haha love the ending, anyways, why did god created you from the first place? to test you from what when he knows all your choice, on top of that what does god want from me, testing me from what? when he has test billionssssssss people and still want to test more for what for hope? hope for what to become a better human? when he knows it all? ermmm okay am done here loool CHIWAWAAA!!
He allows u to make choices. U control ur life, but he places challenges in ur way to help steer u, but u are in control of the car, and him, of the stoplights and turns
@KCKproductionsTV "he places challenges in your way to help steer you" so what you're saying is that god interferes with us on earth? Yet again that is not what your little book says.
God is all good because he redeems, we can repent. He is loving. He dosnt punish us, but he allows satan to. We use our free will to either sin or not
Weather patterns and dog attacks are not chance. If they were, science would not be able to predict any natural disasters, nor would we have guidelines on what to do when confronted by a bear in the woods. If you would like a good explanation on how these fit into a Christian world view read C.S Lewis' apologetics.
God can have a plan for us without interfering with free will. God's plan are chioces that He would like us to make, people make the choice to go against God's plan everyday, when we do this God redeems our failures for good.
The arguement at 1:48 is flawed. Saying that someone can choose to take a path does not mean that the person will in fact do that. It is just an option. If God knows theo will take the left path the fact that theo COULD take the right path does not make God wrong as theo is still going to take the left path. Foreknowledge does not defeat choice. Theo's definition of omniscience is wrong, God knows what all of our choices will be.
i disagree with the second premise on free will, knowing something is gonna happen is not the same thing as controlling it,but creating something you knew would do something to an extent is
@sailornaruto39 Don't forget that he is also supposed to be the creator of everything. And he know what everything and everybody is going to do beforehand, right? So why did he create millions of people, knowing full well that they were going to "sin", and then wipe them out with a global flood? Sadistic much?
@sailornaruto39 that does not make a lick of sense. Either he knows beforehand what people will do or not. The deity can predict the future exactly, or not. There is no third option.
Good and evil doenst exist. is only a expression. The only think o make us bad people or good people, is the culture and morals o make us thing, the differences. We don't born stupid, idiot or other thing, we don't know anything what is live, is a strange nature for the babyes, we don't know nothing.
But about the video, i think is right, no one knows what the future have, and change second be second. if god knows what comes to the future, is like matrix the movie, they program our lives.
Okay you were wrong on the very first argument, God wouldn't punish a soldier for doing his mission. And if you believe in God or not, we are still ALL going to die one day. So why does it matter if we believe or not?
@loves2trollu dude it doesnt matter killing someone is in the 10 commandment's jackass u dont do it no matter what suposably ur seuposed to embrace death urself not cause it and people still cause death and belive they will be loved for it
This should be called 'proof that god does not exist relating to christian beliefs'... the knowledge of other religions this video is based on seems pretty misinformed..
My YEC roommate has an interesting answer: That God creates the broad brushstrokes of our lives, but leaves it up to us how we handle the details. How this is supposed to work, beats me, but ah, He IS God, LOL!
A more realistic ending is that Theo went to the "Answers in Genesis" website, memorized all the answers and spewed then out robotically so his fundie friends wouldn't reject him!
Read "The Reason for God" by Timothy Keller. It answers everything that is said in the video above. If you don't want to read it, it's your fault you remain ignorant.
Other questions to add: Could god have created a place where there is freewill but no evil? If he can't what is heaven like? Why is having free will more important to god than stopping evil? If the act of allowing free will also allows evil to exist, didn't god do an evil thing by enacting this system? Is death evil? God knows ahead of your birth how your life will turn out. Why create you at all to end up in hell? Why not kill you before you mess up? Answers on a postcard...
Because God is also FAIR and JUST....this is why the UNRIGHTEOUS ARE PUNISHED. What would you think of a Federal Judge who allowed convicted murderers and rapists to go free and unpunished because he was "all good"? Would you also say he was FAIR and JUST?
... hmmm.... when will people realize debunking bad theory and bad arguments is not equal to proving the nonexistence of an object or an entity... only the flawed nature of the theory. More Agumentum ad logicam.
supposedly there god is all knowing, all powerful, blah blah blah and supposidly we have free will, so if there god is all knowing then it would know what every human on earth is going to do before they do it so its not really free will, its pre determined. im glad i dont believe that shit.
I don't accept your ideas of Omniscense...many christians don't have a problem with that. It's called Open Thiesm. The fundamentalist ideas about god is a reflection of their ideas. A good god and suffering in the world accounts for a great deal of discussion among folks of all persuasions...it only proves we agree it's a problem.
I don't accept your ideas of Omniscense...many christians don't have a problem with that. It's called Open Thiesm. The fundamentalist ideas about god is a reflection of their ideas. A good god and suffering in the world accounts for a great deal of discussion among folks of all persuasions...it only proves we agree it's a problem.
I don't accept your ideas of Omniscense...many christians don't have a problem with that. It's called Open Thiesm. The fundamentalist ideas about god is a reflection of their ideas. A good god and suffering in the world accounts for a great deal of discussion among folks of all persuasions...it only proves we agree it's a problem.
Science has shown that the Natural World View is correct. There is no God. The magic man in the sky has been replaced with knowledge provide by science and viewed with logic and reason.
Ridiculous, it says in the bible that God gives free will. This means that though God knows the choices that you will make, he did not decide for anyone. People make the decision to operate rationally or irrationally. You as a human being have the option to go left or right, which you that you decide to go is ultimately up to you alone.
@chica0616 How and when exactly did God give humans free will?
And even if we suppose he did, we are punished if we don't follow ALL of his commands. Then free will is just a word and not something you're actually supposed to exercise.
As I read it we are free do do his bidding under threat of eternal damnation. That is the same freedom we see in a dictatorship!
both possiblislties can ever exist at the same time-it cannot understand what its like to be all powerful. but if god exists and is all powerful, then I would find it also likely that he can allow both free will and 100% premonitions to exist, just not in a way or with any reason that we can comprehend. understand?
Like, if he is all powerful ( a characteristic that truly No one can relate to) is it not a possibility that the truth of his existence can thwart a human perception, understanding, and analysis of him? If God DOES exist, and he is all powerful, than is it not believable that he found a way to see into the future AND allow free will....see human logic says its not possible, because it cannot understand how
One thing I don't get, and I say this not as an advocate of biblical stories or anything, just as an advocate of open mind and knowledge. If God is a being who is all powerful, all knowing, and all good, how could any human logic ever trump him.
If I knew you were going to choose to have a sandwich for lunch, does that mean I made you choose it? Uh, no.
The 'All Good' wouldn't punish people to hell argument:
Since Adam and Eve, we are ALL sinners (including the pope and Gandhi and myself and you). We are not punished by God for our sins, but punished for not repenting those sins.
I could continue to flaw all your logic, but I know I'm only wasting my time.
@KarlBakke97 Great defensive argument, you have completely changed my views on religion, thanks. >.> This video is a great example of how stupid atheists can be. If you seriously can't see the flaws in his reasoning, you're not yet ready to determine if there is or isn't a God. There are some great points that really question Gods existence but this video has none of them. He starts out with one idea, that's wrong, then builds his whole argument out of it. Come on guys, let's do some thinking!
@cherryblossom39 Im the one who is stupid your the idiot that belive in god -.- You cant prove that he exist, and thats like saying that it does not exist! Lets say i write some meaningless pomes with some moral and but it in a book and call it some stupid name. and there it says that god is a fluffy pink ball who fly around us just that he is to great for the human eye to see. and some people try to convince to me that its not real... then i can say "you cant prove thats he dont" stupid right?
these 3 vids explain things to everyone i explained this to my freinds who were christian and now there they are now i still cant get evan to budge though hes stubborn he carries a bible around in school for -->gods sake<-- just a phrase
As an atheist, I wish people would be more accurate of religion. Religion isn't hard to rip apart. Be fair about it.
God can be all knowing and we can still have free will (even though I consider free will to not exist). Knowing what we do and forcing what we do are two entirely different things.
God allows us to make the choice. Even though it could lead to damnation, God gave humans the choice. We make the choice
Again, I am an atheist. Just saying, be fair to religion. Then tear it apart.
lol funny but the free will argument is a fallacy. Free will can exist while God knows all of the choices a person will make since God is not bound by time. It'd be like playing the Sims and the people can do whatever they want but you can fastforward and rewind time. To explain why bad things happen, it would take a long time but I can do it. But in short it's all about the ending. And for the list of bad things you listed you should have included kesha! I'm pretty sure she's the devil D:
@endrake2 except you do not fully appreciate the concept omnipotent.Or simply super powerfull totally capable of doing everything unparaleled and beyond the imagination of men.this is knowledge you get shuffed down your throat at young age even if you come from an atheist family and society.so lets never forget what EXACTLY is being suggested.This should instantly connect you to the conclusion that god has no restraints. So do we really have to explain what he is capable off to theists?
this video really made me thinkk. i go to church every Wednesday and Sunday, but for the past couples years I've really been struggling with the whole religion and god thing.. I'm still really torn. so if anyone could help me or give advice or even suggest a book or something to help me figure this all out, I would really, really appreciate it..
@CyrahRSL09 I'd suggest you read the sacred text of another (different) religion to your own. Once you see how ridiculous that religion looks, you'll be able to see why they're all equally ridiculous.
@CyrahRSL09 I wish I had advice but being atheist doesnt mean Im more potential than anyone else.if anything Im just a dumbass.All I can say is that the love that your god could give resides in us humans.So lets try to go for 1 common goal we can all believe in and feel free to critizise at times. Because life is a miracle but it wasnt designed by a deity. And lets face it armaegedon(the rupture -.-) is supposedly near if it wont come well need a place to start off with, science will do for now.
@CyrahRSL09 I suggest "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. Really well written, explains a lot of thing, and if you want you can listen to some lectures and debates he's had, my favorite one was "Growing Up In the Universe", it's right here on YouTube. You are very courageous for questioning your religion, I know how hard it must be. Good luck with everything, even though I don't think luck exists! Haha!
the christian definition of god is flawed, I agree. But put it this way: remember when you were a child, and you parents punished you when you did something bad? And at the time it seemed like they were mean and awful, but now as an adult, you can see that they were trying to teach you how to behave. Well, i think that in some huge cosmic way, god does the same thing. Sure it seems horrible when we're being punished, but once we die and get perspective, it makes sense
@Tardis1217 Ok... lets do this... give me your address, I will come over and "murder" you (or someone you dearly love), and thus this will teach everyone that watches this youtube video that giving out your personal details over the web can have negative consequences.
Right... coz that's not evil... hence breaking the rule about being 'all good'
@Mswordx23 Our moral compass. Please explain how humans (alone) have morals and how we got them by any other means than a God. If it wasn't by God, it would have had to evolved with our species. But morals aren't beneficial, in fact they keep humans from truly getting ahead in life. So wouldn't the first humans born with morals have gone extinct trying to compete against humans without morals fighting like animals to survive and reproduce?
@cherryblossom39 Here's a few staples of morality and how they cause a species to prosper:
Stealing Is Wrong: If everyone stole from each other, it would create belligerence within a population
Lying Is Wrong: A society can only prosper if everyone tells the truth. "Where is the food?" "By the tree over there." If the first speaker was lying, it would create belligerence
Killing Is Wrong: Well duh. Animals must live to reproduce
Cheating on your spouse is Wrong: To prevent overpopulation.
but you aren't even talkin about the right artifact. you are focusing solely on ron wyatt, and completely ignore johnathan gray. can you tell me anything about johnathan gray? is his archeologalical career being called into question too? I agree with you that ron wyatt nothing more then an attention seeking fraud, but he wasn't the only one looking for these chariot wheels.
@kradrol No you got it ALL wrong! Bring forth the wheel! Get all your facts together! I will not accept this story as true because there are too many elements missing. Mainly the artifact in question. It should be cross examined. Leave where all can examine, accept, or logically refute. And did u skip the part where it says "atleast in ONE case"? U know why evo is accepted all throughout science? Because it's been tested many times and proven itself many times. Not just in "ONE case."
@sexyAllen4u but in this case all I needed as ONE case. ONE artifact. if you can't explain away that ONE wheel, then you have no case against the exodius. I didn't think it would be that hard either.
@kradrol You take that little bit of information and conclude that it's true. Someone claimed to find the very wheel from a chariot used to chase the Egyptians-you believe it. Someone, or group claimed to have authenticated it-you believe it. No current evidence to show for it-you still believe it. I doubt. I doubt your God, and I doubt every story pertaining to your God. Show me something and maybe I could take it into consideration.
@sexyAllen4u "Show me something and maybe I could take it into consideration." why should I believe that at all. I showed you a clip from an article which stated that scientific authorities have comfired that on atlesat one case they found a wheel dating to the time of exodius, at the bottom of the red sea. rather then coming up with a retort such as "well that just shows that the egyptains had chariots" you opt for the "nu-uh. that didnt' happen" approach. (continued)
@sexyAllen4u again I demonstrate that a modren day scientific theory, which has tested evidence behind it, was taught by a prophet 180 years about. again your retort is "nu-uh" you say "well that hasn't been proven yet, so it doesn't count" so unless bring the wheel spoke to your house and have a scientist YOU hand select run carbon dating on it you will NEVER believe any article, website, or even results sheet. THAT is how you are just as bad as any religion.
@kradrol Oh you have now??? So what facts have you presented that proves the existence of the very God you believe in? And no Atheists are NOTHING like religion. We need evidence period. Our beliefs change as more evidence presents itself and makes more sense. You have not backed what you said with evidence. Your attempt in that was trying to say "they" found a wheel of THE chariot chasing the Egyptians. Yet no one can find it and you don't even know WHO authenticated it!
@kradrol Ummm no...it's not the same. See I can back my arguments up with facts and evidence and logical explanations. Your only backing for your arguments are in a certain and specific book, not supported by anything other than it's followers. It's not the same. And my beliefs are not as dogmatic and naively accepted as religious beliefs are. So when I tell you your wrong, I can demonstrate why. That's why my beliefs are accepted in schools and laws.
@sexyAllen4u "And my beliefs are not as dogmatic and naively accepted as religious beliefs" you wanna run that one by me again. you have openly denied evidence I have presented. evidence which has been documented and varified by scientific authorities. and still you deny the claim becuase it doesn't fit into your view of the universe. atheists are just as indoctrinated and dogmatic as any given religion. (continued)
@sexyAllen4u and yes, it is the same. you say you hate religious aploogetics tellng you that you are wrong, and you should think the way they do. I have backed up everything I have said with facts, not just apologetics and bible verses. I have brought up scientific facts, clercognisence, ancient culutres, etc. and still you say "you just have the bible and nothing else" why are ignoring the facts I have brought up?
@kradrol If that's what you want to believe, cool. But don't go around tellin other people they're wrong and your beliefs are right. Facts work better.
@sexyAllen4u I hate to point this out to you, but from the start you have been the one telling me that I am way, and my religion is stupid, and I shouldn't believe in anything until I can prove it. you are doing the same thing you just condemned religions for doing.
@kradrol I never said I don't respect your beliefs. I just can't stand when religion tries to enforce it's views in our schools and law. I hate that shit with a passion. Mainly because their views are not shared yet they say they know it to be true when the truth is they don't know. And because of that,radically different beliefs clash and thus we have civil disputes, wars, and international confusion.
@kradrol I really don't care. This life I have here is the one I'm worried about. I live a good life because I want to be a good example for others. I do not wait for an award in the after life. I live this life as if it were my last because most likely it is.
@sexyAllen4u you are judged on a lower standard, but as such your reward in heaven will not be as great. you still won't go to hell, but you will have a lesser reward.
@kradrol But my actions as an unbeliever are different than what I would do as a religious person. For one, I totally don't agree with sex only after marriage. If it works for some then cool. But not me. And I don't need no person i can't see tellin me I can't or shouldn't!
@sexyAllen4u sex before marriage isn't bad for you. just like drinking isn't bad for you. yes, your actions are different, but so is the standard you will be judged by.
@kradrol as long as u view the doubt as reasonable then I have no problem with that. Many people think because we doubt that as love Satan, or we're automatically immoral, and most famously, we're going to hell.
@sexyAllen4u I don't believe that at all. there are many rational reasons not to believe in god, and that doesn't mean you love satan, or that you are going to hell. my church teaches that heaven and hell are based apong your actions, not which god you choose. that sounds more like a all loving god then anything else I have seen from any other religion.
@sexyAllen4u i believe that god is a sentient being. no, I don't know for a fact, as I have no seen him face to face. I know beyond reasonible doubt that he is a sentient all knowing being.
@kradrol And if the big bang sounds divine to you then that's cool. Your perception. Doesn't make it true but I guess it's something to hope for.lol I won't tag a God to it if I don't know for sure it was. I do know that energy according to the laws of thermodynamics, cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. Would you say that energy is God?
@kradrol I wanted to see what your answer was. You believe after that ONE instance where this missing wheel was authenticated, that it is indeed authentic, even though it has not stood through scrutiny. I just wanted to make sure that you didn't deny evolution or the big bang because the scientific community unanimously supports it. So if you could believe this 1 little authority group of archeologists, there's no way you could deny the entire scientific community.
@kradrol Authorities?? Who were the authorities?? And do you believe that we evolved? Or just simply created? Do you believe in the big bang or just God speaking everything into existence?
@sexyAllen4u I am assuming the authorities are the national archeological society, but I could be wrong. as for evolution or the big bang I fail to see what that has to do with a sunken wheel spoke, but ok I will answer. I believe life on this planet evolved. I believe god guided the evolutionary process every step of the way. I believe homo-specian did not evolve from apes, but rather along side them as a seperate species. (continued)
@sexyAllen4u now as for the big bang, which as best we can tell was everything exsists being spontaniously generated from nothing in a gaint explosion, that already sounds like divine creation. how is such a huge leaps to think that something which defies all scientific explaination could come from a superior being. I also fail to see why you brought it up at all. are you going to mention the higs bozon particle next?
@sexyAllen4u appearently you didn't read the last sentence like I told you too. "who have documented artifacts that in at least one case authorities have confirmed to be a chariot wheel dating to the time of the Exodus."
THAT is how I can believe the claim. you a speaking specifically about the chariot wheel found by ron wyatt. I am speaking about the chariot wheel which authorities confirmed dated to the time of exodus. it says right there that they found atleast one of those.
@kradrol The chariot wheel couldn't even be radiocarbon dated due to the choral. There is too much missing(especially the artifact itself)to jump to conclusions and pin point it directly to that story. And now their government won't even allow archeologists to pull any artifacts from the red sea. Damn! That sucks! I wonder why....
@sexyAllen4u "The chariot wheel couldn't even be radiocarbon dated due to the choral." then how can we date other artifacts found underwater? I know they do it all the time. does the red sea have special coral that no one else has? and couldn't you just date the coral deposits themselves? why can we tell how long moss has been on a tree, but we can't say how long coral has been on a wheel spokes? (continued)
@sexyAllen4u "And now their government won't even allow archeologists to pull any artifacts from the red sea. Damn! That sucks! I wonder why...." I don't know. but I would say it's similliar to the reason the chinesse government won't let people investigate the baigong pipes. or the bolivian government not allowing people to excavate the sunken city of winauko. (not exact on the spelling) egypt isn't the only place to close research on archeological sites, and in most causes it's political.
@kradrol Ron Wyatt was an amateur archeologist. He claimed to have found Noah's ark, the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, the location of Sodom And Gomorrah, the Tower of Babel, the true site of Mt. Sinai, the true site of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the original stones of the Ten Commandments. No wonder he became rich and famous! Sadly he is considered by many(even members of the church) as a fraud.
@kradrol It is just heresay sir. I've already read that article. And that "chariot wheel"dissappeared! How ironic.... And let's say if it was a chariot wheel...how do you figure it was the chariot wheel mentioned in the Moses story? How do you automatically percieve it to be that way and not think of other possibilities, like a boat carrying chariots that probably dropped some parts? Simple! Because your only concerned with YOUR truth being THE truth!!
@sexyAllen4u I am not saying that is the only possiblity, I am saying that is A possiblity. and a pssiblity that the evidence supports. and you have already made your feelings toward ron wyatt well known, but what about jonathan gray? have you ever even heard of him? is it possible that HIS chariot wheel was the one that as authenticated? (conitinued)
"The 38-year-old forklift mechanic from Keynsham, England, traveled to the region with his brother, Mark, after being inspired by videos of explorers Ron Wyatt and Jonathan Gray, who have documented artifacts that in at least one case authorities have confirmed to be a chariot wheel dating to the time of the Exodus."
I can provided you a link if you'd like, but I want you to read that last sentence again, I think it's the most important part.
@kradrol Im a man of many trades. Don't think because I have chosen a career in reaL estate that means I don't study and research history and science. The greatest thing about real estate is it allows me to have more free time! I do my own research, not just rely on others for theirs. That's what helped me finally release myself from my dogmatic acceptance of religion. Studying for myself! And the chariot wheels are now nowhere to be found. They have not been authenticated.
@kradrol No I decided that it was false because it lacks real EVIDENCE!!!! Something you do not to much care about! If it was true then his archeological findings could stand up to intense scrutiny which in his case, has not. Stop laying claim on things your not sure about! I will catch you every time and correct you every time!
@sexyAllen4u "Stop laying claim on things your not sure about! I will catch you every time and correct you every time!" so you are claiming that it was ron wyatt who found the chariot wheels. mmm. last I checked the chariot wheels were authenticated. you should also watch the show "exodus decoded" they have lost of evidence you will have fun correcting them on. we all know that a 25 year old real estate developer knows more then a career archeologist and historian.
@kradrol Have you ever began to think that they just might not be monotheists?? How many Gods they serve does not matter!! They probably fit a God to different purposes. None have any evidence. Just like yours! Hmm that's something both of your religions strongly share in common.
@sexyAllen4u I can accept that they aren't monotheists, I can even accept that a polytheist religion could be correct, and multiple gods created the universe. the thing that turned me off hindu is that whenever a new religion pops up they say "oh yeah, he is one of our gods too"
@kradrol Let me ask, who found the chariot wheels at the bottom of the red sea? It wouldn't of happened to be Ron Wyatt would it?? The same one who claimed to find Noah's Ark?? Omg...your hopeless!! You DO NOT care for the truth! You only want YOUR truth to be true!! And you will go up and down searching for evidence to support what you already believe!! Totally backwards man! Don't you see that??
@kradrol "If brane theory is ever confirmed" Ok and what if it's not?? Your already crediting John Smith for theories that have not yet been proven! And then you will take his claims over the hindu's who you yourself claimed to know of space travel thousands of years ago! But yet you don't lend credence to their God! Just stop and learn to better develop your debating skills. You put your foot in your mouth too many times!
@sexyAllen4u first off, I didn't lend credence to the hindu god becuase they can't make up their mind who their god is. they have over 1000 different gods, and they keep adding new ones. second, don't actually know the name of the acheologists that found chariot wheels at the bottom of the red sea. it's been along time since I was able to properly research them. it could be true, could be false, but you have decided already that it is false, just becuase it is religious. now that is backwards.
@kradrol And brane theory suggests that there are an infinite amount of parallel universes, and that we could not percieve the others with our senses. It's a cool theory, but until we could find evidence to put up to scrutiny then we cannot put it past just a theory. So saying that ancient civilization KNEW about it thousands of years ago is hogwash! They probably imagined it, but nothing suggests it is reality. And none of it suggests that the Christian God is the creator!
@sexyAllen4u you fail to understand one very important fact. if brane theory is ever confirmed it will prove that joseph smith had scientific knowledge 180 years before any accreditted scholar. knowledge he claims to have come from the christian god. so in fact it DOES point to the christian god, as he is the one being creditted for this advanced knowledge. secondly, they is one other point I must clearify before closing this topic. (continue)
@sexyAllen4u you are interrupting "religious evidence" to mean things like prayer stories, personal experiences, testomonies, etc. but when I said "religious evidence" I was referring to unbiased scientific evidence that happens to lend credence to a current religion. (such as finding egyptian chariot wheels on the bottom of the red sea, or finding horse bones in indian caves in north american) you don't research such claims, you just right them off as "that couldn't happen"
@kradrol No I don't look for RELIGIOUS evidence at all! I look for non partial unbiased scientifical evidence. So hopefully that clears that up. Nothing you have said has lead to the belief that a supernatural deity created all of this. And that definately doesn't point narrowly to your Christian God at all. The farthest you could go with this little bit of knowledge is deism. Like I said, your logic is twisted. You believe first, then look for evidence to validify your beliefs.
@kradrol Its called math sir. And this is only a theory with insufficient evidence to prove to be true. There's a lot more study that needs to be done before we could validate the claims of brane theory. We have no idea if a 4th dimension exists. And if it did we still can't assume that's where some deity dwells. But it's a good theory, and if provided sufficient evidence it could naturally explain the cause to the big bang and what was before the BB.
@sexyAllen4u ok..........clearly you did no research into brane, as it doesn't mention a 4th dimension, and has almost nothing to do with the big bang, but rather why gravity is so much weaker then the other universal constants. however, this does explain why you are so quick to dismiss the idea of religious evidence. you don't do research into the validity of any evidence, so it's easy for you not to find any. it all makes total sense now.
@kradrol "I know a lot about the spirit world as described by the LDS church" ok and you ever wondered how they know? And as far as space travel goes, if they knew about it 7000 years ago why the hell aren't we traveling through space yet?? You do realize in order for us to do any real traveling through space we have to develop the ability to travel much faster than 186,000 miles per second right? Did they know that?
@sexyAllen4u they might have known that, but since we seem intent on destory the knowledge of those we conquer. we simply don't know. that also speak to why we can't travel through space yet. we keep needing to start over after killing off those cultures smarter then us. as for the spirit world described by the LDS church I don't need to wonder how they know about it. god told them about it. now it's your turn. how did they know about the details of brane theory in 1830?
@sexyAllen4u well that depends. which "spirit world" are you talking about? I know alot about the spirit world as described by the LDS church, but you could be talking about a different "spirit world" all together.
@kradrol Umm....what?! Parallel dimensions is only a theory. It has not been proving what the fuck are you smoking?? And why aren't you Hindu then?? And we have not yet traveled space. We've went as far as the moon and that's it. So again...what the fuck are you smoking?!
@kradrol When you no longer have a logical way to explain your beliefs you assert things on to your belief. No one admits to God creating evil despite what the bible says. I MADE you admit that! Because it was as plain as day in Isaiah. So then you assert your own understanding of it and try to explain it off as being good for mankind! Doesn't the bible say "lean not to thine own understanding"?? Back down bro! Why must you keep throwing yourself out there to look more dumb than the last time??
@sexyAllen4u let's talk about isaiah for a second. I conceeded that point becuase it was clear that you didn't have the mental comprehension to grasp abstracted concepts. but now that you bring it up again, good and evil were not "created" they were allowed. much of what isaiah writes is symbolic. yes, some things are litteral, that's why god gives us the spirit of decernment. so now it is a simple matter of pitting your opion against mine. the problem is you can't prove an opion. (continued)
@sexyAllen4u now that we are past isaiah, (since I assume you too will conceed that it is futile for either side to agrue opionions.) we can move on to what I am talking about with parallel dimensions and space travel. yes, parallel dimensions are only theory, but it is theory which is being mathematically tested and confirmed. if you research brane theory you will find that it almost perfectly matchs the description of the spirit world. (continued)
@sexyAllen4u as for space travel mentioned among the hindu, the summarians, the mayans, just to name a few. we have not yet masterred space travel as we have only made it as far as the moon, yet there is a stagering amount of evidence to suggest alien visitation. on stop of that, science is now looking at theorically ways to achieve interstellar space travel. yet the hindu, and other culutres around the world, knew about this 7000 years ago. remind again how religion has no evidence?
@kradrol I consider all religion misinformed. They ALL claim to know the truth above anyone else. Your just one of the many! But they are making positive claims with absolutely no evidence!! None!! Zilch! Zero!! Get over yourself!! You are too arrogant! You don't even have the decency to admit defeat. You'll just keep carrying it on. And like I said, you have no LOGICAL reason to believe!
@sexyAllen4u you claim all religion has no evidence. explain then how the prophet joseph smith know about parallel dimensions exsisting here on earth in 1830, while scientists are just in the last few years discorying that. explain how hindus knew about interstellar space travel in 5000 bc. religions have no evidence? yeah, ok. whatever you say...........
@kradrol All you have demonstrated was the reason why I choose to not be willfully ignorant by choosing and dogmatically accepting a certain and specific ideal. You have shown me further through this debate the reason why I cannot just accept what people say and biased beliefs and a certain and specific holy book of choice as a means to attain absolute knowledge. You have been TOLD to believe. You haven't been given a logical reason to. And u try to rationalize it. Smh
@sexyAllen4u I have been giving reason to believe, as I have previously atested too. I explain that reasons why I believe, and it has nothing to do with being born into a certain church. and you still demonstrate a complete inablity to understand my points, as your comments are refuting arbatrary biases that most christians have, rather then specifically refuting what I am saying. you choose to accept all religion is absolutely wrong, simply becuase it is a religion. that is a blanket statement.
@kradrol I never made the positive claim that God does not exist. Dont put words in my mouth.That claim requires proof. I have no proof of if God does or doesnt exist either. So I will not make a decision in favor of either claim until there's evidence to prove whichever claim. I'm an agnostic/atheist.
@kradrol When you take on the belief of some God beyond nature you are taking on willful ignorance. We already know that we DONT KNOW what was before the big bang. So we don't assume God did it either. Just because it can't currently be explained doesn't mean there isn't an explanation.
@sexyAllen4u "Just because it can't currently be explained doesn't mean there isn't an explanation." no it will appear that it means MY explanation of things is incorrect becuase YOU do not personally believe it. basicaly what it boils down to is that you can't except that there is a smarter being in the universe then you. and that smarter being, who created us, just say happens to want to help us too. that simple concept is beyond your understanding.
@kradrol You have not demonstrated how you could turn evil into being something good, or of benefit to mankind. If you feel as though you were correct on that subject(which I choose not to discuss anymore) then that's fine. Doesn't make God exist anymore than he already does. And I have explained that God caused the future by creating all things and it's evil because he KNEW what would happen as a result.
@sexyAllen4u "You have not demonstrated how you could turn evil into being something good, or of benefit to mankind." oh but I have, several times in fact. I have argued that evil causes growth, both personally and as a species as a whole. I have referenced natural selection as an illustration of that point. I have also shown that without evil we couldn't have good, which you agreed with. yet you still continue to deny the benefits of evil, simply becuase evil is evil. that's circular reasoning
@kradrol I said I DOUBT he exists. Any creator man claims to have an emotional relationship with I DOUBT!! I have no reason to believe it. And being open minded is accepting the POSSIBILITY. NOT believing it before you have reason to!
@kradrol Believing before having evidence is not open minded. It's naive! Just because something may be possible(due to my lack of knowledge) doesn't mean it is to be believed. You need REASON to believe it.
@sexyAllen4u believing before having evidence is not naive. blindly turning from evidence and holding to your claim, or willfully ignoring proven facts is naive. now for your next attack (which you will turn too) there is no more evidence that god doesn't exsist, then there is that he does exsist. I have studied both sides, and there is always evidence to counter one side or the other. if anythin the evidence leans more towards that the fact that he does exsist (continue)
put an end to ur pointless life. a 3rd grader could make a vid like this. bravo.
TriggerFRESH 3 weeks ago
God does not affect the natural word to instill faith no matter what.
XxadrenalinjunkyxX 3 weeks ago
Fantastic!
LiverpoolBro 3 weeks ago
have u seen god?i havent seen him so im sure he doesnt exist
viglianti37 1 month ago
haha love the ending, anyways, why did god created you from the first place? to test you from what when he knows all your choice, on top of that what does god want from me, testing me from what? when he has test billionssssssss people and still want to test more for what for hope? hope for what to become a better human? when he knows it all? ermmm okay am done here loool CHIWAWAAA!!
akaoshi1 1 month ago
We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.
sorrow128 1 month ago
He allows u to make choices. U control ur life, but he places challenges in ur way to help steer u, but u are in control of the car, and him, of the stoplights and turns
KCKproductionsTV 1 month ago
@KCKproductionsTV Challenges in your way... like say... your 12 year old dying of leukemia. Get the fuck out of here with that bullhockey.
V0nAnglesmith 1 month ago
@KCKproductionsTV "he places challenges in your way to help steer you" so what you're saying is that god interferes with us on earth? Yet again that is not what your little book says.
ausername182 4 hours ago
God is all good because he redeems, we can repent. He is loving. He dosnt punish us, but he allows satan to. We use our free will to either sin or not
KCKproductionsTV 1 month ago
What is love without justice!!! Love without justice is nothing!!!
dannywizz 4 months ago
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IwillhonorGod 5 months ago
Atheists are down to earth unlike Christians...
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Weather patterns and dog attacks are not chance. If they were, science would not be able to predict any natural disasters, nor would we have guidelines on what to do when confronted by a bear in the woods. If you would like a good explanation on how these fit into a Christian world view read C.S Lewis' apologetics.
jjj2084 6 months ago
God can have a plan for us without interfering with free will. God's plan are chioces that He would like us to make, people make the choice to go against God's plan everyday, when we do this God redeems our failures for good.
jjj2084 6 months ago
The arguement at 1:48 is flawed. Saying that someone can choose to take a path does not mean that the person will in fact do that. It is just an option. If God knows theo will take the left path the fact that theo COULD take the right path does not make God wrong as theo is still going to take the left path. Foreknowledge does not defeat choice. Theo's definition of omniscience is wrong, God knows what all of our choices will be.
jjj2084 6 months ago
God does exist but he does not know our heart.
209Hmooblis 6 months ago
@209Hmooblis So he is "sorta-kinda "all-knowing?
obijan42 4 months ago
@obijan42 I believe he put us here to see if our heart will blossom.
209Hmooblis 4 months ago
i disagree with the second premise on free will, knowing something is gonna happen is not the same thing as controlling it,but creating something you knew would do something to an extent is
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 Don't forget that he is also supposed to be the creator of everything. And he know what everything and everybody is going to do beforehand, right? So why did he create millions of people, knowing full well that they were going to "sin", and then wipe them out with a global flood? Sadistic much?
obijan42 4 months ago
@obijan42 i know i do agree with that.That is what the 2nd part of my comment addresses
But i went to a xtian forum and it is apparently so we can have the choice to do it anyways, whether it ends bad or not.
Yeah i know, they also said the tree of knowledge was so that adam can have the choice to disobey god.
sailornaruto39 4 months ago
@sailornaruto39 that does not make a lick of sense. Either he knows beforehand what people will do or not. The deity can predict the future exactly, or not. There is no third option.
obijan42 4 months ago
@obijan42 you know this isn't me presenting that argument, nor do i think it makes sense either right?
sailornaruto39 4 months ago
@sailornaruto39 On the interwebs, you never know :) Just calling out the BS when I see it!
obijan42 4 months ago
@obijan42 yeah
sailornaruto39 4 months ago
Good and evil doenst exist. is only a expression. The only think o make us bad people or good people, is the culture and morals o make us thing, the differences. We don't born stupid, idiot or other thing, we don't know anything what is live, is a strange nature for the babyes, we don't know nothing.
But about the video, i think is right, no one knows what the future have, and change second be second. if god knows what comes to the future, is like matrix the movie, they program our lives.
Play671 6 months ago
Okay you were wrong on the very first argument, God wouldn't punish a soldier for doing his mission. And if you believe in God or not, we are still ALL going to die one day. So why does it matter if we believe or not?
loves2trollu 6 months ago
@loves2trollu dude it doesnt matter killing someone is in the 10 commandment's jackass u dont do it no matter what suposably ur seuposed to embrace death urself not cause it and people still cause death and belive they will be loved for it
MineCraftMrMoo 6 months ago
For rape, there could've been a pic of a Japanese porno just to be consistent.
roxyosox122 6 months ago
No tenemos como acceder a estos vídeos, en realidad si, pero están en ingles y son pocos los que los traducen al español.
Empoderoxis 6 months ago
Great video...good arguments
skinnydog131 6 months ago
This should be called 'proof that god does not exist relating to christian beliefs'... the knowledge of other religions this video is based on seems pretty misinformed..
funny video nevertheless
slugabedmiz 7 months ago
My YEC roommate has an interesting answer: That God creates the broad brushstrokes of our lives, but leaves it up to us how we handle the details. How this is supposed to work, beats me, but ah, He IS God, LOL!
DoctorNociceptor 7 months ago
@DoctorNociceptor
He perfectly fits into the category of people who invent excuses for god.
beatdatflow 7 months ago
A more realistic ending is that Theo went to the "Answers in Genesis" website, memorized all the answers and spewed then out robotically so his fundie friends wouldn't reject him!
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warriorpoetforgod 7 months ago
Read "The Reason for God" by Timothy Keller. It answers everything that is said in the video above. If you don't want to read it, it's your fault you remain ignorant.
warriorpoetforgod 7 months ago
Other questions to add: Could god have created a place where there is freewill but no evil? If he can't what is heaven like? Why is having free will more important to god than stopping evil? If the act of allowing free will also allows evil to exist, didn't god do an evil thing by enacting this system? Is death evil? God knows ahead of your birth how your life will turn out. Why create you at all to end up in hell? Why not kill you before you mess up? Answers on a postcard...
sigmata0 7 months ago
Because God is also FAIR and JUST....this is why the UNRIGHTEOUS ARE PUNISHED. What would you think of a Federal Judge who allowed convicted murderers and rapists to go free and unpunished because he was "all good"? Would you also say he was FAIR and JUST?
bornagain001 7 months ago
@bornagain001 Over your head...
buffdaddy3144 7 months ago
you make me sad!
panosglm1 8 months ago
... hmmm.... when will people realize debunking bad theory and bad arguments is not equal to proving the nonexistence of an object or an entity... only the flawed nature of the theory. More Agumentum ad logicam.
leemate123 8 months ago
I can prove God is real. I found the Garden of Eden He created. Look at my Videos.
downyourtube 8 months ago
Athiesm is right.
HailinJune 8 months ago
supposedly there god is all knowing, all powerful, blah blah blah and supposidly we have free will, so if there god is all knowing then it would know what every human on earth is going to do before they do it so its not really free will, its pre determined. im glad i dont believe that shit.
trampledone 8 months ago
ops sorry for the trinity of post!
archiecat707 9 months ago
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I don't accept your ideas of Omniscense...many christians don't have a problem with that. It's called Open Thiesm. The fundamentalist ideas about god is a reflection of their ideas. A good god and suffering in the world accounts for a great deal of discussion among folks of all persuasions...it only proves we agree it's a problem.
archiecat707 9 months ago
I don't accept your ideas of Omniscense...many christians don't have a problem with that. It's called Open Thiesm. The fundamentalist ideas about god is a reflection of their ideas. A good god and suffering in the world accounts for a great deal of discussion among folks of all persuasions...it only proves we agree it's a problem.
archiecat707 9 months ago
I don't accept your ideas of Omniscense...many christians don't have a problem with that. It's called Open Thiesm. The fundamentalist ideas about god is a reflection of their ideas. A good god and suffering in the world accounts for a great deal of discussion among folks of all persuasions...it only proves we agree it's a problem.
archiecat707 9 months ago
Science has shown that the Natural World View is correct. There is no God. The magic man in the sky has been replaced with knowledge provide by science and viewed with logic and reason.
craigsmith248 9 months ago
proof of "god": the eternal platonic forms
whydoineedmoney 9 months ago
hey so your saying noahs ark is a myth because they have evidence, they found the ark in turkey
Krincify 9 months ago
Ridiculous, it says in the bible that God gives free will. This means that though God knows the choices that you will make, he did not decide for anyone. People make the decision to operate rationally or irrationally. You as a human being have the option to go left or right, which you that you decide to go is ultimately up to you alone.
chica0616 9 months ago
@chica0616 How and when exactly did God give humans free will?
And even if we suppose he did, we are punished if we don't follow ALL of his commands. Then free will is just a word and not something you're actually supposed to exercise.
As I read it we are free do do his bidding under threat of eternal damnation. That is the same freedom we see in a dictatorship!
auritone 9 months ago
in other words....THERE IS NO WAY WE COULD EVER KNOW THE TRUTH AS OF RIGHT NOW
deth2uall9277 9 months ago
both possiblislties can ever exist at the same time-it cannot understand what its like to be all powerful. but if god exists and is all powerful, then I would find it also likely that he can allow both free will and 100% premonitions to exist, just not in a way or with any reason that we can comprehend. understand?
deth2uall9277 9 months ago
Like, if he is all powerful ( a characteristic that truly No one can relate to) is it not a possibility that the truth of his existence can thwart a human perception, understanding, and analysis of him? If God DOES exist, and he is all powerful, than is it not believable that he found a way to see into the future AND allow free will....see human logic says its not possible, because it cannot understand how
deth2uall9277 9 months ago
One thing I don't get, and I say this not as an advocate of biblical stories or anything, just as an advocate of open mind and knowledge. If God is a being who is all powerful, all knowing, and all good, how could any human logic ever trump him.
deth2uall9277 9 months ago
I love the reference to god by naming that guy ´theo´ ;)
bommobiel 10 months ago
Get behind us satan
jimbojones091 10 months ago
I think the reason god has disasters is to bring out the good in people or a test of faith
burke2432 10 months ago
@burke2432 Let me tell you a secret: God doesn´t exist.
bommobiel 10 months ago
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realinformation71 10 months ago
lol spell check fail
MorrisonEnterprise 11 months ago
Free will vs omniscience:
'God knows what you do, so you didn't choose it'
If I knew you were going to choose to have a sandwich for lunch, does that mean I made you choose it? Uh, no.
The 'All Good' wouldn't punish people to hell argument:
Since Adam and Eve, we are ALL sinners (including the pope and Gandhi and myself and you). We are not punished by God for our sins, but punished for not repenting those sins.
I could continue to flaw all your logic, but I know I'm only wasting my time.
cherryblossom39 11 months ago
@cherryblossom39 Shut up and start worship somethings worth worshiping and exist!
KarlBakke97 10 months ago
@KarlBakke97 Great defensive argument, you have completely changed my views on religion, thanks. >.> This video is a great example of how stupid atheists can be. If you seriously can't see the flaws in his reasoning, you're not yet ready to determine if there is or isn't a God. There are some great points that really question Gods existence but this video has none of them. He starts out with one idea, that's wrong, then builds his whole argument out of it. Come on guys, let's do some thinking!
cherryblossom39 9 months ago
@cherryblossom39 Im the one who is stupid your the idiot that belive in god -.- You cant prove that he exist, and thats like saying that it does not exist! Lets say i write some meaningless pomes with some moral and but it in a book and call it some stupid name. and there it says that god is a fluffy pink ball who fly around us just that he is to great for the human eye to see. and some people try to convince to me that its not real... then i can say "you cant prove thats he dont" stupid right?
KarlBakke97 9 months ago
these 3 vids explain things to everyone i explained this to my freinds who were christian and now there they are now i still cant get evan to budge though hes stubborn he carries a bible around in school for -->gods sake<-- just a phrase
robloxrocksful 11 months ago
Yoy never mention the fallen angel LUCIFER in this. There are books about why satan is allowed to exist.
Searchinganswers 11 months ago
As an atheist, I wish people would be more accurate of religion. Religion isn't hard to rip apart. Be fair about it.
God can be all knowing and we can still have free will (even though I consider free will to not exist). Knowing what we do and forcing what we do are two entirely different things.
God allows us to make the choice. Even though it could lead to damnation, God gave humans the choice. We make the choice
Again, I am an atheist. Just saying, be fair to religion. Then tear it apart.
Kruezoraxe 11 months ago
lol funny but the free will argument is a fallacy. Free will can exist while God knows all of the choices a person will make since God is not bound by time. It'd be like playing the Sims and the people can do whatever they want but you can fastforward and rewind time. To explain why bad things happen, it would take a long time but I can do it. But in short it's all about the ending. And for the list of bad things you listed you should have included kesha! I'm pretty sure she's the devil D:
endrake2 11 months ago
@endrake2 except you do not fully appreciate the concept omnipotent.Or simply super powerfull totally capable of doing everything unparaleled and beyond the imagination of men.this is knowledge you get shuffed down your throat at young age even if you come from an atheist family and society.so lets never forget what EXACTLY is being suggested.This should instantly connect you to the conclusion that god has no restraints. So do we really have to explain what he is capable off to theists?
TheWeeaboo 11 months ago
this video really made me thinkk. i go to church every Wednesday and Sunday, but for the past couples years I've really been struggling with the whole religion and god thing.. I'm still really torn. so if anyone could help me or give advice or even suggest a book or something to help me figure this all out, I would really, really appreciate it..
CyrahRSL09 11 months ago
@CyrahRSL09 I'd suggest you read the sacred text of another (different) religion to your own. Once you see how ridiculous that religion looks, you'll be able to see why they're all equally ridiculous.
burkeyatm 11 months ago
@burkeyatm I have read the sacred texts of other religions, and I don't think they are rediculous and I don't think mine is either.
endrake2 11 months ago
@CyrahRSL09 I wish I had advice but being atheist doesnt mean Im more potential than anyone else.if anything Im just a dumbass.All I can say is that the love that your god could give resides in us humans.So lets try to go for 1 common goal we can all believe in and feel free to critizise at times. Because life is a miracle but it wasnt designed by a deity. And lets face it armaegedon(the rupture -.-) is supposedly near if it wont come well need a place to start off with, science will do for now.
TheWeeaboo 11 months ago
@CyrahRSL09 I suggest "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. Really well written, explains a lot of thing, and if you want you can listen to some lectures and debates he's had, my favorite one was "Growing Up In the Universe", it's right here on YouTube. You are very courageous for questioning your religion, I know how hard it must be. Good luck with everything, even though I don't think luck exists! Haha!
PachikaInTheFagBox 9 months ago
ATHEISM FTW
iamgiantman 11 months ago
i was losing an fight over FB chat and i said watch this to my cristians friend and after he just said... fuck you.
blade3337 1 year ago
the christian definition of god is flawed, I agree. But put it this way: remember when you were a child, and you parents punished you when you did something bad? And at the time it seemed like they were mean and awful, but now as an adult, you can see that they were trying to teach you how to behave. Well, i think that in some huge cosmic way, god does the same thing. Sure it seems horrible when we're being punished, but once we die and get perspective, it makes sense
Tardis1217 1 year ago
@Tardis1217 Ok... lets do this... give me your address, I will come over and "murder" you (or someone you dearly love), and thus this will teach everyone that watches this youtube video that giving out your personal details over the web can have negative consequences.
Right... coz that's not evil... hence breaking the rule about being 'all good'
slavj 1 year ago
god is real
fucktheNAACP 1 year ago
@fucktheNAACP Proof god is real please.
Mswordx23 11 months ago
@Mswordx23 Our moral compass. Please explain how humans (alone) have morals and how we got them by any other means than a God. If it wasn't by God, it would have had to evolved with our species. But morals aren't beneficial, in fact they keep humans from truly getting ahead in life. So wouldn't the first humans born with morals have gone extinct trying to compete against humans without morals fighting like animals to survive and reproduce?
cherryblossom39 9 months ago
@cherryblossom39 Here's a few staples of morality and how they cause a species to prosper:
Stealing Is Wrong: If everyone stole from each other, it would create belligerence within a population
Lying Is Wrong: A society can only prosper if everyone tells the truth. "Where is the food?" "By the tree over there." If the first speaker was lying, it would create belligerence
Killing Is Wrong: Well duh. Animals must live to reproduce
Cheating on your spouse is Wrong: To prevent overpopulation.
Mswordx23 9 months ago
@fucktheNAACP nope
aaronjs4 7 months ago
I'll read about Jonathan Gray and get back to you on that.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
but you aren't even talkin about the right artifact. you are focusing solely on ron wyatt, and completely ignore johnathan gray. can you tell me anything about johnathan gray? is his archeologalical career being called into question too? I agree with you that ron wyatt nothing more then an attention seeking fraud, but he wasn't the only one looking for these chariot wheels.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol My case isn't against the Exodus.i disbelieve that entire story. It's against the claims put on the artifact.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@kradrol No you got it ALL wrong! Bring forth the wheel! Get all your facts together! I will not accept this story as true because there are too many elements missing. Mainly the artifact in question. It should be cross examined. Leave where all can examine, accept, or logically refute. And did u skip the part where it says "atleast in ONE case"? U know why evo is accepted all throughout science? Because it's been tested many times and proven itself many times. Not just in "ONE case."
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u but in this case all I needed as ONE case. ONE artifact. if you can't explain away that ONE wheel, then you have no case against the exodius. I didn't think it would be that hard either.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol You take that little bit of information and conclude that it's true. Someone claimed to find the very wheel from a chariot used to chase the Egyptians-you believe it. Someone, or group claimed to have authenticated it-you believe it. No current evidence to show for it-you still believe it. I doubt. I doubt your God, and I doubt every story pertaining to your God. Show me something and maybe I could take it into consideration.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u "Show me something and maybe I could take it into consideration." why should I believe that at all. I showed you a clip from an article which stated that scientific authorities have comfired that on atlesat one case they found a wheel dating to the time of exodius, at the bottom of the red sea. rather then coming up with a retort such as "well that just shows that the egyptains had chariots" you opt for the "nu-uh. that didnt' happen" approach. (continued)
kradrol 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u again I demonstrate that a modren day scientific theory, which has tested evidence behind it, was taught by a prophet 180 years about. again your retort is "nu-uh" you say "well that hasn't been proven yet, so it doesn't count" so unless bring the wheel spoke to your house and have a scientist YOU hand select run carbon dating on it you will NEVER believe any article, website, or even results sheet. THAT is how you are just as bad as any religion.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol Oh you have now??? So what facts have you presented that proves the existence of the very God you believe in? And no Atheists are NOTHING like religion. We need evidence period. Our beliefs change as more evidence presents itself and makes more sense. You have not backed what you said with evidence. Your attempt in that was trying to say "they" found a wheel of THE chariot chasing the Egyptians. Yet no one can find it and you don't even know WHO authenticated it!
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@kradrol Ummm no...it's not the same. See I can back my arguments up with facts and evidence and logical explanations. Your only backing for your arguments are in a certain and specific book, not supported by anything other than it's followers. It's not the same. And my beliefs are not as dogmatic and naively accepted as religious beliefs are. So when I tell you your wrong, I can demonstrate why. That's why my beliefs are accepted in schools and laws.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u "And my beliefs are not as dogmatic and naively accepted as religious beliefs" you wanna run that one by me again. you have openly denied evidence I have presented. evidence which has been documented and varified by scientific authorities. and still you deny the claim becuase it doesn't fit into your view of the universe. atheists are just as indoctrinated and dogmatic as any given religion. (continued)
kradrol 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u and yes, it is the same. you say you hate religious aploogetics tellng you that you are wrong, and you should think the way they do. I have backed up everything I have said with facts, not just apologetics and bible verses. I have brought up scientific facts, clercognisence, ancient culutres, etc. and still you say "you just have the bible and nothing else" why are ignoring the facts I have brought up?
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol If that's what you want to believe, cool. But don't go around tellin other people they're wrong and your beliefs are right. Facts work better.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u I hate to point this out to you, but from the start you have been the one telling me that I am way, and my religion is stupid, and I shouldn't believe in anything until I can prove it. you are doing the same thing you just condemned religions for doing.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol I never said I don't respect your beliefs. I just can't stand when religion tries to enforce it's views in our schools and law. I hate that shit with a passion. Mainly because their views are not shared yet they say they know it to be true when the truth is they don't know. And because of that,radically different beliefs clash and thus we have civil disputes, wars, and international confusion.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@kradrol I really don't care. This life I have here is the one I'm worried about. I live a good life because I want to be a good example for others. I do not wait for an award in the after life. I live this life as if it were my last because most likely it is.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u I can respect that. so why can't you respect my decision to live how I have choosen?
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol Sounds like it's better to not believe.lol
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u you are judged on a lower standard, but as such your reward in heaven will not be as great. you still won't go to hell, but you will have a lesser reward.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol But my actions as an unbeliever are different than what I would do as a religious person. For one, I totally don't agree with sex only after marriage. If it works for some then cool. But not me. And I don't need no person i can't see tellin me I can't or shouldn't!
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u sex before marriage isn't bad for you. just like drinking isn't bad for you. yes, your actions are different, but so is the standard you will be judged by.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol as long as u view the doubt as reasonable then I have no problem with that. Many people think because we doubt that as love Satan, or we're automatically immoral, and most famously, we're going to hell.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u I don't believe that at all. there are many rational reasons not to believe in god, and that doesn't mean you love satan, or that you are going to hell. my church teaches that heaven and hell are based apong your actions, not which god you choose. that sounds more like a all loving god then anything else I have seen from any other religion.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol Is that what you know? Or just what you believe?
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u i believe that god is a sentient being. no, I don't know for a fact, as I have no seen him face to face. I know beyond reasonible doubt that he is a sentient all knowing being.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol And if the big bang sounds divine to you then that's cool. Your perception. Doesn't make it true but I guess it's something to hope for.lol I won't tag a God to it if I don't know for sure it was. I do know that energy according to the laws of thermodynamics, cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. Would you say that energy is God?
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u I would say that energy has godlike properties, but god is not energy, he is a sentient being.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol I wanted to see what your answer was. You believe after that ONE instance where this missing wheel was authenticated, that it is indeed authentic, even though it has not stood through scrutiny. I just wanted to make sure that you didn't deny evolution or the big bang because the scientific community unanimously supports it. So if you could believe this 1 little authority group of archeologists, there's no way you could deny the entire scientific community.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@kradrol Authorities?? Who were the authorities?? And do you believe that we evolved? Or just simply created? Do you believe in the big bang or just God speaking everything into existence?
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u I am assuming the authorities are the national archeological society, but I could be wrong. as for evolution or the big bang I fail to see what that has to do with a sunken wheel spoke, but ok I will answer. I believe life on this planet evolved. I believe god guided the evolutionary process every step of the way. I believe homo-specian did not evolve from apes, but rather along side them as a seperate species. (continued)
kradrol 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u now as for the big bang, which as best we can tell was everything exsists being spontaniously generated from nothing in a gaint explosion, that already sounds like divine creation. how is such a huge leaps to think that something which defies all scientific explaination could come from a superior being. I also fail to see why you brought it up at all. are you going to mention the higs bozon particle next?
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol How can you say it is authentic if there is no trace of the chariot wheel? Do you personally believe that claim?
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u appearently you didn't read the last sentence like I told you too. "who have documented artifacts that in at least one case authorities have confirmed to be a chariot wheel dating to the time of the Exodus."
THAT is how I can believe the claim. you a speaking specifically about the chariot wheel found by ron wyatt. I am speaking about the chariot wheel which authorities confirmed dated to the time of exodus. it says right there that they found atleast one of those.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol The chariot wheel couldn't even be radiocarbon dated due to the choral. There is too much missing(especially the artifact itself)to jump to conclusions and pin point it directly to that story. And now their government won't even allow archeologists to pull any artifacts from the red sea. Damn! That sucks! I wonder why....
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u "The chariot wheel couldn't even be radiocarbon dated due to the choral." then how can we date other artifacts found underwater? I know they do it all the time. does the red sea have special coral that no one else has? and couldn't you just date the coral deposits themselves? why can we tell how long moss has been on a tree, but we can't say how long coral has been on a wheel spokes? (continued)
kradrol 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u "And now their government won't even allow archeologists to pull any artifacts from the red sea. Damn! That sucks! I wonder why...." I don't know. but I would say it's similliar to the reason the chinesse government won't let people investigate the baigong pipes. or the bolivian government not allowing people to excavate the sunken city of winauko. (not exact on the spelling) egypt isn't the only place to close research on archeological sites, and in most causes it's political.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol Ron Wyatt was an amateur archeologist. He claimed to have found Noah's ark, the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, the location of Sodom And Gomorrah, the Tower of Babel, the true site of Mt. Sinai, the true site of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the original stones of the Ten Commandments. No wonder he became rich and famous! Sadly he is considered by many(even members of the church) as a fraud.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@kradrol It is just heresay sir. I've already read that article. And that "chariot wheel"dissappeared! How ironic.... And let's say if it was a chariot wheel...how do you figure it was the chariot wheel mentioned in the Moses story? How do you automatically percieve it to be that way and not think of other possibilities, like a boat carrying chariots that probably dropped some parts? Simple! Because your only concerned with YOUR truth being THE truth!!
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u I am not saying that is the only possiblity, I am saying that is A possiblity. and a pssiblity that the evidence supports. and you have already made your feelings toward ron wyatt well known, but what about jonathan gray? have you ever even heard of him? is it possible that HIS chariot wheel was the one that as authenticated? (conitinued)
kradrol 1 year ago
"The 38-year-old forklift mechanic from Keynsham, England, traveled to the region with his brother, Mark, after being inspired by videos of explorers Ron Wyatt and Jonathan Gray, who have documented artifacts that in at least one case authorities have confirmed to be a chariot wheel dating to the time of the Exodus."
I can provided you a link if you'd like, but I want you to read that last sentence again, I think it's the most important part.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol Im a man of many trades. Don't think because I have chosen a career in reaL estate that means I don't study and research history and science. The greatest thing about real estate is it allows me to have more free time! I do my own research, not just rely on others for theirs. That's what helped me finally release myself from my dogmatic acceptance of religion. Studying for myself! And the chariot wheels are now nowhere to be found. They have not been authenticated.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@kradrol No I decided that it was false because it lacks real EVIDENCE!!!! Something you do not to much care about! If it was true then his archeological findings could stand up to intense scrutiny which in his case, has not. Stop laying claim on things your not sure about! I will catch you every time and correct you every time!
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u "Stop laying claim on things your not sure about! I will catch you every time and correct you every time!" so you are claiming that it was ron wyatt who found the chariot wheels. mmm. last I checked the chariot wheels were authenticated. you should also watch the show "exodus decoded" they have lost of evidence you will have fun correcting them on. we all know that a 25 year old real estate developer knows more then a career archeologist and historian.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol Have you ever began to think that they just might not be monotheists?? How many Gods they serve does not matter!! They probably fit a God to different purposes. None have any evidence. Just like yours! Hmm that's something both of your religions strongly share in common.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u I can accept that they aren't monotheists, I can even accept that a polytheist religion could be correct, and multiple gods created the universe. the thing that turned me off hindu is that whenever a new religion pops up they say "oh yeah, he is one of our gods too"
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol Let me ask, who found the chariot wheels at the bottom of the red sea? It wouldn't of happened to be Ron Wyatt would it?? The same one who claimed to find Noah's Ark?? Omg...your hopeless!! You DO NOT care for the truth! You only want YOUR truth to be true!! And you will go up and down searching for evidence to support what you already believe!! Totally backwards man! Don't you see that??
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@kradrol "If brane theory is ever confirmed" Ok and what if it's not?? Your already crediting John Smith for theories that have not yet been proven! And then you will take his claims over the hindu's who you yourself claimed to know of space travel thousands of years ago! But yet you don't lend credence to their God! Just stop and learn to better develop your debating skills. You put your foot in your mouth too many times!
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u first off, I didn't lend credence to the hindu god becuase they can't make up their mind who their god is. they have over 1000 different gods, and they keep adding new ones. second, don't actually know the name of the acheologists that found chariot wheels at the bottom of the red sea. it's been along time since I was able to properly research them. it could be true, could be false, but you have decided already that it is false, just becuase it is religious. now that is backwards.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol And brane theory suggests that there are an infinite amount of parallel universes, and that we could not percieve the others with our senses. It's a cool theory, but until we could find evidence to put up to scrutiny then we cannot put it past just a theory. So saying that ancient civilization KNEW about it thousands of years ago is hogwash! They probably imagined it, but nothing suggests it is reality. And none of it suggests that the Christian God is the creator!
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u you fail to understand one very important fact. if brane theory is ever confirmed it will prove that joseph smith had scientific knowledge 180 years before any accreditted scholar. knowledge he claims to have come from the christian god. so in fact it DOES point to the christian god, as he is the one being creditted for this advanced knowledge. secondly, they is one other point I must clearify before closing this topic. (continue)
kradrol 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u you are interrupting "religious evidence" to mean things like prayer stories, personal experiences, testomonies, etc. but when I said "religious evidence" I was referring to unbiased scientific evidence that happens to lend credence to a current religion. (such as finding egyptian chariot wheels on the bottom of the red sea, or finding horse bones in indian caves in north american) you don't research such claims, you just right them off as "that couldn't happen"
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol No I don't look for RELIGIOUS evidence at all! I look for non partial unbiased scientifical evidence. So hopefully that clears that up. Nothing you have said has lead to the belief that a supernatural deity created all of this. And that definately doesn't point narrowly to your Christian God at all. The farthest you could go with this little bit of knowledge is deism. Like I said, your logic is twisted. You believe first, then look for evidence to validify your beliefs.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@kradrol Its called math sir. And this is only a theory with insufficient evidence to prove to be true. There's a lot more study that needs to be done before we could validate the claims of brane theory. We have no idea if a 4th dimension exists. And if it did we still can't assume that's where some deity dwells. But it's a good theory, and if provided sufficient evidence it could naturally explain the cause to the big bang and what was before the BB.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u ok..........clearly you did no research into brane, as it doesn't mention a 4th dimension, and has almost nothing to do with the big bang, but rather why gravity is so much weaker then the other universal constants. however, this does explain why you are so quick to dismiss the idea of religious evidence. you don't do research into the validity of any evidence, so it's easy for you not to find any. it all makes total sense now.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol "I know a lot about the spirit world as described by the LDS church" ok and you ever wondered how they know? And as far as space travel goes, if they knew about it 7000 years ago why the hell aren't we traveling through space yet?? You do realize in order for us to do any real traveling through space we have to develop the ability to travel much faster than 186,000 miles per second right? Did they know that?
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u they might have known that, but since we seem intent on destory the knowledge of those we conquer. we simply don't know. that also speak to why we can't travel through space yet. we keep needing to start over after killing off those cultures smarter then us. as for the spirit world described by the LDS church I don't need to wonder how they know about it. god told them about it. now it's your turn. how did they know about the details of brane theory in 1830?
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol What do you know about the spirit world?
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u well that depends. which "spirit world" are you talking about? I know alot about the spirit world as described by the LDS church, but you could be talking about a different "spirit world" all together.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol Umm....what?! Parallel dimensions is only a theory. It has not been proving what the fuck are you smoking?? And why aren't you Hindu then?? And we have not yet traveled space. We've went as far as the moon and that's it. So again...what the fuck are you smoking?!
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@kradrol When you no longer have a logical way to explain your beliefs you assert things on to your belief. No one admits to God creating evil despite what the bible says. I MADE you admit that! Because it was as plain as day in Isaiah. So then you assert your own understanding of it and try to explain it off as being good for mankind! Doesn't the bible say "lean not to thine own understanding"?? Back down bro! Why must you keep throwing yourself out there to look more dumb than the last time??
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u let's talk about isaiah for a second. I conceeded that point becuase it was clear that you didn't have the mental comprehension to grasp abstracted concepts. but now that you bring it up again, good and evil were not "created" they were allowed. much of what isaiah writes is symbolic. yes, some things are litteral, that's why god gives us the spirit of decernment. so now it is a simple matter of pitting your opion against mine. the problem is you can't prove an opion. (continued)
kradrol 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u now that we are past isaiah, (since I assume you too will conceed that it is futile for either side to agrue opionions.) we can move on to what I am talking about with parallel dimensions and space travel. yes, parallel dimensions are only theory, but it is theory which is being mathematically tested and confirmed. if you research brane theory you will find that it almost perfectly matchs the description of the spirit world. (continued)
kradrol 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u as for space travel mentioned among the hindu, the summarians, the mayans, just to name a few. we have not yet masterred space travel as we have only made it as far as the moon, yet there is a stagering amount of evidence to suggest alien visitation. on stop of that, science is now looking at theorically ways to achieve interstellar space travel. yet the hindu, and other culutres around the world, knew about this 7000 years ago. remind again how religion has no evidence?
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol I consider all religion misinformed. They ALL claim to know the truth above anyone else. Your just one of the many! But they are making positive claims with absolutely no evidence!! None!! Zilch! Zero!! Get over yourself!! You are too arrogant! You don't even have the decency to admit defeat. You'll just keep carrying it on. And like I said, you have no LOGICAL reason to believe!
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u you claim all religion has no evidence. explain then how the prophet joseph smith know about parallel dimensions exsisting here on earth in 1830, while scientists are just in the last few years discorying that. explain how hindus knew about interstellar space travel in 5000 bc. religions have no evidence? yeah, ok. whatever you say...........
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol All you have demonstrated was the reason why I choose to not be willfully ignorant by choosing and dogmatically accepting a certain and specific ideal. You have shown me further through this debate the reason why I cannot just accept what people say and biased beliefs and a certain and specific holy book of choice as a means to attain absolute knowledge. You have been TOLD to believe. You haven't been given a logical reason to. And u try to rationalize it. Smh
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u I have been giving reason to believe, as I have previously atested too. I explain that reasons why I believe, and it has nothing to do with being born into a certain church. and you still demonstrate a complete inablity to understand my points, as your comments are refuting arbatrary biases that most christians have, rather then specifically refuting what I am saying. you choose to accept all religion is absolutely wrong, simply becuase it is a religion. that is a blanket statement.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol I never made the positive claim that God does not exist. Dont put words in my mouth.That claim requires proof. I have no proof of if God does or doesnt exist either. So I will not make a decision in favor of either claim until there's evidence to prove whichever claim. I'm an agnostic/atheist.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@kradrol When you take on the belief of some God beyond nature you are taking on willful ignorance. We already know that we DONT KNOW what was before the big bang. So we don't assume God did it either. Just because it can't currently be explained doesn't mean there isn't an explanation.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u "Just because it can't currently be explained doesn't mean there isn't an explanation." no it will appear that it means MY explanation of things is incorrect becuase YOU do not personally believe it. basicaly what it boils down to is that you can't except that there is a smarter being in the universe then you. and that smarter being, who created us, just say happens to want to help us too. that simple concept is beyond your understanding.
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol You have not demonstrated how you could turn evil into being something good, or of benefit to mankind. If you feel as though you were correct on that subject(which I choose not to discuss anymore) then that's fine. Doesn't make God exist anymore than he already does. And I have explained that God caused the future by creating all things and it's evil because he KNEW what would happen as a result.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u "You have not demonstrated how you could turn evil into being something good, or of benefit to mankind." oh but I have, several times in fact. I have argued that evil causes growth, both personally and as a species as a whole. I have referenced natural selection as an illustration of that point. I have also shown that without evil we couldn't have good, which you agreed with. yet you still continue to deny the benefits of evil, simply becuase evil is evil. that's circular reasoning
kradrol 1 year ago
@kradrol I said I DOUBT he exists. Any creator man claims to have an emotional relationship with I DOUBT!! I have no reason to believe it. And being open minded is accepting the POSSIBILITY. NOT believing it before you have reason to!
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@kradrol Believing before having evidence is not open minded. It's naive! Just because something may be possible(due to my lack of knowledge) doesn't mean it is to be believed. You need REASON to believe it.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u believing before having evidence is not naive. blindly turning from evidence and holding to your claim, or willfully ignoring proven facts is naive. now for your next attack (which you will turn too) there is no more evidence that god doesn't exsist, then there is that he does exsist. I have studied both sides, and there is always evidence to counter one side or the other. if anythin the evidence leans more towards that the fact that he does exsist (continue)
kradrol 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u the on