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- WOW. If memory serves there were only sounds in this video. So now it's against the Law to use everyday sounds? Okay, makes sense. I mean, you upload a photo of yourself and instantly. "Copyright material" But not yours. A Dr discovers that an unheard of cell is present in a child and copyrights it so that if anyone else even studies it they have to pay him?
well i congratulate you on not approving comments that one honest/fair thing you did.
But your arguments are based on ignorance and misunderstand of evolution and its mechanisms, can you define me evo. and its mech. of functions to prove me wrong?
Make yourself a cup of tea, get nice and comfy, and watch a video entitled Tom Clark Presents Naturalism (58mins) on GoogleVideo. You'll be so much wiser for it.
The logic of this video is NOT logical. If the creator (of this video) really believed in what they are saying then WAY is it that they disabled the rating system? WHAT are you afraid of, being exposed to negative votes. Christian dogma is the only thing that is really illogical I mean, just how do you decide which miracles to believe? Go ahead, walk on water with that one.
@verywest Dude, Of course this video is not logical, because it is what you believe! I disable ratings because people rate only based on whether they are naturalist or creationist. I may enable them and see how folks like you rate your own beliefs. In fact, I may just open up rating, just for you. Not a big deal to me. How do I decide what miracles to believe? Well, my wife was healed of a kidney stone and the doctors were baffled! I believe in that one and all the ones of the Bible.
song was sadly appropriate "waa, I dont want to be responsible, dependable or rational (also digital, wut?). I guess Ill just beg for people to tell me what to think and what to do, and then make creepy whiney animal noises"
So, now, even though whales have vestigial pelvises and even though whales have been found with legs, and even though we have several well-documented transitional forms...whales didn't really evolve from land mammals. HAHA!
Wow. What utter rubbish. Just because this guy understands nothing, doesn't mean that god exists. If he had grounds to stand on, he would enable the ratings for this video, and watch as he gets an overwhelming thumbs down.
I'm sorry, but this is a false claim. Genetics has revealed everything we need to know to show that evolution is a fact even if we had no bones, and we now know that demons are not causing sickness and disease...welcome to the present.
this is hilarious and at the same time pathetic. this is the worst video iv seen yet trying to make fun of evolution. tell me something is it more logical to say that we don't know how the universe got here and try to answer it by observing the world around us. or just saying god created it and leave it at that.
@platinum014 The natural can not come into existence on it's own. There has to be something above and beyond nature to create the natural ex nihilo. The big bang theory supports this. Everything that begins to exist has a cause. All the theories of abiogenesis have failed too. Many HAVE observed the world and universe around us and are out of ideas (except wacky ones) because they reject the possibility of the supernatural. Being closed minded has brought them to a brick wall.
@Proverbs8 the big bang is still just a theory. i think as technology advances and more evidence is found we will know how the universe started, but until then no one is in the position to say how it did.
@platinum014 You should learn what the scientific definition of a theory is. Hint: it's the closest to "fact" you can come scientifically. If it were "still just a hypothesis", it wouldn't be the foundation for all astronomical understanding. Google evidence for the big bang and please, stop spreading misinformation. It makes you look utterly absurd to anyone with the slightest scientific education.
@YourBrainOnReligion whatever. even if the big bang theory is dead on accurate. who's to say what triggered it. what if there was an event before the big bang that started the beginning of the universe? i really don't think we will ever know. you can say that a god or something beyond nature started it... ok that's your opinion fine. but in my opinion i think there was something before our universe.
@platinum014 If the big bang theory is dead on accurate we can say quite confidently what triggered it. Google plank time. Asking what happened before the big bang is like me asking you to tell me what is more south than the south pole. You're asking what happened before time even existed.. before "happenings" were possible. You think there was something prior based upon what?
There is no reason to invoke the supernatural to explain the origins of our universe. Welcome to the year 2010.
@YourBrainOnReligion i agree with you that there is nothing to invoke the supernatural. that was just kind of a comment to Proverbs8. i just think there might have been something before our universe.
@Proverbs8 please explain how abiogenesis has failed (have you heard of the Miller Urey experiment?). Furthermore, you have refuted no claims; you have created straw-man examples of scientific claims and digitally laughed at them. Can you provide an alternative explanation that explains the data existing in the fossil record?
@Proverbs8 then if the natural can't come on existence on its own (even if it is a very slow process of changes in which some structures prevail and other perish), how did the natural came to be ? A super natural force ? Then what created that super natural force and did it came to be ? If anything has a start, it's far more reasonable to think that what we see is what is real and what happened, and not believe in 2000 yr old fairy tales.
Thanks for that video link, this weirdo troll mrmegatruth/bencubed really is stupid, no wonder he can only troll this video and do nothing else, he is thick as shit!
That retarded megamoron/bencubed has no life, what a retard. Like you say he monitors this video and says nothing , he is losing really badly on points he should give up, the more he posts without forming an argument the points we get, like you said, another 1000 points to us.
" you can tell he has no argument and just declares victory hahahaha"
yep, everytime he comes here and trolls and spams but does not answer any of my points on evolution then it demonstrates that he has lost the debate, the more bencubed posts that he has won then the more he is admitting he lost the debate with me and is trying to save face, and the more he does this then the more he is admitting he is a troll with a failed argument.
What else can you expect of the troll bencubed and his immature antics of posting to his sock account, when he started making it personal and then started using his sock account mr megatruth which is an ironic name when you can see how dishonest he is then he altready lost the debate, he showed that he is not able to support his fish to philosopher fairytale and can only troll instead.
The weirdo troll mrmegatruth is embarrased that his bencubed sock account has been exposed, after making an idiot of himself in debate he is trying to distance himself from his failure and the stupid retarded remarks he made with his bencubed sock account, he can't hide from his stupidity, and now all he is trying to do is save face by trolling which seems all he is good for, The moronic troll mrmegatruth and his sock accounts have been exposed!
"trans, bentubed, and megamoron are all the same sock troll"
if you know anymore sock accounts of this troll mrmegatruth then please let me know, I find it rather sad and pathetic that in my debate with his bencubed sock account he could not defend his faith in naturalistic evolution so he started to troll me instead but then on top of that he got so desperate and bought out his megatruth account, thanks for letting me know about this troll and his sock puppets.
Well I am glad you guys let me know about this megatruth weirdo, I just thought he was a random nutcase following me and posting weird messages but it was happening when I was humiliating his bencubed sock puppet, so this bencubed called out his sock puppet to help him out, how retarded is that, and you say that they say they win when they get beat in debate more confirmation that they are the same, person, you say he trolls with an account called trans too? damn!
@MrMegatruth .. I am counting one win for each nonsense comment directed at me, and two for the ones shared with another creatard. By that count I have scored 9 points in the last eight hours alone, and all by just sitting back and letting these goofs spout off. Since these guys refuse to engage in rational debate, or have no inkling what it is, they lose each time they make any feeble attempt to suggest otherwise.
@benttubb hahahaha keep counting asshole. Nobody's paying attention to your delusions. "Since these guys refuse to engage in a rational debate" HAR HAR HAR you're cracking me up moron. First YOU refuse to accept my challenge and say you're not wasting your time on fools and now you're yapping about our not debating you. hahahahahaha Make up your mind asshole. OH I FORGOT you're a liar.
NOW either take the test or shut the fuck up dunce boy.
@bencubed No points for you asshole. You said you weren't going to waste any time on us and now you're still running your mouth. Ready to take my test?
This bencubed/megatruth can only troll people with his various sock accounts, he failed to defend his position, if you go thru the debate then you will see how he failed, he just started making it personal when he was failing and then he ended up getting desperate and started talking to his own megatruth sock puppet, pathetic! Bencubed and his sock accounts are exposed, he can only troll and make a fool of himself, he is another evolutionist troll that fails!
i asked the troll bencubed who is mrmegatruths sock account, what mechanisms were observed to cause amphibian to reptile evolution, this is what he replied:
"Now, do you mean the process of eggs laid on land, or whether someone was there to observe it happen for the first time?"
That is how stupid he is, he should hang his head in shame for being so stupid, no wonder he resorts to trolling and needs his sock because he fails so badly!
megamoron, this megatruth guy is weird, he came and trolled me on some videos, but i just thought he was some random weirdo that had no life and was trolling for attention, it seems he is a friend of bencubed who has been trolling here for the last few days, they are both as stipid and weird as each other, bencubed thinks foaming at the mouth about creationism makes darwinian evolution true, he really is that stupid.
if you scroll back and see just how little bencubed knows, it is embarrasing, he cannot defend his faith in naturalistic evolution so he trolls instead, he might have brought his boyfriend this weird mrmegatruth to help him troll, but if they can only troll then bencubed has lost the argument.
Thanks for the message, well I didn't know much about this bencubed the last few days but when I was debating him then he showed he did not know anything about his faith and he ended up trolling because he could not defend his faith in evolution, and then it seemed he called one of his friends this megatruth dude, i thought he was just some retarded nut, so ignored him, but now having seen his posts I would have to say that he and bencubed are both stupid and weird.
yeah you keep trolling and putting girly abbrevations because it shows you are too retarded to make an intelligent argument, well done for admitting that you failed and all you have is trolling left, carry on troll, that is all you are good for.
Oh I'm having fun with em. I won't waste my time engaging in rational debate because the term has no meaning to them. Instead I let them know each post they direct towards me is a waste of their own time and marks a win for me.
They can't help themselves and go on, and on, and on.
I score double points when they rant to each other about me.
It's easy, like shooting fish in a barrel, just letting them go at it.
"it counts as a double WIN for those of us not participating."
by posting you are participating you moron, you really are retarded
HAHA!
calling in your sock account mrmegatruth to help you out because you couldn't defend yourself, how pathetic is that, talking to your sock account because you couldn't defend your silly fish to philosopher fairytale, so sad that trolling and using your sock account is all you have because you cannot defend your silly fairytale.
"Oh I'm having fun with em. I won't waste my time engaging in rational debate "
You aren't capable of rational debate, that is why you troll instead, you are not having fun with us laughing at your stupidity, that is why you are trying to save face that you failed to defend your faith but you are too stupid to do it with logic, so you resort to trolling instead, inviting your troll friend to help you out won't save you from your stupidity.
I know you will mrmegatruth, because you need to validate yourself because you are butt hurt that people are laughing at your stupidity, the funny thing was when you said that you are not participating, yeah that makes sense, you keep posting but not participating, which is a contradiction, you are one stupid asshole, no wonder you resort to trolling instead of defending your silly fairytale.
Ladies And Gentlemen, There is a retard on Youtube called Mrmegatruth that does not even know what theory of evolution he believes in, He does not know the difference between England and Great Britain and he even thinks Watergate didn't happen, If you want to see confirmation of how retarded megatruth is then check out this video about him.
watch?v=YKY3oPwyXtw
He doesn't know the difference between a positive and a negative and gets in a muddle.
@bencubed You don't get points for anything unless you get points for being a dumshit. If so you have mountains of points. You're a coward and a liar. Now if you don't have time to waste with us, just shut the fuck up. Otherwise agree to take my test and prove you have SOME backbone. Otherwise get the fuck out of hers asshole.
look at bencubed he said he had no time, but he is pretending to laugh off the fact that we are pointing out his stupidity, the more he does it the more he realizes just how stupid he is and what a failure he is.
dont feed the troll bencubed, at least he admits that he cannot defend his faith in his fish to philosopher fairytale so has to resort to trolling instead, do not feed the troll bencubed, let the retarded troll bencubed that knows jack shit about the very thing he says is true go back under his bridge, he cannot defend his position so like the mental midget he is, resorts to trolling instead.
Shut the fuck up and stop preaching your bullshit. You're all worse than the fanatical televangelists. It's all yap yap yap with you fuckers and you say atheism is a lack of belief? You're a bunch of hypocritical fucking liars. Take your religion and shove it up your ass.
I stopped watching at 1:14 when it stated "nothing plus nothing...." If you can't even get the premise that you disagree with correct, then why bother making a video.
The giant man in the sky made all 6 billion of us. This one man knows all, loves all, and cares about every single one of us. (Que laugh track)
What is the only difference between humans and all other life forms? I'm glad you asked Proverbs8. The answer is..... wow the suspense is killing you isn't it.... humans know that one day they are going to die.
Isn't it lucky that when that horrible day happens that you will go to a magical place and live forever? And....... Que laugh track.
"A very healthy sign that you reject the concept of spontaneous generation of life caused by a supernatural source"
Yeah I am sure he rejects abiogenesis which at present is a supernatural explanation for how the first living cell came into being.
"It seems you are just itching for a rational explanation."
So he won't be itching for an explanation that blind and non rational forces brought things into being, the non rational explanation that you believe in.
Science does not declare a 'supernatural' explanation for abiogenesis.
That would be religion's role.
Science may not have all the details yet understood, but in the meantime does not advance a non-rational theory. It is content to wait, observe, explore, experiment and most likely eventually discover a full explanation.
That is how science works, by rational steps.
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Irrational belief goes by many names, few of them positive or healthy.
"Science does not declare a 'supernatural' explanation for abiogenesis."
You are a little slow to understand the point, the point is not saying that there is a supernatural explanation for abiogenesis, the point is that abiogenesis goes against what is observed in nature and thus is a supernatural explanation.
' .. the point is that abiogenesis goes against what is observed in nature and thus is a supernatural explanation.'
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There is a major difference between what is observed in nature and what is understood.
Science does not pretend to understand all natural phenomena, but research is the process that has given us the level of understanding we now have, and is what will continue to expand that knowledge.
Lack of knowledge does not constitute evidence of the supernatural.
@EternalSkeptic9 .. The argument could be made that the reproduction of single-cell organisms requires the intelligence existing within that cell. I will concede that.
Your wish is to attribute it to an intelligence other than the cell itself. Correct me if I am wrong.
"Science may not have all the details yet understood, but in the meantime does not advance a non-rational theory."
But nature as you understand from the perspective of the atheist is non rational and blind, it is not teleological, therefore abiogenesis is a non rational theory for how things came to be, either things are here by intelligence or by blind and non rational forces and thus you believe in a non rational explanation.
"Irrational belief goes by many names, few of them positive or healthy".
And if your brain and human thinking is ultimately the result of blind and non rational forces then not only have you no grounding to talk about irrationality but you cannot justify that your thinking is rational or that your beliefs are rational.
Evidence exists for the natural process of abiogenesis.
It is there for those willing or inclined to look it up.
Stromatolites and organisms existing in extreme underwater thermal vents are considered to be the indications of earliest life on earth.
Evolution is what followed.
There was an explosion of aerobic life when algae evolved and the process of photosynthesis produced massive amounts of oxygen, just as it does today.
@bencubed "Stromatolites and organisms existing in extreme underwater thermal vents are considered to be the indications of earliest life on earth."
Sorry, but that explanation isn't true. Those vents do spew nutrients for a select group of bottom feeders but that in no way implies "How early life arose." On the contrary, it's simply earths recycling center where ocean floor wast moving towards the recycling center gets vented back upwards through a break in the crust!
I'm sure you are familiar with the term ' food-chain '.
Mammals and advanced marine lifeforms such as sharks and marine mammals are near the top. Follow it backwards to find the earliest and simplest forms of life, including those on the microbial level.
Anaerobic dead-sea zones exist without any life whatsoever.
@bencubed For their to be a "food chain" their has to be LIFE. So no matter how you try to spin it you still cannot escape this fact - Life comes ONLY from life.
BTW: Thanks for noticing the spelling error. That still don't make you right for following a Naturalist religious view of Life!
atheists do not have natural explanations for how the universe came to be, only supernatural explanations, I do not have enough faith to believe in their supernatural chance.
Consistent and repetitive bad spelling is an indication of the same ignorance contained within the education and mentality of the poster, so it is hardly just 'ankle-biting'.
The evolution of a food chain on earth is recognizabel and exists to this day.
Sorry you wish to jump from that subject and move the goal-posts to another wider subject such as the process of the evolution of the universe.
However, galaxies' life and death are also observable and understood.
Richard Branson was a high school drop out, I can name many more that are more intelligent than you, anklebiting about his spelling shows you have no argument.
"Sorry you wish to jump from that subject and move the goal-posts to another wider subject such as the process of the evolution of the universe."
I mentioned biological life and the universe from the very beginning,cont:
Furthermore I am happy for you to prove that life arose from non living matter as well as providing a naturalistic explanation for how the universe came to be, I find it very humourous that you have to sneak the word "evolution" in there, hahahhahahhahha, you are like an atheist parody that takes your evolutionary faith to the extreme, in order to evolve you have to have something to evolve from, if you cannot prove that a living organism came from dead matter, cont:
Frankly, I could hardly care less about something as obscure as the origins of the universe, but until someone comes forward with evidence of an 'omnipotent hand' behind it all, I can remain quite comfortable in the assumptiion that it is the result of natural causes, not supernatural.
I have faith in reason existing even before it being presented to me.
The supernatural is not contingent on an omnipotent hand, for something to be supernatural all it has to do is violate natural laws.
You are not an agnostic or a fence sitter, you believe in the supernatural for how the universe came to be and you are too cowardly to stand up and defend it so now you hide behind agnosticism, Priceless!
You are projecting, now instead of running your funny little movies about yourself on to me and instead of running to agnosticism even though you are a hardline atheist then how about being consistent, now where is this natural explanation for how the universe came to be?
There are a number of reasonable theories backed by obseration and evidence about how the universe came to be.
Thesim is not one of them.
I personally, don't know or really care, but I do care that religion would sieze upon humanity's ignorance and take advantage of it in a mercenary manner to advance an absurd mythology to use as a tool of social indoctrination.
'Religion is a superstition hijacked by a philosophy.'
@bencubed Sorry, but the evidence for the Creation is OVERWHELMING. Outside of that universal fact exists no evidence to the contrary. Job 38:4
And if we peal back the layers of the earth what do we find?
Yes, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." If it were not so then the earth would have no foundation nor layers. It would be as you say. "a cooled molten rock." But Modern Geology confirms the Bibles ancient wisdom & not evolutions "Fairy Tales." eh.
@meanmopar426 .. The existence of the world and the cosmos does not constitute evidence of it's cause. Evidence of it's actions, movement, nature and dynamics does contribute to an understanding of a reasonable hypothesis of cause. Theism does not not offer this.
@bencubed The whole Universe follows the Laws that Govern it. Therefore, it stands to reason that man should as well.
You can theorize all ya want, but the clear unavoidable fact is Creation is a product of a Super Intelligent Mind that planned to bring it about from the very beginning. Now how did He build it? Ps 104. Why is it in a chaotic state? Gen 1 Was it laid on a foundation? Job 38.
Is that theistic logic? No. Revealed knowledge? Yes.
@bencubed For your information. The Bible is made up of 66 separate but thoroughly peer reviewed books. So your "Circular logic" statement fell apart as soon as you posted it.
thus you agree with meanmopar that there is an intelligence behind the universe, either the universe is the result of an intelligence or is the result of non intelligent forces, the fact you mention zeus does nothing to defeat that fact, it just means you differ on the nature of the intelligence that does not change the fact that those are the only two options on the table.
"Evidence of it's actions, movement, nature and dynamics does contribute to an understanding of a reasonable hypothesis of cause. Theism does not not offer this."
And thus you show your ignorance of the underlying assumptions of science and the theists/scientists who influenced the coming of modern science.
@EternalSkeptic9 .. Which 'underlying assumptions of science' are you referring to? .. and I take it your use of the term 'assumptions' is the excuse for their not being articulated anywhere by science.
Otherwise, please share them here.
You are unlikely to find any references to any god in science texts over the last century, unless written from a theological perspective, which by definition is not science. Funny that.
"and I take it your use of the term 'assumptions' is the excuse for their not being articulated anywhere by science"
Why would scientists assume that their senses can give them accurate information about the world if their brains are ultimately the result of blind, non intelligent and random forces?
Please do tell how atheism justifies that assumption.
If atheism is true then why would scientists believe that the universe operates in a lawful, rational and orderly manner? how does atheism pressupose an order and rationality to how the universe operates?
If atheism is true and there is no objective right and wrong and morality is relative then why should scientists report their results honestly and accurately, why is it morally wrong for scientists to lie about their results if morality is nothing more than personal preference?
"unless written from a theological perspective, which by definition is not science. Funny that"
And yet theology drives your faith in Darwinism, you use theology to argue against teleology in biology and your faith in Darwinism is a religion because it is based on just so stories that are outside of emperical science, You make claims against others and yet you lack self awareness.
And yet the darwinist just so stories that you believe in are outside of emperical science which shows that darwinism is your religion and you use theological arguments against god and how he would design things and thus theology drives your darwinist faith but you are too ignorant to realize it.
Congratulations on laying more strawman arguments in a row than anyone would imagine possible. Atheism presents none of the rationale for all the things you claim it to.
Whatever thoughts or beliefs any atheist has about them simpiy does not, by definition, include a god.
There is an abundance of scientific rationale for all the things you mention, and no doubt, most atheists ascribe to some or many of them, but atheism does not require belief in any of them.
"There is an abundance of scientific rationale for all the things you mention, and no doubt, most atheists ascribe to some or many of them, but atheism does not require belief in any of them."
And how does atheism support scientific rationale? there are two choices, either the universe is here by an intelligence or by blind and non rational and non intelligent forces, you have rejected intelligence so you are left with blind, non rational and non intelligence, cont:
How is it a false dichotomy, either the universe is here by an intelligence or it is here by a process absent of any intelligence, what is the third option?
I expect you to back up this claim of a false dichotomy
So how does atheism justify sense perception as being accurate and correct?, if the brain and the sensory apparatus is here by blind, non intelligent and non rational forces then how does that justify the assumption that scientists senses can give them accurate information about the world?
"atheism makes no claims regarding our senses other than that it does not accept the sensory imagined element of a mythological being."
Thus atheists have rejected that the brain and the sensing apparatus is intelligenly designed thus for atheists it is the product of blind and non intelligent forces, you claim this is a false dichotomy so what is another option?
Before observation takes place in science then scientists have to have an idea of what they want to observe, why would scientists assume that the universe operates in a rational, orderly and lawful manner if atheism is true and the universe came fron a non rational, random and non intelligent means? How does atheism justify the belief that the universe operates in a lawful and orderly manner instead of pressuposing disorder and unintelligibility?
Why should scientists publish their research honestly and accurately if atheists are correct that morality is subjective and nothing more than personal preference?
"Science provides ample evidence for the evolutionary roots of morality"
To call evolutionary psychology a science is a joke, it is a soft science at best and even steven jay gould called it a collection of just so stories.
Furthermore you are saying there is no intelligence for how man came to be and yet nature does not have a goal or intention for how people should act or behave, cont:
Any particular collection of molecules would behave how any other similar collection of molecules would behave, if there is no source outside of man for moral values then moral values become subjective and nothing more than personal preference, if there is no objective right and wrong then there is no grounding to say any scientists behaviour is moral or immoral, appealing to the pseudo science of evo psychology shows that you are the major failure.
"Atheism makes no assertion regarding nature of the universe." "And the kind of irrationality associated with belief in the supernatural, essentially meaning superstition, by definition irrational"
And yet you are making a metaphysical claim that the supernatural is superstitious and irrational.
You would make a lousy lawyer because you undermine your own argument by contradicting yourself.
1st you say atheism makes no assertion of the nature of the universe, then you contradict yourself and say that the supernatural is irrational and superstitious and thus rules out the supernatural as a cause of the universe, you are in a mess and contradict yourself.
As you believe your brain is the result of forces that are devoid of any intelligence or rationality then you really have no grounding to say what others believe is irrational.
Furthermore you have just defined yourself as irrational and superstitious because you hold the supernatural belief that the universe created itself, that defies natural law and is thus a supernatural belief, so well done for defining yourself as superstitious and irrational. hahhahahahha
'My' brain is the result of the reproduction by two people with similiar brains, resulting in an offspring, not by anythiing else. This is called biological evolution, if you didn't know, as it seems you don't.
Simple survival is the compelling biological imperative behind moral behavior, and it isn't limited to man. Most animals nurture their offspring, cooperate socially and reciprocate behaviour as social functions needed to survive.
"This is called biological evolution, if you didn't know, as it seems you don't."
Nice Projection, your parents producing you is biogenesis, that is life producing life, something that goes against your faith that a living organism can arise on its own from dead matter, it is also an example of like producing like, the evolution you believe in is one type of living thing producing something completely different, a simple point for your simple mind.
"NOTICE
This video contains an audio track that has not been authorized by all copyright holders. The audio has been disabled"
- WOW. If memory serves there were only sounds in this video. So now it's against the Law to use everyday sounds? Okay, makes sense. I mean, you upload a photo of yourself and instantly. "Copyright material" But not yours. A Dr discovers that an unheard of cell is present in a child and copyrights it so that if anyone else even studies it they have to pay him?
meanmopar426 1 month ago
well i congratulate you on not approving comments that one honest/fair thing you did.
But your arguments are based on ignorance and misunderstand of evolution and its mechanisms, can you define me evo. and its mech. of functions to prove me wrong?
tigerclaw1000 1 month ago
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If you don't know the science, why are you whining about it?
odinata 5 months ago
Cute music video... terrible argument.
jussts 6 months ago
Can't tell if troll or just really stupid.
ThePuppyTurtle 6 months ago
Make yourself a cup of tea, get nice and comfy, and watch a video entitled Tom Clark Presents Naturalism (58mins) on GoogleVideo. You'll be so much wiser for it.
geminigemini 7 months ago
The logic of this video is NOT logical. If the creator (of this video) really believed in what they are saying then WAY is it that they disabled the rating system? WHAT are you afraid of, being exposed to negative votes. Christian dogma is the only thing that is really illogical I mean, just how do you decide which miracles to believe? Go ahead, walk on water with that one.
verywest 8 months ago
@verywest Dude, Of course this video is not logical, because it is what you believe! I disable ratings because people rate only based on whether they are naturalist or creationist. I may enable them and see how folks like you rate your own beliefs. In fact, I may just open up rating, just for you. Not a big deal to me. How do I decide what miracles to believe? Well, my wife was healed of a kidney stone and the doctors were baffled! I believe in that one and all the ones of the Bible.
Proverbs8 8 months ago
@verywest Ok. done. Vote away!
Proverbs8 8 months ago
song was sadly appropriate "waa, I dont want to be responsible, dependable or rational (also digital, wut?). I guess Ill just beg for people to tell me what to think and what to do, and then make creepy whiney animal noises"
yup creationism in a nutshell
jwfcp 9 months ago
So, now, even though whales have vestigial pelvises and even though whales have been found with legs, and even though we have several well-documented transitional forms...whales didn't really evolve from land mammals. HAHA!
DeaconVerter 10 months ago
You Sir are awarded no points.
Pike25x99 1 year ago
If you replace the hourglass with a magic wand, you get the alternative version. Don't get how it could be more reasonable. Utter rubbish.
jceiras 1 year ago
Wow. What utter rubbish. Just because this guy understands nothing, doesn't mean that god exists. If he had grounds to stand on, he would enable the ratings for this video, and watch as he gets an overwhelming thumbs down.
dawnbringerSO 1 year ago
"evolution is merely bones and hope"
I'm sorry, but this is a false claim. Genetics has revealed everything we need to know to show that evolution is a fact even if we had no bones, and we now know that demons are not causing sickness and disease...welcome to the present.
IntelligentProbe 1 year ago
This video is science fail.
goonodeath 1 year ago
0/10
Sinnessa 1 year ago
this is hilarious and at the same time pathetic. this is the worst video iv seen yet trying to make fun of evolution. tell me something is it more logical to say that we don't know how the universe got here and try to answer it by observing the world around us. or just saying god created it and leave it at that.
platinum014 1 year ago
@platinum014 The natural can not come into existence on it's own. There has to be something above and beyond nature to create the natural ex nihilo. The big bang theory supports this. Everything that begins to exist has a cause. All the theories of abiogenesis have failed too. Many HAVE observed the world and universe around us and are out of ideas (except wacky ones) because they reject the possibility of the supernatural. Being closed minded has brought them to a brick wall.
Proverbs8 1 year ago
@Proverbs8 the big bang is still just a theory. i think as technology advances and more evidence is found we will know how the universe started, but until then no one is in the position to say how it did.
platinum014 1 year ago
@platinum014 You should learn what the scientific definition of a theory is. Hint: it's the closest to "fact" you can come scientifically. If it were "still just a hypothesis", it wouldn't be the foundation for all astronomical understanding. Google evidence for the big bang and please, stop spreading misinformation. It makes you look utterly absurd to anyone with the slightest scientific education.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion whatever. even if the big bang theory is dead on accurate. who's to say what triggered it. what if there was an event before the big bang that started the beginning of the universe? i really don't think we will ever know. you can say that a god or something beyond nature started it... ok that's your opinion fine. but in my opinion i think there was something before our universe.
platinum014 1 year ago
@platinum014 If the big bang theory is dead on accurate we can say quite confidently what triggered it. Google plank time. Asking what happened before the big bang is like me asking you to tell me what is more south than the south pole. You're asking what happened before time even existed.. before "happenings" were possible. You think there was something prior based upon what?
There is no reason to invoke the supernatural to explain the origins of our universe. Welcome to the year 2010.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion i agree with you that there is nothing to invoke the supernatural. that was just kind of a comment to Proverbs8. i just think there might have been something before our universe.
platinum014 1 year ago
@Proverbs8 please explain how abiogenesis has failed (have you heard of the Miller Urey experiment?). Furthermore, you have refuted no claims; you have created straw-man examples of scientific claims and digitally laughed at them. Can you provide an alternative explanation that explains the data existing in the fossil record?
somhairle1314 1 year ago
@Proverbs8 then if the natural can't come on existence on its own (even if it is a very slow process of changes in which some structures prevail and other perish), how did the natural came to be ? A super natural force ? Then what created that super natural force and did it came to be ? If anything has a start, it's far more reasonable to think that what we see is what is real and what happened, and not believe in 2000 yr old fairy tales.
jceiras 1 year ago
what video is this that we should watch??
rubixxcube 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
HAHA!
Thanks for that video link, this weirdo troll mrmegatruth/bencubed really is stupid, no wonder he can only troll this video and do nothing else, he is thick as shit!
HAHA!
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
Ok im gonna check out that video about this megatruth/bencubed weirdo troll.
HAHA!
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
That retarded megamoron/bencubed has no life, what a retard. Like you say he monitors this video and says nothing , he is losing really badly on points he should give up, the more he posts without forming an argument the points we get, like you said, another 1000 points to us.
HAHA!
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
Score count +8 more last 7 hours
in favour of rationality
bencubed 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
do you just use other people stuff?
are you not smart enough to come up with comebacks of your own?
hi too many accounts to list
MrMegatruth 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
"lie"
are you es8?
are you bigusdikus0?
please tell the truth
MrMegatruth 1 year ago
Count +2
bencubed 1 year ago
Each irrational troll comment counts +1
Troll to troll comment counts +2
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Last three hour count = +4
bencubed 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
" you can tell he has no argument and just declares victory hahahaha"
yep, everytime he comes here and trolls and spams but does not answer any of my points on evolution then it demonstrates that he has lost the debate, the more bencubed posts that he has won then the more he is admitting he lost the debate with me and is trying to save face, and the more he does this then the more he is admitting he is a troll with a failed argument.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
What else can you expect of the troll bencubed and his immature antics of posting to his sock account, when he started making it personal and then started using his sock account mr megatruth which is an ironic name when you can see how dishonest he is then he altready lost the debate, he showed that he is not able to support his fish to philosopher fairytale and can only troll instead.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
hi eternalskeptic8 aka bigusdikus0 aka yeaitsmeyourtard aka imyourhuckleberry aka eternalskeptic7 aka eternalseptic77
did i miss any? oh yeah, hi youknowfeckall
MrMegatruth 1 year ago
Great, a +9 hour ! That's more like it .
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3 singles and 3 double troll to troll comments Keep it up and enjoy yourselves.
I'll check in again later.
bencubed 1 year ago
Hmm, .. weak count 1/2 point .
Try harder please.
bencubed 1 year ago
That's more like it.
DING DING DING score +3
bencubed 1 year ago
Scoring is a bit slower here tonight.
Come on creatards, pick up the pace !
bencubed 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
look a dancing primate
MrMegatruth 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
hey, max said nobody is paying attention
so max thinks you are a nobody, that is funny
MrMegatruth 1 year ago
' take the test '
This IS the test
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed WELL YOU JUST FAILED
You're test score is 0%
We own you. hahahahahaha
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
@MaximusArurealius
i win
MrMegatruth 1 year ago
@MrMegaDunce hahahahahahaha
You won the Ugly DummASS Contest! CONGRATULATIONS ASSHOLE
HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
8+ more
bencubed 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz I guess in this game whoever can just make up the most points wins? HAHAHAHAHAHA
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
3 points +
bencubed 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
The weirdo troll mrmegatruth is embarrased that his bencubed sock account has been exposed, after making an idiot of himself in debate he is trying to distance himself from his failure and the stupid retarded remarks he made with his bencubed sock account, he can't hide from his stupidity, and now all he is trying to do is save face by trolling which seems all he is good for, The moronic troll mrmegatruth and his sock accounts have been exposed!
HAHA!
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
"trans, bentubed, and megamoron are all the same sock troll"
if you know anymore sock accounts of this troll mrmegatruth then please let me know, I find it rather sad and pathetic that in my debate with his bencubed sock account he could not defend his faith in naturalistic evolution so he started to troll me instead but then on top of that he got so desperate and bought out his megatruth account, thanks for letting me know about this troll and his sock puppets.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
Well I am glad you guys let me know about this megatruth weirdo, I just thought he was a random nutcase following me and posting weird messages but it was happening when I was humiliating his bencubed sock puppet, so this bencubed called out his sock puppet to help him out, how retarded is that, and you say that they say they win when they get beat in debate more confirmation that they are the same, person, you say he trolls with an account called trans too? damn!
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
are you paranoid?
MrMegatruth 1 year ago
@MrMegatruth .. I am counting one win for each nonsense comment directed at me, and two for the ones shared with another creatard. By that count I have scored 9 points in the last eight hours alone, and all by just sitting back and letting these goofs spout off. Since these guys refuse to engage in rational debate, or have no inkling what it is, they lose each time they make any feeble attempt to suggest otherwise.
- Rationality FTW ! High Five !
bencubed 1 year ago
@benttubb hahahaha keep counting asshole. Nobody's paying attention to your delusions. "Since these guys refuse to engage in a rational debate" HAR HAR HAR you're cracking me up moron. First YOU refuse to accept my challenge and say you're not wasting your time on fools and now you're yapping about our not debating you. hahahahahaha Make up your mind asshole. OH I FORGOT you're a liar.
NOW either take the test or shut the fuck up dunce boy.
POWNED
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
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End the nonsense and this site has nothing.
bencubed 1 year ago
Four more points ! Eat my dust
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed No points for you asshole. You said you weren't going to waste any time on us and now you're still running your mouth. Ready to take my test?
har har har har h
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
@MaximusArurealius
This bencubed/megatruth can only troll people with his various sock accounts, he failed to defend his position, if you go thru the debate then you will see how he failed, he just started making it personal when he was failing and then he ended up getting desperate and started talking to his own megatruth sock puppet, pathetic! Bencubed and his sock accounts are exposed, he can only troll and make a fool of himself, he is another evolutionist troll that fails!
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
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@bencubed OH dam, you have been busted. You're just another sock of MegaLiar. HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
Double points galore !! Major Win !
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bencubed 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
i asked the troll bencubed who is mrmegatruths sock account, what mechanisms were observed to cause amphibian to reptile evolution, this is what he replied:
"Now, do you mean the process of eggs laid on land, or whether someone was there to observe it happen for the first time?"
That is how stupid he is, he should hang his head in shame for being so stupid, no wonder he resorts to trolling and needs his sock because he fails so badly!
HAHAHA!
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
How pathetic, bencubed was failing so badly and his lame insults were failing, so he brings in a sock to back himself up, what a retard.
HAHA!
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
thats because bencubed is this megatruths sock account.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
megamoron, this megatruth guy is weird, he came and trolled me on some videos, but i just thought he was some random weirdo that had no life and was trolling for attention, it seems he is a friend of bencubed who has been trolling here for the last few days, they are both as stipid and weird as each other, bencubed thinks foaming at the mouth about creationism makes darwinian evolution true, he really is that stupid.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
when i pointed out articles with evolutionists saying the tree of life is wrong, bencubed said this is confirmation that evolution is right.
I mean that is how stupid he is, so he calls his friend along to help.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
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@MrSeymourButtz
i asked bencubed what mechanisms were observed to cause amphibian to reptile evolution, this is what he replied
"Now, do you mean the process of eggs laid on land, or whether someone was there to observe it happen for the first time?"
That is how stupid he is, he should hang his head in shame for being so stupid.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
if you scroll back and see just how little bencubed knows, it is embarrasing, he cannot defend his faith in naturalistic evolution so he trolls instead, he might have brought his boyfriend this weird mrmegatruth to help him troll, but if they can only troll then bencubed has lost the argument.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MrSeymourButtz
Thanks for the message, well I didn't know much about this bencubed the last few days but when I was debating him then he showed he did not know anything about his faith and he ended up trolling because he could not defend his faith in evolution, and then it seemed he called one of his friends this megatruth dude, i thought he was just some retarded nut, so ignored him, but now having seen his posts I would have to say that he and bencubed are both stupid and weird.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
Wow, I am scoring double points big time ! Tweedle dee and Tweedle dum. LOL
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
yeah you keep trolling and putting girly abbrevations because it shows you are too retarded to make an intelligent argument, well done for admitting that you failed and all you have is trolling left, carry on troll, that is all you are good for.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
just to let you know
eternalskeptic9 aka wildcatskitten1 aka dishrackdarwin
maximusarurealius aka moogoogaipancakes aka sockpuppet357 aka brayingjackass
and pretty soon, eternalskeptic8 will show up aka mrseyomurbuttz aka digusdikus0 aka eternalseptic77 aka yeaitsmeyoutard
you are dealing with a lot of trolls
MrMegatruth 1 year ago
@MrMegatruth ..
Oh I'm having fun with em. I won't waste my time engaging in rational debate because the term has no meaning to them. Instead I let them know each post they direct towards me is a waste of their own time and marks a win for me.
They can't help themselves and go on, and on, and on.
I score double points when they rant to each other about me.
It's easy, like shooting fish in a barrel, just letting them go at it.
So, .. sit back and watch and laugh.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
just watch the dancing primates go
MrMegatruth 1 year ago
@bencubed
called it, there is mrseymourbuttz
fine christian name isn't it?
MrMegatruth 1 year ago
@MrMegatruth .. The names and the behaviour is very that of an adolescent.
Trouble is, he likely isn't at all.
The absence of substance and rational engagement leaves him with no recourse but to such sophomoric nonsense.
Each idiotic posting is a confirmation of the stupidity of creationism.
So, ... let em go at it, . .. I say. Score wins for rationality each time as the nonsense speaks for itself.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
"it counts as a double WIN for those of us not participating."
by posting you are participating you moron, you really are retarded
HAHA!
calling in your sock account mrmegatruth to help you out because you couldn't defend yourself, how pathetic is that, talking to your sock account because you couldn't defend your silly fish to philosopher fairytale, so sad that trolling and using your sock account is all you have because you cannot defend your silly fairytale.
HAHA!
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
"Oh I'm having fun with em. I won't waste my time engaging in rational debate "
You aren't capable of rational debate, that is why you troll instead, you are not having fun with us laughing at your stupidity, that is why you are trying to save face that you failed to defend your faith but you are too stupid to do it with logic, so you resort to trolling instead, inviting your troll friend to help you out won't save you from your stupidity.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ..
As I told you, I am quite content to check in and see how you creatards rant on and on begging for someone to listen to your drivel.
Each nonsensical pleading by you and the other sockpuppet trolls is a display of desperation and a win for rationality.
When you just talk to each other, it counts as a double WIN for those of us not participating.
So we are scoring BIG TIME tonight. LOL
Keep it up, I'll check in again later.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
you keep trying to rationalize your embarrasment at failing to defend evolution
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
"Keep it up, I'll check in again later"
I know you will mrmegatruth, because you need to validate yourself because you are butt hurt that people are laughing at your stupidity, the funny thing was when you said that you are not participating, yeah that makes sense, you keep posting but not participating, which is a contradiction, you are one stupid asshole, no wonder you resort to trolling instead of defending your silly fairytale.
HAHA!
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
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WildCatsKitten1 1 week ago
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Ladies And Gentlemen, There is a retard on Youtube called Mrmegatruth that does not even know what theory of evolution he believes in, He does not know the difference between England and Great Britain and he even thinks Watergate didn't happen, If you want to see confirmation of how retarded megatruth is then check out this video about him.
watch?v=YKY3oPwyXtw
He doesn't know the difference between a positive and a negative and gets in a muddle.
He really is that retarded.
HAHA
WildCatsKitten1 1 week ago
I get double points when you two whine to each other.
LOL
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed You don't get points for anything unless you get points for being a dumshit. If so you have mountains of points. You're a coward and a liar. Now if you don't have time to waste with us, just shut the fuck up. Otherwise agree to take my test and prove you have SOME backbone. Otherwise get the fuck out of hers asshole.
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
@MaximusArurealius ..
Haha
No need to participate as long as I score points by watching you spout off. Something like rope-a-dope. Keep punching, Dopey.
LOL
bencubed 1 year ago
@bentcunt, you are funny. You think you get points for being stupid? hahahahahahaaaa Yep you're winning in that case. hahahahahahaaa
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
@MaximusArurealius
look at bencubed he said he had no time, but he is pretending to laugh off the fact that we are pointing out his stupidity, the more he does it the more he realizes just how stupid he is and what a failure he is.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@MaximusArurealius
dont feed the troll bencubed, at least he admits that he cannot defend his faith in his fish to philosopher fairytale so has to resort to trolling instead, do not feed the troll bencubed, let the retarded troll bencubed that knows jack shit about the very thing he says is true go back under his bridge, he cannot defend his position so like the mental midget he is, resorts to trolling instead.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
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@bencubed You liar. You keep yapping about how you won't waste your time, but you seem to have plenty of time to keep mouthing off.
You're a liar and a coward.
You're EXPOSED
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
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ATTENTION, PUBLIC NOTICE TO ALL ATHEISTS
Shut the fuck up and stop preaching your bullshit. You're all worse than the fanatical televangelists. It's all yap yap yap with you fuckers and you say atheism is a lack of belief? You're a bunch of hypocritical fucking liars. Take your religion and shove it up your ass.
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
GREAT VIDEO you should have named it WHY WE LAUGH AT EVOLUTIONISTS!
HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
I stopped watching at 1:14 when it stated "nothing plus nothing...." If you can't even get the premise that you disagree with correct, then why bother making a video.
thefusilier1000 1 year ago
@thefusilier1000 YOU DUMMASS, you obviously don't understand evolution.
STANDARD EPIC FAIL
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
Good video brother. I love it! Favorited.
NephilimFree 1 year ago
The giant man in the sky made all 6 billion of us. This one man knows all, loves all, and cares about every single one of us. (Que laugh track)
What is the only difference between humans and all other life forms? I'm glad you asked Proverbs8. The answer is..... wow the suspense is killing you isn't it.... humans know that one day they are going to die.
Isn't it lucky that when that horrible day happens that you will go to a magical place and live forever? And....... Que laugh track.
rjs11189 1 year ago
' The Great Darweenie waves his magic wand and ... '
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A very healthy sign that you reject the concept of spontaneous generation of life caused by a supernatural source ... Keep going .
It seems you are just itching for a rational explanation.
So close, ... and yet so far.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
"A very healthy sign that you reject the concept of spontaneous generation of life caused by a supernatural source"
Yeah I am sure he rejects abiogenesis which at present is a supernatural explanation for how the first living cell came into being.
"It seems you are just itching for a rational explanation."
So he won't be itching for an explanation that blind and non rational forces brought things into being, the non rational explanation that you believe in.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ..
Science does not declare a 'supernatural' explanation for abiogenesis.
That would be religion's role.
Science may not have all the details yet understood, but in the meantime does not advance a non-rational theory. It is content to wait, observe, explore, experiment and most likely eventually discover a full explanation.
That is how science works, by rational steps.
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Irrational belief goes by many names, few of them positive or healthy.
Irrationality does exist.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
"Science does not declare a 'supernatural' explanation for abiogenesis."
You are a little slow to understand the point, the point is not saying that there is a supernatural explanation for abiogenesis, the point is that abiogenesis goes against what is observed in nature and thus is a supernatural explanation.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ..
' .. the point is that abiogenesis goes against what is observed in nature and thus is a supernatural explanation.'
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There is a major difference between what is observed in nature and what is understood.
Science does not pretend to understand all natural phenomena, but research is the process that has given us the level of understanding we now have, and is what will continue to expand that knowledge.
Lack of knowledge does not constitute evidence of the supernatural.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
"There is a major difference between what is observed in nature and what is understood."
And what we understand of nature is that living things come from previous intelligence.
what you believe goes against natural phenomena and known natural laws, thus you believe in the supernatural.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 .. The argument could be made that the reproduction of single-cell organisms requires the intelligence existing within that cell. I will concede that.
Your wish is to attribute it to an intelligence other than the cell itself. Correct me if I am wrong.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
"Lack of knowledge does not constitute evidence of the supernatural"
I agree, your lack of knowledge does not constitute evidence for your supernatural belief of how the universe came to be or for how life arose.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
"Science may not have all the details yet understood, but in the meantime does not advance a non-rational theory."
But nature as you understand from the perspective of the atheist is non rational and blind, it is not teleological, therefore abiogenesis is a non rational theory for how things came to be, either things are here by intelligence or by blind and non rational forces and thus you believe in a non rational explanation.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
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@bencubed
"Irrational belief goes by many names, few of them positive or healthy".
And if your brain and human thinking is ultimately the result of blind and non rational forces then not only have you no grounding to talk about irrationality but you cannot justify that your thinking is rational or that your beliefs are rational.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
I see people like you who follow the religion of darwinism as positing the supernatural explanation of abiogenesis for how the first cell came to be.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ..
Evidence exists for the natural process of abiogenesis.
It is there for those willing or inclined to look it up.
Stromatolites and organisms existing in extreme underwater thermal vents are considered to be the indications of earliest life on earth.
Evolution is what followed.
There was an explosion of aerobic life when algae evolved and the process of photosynthesis produced massive amounts of oxygen, just as it does today.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed "Stromatolites and organisms existing in extreme underwater thermal vents are considered to be the indications of earliest life on earth."
Sorry, but that explanation isn't true. Those vents do spew nutrients for a select group of bottom feeders but that in no way implies "How early life arose." On the contrary, it's simply earths recycling center where ocean floor wast moving towards the recycling center gets vented back upwards through a break in the crust!
meanmopar426 1 year ago
@meanmopar426 ..
I'm sure you are familiar with the term ' food-chain '.
Mammals and advanced marine lifeforms such as sharks and marine mammals are near the top. Follow it backwards to find the earliest and simplest forms of life, including those on the microbial level.
Anaerobic dead-sea zones exist without any life whatsoever.
BTW, waste has an 'e' on the end.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed For their to be a "food chain" their has to be LIFE. So no matter how you try to spin it you still cannot escape this fact - Life comes ONLY from life.
BTW: Thanks for noticing the spelling error. That still don't make you right for following a Naturalist religious view of Life!
meanmopar426 1 year ago
@meanmopar426
atheists do not have natural explanations for how the universe came to be, only supernatural explanations, I do not have enough faith to believe in their supernatural chance.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 Nor do I. That's why bencubed and I are always on opposing ends.
meanmopar426 1 year ago
@meanmopar426
When bencubed has to start ankle biting about a typo then you know he does not have much of an argument.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ..
Consistent and repetitive bad spelling is an indication of the same ignorance contained within the education and mentality of the poster, so it is hardly just 'ankle-biting'.
The evolution of a food chain on earth is recognizabel and exists to this day.
Sorry you wish to jump from that subject and move the goal-posts to another wider subject such as the process of the evolution of the universe.
However, galaxies' life and death are also observable and understood.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
Richard Branson was a high school drop out, I can name many more that are more intelligent than you, anklebiting about his spelling shows you have no argument.
"Sorry you wish to jump from that subject and move the goal-posts to another wider subject such as the process of the evolution of the universe."
I mentioned biological life and the universe from the very beginning,cont:
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
Furthermore I am happy for you to prove that life arose from non living matter as well as providing a naturalistic explanation for how the universe came to be, I find it very humourous that you have to sneak the word "evolution" in there, hahahhahahhahha, you are like an atheist parody that takes your evolutionary faith to the extreme, in order to evolve you have to have something to evolve from, if you cannot prove that a living organism came from dead matter, cont:
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
and if you do not have a naturalistic explanation for how the universe came into being, then I am not gonna beat you up for your faith.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ..
re: hahahahahahahahahah
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You must be really hard up for entertainment.
Frankly, I could hardly care less about something as obscure as the origins of the universe, but until someone comes forward with evidence of an 'omnipotent hand' behind it all, I can remain quite comfortable in the assumptiion that it is the result of natural causes, not supernatural.
I have faith in reason existing even before it being presented to me.
You assume the paranormal via indoctrination
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
The supernatural is not contingent on an omnipotent hand, for something to be supernatural all it has to do is violate natural laws.
You are not an agnostic or a fence sitter, you believe in the supernatural for how the universe came to be and you are too cowardly to stand up and defend it so now you hide behind agnosticism, Priceless!
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
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@bencubed "Frankly, I could hardly care less about something as obscure as the origins of the universe."
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And so ends rational scientific reasoning within the Atheist community.
meanmopar426 1 year ago
@bencubed
"You assume the paranormal via indoctrination"
You are projecting, now instead of running your funny little movies about yourself on to me and instead of running to agnosticism even though you are a hardline atheist then how about being consistent, now where is this natural explanation for how the universe came to be?
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ..
There are a number of reasonable theories backed by obseration and evidence about how the universe came to be.
Thesim is not one of them.
I personally, don't know or really care, but I do care that religion would sieze upon humanity's ignorance and take advantage of it in a mercenary manner to advance an absurd mythology to use as a tool of social indoctrination.
'Religion is a superstition hijacked by a philosophy.'
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed Sorry, but the evidence for the Creation is OVERWHELMING. Outside of that universal fact exists no evidence to the contrary. Job 38:4
And if we peal back the layers of the earth what do we find?
Yes, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." If it were not so then the earth would have no foundation nor layers. It would be as you say. "a cooled molten rock." But Modern Geology confirms the Bibles ancient wisdom & not evolutions "Fairy Tales." eh.
meanmopar426 1 year ago
@meanmopar426 .. The existence of the world and the cosmos does not constitute evidence of it's cause. Evidence of it's actions, movement, nature and dynamics does contribute to an understanding of a reasonable hypothesis of cause. Theism does not not offer this.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed The whole Universe follows the Laws that Govern it. Therefore, it stands to reason that man should as well.
You can theorize all ya want, but the clear unavoidable fact is Creation is a product of a Super Intelligent Mind that planned to bring it about from the very beginning. Now how did He build it? Ps 104. Why is it in a chaotic state? Gen 1 Was it laid on a foundation? Job 38.
Is that theistic logic? No. Revealed knowledge? Yes.
Hope you look into it for yourself!
meanmopar426 1 year ago
@meanmopar426 .. Circular logic devoid of evidence.
' The Bible is true, according to... the Bible.'
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed For your information. The Bible is made up of 66 separate but thoroughly peer reviewed books. So your "Circular logic" statement fell apart as soon as you posted it.
meanmopar426 1 year ago
@meanmopar426 ..
Review by the indoctrinated does not constitute peer review.
Anyway, it has been falsified by far, far more.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed Sorry, but it has been peer reviewed. After all, you can't get any Higher peer than God! ;)
meanmopar426 1 year ago
@meanmopar426 ...
Except Zeus says you are wrong.
And don't even think of blaspheming Him.
bencubed 1 year ago
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meanmopar426 1 year ago
@bencubed
"Except Zeus says you are wrong"
thus you agree with meanmopar that there is an intelligence behind the universe, either the universe is the result of an intelligence or is the result of non intelligent forces, the fact you mention zeus does nothing to defeat that fact, it just means you differ on the nature of the intelligence that does not change the fact that those are the only two options on the table.
Your sophomoric argument fails.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
"Evidence of it's actions, movement, nature and dynamics does contribute to an understanding of a reasonable hypothesis of cause. Theism does not not offer this."
And thus you show your ignorance of the underlying assumptions of science and the theists/scientists who influenced the coming of modern science.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 .. Which 'underlying assumptions of science' are you referring to? .. and I take it your use of the term 'assumptions' is the excuse for their not being articulated anywhere by science.
Otherwise, please share them here.
You are unlikely to find any references to any god in science texts over the last century, unless written from a theological perspective, which by definition is not science. Funny that.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
"and I take it your use of the term 'assumptions' is the excuse for their not being articulated anywhere by science"
Why would scientists assume that their senses can give them accurate information about the world if their brains are ultimately the result of blind, non intelligent and random forces?
Please do tell how atheism justifies that assumption.
cont:
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
If atheism is true then why would scientists believe that the universe operates in a lawful, rational and orderly manner? how does atheism pressupose an order and rationality to how the universe operates?
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
If atheism is true and there is no objective right and wrong and morality is relative then why should scientists report their results honestly and accurately, why is it morally wrong for scientists to lie about their results if morality is nothing more than personal preference?
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
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@bencubed
"unless written from a theological perspective, which by definition is not science. Funny that"
And yet theology drives your faith in Darwinism, you use theology to argue against teleology in biology and your faith in Darwinism is a religion because it is based on just so stories that are outside of emperical science, You make claims against others and yet you lack self awareness.
Funny that.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
And yet the darwinist just so stories that you believe in are outside of emperical science which shows that darwinism is your religion and you use theological arguments against god and how he would design things and thus theology drives your darwinist faith but you are too ignorant to realize it.
Funny that.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ..
Congratulations on laying more strawman arguments in a row than anyone would imagine possible. Atheism presents none of the rationale for all the things you claim it to.
Whatever thoughts or beliefs any atheist has about them simpiy does not, by definition, include a god.
There is an abundance of scientific rationale for all the things you mention, and no doubt, most atheists ascribe to some or many of them, but atheism does not require belief in any of them.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
"Congratulations on laying more strawman arguments in a row than anyone would imagine possible"
which strawmen would they be?
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
"There is an abundance of scientific rationale for all the things you mention, and no doubt, most atheists ascribe to some or many of them, but atheism does not require belief in any of them."
And how does atheism support scientific rationale? there are two choices, either the universe is here by an intelligence or by blind and non rational and non intelligent forces, you have rejected intelligence so you are left with blind, non rational and non intelligence, cont:
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ...
Strawman argument no,1:
' ,,there are two choices either the universe is here by an intelligence or by blind and non rational and non intelligent forces, ... '
A false dichotomy that you present, not atheism.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
How is it a false dichotomy, either the universe is here by an intelligence or it is here by a process absent of any intelligence, what is the third option?
I expect you to back up this claim of a false dichotomy
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
So how does atheism justify sense perception as being accurate and correct?, if the brain and the sensory apparatus is here by blind, non intelligent and non rational forces then how does that justify the assumption that scientists senses can give them accurate information about the world?
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ;;
Strawman no.2
atheism makes no claims regarding our senses other than that it does not accept the sensory imagined element of a mythological being.
Strawman no.3
Our senses are not, by definition, blind (LOL) or here by non-rational forces.
Science does not function on 'intuition', otherwise it would not be science.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
Where did I say that our senses are blind?
it is funny you accuse others of strawmen when you are dishonestly doing that very thing ?
You do not believe that the brain or the sensory apparatus are here by non rational forces, you are one confused atheist.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
"atheism makes no claims regarding our senses other than that it does not accept the sensory imagined element of a mythological being."
Thus atheists have rejected that the brain and the sensing apparatus is intelligenly designed thus for atheists it is the product of blind and non intelligent forces, you claim this is a false dichotomy so what is another option?
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
Before observation takes place in science then scientists have to have an idea of what they want to observe, why would scientists assume that the universe operates in a rational, orderly and lawful manner if atheism is true and the universe came fron a non rational, random and non intelligent means? How does atheism justify the belief that the universe operates in a lawful and orderly manner instead of pressuposing disorder and unintelligibility?
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ..
Strawman argument no.4
Atheism makes no assertion regarding nature of the universe.
It simply does not accept mythological explanations.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
Why should scientists publish their research honestly and accurately if atheists are correct that morality is subjective and nothing more than personal preference?
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ..
Strawman argument no.5
Atheism does not state that morality is subjective.
Science provides ample evidence for the evolutionary roots of morality.
Atheism does not state that morality does not exist.
This is theism's position instead, layiing claim to morality, erroneously.
- Major fails on all counts.
And the kind of irrationality associated with belief in the supernatural, essentially meaning superstition, by definition irrational.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
"Science provides ample evidence for the evolutionary roots of morality"
To call evolutionary psychology a science is a joke, it is a soft science at best and even steven jay gould called it a collection of just so stories.
Furthermore you are saying there is no intelligence for how man came to be and yet nature does not have a goal or intention for how people should act or behave, cont:
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
Any particular collection of molecules would behave how any other similar collection of molecules would behave, if there is no source outside of man for moral values then moral values become subjective and nothing more than personal preference, if there is no objective right and wrong then there is no grounding to say any scientists behaviour is moral or immoral, appealing to the pseudo science of evo psychology shows that you are the major failure.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
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@bencubed
"Atheism makes no assertion regarding nature of the universe." "And the kind of irrationality associated with belief in the supernatural, essentially meaning superstition, by definition irrational"
And yet you are making a metaphysical claim that the supernatural is superstitious and irrational.
You would make a lousy lawyer because you undermine your own argument by contradicting yourself.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
1st you say atheism makes no assertion of the nature of the universe, then you contradict yourself and say that the supernatural is irrational and superstitious and thus rules out the supernatural as a cause of the universe, you are in a mess and contradict yourself.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@bencubed
As you believe your brain is the result of forces that are devoid of any intelligence or rationality then you really have no grounding to say what others believe is irrational.
Furthermore you have just defined yourself as irrational and superstitious because you hold the supernatural belief that the universe created itself, that defies natural law and is thus a supernatural belief, so well done for defining yourself as superstitious and irrational. hahhahahahha
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic9 ..
'My' brain is the result of the reproduction by two people with similiar brains, resulting in an offspring, not by anythiing else. This is called biological evolution, if you didn't know, as it seems you don't.
Simple survival is the compelling biological imperative behind moral behavior, and it isn't limited to man. Most animals nurture their offspring, cooperate socially and reciprocate behaviour as social functions needed to survive.
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Zebras don't worship any god.
bencubed 1 year ago
@bencubed
"This is called biological evolution, if you didn't know, as it seems you don't."
Nice Projection, your parents producing you is biogenesis, that is life producing life, something that goes against your faith that a living organism can arise on its own from dead matter, it is also an example of like producing like, the evolution you believe in is one type of living thing producing something completely different, a simple point for your simple mind.
EternalSkeptic9 1 year ago