Masaaki Hatsumi Takagi Yoshin Ryu Bujinkan

[mrnarason]

240p we meet again...

[Nightninja64]

Thumbs up if you thought the eye was a mouth

[BuddhaZenMind]

Why does this martial art get so much criticism?

[Nordrian]

@BuddhaZenMind A lot of people are self-righteous, and like to put themselves as ultimate judges and sensors of Martial, judging what they don't understand/like as inefficient. So the thing is to watch the videos, demonstrations etc, decide if it's for you or not, and do what you want. I know that this martial art is efficient, had a lot of friends telling me about their personal experience on the field. Now, if someone doesn't like it, it's his choice.

[SmileyTrilobite]

@BuddhaZenMind

1. "Ninjutsu" is a pop-culture term, but its real history was decentralized and kept quiet for a long time for a reason and most historical texts about it are in Japanese only to my knowledge.

2. This art uses a lot of small movements to take balance and form locks, so it may look fake to those used to other martial arts, and not many have experienced martial arts beyond the dojo (perhaps thankfully).

[rockos414]

If i had a sword, i would never fuck with this guy.

[julioaxess]

Tetsuzan Yamashi Jiraya

[Szczotkov]

nice.wonderin if he could dodge cut along Kesa

[UnholyOneToo]

aaa who was that stupid to cover subtitles??!!

[rvking2005]

Bujinkhan isnt only buJinkahn it has other stuff too. Can you guess what I have and im right. Or just drunk off this Lovely 18yr old Chivas Scotch Whiskey. But Oh well Thats why hes a milionaire and were all just grubbing for the scraps they give us huh

[thephelan3]

@rvking2005 he didn't start charging his students till 1979.

[thephelan3]

@rvking2005 he didn't start charging his students till 1979. and bujinkan is the least expensive martial arts class you can take. mine is 60 bucks a month for 4 classes a week!!!! DOVER, NH.

[rvking2005]

@thephelan3 That dosent negate the fact hes a milionaire but never mind the other stuff from the last post. If he didnt chargem till 79 thats pretty damn cool. I can admire a man like that.

[rvking2005]

@thephelan3 But thats funny all the shit i said and you comment on the object of money. Could this be that you already understood what was going on. Or because you dont understand and overlook what else i said. No disrespect but there were alot greater things going on here other then the allmighty dollar

[rvking2005]

Well look it all started a long long time agow in a galaxy far far away.... Not look this Ram Rod is right there was no reason for The mongolian Tiger to put this stuff into BUjinkahn it was all probly designed to make profit. He knew that people would wanna learn and be Ninja so he just took some stuff from the old stuff showed how not to tattletale (and the real ones know what im talking about) on the real stuff Wala Bujinkhan. But look at the next line i write

[rvking2005]

@ 5min 04 seconds is how the technique of makeing him fall on his own blade. step foward popping the right wrist with the right hand while popping the right temple with the Left hand. Turning his body and where falling and falling and turn the wrist wala Dead Samuria, that lacks in armor anyways havent figured out the doe plate move yet. Probly wont though not like any of these people really understand half this stuff but theres hope. Toobad Hatsumi dosent teach this way anymore.

[rvking2005]

@ 5min 04 seconds is how the technique of makeing him fall on his own blade. step foward popping the right wrist with the right hand while popping the right temple with the Left hand. Turning his body and where falling and falling and turn the wrist wala Dead Samuria, that lacks in armor anyways havent figured out the doe plate move yet. Probly wont though not like any of these people really understand half this stuff but theres hope

[rvking2005]

wow its funny right cuz when he falls he lands on his own sword gotcha well only after you so kind as to turn his wrist for him.

[amazingdany]

Ninjutsu = by any means necessary.

[DarkShroom]

lol that's a pretty specific situation isn't it really, not much use

[ncphillips19]

@DarkShroom It is if you're not paying attention to the right things. Ninjutsu is strange because the technique is not what's important. What's important is discovering the principles that make technique work. Once you have ingrained those principles into your mind and body, you no longer fight with a specific technique in mind, you simply act. The reason why technique is taught, is to show you those principles in different situations so you may have a more holistic understanding of them.

[always4445]

Greetings Master , thank you for this vidéo .

[KAMAERUE]

Less typing more punching...

[FatalDeity]

ushi saru u ne i tori ushi uma tori ne tora ino tori me ushi hitsushi mi e hitsushi ne jin saru tori tatsu tori ushi uma hitsushi tora me ne saru u e hitachi suchi ne jin ne e, TORI

[ionfreak93]

the move by hatsumi at 7:43 was kool. where did dat sword come from. ahah

[FatalDeity]

Hatsumi is no match for a skill that I have that he lacks. its called Tsukuyomi and Ameratsu

[MyoushinRyuNinjutsu]

LOL it's Tsukuyomi and AMATERASU.

[FatalDeity]

Well you know what i mean. So I see you know what im talking about eh? Thats why I left those comments to see if people would actually think those are skills I claim to have and some has.

[MyoushinRyuNinjutsu]

Haha. Anyway, your comment made me chuckle :D

[FatalDeity]

im going to leave some more comments using other moves

[MyoushinRyuNinjutsu]

Yeah like Dark Water Fire, or Anger Lust Greed =))

[FatalDeity]

the heck is anger lust greed

[MyoushinRyuNinjutsu]

LOL

[owenspence]

Perhaps I am mistaken but it sounds to me, like you are not talking so much about external skill, as jujushin of saiminjutsu, practiced by the seinnin(I think I spelled that right), or mind magicians.

[FatalDeity]

haha I guesss

[owenspence]

You sound lost.

[FatalDeity]

ha Oh no I know exactly what you mean. I mean you had to of known what I was talking about when I said Amarterasu tsukuyomi. I dont actually know what Saiminjutsu and Jujushin is but it must have something to do with the mind as you said right? So explain to me what they do or what is it fully

[owenspence]

I spelled in wrong, but saimen-jutsu, storming the mind gate, is a method of attack used on the mind, which includes forms of mind control. It is used by the sennin( mind masters). Jujushin is the aspect of saimen-jutsu, involving the ten states of the human mind that can be manipulated, at certain times of the day and year.

[FatalDeity]

And see I suspected that...I play good mine tricks. But to what level they can do it I want to learn.

[owenspence]

Well, the sennin were reputed to be able to not only predict a person;s death, but to engineer it. An example of this we go as follows, A sennin would tell their intended victim, that they were going to die and when and if the sennin master was skilled, the resulting fear from the impending death would, as a result of a series of emotional and psychological responses, cause physical breakdown inevitably to death, when the body was worn, beyond the recovery point.

I hope that helps.

[FatalDeity]

hmmm Ok so let me see if im right by this example: Ok im fighiting someone and I have a sword and I also have hallucinogenic drugs used by a needle that my opponent dont know about ok. So were fighting and i slash him with my sword sligtly and stab him with the drug at the same time to conceal the fact that I did that also...Now he startes hilucinating and when I notice it I start to Bother his mind and toying with him...Is that another example : (

[NixeonDead]

Tsukuyomi is the god of the moon Amaterasu is the sun godess... and those aren't really skills

[FatalDeity]

Well fight me and I'll show just how real they are

[varanid9]

HUH??!

[Groovemaster2k]

lol so ur gonna shoot black flames out of ur eyes is that correct?

[JaguarPawz]

LOL AND WHO ARE YOU FOR SAYING THATH

[laurentgarciaatc]

50 pourcents of his techniques are not practical in the real situation...

[Bubbelmax]

depends on how youre into the stuff

[DeathWarrant90]

how do you know that lauretgarciaatc? did you figure out the exact percentage of its uselessness by using your calculator?? I suggest you shut the fuck up 'cause you don't know shit! I'd like you to kick Hatsumi's ass...and that ain't gonna happen, right? so again, shut the fuck up!

[111SIREN111]

is this video from the early 90s era? i watched some of the takai around 02-03, hatsumi is much more older looking. his taijutsu is completely different between the 2 era.

[ninpo4life]

Londinio, there is SOME arguments over whether or not Hatsumi actually knows Ninjutsu. Some say he just made all this stuff up. I personally disagree. Togakure, Gyokushin, and Kumogakure are the 3 schools that are Ninjutsu. I think it would be basically impossible for Hatsumi to MAKE UP all those techniques and weapons and methods by himself.. But you can believe whatever you want. Much respect!

Ninpo

[kempobrad]

nicely put...i've heard some of his former students say...for being 'fake' he can do some pretty strange shit lol

[kempobrad]

such as how to kill a horse quietly..this was the example given.

[londinio]

which dvd is this video on? anyone know?

[owenspence]

This Is CHILDISH!!! If we are all ninja and based on the comments, I would have to say that is he case, or some of us are convinced that we know a lot about it, without actually training in it, then why are we arguing? If you open your eyes, it must be quite apparent, despite the common misconception, that martial art, is martial art, no matter what origin name we give. Taking bits and pieces from the art and calling each piece something different, does not make it different.

[IshiYamaRyuSeattle]

I love the muto dori from this style. Thanks for sharing.

[airwolf511]

I see a lot of textfights wether it is or isn't a jujutsu school, can someone clarify this.

I'm training the 9 schools of the bujinkan, but at a certain kyu we must choose a favorite school, and this will be the one for me.

The only thing I know is that might be a bodyguard school.

many thanks in advance

[JinsukeHP]

Might want to make a note that that is a custom of your own school, rather than a requirement of the entire organization.

[airwolf511]

correct, only within our own shool.

[VladPayne]

i always like how Hatsumi is strict, but at the same time he gives me a lot of LOLZ :D + liked the horizontal draw <3

[sengoku16]

NINJAS=ASIAN SO HAHA! BICHES

[NixeonDead]

the plural of ninja is ninja.

just thought you might be interested

[joshinmaster]

Wow you guys are both dumb asses. it's Takagi Yoshin Ryu style it's a combination of sword countering and Kenjutsu( sword fighting which includes disarms and grappling techniques) not kendo which is just strict martial sport. As far as Hatsumi Soke goes what he teaches is more along the lines of Ninpo ( way of enduring spirit) and yes it is ninjutsu it might not be the hyped up crap you see but real martial arts don't look fancy they get the job done. Real combat arts rarely show flashy moves.

[brentpieczynski]

You're correct, the Way of the Peacock isn't highly functional for combat, instead it centers around Sexual-Selection.

[ninjachelas]

it might not be ninjutsu but hurts a fucking hell

[Daemenus]

really? so easy ?

this is not ninjutsu because it is bujinkan and if you hadnt noticed it was someone else who said it was jujutsu

considering you base a good portion of your arguments on reading u dont do it very well

[JinsukeHP]

It's Takagi Yoshin ryu Jutaijutsu.  It's a form of japanese jujutsu. Only three schools in the Bujinkan are technically considered "ninja" schools, despite the fact that that is the theme Hatsumi sensei teaches under. Jujutsu and jutaijutsu refer to the same sort of fighting. Historic japanese jujutsu is a little different from the modern styles, and I'd even say it has more parallels to the Bujinkan than what most people call ninjutsu.

[Daemenus]

cant find it at the moment... still looking for it tho... but in the meantime... be a dear and name for me anyone who he has taught... now im not talking about bujinkan im talking about full on ninjutsu

[Daemenus]

ah therein lies the rub... the art of ninjutsu dies with hatsumi he has gone on record stating that he will not teach it...

my problem is that the word ninjutsu is too easily thrown onto far too many videos where it truly doesnt belong

that said there are no videos  of true ninjutsu

nice attempt to force me into a corner tho... kinda backfires when u ask for something that doesnt exist tho... not to mention showing YOUR lack of homework

[londinio]

so Hatsumi knows ninjutsu? I'm curious if you know what the difference is between ninjutsu and bujinkan?

I know I am just a guy on the internet but....would you mind giving me a short description of what "true ninjutsu" is?

[owenspence]

The Bujinkan or "Divine Warrior House" is an international training organization based in Chiba Prefecture, Japan. It is headed by Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi, the current generation head of nine ko-ryu or feudal-era traditions passed to him by his teacher, Toshitsugu Takamatsu. Ninjutsu is what this organization teaches. True ninjutsu, is a complete system of combat, based on nine traditions of ninja, as far back as 900 years. Does that help?

[ninpo4life]

Well I'm certainly not an expert on this but... basically, the Bujinkan is an organization of 9 different martial arts. 6 of them where used by the Samurai, and 3 of them by the Ninja. Basically, Hatsumi doesn't teach ALL the skills of the ninja, as some involve poison and such. He emphasizes Taijutsu, the body art, which is basically hand-to-hand combat. If you train with him, don't expect him to teach you how to sneak around, kill emperors and burn down castles. Hope this helps.

Ninpo4life

[luislhg]

Bujinkan is the 9 schools of martial arts from japan united in one.

which 3 from this 9 are ninjutsu schools.

So in bujinkan you learn basically all about japanese martial arts. which ninjutsu is 1/3 of it.

and Ninpo is the fundation of bujinkan as well.

[RodCornholio]

Same with me. Here's the nutshell:

Hatsumi was taught all that goes with being a ninja in Medieval Japan. In the 70's he 1.) understood the lack of a need for many of the Medieval stuff (poisons...raiding castles etc.) 2.) he DID see an application for the hand-to-hand stuff AND he wanted to test if it really worked...so

Ninjutsu is everything, poisons and all. BUJINKAN is the organization that teaches mostly the hand-to-hand stuff FROM ninjutsu.

A square is also a rectangle.

[Arteanor]

@RodCornholio

"Hatsumi was taught all that goes with being a ninja in Medieval Japan"

then why does he have no evidence, and cannot demonstrate the skills?

"In the 70's he 1.) understood the lack of a need for many of the Medieval stuff (poisons...raiding castles etc.) "

you mean, all of the things that ARE ninjutsu.

"2.) he DID see an application for the hand-to-hand stuff AND he wanted to test if it really worked...so"

uh, cite a source. look at takamatsu he knew it worked, and was fake.

[RodCornholio]

@Arteanor Credentialism. No amount of scrolls, historians, endorsements, titles, awards, recognitions, etc. from even the Japanese government itself can counter some youtuber saying "Well, this or that is fake." In 1,000 years, someone can say your existence now is fake too and they will have no evidence to support that claim.

The best I can suggest is to simply call the Bujinkan IN JAPAN and ask. Get someone who speaks Japanese to help if you don't. Any source I give will not satisfy you.

[Arteanor]

@RodCornholio

"No amount of scrolls, historians, endorsements, titles, awards, recognitions, etc. from even the Japanese government itself can counter some youtuber saying "Well, this or that is fake."'

are you describing your own position? or attempting to setup a weak strawman?

you seem to take issue with discussions of evidence, but let me be more clear, hatsumi claims multiple scrolls/densho, which he claim date to the edo period, but takamatsu said he received none in the BRD, odd hmm?

[RodCornholio]

@Arteanor I have no position, I only present summation from what I have gathered.

You will find that truth, reality, and fact are basically separate but there are shaded areas in the spectrum/continuum where they merge.

Again, I suggest calling Hatsumi's "place" and asking questions, then drawing your own insights.

Unless you build a time machine and use it, you'll never find out what really went on.

[Arteanor]

@RodCornholio

"Again, I suggest calling Hatsumi's "place" and asking questions, then drawing your own insights."

ah i hoped you would say that. would it be ok if the author of the book Shinobi Soldiers did it? he asked to be able to see the ninjutsu scrolls that the bujinkan members of YT claim are open viewing, the response from hatsumi was that he already published his ninjutsu scrolls but he has only ever shown the ones for budo, and this was all he would consider.

[Arteanor]

@RodCornholio

"Unless you build a time machine and use it, you'll never find out what really went on."

except we are speaking of a time that is NOT beyond our purview to deduce.

if there is a claim being made ( like a 800 year old koryu ninjutsu ryu) then the burden of evidence is on the claimant. and if you are not willing to support your claims, don't expect serious people to take you serious.

the precise reason hatsumi is not in a koryu/kobudo organization.

[Arteanor]

@RodCornholio

"Ninjutsu is everything"

it's always fun when someone in debate CLAIMS their position has evidence EVERYWHERE, muslims chistians geo-centrists aids denialists..

"BJK is the organization that teaches mostly the hand-to-hand stuff FROM ninjutsu"

uh, sure it is.. and what makes you believe the style of martial arts you are being told is 'ninjutsu' isn't? what if its misnamed/renamed? it would make sense since the scrolls say it is bujutsu not budo

A square is also a rectangle.

[RodCornholio]

@Arteanor @Arteanor I'm sure the folks at this site would appreciate a discussion with you and you are not limited to 500 characters per post.

martialartsplanet . com / forums / archive /index . php/t-58702 . html

(Take out spaces)

Enjoy.

[Arteanor]

@RodCornholio

i do not use MAP, i prefer sites that do not allows such flagrant and baseless accusations steeped in logical fallacies, to masquerade as the truth...

when the mods stop letting the trolls dictate the rules, that may change...

want a real discussion? go to E-budo com quite possibly the BEST forum for budo i have seen.

"The best I can suggest is to simply call the Bujinkan IN JAPAN and ask"

TSOAS2008's new video shows what that gets us... go check it out...

[blackjohnny0]

@RodCornholio That village man beats no-one in real life.

[Arteanor]

@RodCornholio

"Ninjutsu is everything, poisons and all. BUJINKAN is the organization that teaches mostly the hand-to-hand stuff FROM ninjutsu."

ninjutsu is NOT everything...

in fact. there is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that ninjutsu IS or INCLUDES any sort of Martial art ( fighting) components.

however there is lots that shows that the ninjutsu claims made by hatsumi are untrue...

complete lack of historical densho, fictional teachers, changing the name to togakure ryu.

[flybyguitar]

to my understanding, bujinkan is just some of the teachings on ninjutsu, i train in a different style. I would consider any style of ninjutsu true ninjutsu, it may just not have some things or may take things from other styles. The style i train in uses many concepts form aikido, jujitsu, and other styles not just ninjutsu

[kempobrad]

basically ninjutsu is one part of the training, the part he doesn't actively teach everyone because nobody really wants to practice stealth, gathering herbs, making smoke bombs and the like, nor is there really any need for it. so bujinkan budo taijutsu is just the martial art aspect of 'ninpo' according to his long time student Stephen Hayes.

[KOC23LBJ]

stephen hayes is a bitch and disrespected the dojo and his board was put in the herb drawer which is to b forgotten. i study this form and have meet dr.hatsumi in japan and the states its more than defending and stealth its a way of life

[kempobrad]

and i'm sure hatsumi would just love that you're going around slandering people and calling them names...probably people you've never met at that. what are you 12?

[Groovemaster2k]

certain of those elements such as stealth, and crude blinding powder (baby powder) is taught. Not poison and other metsubushi though

[Creationsofmyown]

your own words defeat you

"relates Taijutsu to Ninjutsu and to the Bujinkan" my only point is that none of these things ARE the other. bujinkan is NOT ninjutsu it is a different art... i realize this destroys your fantasy that you are studying ninjutsu but unfortunately, you arent... i cant make that much clearer...

[Creationsofmyown]

you are incorrect... bujinkan is NOT ninjutsu

why do you think Hatsumi-san has NEVER called it that?

[Creationsofmyown]

this video is incorrectly tagged as ninjutsu... this is jujutsu

[stormhawk31]

I admire this man greatly

[Groovemaster2k]

me too! can't wait to start training! Have to wait for my achilles tendon to heal first though :(

[streetkunedo]

Amazing work.