"I will pray for you": Something Christians say or do that meets absolutely no real need whatsoever, but still makes them feel like they did something. (eases their conscience)
@Awesomeoneofawesome Hold it right there, we're not talking about 'the individual' ,more the religion,its practices,what it says as a whole,not individual follows in their wider lives.Believers and non-belivers have always done amazing,wonderful,horrible,clever and stupid things.I don't see a lot of videos by Christians talking about the great works or morally upstanding atheists so why would you come here asking for us to treat you as you as you wish to be treat but not treating us the same way
allow me to rephrase that. I was talking about the positive things said/done/thought by Christians because of their beliefs. Nothing good or bad can come from atheism because their is nothing necessary to being an atheist other than not believing in a god.
@Awesomeoneofawesome I'll do some rephrasing,too .... much good can and has come from not being a believer, much evil can be overcome, avoided and frustrated by those not of faith. It just so happens that this may be done by atheists.
No need for you to rephrase,I understood you and responded.
Just be happy in the knowledge,sorry,belief,that you are going to heven while I,a good dad,hard worker,non adulterer,etc am going to hell.you shoyuld pitty me,not be angry with me,certainly not judge me
When I was young, my mom told me about how she thinks that right before good-intended people become 100% dead, they are given one last chance to be saved. The reason that she thinks that is that when HER dad (who was NOT a Christian) was in the unconscious state before dying, he acted as if he was seeing heaven and being saved.
@Awesomeoneofawesome An interesting story which proves nothing.Millions of cases of delusions,hallucinations etc via hormonal imbalance,heat,lack of water,drugs,etc. Dying is far more dramatic,mix that with fear of death+hope for something else and bingo.Do you think atheists relish the end of life?It would be great if there were more.I'd jump on any evidence that supported it.But fantastic claims require fantastic evidence.Why would god make his presents a matter of dispute for so many&so long?
@Awesomeoneofawesome it harldy seems fair that so many people, honest in their search for the truth arrive at what is for us an obviious conclusion that there is NO evidence for a god(not to say there is no god) ... as obvious to us as it is for you that there IS a god. If god exists,he either greated most of us with mental faculties insuficient to detect his presence OR hid his presence from those of us searching for the truth but unfortunate enough not to have been indoctrinated with it.Unfair
@K4inan hope leads to belief ):, but if you die you will most likely cease to exist, so you would not care about it anymore, only life has meaning so live the best you cant, be the happiest.
@maixck Every man is a spark in the darkness and before he is noticed, he is gone forever, like a retinal after-image; obscured by newer and brighter lights.
Or maybe "I'll pray for you" means there's nothing I can do to stop the spread of your pancreatic cancer, and since I've already brought you meals, cleaned your house, and offered to pick your kids up from their activities, I'll ask God to do what only He can: heal you, or at least give you some measure of comfort and strength. But go on being mean-spirited and closed-minded; atheism has been revealed as quite intolerant, so this is no surprise.
@Sweet92Sue You'd think by now that God would notice we dont like our people dying of cancer and he would just make cancer non-existent, yes? I dont much like it when kids get killed or raped either, can you pray for them so it doesnt happen anymore? Oh, it happens anyways? So why the fuck are you praying?
@Sweet92Sue Just wondering if you stopped watching the video after the first example, or do you agree with the other interpretations, because that's the only one you commented about, and if you did stop watching after the first example that's pretty closed minded wouldn't you agree?
What I love even more than the video is the comments about the video. Thank you, youtube, for once again providing me with endless entertainment provided by theists.
@elnoraemily I know, right? If I can't find a good comedy vid, like Conan O'brien or some random stand up, I'll just search for religious vids! The comments are nearly sure to make you laugh :D
Theists may be completely wrong and ignorant, but hell... They sure know how to entertain!
you are quite entertaining.. but that is it. Nothing more. Not informative. Not intelligent. love the entertainment though. It is like watching someone run into a pole because they were watching someone else rather than where they were walking. Now that is a true comparison
God use to always take my credit. i help an old lady and she says thank god!.
WTF!,i help you how did he came in the picture?, thank me!!... in till i understand that I AM GOD cause i indeed created that action!. sow ever time they says it, i will respond' your welcome lol.
Well man, that's incredibly offensive, but i agree with you on 1 and 4, Christian today is just all talk. But Not everyone that says i'll pray for you have that kind of thinking
for no.2 , i don't even know what's your problem, i think you just like to pick a fight with that statement. In my prayer i included the people that works for it, so?
For 3, i think it's surrendering to God, and let him be the guide, like i said, You just want to pick a fight, that's not a joke, it's stupid.
did anyone else notice the calorie and calorie from fat counts on that nutritional facts sheet at around 1:30? HOLY CRAP what is that thing from? 1 bag (7oz) of what has THAT many calories!?
@unomnacajit111 What if doing a video is actually part of the fun? Oh my i just destroyed your point! Ridiculing ridiculous people with ridiculous beliefs is also part of the fun, and we're not criticising "god" we're criticising the hypocrites believing in it. Do you actually understand now?
Atheists, if you had millions of dollars and knew there is no life after death, wuold you have spent it on producing retarded videos to fight something that doesn't exist or would you be outthere enjoying your little time left ???
Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." We don't see God now but I put my faith in Him because of what He has done for me, given me life on this earth now, given me and you this incredible place and a way to live after death in a perfect place, Heaven. Oh, also, He has given us the Bible to read about what He has done, if you don't believe the bible, that is up to you. As for me, I believe in God even though I can't see Him.
Number 3, I pray that God's will will be done because God is all that is good and won't steer me wrong. I also pray this when asking God to heal a friend because God will answer our prayers, He has a plan and what we may want, like a friend to be healed from cancer, may be against God's will because it is their time. Lastly, God loves all of us, we were all once the sinners. That doesn't mean keep them away from church, it means bring them to church. We need to pray that their eyes are opened.
@evelsteev God exists because I see His creation of the universe and the creatures in it. I don't believe in the Big Bang, something can't come from nothing. Matter cannot be created or destroyed and nothing is not a matter. But God can because He can do anything if He wants too. Speaking of art, think about the picture, the Mona Lisa. Now say I tell you that the colors all came together by chance to form it. You would think I'm crazy! Well, that is how the Big Bang sounds to me.
@NewEarthCitizen how do you KNOW it's HIS creation? Do you have any evidence for this? How do you know Brahma or Allah didn't make it? Belief is just belief, not actual evidence.The big bang is more plausible because it's based on ACTUAL things that reside in the universe, as opposed to bronze age myths about talking snakes. Talk about crazy.
@evelsteev The Big Bang isn't more plausible because of its "origins" AKA nothing. Also I believe in Christianity because it makes the most sense. I don't believe in Allah because they believe Jesus was only a prophet which is dumb because then you would say He was blasphemes, believing He was God which He is, not a prophet so not Islam. Next, Hinduism. I don't believe in Hinduism because of karma, It isn't true. You can do bad things but if you accept Jesus and repent, then you are forgiven.
@NewEarthCitizen How do you KNOW it came from nothing? It might have been the case that matter has always been there, in another form. However CHRISTIANS are the ones who claim that god simply wished things, into existence....from NOTHING. How do you know karma isn't true? You're only CLAIMING these things, not actually providing any evidence. All you're doing is guessing, with nothing to actually back it up.
@evelsteev Well, do you know if it came from something else, I would be glad to here it.
God didn't wish it, He created it, He had an intelligent design behind His whole creation instead of an expansion of nothing into everything you see and the earth being EXACTLY placed where it isn't too hot from the sun or too cold. See also, God can do anything so He can make stuff because He is omniscient, I bet He knows how to make something from nothing because He is God!
@NewEarthCitizen Glad to hear it? I'm still waiting for you to show how you KNOW a god exists, which you haven't. Even if god did actually do it, there's still no evidence for this.
If he created the earth, then why are there 8 other planets that have no life on them. Doesn't sound like "design" because they're not designed for anything. LOL
@evelsteev Goodness. I have proved Him through creation, there is NO way that a universe could put together so perfectly, with beautiful scenery, laws and life by itself. Prove to me it can!
Also, the evidence is in the Bible! Prove to me it isn't legit and I won't use it. Also, why would these people write these book (the books of the prophets and the gospels) and die for what they believe if they knew it to be false when they wrote it? The Bible is my evidence for God.
@NewEarthCitizen How do you know Aliens didn't create the universe? How do you beings from another dimension made this one? You're using the tired Argument from Ignorance: You're ignorant of why the universe is here, so that automatically means god "created" it. NO...IT DOESN'T there are other possibilities. Evidence is when you can actually observe something, not what people write down. Science also produces books, but guess what? THE INFORMATION CAN BE OBSERVED. Talking snakes, however CANNOT.
Aliens created the universe? Really, what evidence? I'm ignorant? You guys always put off the concept that there is a God. I have thought about aliens, yet they have no proof, I have thought about the Big Bang, but how can something come from nothing (and if everything already "was", then why). The Bible gives clear explanation about God and has answers for all the important questions in life and I don't see why they are not right.
@NewEarthCitizen God created? Really, what evidence? You see? It's no different than your non-supported claim. You keep talking about how much you believe, but you still fail to realize (yet again) that your belief is NOT evidence. Imagine if someone said they were a surgeon, and they were going to operate on you, and said they only BELIEVED that they could perform the surgery. Belief and evidence are NOT the same thing.
@evelsteev I am ending the conversation if you don't tell me how the big bang created the universe, how it was real, the evidence behind it and how something can come from nothing.
You are right that a belief isn't evidence but the Bible is evidence, stop putting that off. I don't care that you can't believe a talking snake when God is in the picture, if God is real (which He is) then give me a reason that there couldn't be a talking snake in the first place? How about an afterlife too?
@NewEarthCitizen I already told you, we have evidence of red shift, microwave radiation, and we can recreate the conditions necessary to make another one in the Hardron collider. The evidence is THERE, you just keep ignoring it. Even if the Big Bang were false, it doesn't automatically mean god did it. YOu keep saying god is real, but that's no different than saying Santa Claus is real. Snake don't posses vocal chords. Unless you evidence that one does. Do you see the pattern here? I hope so.
@evelsteev Finally, the first time you have stood up for the big bang theory. Anyways, it isn't that I automatically go to God, it just seems like the reasonable way because of how amazing the universe is. Think about its scenery, amazing. How about how the earth is the perfect distance from the sun, coincidence? No. All organisms are so finely put together (try to tell me one that isn't). I use to think Santa Claus was real then I found evidence against that. What evidence is there against God?
@NewEarthCitizen Finally? it's been around since 1927. Mercury isn't the "perfect" distance from the sun, as well as 8 other planets. So much for your "amazing" universe. If organisms are so "finely"put together, then why do we have appendixes that can potentially kill us? Why do we get cancer? There's no evidence AGAINST Santa Claus, there's just no evidence FOR him. The same with god. STILL no evidence. You amazement about the universe doesn't prove a god exists.
@evelsteev Well, I was waiting for you to say it. Also, it doesn't matter about Mercury because we don't live there but Earth is, which matters! We have diseases and cancers because we are in a fallen world. After Adam and Eve sinned, sin came into the world. Because of that, diseases and other bad things came into this world like evil, death and pain. The Garden was perfect yet Adam and Eve did the one thing they weren't suppose to do. Now, we live in a world where we can be sad, hurt and die.
@NewEarthCitizen NOTHING lives on Mercury! But it's STILL there. You fail to realize that 8 other planets exist, that DON'T have life on them. Fallen world? A child is born with a disease because he's fallen?? He didn't DO anything yet! Adam and Eve were supposed to be innocent! They DIDN'T know right form wrong, so how the hell could they know? And then the story says god purposely puts a tree with bad fruit, right smack in the middle of the garden. Gimme a break! Ridiculous.
@evelsteev You are right, nothing lives on Mercury or the other planets besides Earth. yes, it is fallen because of sin, it is like pollution that wreaks our world. Adam and Eve were SPECIFICALLY told not to eat from that one tree that God put so that they didn't have to worship God like robots who have no CHOICE! They were told what was wrong, that was the only thing that was bad and they did it, THE ONLY THING! How can you fail to see that?
@evelsteev On the subject of the snake. It was the Garden of Eden and it was God's perfect land where He and man lived. After the snake deceived the people, God banished the people and the animals from the Garden and then the curse (sin) came upon this earth and caused man to become evil and bad and for diseases and sickness to come upon the world. Also, God cursed the snake so it could only slither from then on and it's probable that God stopped it from talking so it couldn't deceive man again.
@NewEarthCitizen It's a story. It doesn't mean it's true. You'd rather believe in a story about talking snakes and talking donkeys, that see the scientific evidence that's been observed and documented for all to see. Wow...I'd see therapist about that.
@evelsteev I don't like how everyone sees the "impossible" things with religion like talking animals, supernatural things, you people lack faith. How about the message of God's love, forgiveness, purpose and eternal life in Heaven? How about that message that you are failing to see. The Bible authors observed and documented what they saw too yet you just brush that aside because you lack faith and it isn't "science". I agree with science about a lot of things but evolution isn't one of them.
@NewEarthCitizen Faith? Faith is just another word for "just go with it." How many times do I have to tell you that faith/belief is NOT evidence. You're naive because you merely believe things with no evidence to back them up and then say "oh you're just not going along with it." That's very sad. "love" and "forgiving?" in the Bible God is anything BUT. He condones slavery, genocide, pedophilia, incest, war, and stoning children for being disobedient. This is NOT love and forgiveness.
@evelsteev Actually, the definition I found is "complete trust or confidence in someone or something". Anyways, God is forgiving. I have hated so I'm a murderer (1 John 3:15), lusted so I'm an adulterer (Matthew 5:27-28), stolen, lied and many more things. But God has forgiven me and given me eternal life! Slavery/genocide? Have you ever thought God was punishing them for wrong? Incest? About Adam and Eve's sons and daughters, that law didn't come until later so it wasn't wrong (Leviticus 18-20)
@NewEarthCitizen complete trust or confidence in leprechauns don't make the leprechauns real. You're telling me that when someone does you wrong, you would enslave them? I dare you to tell an American black person that. You would kill them? That's horrible. The law didn't come until later??? It's the same god!!!! He already knew the future! Are you kidding me? Please tell me you're joking.
@evelsteev I feel I can't have a conversation with you if you can't understand what I am saying. God enslaved the enemies of Israel because they were sinning and also we have sinned too (Romans 3:23) and we deserve DEATH because of our sin (Romans 6:23) but God sent Jesus to take that punishment from us when He died. Also, it isn't about color back then, it was based on their actions. Yes, God knows the future BUT Adam and Eve were the only people and God made the law when there was more people.
@NewEarthCitizen I understand perfectly WELL what you're saying. What YOU fail to understand to fail is how incredibly sick, cruel, and disgusting it is. If we deserve death, because of our sin, then god should have made us sinless, again, he supposed to know the future, and he KNEW all this was supposed to happen. However, NONE of this proves god exists (yet again).
Sin IS sick, cruel and disgusting! Sin can be sick like rape or murder, cruel like unjust people and disgusting like torture to name a few. We were given free will which I don't see as a BAD thing. God knew what was going to happen but He didn't want to force His creation to worship Him, He WANTED them to like Him and worship Him and THANK Him. You don't have to believe in Him but I will. Know tell me how we experience TRUE love if it does not originally come from the maker of Love?
@NewEarthCitizen he didn't want to "force" his creation, but he has no problem with infanticide, genocide, racism, sexism, homophobia, etc? Love exists without him, believe me. Because nowadays we consider those things disgusting and primitive.Going back to those acts is considered regressive. No thanks.
@evelsteev How does He have no problem with those things? They are wrong and not right but they are brought up in the world because we have SINNED! We need to repent so that we can be forgiven and go to Heaven to be with the perfect God forever! Tell me one reason why you would want to go to Hell which is a place of torment where there is no food, water, fun, friends or communion? How does love exist without out the God who created it. There is no better love then someone dying for you!
@evelsteev When I say world, I mean Earth. If you can't use common sense to figure out my message, then you won' t listen to what I say at all. I am sorry, but I can't have this conversation with you anymore.
@NewEarthCitizen if you can't admit that you actually believed that people once lived on Mercury, sinned, and therefore created a lifeless Mercury, then yeah, you're right, I don't speak Christianese. Another word for baseless nonsense. Everything you've said so far, is pretty much baseless.Incredible.
You aren't making sense, you are going off of nothing now and are not seeing my side. I have BASED my evidence off of the Bible which I believe is true whether you believe it or not, it being a historical book unlike a fairy tale made up by folks. My book, the Bible, was composed from about 40 authors and was written over a time period of 1400 to 1800 years. What scientific books do you think can match that?
@NewEarthCitizen I'm making perfect sense because reality isn't based on mere belief. It's based onfacts, of which you've provided none. Name one secular historian that claims the events in the Bible are true. Whether the bible has a million authors, or a billion, the events in it are not historically true. You keep avoiding the lack of evidence. That says a lot about you. Can you stick to the topic for once? LOL
@evelsteev How about Tacitus? Or how about Pliny the Younger? Both verifying that there were Christians. Tacitus even said, "Christus... suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius (Julius Caesar Augustus) at the hands of... Pontius Pilatus" which the Bible validates. Jesus was born in Bethlehem by order of Caesar Augustus (Luke 2:1). That was Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus. Tiberius, or Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus, reigned during the time Jesus died, about 30 AD.
@NewEarthCitizen So what? There are Christians today too. But that only shows people believed back then as they do now, nothing more. No difference. You say the Bible "validates" Christus suffering at the hands of ancientt Rome, but no HISTORICAL back up exists, that this "Christus" (a title, not a personal name) performed miracles. None of these writers mention miracles ANYWHERE. If a man could walk on water, heal the sick with this hands, etc, it would have made history all over the world.
@evelsteev I just showed you historical evidence of Christ's death NOT from the Bible? You just rejected my evidence! I just showed you and you denied it. Christus is actually latin for Christ (google translate) and Jesus was, is and will always be the only TRUE Christ. Also, the Bible is also authors talking about the events of Jesus on earth and were sometimes the only people to write about those events. Ex., if a musician plays a really hard song, not everyone will go write a book about that!
@NewEarthCitizen Actually, you denied what evidence IS, it's the source for the claim itself, not that people simply believing it's true. That's no different than saying that people believed in Santa Claus in the 1800's so that means he's real. NO....he's NOT. Jesus is a personal name..NOT a title. Christos, Christ, etc. is a title. You even said the "true" Christ. People have been known to lie. Writing in a book doesn't make it real. Is Harry Potter real? After all, it was written in a book.
@evelsteev Let me get this straight, you believe that the Bible, written by over 40 authors, books written from a time period of 1400 to 1800 years, written about a religion. So, it can have all the above information but if it is about religion it instantly is false. The thing about Harry Potter is that it is written to be fiction, the bible was records of people. The Bible has shown us scientific things too like the earth being round (Isaiah 40:22), water cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:6-7) and more!
@NewEarthCitizen Are you serious?Name one chapter in the Bible that ISN'T religious. All you've been DOING is preaching religious dogma. It doesn't mean it's true. Your denial of it is irrelevant. "records of people?" Name one person (by their actual specific name, not title) in the bible, confirmed by historians. Talking snakes, talking donkeys, men living in fishes, etc. is NOT scientific. It was written by goat herders from 7,000 B.C. Gimme a break.
@evelsteev Actually, Josephus claimed that there was a man named Jesus who lived, performing miracles and was sentenced by Pilate to die. Also, Josephus says that on the third day Jesus was said to have come back to life. You can read the passage yourself in The Antiquities 18:63-64. Josephus was a Jewish historian that lived after the time of Jesus (being born around 37 A.D.). Also, the Bible was written by many people from Kings (David, Solomon) to fishermen (some of the Apostles). Happy?
@NewEarthCitizen Is he the only one. One man claiming nonsense doesn't make said nonsense true. If that was the case, the Norse and Greek gods also existed.
@NewEarthCitizen Oh please, that "testimony" has been proven to be a phony, even by Christian scholars, not just from now, but even in the more pious 19th century. The biggest culprit in that falsification is Eusebius, a member of the older Catholic Church. Besides, Josephus died two years AFTER Jesus wassupposedly crucified, so he didn't even actually WITNESS Jesus, to begin with.Go ahead, search for it.I'm not making this up.
@evelsteev Really? Proven a phony, eh? What evidence?
You mean he was BORN two years after Jesus died? Because if Josephus died two years AFTER Jesus was crucified, he could have seen Jesus during the time he was alive.
@NewEarthCitizen My mistake, yes. Josephus was born two to four years AFTER Christ was supposedly crucified. So it's impossible for him to have actually witnessed Jesus at all. None of the orthodox Jews (which Josephus was) said he was the Messiah (and they STILL don't). Even if Josephus wrote it,Eusebius, the first person to quote Flavius Josephus, admitted to using falsehoods, to propagate Christian dogma. Again, I'm not making this up. You obviously have not researches this.
@evelsteev If he was born after what had happened, he would have grown up hearing about this man. He would also grow into the early stages of Christianity so he could witness the people that had seen Jesus' actions first hand and hear about Jesus and write what he had heard about. Josephus didn't witness Jesus but he wrote about the claims of Christians so there was a Jesus.
What were Eusebius's falsehoods? Did he just make everything up? Did he twist the words or is Josephus not a real person?
@NewEarthCitizen "We shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity." Eusebius, "Ecclesiastical History" book 8, chapter 2
@NewEarthCitizen People also grow up hearing about Santa Claus, as well. However, that hardly makes him any more real than a myth. Again, he only HEARD about these myths. There are no hard facts about these events. Claims about ANYthing are still only claims. I can claim you owe me money, but that doesn't make it true."It will sometimes be necessary to use falsehood for the benefit of those who need such a mode of treatment." - Eusebius of Nicomedia from
@evelsteev Santa Claus? But the parents already knew that, we all know that, these people were created out of our imaginations, already knowing it is false, like the FSM. God isn't, we have the facts of the Bible which I don't see how it is false, give me a GOOD explanation.
Also, about Eusebius, yes, he is talking about using facts, even if false, that will be used for the greater good but this doesn't refer to Josephus, did he corrupt Josephus' work? Maybe he didn't lie about that part?
@NewEarthCitizen "created out of our imaginations" you have THAT part right. You keep mentioning these "facts" from the Bible, yet you never mention any. Talking snakes, talking donkeys, and men who live in fish are hardly "facts." Wow, you just admitted Eusebius praised the use of lying. That doesn't look good in the case for authenticity. Josephus, again, was born TWO years after Jesus supposedly went back to heaven, so everything he heard was hearsay. Besides, Josephus was an orthodox Jew.
@evelsteev If God is real and is all powerful how is it impossible to have those things? You are limiting God with what you think is logical when God can do ANYTHING!
Also, I don't know about Eusebius, I never studied him so I only know what you told me, two lines but neither refer to Josephus.
Also, Josephus grew during the early steps of Christianity so he could have witnessed what he heard from the people so that means that Jesus was real because Josephus witnessed people talking about Him.
@NewEarthCitizen really? Anything? Then why is there no world peace? SOME body must have prayed for it. Why can't god heal amputees? Nobody's telling you that you can't study Eusebius on your own. Eusebius is important because he was the first to quote Josephus. I told you Josephus was an orthodox Jew. An orthodox Jew wouldn't call Jesus a"messiah." Josephus never mentions a king Herod killing hundreds of babies. Nobody in that time period mentions either. It was put there later.
Anything that is for God's Will. It was God's plan for world peace but we can't have that because of SIN. Because of the wrong stuff we do we can't have that BUT God does offer that in Heaven. If you want a real good answer for God healing amputees see this website (answersingenesis. org /articles/2009/01/30/feedback-god-heal-amputees)
And not just that passage of Josephus but many like the Antiquities, Book 18, chapter 5, paragraph 2 talks about John the Baptist and Herod.
@NewEarthCitizen sin shouldn't be a problem for an "all mighty" god. Also, if he knows everything, why didn't he just kill Satan, and get rid of all the "sin?" That makes no sense. In the Bible, god controls, nature, the weather, animals, floods, etc. But he can't control sin? All that stuff is trumped in answers in genesis.org, because god SAID he would for us, ANY thing we ask for. But since he never heals amputees, we can safely say. There's most likely no god. A promise is a promise.
@evelsteev sin is a test, it will be destroyed along with satan at the end times, until then stop whining. I mean um, a dot exploded into a universe and then the random atoms turned into life. thats what i mean to say... owait... that sounds almost as stupid as an old man shiting a universe... owait... i gotta take a dump. owait... just a fart.
@AizenHasCandy Who's whining? It's the moronic fundamentalists who are, in fact, whining about things that only an imaginary "god" is upset about. Who cares about what primitive, bronze-age goat herders, who knew nothing about science, wrote about? Please.
@AizenHasCandy Actually, a universe expanding from one particle makes infinitely more sense than a man coming out of nowhere and making a universe expand from one particle. You're just too daft to understand that
22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers.
1. Circle, that means the earth is round, that is amazing for ancient times. Many people thought the earth was flat but Isaiah told it was circular, which is the earliest prediction for our earth being round, how is that not cool?
2. God was watching the earth from Heaven which is "above" the earth. Also, how can you not be above a sphere? If I jump over a ball, I am over a sphere.
>Circle, that means the earth is round, that is amazing for ancient times.
A circle is two-dimensional. They had a word for round - why didn't they use it?
The Greek astronomers knew at the time that the earth was round.
>I am over a sphere
"Over" is not "above". Wherever you are on the earth, above only refers to your relative position. There is no up or down for a sphere, therefore no above.
3. The canopy part means like a covering of the earth because heavens back then also meant sky and tent means he makes everything work and put it together to make into a tent (not an actual tent) to live in and have his people live in.
Ever looked at a tent? Rubbish analogy for what you're proposing.
Do you claim to know what God actually meant, even though the words say something different? Every other biblical mention of the shape of the earth reflects the ignorance at the time, btw.
Earth has "four corners" Isaiah 11:12, Revelation 7:1; "ends of the earth" Job 37:3, Jeremiah 16:19, Daniel 4:11 (also, a tree that "touched the sky"); we can "see all earth from one point" Matthew 4:8; earth has "pillars" Job 9:6; earth has "edges" Job 38:13, Job 11:9; earth has "foundations" Job 38:4.
@JUSTHELLBENT Four corners, that is referring to cardinal direction (north, south, east, west); it was referring to sending the lightning (Job 37:3) or seeing the tree (Daniel 4:11) all over the place and it could be seen from afar; I don't know what mountain it was but it was probably the one described in Deuteronomy 34:1-3; pillars was a metaphor describing God shaking the earth; metaphor, talking about the light of morning quickly spreading across the earth; not literal, poetic imagery.
Well, I looked up the verse and took the link that took me to the bible.cc website. After that, I went to the bottom, where the commentaries were and looked at Barnes' Notes on the Bible. There I found some description and maybe if the verses were metaphorical or not.
I meant, where in the Bible does it say what is metaphorical and what is literal?
Some person's current opinion is just that - it's a retrospective analysis.
At the time the verses were written, people believed this about the earth, that's why they wrote it. They didn't know the earth was round, and they didn't know the earth orbits the sun - they thought the earth was the centre of everything.
There's nothing explicitly mentioned in the Bible which wasn't known at the time.
Opinions vary widely about the interpretation of passages. You can choose to believe it, but that doesn't make it true. We have the benefit of hundreds of years of science to correct the earlier misapprehensions, like the geocentric idea.
I mean that the Bible reflects the knowledge of the people who wrote it. Many 'scientific' claims are now known to be wrong, so apologists 'interpret' what was not there in the first place. If this is God's word, why didn't he know this?
@JUSTHELLBENT The Bible was God-inspired, the people wrote from God but you also need to know, the people who wrote the Bible weren't perfect, no one is. We all have our faults or mess up but it is the message of the Bible that is suppose to be heard, not the tiny little details. The message of the Bible is to show God's miracles, prophecies of a savior and God on earth and how we can get to Heaven. The Bible is also Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. Why don't you believe the bible?
I know the official line on the Bible - I was raised a Christian.
I don't believe it because it's not true. It's religious myth, written to control the people by fear of a vengeful god. Many events and miracles were based on earlier gods of the area. Jesus too. See websites bidstrup. com /bible.htm and pocm. com.
@JUSTHELLBENT By believing it is a religious myth IS believing that it is not true. Also, the Bible DOES say to fear God but not like scared fear, more like respectful fear. Think about it like this: you have a light socket, providing you energy to use things. This light socket is like God: you enjoy it, it helps you but you wouldn't just unscrew and mess around with it, would you? That is respectful fear, enjoying it and what it does but you wouldn't just mess with it on purpose.
How do you know the Bible is not true? I went through the first site, calling God vengeful and wrathful and causing infanticide and genocide. Did you ever think that God is punishing the enemies who broke His laws. Also, when people view God's laws in Leviticus, did you now that even if you commit one sin, the punishment is death and separation from God for eternity (Romans 3:23 and Romans 6:23)? Every sin is punished by death but we have a way to escape that by accepting Jesus.
>Did you ever think that God is punishing the enemies who broke His laws
If a baby can break his laws and deserves the death penalty, I want nothing to do with this god. The laws are clearly made up by the human leaders to control the populace.
Re Leviticus:
Why have a law against wearing blended fabric?
Why does such a god love the smell of burning animal flesh and delight in massacre, controlling people's minds so it can slaughter more?
> I went through the first site, calling God vengeful and wrathful and causing infanticide and genocide.
The first site I recommended talks about the writing of the Bible in detail, and explains why it is clearly fictional. It talks about the Jewish gods which were used to construct your one.
@JUSTHELLBENT I can't access pcom. com what is wrong with that site, it sounds like it fights for my side. Yes, I have thought about both sides, I have seen what atheists see, I have doubted too but atheists lack a purpose. You don't lose anything dying a Christian but you lose everything dying an atheist.
There will be free will in Heaven but being with God, we won't want to do wrong.
Sin won't be there for the same reason.
No, we won't be married in Heaven to our spouses (Matthew 22:30).
btw, those pages acknowledged a lot of parallels, too. POCM (and I) don't claim 'identical' - I said 'based on' and POCM gives a detailed explanation of why there are so many similarities.
I imagine you are too scared to read these in detail, as this might anger your light socket god. I get it - I was scared to question, too, when I was a Christian. It's a cleverly devised part of the theology.
@NewEarthCitizen It is not left to you or any other to establish what is metaphorical or not apart from the author. So you don't know if it is to be taken literally or otherwise. Simple, since it was written by a bunch of nomads and people of very little knowledge about the world, it could well be literally what's written that they meant, who knows?
@Blasthood You are right, we don't know 100% but it isn't wrong to believe a statement from someone's interpretation of a passage because it isn't 100% true or 100% false. What about people who believe scientific theories? Scientific theories are theories that aren't 100% true OR 100% false. So if you are saying that I can't believe something that may not be 100% true or 100% false then other people can't believe scientific theories even though they are not 100% true or 100% false?
@NewEarthCitizen The fact is that scientific theories have facts/evidence that support them, and in fact they're called "theories". Unlike scientific theories, the bible, as well as all the other "holy" books, hold very little facts if none. That's a crucial difference, accompanied also by the fact that you don't question your belief for starters, while science does.
@Blasthood How do you know the bible doesn't have many facts? Is it too hard to believe or are you just closing your mind because it sounds impossible? Listen to me, if there is a God, which there is, and He made all of us and everything so amazingly, can you not believe that He can do ANYTHING, from Methuselah living to be over 900 years old; how about a donkey talking; how about allowing the sun to stay up all day for David. With God, anything is possible. Why don't you believe?
@NewEarthCitizen Well first off, the bible itself has many inconsistencies, the four evangelists give very different "facts". The historians also do consider the bible to not be a reliable source of information and do not agree about the events actually every taking place to the extent to doubt whether even the character of Jeebus actually existed.
Do you even understand how many paradoxes come with omnipotency? This would also lead to question such a being's objectives.
@Blasthood What type of inconsistencies do you mean? The gospels giving very different facts? Let me just say, the gospels were written about 40-50 and maybe even more years after Christ died and rose again. How are they different? Yes, some contain other things that the other gospels don't but how can you remember every detail of everyday? Also, the bible was God-inspired but written by imperfect people. We have all sinned but the little details aren't what matter, it is the message though.
@NewEarthCitizen But i just told you, that the source of your information is flawed, and isn't it a bit wierd that the "word of god" is so full errors historically and so vague? Your argument does not stand. The fact is that there is very little evidence for anything that the bible states. But of course "the little details" don't matter, yeah right. It's convenient for you because otherwise your credo would fall. Even faced with evidence the religious turn away.
@evelsteev Provide me an instance where karma is true? In my first response, I showed that we can do bad things but still have a good outcome if we repent. Christ went through something terrible and got good out of it. I though if you do something good, good will come to you; do something bad, bad will come to you.
Also, my evidence is the Bible, whether you accept as evidence doesn't matter because it was made from eye witnesses talking about those events they saw, not like fairy tales.
@NewEarthCitizen Provide me an instance where god is true. Your mere belief is no better than any other belief because you haven't provided any evidence, STILL.
Talking snakes (Genesis) talking donkeys (numbers), and men living in fishes, don't happen. Do you have evidence for this? because so far it's only fairy tales that claim these things.
Daisuke Aramaki?
steve9405 3 days ago
I thought they spoke Orange in Christa.
GouledXD 4 days ago
"I'm atheist." "Oh I'll pray for you." that fuckin pisses me off
109367 4 days ago
@109367
Heh, I always respond with; 'fine, and I'll think for you'.
Seymour13 2 days ago
LOL! love #3!!! hahaha
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In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful (1)
Say: He is Allah, the One! (1)
Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (2)
He begetteth not nor was begotten. (3)
And there is none comparable unto Him. (4)
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I am offended by this video. Chinese is not that difficult to understand. Lay off Chinese people!
paraplegicgiraffe 5 days ago
@paraplegicgiraffe lol i was thinking the same thing! haha
cubednation 4 days ago
If I cared enough I'd offer real assistance. lol. so true
shinitaru 1 week ago
I love this series! lol I can't stop laughing. Excellent job, the video is spot on. Thank you!
wncranger 2 weeks ago
oooohhh I get it now. Now I can understand them!
chasetheguitarplayer 2 weeks ago
i have to stop watching these videos it only makes me mad
kdupre5 2 weeks ago
Shit I miss-read that. I was looking for cantonese. This is certainly more confusing tho.
zagnutmmm 2 weeks ago
Its funny because the bible says that god hates the actual sinners as well as the sins they commit:
Psalm 5:5 The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers.
Psalm 11:5 The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.
GotZest 3 weeks ago
I just love this guy's voice.
RebelStarwarrior 3 weeks ago
"I will pray for you": Something Christians say or do that meets absolutely no real need whatsoever, but still makes them feel like they did something. (eases their conscience)
brabanthallen 3 weeks ago
this is stupid
Polkadottedpanda225 3 weeks ago
A class that can be (should be) taught in a proper University!
AkasakaS2000 3 weeks ago
You're just inserting your own made-up meanings to give Christians an even worse name.
Awesomeoneofawesome 4 weeks ago
@Awesomeoneofawesome Oh I don't think it could get any worse.
92Payka 3 weeks ago
@92Payka
It would be better, if light would ever be shed on the positive things that Christians did/caused/believed/willed, in addition to the negative.
Awesomeoneofawesome 3 weeks ago
@Awesomeoneofawesome Hold it right there, we're not talking about 'the individual' ,more the religion,its practices,what it says as a whole,not individual follows in their wider lives.Believers and non-belivers have always done amazing,wonderful,horrible,clever and stupid things.I don't see a lot of videos by Christians talking about the great works or morally upstanding atheists so why would you come here asking for us to treat you as you as you wish to be treat but not treating us the same way
gateshead1000 3 weeks ago
@gateshead1000
allow me to rephrase that. I was talking about the positive things said/done/thought by Christians because of their beliefs. Nothing good or bad can come from atheism because their is nothing necessary to being an atheist other than not believing in a god.
Awesomeoneofawesome 3 weeks ago
@Awesomeoneofawesome I'll do some rephrasing,too .... much good can and has come from not being a believer, much evil can be overcome, avoided and frustrated by those not of faith. It just so happens that this may be done by atheists.
No need for you to rephrase,I understood you and responded.
Just be happy in the knowledge,sorry,belief,that you are going to heven while I,a good dad,hard worker,non adulterer,etc am going to hell.you shoyuld pitty me,not be angry with me,certainly not judge me
gateshead1000 2 weeks ago
@gateshead1000
When I was young, my mom told me about how she thinks that right before good-intended people become 100% dead, they are given one last chance to be saved. The reason that she thinks that is that when HER dad (who was NOT a Christian) was in the unconscious state before dying, he acted as if he was seeing heaven and being saved.
Awesomeoneofawesome 2 weeks ago
@Awesomeoneofawesome An interesting story which proves nothing.Millions of cases of delusions,hallucinations etc via hormonal imbalance,heat,lack of water,drugs,etc. Dying is far more dramatic,mix that with fear of death+hope for something else and bingo.Do you think atheists relish the end of life?It would be great if there were more.I'd jump on any evidence that supported it.But fantastic claims require fantastic evidence.Why would god make his presents a matter of dispute for so many&so long?
gateshead1000 2 weeks ago
@Awesomeoneofawesome it harldy seems fair that so many people, honest in their search for the truth arrive at what is for us an obviious conclusion that there is NO evidence for a god(not to say there is no god) ... as obvious to us as it is for you that there IS a god. If god exists,he either greated most of us with mental faculties insuficient to detect his presence OR hid his presence from those of us searching for the truth but unfortunate enough not to have been indoctrinated with it.Unfair
gateshead1000 2 weeks ago
Thanks now I know 3 words on Christianese :D horay
TervelBG 1 month ago
People believe in religions because they have a life after death, people don't want to cease to exist.. And honestly, I don't either T_T
K4inan 1 month ago
@K4inan hope leads to belief ):, but if you die you will most likely cease to exist, so you would not care about it anymore, only life has meaning so live the best you cant, be the happiest.
maixck 1 month ago
@maixck Every man is a spark in the darkness and before he is noticed, he is gone forever, like a retinal after-image; obscured by newer and brighter lights.
K4inan 1 month ago
@K4inan like stars? ^^
maixck 1 month ago
@maixck Not stars, humans.
K4inan 1 month ago
@K4inan the way you descrived humans sounds like stars, :D.
maixck 1 month ago
@maixck It's a metaphor.
K4inan 1 month ago
@K4inan i know it is, i'm just saying that it would have been a better metaphor saying humans are like stars. :)
maixck 1 month ago
@maixck No, because a humans life is just a spark, not a giant ball of gas that shines for billions of years.
K4inan 1 month ago
@K4inan well is not a spark either, sparks last less than a second humans live 70+ years. :D. But i get your point
maixck 1 month ago
Hearing this, all I can think of is, "Major! Major! The Tachikomas are ready!"
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Or maybe "I'll pray for you" means there's nothing I can do to stop the spread of your pancreatic cancer, and since I've already brought you meals, cleaned your house, and offered to pick your kids up from their activities, I'll ask God to do what only He can: heal you, or at least give you some measure of comfort and strength. But go on being mean-spirited and closed-minded; atheism has been revealed as quite intolerant, so this is no surprise.
Sweet92Sue 1 month ago
@Sweet92Sue You'd think by now that God would notice we dont like our people dying of cancer and he would just make cancer non-existent, yes? I dont much like it when kids get killed or raped either, can you pray for them so it doesnt happen anymore? Oh, it happens anyways? So why the fuck are you praying?
Backslapped 1 month ago
@Sweet92Sue Just wondering if you stopped watching the video after the first example, or do you agree with the other interpretations, because that's the only one you commented about, and if you did stop watching after the first example that's pretty closed minded wouldn't you agree?
magicsiren91 1 month ago
@Sweet92Sue Well, thats not fair. Theism has also been very intolerant through history :D
TheMasterBT 1 month ago
@Sweet92Sue Thousands of years of christians killing whoever dissagreed with them, and yet WE are the closed minded and mean spirited ones?
KissOfDoom1 1 month ago
@Sweet92Sue Well, they prayed for all "witches" they burned up on a stake. People learn what the words mean really fast when they are put into fire.
upisoft2 1 month ago
+1 for the Django Rhinehart
majorritalin 1 month ago
What I love even more than the video is the comments about the video. Thank you, youtube, for once again providing me with endless entertainment provided by theists.
elnoraemily 1 month ago
@elnoraemily I know, right? If I can't find a good comedy vid, like Conan O'brien or some random stand up, I'll just search for religious vids! The comments are nearly sure to make you laugh :D
Theists may be completely wrong and ignorant, but hell... They sure know how to entertain!
XplosivCookie 1 month ago
@XplosivCookie Amen!
elnoraemily 1 month ago
@elnoraemily I don't know if that's inappropriate or not :D
XplosivCookie 1 month ago
@XplosivCookie It probably is :P
elnoraemily 1 month ago
@XplosivCookie
well said,
chesster423 1 month ago
you are quite entertaining.. but that is it. Nothing more. Not informative. Not intelligent. love the entertainment though. It is like watching someone run into a pole because they were watching someone else rather than where they were walking. Now that is a true comparison
crystalmadge 1 month ago
God use to always take my credit. i help an old lady and she says thank god!.
WTF!,i help you how did he came in the picture?, thank me!!... in till i understand that I AM GOD cause i indeed created that action!. sow ever time they says it, i will respond' your welcome lol.
LoboDeBayamon 1 month ago
Well man, that's incredibly offensive, but i agree with you on 1 and 4, Christian today is just all talk. But Not everyone that says i'll pray for you have that kind of thinking
for no.2 , i don't even know what's your problem, i think you just like to pick a fight with that statement. In my prayer i included the people that works for it, so?
For 3, i think it's surrendering to God, and let him be the guide, like i said, You just want to pick a fight, that's not a joke, it's stupid.
INYO121277 1 month ago
Oh yeah, for example, you should make 'atheis language', here's what i gather:
- You cannot prove a negative statement : You know, you actually right, and i'am afraid to admit i cannot prove it, and everything needs a proof'
- talking about morality w/o God : I just want to be more 'moral' looking than christian. While i do lie, cheat, and stealing minor things.
- You idiot, or stupid, or other mock statement : You know, you might actually be right, but i don't want to admit it.
Just' sayin
INYO121277 1 month ago
@INYO121277 What did I just read?
soadfansoad 1 month ago
Your video is being polite. LOL. The "I'll pray for you" invoked at the end of losing an argument translated precisely as "F*CK YOU!!"
BaronDixon 1 month ago
@ArkAtheist, Yes I saw it. Answer: Potato chips.
aMulliganStew 1 month ago
Great vid! Highly enjoyed!
quietstormprod 1 month ago
did anyone else notice the calorie and calorie from fat counts on that nutritional facts sheet at around 1:30? HOLY CRAP what is that thing from? 1 bag (7oz) of what has THAT many calories!?
ARKAtheist 1 month ago
@unomnacajit111 What if doing a video is actually part of the fun? Oh my i just destroyed your point! Ridiculing ridiculous people with ridiculous beliefs is also part of the fun, and we're not criticising "god" we're criticising the hypocrites believing in it. Do you actually understand now?
Blasthood 2 months ago
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i'm christian but i don't shove it down your throat
TheRome111 2 months ago
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Atheists, if you had millions of dollars and knew there is no life after death, wuold you have spent it on producing retarded videos to fight something that doesn't exist or would you be outthere enjoying your little time left ???
unomnacajit111 2 months ago
Awesome video! Thanks for the clarification ~ ~ ~
kristobetz 2 months ago
@jpbarbedwire1
Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." We don't see God now but I put my faith in Him because of what He has done for me, given me life on this earth now, given me and you this incredible place and a way to live after death in a perfect place, Heaven. Oh, also, He has given us the Bible to read about what He has done, if you don't believe the bible, that is up to you. As for me, I believe in God even though I can't see Him.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@jpbarbedwire1 Not really but that is what happens most of the time.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
Number 3, I pray that God's will will be done because God is all that is good and won't steer me wrong. I also pray this when asking God to heal a friend because God will answer our prayers, He has a plan and what we may want, like a friend to be healed from cancer, may be against God's will because it is their time. Lastly, God loves all of us, we were all once the sinners. That doesn't mean keep them away from church, it means bring them to church. We need to pray that their eyes are opened.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen First prove god exists.
evelsteev 2 months ago
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NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@evelsteev God exists because I see His creation of the universe and the creatures in it. I don't believe in the Big Bang, something can't come from nothing. Matter cannot be created or destroyed and nothing is not a matter. But God can because He can do anything if He wants too. Speaking of art, think about the picture, the Mona Lisa. Now say I tell you that the colors all came together by chance to form it. You would think I'm crazy! Well, that is how the Big Bang sounds to me.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen how do you KNOW it's HIS creation? Do you have any evidence for this? How do you know Brahma or Allah didn't make it? Belief is just belief, not actual evidence.The big bang is more plausible because it's based on ACTUAL things that reside in the universe, as opposed to bronze age myths about talking snakes. Talk about crazy.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev The Big Bang isn't more plausible because of its "origins" AKA nothing. Also I believe in Christianity because it makes the most sense. I don't believe in Allah because they believe Jesus was only a prophet which is dumb because then you would say He was blasphemes, believing He was God which He is, not a prophet so not Islam. Next, Hinduism. I don't believe in Hinduism because of karma, It isn't true. You can do bad things but if you accept Jesus and repent, then you are forgiven.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen How do you KNOW it came from nothing? It might have been the case that matter has always been there, in another form. However CHRISTIANS are the ones who claim that god simply wished things, into existence....from NOTHING. How do you know karma isn't true? You're only CLAIMING these things, not actually providing any evidence. All you're doing is guessing, with nothing to actually back it up.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev Well, do you know if it came from something else, I would be glad to here it.
God didn't wish it, He created it, He had an intelligent design behind His whole creation instead of an expansion of nothing into everything you see and the earth being EXACTLY placed where it isn't too hot from the sun or too cold. See also, God can do anything so He can make stuff because He is omniscient, I bet He knows how to make something from nothing because He is God!
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen Glad to hear it? I'm still waiting for you to show how you KNOW a god exists, which you haven't. Even if god did actually do it, there's still no evidence for this.
If he created the earth, then why are there 8 other planets that have no life on them. Doesn't sound like "design" because they're not designed for anything. LOL
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev Goodness. I have proved Him through creation, there is NO way that a universe could put together so perfectly, with beautiful scenery, laws and life by itself. Prove to me it can!
Also, the evidence is in the Bible! Prove to me it isn't legit and I won't use it. Also, why would these people write these book (the books of the prophets and the gospels) and die for what they believe if they knew it to be false when they wrote it? The Bible is my evidence for God.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen How do you know Aliens didn't create the universe? How do you beings from another dimension made this one? You're using the tired Argument from Ignorance: You're ignorant of why the universe is here, so that automatically means god "created" it. NO...IT DOESN'T there are other possibilities. Evidence is when you can actually observe something, not what people write down. Science also produces books, but guess what? THE INFORMATION CAN BE OBSERVED. Talking snakes, however CANNOT.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev
Aliens created the universe? Really, what evidence? I'm ignorant? You guys always put off the concept that there is a God. I have thought about aliens, yet they have no proof, I have thought about the Big Bang, but how can something come from nothing (and if everything already "was", then why). The Bible gives clear explanation about God and has answers for all the important questions in life and I don't see why they are not right.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen God created? Really, what evidence? You see? It's no different than your non-supported claim. You keep talking about how much you believe, but you still fail to realize (yet again) that your belief is NOT evidence. Imagine if someone said they were a surgeon, and they were going to operate on you, and said they only BELIEVED that they could perform the surgery. Belief and evidence are NOT the same thing.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev I am ending the conversation if you don't tell me how the big bang created the universe, how it was real, the evidence behind it and how something can come from nothing.
You are right that a belief isn't evidence but the Bible is evidence, stop putting that off. I don't care that you can't believe a talking snake when God is in the picture, if God is real (which He is) then give me a reason that there couldn't be a talking snake in the first place? How about an afterlife too?
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen I already told you, we have evidence of red shift, microwave radiation, and we can recreate the conditions necessary to make another one in the Hardron collider. The evidence is THERE, you just keep ignoring it. Even if the Big Bang were false, it doesn't automatically mean god did it. YOu keep saying god is real, but that's no different than saying Santa Claus is real. Snake don't posses vocal chords. Unless you evidence that one does. Do you see the pattern here? I hope so.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev Finally, the first time you have stood up for the big bang theory. Anyways, it isn't that I automatically go to God, it just seems like the reasonable way because of how amazing the universe is. Think about its scenery, amazing. How about how the earth is the perfect distance from the sun, coincidence? No. All organisms are so finely put together (try to tell me one that isn't). I use to think Santa Claus was real then I found evidence against that. What evidence is there against God?
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen Finally? it's been around since 1927. Mercury isn't the "perfect" distance from the sun, as well as 8 other planets. So much for your "amazing" universe. If organisms are so "finely"put together, then why do we have appendixes that can potentially kill us? Why do we get cancer? There's no evidence AGAINST Santa Claus, there's just no evidence FOR him. The same with god. STILL no evidence. You amazement about the universe doesn't prove a god exists.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev Well, I was waiting for you to say it. Also, it doesn't matter about Mercury because we don't live there but Earth is, which matters! We have diseases and cancers because we are in a fallen world. After Adam and Eve sinned, sin came into the world. Because of that, diseases and other bad things came into this world like evil, death and pain. The Garden was perfect yet Adam and Eve did the one thing they weren't suppose to do. Now, we live in a world where we can be sad, hurt and die.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen NOTHING lives on Mercury! But it's STILL there. You fail to realize that 8 other planets exist, that DON'T have life on them. Fallen world? A child is born with a disease because he's fallen?? He didn't DO anything yet! Adam and Eve were supposed to be innocent! They DIDN'T know right form wrong, so how the hell could they know? And then the story says god purposely puts a tree with bad fruit, right smack in the middle of the garden. Gimme a break! Ridiculous.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev You are right, nothing lives on Mercury or the other planets besides Earth. yes, it is fallen because of sin, it is like pollution that wreaks our world. Adam and Eve were SPECIFICALLY told not to eat from that one tree that God put so that they didn't have to worship God like robots who have no CHOICE! They were told what was wrong, that was the only thing that was bad and they did it, THE ONLY THING! How can you fail to see that?
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen Wait a minute! WHO sinned on Mercury??? Ok, now you're jut making stuff up.Ridiculous.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen Honestly. Reference Doug Adams metaphor of a puddle explaining the existence of god if you want to know what you sound like
1leadvocal 2 days ago
@evelsteev On the subject of the snake. It was the Garden of Eden and it was God's perfect land where He and man lived. After the snake deceived the people, God banished the people and the animals from the Garden and then the curse (sin) came upon this earth and caused man to become evil and bad and for diseases and sickness to come upon the world. Also, God cursed the snake so it could only slither from then on and it's probable that God stopped it from talking so it couldn't deceive man again.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen It's a story. It doesn't mean it's true. You'd rather believe in a story about talking snakes and talking donkeys, that see the scientific evidence that's been observed and documented for all to see. Wow...I'd see therapist about that.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev I don't like how everyone sees the "impossible" things with religion like talking animals, supernatural things, you people lack faith. How about the message of God's love, forgiveness, purpose and eternal life in Heaven? How about that message that you are failing to see. The Bible authors observed and documented what they saw too yet you just brush that aside because you lack faith and it isn't "science". I agree with science about a lot of things but evolution isn't one of them.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen Faith? Faith is just another word for "just go with it." How many times do I have to tell you that faith/belief is NOT evidence. You're naive because you merely believe things with no evidence to back them up and then say "oh you're just not going along with it." That's very sad. "love" and "forgiving?" in the Bible God is anything BUT. He condones slavery, genocide, pedophilia, incest, war, and stoning children for being disobedient. This is NOT love and forgiveness.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev Actually, the definition I found is "complete trust or confidence in someone or something". Anyways, God is forgiving. I have hated so I'm a murderer (1 John 3:15), lusted so I'm an adulterer (Matthew 5:27-28), stolen, lied and many more things. But God has forgiven me and given me eternal life! Slavery/genocide? Have you ever thought God was punishing them for wrong? Incest? About Adam and Eve's sons and daughters, that law didn't come until later so it wasn't wrong (Leviticus 18-20)
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen complete trust or confidence in leprechauns don't make the leprechauns real. You're telling me that when someone does you wrong, you would enslave them? I dare you to tell an American black person that. You would kill them? That's horrible. The law didn't come until later??? It's the same god!!!! He already knew the future! Are you kidding me? Please tell me you're joking.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev I feel I can't have a conversation with you if you can't understand what I am saying. God enslaved the enemies of Israel because they were sinning and also we have sinned too (Romans 3:23) and we deserve DEATH because of our sin (Romans 6:23) but God sent Jesus to take that punishment from us when He died. Also, it isn't about color back then, it was based on their actions. Yes, God knows the future BUT Adam and Eve were the only people and God made the law when there was more people.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen I understand perfectly WELL what you're saying. What YOU fail to understand to fail is how incredibly sick, cruel, and disgusting it is. If we deserve death, because of our sin, then god should have made us sinless, again, he supposed to know the future, and he KNEW all this was supposed to happen. However, NONE of this proves god exists (yet again).
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev
Sin IS sick, cruel and disgusting! Sin can be sick like rape or murder, cruel like unjust people and disgusting like torture to name a few. We were given free will which I don't see as a BAD thing. God knew what was going to happen but He didn't want to force His creation to worship Him, He WANTED them to like Him and worship Him and THANK Him. You don't have to believe in Him but I will. Know tell me how we experience TRUE love if it does not originally come from the maker of Love?
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen he didn't want to "force" his creation, but he has no problem with infanticide, genocide, racism, sexism, homophobia, etc? Love exists without him, believe me. Because nowadays we consider those things disgusting and primitive.Going back to those acts is considered regressive. No thanks.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev How does He have no problem with those things? They are wrong and not right but they are brought up in the world because we have SINNED! We need to repent so that we can be forgiven and go to Heaven to be with the perfect God forever! Tell me one reason why you would want to go to Hell which is a place of torment where there is no food, water, fun, friends or communion? How does love exist without out the God who created it. There is no better love then someone dying for you!
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen You just said people on Mercury sinned. THERE ARE NO PEOPLE ON MERCURY. You should see counselor for your delusions.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev When I say world, I mean Earth. If you can't use common sense to figure out my message, then you won' t listen to what I say at all. I am sorry, but I can't have this conversation with you anymore.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen if you can't admit that you actually believed that people once lived on Mercury, sinned, and therefore created a lifeless Mercury, then yeah, you're right, I don't speak Christianese. Another word for baseless nonsense. Everything you've said so far, is pretty much baseless.Incredible.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev
You aren't making sense, you are going off of nothing now and are not seeing my side. I have BASED my evidence off of the Bible which I believe is true whether you believe it or not, it being a historical book unlike a fairy tale made up by folks. My book, the Bible, was composed from about 40 authors and was written over a time period of 1400 to 1800 years. What scientific books do you think can match that?
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen I'm making perfect sense because reality isn't based on mere belief. It's based onfacts, of which you've provided none. Name one secular historian that claims the events in the Bible are true. Whether the bible has a million authors, or a billion, the events in it are not historically true. You keep avoiding the lack of evidence. That says a lot about you. Can you stick to the topic for once? LOL
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev How about Tacitus? Or how about Pliny the Younger? Both verifying that there were Christians. Tacitus even said, "Christus... suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius (Julius Caesar Augustus) at the hands of... Pontius Pilatus" which the Bible validates. Jesus was born in Bethlehem by order of Caesar Augustus (Luke 2:1). That was Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus. Tiberius, or Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus, reigned during the time Jesus died, about 30 AD.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen So what? There are Christians today too. But that only shows people believed back then as they do now, nothing more. No difference. You say the Bible "validates" Christus suffering at the hands of ancientt Rome, but no HISTORICAL back up exists, that this "Christus" (a title, not a personal name) performed miracles. None of these writers mention miracles ANYWHERE. If a man could walk on water, heal the sick with this hands, etc, it would have made history all over the world.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev I just showed you historical evidence of Christ's death NOT from the Bible? You just rejected my evidence! I just showed you and you denied it. Christus is actually latin for Christ (google translate) and Jesus was, is and will always be the only TRUE Christ. Also, the Bible is also authors talking about the events of Jesus on earth and were sometimes the only people to write about those events. Ex., if a musician plays a really hard song, not everyone will go write a book about that!
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen Actually, you denied what evidence IS, it's the source for the claim itself, not that people simply believing it's true. That's no different than saying that people believed in Santa Claus in the 1800's so that means he's real. NO....he's NOT. Jesus is a personal name..NOT a title. Christos, Christ, etc. is a title. You even said the "true" Christ. People have been known to lie. Writing in a book doesn't make it real. Is Harry Potter real? After all, it was written in a book.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev Let me get this straight, you believe that the Bible, written by over 40 authors, books written from a time period of 1400 to 1800 years, written about a religion. So, it can have all the above information but if it is about religion it instantly is false. The thing about Harry Potter is that it is written to be fiction, the bible was records of people. The Bible has shown us scientific things too like the earth being round (Isaiah 40:22), water cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:6-7) and more!
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen Are you serious?Name one chapter in the Bible that ISN'T religious. All you've been DOING is preaching religious dogma. It doesn't mean it's true. Your denial of it is irrelevant. "records of people?" Name one person (by their actual specific name, not title) in the bible, confirmed by historians. Talking snakes, talking donkeys, men living in fishes, etc. is NOT scientific. It was written by goat herders from 7,000 B.C. Gimme a break.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev Actually, Josephus claimed that there was a man named Jesus who lived, performing miracles and was sentenced by Pilate to die. Also, Josephus says that on the third day Jesus was said to have come back to life. You can read the passage yourself in The Antiquities 18:63-64. Josephus was a Jewish historian that lived after the time of Jesus (being born around 37 A.D.). Also, the Bible was written by many people from Kings (David, Solomon) to fishermen (some of the Apostles). Happy?
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
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@NewEarthCitizen Is he the only one. One man claiming nonsense doesn't make said nonsense true. If that was the case, the Norse and Greek gods also existed.
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@NewEarthCitizen Oh please, that "testimony" has been proven to be a phony, even by Christian scholars, not just from now, but even in the more pious 19th century. The biggest culprit in that falsification is Eusebius, a member of the older Catholic Church. Besides, Josephus died two years AFTER Jesus wassupposedly crucified, so he didn't even actually WITNESS Jesus, to begin with.Go ahead, search for it.I'm not making this up.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev Really? Proven a phony, eh? What evidence?
You mean he was BORN two years after Jesus died? Because if Josephus died two years AFTER Jesus was crucified, he could have seen Jesus during the time he was alive.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen My mistake, yes. Josephus was born two to four years AFTER Christ was supposedly crucified. So it's impossible for him to have actually witnessed Jesus at all. None of the orthodox Jews (which Josephus was) said he was the Messiah (and they STILL don't). Even if Josephus wrote it,Eusebius, the first person to quote Flavius Josephus, admitted to using falsehoods, to propagate Christian dogma. Again, I'm not making this up. You obviously have not researches this.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev If he was born after what had happened, he would have grown up hearing about this man. He would also grow into the early stages of Christianity so he could witness the people that had seen Jesus' actions first hand and hear about Jesus and write what he had heard about. Josephus didn't witness Jesus but he wrote about the claims of Christians so there was a Jesus.
What were Eusebius's falsehoods? Did he just make everything up? Did he twist the words or is Josephus not a real person?
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
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evelsteev 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen "We shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity." Eusebius, "Ecclesiastical History" book 8, chapter 2
evelsteev 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen People also grow up hearing about Santa Claus, as well. However, that hardly makes him any more real than a myth. Again, he only HEARD about these myths. There are no hard facts about these events. Claims about ANYthing are still only claims. I can claim you owe me money, but that doesn't make it true."It will sometimes be necessary to use falsehood for the benefit of those who need such a mode of treatment." - Eusebius of Nicomedia from
"The Preparation of the Gospel"
evelsteev 1 month ago
@evelsteev Santa Claus? But the parents already knew that, we all know that, these people were created out of our imaginations, already knowing it is false, like the FSM. God isn't, we have the facts of the Bible which I don't see how it is false, give me a GOOD explanation.
Also, about Eusebius, yes, he is talking about using facts, even if false, that will be used for the greater good but this doesn't refer to Josephus, did he corrupt Josephus' work? Maybe he didn't lie about that part?
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen "created out of our imaginations" you have THAT part right. You keep mentioning these "facts" from the Bible, yet you never mention any. Talking snakes, talking donkeys, and men who live in fish are hardly "facts." Wow, you just admitted Eusebius praised the use of lying. That doesn't look good in the case for authenticity. Josephus, again, was born TWO years after Jesus supposedly went back to heaven, so everything he heard was hearsay. Besides, Josephus was an orthodox Jew.
evelsteev 1 month ago
@evelsteev If God is real and is all powerful how is it impossible to have those things? You are limiting God with what you think is logical when God can do ANYTHING!
Also, I don't know about Eusebius, I never studied him so I only know what you told me, two lines but neither refer to Josephus.
Also, Josephus grew during the early steps of Christianity so he could have witnessed what he heard from the people so that means that Jesus was real because Josephus witnessed people talking about Him.
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen really? Anything? Then why is there no world peace? SOME body must have prayed for it. Why can't god heal amputees? Nobody's telling you that you can't study Eusebius on your own. Eusebius is important because he was the first to quote Josephus. I told you Josephus was an orthodox Jew. An orthodox Jew wouldn't call Jesus a"messiah." Josephus never mentions a king Herod killing hundreds of babies. Nobody in that time period mentions either. It was put there later.
evelsteev 1 month ago
@evelsteev
Anything that is for God's Will. It was God's plan for world peace but we can't have that because of SIN. Because of the wrong stuff we do we can't have that BUT God does offer that in Heaven. If you want a real good answer for God healing amputees see this website (answersingenesis. org /articles/2009/01/30/feedback-god-heal-amputees)
And not just that passage of Josephus but many like the Antiquities, Book 18, chapter 5, paragraph 2 talks about John the Baptist and Herod.
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen sin shouldn't be a problem for an "all mighty" god. Also, if he knows everything, why didn't he just kill Satan, and get rid of all the "sin?" That makes no sense. In the Bible, god controls, nature, the weather, animals, floods, etc. But he can't control sin? All that stuff is trumped in answers in genesis.org, because god SAID he would for us, ANY thing we ask for. But since he never heals amputees, we can safely say. There's most likely no god. A promise is a promise.
evelsteev 1 month ago
@evelsteev sin is a test, it will be destroyed along with satan at the end times, until then stop whining. I mean um, a dot exploded into a universe and then the random atoms turned into life. thats what i mean to say... owait... that sounds almost as stupid as an old man shiting a universe... owait... i gotta take a dump. owait... just a fart.
AizenHasCandy 1 month ago
@AizenHasCandy Who's whining? It's the moronic fundamentalists who are, in fact, whining about things that only an imaginary "god" is upset about. Who cares about what primitive, bronze-age goat herders, who knew nothing about science, wrote about? Please.
evelsteev 1 month ago
@AizenHasCandy Actually, a universe expanding from one particle makes infinitely more sense than a man coming out of nowhere and making a universe expand from one particle. You're just too daft to understand that
drumline17 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
Re the shape of the earth as represented in Isaiah 40:
22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
1. A "circle" is not the same as a sphere - why didn't they use the right word?
2. One cannot be "above" a sphere.
3. The description is of a domed tent (how else can the sky be seen as a "canopy") with a flat base.
JUSTHELLBENT 2 months ago
@JUSTHELLBENT
22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers.
1. Circle, that means the earth is round, that is amazing for ancient times. Many people thought the earth was flat but Isaiah told it was circular, which is the earliest prediction for our earth being round, how is that not cool?
2. God was watching the earth from Heaven which is "above" the earth. Also, how can you not be above a sphere? If I jump over a ball, I am over a sphere.
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
>Circle, that means the earth is round, that is amazing for ancient times.
A circle is two-dimensional. They had a word for round - why didn't they use it?
The Greek astronomers knew at the time that the earth was round.
>I am over a sphere
"Over" is not "above". Wherever you are on the earth, above only refers to your relative position. There is no up or down for a sphere, therefore no above.
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
@JUSTHELLBENT
3. The canopy part means like a covering of the earth because heavens back then also meant sky and tent means he makes everything work and put it together to make into a tent (not an actual tent) to live in and have his people live in.
I hope this helped.
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
>The canopy...
This is speculative nonsense.
Ever looked at a tent? Rubbish analogy for what you're proposing.
Do you claim to know what God actually meant, even though the words say something different? Every other biblical mention of the shape of the earth reflects the ignorance at the time, btw.
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
@JUSTHELLBENT You are right, I am not a professional on this verse and I don't know exactly what he meant.
But, I do want to know what the other biblical mentions of the shape of the earth are? What are some other ones?
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
Earth has "four corners" Isaiah 11:12, Revelation 7:1; "ends of the earth" Job 37:3, Jeremiah 16:19, Daniel 4:11 (also, a tree that "touched the sky"); we can "see all earth from one point" Matthew 4:8; earth has "pillars" Job 9:6; earth has "edges" Job 38:13, Job 11:9; earth has "foundations" Job 38:4.
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
@JUSTHELLBENT Four corners, that is referring to cardinal direction (north, south, east, west); it was referring to sending the lightning (Job 37:3) or seeing the tree (Daniel 4:11) all over the place and it could be seen from afar; I don't know what mountain it was but it was probably the one described in Deuteronomy 34:1-3; pillars was a metaphor describing God shaking the earth; metaphor, talking about the light of morning quickly spreading across the earth; not literal, poetic imagery.
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@JUSTHELLBENT A lot of those verses you gave were metaphors or imagery to give a point, not to actually describe the earth.
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
How do you know which parts are metaphorical and which parts literal?
Please, point me to that parts that describe the shape of the earth literally, and where it tells you the difference.
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
@JUSTHELLBENT
Well, I looked up the verse and took the link that took me to the bible.cc website. After that, I went to the bottom, where the commentaries were and looked at Barnes' Notes on the Bible. There I found some description and maybe if the verses were metaphorical or not.
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
I meant, where in the Bible does it say what is metaphorical and what is literal?
Some person's current opinion is just that - it's a retrospective analysis.
At the time the verses were written, people believed this about the earth, that's why they wrote it. They didn't know the earth was round, and they didn't know the earth orbits the sun - they thought the earth was the centre of everything.
There's nothing explicitly mentioned in the Bible which wasn't known at the time.
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
@JUSTHELLBENT I don't know where in the Bible is says what is literal and what is metaphorical. I don't.
Sure, it is somebody's opinion but what is wrong with what someone thinks this passage means? They think it means something and I believe them.
Now, where in the Bible does it say that the earth is the center of all things?
What do you mean by your last statement?
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
Opinions vary widely about the interpretation of passages. You can choose to believe it, but that doesn't make it true. We have the benefit of hundreds of years of science to correct the earlier misapprehensions, like the geocentric idea.
I mean that the Bible reflects the knowledge of the people who wrote it. Many 'scientific' claims are now known to be wrong, so apologists 'interpret' what was not there in the first place. If this is God's word, why didn't he know this?
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
@JUSTHELLBENT The Bible was God-inspired, the people wrote from God but you also need to know, the people who wrote the Bible weren't perfect, no one is. We all have our faults or mess up but it is the message of the Bible that is suppose to be heard, not the tiny little details. The message of the Bible is to show God's miracles, prophecies of a savior and God on earth and how we can get to Heaven. The Bible is also Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. Why don't you believe the bible?
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
I know the official line on the Bible - I was raised a Christian.
I don't believe it because it's not true. It's religious myth, written to control the people by fear of a vengeful god. Many events and miracles were based on earlier gods of the area. Jesus too. See websites bidstrup. com /bible.htm and pocm. com.
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
@JUSTHELLBENT By believing it is a religious myth IS believing that it is not true. Also, the Bible DOES say to fear God but not like scared fear, more like respectful fear. Think about it like this: you have a light socket, providing you energy to use things. This light socket is like God: you enjoy it, it helps you but you wouldn't just unscrew and mess around with it, would you? That is respectful fear, enjoying it and what it does but you wouldn't just mess with it on purpose.
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
God is not real. The Bible is not true. You clearly did not read the sites I sent you to. If you disagree, show me the evidence.
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
@JUSTHELLBENT
How do you know the Bible is not true? I went through the first site, calling God vengeful and wrathful and causing infanticide and genocide. Did you ever think that God is punishing the enemies who broke His laws. Also, when people view God's laws in Leviticus, did you now that even if you commit one sin, the punishment is death and separation from God for eternity (Romans 3:23 and Romans 6:23)? Every sin is punished by death but we have a way to escape that by accepting Jesus.
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
>Did you ever think that God is punishing the enemies who broke His laws
If a baby can break his laws and deserves the death penalty, I want nothing to do with this god. The laws are clearly made up by the human leaders to control the populace.
Re Leviticus:
Why have a law against wearing blended fabric?
Why does such a god love the smell of burning animal flesh and delight in massacre, controlling people's minds so it can slaughter more?
Clearly a human invention.
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
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@NewEarthCitizen
> I went through the first site, calling God vengeful and wrathful and causing infanticide and genocide.
The first site I recommended talks about the writing of the Bible in detail, and explains why it is clearly fictional. It talks about the Jewish gods which were used to construct your one.
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
@JUSTHELLBENT
Also, a lot of these parallels between Jesus Christ and other gods aren’t true:
Horus (KingDavid8. com/Copycat/JesusHorus.html)
Attis (KingDavid8. com/Copycat/JesusAttis.html)
Krishna (KingDavid8. com/Copycat/JesusKrishna.html)
Dionysus (KingDavid8. com/Copycat/JesusDionysus.html)
Mithra (KingDavid8. com/Copycat/JesusMithra.html)
Don't believe everything you read. Also, do you not want to go to Heaven? Does it seem boring, annoying or lame?
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
You clearly did not read the pcom site - the author agrees that Jesus is not a copycat. He addresses all those arguments.
I believe things which are supported by evidence. I also read both sides of an argument - do you? Don't bother replying until you have, thanks.
No, I don't want to go to heaven.
Tell me, is there free will in heaven? Is there sin?
What will you do there for eternity?
If someone was widowed and remarried, which wife/husband would he/she be with in heaven?
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
@JUSTHELLBENT I can't access pcom. com what is wrong with that site, it sounds like it fights for my side. Yes, I have thought about both sides, I have seen what atheists see, I have doubted too but atheists lack a purpose. You don't lose anything dying a Christian but you lose everything dying an atheist.
There will be free will in Heaven but being with God, we won't want to do wrong.
Sin won't be there for the same reason.
No, we won't be married in Heaven to our spouses (Matthew 22:30).
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
Sorry, it's my typo - the site is POCM.com (Pagan Origins of Christian Mythology).
Re Pascal's Wager - this is a false dichotomy:
What if the Muslims are right? The Hindus? The Buddhists? Christians will lose, too.
Re heaven:
I thought the point of free will is so people can sin. So, what will you do for eternity?
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen
btw, those pages acknowledged a lot of parallels, too. POCM (and I) don't claim 'identical' - I said 'based on' and POCM gives a detailed explanation of why there are so many similarities.
I imagine you are too scared to read these in detail, as this might anger your light socket god. I get it - I was scared to question, too, when I was a Christian. It's a cleverly devised part of the theology.
JUSTHELLBENT 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen please just die already, we dont people like you in this world... And is a win/win situation because you will be in heaven sooner
bryoneill11 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen It is not left to you or any other to establish what is metaphorical or not apart from the author. So you don't know if it is to be taken literally or otherwise. Simple, since it was written by a bunch of nomads and people of very little knowledge about the world, it could well be literally what's written that they meant, who knows?
Blasthood 1 month ago
@Blasthood You are right, we don't know 100% but it isn't wrong to believe a statement from someone's interpretation of a passage because it isn't 100% true or 100% false. What about people who believe scientific theories? Scientific theories are theories that aren't 100% true OR 100% false. So if you are saying that I can't believe something that may not be 100% true or 100% false then other people can't believe scientific theories even though they are not 100% true or 100% false?
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen The fact is that scientific theories have facts/evidence that support them, and in fact they're called "theories". Unlike scientific theories, the bible, as well as all the other "holy" books, hold very little facts if none. That's a crucial difference, accompanied also by the fact that you don't question your belief for starters, while science does.
Blasthood 1 month ago
@Blasthood How do you know the bible doesn't have many facts? Is it too hard to believe or are you just closing your mind because it sounds impossible? Listen to me, if there is a God, which there is, and He made all of us and everything so amazingly, can you not believe that He can do ANYTHING, from Methuselah living to be over 900 years old; how about a donkey talking; how about allowing the sun to stay up all day for David. With God, anything is possible. Why don't you believe?
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen Well first off, the bible itself has many inconsistencies, the four evangelists give very different "facts". The historians also do consider the bible to not be a reliable source of information and do not agree about the events actually every taking place to the extent to doubt whether even the character of Jeebus actually existed.
Do you even understand how many paradoxes come with omnipotency? This would also lead to question such a being's objectives.
Blasthood 1 month ago
@Blasthood What type of inconsistencies do you mean? The gospels giving very different facts? Let me just say, the gospels were written about 40-50 and maybe even more years after Christ died and rose again. How are they different? Yes, some contain other things that the other gospels don't but how can you remember every detail of everyday? Also, the bible was God-inspired but written by imperfect people. We have all sinned but the little details aren't what matter, it is the message though.
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@NewEarthCitizen But i just told you, that the source of your information is flawed, and isn't it a bit wierd that the "word of god" is so full errors historically and so vague? Your argument does not stand. The fact is that there is very little evidence for anything that the bible states. But of course "the little details" don't matter, yeah right. It's convenient for you because otherwise your credo would fall. Even faced with evidence the religious turn away.
Blasthood 1 month ago
@Blasthood
Flawed? Archaeology actually supports the Bible because they line up.
Check out these websites if you don't believe me:
facingthechallenge . org/arch2.php
and
martinfrost . ws/htmlfiles/aug2008/bible_archaeology.html#What_archaeological_discovery_has_had
and more and you can look up the validation between archaeological evidence and biblical evidence.
NewEarthCitizen 1 month ago
@evelsteev Provide me an instance where karma is true? In my first response, I showed that we can do bad things but still have a good outcome if we repent. Christ went through something terrible and got good out of it. I though if you do something good, good will come to you; do something bad, bad will come to you.
Also, my evidence is the Bible, whether you accept as evidence doesn't matter because it was made from eye witnesses talking about those events they saw, not like fairy tales.
NewEarthCitizen 2 months ago
@NewEarthCitizen Provide me an instance where god is true. Your mere belief is no better than any other belief because you haven't provided any evidence, STILL.
Talking snakes (Genesis) talking donkeys (numbers), and men living in fishes, don't happen. Do you have evidence for this? because so far it's only fairy tales that claim these things.
evelsteev 2 months ago