. Well played, sir.
schwabbamoose 2 years ago
"Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster." - Nietzsche
TheIllestVillain 2 years ago
new atheism thing?
misfitsruby 2 years ago
New Atheism, Secular Humanism etc. The Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens et al inspired camps. So often they become as aggressive, tribalistic and authoritarian as the religions they protest.
TheIllestVillain 2 years ago 5
dawkins didnt invent atheism lol
misfitsruby 2 years ago
I know atheism in general is not new, but there is a recent and somewhat prominent movement of atheism often dubbed "New Atheism," and it was heavily inspired by Dawkins et al.
TheIllestVillain 2 years ago
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Sammaelhain 2 years ago
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@TheIllestVillain
No it isn't but defenders of theism never get tired of repeating it as if repeating it often enough will make it true. When Dawkins starts issuing fatwas or launching atheist inquisitions we'll talk.
Until then stfu.
Sammaelhain 2 years ago
Thanks for proving my point. No you haven't "launched an inquisition," but you certainly got defensive in a way you wouldn't have if we were discussing anything else.
TheIllestVillain 2 years ago
athism isnt a trend tho.
kyjello12 2 years ago
Whoa ... Rollins said something nice about Lydon (PiL being "infinitely more interesting than the Sex Pistols." ) PiL was.
Nice to see Hank give props to one of my favorite groups. I've always love Rollins and PiL, but felt lie they were the two friends one cannot bring together in the same room.
MCKRUSH 2 years ago
Still, there were punks with spiky hair who kicked ass (Discharge, The Exploited, Charged GBH).
rivet138 2 years ago
death nailed it. start trying to wear a uniform and that's not punk. be yourself, dont give a fuck about what people think
NickMotown 2 years ago
Sonic youth is great. They're the real deal
daveniner 2 years ago 5
"Back in my day, we would have blown that up!" Henry Rollins, is awesome.
jackal1221 2 years ago 3
As long as the music is good and the spirit is there then thats all that matters. I'm a metal fan first and foremost, but I love punk too, and to me that means everything from Ramones and Sex Pistols through Discharge and GBH, to P.I.L and Sonic Youth. People should be free to dress and sound how they wish as long as they respect other peoples right to do the same. It doesnt matter if you wear a leather jacket, or a suit or anything else, just do what you love and show respect.
fuzzleredmenn 2 years ago
Sonic fucking Youth!!!
pwgroh 2 years ago 6
in my opinion, punk rock music never died it has just morphed over the years. It goes way deeper than any sound or image or style, its all about attitude towards music, art, and life.
PieceofMindmusic 2 years ago 2
i love punk music but fuck, i hate the whole stupid image w/ the clothes and shit
nicolesamsonite 2 years ago 4
Henry Rollins: A man who knows his shit.
budzillah 2 years ago 12
Henry speaks the truth, most of those "True" punks are the ultimate conformists
hellcatfan 2 years ago 10
very true
i get called poser because i go to shows and i don't "fit" their definition of being a "punk". Punk is what you make it and what you want it to be. it's not about having a studded leather jacket, tight cheetah pants, and a red mohawk. It's about expressing yourself.
deathofamartyr2 2 years ago 17