Oops, I meant to post it here: Thanks for posting this. If I quit the Democratic party, will they change me to an Independent, or will I have to reregister? Also, do I need to quit the party, since I've only voted once as a Dem? I had never voted prior to 2006, and I registered as a Dem but am very dissatisfied with that decision now, and definitely want to be registered as an Independent for this upcoming election.
Thanks for posting this. If I quit the Democratic party, will they change me to an Independent, or will I have to reregister? Also, do I need to quit the party, since I've only voted once as a Dem? I had never voted prior to 2006, and I registered as a Dem but am very dissatisfied with that decision now, and definitely want to be registered as an Independent for this upcoming election.
You just have to submit another registration form. I think there's a check-box that says "Change party affiliation." In the General Election, you just have to be registered to vote. You don't have to be a member of a political party. You can be unaffiliated if you want to.
Ronpaul2008(dot)com the only anti war current congressman. Large government & socialism will always give us more of the same. Join us David. Go to taxday08(dot)com & join us in that rally as well. thanks to Mike Gravel for all his years of public service.
"Large government and socialism will always give us more of the same"
Yeah, it looks like the economy and healthcare systems in England, France, Norway etc... are pretty terrible. I bet they all pine for our "free market"
davisfleetwood has changed his opinions numerous of times, he doesn't know what he's talking about. First he thought Ron Paul was a crazy old man and his supporters were stupid then he made another video saying the complete opposite, he also made another video saying that 9/11 was an inside job weeks later he made another video saying the complete opposite.
His opinion of Barack Obama is based on ignorance.
Allyson: for one thing don't listen to this crook and stick with Obama because he's the only HONEST candidate left on the race that has a chance at winning the Primaries and November.
why now? why not when it mattered? why complain at all? a majority of the american people by their active and passive support
of the takeover of the criminal gang in the white house acted as accomplices in the atrocious mass murders for private profits
of the recent past. to look for new 'lesser evils' and empower them to become the next 'greater evils' is not a sign that people have learned anything. to punish a mentally ill person for doing what they could be expected to do is madness.
What difference does it make what this or that candidate's program is unless he or she is accountable in office?
Bush and Cheney steal the election, lie the to Congress into war, and steal you blind, destroying the constitution in the process and you dumb fuckers are worried about who the NEXT president will be.
Wake the fuck up!
Wake your Congressman up.
Demand answers from the candidates on impeachment!
All the rest distraction--if the American people cannot get their Congress to act on impeachment, there is little or nothing to be saved.
The presidential race is an illusion and distraction from the real business of constitutional government, which is citizens demanding that the law be applied to all, and that their elected leaders abide by the Constitution or be cast out and prosecuted.
It is not too late--e-mail Conyrs and Wexler and other Congressman.
All the res tis distraction--if the American people cannot get their Congress to act on impeachment, there is little or nothing to be saved.
The presidential race is an illusion and distrction from the real business of government, which is citizens demanding that the law be applied to all, and that their lected leaders abide by the Consitution or be cast out and prosecuted.
It is not too late--e-mail Convyer and Wexler and other Congressman.
Gravel is the shitz. Im a republican but he is my favorite Democrat a truth teller and a bigger hell raiser than the republican version of him Ron Paul. Hey I saw a video of him attacking Hillary on her administration of stealing from social security. Can someone point out where I can find it? I needed to show some of the 'Old folks' Hillary supporters the evidence. Thanks.
Naders announcement didn't mention Gravel - seems that he is running as an independent & Cynthia McKinney will probably be the Green Party candidate. He pointed out that A.) Gore didn't lose- he was cheated. 2.) If Florida's "caging list" disenfranchisement scheme had been prosecuted Gore would have won Florida, 3.)1/3 of his supporters would not have voted- the remaining split 60/40 D/R 4.) By pulling Gore to the left Gore got more votes in the end so he actually helped him.
The world is in fear of your country. Afraid of those in power and what they are capable of. Please dont put the world n the hands of another monster.
no one even knows what the hell your cryptic message you've been posting everywhere even means. Try writing it out better so it doesnt look like gobbledy gook.
if any of you want to know barack obama's stances on the issues that matter to americans, simply go to barackobamaDOTcom and check out the "issues" section. if any of you want to know how what he says matches up with what he does, simply go to ontheissuesDOTorg and click his image (you may even learn something about your favorite candidate).
Yes, do go to go to barackobamaDOTcom the "issues" page and follow the further links to find out if he plans to expand or decrease the military and if he plans to keep "non-combat" troops in Iraq. Anyone know? As mentioned previously, and also by K1dCharlemagne above, this information is indeed all available on Obama's website. BTW, when was that "must happen" impeachment happening again? I want to find out what actually happens when it starts. Whether the "paranoia" was justified or not.
this guy needs to educate himself. barack obama never supported the war. voting for funding only means that he's accepted that he cannot turn back time and wants the troops who are there to be provided with food and armor. also, in regards to barack obama's "money", most of his campaign has been financed by donations of less than $50 by everyday americans, not special interests. if anyone wants to have an educated debate about the merits of obama versus any of the candidates message me.
Indeed, not only was Obama vociferously against the war in Iraq, so was Illinois Senator Durbin. Indeed, Illinois was one of the few states where a large majority of voters and officials opposed Bush's illegal--and worse, stupid--invasion of Iraq from the getgo.
Hmmn, two Illinois Senators carrying out their then unique mandate. "Snap." What is it with Illinois? Is it somehow mysteriously still attached to the outside world? Anyone from Illinois here tonight-care to explain? What will Obama's mandate be when he swears the oath of Office? Would he follow that mandate, or the policies on his website? I guess the latter could be the "fine print."
Nader knows he will not win. So...what is he trying to accomplish? If you know you won't win, and you still run, you are trying to simply make a point. Ok we get it, but to think Nader had nothing to do with Gore's loss is silly. He is not stripping off Neocon votes, he is taking away independents and some Dems who would have otherwise voted for Gore (a small but measurable percent) or not voted at all. This will only serve to take votes away from Obama, helping ensure McCain and more WAR!
nader no's he isnt going to president. His aim is to form a powerful pressure group against the two ideologically similar parties, the republicans and democrats.
You have single-handedly come pretty close to killing our Democracy. I was sick about the outcomes of the last two elections. There is no doubt in my mind that if it had not been for your ill-advised but
If anything, Nader embodied democracy. You're falling prey to imperialism, and what's worse, you think that anything that doesn't fall prey to the two party system is evil. That's one stupid way to live.
What you say is about democracy is great in theory, but it is not reality.
If Nader was such a great integral part of our democracy he would be part of every debate, caucus & primary since the BEGINNING. We all know he's entering now becuase he would have been squashed like Paul, Gravel, & Kucinich. (all who have good points)
The people have spoken. With votes. Thats why Hillary & Barack are left.
I dont live stupid. I live in the real world. Nader is NOT electable = .03% of vote in 2000.
so you are saying that you dont trust America. America votes, and America votes who they seem fit. That equals electability. If America saw substance, they would vote for it.
So why do you hate Americans so much? Why do you want Nader even elected if you think the country is a crappy, unworthy nation? Your logic is crap. Im sure you'll go off topic from this one, I can bet it.
Our system of Republicanism is unique because voters are allowed to choose their leaders. Under your system, you shouldn't vote for someone who won't win. You're placing restrictions on democracy based on 'electability.'
I believe in aq 3, 4, 25 party system. BUT, in THIS stage of the game, in 2008, after 7 years of hell, and after months and months of some great candidates answering questions, raising money and gaining the America's trust, to ride in now and start your candidacy, and then tell folks who are pissed "oh, so you dont want a 3 party system?" is WRONG.
IF Nader was so concerned about Amer, (which is why people run, no?) Why run now? Why not start the candidacy when all the rest do? Because he doesnt care about the state of the country from the last 7 yrs. he cares more about this ideal of a 3 p system. Smart people see right through this, & they dont trust him. That is why he cares more about his ego. Hes run for PRes 4 times, & they have ALL sucked. Spend 4 years, 20 hours/day on the candidacy and maybe THEN Nader, I'll consider you.
Gravel ruined Alaska, has anger issues, failed attempt to end draft, lost 3rd term senateship after pissing off his constituency, and is generally unfit. I mean he's OK, but kind of a kooky old crazy uncle...no real policy...just jibbah jabbah and a shaky old fist....nah.
-continued......ill-advised but well-intentioned candidacy, we would never have had George W. Bush as President in the first place. The world would be a different place if we had had Al Gore as our President these past 7 years. What on earth do you think you can accomplish by doing this again? You will never be President of the United States of America. All you can hope to do is cause the Republicans to stay in power for another four years. - continued belw
Would you really prefer John McCain to Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton? I can't believe that. Haven't you caused enough pain and suffering for your nation? If the Democrats aren't pure enough for you, please move to Africa or South America and start a revolution there, because it's never going to happen here-- not even close. I hope all liberals, civil libertarians and lovers of freedom will join me in begging you to stop this insanity.
I'm certain that I'll vote third party come November and look forward to seeing who will run... the remaining democrats and the repubicans candidates offer nothing I'm interested in!
No CURRENT presidential candidate (but long shot Senator Gravel) endorses impeachment. That has to mean they don't want it to happen, or believe it should happen they can't win by doing so. And yet "Without the impeachment of Bush and Cheney, America can never recover." So what part of the garden of Eden are we in children? Apologies for the cross post, I think this relates to free and elections as well as Gravel and Nader as candidates.
Comment stolen from rg2027x on "Rep. Wexler wants Cheney Impeachment Hearings:
/watch?v=xQDLyKGX268#YB7kjATHxXI
"If Congress Impeaches, Bush will cancel 2008 elections, bomb Iran, declare national emergency, claim Martial Law: RALPH NADER: "Things Are a Lot Worse than We Thought"
If Congress begins impeachment even just against Cheney, Bush will have to ask the permission of a whole assembly of surrounding functionaries just to go to the men's room and take a piss.
Well, even if what Nader advised he was told was a genuine threat, I'd still on balance prefer the matter not to remain hypothetical. When the impeachment begins we will find out.
"Caracas, Venezuela, 21 February 2008 NP) Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez Frias has today rejected the unilateral statehood of Kosovo as 'it is the result of US pressure'. Chavez also fustigated the UN for allowing such statehood declaration within its own mandate. He then call for a revision of this independence declaration at UN and the EU...."
[Nowpublic]
Serious fustigation indeed.
Don't worry. Be happy. Everything is just hunky dory.
" Belgrade (INS February 21, 2008)- Some 200,000 Serbs gathered in Belgrade Thursday to rally against Kosovo's independence and the supportive West, with the demonstration turning into an orgy of vandalism and robbery...."
"George W. Bush's overall job approval rating has dropped to a new low in American Research Group polling as 78% of Americans say that the national economy is getting worse according to the latest survey from the American Research Group.
Among all Americans, 19% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 77% disapprove. When it comes to Bush's handling of the economy, 14% approve and 79% disapprove."
Geez those Serbs are sore losers. Gotdang, they's still pissed. Think they'd have forgot the whole deal by now. I mean it was only about 5000 innocent civilians killed. You'd think they'd see Iraq and say, boy we were lucky.
Oh no, just husbanding those grudges.
Ain't healthy, not healthy at all.
They need closure you know--next prez should send some heavy duty Therapists over there.
Let's focus on Kosovo as a business proposition, without completely forgetting Serbia, but keeping it on the back burner for later. How about calling Kosovo "New Havana"? The major tourist commodities and exports could be quite similar. And airfares are so much cheaper.
You know, sort of like making your bones, but in the case of the political, religious, and coroporate elites--it's more like fucking them up real bad so that you can be put in charge of something much more important to fuck, as a sign of requisite elitist unaccountability.
I think it's a very good sign. Allow yourselves to be ruled by an absolute elite and your system will perish. It was ever so. It's just that each departure as history has progressed has left a bigger mess. We may all be part of the next one.
"SINGAPORE (AFP February 20,2008 - World oil prices hit a new record of 101.32 dollars a barrel on renewed concerns over global crude supplies, dealers said Thursday."
The economy is unpatriotic! The economy is unpatriotic!
Gravel speaks much truth, is highly intelligent, and plain speaking. But there is too much ego in what he says and a hidden contradiction--presidential power is a central part of the problem.
Saying that he, as president, would restore power to the citizen makes no sense at all.
Again he is needed in Congress fighting the unconstitutional executive power tooth and nail and on every issue.
And right now his main refrain should be impeachment, impeachment, impeachment.
I am just concerned that the complete lack of a clear progressive voice in the Presidential elections is a progressive "extinction" inconsistent with the drive for impeachment, which also depends initially on progressive organization.
MG& RN could alternately become far more involved in the push for impeachment & also align with Kucinich, etc. standing for congress under some new progressive banner. "True Democrat" springs to mind. But would they, and when?
Question is, though--do we really want to put all these boring theoretics and pragmatics on the mantel piece? Someone might get bored enough to look closer.
All right then--an exciting map it is! No one will look more closely at that.
We seem to want for the things that cannot be eaten or owned. True morals and values cannot be bought or sold. Indeed, when someone suggests a viewpoint is moral, or based on a value or values, it's liquidity is the litmus test.
I suspect that if you took the negatives from both stereotypes; "terrorist" and "hippy" many if not most would be applicable to our chosen leaders. Murderous, cowardly, deceitful lazy, hedonists. That kinda thing.
Nader is a man of unquestioned probity and magnificent service to the American people. Without him tens of thousands would still be regularly impaled on steering wheels and dashboards every year while US auto makers produced ever greater horsepower and flashier and flashier fins.
President?
No--why doesn't he run for Congress, where he is direly needed?
What a great clip from Gravel. Great that he responded, and great that it was so fresh and entertaining to watch as well. Now where's Nader's response? This election just has to see a determined organized push from progressives, to ensure whoever wins knows they at least can't just carry on with the Neocon agenda.
The Greens! - One has to admire their idealism. You will find them campaigning for the preservation of the shark, the whale, a snake or spider in deepest Amazon, or some little known lizard in New Caledonia. Yet, when it comes to the preservation of the White race, Greens are virulently anti-racialists, screaming abuse and chastising anyone who dares defend its preservation and its progeny: that White race which has given humanity everything; from the wheel to space ships and computers.
"Without the impeachment of Bush and Cheney, America can never recover. The precedents for unaccountable government established by the Bush administration are too great, their damage too lasting. Without impeachment, America will continue to sink into dictatorship in which criticism of the government and appeals to the Constitution are criminalized. We are closer to executive rule than many people know..."
Sorry to butt in. I'm all for researching asserted facts, even though Presidential elections obviously have nothing to do with either facts or policy.
Under the subtitle -- Building a 21st century military:
"Expand the Military: We have learned from Iraq that our military needs more men and women in uniform to reduce the strain on our active force. Obama will increase the size of ground forces, adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines. "
CNN Top Democratic candidates won't vow full Iraq pullout by 2013. Thu September 27, 2007.
"HANOVER, New Hampshire (AP) -- The leading Democratic White House hopefuls conceded Wednesday night they cannot guarantee to pull all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the end of the next presidential term in 2013." Google title to verify.
Only in America could a public servant like Ralph Nadar be villified for being too popular. I'll vote for Nadar or Gravel and would give up a body part or two to see them win on the same ticket!
Its not a symbolic gesture to vote for people that are more qualified and trustworthy then the people that are misguiding the public with media collusion. People trust Keith Olbermann. thats a problem because he's made JOKES about Clinton and Edwards conspiring to commit CENSORSHIP against Mike in the "debates". There's a saying being passed around.
dont you mean "dis-appoint" Bush has never been elected in his life. His entire political career was ran by Karl Rove's dirty politics.Gore and Kerry won they just didn't stand up for the people that voted for them. especially black voters.
"What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne...."
Fleetwood is correct--Obama, and several other prominent Illinois politicians, were very vocal in opposing the the Iraq War, most of them before the war was began.
Obama has voted to fund the war his entire career as senator. He states he can't end the war in Iraq by 2013. He says he wants 100,000 more troops and to increase our military budget. When we're not threatened by anyone...Obama is just garnishing political sway in the senate with this run. He's in cahoots with Hillary. Him saying she worked for wal mart is hardly the worst of it. Gravel was trying to explain to the public just how bad Hillary and corporatism is and the corporates shut him out.
Can you please lead me to a site that I can read about Obama quoting the statement about not being able to end the war by 2013 and also the increase in military budget?
Have you even watched a debate? If so, you'd hear his 2013 answer, or have read he "hopes to start withdrawing troops in 18 months, as carefully as we got in carelessly."
Did he make a peep about the recently proposed $1 TRILLION military budget? Perhaps not, considering he wants to increase the military by 100,000 troops. Did he ever vote against funding the war while in the Senate, or take a truly principled stand?
No? Then you've got your answers. Do your own homework.
More and more I like this Davis Fleetwood as he "gets it."
Well, it looks like instead of Stalin in Prada (Hillary), we're going to end up being ruled by Idi Amin. No kidding. You have to remember that Obama is just one cut removed from the primordial swamp; his father was an African savage, quite literally.
That's actually a great point and I mostly agree! I am sick and tire of the neo-Zionist and their iron fist ruling this land, but how do we know for certain that Obama doesn't accept AIPAC money? I bet you anything that he does, which means we're still screwed.
That certainly did not give you time to see the correct information I have advised, to save a women from this heinous attack on our nation. Are you a gyne?
Ron Paul, was a gynecologist and never in all of his years as a gyne, did he stop the obgyn/medical community from butchering, one third of the, U.S.A, female population/22 Million women living today in the U.S.A. without their sex organ, operated on by deceit/incorrect information, for profit. See the correct information "female anatomy", at, hersfoundation.
Not just in Africa are women's sex organs mutilated, it is right here in the good ol' U.S.A., and called hysterectomy.
We all need to become honest principled leaders in our respective communities to help Ron Paul and other honest leaders with our peaceful movement.
I have written an article that I wish for all intellectual individuals members of our civilized society to read. This article, if published nationally, will help Ron Paul dramatically in the remaining primaries.
Glad to see those numbers on the petition going toootally viral! At this rate (looks like about 30 new signatures per day, not counting all the bogus ones), you might just have enough in time for the 2012 election. This is so sad. See you in 2012?
lol - Almost $6 million now, and still growing. But don't just take my word for it. Go to:
w ww.ronpaul2008.c om/
and DONATE!
Hell, I'm donating (significantly) to Dennis's Congressional campaign AND Ron Paul's Congressional and Presidential campaigns. How about you? Or is Dennis, to much of a "namby-pamby" for ya? [like you said in your latest knock-em-out "Braddock" video]. Btw, the current term would be "pussy".
I seem to hear that question a lot. My answer is that he's not blocked it. He let it go to committee by House rules. It sits in the House Judiciary Committee right now, with Chairman John Conyers (a DEM) hanging it up. And since Nancy Pelosi (a DEM) has taken "impeachment off the table", I would imagine that the ultimate responsibility rests on her delicate shoulders. Imo, the Dem majority, which the House enjoys thanks to all of us that voted them in, should be wrestling her to the ground.
As far as the taxes go, that's his "principled integrity" and adherence to the Constitution at work. The Federal Income Tax is a tyrannical tax anyway and as it's currently imposed, is un-Constitutional even with the 16th Amendment in place. It was snuck in back in 1913 right along with the Fed, and that's where many of our problems (like perpetual war) and empire-building began. To me, that is a very central campaign issue. The FIT doesn't need to be replaceed, it needs to be eliminated.
As far as being a vocal supporter of impeachment, I think that's a calculated political decision based on political reality and pragmatism. He's challenging the entire status quo and "the establishment" -- like the military-industrial complex. I think he's got more than enough very powerful enemies right now than to make impeachment "his" central campaign issue like DK did. I believe that would be a political mistake for him right now. The fault lies with Pelosi/Conyers right now for rigging it.
Please kill yourself Ralph.
phsyb56 3 years ago
@phsyb56 What the fuck?
XM8rifle 1 year ago
Oops, I meant to post it here: Thanks for posting this. If I quit the Democratic party, will they change me to an Independent, or will I have to reregister? Also, do I need to quit the party, since I've only voted once as a Dem? I had never voted prior to 2006, and I registered as a Dem but am very dissatisfied with that decision now, and definitely want to be registered as an Independent for this upcoming election.
hipmama715 3 years ago
Well, now it's Nader/Gonzalez, and Gravel's running for the Libertarian nomination, not that someone could have predicted that.
MooseOfReason 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this. If I quit the Democratic party, will they change me to an Independent, or will I have to reregister? Also, do I need to quit the party, since I've only voted once as a Dem? I had never voted prior to 2006, and I registered as a Dem but am very dissatisfied with that decision now, and definitely want to be registered as an Independent for this upcoming election.
hipmama715 3 years ago
You just have to submit another registration form. I think there's a check-box that says "Change party affiliation." In the General Election, you just have to be registered to vote. You don't have to be a member of a political party. You can be unaffiliated if you want to.
MooseOfReason 3 years ago
I voted for Kucinich in the primary and I intend to vote for Nader in November!
Senator Obama Clinton McCain is not an option for me.
Peace.
nowellian 3 years ago
I'd rather see Kucinich and Gravel go independant. Forget Nader. He would slow down the campaign.
johncantees 3 years ago
But Kucinich is a Democrat and has a job to do in Congress. And he has to keep that job.
Brandt761 3 years ago
Ronpaul2008(dot)com the only anti war current congressman. Large government & socialism will always give us more of the same. Join us David. Go to taxday08(dot)com & join us in that rally as well. thanks to Mike Gravel for all his years of public service.
aldell1 3 years ago
"Large government and socialism will always give us more of the same"
Yeah, it looks like the economy and healthcare systems in England, France, Norway etc... are pretty terrible. I bet they all pine for our "free market"
greedybones 3 years ago
The only anti war congressman? OMG please read.
RaechelMW 3 years ago
Well said, too bad Nader chose to run on his own. I'm for Mike Gravel 100%.
DeathRattle101 3 years ago
Is 0xR3B3L a lying turd? Look at all the Fleetwood clips he has spammed -just like he suggests and you will soon find out.
queny2 3 years ago
plus i really doubt this Allyson even exists, Davis probably made her up just like he makes up everything in order to make a point.
0xR3B3L 3 years ago
Allyson:
davisfleetwood has changed his opinions numerous of times, he doesn't know what he's talking about. First he thought Ron Paul was a crazy old man and his supporters were stupid then he made another video saying the complete opposite, he also made another video saying that 9/11 was an inside job weeks later he made another video saying the complete opposite.
His opinion of Barack Obama is based on ignorance.
Obama '08
watch?v=x6ItzF78vbM
0xR3B3L 3 years ago
Allyson: for one thing don't listen to this crook and stick with Obama because he's the only HONEST candidate left on the race that has a chance at winning the Primaries and November.
0xR3B3L 3 years ago
gravel nader paul (kucinich?)
Please in the name of God.
These men should work together somehow.
mrtyles 3 years ago
Signed #63 or did I say that already.
Sign it!!!
Pass It On! Somebody's Got To Do It.
NatureLegalized 3 years ago
NADER IS RUNNING! ... he'll be on CNN tonight (2/25/08) :)
goney3 3 years ago
why now? why not when it mattered? why complain at all? a majority of the american people by their active and passive support
of the takeover of the criminal gang in the white house acted as accomplices in the atrocious mass murders for private profits
of the recent past. to look for new 'lesser evils' and empower them to become the next 'greater evils' is not a sign that people have learned anything. to punish a mentally ill person for doing what they could be expected to do is madness.
cmoleon 3 years ago
What difference does it make what this or that candidate's program is unless he or she is accountable in office?
Bush and Cheney steal the election, lie the to Congress into war, and steal you blind, destroying the constitution in the process and you dumb fuckers are worried about who the NEXT president will be.
Wake the fuck up!
Wake your Congressman up.
Demand answers from the candidates on impeachment!
Impeach Cheney now!
mopsius 3 years ago
All the rest distraction--if the American people cannot get their Congress to act on impeachment, there is little or nothing to be saved.
The presidential race is an illusion and distraction from the real business of constitutional government, which is citizens demanding that the law be applied to all, and that their elected leaders abide by the Constitution or be cast out and prosecuted.
It is not too late--e-mail Conyrs and Wexler and other Congressman.
Impeach Cheney now!
mopsius 3 years ago
All the res tis distraction--if the American people cannot get their Congress to act on impeachment, there is little or nothing to be saved.
The presidential race is an illusion and distrction from the real business of government, which is citizens demanding that the law be applied to all, and that their lected leaders abide by the Consitution or be cast out and prosecuted.
It is not too late--e-mail Convyer and Wexler and other Congressman.
Impeach Cheney now!
mopsius 3 years ago
A Constitution is a terrible thing to waste.
Impeach Cheney now!
mopsius 3 years ago
Anyone read Power on Chomsky?
queny2 3 years ago
Gravel is the shitz. Im a republican but he is my favorite Democrat a truth teller and a bigger hell raiser than the republican version of him Ron Paul. Hey I saw a video of him attacking Hillary on her administration of stealing from social security. Can someone point out where I can find it? I needed to show some of the 'Old folks' Hillary supporters the evidence. Thanks.
Squirelbutt 3 years ago
Naders announcement didn't mention Gravel - seems that he is running as an independent & Cynthia McKinney will probably be the Green Party candidate. He pointed out that A.) Gore didn't lose- he was cheated. 2.) If Florida's "caging list" disenfranchisement scheme had been prosecuted Gore would have won Florida, 3.)1/3 of his supporters would not have voted- the remaining split 60/40 D/R 4.) By pulling Gore to the left Gore got more votes in the end so he actually helped him.
RIProgressive 3 years ago
Dear All Good Americans,
The world is in fear of your country. Afraid of those in power and what they are capable of. Please dont put the world n the hands of another monster.
Thankyou,
Tom Remmington
geckoremmington 3 years ago
Why FEAR SMEAR?
Obama in landslide...
Right DNC?
gravel kucinich paul nader
Whistle-blowers.
ryanshaunkelly 3 years ago
no one even knows what the hell your cryptic message you've been posting everywhere even means. Try writing it out better so it doesnt look like gobbledy gook.
lovestowatchu 3 years ago
if any of you want to know barack obama's stances on the issues that matter to americans, simply go to barackobamaDOTcom and check out the "issues" section. if any of you want to know how what he says matches up with what he does, simply go to ontheissuesDOTorg and click his image (you may even learn something about your favorite candidate).
K1dCharlemagne 3 years ago
Yes, do go to go to barackobamaDOTcom the "issues" page and follow the further links to find out if he plans to expand or decrease the military and if he plans to keep "non-combat" troops in Iraq. Anyone know? As mentioned previously, and also by K1dCharlemagne above, this information is indeed all available on Obama's website. BTW, when was that "must happen" impeachment happening again? I want to find out what actually happens when it starts. Whether the "paranoia" was justified or not.
queny2 3 years ago
this guy needs to educate himself. barack obama never supported the war. voting for funding only means that he's accepted that he cannot turn back time and wants the troops who are there to be provided with food and armor. also, in regards to barack obama's "money", most of his campaign has been financed by donations of less than $50 by everyday americans, not special interests. if anyone wants to have an educated debate about the merits of obama versus any of the candidates message me.
K1dCharlemagne 3 years ago
Indeed, not only was Obama vociferously against the war in Iraq, so was Illinois Senator Durbin. Indeed, Illinois was one of the few states where a large majority of voters and officials opposed Bush's illegal--and worse, stupid--invasion of Iraq from the getgo.
mopsius 3 years ago
Hmmn, two Illinois Senators carrying out their then unique mandate. "Snap." What is it with Illinois? Is it somehow mysteriously still attached to the outside world? Anyone from Illinois here tonight-care to explain? What will Obama's mandate be when he swears the oath of Office? Would he follow that mandate, or the policies on his website? I guess the latter could be the "fine print."
queny2 3 years ago
The point is Obama did oppose war against Iraq when it was not easy to do, and at risk, as did Durbin.
Iran--who knows? Anthony Lake is part of Obama's foreign policy team.
You might want to check him out very closely.
Surely there was a reason Kucinich threw his delegates to Obama.
mopsius 3 years ago
Nader knows he will not win. So...what is he trying to accomplish? If you know you won't win, and you still run, you are trying to simply make a point. Ok we get it, but to think Nader had nothing to do with Gore's loss is silly. He is not stripping off Neocon votes, he is taking away independents and some Dems who would have otherwise voted for Gore (a small but measurable percent) or not voted at all. This will only serve to take votes away from Obama, helping ensure McCain and more WAR!
Rachmanfan4life 3 years ago
If you plan on voting for Obama, or Clinton & you change your mind & vote for Nader then you are a glutton for punishment.
Nader should get the votes of those who wont otherwise vote... please!
ctadman212 3 years ago
nader no's he isnt going to president. His aim is to form a powerful pressure group against the two ideologically similar parties, the republicans and democrats.
jamy30 3 years ago
Dear Mr. Nader,
You have single-handedly come pretty close to killing our Democracy. I was sick about the outcomes of the last two elections. There is no doubt in my mind that if it had not been for your ill-advised but
-continued below........
lovestowatchu 3 years ago
Kill our democracy?
If anything, Nader embodied democracy. You're falling prey to imperialism, and what's worse, you think that anything that doesn't fall prey to the two party system is evil. That's one stupid way to live.
gravel2008 3 years ago
What you say is about democracy is great in theory, but it is not reality.
If Nader was such a great integral part of our democracy he would be part of every debate, caucus & primary since the BEGINNING. We all know he's entering now becuase he would have been squashed like Paul, Gravel, & Kucinich. (all who have good points)
The people have spoken. With votes. Thats why Hillary & Barack are left.
I dont live stupid. I live in the real world. Nader is NOT electable = .03% of vote in 2000.
lovestowatchu 3 years ago
If you place electability over substance, or power over substance, I don't think you believe in the American system of Governance.
"It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than vote for what you don't want and get it."
Eugene V. Debs
gravel2008 3 years ago
so you are saying that you dont trust America. America votes, and America votes who they seem fit. That equals electability. If America saw substance, they would vote for it.
So why do you hate Americans so much? Why do you want Nader even elected if you think the country is a crappy, unworthy nation? Your logic is crap. Im sure you'll go off topic from this one, I can bet it.
lovestowatchu 3 years ago
You've misinterpreted the statement.
Our system of Republicanism is unique because voters are allowed to choose their leaders. Under your system, you shouldn't vote for someone who won't win. You're placing restrictions on democracy based on 'electability.'
gravel2008 3 years ago
I believe in aq 3, 4, 25 party system. BUT, in THIS stage of the game, in 2008, after 7 years of hell, and after months and months of some great candidates answering questions, raising money and gaining the America's trust, to ride in now and start your candidacy, and then tell folks who are pissed "oh, so you dont want a 3 party system?" is WRONG.
lovestowatchu 3 years ago
Wait, you're one of the ignorant who blame Bush on Nader?
Alright, this debate is done.
Nader had a good point. If you asked Gore why he lost the election, I guarantee you he would not say 'Ralph Nader.' Hell, the guy lost his home state.
gravel2008 3 years ago
Did I even mention Gore here? or Bush? What the fuck are you talking about?
lovestowatchu 3 years ago
What was the seven years of hell reference about?
gravel2008 3 years ago
IF Nader was so concerned about Amer, (which is why people run, no?) Why run now? Why not start the candidacy when all the rest do? Because he doesnt care about the state of the country from the last 7 yrs. he cares more about this ideal of a 3 p system. Smart people see right through this, & they dont trust him. That is why he cares more about his ego. Hes run for PRes 4 times, & they have ALL sucked. Spend 4 years, 20 hours/day on the candidacy and maybe THEN Nader, I'll consider you.
lovestowatchu 3 years ago
So then, Gravel must be your favorite candidate, yes?
We've been in the race the longest, therefore, we're the most deserving of the presidency, by your logic.
gravel2008 3 years ago
eh....
Gravel ruined Alaska, has anger issues, failed attempt to end draft, lost 3rd term senateship after pissing off his constituency, and is generally unfit. I mean he's OK, but kind of a kooky old crazy uncle...no real policy...just jibbah jabbah and a shaky old fist....nah.
lovestowatchu 3 years ago
No real policy?
Ruined Alaska?
gravel2008 3 years ago
[this is 3rd]
ryanshaunkelly 3 years ago
-continued......ill-advised but well-intentioned candidacy, we would never have had George W. Bush as President in the first place. The world would be a different place if we had had Al Gore as our President these past 7 years. What on earth do you think you can accomplish by doing this again? You will never be President of the United States of America. All you can hope to do is cause the Republicans to stay in power for another four years. - continued belw
lovestowatchu 3 years ago
With Lieberman as Vice President? Or have you noticed Lieberman is a Neo-Con of the same stripe as Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, and so forth.
In that company Gore is fortunate he didn't win.
mopsius 3 years ago
- continued.......
Would you really prefer John McCain to Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton? I can't believe that. Haven't you caused enough pain and suffering for your nation? If the Democrats aren't pure enough for you, please move to Africa or South America and start a revolution there, because it's never going to happen here-- not even close. I hope all liberals, civil libertarians and lovers of freedom will join me in begging you to stop this insanity.
lovestowatchu 3 years ago
"Yes, Mr. President, Sir--we understand you want to take a piss."
"I do?"
"Yessir, Mr. President, may we escort you to the men's room."
"I decide things around here, not you!"
"Yessir, Mr. President, and we understand you have decided to take a piss. May we escort you to the men's room?"
"I want to call Mommy and Daddy, get away from me! I'll have you arrested!"
"Yessir, Mr. President, the men's room is this way. After you."
mopsius 3 years ago
The Italians have a word for it--Basta!
mopsius 3 years ago
Gee, I wonder if Putin as been getting any low-profile American visitors lately.
mopsius 3 years ago
I'm certain that I'll vote third party come November and look forward to seeing who will run... the remaining democrats and the repubicans candidates offer nothing I'm interested in!
blackturtleus 3 years ago
No CURRENT presidential candidate (but long shot Senator Gravel) endorses impeachment. That has to mean they don't want it to happen, or believe it should happen they can't win by doing so. And yet "Without the impeachment of Bush and Cheney, America can never recover." So what part of the garden of Eden are we in children? Apologies for the cross post, I think this relates to free and elections as well as Gravel and Nader as candidates.
queny2 3 years ago
Comment stolen from rg2027x on "Rep. Wexler wants Cheney Impeachment Hearings:
/watch?v=xQDLyKGX268#YB7kjATHxXI
"If Congress Impeaches, Bush will cancel 2008 elections, bomb Iran, declare national emergency, claim Martial Law: RALPH NADER: "Things Are a Lot Worse than We Thought"
/watch?v=rIO-tCPSfHA
So there's the answer to my above question.
queny2 3 years ago
You think so?
If Congress begins impeachment even just against Cheney, Bush will have to ask the permission of a whole assembly of surrounding functionaries just to go to the men's room and take a piss.
mopsius 3 years ago
Well, even if what Nader advised he was told was a genuine threat, I'd still on balance prefer the matter not to remain hypothetical. When the impeachment begins we will find out.
queny2 3 years ago
Why was Agnew impeached?
Corruption as governor of Maryland. Dream on.
How and why did Haig suddenly enter the mix as steps toward impeachment got going?
Why did Nixon resign?
mopsius 3 years ago
It is 9:30 PM. Do you know where your underground is?
mopsius 3 years ago
"You better stop, look around
Here it comes, here it comes, here it comes, here it comes...."
[Rolling Stones]
mopsius 3 years ago
"You call yourself a Christian
I think that you're a hypocrite
You say you are a patriot
I think that you're a crock of shit" ["SWEET NEO CON" Rolling Stones]
queny2 3 years ago
"Caracas, Venezuela, 21 February 2008 NP) Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez Frias has today rejected the unilateral statehood of Kosovo as 'it is the result of US pressure'. Chavez also fustigated the UN for allowing such statehood declaration within its own mandate. He then call for a revision of this independence declaration at UN and the EU...."
[Nowpublic]
Serious fustigation indeed.
Don't worry. Be happy. Everything is just hunky dory.
mopsius 3 years ago
" Belgrade (INS February 21, 2008)- Some 200,000 Serbs gathered in Belgrade Thursday to rally against Kosovo's independence and the supportive West, with the demonstration turning into an orgy of vandalism and robbery...."
Ah yes, another satisfied US customer.
mopsius 3 years ago
"George W. Bush's overall job approval rating has dropped to a new low in American Research Group polling as 78% of Americans say that the national economy is getting worse according to the latest survey from the American Research Group.
Among all Americans, 19% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 77% disapprove. When it comes to Bush's handling of the economy, 14% approve and 79% disapprove."
[American Research Group]
mopsius 3 years ago
Those Serbs and Iraqis were killed quite compassionately. Every red-blooded loyal patriotic Merkin knows that in his heart of hearts.
mopsius 3 years ago
I believe the most applicable term would be "humanely put down"
queny2 3 years ago
Indeed, indeed--isn't that what they said about Napalm?
mopsius 3 years ago
Napalm just wasn't photogenic, in those barbaric pre-embedding days.
queny2 3 years ago
Ditto
queny2 3 years ago
Well, looking forward to the map. A bientot.
Geezus, that mantelpiece is crowded. Beginning to look a little suspicious.
mopsius 3 years ago
Geez those Serbs are sore losers. Gotdang, they's still pissed. Think they'd have forgot the whole deal by now. I mean it was only about 5000 innocent civilians killed. You'd think they'd see Iraq and say, boy we were lucky.
Oh no, just husbanding those grudges.
Ain't healthy, not healthy at all.
They need closure you know--next prez should send some heavy duty Therapists over there.
mopsius 3 years ago
Hart's war could be seen as a tidy piece of propaganda. Plenty of massacring going on in that film.
queny2 3 years ago
You know like explain to them their leaders committed war crimes and all so they got what they deserved.
I am sure they will follow.
mopsius 3 years ago
Let's focus on Kosovo as a business proposition, without completely forgetting Serbia, but keeping it on the back burner for later. How about calling Kosovo "New Havana"? The major tourist commodities and exports could be quite similar. And airfares are so much cheaper.
queny2 3 years ago
Oh, that's good.
Big Brother likes the sound of that one.
mopsius 3 years ago
Maybe ask the Russians for that Stealth back too, you know as a friendly gesture.
Kiss and make up and all that.
Hey, you see the US Air Force says it's like outmoded and needs tons of money.
mopsius 3 years ago
I was just itchin' to spend my tax dollars on something useful. Better bombers, that's it! Maybe better rockets too.
queny2 3 years ago
Well, they already went the invisible route. How can you outdo that? How about the new non-existent technology--20 billion a pop and worth every dime.
The Russians won't be able to see them because they are not there.
mopsius 3 years ago
Now if we can just program terminal stupidity into our attack-bots, we can retire all those pesky, uppity generals.
queny2 3 years ago
Would not Americans follow, in the same situation?
queny2 3 years ago
Sure enough, Americans are good people. Most loving and compassionate and generous in the whole wide world!
mopsius 3 years ago
and of course militarily supreme. A happy accident. Surely God's will, I would have said, if it had looked at all durable.
queny2 3 years ago
Oh, I almost forgot--was going to put this up earlier:
Structurally impeachment is a matter of accountability, not only of specific offices but in general.
The elites are for the most part unaccountable, and indeed the unaccountability is a defining characteristic of being elite.
Eventually that leads to systemic incompetence by demand.
Actually a very good sign, don't you think?
mopsius 3 years ago
You know, sort of like making your bones, but in the case of the political, religious, and coroporate elites--it's more like fucking them up real bad so that you can be put in charge of something much more important to fuck, as a sign of requisite elitist unaccountability.
mopsius 3 years ago
Explains the rise of George Bush, for example.
Clinton too if you think about.
Course Clinton struggled because he had so much natural intelligence to overcome.
For Bush it was a breeze.
mopsius 3 years ago
Clinton had to distract himself. Bush has been fully engaged just trying to function.
queny2 3 years ago
Ah, thanks, now I get it, Tidy. Never worry explaining. Even I need to, sometimes.
queny2 3 years ago
I think it's a very good sign. Allow yourselves to be ruled by an absolute elite and your system will perish. It was ever so. It's just that each departure as history has progressed has left a bigger mess. We may all be part of the next one.
queny2 3 years ago
Heralds. Huge volumes written on them, but I haven't seen one gets to the real essence.
mopsius 3 years ago
"SINGAPORE (AFP February 20,2008 - World oil prices hit a new record of 101.32 dollars a barrel on renewed concerns over global crude supplies, dealers said Thursday."
The economy is unpatriotic! The economy is unpatriotic!
mopsius 3 years ago
Gravel speaks much truth, is highly intelligent, and plain speaking. But there is too much ego in what he says and a hidden contradiction--presidential power is a central part of the problem.
Saying that he, as president, would restore power to the citizen makes no sense at all.
Again he is needed in Congress fighting the unconstitutional executive power tooth and nail and on every issue.
And right now his main refrain should be impeachment, impeachment, impeachment.
mopsius 3 years ago
There are degrees of victory.
I am just concerned that the complete lack of a clear progressive voice in the Presidential elections is a progressive "extinction" inconsistent with the drive for impeachment, which also depends initially on progressive organization.
MG& RN could alternately become far more involved in the push for impeachment & also align with Kucinich, etc. standing for congress under some new progressive banner. "True Democrat" springs to mind. But would they, and when?
queny2 3 years ago
There was a very brief window in which "true Democrat" and "Progressive" may have intersected.
The main stumbling blocks were the two Roosevelets, Franklin and Eleanor.
FDR coopted the '30's as hallowed leader,
and turned left and middle to his own purposes, which were not that far from Churchill's or Hitler's.
This goes against the grain of later canonization.
But he was just another middle man, playing the corporatists off against leftists and resolving the crisis with war.
mopsius 3 years ago
The next step is neither left or right.
Nor middle either.
The myth is shredded beyond repair, whatever happens.
You don't have to accept Korzybski whole hog to see the pertinence of some of his definitions and categories and dynamics.
But even saying this is arcane to most people, and might as well be Martian to most Americans.
mopsius 3 years ago
Even if a workable program were in place tomorrow, it would take a generation to get to the point of being able to move forward.
It's been downhill, and exponentially, since WWII and most people have neither the courage nor the training to face the full range of the disaster.
mopsius 3 years ago
Do you know of any kind of map representing the next step?
queny2 3 years ago
Hmmm, any kind of map. Hmmm. Well, how about a thought experiment for starters.
You know, sometimes reversing items that most people don't even think capable of reversal gives one whole new eyes.
For example, what might, say, an "anti-commodity" look like?
mopsius 3 years ago
Question is, though--do we really want to put all these boring theoretics and pragmatics on the mantel piece? Someone might get bored enough to look closer.
All right then--an exciting map it is! No one will look more closely at that.
mopsius 3 years ago
Not in the age of GPS, so passé. Someone's going to draw up a map Monday. We can discuss it then. If it's any good we will be sure to rip it up:)
queny2 3 years ago
There we go, map and anti-map. We're cooking. Let's all go where the wild goose goes. Frankie Lane, right?
mopsius 3 years ago
The American dreamer. Well, after all America without the dream would be...look out your window. It ain't over till it's over.
queny2 3 years ago
OK "anti-commodity". Well it can't be bought or sold, and has the same value whether possessed or not, if it can be possessed at all. Kinda easy.
queny2 3 years ago
Sounds like you can't have your cake and eat it too, you mean?
Course then there's also "priceless"--you know like the Mona Lisa, just too hot to handle.
mopsius 3 years ago
We seem to want for the things that cannot be eaten or owned. True morals and values cannot be bought or sold. Indeed, when someone suggests a viewpoint is moral, or based on a value or values, it's liquidity is the litmus test.
queny2 3 years ago
You know there's some places in the world where there are whole clans whose only commodity sold to other clans is trust?
Course there was the ancient Herald's Guild too, slightly different, but they hanged together they did.
mopsius 3 years ago
Yeah, but still and all the smart money probably goes with the corporatists and their mercenaries in the end.
I mean, in a terrorist economy, how can you go wrong with Buffet or Soros or Walmart?
Almost a no brainer.
mopsius 3 years ago
a terrorist Hippy economy. Let's be specific.
queny2 3 years ago
"Terrorist Hippy"--oh you mean like Punk, right?
Goodbye Woodstock, hello Boston Massacre.
Hey, did you know Crispus Attucks was from Natick, Massachusetts?
Just like Doug Flutie.
mopsius 3 years ago
I suspect that if you took the negatives from both stereotypes; "terrorist" and "hippy" many if not most would be applicable to our chosen leaders. Murderous, cowardly, deceitful lazy, hedonists. That kinda thing.
queny2 3 years ago
The Boston Massacre. First experience of magic bullets. How does the Iraq Massacre compare? Are they up to 5 yet?
queny2 3 years ago
Wale, true nuff, Revere was pretty liberal with the red ink, warn't he?
mopsius 3 years ago
Nader is a man of unquestioned probity and magnificent service to the American people. Without him tens of thousands would still be regularly impaled on steering wheels and dashboards every year while US auto makers produced ever greater horsepower and flashier and flashier fins.
President?
No--why doesn't he run for Congress, where he is direly needed?
mopsius 3 years ago
WOOO!!!!!
xawesomexelix 3 years ago
What a great clip from Gravel. Great that he responded, and great that it was so fresh and entertaining to watch as well. Now where's Nader's response? This election just has to see a determined organized push from progressives, to ensure whoever wins knows they at least can't just carry on with the Neocon agenda.
queny2 3 years ago 2
In a perfect world
We will see the main stream being Nader/Gravel vs Ron Paul
One side is the true progressive
When the other side is the true conservative
xusword 3 years ago
Dear Davis,
Who do you think was the greatest president of the 20th century.
I am stuck between JFK and FDR.
Do you go for charisma or issues?
This question is important to me because it seems people are wrapped up in the Obama craze. They can't see that Gravel is better on the issues.
Obama reminds me of Kennedy in that he his charismatic and eloquent, and I sort of want that in a president.
I plan on voting for Gravel. Do you think Obama will be a horrible president?
mrtyles 3 years ago 2
The Greens! - One has to admire their idealism. You will find them campaigning for the preservation of the shark, the whale, a snake or spider in deepest Amazon, or some little known lizard in New Caledonia. Yet, when it comes to the preservation of the White race, Greens are virulently anti-racialists, screaming abuse and chastising anyone who dares defend its preservation and its progeny: that White race which has given humanity everything; from the wheel to space ships and computers.
TehBloggaar 3 years ago
What the fuck is "The White Race".
You mean Caucasians? Like the Arabs?
Indo-Europeans--oh, like the Iranians?
mopsius 3 years ago 4
yeeeaaaahhh GRAVEL08...
photofu 3 years ago 4
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"Without the impeachment of Bush and Cheney, America can never recover. The precedents for unaccountable government established by the Bush administration are too great, their damage too lasting. Without impeachment, America will continue to sink into dictatorship in which criticism of the government and appeals to the Constitution are criminalized. We are closer to executive rule than many people know..."
[Paul Craig Roberts]
mopsius 4 years ago 2
Sorry to butt in. I'm all for researching asserted facts, even though Presidential elections obviously have nothing to do with either facts or policy.
queny2 4 years ago
Also(dubdubdub)barackobama(DOT)com itself:
under the section Issues/foreign policy
Under the subtitle -- Building a 21st century military:
"Expand the Military: We have learned from Iraq that our military needs more men and women in uniform to reduce the strain on our active force. Obama will increase the size of ground forces, adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines. "
queny2 4 years ago
Or here, if you want the MSM version:
CNN Top Democratic candidates won't vow full Iraq pullout by 2013. Thu September 27, 2007.
"HANOVER, New Hampshire (AP) -- The leading Democratic White House hopefuls conceded Wednesday night they cannot guarantee to pull all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the end of the next presidential term in 2013." Google title to verify.
queny2 4 years ago
theres a petition to sign about this, maybe you should add it to the side bar???
RevolutionaryJam 4 years ago
Only in America could a public servant like Ralph Nadar be villified for being too popular. I'll vote for Nadar or Gravel and would give up a body part or two to see them win on the same ticket!
notyouneek 4 years ago
Maybe we can get Dr. Seuss exhumed and have him run?
aravonniv 4 years ago
What do Gravel and Nader themselves say about running on an independent ticket?
queny2 4 years ago
Feel good about not voting for a canidate who wishes to slaughter unborn children as long as it's the "Choice" of the mother.
HinesXL 4 years ago
yes better to save all unwanted pregnancies .. future soldiers and future thugs ..makes good sense .
outnleftfield 3 years ago
Hopefully we'll hear from the gentlemen in the coming days or weeks.
PeaceCzar 4 years ago
Its not a symbolic gesture to vote for people that are more qualified and trustworthy then the people that are misguiding the public with media collusion. People trust Keith Olbermann. thats a problem because he's made JOKES about Clinton and Edwards conspiring to commit CENSORSHIP against Mike in the "debates". There's a saying being passed around.
"JOIN THE FIGHT OR GET OUT OF THE WAY"
DOWN WITH CORPORATISM!
UP WITH LIBERTY!
GRAVEL NADER 08!!!
petitiononline com/granad08/petition html
oldhacks 4 years ago 2
UNELECT FIRST!
IMPEACH CHENEY NOW!
mopsius 4 years ago 2
dont you mean "dis-appoint" Bush has never been elected in his life. His entire political career was ran by Karl Rove's dirty politics.Gore and Kerry won they just didn't stand up for the people that voted for them. especially black voters.
oldhacks 4 years ago
The first election was definitely stolen. The second was likely stolen too but Kerry was also apparently paid off to throw the fight, which he did.
By the way the key theft both times was in Ohio, not Florida.
mopsius 3 years ago
2002 oil $29 per barrel. 2007/8 oil $90-100 per barrel.
mopsius 4 years ago
now that Chevron has all of it they're going to choke the public to death with the help of Hillary and inc.
oldhacks 4 years ago
"What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne...."
[Barack Obama 2002]
mopsius 4 years ago
Fleetwood is correct--Obama, and several other prominent Illinois politicians, were very vocal in opposing the the Iraq War, most of them before the war was began.
mopsius 4 years ago
Obama has voted to fund the war his entire career as senator. He states he can't end the war in Iraq by 2013. He says he wants 100,000 more troops and to increase our military budget. When we're not threatened by anyone...Obama is just garnishing political sway in the senate with this run. He's in cahoots with Hillary. Him saying she worked for wal mart is hardly the worst of it. Gravel was trying to explain to the public just how bad Hillary and corporatism is and the corporates shut him out.
oldhacks 4 years ago
Can you please lead me to a site that I can read about Obama quoting the statement about not being able to end the war by 2013 and also the increase in military budget?
pi314too 4 years ago
Please reference what you are stating and claiming about Obama.
pi314too 4 years ago
Have you even watched a debate? If so, you'd hear his 2013 answer, or have read he "hopes to start withdrawing troops in 18 months, as carefully as we got in carelessly."
Did he make a peep about the recently proposed $1 TRILLION military budget? Perhaps not, considering he wants to increase the military by 100,000 troops. Did he ever vote against funding the war while in the Senate, or take a truly principled stand?
No? Then you've got your answers. Do your own homework.
PeaceCzar 4 years ago
Yes, Im trying to do my homework. I just want to know if you can suggest any specific references and specific debates. Im asking you a question.
pi314too 4 years ago
Ok, fair enough. Here:
2013istoolate DOT com/
alternet DOT org/columnists/story/76208/
PeaceCzar 4 years ago
More and more I like this Davis Fleetwood as he "gets it."
Well, it looks like instead of Stalin in Prada (Hillary), we're going to end up being ruled by Idi Amin. No kidding. You have to remember that Obama is just one cut removed from the primordial swamp; his father was an African savage, quite literally.
ArmoredPanther 4 years ago
Knowing Kenyans,I know no savages comparable to the American Neo-Cons, the Zionist Born Agains, and the vicious corporatists behind them.
mopsius 4 years ago
That's actually a great point and I mostly agree! I am sick and tire of the neo-Zionist and their iron fist ruling this land, but how do we know for certain that Obama doesn't accept AIPAC money? I bet you anything that he does, which means we're still screwed.
ArmoredPanther 4 years ago
Great Video... as always!
RonPaulClips 4 years ago
That certainly did not give you time to see the correct information I have advised, to save a women from this heinous attack on our nation. Are you a gyne?
justicetruthreality 4 years ago
As later as 1958 women in the United States were still being subjected to clitoridectomy for excessive masturbation.
mopsius 4 years ago
Or rather, "excessive masturbation" in quotations.
mopsius 4 years ago
And male circumcision--is that or is that not also genital mutilation?
The true history of Western medicine, and specific history of conventional medicine int he US, is not a pretty picture.
And not just in relation to women, though especially in relation to them, true enough.
mopsius 4 years ago
It is especially true for women & children.
Gynos & Pediatric docs are known for being bottom of the barrel.
gmfutube 4 years ago
Who caused childbed fever?
Who caused SIDS?
mopsius 4 years ago
TRUTH.
r3s3t063 4 years ago
Ron Paul, was a gynecologist and never in all of his years as a gyne, did he stop the obgyn/medical community from butchering, one third of the, U.S.A, female population/22 Million women living today in the U.S.A. without their sex organ, operated on by deceit/incorrect information, for profit. See the correct information "female anatomy", at, hersfoundation.
Not just in Africa are women's sex organs mutilated, it is right here in the good ol' U.S.A., and called hysterectomy.
justicetruthreality 4 years ago
Episiotomy too, eh? Unnecessary Caesarian sections?
mopsius 4 years ago
We all need to become honest principled leaders in our respective communities to help Ron Paul and other honest leaders with our peaceful movement.
I have written an article that I wish for all intellectual individuals members of our civilized society to read. This article, if published nationally, will help Ron Paul dramatically in the remaining primaries.
watch?v=zbR4jXfQqVU
Eudoxio80 4 years ago
great video davis!!! hopefully nadar and gravel will team up, its our last hope this election!!
haveanopenmind 4 years ago
Glad to see those numbers on the petition going toootally viral! At this rate (looks like about 30 new signatures per day, not counting all the bogus ones), you might just have enough in time for the 2012 election. This is so sad. See you in 2012?
P3rf3ctStorm 4 years ago
Yeah, it gets about the same number of signatures each day as national staff Dr. Paul has to fire.
gravel2008 4 years ago
lol - Almost $6 million now, and still growing. But don't just take my word for it. Go to:
w ww.ronpaul2008.c om/
and DONATE!
Hell, I'm donating (significantly) to Dennis's Congressional campaign AND Ron Paul's Congressional and Presidential campaigns. How about you? Or is Dennis, to much of a "namby-pamby" for ya? [like you said in your latest knock-em-out "Braddock" video]. Btw, the current term would be "pussy".
P3rf3ctStorm 4 years ago 2
Mike donated to DK's reelection campaign. So did I, in fact.
Why is it that Dr. Paul doesn't support impeachment?
gravel2008 4 years ago
I seem to hear that question a lot. My answer is that he's not blocked it. He let it go to committee by House rules. It sits in the House Judiciary Committee right now, with Chairman John Conyers (a DEM) hanging it up. And since Nancy Pelosi (a DEM) has taken "impeachment off the table", I would imagine that the ultimate responsibility rests on her delicate shoulders. Imo, the Dem majority, which the House enjoys thanks to all of us that voted them in, should be wrestling her to the ground.
P3rf3ctStorm 4 years ago
But he's not even a vocal supporter of it.
In fact, Paul and the Bush administration go hand in hand, what with those nasty tax-cuts Paul voted for.
You're right, Dr. Paul has never voted to raise taxes, too bad that meant siding with Bush.
gravel2008 4 years ago
As far as the taxes go, that's his "principled integrity" and adherence to the Constitution at work. The Federal Income Tax is a tyrannical tax anyway and as it's currently imposed, is un-Constitutional even with the 16th Amendment in place. It was snuck in back in 1913 right along with the Fed, and that's where many of our problems (like perpetual war) and empire-building began. To me, that is a very central campaign issue. The FIT doesn't need to be replaceed, it needs to be eliminated.
P3rf3ctStorm 4 years ago
As far as being a vocal supporter of impeachment, I think that's a calculated political decision based on political reality and pragmatism. He's challenging the entire status quo and "the establishment" -- like the military-industrial complex. I think he's got more than enough very powerful enemies right now than to make impeachment "his" central campaign issue like DK did. I believe that would be a political mistake for him right now. The fault lies with Pelosi/Conyers right now for rigging it.
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