I agree that officers need to be able to conduct patdowns, the example shown in the video does not display the officer exercising adequate safety procedures. The officer in the video is using his bare hand. In the event the suspect had a sharp such as a used needle, the officer is taking an unnecessary risk of contracting a Bloodborne virus. Gloves would be a good start, but they do not provide 100% protection vs. a needlestick. Utilizing PPE that offers standoff distance would be much better.
All those people who have had a history of violence had a first incident too. I guess that means an officer should put himself in severe danger by assuming everyone who has no history of violent criminal activity is a nice person.
The purpose of the police is not to keep themselves safe. It is to protect and serve.
Protect what? Protect our rights, such as right not to be searched without cause (4th Ammendment). This includes frisking.
Serve what? The citizens and laws.
Police have a very difficult job to do, and they should be respected when they do it properly, but the police are not immune to the very things they employed to protect and serve.
@badpanda84 "Problem is that when you say protect our rights?? whose rights exactly are you refering to ."
Every citizens rights under the Constitution and laws. Persons who are arrested under the law still have certain rights. Only when convicted in a duly constituted court of law are rights removed (and even then, not all rights). The 4th Amendment is the right not to be searched without cause. This applies to everyone.
@badpanda84 One should expect the police to arrest suspects, But what I (or you) expect has no standing in the law. The police might arrest anyone. For this reason it is the courts that determine if the arrested person is a criminals (innocence until proven guilty). The police do have certain special privileges, but they do not include unreasonable (with out a reason) search.
@drfoxcourt "For this reason it is the courts that determine if the arrested person is a criminals "
yes that is fine.. but you are assuming that they didn't have weapon on them.. ( which is the reason why police wanted to frisk them in the first place).
The court's arent much good if the offended turned out to have a knife of gun
@badpanda84 Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups. As law enforcement, corrections etc...you will always look like shit in the public eye. But that's why we lean on our brothers and sisters in blue to know our struggle and support us no matter what. We serve the public, but we can not bend to them when it jeopardizes safety. We must stay strong through the public onslaught for our fellow officer.
@drfoxcourt So we should wait for someone to be convicted to find the firearm on their person? Get real. You leftist assholes get old in a hurry. A simple pat down is NOT a search of your person or property.
Problem is cops have way to much power & they love to abuse it. Look at the type of person it takes to be a cop. The younger the cop the more of an a**hole he/she will be.The older more mature cop will still be arrogant and may still be an a**,but they won't be as bad as the younger.
@10inlong If I were I would start with YOU ! Matter of fact I wouldn't bother patting you down,I'd just tazer you into submission then mace you until you puke,plant some drugs in your pocket and maybe a gun then beat the crap out of you with my baton.Then take you to jail and make sure every prisoner there knows your a homosexual have the jailer lock you down with Big Meat and tell you to have a nice life.
@vangard213 haha! Fighting words of a true pussy. If i were you i would start with that gun and pray you have the balls to pull the trigger, 'cause it would be the last thing you would ever do if you didnt kill me. Mace is for civilians; it will just clear out my sinuses. I dont know what a tazer is. There's something called a taser though. As far as batons, mine baton is between my legs. It appears YOU are the one who should be lubing up your asshole for a good tube steaking.
@10inlong You sound like an ex-con who likes to talk big and likes to think your something special.Mace will clear your sinuses but you'll also be crying like a 3 year old. Your big and tough until the cuffs go on then your crying for your momma and screaming "I aint dun nutin". I know a few guys that would love to have you as their bitch.
@vangard213 haha! im guessing you dont read your own comments; you make lots of threats, but then accuse me of talking big and thinking im special. I guess you're probably suffering from amnesia and schizophrenia so i'll take it easy on you. I wouldnt want you to take out your frustations on anyone in your group home. Ive been exposed to a few chemical agents in my day and know for a fact mace has little effect on me. Vexor, on the other hand, will stop most people in their tracks.
The cops already have too much power! More people need to stand up for their rights! Our rights are the only good thing about this country and their being stripped away every day by police and politicians!
@benscrappyusername You're a joke. Improper pat searches have shown suspects to have firearms, knives etc...some of these have become viral videos on the internet. One very famous one I can think of is someone who appears detained in investigative detention waiting til an officer leaves the room to remove a gun from his pants and shoot himself in the head. But of course the pat search that could've saved his life, and potentially lives of officers, is unnecessary and evasive. Get a grip dude.
@benscrappyusername The police do not have too much power. Measures are put in place to avoid the "1-100" incident. Yes, it does suck to be subjected to such procedures, but our officers lay their lives on the line for our safety, contrary to what you seem to believe. Such measures are to avoid injury, harm, or death to these offices. If you don't like it, feel free to move to a country where officers aren't given this "power", as you call it and see how safe you feel
@benscrappyusername You wouldn't be saying this if you were a LEO. You would be surprised by the element that police officers have to engage with on a daily basis. I'm a CO at a maximum security prison and everyone will tell you that the inmates have more rights than the officers. It really puts our lives at risk because were limited to what we're able to do. And the inmates know this.
I agree that officers need to be able to conduct patdowns, the example shown in the video does not display the officer exercising adequate safety procedures. The officer in the video is using his bare hand. In the event the suspect had a sharp such as a used needle, the officer is taking an unnecessary risk of contracting a Bloodborne virus. Gloves would be a good start, but they do not provide 100% protection vs. a needlestick. Utilizing PPE that offers standoff distance would be much better.
gringostar67 2 months ago
All those people who have had a history of violence had a first incident too. I guess that means an officer should put himself in severe danger by assuming everyone who has no history of violent criminal activity is a nice person.
TheBananamanAssassin 7 months ago
Fuck the cops!!!
AllLitUpProductions 7 months ago
Fuck it search them anyway.
jgwentworth1500 9 months ago
A "Pat-Frisk" is not a search.
racernate02 1 year ago 6
The purpose of the police is not to keep themselves safe. It is to protect and serve.
Protect what? Protect our rights, such as right not to be searched without cause (4th Ammendment). This includes frisking.
Serve what? The citizens and laws.
Police have a very difficult job to do, and they should be respected when they do it properly, but the police are not immune to the very things they employed to protect and serve.
drfoxcourt 1 year ago
@drfoxcourt "The purpose of the police is not to keep themselves safe. It is to protect and serve."
Lol no one gose to work thinking they are going to get bashed and killed. If they did the poiice arent getting paid nearly enougn
badpanda84 8 months ago
@drfoxcourt "The purpose of the police is not to keep themselves safe. It is to protect and serve"
In all occupations people have the right to be safe.. Problem is that when you say protect our rights?? whose rights exactly are you refering to .
Keep in mind that crimincals and muderes would also abuse there right too.
badpanda84 8 months ago
@badpanda84 "Problem is that when you say protect our rights?? whose rights exactly are you refering to ."
Every citizens rights under the Constitution and laws. Persons who are arrested under the law still have certain rights. Only when convicted in a duly constituted court of law are rights removed (and even then, not all rights). The 4th Amendment is the right not to be searched without cause. This applies to everyone.
drfoxcourt 8 months ago
@drfoxcourt " Persons who are arrested under the law still have certain rights"
Yes but you also expect police to arrest criminals right??
badpanda84 8 months ago
@badpanda84 One should expect the police to arrest suspects, But what I (or you) expect has no standing in the law. The police might arrest anyone. For this reason it is the courts that determine if the arrested person is a criminals (innocence until proven guilty). The police do have certain special privileges, but they do not include unreasonable (with out a reason) search.
drfoxcourt 8 months ago
@drfoxcourt "For this reason it is the courts that determine if the arrested person is a criminals "
yes that is fine.. but you are assuming that they didn't have weapon on them.. ( which is the reason why police wanted to frisk them in the first place).
The court's arent much good if the offended turned out to have a knife of gun
badpanda84 8 months ago
@badpanda84 Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups. As law enforcement, corrections etc...you will always look like shit in the public eye. But that's why we lean on our brothers and sisters in blue to know our struggle and support us no matter what. We serve the public, but we can not bend to them when it jeopardizes safety. We must stay strong through the public onslaught for our fellow officer.
TheBananamanAssassin 7 months ago
@drfoxcourt Pat downs are not searches. If you feel uncomfortable, I am sorry, but there is a very big difference
TheBananamanAssassin 7 months ago
@drfoxcourt "The police do have certain special privileges, but they do not include unreasonable (with out a reason) search"
Frisking people who may have commited a crime is perfectly reasonable.
badpanda84 7 months ago
@drfoxcourt So we should wait for someone to be convicted to find the firearm on their person? Get real. You leftist assholes get old in a hurry. A simple pat down is NOT a search of your person or property.
TheBananamanAssassin 7 months ago
Problem is cops have way to much power & they love to abuse it. Look at the type of person it takes to be a cop. The younger the cop the more of an a**hole he/she will be.The older more mature cop will still be arrogant and may still be an a**,but they won't be as bad as the younger.
vangard213 2 years ago
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@vangard213 perhaps u should be a cop, so you can show everyone how its done
10inlong 1 year ago
@10inlong If I were I would start with YOU ! Matter of fact I wouldn't bother patting you down,I'd just tazer you into submission then mace you until you puke,plant some drugs in your pocket and maybe a gun then beat the crap out of you with my baton.Then take you to jail and make sure every prisoner there knows your a homosexual have the jailer lock you down with Big Meat and tell you to have a nice life.
vangard213 1 year ago
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@vangard213 haha! Fighting words of a true pussy. If i were you i would start with that gun and pray you have the balls to pull the trigger, 'cause it would be the last thing you would ever do if you didnt kill me. Mace is for civilians; it will just clear out my sinuses. I dont know what a tazer is. There's something called a taser though. As far as batons, mine baton is between my legs. It appears YOU are the one who should be lubing up your asshole for a good tube steaking.
10inlong 1 year ago
@10inlong You sound like an ex-con who likes to talk big and likes to think your something special.Mace will clear your sinuses but you'll also be crying like a 3 year old. Your big and tough until the cuffs go on then your crying for your momma and screaming "I aint dun nutin". I know a few guys that would love to have you as their bitch.
vangard213 1 year ago
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@vangard213 haha! im guessing you dont read your own comments; you make lots of threats, but then accuse me of talking big and thinking im special. I guess you're probably suffering from amnesia and schizophrenia so i'll take it easy on you. I wouldnt want you to take out your frustations on anyone in your group home. Ive been exposed to a few chemical agents in my day and know for a fact mace has little effect on me. Vexor, on the other hand, will stop most people in their tracks.
10inlong 1 year ago
plus +1 for freedom!
no search or seizures without a warrant!
WarThug13 2 years ago
if its such a risk then quit
whoyoube305 2 years ago
hahahahaha
rome62592 2 years ago
I agree if the suspect is obviously a criminal.. eitier he had shown violence or physical hostility to the police officer..
I find it police overstepping their authority if they frisk good citizen if they just break a simple traffic law.. or they do it out of racisism..
redeye117 2 years ago
The cops already have too much power! More people need to stand up for their rights! Our rights are the only good thing about this country and their being stripped away every day by police and politicians!
benscrappyusername 2 years ago 7
@benscrappyusername You're a joke. Improper pat searches have shown suspects to have firearms, knives etc...some of these have become viral videos on the internet. One very famous one I can think of is someone who appears detained in investigative detention waiting til an officer leaves the room to remove a gun from his pants and shoot himself in the head. But of course the pat search that could've saved his life, and potentially lives of officers, is unnecessary and evasive. Get a grip dude.
TheBananamanAssassin 7 months ago
@benscrappyusername The police do not have too much power. Measures are put in place to avoid the "1-100" incident. Yes, it does suck to be subjected to such procedures, but our officers lay their lives on the line for our safety, contrary to what you seem to believe. Such measures are to avoid injury, harm, or death to these offices. If you don't like it, feel free to move to a country where officers aren't given this "power", as you call it and see how safe you feel
TheBananamanAssassin 7 months ago
@benscrappyusername You wouldn't be saying this if you were a LEO. You would be surprised by the element that police officers have to engage with on a daily basis. I'm a CO at a maximum security prison and everyone will tell you that the inmates have more rights than the officers. It really puts our lives at risk because were limited to what we're able to do. And the inmates know this.
inyourbusiness73 5 months ago
lol that second po looks like a fuckin fary
Dethclops7 2 years ago