The Truth About Biofuels in America

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[misterdix]

No please Professor, give us your gift, I would love to learn more about biofules. In fact I think the most constructive thing you could do with your youtube time is correct the mistakes in length so we could all benefit. Main issue for me: the largest problems we have are pillaging of resources and suppression of alternatives. Big oil is destroying lives every day and Charles Anderson does the opposite. Big college destroys lives too so here's your chance to start the healing process. Teach us.

[IAmYellowDuck]

Misterdix, I'm sorry I insulted your friend. I am sure he has important skills and contributes in his way. In retrospect I regret using the term "crackpot". But honestly, if someone puts themself forward as an expert on a topic and seeks to instruct others with "informative seminars", but then a lot of what they say is demonstrably false, they can expect to be challenged. For the record, I found a lot more that "one detail of fault", but I won't waste any more time trying to convince you.

[IAmYellowDuck]

Like, for starters, 2/3 of the energy that goes into ethanol production is used at the ethanol plant, and ethanol plants don't run on petroleum! Of the other 1/3, a big hunk of that is the energy to make nitrogen fertilizers to grow corn. Guess what? Not petroleum either - it's done with natural gas. There's very little petroleum in the whole process of ethanol production - a bit of diesel of farm machinery, for grain transport, fuel transport etc. It's just not a big input.

[misterdix]

@IAmYellowDuck A few of my least favorite people are university professors. Don't get me started on the collegiate-profit conspiracy and the misinformation-curriculum. I find it predictable that a college professor teaching crop-based biofules would find one detail of fault with Charles Anderson and right off his entire career and effect on the world by labeling him a "crackpot." As the old saying goes, "Those who can't do, teach." I'm sure this is a very proud moment for your tenure. Enjoy it.

[IAmYellowDuck]

@ misterdix. Since you asked, I am a university professor who teaches a course in crop-based biofuels. I am not a biofuels "supporter" (well, at least not corn ethanol), but that's not the point. The point is that there have been plenty of scholarly studies on the lifecycle energy balance and petroleum balance of ethanol and *none* of them come up with 3 gallons of petroleum to produce one gallon of ethanol - that number is just flat out wrong. Do you ever read actual research?

[hernes0071]

the oil is like nukliar waists that peole dump underground but oil is placed there by aliens :D:D:D justa litle vierd dought

[IAmYellowDuck]

Wow, just watched this. The guy is totally wrong on so many points. Example: Three gallons of petroleum to produce 1 gallon of ethanol? He encourages others to "do their research", but he is spouting piles of misinformation. There have been a number of great life cycle analyses done on corn ethanol and they generally show a slightly positive energy balance (about 20%) and a hugely positive petroleum replacement value (about 8:1). Sorry, this guy is a crackpot.

[misterdix]

@IAmYellowDuck Your husband works for exxon? Corn lobbyist? Calling "the guy" a "crackpot" bc u differ on the "facts" of corn ethanol makes you look like one of the ignorant yokels the rest of us pity on a daily basis. Charles Anderson started his company Golden Fuel Systems (GFS) ten years ago and holds the distinction of having converted more varied types of diesel engines than any other company world wide. Which means he is changing the world on a daily basis. What do you do?

[ezcondition]

man i've been saying this stuff since day one when those electric cars came out. you have to get the power from some where! their is always a trade off and it usually is no gain. great video, thanks a ton

[echosyst]

Actually the oil market works quite well. That is why no alternative so far discovered can compete with it without taxpayer funded subsidies. The top 3 sources of crude are ourselves, Mexico and Canada. We do import some Persian Gulf oil but not nearly as much as people think. We also have massive quantities of untapped hydrocarbons in the US we could use if government and left wing environmentalists would get out of the way. Our coal, natural gas and oil reserves are massive.

[misterdix]

@echosyst @echosyst What is your point, that there is still money to be made by the oil industry? Duh! Its not about that, we are trying to change how we consume, waste and effect our fellow humans all over the world including ourselves. How can you not understand the implications of the next generation of energy on our tiny planet. Please wake up, we need everyone to understand and change.

[echosyst]

"Waste vegetable oil" will not be seen as waste if large numbers of consumers starting using it to fuel their vehicles. A market will be created and this "waste" will become a product that will cost real money. Once that happens the economics will be completely different especially given the vehicle conversion costs. Basically, a dead end. This is a gimmick for hobbyists, not a real solution for the masses.

[MrDANIELDMARTINRIOS]

acording to you we all ne walking in 20 years

[felipequimico]

in America? when were introduced the Biodiesel developments in Brasil, Canada or the rest of the continent? Sorry but this was a presentation about the United States, not America.

[1ozymandias]

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[jasonlammons]

check this water powered car out (circs 2006!) put the appropriate youtube . com then

watch?v=ImGaraPrEo8

[walter0bz]

future of transport = bicycle, it's an amazing machine

biofuel- 1 banana= 3-4miles

[drbackjack]

hell yeah bikes are awesome.

[gillisledoux007]

@walter0bz

Bikes are great for personal use but have some limitations. In Canada it gets -25 C degrees in winter. Winter bike ride? I think not. Also consider something like a forklift. How many humans would it take to replace the work done by a forklift on a single propane tank? Would you do a moving using bikes? One thing we could do without are huge SUVs with only one person sitting in it and not moving any materials, not very energy efficient. Bikes are great though, every little bit counts

[walter0bz]

@gillisledoux007 - IMO "-25C in winter vs Bikes" is an example of how beyond just "transport" fossil fuels are serving to increase Carrying Capacity, i.e. take an *inhospitable* environment, and make it *hospitable*

Soon we wont have a choice :)

[gillisledoux007]

@walter0bz

If thats what you think, people will be killing themselves for an *hospitable* place to live in the future. Just because we have winter time doesnt mean its inhospitable here unlike cities built in a freaking desert like say Vegas. I will take huge reserves of fresh water and abundant hydroelectricity over not being able to ride my bike 4 months of the year. About carrying capacity, I dont think there will be 7 billion people in 2100 if you know what i mean.

[walter0bz]

@gillisledoux007 -

yes thats *exactly* what I think.

I do think you're right canada scores high on hospitability releative to other places.. there will be people fighting to the death to get in.

(obviously there's an optimum lattitude)

1billion in 2100, unless fusion (& I beleive societal collapse / breakdown of global trade will make it harder to solve).

Only question is will billions die off in one catastrophe, or maybe we'll have something like WW2 lasting 50 years, killing ~1% per year

[walter0bz]

[math error - i really mean war of WW2's ballpark fatality rate lasting 50 yrs, not 1% per year]

[Brennan29]

Id like to know who the guy is starts asking questions about 40:00 into this. He seems to know more then the guy talking.. Ive heard this whole so called theory about ethanol useing 3 time the amount of petrol then what you get out. Thats Bullshit! And I have no idea where the hell it cane from.. Like this guy says, its slietly energy possitive but but still not a great idea.

[algaefaece]

He does not know more than the guy talking...he is just parroting some shit that he read on a piece of paper he found on a park bench.

[alienoutthere]

stan meyer look into him

[wrdeboise]

I want to see a video about the B.S. that is Co^2 as a greenhouse gas.

[juggernautxtr]

@wrdeboise

i second that.

when you think about green technology all the companies  selling products are using power to create their product. thus you just tripled co2 out put including that POS prius that you drive.

[gillisledoux007]

@wrdeboise

i think you should google : the great global warming swindle, you'll like it.

[doctorofghetto]

It is all about logic and common sense into invention and/or improving a current technology and its system. I barely hear our politicians going for vegetable oil usage or the Sterlin Steam Engine. Search for on youtube: PAINSCourt's video on "Solar Chicken."

[EverettsVLOG]

around 44 min this guy completely ruined his credibility by trying to argue that things published in the jounral Science could be used to "back anything" . his 3 gal petro for 1 gal ethanol is wack, its slighly positive (~30% reduction in CO2) according to the jounral Science... which cites a meta-analysis (i.e. like 10 studies) which were complied by the dept. Energy and Agriculture.

[steam0001]

Hydogen works great in Greenland because they make electricty using geothermal sources.

[commandersprocket]

It also works in Greenland (and Iceland) because they have low population to natural energy ratio (geothermal, wind, wave, small scale hydro).

[kbs1138]

electric diesel hybrids getting over 100 mpg and take incentives for reroofing your home with solar shingles

( oksolar d o t c o m / roof )

[larry9088]

This dude is silly buy your fule like everyone eles dumb ass!

[TheRealArchAngel]

Comment Directed Directly at video:

1) The U.S. alone uses 7.7 billion gallons of Gasoline A DAY

2) If we recycle all used Oil we can make 1 million gallons of Biodisel a year

3)If we take all the crops the U.S. produce for A Year and turn it to Bio Diesel we can meet the 7.7 Billion gallons a day for 1 day

4) If we could some how take all plant matter in all 50 states and turn it to Bio Diesel we can meet the 7.7 billion gallons a day for 1 day and a Half.

2 words: Paddle Cars

[TheRealArchAngel]

p.s. the U.S. uses 25 percent of oil as gasoline, Worldwide Gasoline used is 31 billion gallon of gas A DAY As far as Hydrogen....do you really want water to become a taxable commodity and children in poor countries will be dying of thirst cause water is $7 a gallon?

As far as "Big Oil" forcing people to pay out the ass for gas.again they don't set the price of gas

In fact Oil is worth more as Carbon fiber, Plastics, Silicone,& Vaseline then stupidly wasted as Gasoline,the shit of Kerosene

[seanotube85]

This speaker-guy seems like a sell-out to me. Algae and solar power are the solutions to all our energy dependence/environmental problems.

[TheRealArchAngel]

**This speaker-guy seems like a sell-out to me. Algae and solar power are the solutions to all our energy dependence/environmental problems.**

In "Real world"..Environuts don't like solar panels displacing animals or spoiling the enviroment, and I don't think they won't hold back bitching and moaning about starving whales and krill and disrupting wildlife in the OCeans cause that would be the only place we could ever hope to harvest enough Algae to replace 7.7 billion gallons of gas a day in US

[seanotube85]

Actually by growing algae virtically, you can use cheap materials and increase the yield by increasing the surface area and volume of strains being exposed to sunlight. The ocean is probably the worst place to grow algae. secondly, solar power can already be (and has already been) used on individual houses to take them off the energy grid. Also, different algae strains can be used to produce different kinds of oil (jet engine oil, truck oil, diesel, ethanol etc.).

[Crosisborg]

Punjabi (44:00) sounded like he was sent from the petroleum company

[TheRealArchAngel]

**Punjabi (44:00) sounded like he was sent from the petroleum company**

It is always cute when someone thinks Oil companies care about, control, or are involved with the Gasoline Industry...just 1 industry they sell 67 millons Barrels of oil a day to at $4.70 a Barrel

They also sell 83 million barrels a day to Plastic,Syntheic rubber,Vynil,Latex,polyester,c­arbon fiber and other product makers that make their products from Oil and melting steel and blowing glass can't be done by wind/sun..lol

[skillwilly]

You better do your homework;

We better stop hydrogen technology,it occupies OH gasses as you should know when really look after things. Hydrogen leakage got the same effect as destroying tropical forests which produce a lot of OH gasses when healthy.

[nataliyanataliya333]

For an alternative way of fueling your car, please typein your google browser the following: "runacaronwaterfuel"

[PandionFerrus]

Don't confuse what's economically viable today (given $3/gallon gasoline) with what's possible. There's no industrial process required for nuclear power that couldn't be done using electric motors powered by the nuclear plants themselves in place of petroleum-burning engines.

And that's assuming no technological advances before we run out of coal. My guess is that they'll be using algae biodiesel in the same old gear they're using now.

[greyflcn]

==My guess is that they'll be using algae biodiesel in the same old gear they're using now.==

And I'm gonna guess not.

greyfalcon. net/ algae4

greyfalcon. net/ algae

The theoretical bleeding edge of photosynthesis is 11% conversion of sunlight to energy.

greyfalcon. net/ sugarsolar

And when you take the realistic yields, plus the conversion process, it looks more like 0.11% net.

Which is pretty pathetic.

[neotoy]

Why the hell are people so obsessed with combustion? Burning "fuel" to produce energy is primitive stone-age technology. It's stupid, backwards and obscenely inefficient, and continuing down this dead-end path is insane. Biofuel is bullshit!

[ToroQ3000]

Biofuels is a step forward, at least. Electric cars (Tesla Roadster, for example), still can only go 200miles before an overnight, and Hydrogen cars still need work. Biofuels and diesel-hybrids are a step fuel in reducing burning and reducing emmisions before we can go to no burning and no emmisions.

[greyflcn]

Or biofuels are a step backwards.

greyfalcon. net/ palmoil

greyfalcon. net/ ethanol10

[TheRealArchAngel]

The other problem with biofuels is that it means that cars will compete with people for food sources.

To get a real concept of what kind of competition might happen, the grain used to fill a 25 gallon tank with biofuel could feed 1 person for a year.

The amount of grain needed to fill that tank with Biofuel for 2 weeks could feed 26 people for a year.

There is no way world grain suplies can replace 67 million barrels of oil the world uses a day to power there cars with a biofuel replacement

[TheRealArchAngel]

Oh and a Barrel is 47 gallons so that is a shit load of Corn oil...more then the world can even harvest just for food

[seanotube85]

This is only because we're using the WRONG biofuel. Check out Algae. one acre of corn=18 gallons oil per year. one acre of algae=10,000 gallons of oil per acre per year.

[TheRealArchAngel]

10,000 gallons per acre per year eh?

You do know the 67 million barells of oil a day is 47 gallons each and of that 38 gallons per a barrel is used as 2,546,000,000 of gasoline worldwide A DAY (yes 2 trillion and a half gallons of gasoline A DAY)

do you have any Idea how much arces we have to dedicate to growing alge.

How are we going to do that without 1 fucken Evironut organization or other complaining about it effecting the Enviroment like they do with windmills,Solar panels,and such?

[TheRealArchAngel]

Lets make it very clear.

Major reason why we don't have Solar Panel power in the "Greenest State" california, is because Environuts fight agains the power companies putting Windmill fields on mountains cause they are ugly and might kill migrating birds and won't allow Solar panels in the Mohave Desert cause it might displace a fucken squirel.

Same Idiots that wants us off "foriegn Oil" won't let us drill in out own country cause most of it is "wilflife Preserves" like the Mid-Nevada Desert

[seanotube85]

You can put solar panels virtually anywhere these days. plus, more and more powerful forms of solar cells are being developed every day. Recently scientists invented a solar cell which picks up infra-red lights (which account for half the suns energy) and which can be painted onto nearly any hard surface. Solar power is a growing industry which our planet NEEDS. We can even build giant solar panels in outer-space to gather much stronger sun energy. Oil=the present. Sun energy=the future. hy=dumb

[TheRealArchAngel]

**You can put solar panels virtually anywhere these days**

No you can't

Case in point, In California Governor Schwarzenegger is having problems with native American groups bitchin about him wanting to destroying a sacred site,Environuts bicthin they are ugly, & EPA bitchin about possibly displacing a squirel conserning him trying to build a Solar Panel farm in the Mohave Desert.

I say we bring back paddle cars & we bring back Prisoner run row ships & "MOuse Wheels" for cargo & electric power

[seanotube85]

You're actually right. You can put solar panels virtually anywhere that is not already protected. But guess what: they DO NOT protect every fucking grain of sand on the planet. AND IF THEY DO, then they are not your so-called "environuts" at all. A better word for people like that would be "stupid fucking retards". I can understand sacred sites, but we couldspread these solar panels across the country in convenient, non-offensive ways (ie remote sections of desert, city landscapes private farms)

[TheRealArchAngel]

**You're actually right. You can put solar panels virtually anywhere that is not already protected. But guess what: they DO NOT protect every fucking grain of sand on the planet**

THinking "outside the box" the average house's and building's is pretty useless space...stick all the Solar panels there and feed that back into the "Comunal grid"

[TheRealArchAngel]

pfft...the Average house's and Building's roof is usually unused space that Solar panels can be put on

[TheRealArchAngel]

**We can even build giant solar panels in outer-space to gather much stronger sun energy.**

Love the Idea

Show me a working prototype that wont be

1) Destroyed by micro meteors and flying space space junk micro-debrie....the glass components will need to be replaced..the technology exists today

2) A viable power relay sytem...or are we sticking a 5 mile extention cord between a ground base and the Space Solar panel?...lol

[seanotube85]

In the REAL WORLD, there already are satellites orbiting earth, which magically are not destroyed by micro debrie OR "flying space space junk". Also in the REAL WORLD these satellites can be used to transmit energy from outer space! How about that! You're so funny to yourself! If the government spent 1/10 of the money it spends on protecting it's investments in foreign oil we could have done this shit already!.lol. Do you ever ask yourself the simple questions "why not?" or "what if"?Funny dude.

[TheRealArchAngel]

In the REAL WORLD, there already are **satellites orbiting earth, which magically are not destroyed by micro debrie OR "flying space space junk". Also in the REAL WORLD these satellites can be used to transmit energy from outer space! How about that!**

In the Real world it still costs $10,000 a pound to put a Satelite in orbit,and a properlly "armored" one like the ones up there are multi-million dollar communication sattlites..not a bunch of glass solar panels with a 60 mile extention cord

[seanotube85]

"In the Real world it still costs $10,000 a pound to put a Satelite in orbit,and a properlly "armored" one like the ones up there are multi-million dollar communication sattlites..not a bunch of glass solar panels with a 60 mile extention cord"

Maybe you haven't heard how many hundreds of billions of dollars are being spent protecting our investments in foreign oil.

[TheRealArchAngel]

**Maybe you haven't heard how many hundreds of billions of dollars are being spent protecting our investments in foreign oil.**

Maybe you haven't heard that the U.S. imports 85% of it's oil from Canada, 10% from Mexico, and the remaining is DOmestic Alaskan or Texas..not because Exxon is a "World PLayer" but because they only pump move and control 2%of the oil in the world and while the U.S. uses 25% of the oil used up in the world it only has 5% World production

P.S. U.S. dollar = 2cent Gold

[commandersprocket]

Estimates for the cost of a gallon of gas inclusive of the cost to "protect" that oil are $8-$15. The US economy felt the initial shocks of becoming an oil importer in the 70s under

Jimmy Carter, since then we've been living a "borrow and spend" lie.

[seanotube85]

Which oil company do you work for? I was hoping someone like you would respond to this. Good plan! blame these "environuts" for all our problems. lick my environuts dude. You don't grow algae in the ocean. You grow it veritically using an enclosed bio-reactor systems, which means you can have hundreds of layers of plastic algae containers against one another (that would be hundreds of acres in a much smaller space). What is your problem with paying less for oil, and creating competitive markets?

[TheRealArchAngel]

1) Oil companies sells oil to Hundreds of Industries that make products from oil & gasoline Manufactures are just one & while it is true you see their names on Gas stations & they have some Refinery subdivisions 95% of gas stations and 99% of Gas Wholesalers are individual or family owned businesses,so it is funny you are accusing me of working for a oil company which does not make or sell or set the price of gas.

2) Answer is 281,050,000 acres to grow enough Alge.

3) show me you prototype

[seanotube85]

Hahah! Sorry, but I did not number my reply in the form of questions firstly, and secondly, I don't know how you pulled that random number out of your ass! But it's all good. Also, if you had a hybrid-biofuel car, you could get most of your energy from the power of the sun (if we ever invest in this) while a much smaller fraction would be powered by algae fuels. So theoretically the number would be much smaller than however you came up with yours.

1)what if they bought eco-friendly oil instead??

[TheRealArchAngel]

**Also, if you had a hybrid-biofuel car, you could get most of your energy from the power of the sun**

With a trickle system and Electric motor drive, yes, that nobody ever tells you Electric motor systems cost about $5000-$20,000 making the Telsa Roadster $104,000 and While the Prias is Reasonable at $39,000 you need to do a $15,000 overhaul every 5000 miles (replacing batery array) and it is a "htbrid" so still pollutes and puts a shit load more used batteries into circulation

[Coraxuss]

Vertigro has developed a way to harvest oils from algae. If given a piece of land 1/10 the size of New Mexico, they can power all the transportation in the continental United States alone.

[evanloader18]

if thats the case, I am very unhappy with all of these alternatives we're trying to push through. There is a LOT of land available for something like this, so lets get serious and do it.

[Coraxuss]

If I was living back in the states, I'd probably write to a local government about pushing for using algae for biofuel. That way, they can't make up excuse that they haven't heard of a much better alternative.

[commandersprocket]

Valcent Products (Vertigro) has developed a way to grow more algae in the same square footage of land (and with more automation). As far as I know they don't have data from a real pilot plant and there are some people that find their production estimates mathematically unlikely. I hope they're not just blowing marketing smoke, but until I see real results with cost/barrel equivalents I'm going to be skeptical (they've announced a running bio reactor but not results).

[Jaeh1]

Valcent is pushing the edge of envelope with algae with their vertical process, which can be used to grow other crops as well. They have GREAT potential. I have heard about a company in CA that is building or built an algae oil refinery capable of processing 5 million gallons per month (don't quote me). A company in New Zealand has already gone commercial producing algae oil from municiple overflow sewage. Aquagrow or Aquaflow is the name of the company. MIT is tweeking a process as well.

[commandersprocket]

I did some further research and their was a pilot plant launched in April 07. They had to shut it down because... get this... it was producing too much algae (and the algae extraction equipment was about twice as expensive as they thought it would be). Longer term that seems like a great problem to have, hopefully we'll see the extraction problem kicked.

[Coraxuss]

Question is, was the algae oil extraction method similar to what Valcent is using?

[cag66]

100 years of reserves is insignificant and thinking only 100 years in the future is very short term thinking given that the waste will cause trouble for thousands of years

[gillisledoux007]

@seanotube85

Do you really believe that a freaking acre of corn only produces 18 gallons of oil a year?

Go to the supermarket and check out how many gallons of cornoil there are on the shelves. Then think of how many groceries stores there are in the US and how many freaking acres of cornfields you would need to fill those shelves with cornoil selling at just $5/gal. The 18 gal/acre/year number has to be way off target my friend.

[jasonpalth]

@TheRealArchAngel Biofuel is not going to compete with food sources. America has such a large agri industry, it would definitely be able to support both. The real question is practicality. Whether or not the means to attain biofuel is worth its effects on the environment.

[TheRealArchAngel]

The U.S. Oil "Haabbit" is 1.2 billion gallons a day

If you was to strip all the food crop at the moment, all the grass,the trees,the bushes,and other plant life in the united states and convert it into oil we can support the "Habbit" for exactly 1 and 1/2 day

[TheRealArchAngel]

We can maybe get a few hundred million gallons of oil if we could somehow squeeze out all the oil of all the Alge on earth at the moment...but that won't last even a day

Again just the US uses 1.2 BILLION Gallons a day,the whole world uses 4.8 BILLION gallons of oil a day...biofuel is not possible without a shitload of hydroponics

[gillisledoux007]

@TheRealArchAngel

The daily world consumption is really more in the range of 85 millions barrel/day.

The problem is you don't consider using industrial HEMP and things like bio-engineered switchgrass to provide biomass. You don't have to put fuel and food in competition. But one thing I agree with you about is that if India and China want the same standard of living as the USA, we will see (much worst) ressource wars. And lets not forget about the fresh water reserves.

[TheRealArchAngel]

There is not enough Industrial hemp and Switchgrass to replace 85 million barrels A DAY

Striping all biomass on earth at the moment and turning it to "biofuel" could only make enough fuel for 1 1/2 day...then were fucked (not counting the amount of energy it takes to make the fuel at abot a 5 gallons of fossil fuel for 1 gallon of "biofuel which would put true production at a 4x loss )

[gillisledoux007]

@TheRealArchAngel

First of all hemp doesnt require fertilizers or pesticides to grow so i don't know where you take the 5:1 energy ratio. It's not grown on a massive scale in the USA so that doesnt help either. Every little bit counts. Listening to you, all we can do is wait until the end of fossil fuels and then cry. Lets do nothing, nothing is good enough to fix the problem, right? The idea is not to strip the planet of all biomass at once but to gradually incorporate biofuels in the system.

[TheRealArchAngel]

I you want maximum crop yield of hemp for maximum yield of oil you are going to need fertile lands,fertilizers and right medicines

Putting hemp on crappy land and not using fertilizer lowers yield and quality

We live in what modern Archeologists call the "Oil Age" as all technology,including biofuels takes X amount of oil; to use and in my theoretical example making 85 million barrels of hemp oil will take 455 million barrels worth of oil to make

[gillisledoux007]

@TheRealArchAngel

Just because you state that growing hemp would require a 5:1 fossil fuel energy input doesnt make it a fact. Not all biofuels are greated equal. You could use crop rotation and replace fallow by a crop of hemp and the land would be fine. Hemp requires minimal fertilizers (about 200lbs/acre) and no herbicides/pesticides at all, period. Hempfields grow in the 150-200 plants/yard^2 density range!! Imagine how much oil and fibre just 1 acre would yield!! Don't take me for a fool.

[TheRealArchAngel]

And no I am not saying "wait until oil runs out" I am saying replacing gasoline and diesel with hemp gas and hemp diesel is silly

I'm more along the lines of permanent magnet generators, kinetic-power-kinetic conductors and engines, and dynamos powering the cars with no need for anymore input then the driver or passengers initially paddling and then the spinning wheels and/or braking adding power to existing power in a potential to realized energy loop

[gillisledoux007]

@TheRealArchAngel

Okay please explain how permanent magnet generators would produce electricity and how your "energy loop" would function without violating the first law of thermodynamics, I am VERY curious about it. 

[TheRealArchAngel]

the "laws" Thermodynamics deals with heat exchange not potental to kenetic loops

That Sames poles repel can be harness into kinetic motion and angling a series of like poles can keep the kinetic motion going after the initial twirl...the kenetic motion is then harness by a generator

Generators on the wheel axis independent of the motor driving the car can harness the kenetic motioon of just driving while mini generatoirs in the baraking system can generate energy burst from stopping

[walter0bz]

@TheRealArchAngel -

absolutely retarded post!

The laws deal with conservation of energy.

you put produce more entropy any time energy does 'usefull' work such as keeping a human alive. Energy is always conserved, and ends up in a more disordered state (heat).

your magnets will stop spinning as soon as you use them to drive something.

Maybe there's some sort of device which extracts energy stored in the magnet i.e. it demagnetizes as you use it do do work

[gillisledoux007]

@TheRealArchAngel

Guess what genius, where there is friction there is heat so the 1st law of thermodynamics does apply to what you describe.

Secondly, kinetic motion is a pleonasm. Kinetic energy is the energy an object possesses due to its motion and since energy cannot be "created" but only be transferred at some point energy must've been applied to the object for it to get in motion.

I think what you're trying to explain is similar to mag-lev tech. but forget about perpetual motion machines

[TheRealArchAngel]

"Perpetual motion"" is a misdewomer as as you can't build a machine already in m otion making it's own energy

Taking a potental to realized energy (turning the dynamo) then using that initial motion to both turn a generator that puts power into a motor that continues to turn the dynamo after the intital turning plus power to boot doesn't break any laws of physics

[gillisledoux007]

@TheRealArchAngel

There is no getting around the laws of thermodynamics space cadet. Unless you live in a frictionless world (which you don't), every mecanism you use will transfer energy as friction therefore reducing the initial amount of energy applied to the mecanism thru heat loss.

As soon as you're able to move an SUV with 2 people in it using paddling and permanent magnet generators be sure to post a vid champ.

While we wait, let us think about realistic solutions you clown.

[TheRealArchAngel]

"There is no getting around the laws of thermodynamics space cadet"

Again, the regenerative properties of the Potential-Kenetic-potential loop has nothing to do with thermaldynamics

"unless you live in a frictionless world (which you don't), every mecanism you use will transfer energy as friction therefore reducing the initial amount of energy applied to the mecanism thru heat loss."

Ah,firstly friction slows motion which causes heat build up with loss of motion

2nd, friction accounted in loop

[TheRealArchAngel]

"As soon as you're able to move an SUV with 2 people in it using paddling and permanent magnet generators be sure to post a vid champ''

Adverting in posts is considering "spamming", so will understand if I don't mention the Electric car design plans by name,the price I charge,or my website(smirk)

"While we wait, let us think about realistic solutions you clown":

I'll tell you one that is not a realistic replacement for gasoline,Disel,or coal......"Biofuels" (other uses for oil derivatives aside)

[gillisledoux007]

@TheRealArchAngel

Okay so you have the prototype for a near frictionless transportation mecanism sitting in your basement or garage and thats the realistic solution the rest of the scientific community and the world at large is supposed to be waiting after ?

And you have the audacity to call biofuels silly? REALLY???

I think you are a delusional self-important space cadet and I wouldnt be surprised if you are 16.

Go back to physics 101, no such thing as a "closed" energy loop in the real world.

[TheRealArchAngel]

Okay so you have the prototype... the realistic solution the rest of the scientific community....... waiting after ?

Of course not, no automotive company will use the $4000ish intergrated propulsion system when people will buy a car with a $50 combustion engine in it refitted to be a supposed "hybred"

Also, any fuel wether biofuels,gas or water is wasting a commodity

I am for renewable centralised power through a grided system like the San Fransisco trollies

[TheRealArchAngel]

"I think you are a delusional self-important space cadet "

And I think you are a follwer of what they teach you in Physics class rather then thinking of the why

YOu probably will never realize gravity and EM is the same thing and Time doesn't exist without matter which is also EM

"Go back to physics 101, no such thing as a "closed" energy loop in the real world"

And at 1 point in time Newton was a "delusional" loon and Eisenstein was a "no,nothing patent clerk" yet now what they said is "Gospel"

[TheRealArchAngel]

Do you have the test(s) that disproves a regenerative energy loop cycle?

Or are you just re-babbling your perception of Academia like a typical egghead thumping on the physics 101 book and the "consensus'? (much like the "consensus" thumped on the netonian notion that light is a particle when the "idiot" Eisenstein was saying it was a "Wave" and was thumpoing on "no mass" by "Consensus: when the "idiot" Eisenstein was suggesting gravity could bend light)

An Eclipse later,Eisenstein-right

[gillisledoux007]

@TheRealArchAngel

Do you really consider yourself as Einstein 2.0?

If you are truly at the edge of modern science what are you doing wasting your time on a fukin youtube biofuels message post?

What do you want to prove?

Okay so now you can explain the nature of gravity? What even Einstein couldnt do. His physics model can predict the effects of gravity very well but yet cannot explain its nature.

The burden of proof is on you, not me. Youre making the claim of having a regen. energy loop cycle

[TheRealArchAngel]

"Do you really consider yourself as Einstein 2.0?"

No, I can tie my shoe laces and comb my hair,and math is my weaker subject (smirk)

"f you are truly at the edge of modern science what are you doing wasting your time on a fukin youtube biofuels message post?"

killing time

"What do you want to prove?"

Nothing

"Okay so now you can explain the nature of gravity"

Its the reaction of a Mass' electromagnetic field on all other masses' electromagnetic fields,not it's "own force"

[TheRealArchAngel]

"The burden of proof is on you, not me"

That's a bullshit Academic argument

The True Scientific Method is to rule out all other possibilities(Falsification) by verification and testability

Therefore YOU need to provide the test that disproves regenerative energy loop or YOU are nothing more then a "Theorist"

Even Eisenstein knew that which is why he needed to see light bend around the sun during an eclipse and measured time actually slowing on a satellite orbiting earth really fast

[gillisledoux007]

@TheRealArchAngel

Electromagnetic fields and gravity arent the same since the gravitational force always "pull" and never repulses, so right there you are wrong.

All you do is evade my questions while never bringing anything constructive.

You seem to have megalomania symptoms : "Everybody else is ignorant and Im the only one who truly knows the Truth, the world will 1 day understand how smart I am"...yeah, well fuck you.

You can't even spell Einstein right and you're some kind of supergenius???

[TheRealArchAngel]

Uh,huh

Even Eisenstein doubted when negative figures was popping up in his equations which is why  he did illegal math to hack out "anti-Mater","Anti-space","Ant­i-gravity","Anti-time",and "Anti-Energy" and thus a imperfect series of imperfect equations that can't mesh cause he didn't believe in "spooky physics"

Magnetic-gravity "\warp" drive is "Military Use only" technology used on some subs(smirk)

They have discovered anti-matter and anti-energy in those colliders(smirk)

[TheRealArchAngel]

"never bringing anything constructive."

I've already said I am a advocate for hydro-electric and geothermal electric stations and a grid system to power electric cars,electric trains,electric trucks by grid link or "wireless power"

Kinetic-wave power can move ships,and "Brown Batteries" tuned into the earth's EM can run electric Planes

In fact just use "Brown batteries" tuned into earth's EM to power everything

All "brown batteries" are isa tungsten carbide composite subjected to high voltage

[TheRealArchAngel]

"fuck you."

Only if you are a cute redhead girl with freckles and big tits

"You can't even spell Einstein right and you're some kind of supergenius??"

I can't spell and and am weak at math...what of it?

Eisenstein couldn't tie his shoe laces or figure out the greatest "Mystery: of all...women(smirk)

[GoldenFuelSystems]

Because even electric cars have to get their electricity from somewhere. Where are we getting alot of it now, COAL.  Then there's batteries that have to be disposed of, they take alot of resources to create. There's no silver bullet my friend.

[neotoy]

Your name seems to suggest a slight conflict of interest. That aside, there is a silver bullet: watch?v=3JATBObk4p8

[BrandyRena]

f ur shit red neck! i'll truck u. get on with ure gettin. how arer yas gettin yur btu's maby just f;u. suck it. burn bright atleast

[Piscivorus]

Nonrenewable coal and oil will only last the next 150 hundred years at the most. Beyond that the ONLY source of energy our decendants will have is solar and most of that will be needed for agriculture. They won't have the luxury of planes, trains and autos like we do now. The world will be as big a place for them as it was 150 years ago. Yet life may actually be better. Go figure.

[amanbe25]

"ONLY" ? Try again...

[greyflcn]

=="ONLY" ? Try again...==

Close to it though.

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[PandionFerrus]

I hear that nuclear power exists.

[Piscivorus]

Not without petrolium oil.

[greyflcn]

I also hear that Nuclear costs too much.

greyfalcon. net/ costlynuclear

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greyfalcon. net/ nuclearvideo

[TheRealArchAngel]

**I also hear that Nuclear costs too much.**

And more importantly there is only maybe 10 years worth of Uranium in the world as it is a rare metal that comes from Meteor impacts

[commandersprocket]

Some waste is (has become) recyclable, newer reactors are high temperature reactors (not generation I and II reactors like 3 mile island or Chernobyl). There is more than 100 years worth of uranium reserves. There are still huge questions about what to do with the waste. There is also potential for fusion (more likely Bussard/Farnsworth Fusor than the tokamak style fusion reactor) and some interesting theory and research on Thorium based reactors (safer, less radioactive, cheaper fuel)

[hereiam355]

Mind-numbingly underwhelming and unconvincing. Technically shortsighted and lacks grasp of industry trends, "the big picture" or "the long view", but most importantly sports a conspicuous dearth of data.

[hereiam355]

Mind-numbingly underwhelming and unconvincing. Technically short-sighted and lacks grasp of industry trends, "the big picture", but is most importantly suffocating from a dearth of data.

[bretw]

It's like he's ABOUT to say something profound, but never gets to it!

[ZaneASelvans]

As he does half mention in the Q&A, the reason this technology isn't being widely adopted is it doesn't scale well (which is something the Googlers should notice...). We can't produce enough vegetable oil to displace a meaningful amount of our petroleum usage. Only cellulose and lignin based biofuels have a chance. Watch Frances Arnold's talk on ethanol (not on youtube), and Steve Chu's google tech talk "The Energy Problem and What We Can Do To Solve It" (on YouTube).

[MicrosoftsourceCode]

So much talk to explain something so simple. No wonder we can't solve problems but create them with more talk.

[buttface1202]

youre stupid

[MicrosoftsourceCode]

If I had a name like buttface1202 you could call me stupid. The truth is the video did not tell me any thing new or helpful. Just 30 minutes of waffle. There is no solutions to any of the problems the west create.

[mielectric1]

With a name like MSC i would simply concede to being stupid. Are you running Svo, bio, or any other alter. fuel? If not don't complain about the video. And if you knew all the info. why aren't you using it, if you are using it, the video wasn't directed to you.

[MicrosoftsourceCode]

Ok smart ass I take it u do not use the Microsoft operating system. I do not and have never drove a car in my life. I watched the clip hoping to learn something new. Most problems that are difficult often have a simple solution. Bio fuels are not the simple answer.

[mielectric1]

hehe yes I am, but in seriousness no biofuels are not the answer, it would take an area 5 times the plantable land of the world just to support the USA. If the algea thing pans out, then it will change a little. Simple answer is this Electric commuter cars/light trucks Nimh or Li-ion batteries, and a vast solar electric generation arracy in the southwest. But not those crappy PV solar cells, There are much more eff. ways to get electricity from sunlight. Use biofuels for bigrigs.

[mielectric1]

So yes your right there is a simple answer, but it will not be done, it is not our best interest or prosperity that drives the world. An electric car with nimh/liion can have a 250mile range, toss in a small diesel genny to help, and range doubles. And this info is fact, but cost of batteries is too high. In fact the cost is equal to the amount you would send in fuel over the lifetime of the battery. Who owns the battery tech? Never driven a car huh?

[MicrosoftsourceCode]

Actually the answer comes from the cause of so many of the world ills.. The expanding human population. China and India's solution is to cull female population @ birth or before. The rest of the world uses war. But a much softer solution is to educate the world into adopting and not to bare children until the world needs then.

[MicrosoftsourceCode]

Young people do not give themselves the change to grow up and enjoy life and sex without having babies. Babies when born are cute and nice until they become young adults. More humans mean more exploitation of the plant to feed there needs. The easier things are made for humans the more they want.

[MicrosoftsourceCode]

I now guess the politicians have it right by making the cost of living so high that people with think twice before having a baby. If things are going to be as bleak as they say in the year 2050 who in there right minds is going to bring a child into this world. The children born to a world of mental slavery to pay their way through life. That is what I see 99% of the world doing right now.

[mielectric1]

Thats their rational for doing what they are doing, but the wisdom of men is flawed and foolishness. We have no understanding of what things will be like if we where to change the basic premise of how we life life, from center focus, to outward focus. We do whats best for us and forget the rest, if we did what was best for the rest, then we would actually have what we want. Fact is, we could change things right now, but people really don't want to.

[BIOSYSPOWER]

When communicating please make an attempt to reach at least the grammar level of a first grader. "The West" is a super power today because of the problems "the rest" create. "The West" simply profits off of solutions to the problems "the rest" create.

[BIOSYSPOWER]

We can't solve problems because of the non-common sense people in the world, like the guy who makes his fumbling appearance at around 41.37 in the video.