never be fooled

[matrixcmitech]

it is a very well known phrase "internet community".

and it is a fact that the sustainable-types gather here on youtube to have communications.

she says "don't be fooled into thinking that that is community..."

so - she is contradicting herself or playing language games.

youtube is only the BEGINNING of the new technological paradigm of cooperative collaboration using open source communications.

i mean? - do we have to be literally sitting at the same table to have a community?

[totallytubulartimes]

I agree that it's the beginning like you say...but how long will it last, when the energy source that brings it to you is fossil fuels? She says not to be fooled into thinking that that is community but what she doesn't say is that online community is the toxic mimic of community. This is easy to confuse.

[ecstatica23]

now that's what I'm talking about, great video response.

[zzz33333]

this is a great video.

[ReliableInsider]

Well, the Internet can be a little bit community-like. It's just not *as* good as the real world.

[pennilesscripple]

what real world?

[8rf]

My favorite video NOW. Thanks sista... and sorry for being a total jackass... peace... no more fight. say hello to zack,.

[cloudmonkeys]

If find computers frustrating, if I hadnt failed to help create the kinds of positive ways of life that I want then I wouldnt be here, but people can use it to gather their thoughts - its a kind 'back to the drawing board' scenario. Also when I've mentioned my Thomas Berry/Derrick Jensen /Gary Snyder type views to 'real' people Ive been told that I'm a zeolot and a Maoist amongst other things, at least no ones acused me of being a Maoist here yet.

[pennilesscripple]

oh yeah i like that 'back to the drawing board' analogy, monkeys, spot on. it seems to be our best option given the situation. and i think it's really important that we connect to kindred spirits and know we're not the only ones. i know it gives me strength, and at the very least, i get practice in articulating what's true for me so i can better do it face to face. :)

[PositivelyPrimitive]

Good video, I don't understand though how you say it will _keep us together_ but we are not a community. Perhaps through evolution of human interaction, this medium will prove to be community. I think this communication can form a global community and this will become apparent over time, evolving.

[Rockstarsean]

It always makes me wonder just how much of a community YT really is, in many ways it does represent the social communities but there is always something very removed about the internet that i think kind of restrains it from any real intimacy...

[pennilesscripple]

yes it's frustrating sean

i often wonder if real connection is possible despite the constraints of the medium

i continue to explore that question....

[lapislazuline]

well the south-tubers say just the opposite, they love it apparently,they say its a REAL community whatever that is

[pennilesscripple]

sadly we don't know what real community is

online or offline

but of course we use the word anyway

[FiReaLuv]

i see your point, but there are real relationships being developed here. its just a tool, but a good one.

peace from japan. eLi G.

[8rf]

I must put this on my favorites.

[DrZarkloff]

I'm making air conditioning tutorials. That's community.

[pennilesscripple]

hee hee

[FunToRelate]

All the talk of community here on YouTube sounds all touchy-feely and good, but I just don't see it myself here. If you look up the definition, there is little to suggest YouTube is a community.

[torpedofish]

I couldn't agree more with you, FunToRelate. Some people have unrealistic ideas about YouTube. Some ppl think we really can get to know each other here, but forget that we're posting videos to the entire crazy world.

[QuinnEGorges]

Good point.

[dazedANDtruckin]

yea, very good point.

[SohoSquare]

The internet per sae isn't community though corners of it are even if they're not capable of being sustained naturally. Communication is certainly easier here - but then I suppose jumping off buildings is easier in a Nintendo game :)

[pennilesscripple]

the way that we use the word 'community' in contemporary society...i.e. making brownies for the library bake sale...is a far cry from the interconnected life that is our birthright, that most of us have never experienced, or experienced only in the tiniest glimpses, but which calls to us from the marrow of our bones. my definition of community requires face to face communication over time...not possible in this medium.

[pennilesscripple]

as much as we may love it, in the end it leaves us emptier than before, as has been shown in a number of those scientific studies we seem to need to prove what we already know....

[SohoSquare]

No doubt, you're right. As I said, it's not 'natural' but it's the largest community that I have time to belong to thanks to civilsation sending me out to work 13 hours a day to pay for things that should be free. (I was thinking of the dictionary definition of community: "a group of people forming a smaller social unit within a larger one". No more - but also, no less.)

The marrow of my bones is voiceless and I've never made a brownie nor attended a library bake sale. Yet.

[pennilesscripple]

the marrow of your bones has a voice, soho :) it spoke to you when you visited that place in the country you mentioned...

yeah well i realized this video would be unsettling, as when we find online communities we get a lift, because we feel we've found what we really need...but it's just a shadow of the real thing, and hungry as we are, we settle for it....

[SohoSquare]

:) You make us sound as though we were desperate for the connection and companionship. I see it as being far less sinister. I know it's not the same as meeting someone in the flesh - and 'a shadow of the real thing' is an apt description. However, it's nice to broaden one's social circle and to exchange ideas with people who would otherwise be unreachable. And if it were suddenly to disappear, not a lot would change in my life (other than I'd have a bit more free time) :)

[pennilesscripple]

hmm desparate...that's not how i would frame it...that's in the realm of the ego, and i'm not talking from that perspective, or rather am struggling with expressing what it really is i feel about this

i'd hold that we don't now what real connection is, and that what we call connection at times may give us glimpses of what we've lost

but given the constraints of this medium, i don't know that i should even post what i just said...ha

[SohoSquare]

That makes sense. You're getting through :) I think that I connected better when I was younger but that a lot of that connection was unreal - or made up. I spent eleven years with the love of my life and thought we knew each other inside out. I was wrong. I'm not at all bitter about that - but it just proves that even the most one-to-one connection can be - well, just in your own head. I'm happy for the connection with you, Penn. Even if it is only via this medium or in my own head :)

[pennilesscripple]

me too soho, very happy

someone said that we meet fragments of ourselves on the internet

you're a grand fragment....

[lapislazuline]

this medium has huge constraints as i,ve discovered to my cost,you can,t get a "feel" for the other person, it,s such a sad state of affairs,just mess things up and wink out of existense

[pennilesscripple]

yeah lapis

it is challenging challenging challenging

i work hard to keep it as clean as i can and still there are wild misunderstandings that seem to defy any attempt to clean them up....