S-200 anti-aircraft missile

[Buuub08]

The SR-71 never flew over Russia.

The SR-71 was cancelled because satellites could do its work with no restrictions like 10 years after its introduction. This is why it was cancelled after the Vietnam war, which is where it flew most of the time (there and Europe). After that it was kept only as a symbol of aviation history. It didnt have the capabilities to reach anywhere within Russia effectively.

[nbarile18]

@Buuub08 Really? Until the invention of spy satellites we routinely flew over Russia. Special tankers- the KC-135Q- would orbit outside of the USSR and make a trackline back to the States. The Blackbird's claimed cruising altitude was 80 to 100,000 feet- and many people say it flew as high as 150,000. No aircraft even today flies that high on a tactical mission, and subsequently no missile defense system would have the capabilities of shooting down the SR-71.

[Buuub08]

@nbarile18 Nop, firstly it is not documented that it ever happened anywhere in deep Russian territory. 2ndly the SR-71 was physically incapable of doing such a mission. Its closest dislocation points to the USSR were in the UK and Okinawa (Japan). Pick up a map and see how far within Russia they could get, not far at all. They did however fly over the European part of the USSR, especially over Eastern Germany, thats a fact.

[Buuub08]

The SR-71 doesnt even go to 100k feet, no airplane with conventional jet engines is capable of sustaining such a flight altitude. The record to this day belongs to the Russian MiG-25 as a matter of fact (36,240m - not even 120k feet), and even that was achieved in a ballistic trajectory.

Missiles have no altitude limitation, the max has always been said to be 40km. It doesnt mean they cant go higher, its just that at 40km a countries air-space officially ends.

[nbarile18]

@Buuub08 I don't know if you are a Russian nationalist or something, but there IS documented evidence that the SR-71 flew over Moscow, in particular. One of the U.S.'s main sources of intelligence as to the location and types of Russian nuclear facilities was through aerial photography. And you must remember that the SR-71 didn't actually fly over its recon target- the cameras were so powerful they could snap pictures on an angle miles and miles away- so it could be outside of the USSR,.

[Buuub08]

@nbarile18 why would i be a Russian nationalist? Just because i dont agree with your bs?

Well, show me the evidence, i tried to find some but i couldnt. There is evidence for Europe, there is some for the Russian far east, and there is plenty for other countries. Satellites are far more reliable and completely safe to use, by the time the SR came about it was already unnecessary.

Doing angle shots is extremely difficult, to get a clear layout you have to be pretty much over it.

[TheApana]

Very powerful and very expensive and won't work on the B-2 or F-22 while in stealth mode.

[shvaky]

@TheApana

one more bullshit...Older radar operating at decimeters see your idiotic stealth as clear as any other plane. Cause you can't have stealth coating decimeters thick. And shaping doesn't make your aircraft invisible. You still believe in a fairy tail the rest of the world has laughed at and already forgotten...But hey, it's your choice to live in a dream...And yes, Obama is the saviour )))))

[TheApana]

@shvaky Obama isn't the "saviour", quit living a dream that America laughs at...

[shvaky]

@TheApana

ever heard of IRONY??? ))))

[AdurianJ]

The problem with Russian Surface To Air Missiles is that US made aircraft always has jammers that work on them.

Also the S-200 is a super old system.

[shvaky]

@AdurianJ

bullshit...to jam S-200 radar you'd have to bring a jammer the size of a truck and with Kwatts of energy. Also when firing a rocket S-200's radar doesn't change transmission pattern so the target isn't aware it's being shot at. We brought down your E-2 Hawkeye once, but they never told you about that, right, boy? 'n' they never will. Because you can't possibly bring down an american democratic freedom-fighting aicraft )))))) 'cause it's american))))

[AdurianJ]

@shvaky

First I'm not american

Second there are more jamming techniques then simply overpowering a radar, like deception jamming and false echoes.

Also the radar on the ground get further away from the missile then an aircraft is. As signal strength decreases by 4 when you double the distance a jammer don't have to be as powerfull.

This can be illustrated in favour of old systems when an SA-3 battey shot down an F-117 "stealth fighter" in close proximity to their radars.

[shvaky]

@AdurianJ

1. Ok, sorry. I guess you wouldn't want to be mistaken for an american.

2. S-200 can filter all this. There are several mods to this system.

3. But the range has to be wide thus more energy. Also as I said before, S-200 doesn't change the transmission pattern when launching a missile. When would you like to start jamming it? You can't do it all the time.

4. True. They used optical sights (by some sources) - very hard to jamm those)))

[nbarile18]

@AdurianJ Even the serbs admit that was a lucky shot. They fired a bunch of AA missiles in the direction they heard the F-117s coming from. Stealth does not affect the air defense system at all- it simply hides it from radar and does not allow it to be tracked. Missiles can still be launched and then you've got a 1/1000 chance of maybe hitting something. The Serbs were able to figure out which direction the fighter-bombers were coming in from and they lobbed an SA-3 up there hoping to hit one.

[AdurianJ]

@nbarile18

Not the battery that shot down the F117.

They made three radar scans with hoping to catch the F117 in the same air corridor they had used the previous night over Belgrade.

When they saw the F117 on the last scan they locked on the fire control radar and launched two S125 missiles. Both passed very close with one proximity fuzed and disabled the aircraft.

[Hardmetal1993]

@shvaky because we all know how difficult AWACS aircraft are to shoot down....

[shvaky]

@Hardmetal1993

what's so difficult about it? The AWACS itself?

[Hardmetal1993]

@shvaky It was a sarcastic comment. An AWACS would have little chance to avoid this SAM.

[shvaky]

@Hardmetal1993

Aaah))) OK.

[shawnee2014]

the program of Russian Iskander each republic of s 200

[gamekiiid]

egypt fire 200 s-200 for sr-71 but no one missile destroyed target becayse sr-71 was fast and sr-71 have good anti missile jammer.

[007sofian]

it is a great missile in the past , but now , it is no thing beside jummer system

[803803tuba]

Hahahaha dis aint nothin 6ut a heat senser

[Xzandon]

not to shoot to flies, for awax, f-15/16/18/35, f-22 i dont know, may be any stealth because depends on the frequency tuning of the emitter

[j0n52]

And Israel gets upset at Hamas for firing toilet rolls at them.

[otester]

With a modern radar this would become quite deadly.

Anything within 350km is toast, altitude isn't a problem.

[GreatWhite85]

@otester Seriously, people argue this country this and this country that. In this day and age, it doesn't matter. When comes to stuff like this, even when you hit perfection there's no farther you can go. I mean something can only be so great, and quite a few chaps have got there already.

[Sheilfalkyr]

SWUUUUUUUUUSH..MISSILE LAUNCHED

SR-71=Dead

[fusionstar916]

i think the missile will run out of fuel before it reached a SR-71 flying at altitude at full speed.

[Sheilfalkyr]

well then launch more than one, that thing is really designed to destroy target moving at very high speed

[blackbirdbe]

But it would miss ;)

SA-5 is faster than the Blackbird, but it will ran out of fuel much faster.

Also not to mention the stealth capabilities.

So chances are rathers small of getting a kill.

But you are right, it was designed to take out very high flying, slow manouvering planes.

Grtz

[Sheilfalkyr]

that's why i said Launch more than one

and what Stealth posed by Sr-71, it's indeed using some shaping and RAM but Russian Early warning RADAR still picks it and later scramble some MiG-25PD

The MiG's however simply follow and keep it within crosshair, they just keep firing range within the Blackbird

[bittemeinrammstein]

Doesnt matter... SR-71 is no longer

[02Sibalex]

@Sheilfalkyr MIG31 CAN FUCK SR-71 :)))

[goodorigin]

@Sheilfalkyr Yeah right. Like those missiles could even catch the sr 71 at top speeds

[shvaky]

@goodorigin

ever heard about deflection at all? It doesn't need to catch it. Interception is not chasing.

[swertinge07]

@Sheilfalkyr During SR-71s operational life, somewhere around a 1000 missiles were fired on it, none of them came close.

[Sheilfalkyr]

@swertinge07 are S-200's V-850 missile are among those 1000 ?

anyway mind if you provide your source ? i did heard "4000 attempts to shootdown".. but none involving missile fire

[swertinge07]

@Sheilfalkyr USAF claims so, if it is true, I don´t know. But, it is simple aerodynamics(?), fin controlled missiles can´t hit the SR-71, the air is too thin. One of the reasons SR-71 was cancelled was, probably, that more modern surface to air missiles use thrust vector control which mean they can manoeuvre in thin air.

[Sheilfalkyr]

@swertinge07

Yes i know, however this also depends on the size and speed of the missile's fins and other surfaces as well as body who also contribute to maneuverability .

This however is also a "double sided" sword as SR-71 may also not capable of maneuver due to thin air, thus the missile may not need to have higher maneuverability .

[swertinge07]

@Sheilfalkyr A missile has a speed problem, I´m sure you know it fires with a booster and then the main engine engages. Which usually burns out after a few seconds, peaking the missiles speed. The SR-71 is under power all the time making it difficult to calculate the IP since the missile can´t manoeuvre much. But as I said, one reason for the SR-71 being taken out of service is that more modern missiles use TVC instead of wings.

[DaveDoom]

@Sheilfalkyr never been shot down.

[nbarile18]

@Sheilfalkyr Funny that you've been trying to get it for years and have NEVER got it. 1

[Sheilfalkyr]

@nbarile18

And there was no single S-200 rounds ever fired to SR-71's.. and why ? because since Gary Powers down..All US recconaisance aircrafts are not allowed to overfly Russia.. but instead simply harassing their Air Defense RADAR , helping RC-135 job to record their RADAR parameters.

[EddieDaOnly1]

@Sheilfalkyr lol the SR 71 is faster and all it has to do is accelerate to be safe

[Buuub08]

@EddieDaOnly1 The missile is almost 3 times as fast as the SR-71, and even the older versions of this missile are capable of engaging targets with speeds of over Mach 4. Thus technically the SR-71 falls into the category of being a relatively easy target.