In November 1952, General Salan decide to create a huge fighting camp in the Na San valley south of the Black river to block the two main invasion routes to the T'ai highlands. This camp will be manned by 12 French battalions, with an air strip and artillery. From the 2nd to the 4th of December, general Giap will through human waves after waves at the camp, (for example the PA 21 and PA 26 (point d'appuis) held by 707 Legionnaire will be assaulted by the TD 209 (3000 Bo Dois)
@sass225 and will hold due to artillery and air support). After two bloody days for the Viet Minh, Giap gave up, and (unfortunately) the idea of massive fighting camp to engage and defeat the enemy was born in the French High Command strategy. The French in 54 fully expected a reapeat of the hedghog defense and to inflict massive casulties on the viet minh but at the cost of public opinion not many french captured ever saw france agian
The G.M.s (Groupement Mobile) were designed as self-sustaining motorized regimental task force unit modeled after the U.S. Army’s World War II combat commands. The G.M.s typically consisted of three infantry battalions with one artillery battalion, along with elements of light armor or tanks, engineer, signal and medical assets, totaling 3,000-3,500 soldiers. group mobile 100 included the 1st and second korea battalions who had fought side by side with the us 2nd inf div in korea
On 25 October, 1946 the only known evidence of direct Soviet involvement in the area came about, when a Japanese patrol captured a Russian adviser near Thủ Dầu Một. He was handed over to Lieutenant-Colonel Cyril Jarvis, commander of the 1/1 Gurkha Rifles at Thủ Dầu Một. Jarvis tried several attempts at interrogation,so the soviet union was involved from the begining
petraus did use the ink spot stratagey but he also stopped the american blunder of communiting to war at first we were in large bases and went out during the day only to give up the land at night as we returned behind the wire.
thank you for the lecture I was born the day america signed away the south vietnamesse. I have been a student of this war and UW in general since I was 13.
Why did you find "little concern" in the American press about the French-Indochina war? An imperial power does not air the dirty laundry of another imperial power. Especially when you're both trying to present yourselves as champions of freedom and democracy in a war patently denying the same right for another. That nasty business of colony retention (one you've armed and aided) is just not good press.
@sheltercrow There was little american concern because as far as the american public knew there were no americans being killed there but 2 died at bien dien pho in 54 when the aircraft they were flying were shot down trying to drop supplies to the french.
When U.S are helping the french as "adivisors" because they want to get the support of the french, they didn't clearly emphasize that many of these so called advisors are SF, such as Green Berets who specializes too in teaching SV recruits, including vietnamese criminals to teach them and the first people taught will teach the other and so on, forming a chained reaction to create a large force to help in the fighting.
@ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION what are you talking about the vietnamesse trained during the indo china war were on the french side many veits were. what your confused about is that during ww2 the oss sent a small unit to train viet minh to fight the japanesse fdr was in vavor of giving the veitnamesse there indapendence he was against colonialism
I've looked at several of these long Vietnam-themed lectures on this channel & all I see is old men in the audience. What a shame. One of the best books I've read about American involvement in Vietnam written from a Vietnamese perspective, is Le Ly Hayslip's 'When Heaven and Earth Changed Places.' Hayslip was born in Vietnam the late1940s & - until leaving Vietnam as a young woman - never new a time without war. She was betrayed by both VietCong & Americans.
@yourselff900 They cared, they suffered a lot of losses trying to retain it. Many French citizens though, especially communists, do not care though. Or outrightly betray their country and armed forces. You should read some books.
In his autobiography, Colin Powell said something to the effect: "I can't help but think that if President Johnson had spent a quiet weekend at Camp David reading Bernard Fall's 'Street without Joy' or 'Hell in a very small place', they would have returned to the White House on Monday and tried to figure out a way out of the mess that was Vietnam."
Kennedy HAD read the 'Guns of August' just before the Cuban Missile Crisis. I think maybe it saved the world.
One begins to understand, but not accept why the French were so brutal in suppressing attempts to gain independence in the 1950s by their African colonies. The French were tapping resources and troops from these African colonies to use in Vietnam, while struggling to keep face, having lost all wars since Napoleon I. 50yrs on, the French have still not let go former African colonies. they decide who becomes president or minister. Gabon, Cameroon, Central Afr. Rep.,Congo are still in French grip.
Vietnam was a long time French possesion (French Colony) until 60 years ago. Every person who read just a little history knows about the French history of Vietnam. Usually, 90% of the Americans are un-educated and have imperialist minds: they don't know about other peoples history and they don't care about the rest of the nations, only when they do bussiness and wars with these nations. Americans tend to repeat mistakes and loose man because of this inculture-see:Vietnam, Irak, Afghanistan...
@oneinteligentmuslim I mostly agree; few Americans know French history in Vietnam or history in general. But I disagree that 90% of Americans have imperialist minds. In my view, the US gov has imperialist mindset, but most Americans seem to view US interventions not as imperialist but rather as actions necessary on the basis of national or global security. I've read this described as a successful case of "perception management". In other words, propaganda. One may even call it mass delusion.
@oneinteligentmuslim Veitnam was a french colony for 80 years. the american public is not imperialist at all. ho chi minh and vo nugyn gaip were both educated in the french system the first communist party ho joined in 1920 was the french communist party
In November 1952, General Salan decide to create a huge fighting camp in the Na San valley south of the Black river to block the two main invasion routes to the T'ai highlands. This camp will be manned by 12 French battalions, with an air strip and artillery. From the 2nd to the 4th of December, general Giap will through human waves after waves at the camp, (for example the PA 21 and PA 26 (point d'appuis) held by 707 Legionnaire will be assaulted by the TD 209 (3000 Bo Dois)
sass225 1 week ago
@sass225 and will hold due to artillery and air support). After two bloody days for the Viet Minh, Giap gave up, and (unfortunately) the idea of massive fighting camp to engage and defeat the enemy was born in the French High Command strategy. The French in 54 fully expected a reapeat of the hedghog defense and to inflict massive casulties on the viet minh but at the cost of public opinion not many french captured ever saw france agian
sass225 1 week ago
The G.M.s (Groupement Mobile) were designed as self-sustaining motorized regimental task force unit modeled after the U.S. Army’s World War II combat commands. The G.M.s typically consisted of three infantry battalions with one artillery battalion, along with elements of light armor or tanks, engineer, signal and medical assets, totaling 3,000-3,500 soldiers. group mobile 100 included the 1st and second korea battalions who had fought side by side with the us 2nd inf div in korea
sass225 1 week ago
On 25 October, 1946 the only known evidence of direct Soviet involvement in the area came about, when a Japanese patrol captured a Russian adviser near Thủ Dầu Một. He was handed over to Lieutenant-Colonel Cyril Jarvis, commander of the 1/1 Gurkha Rifles at Thủ Dầu Một. Jarvis tried several attempts at interrogation,so the soviet union was involved from the begining
sass225 1 week ago
petraus did use the ink spot stratagey but he also stopped the american blunder of communiting to war at first we were in large bases and went out during the day only to give up the land at night as we returned behind the wire.
sass225 1 week ago
thank you for the lecture I was born the day america signed away the south vietnamesse. I have been a student of this war and UW in general since I was 13.
sass225 1 week ago
Why did you find "little concern" in the American press about the French-Indochina war? An imperial power does not air the dirty laundry of another imperial power. Especially when you're both trying to present yourselves as champions of freedom and democracy in a war patently denying the same right for another. That nasty business of colony retention (one you've armed and aided) is just not good press.
sheltercrow 2 months ago
@sheltercrow There was little american concern because as far as the american public knew there were no americans being killed there but 2 died at bien dien pho in 54 when the aircraft they were flying were shot down trying to drop supplies to the french.
sass225 1 week ago
When U.S are helping the french as "adivisors" because they want to get the support of the french, they didn't clearly emphasize that many of these so called advisors are SF, such as Green Berets who specializes too in teaching SV recruits, including vietnamese criminals to teach them and the first people taught will teach the other and so on, forming a chained reaction to create a large force to help in the fighting.
ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION 5 months ago
@ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION what are you talking about the vietnamesse trained during the indo china war were on the french side many veits were. what your confused about is that during ww2 the oss sent a small unit to train viet minh to fight the japanesse fdr was in vavor of giving the veitnamesse there indapendence he was against colonialism
sass225 1 week ago
I've looked at several of these long Vietnam-themed lectures on this channel & all I see is old men in the audience. What a shame. One of the best books I've read about American involvement in Vietnam written from a Vietnamese perspective, is Le Ly Hayslip's 'When Heaven and Earth Changed Places.' Hayslip was born in Vietnam the late1940s & - until leaving Vietnam as a young woman - never new a time without war. She was betrayed by both VietCong & Americans.
bapyou 1 year ago
the french by 1950 didnt even cared about losing vietnam they are just stupid
yourselff900 1 year ago
@yourselff900 They cared, they suffered a lot of losses trying to retain it. Many French citizens though, especially communists, do not care though. Or outrightly betray their country and armed forces. You should read some books.
PalleRasmussen 3 months ago
In his autobiography, Colin Powell said something to the effect: "I can't help but think that if President Johnson had spent a quiet weekend at Camp David reading Bernard Fall's 'Street without Joy' or 'Hell in a very small place', they would have returned to the White House on Monday and tried to figure out a way out of the mess that was Vietnam."
Kennedy HAD read the 'Guns of August' just before the Cuban Missile Crisis. I think maybe it saved the world.
Can't get lucky twice in a row......
ARKALER 2 years ago 3
One begins to understand, but not accept why the French were so brutal in suppressing attempts to gain independence in the 1950s by their African colonies. The French were tapping resources and troops from these African colonies to use in Vietnam, while struggling to keep face, having lost all wars since Napoleon I. 50yrs on, the French have still not let go former African colonies. they decide who becomes president or minister. Gabon, Cameroon, Central Afr. Rep.,Congo are still in French grip.
gwabente 2 years ago
People need to travel. If you stay on a same place forever, you must be dumb. Please travel. Don't get brain wash. Thank you so much Mr. Professor.
nikkokyaw 2 years ago
Never knew the French were in Vietnam.
eviltreemonster 2 years ago
Vietnam was a long time French possesion (French Colony) until 60 years ago. Every person who read just a little history knows about the French history of Vietnam. Usually, 90% of the Americans are un-educated and have imperialist minds: they don't know about other peoples history and they don't care about the rest of the nations, only when they do bussiness and wars with these nations. Americans tend to repeat mistakes and loose man because of this inculture-see:Vietnam, Irak, Afghanistan...
oneinteligentmuslim 2 years ago
@oneinteligentmuslim You're an idiot.
Sodnal 1 year ago 3
@oneinteligentmuslim I mostly agree; few Americans know French history in Vietnam or history in general. But I disagree that 90% of Americans have imperialist minds. In my view, the US gov has imperialist mindset, but most Americans seem to view US interventions not as imperialist but rather as actions necessary on the basis of national or global security. I've read this described as a successful case of "perception management". In other words, propaganda. One may even call it mass delusion.
Nmber6 1 year ago
@oneinteligentmuslim You are an uninformed idiot.
Paraconsistant 9 months ago
@oneinteligentmuslim Veitnam was a french colony for 80 years. the american public is not imperialist at all. ho chi minh and vo nugyn gaip were both educated in the french system the first communist party ho joined in 1920 was the french communist party
sass225 1 week ago
enjoyed! ty
SarcoMorbato 2 years ago