CMP EP- PA-28 Maiden Flight, Horizontal Stabilizer Failure (Inflight)

[yourhumbleservant1]

Buyer beware!

"sport models" are a grey area. Even full size aircraft are strengthened according to their purpose & models are no exception! eg) aerobatic aircraft are strengthened specifically for the purpose of aerobatics! A real PA-28 isn't strengthened for aerobatics! ..But when it comes to models, if you want to fly it "scale like" it would've been FINE. If you want to fly high G split S maneuvers then inspect it and strengthen it yourself PRIOR to flying it !

[TinkerManRC]

@yourhumbleservant1 thanks for your comment,,Tim

[20escravos]

The same exact thing happend to my CMP EP-PA28 last week. The Horizontal Stabilizer snapped in the exact same spot that Tinkerman's did in the above video. It dropped lik a rock and smashed in the cabin. It flew so dam good (before it crashed) that I just purchased another one. I reinforced and re-built the snapped tail and will install it on the new plane. I didn't even bother asking Nitro for a new plane but wondering if CMP's Mfg defect warrants a new replacement plane for free???

[TinkerManRC]

@20escravos Hi

Thanks for this info glad you fixed the issue and thanks for this comment..Happy Flying ..Tim

[Flyingrev]

Just wondering, did the manufacturer replaced the plane?

[TinkerManRC]

@Flyingrev Great question

No help at all and no replacement not a word..Thanks for asking and support..Tim

[hot4plasma]

Tim, you did a remarkable job bringing her in as best as you could. Not a bad landing, considering there was no tail. Good job!

[TinkerManRC]

@hot4plasma Well hate to say I did not land the model as she fell to the ground I had no control. Thanks for visiting and commenting..Tim

[BRUTAL1TY13]

It makes me wonder if the same exact thing were to happen in my real pa28.. would i end up on my skull like that???

[TinkerManRC]

@BRUTAL1TY13 Thanks for commenting..Tim 

[plsniper]

@BRUTAL1TY13 That's what I was just thinking.

[manuelbeltranmeza]

Fails are important in our hobbie.

Saludos desde México.

[TinkerManRC]

@manuelbeltranmeza Yes you are right..thanks for commenting..TMRC

[1976Chrysler]

Tim, your doing a great service for the RC community.

[TinkerManRC]

@1976Chrysler Thanks Tim

[taurustbolt]

wow, that was a cool landing!!! after reviewing the damage, do you possibly think that the manufacturer cut a corner in design or what?

[TinkerManRC]

@taurustbolt Not sure still evaluating thanks for visiting.. TMRC

[wtmcgehee]

@taurustbolt I have purchased several models through nitro and I believe the answer to your question is yes. This is why it is $99. I don't think TinkerManRC would admit to that because his videos are on Nitros website. That would be a conflict in interest.

[TinkerManRC]

@wtmcgehee Thanks for commenting..Tim

[DCRlive]

hi tim, which is unfortunate, how that can happen? Next time a better flying session as usual. regards ray

[TinkerManRC]

@DCRlive Hi Ray thanks, the tail was just week cool comment man hope all is well..Tim

[fisherboom]

Man that is well out of order hope you get a full refund of nitroplanes but i wouldn't bet on it.

[TinkerManRC]

@fisherboom hi Kris Thanks for the cool comment we will have to see what happens.. Appreciate your support..Tim

[TheAvigdor]

excelent !

[TinkerManRC]

@TheAvigdor  thanks very much..

[RCRedBaron]

Hey Tim, sorry to see that happen. I know how you must feel after that! Looked like a great flyer right up to that point bud! Im posting this video on our forum that NitroPlanes watches so they feel the pressure to take care of you! Good talking to you last night! Talk soon! ~~Robert.

[TinkerManRC]

@RCRedBaron HI Robert awesome comment man and thanks for your support ..great talking with you a lot of fun... Sweet..Tim

[TinkerManRC]

@tallblondesexy Sure thanks for stopping by and commenting I do appreciate the support and kind words..Tim

[joehandsome99]

Bummer, but you couldn't ask for a softer crash landing with the tail gone.

I'm sure you will have it flying again soon.

[TinkerManRC]

@joehandsome99 Hi Eric

Hey thanks sir great to see you visit and I would agree Hope all is well.. Tim

[mreid08]

Yea, I would be on the phone with someone. Refund or new plane!

[TinkerManRC]

@mreid08 LOL I know but anyway thanks for your support..Tim

[vizzuleyes]

Ohh sorry to see that but I know the way you fly and it looks like you still flew that to the ground, kept those wings level. Good job.

[TinkerManRC]

@vizzuleyes Hey thanks for your support and comment glad you stopped by..Tim

[123RCUK]

Ouuuuuuuwwwwwwwwchhh, bummer Tim, that sucks, but I have to agree with others, this vid should be grounds for a refund, as no model should do that in such a simple manouver...

Without this vid, proving what happened would be impossible, but for the tail to just "Fall off" is bonkers, seemingly a weak design in the rear of the fuse/stab..

Makes room for a better model :-)

[TinkerManRC]

@123RCUK I would agree very well said and all great points you are the man.. Thanks for your support on this and nice words.. We will see what happens and how this go's. great comment..Tim

[alishanmao]

that was a sweet inverted hard landing. joke aside. sorry for the loss mate. but its our life. I liked the way you honestly shared the flaw of the plane during your review. :D that counts. Keep up the great reviews.

[TinkerManRC]

@alishanmao hey hope all is well and thanks so much for visitng and commenting I sure do appreciate it .. Sure will keep up the reviews for you.. thanks..Tim

[alishanmao]

@TinkerManRC all is well here. thanks tim and yes I do watch your plane reviews but do not comment often. you have some great planes with you. how do you store them :D walls or ceilings. I am getting more into helis due to my new sponsor who is more into helis

[ncmcgoverns]

Ouch, sorry!! Hate to see that on any flight and especially a maiden.

[SlyDawg951]

That is too Bad, I hope you can bring your model back from the dead

[TinkerManRC]

@SlyDawg951 Great point I may just try and do that thanks for asking and your support..Tim

[TMHmodels]

Oh dear, on the upside it makes way for a new plane :)

[TinkerManRC]

@TMHmodels I agree thank-you very much for commenting..Tim

[RxRobbo]

what a shame! plane was looking great up untill the end

[TinkerManRC]

@RxRobbo I know what can you do LOL just the way it goes thanks for your support.. Tim

[hawaii4x4]

Sorry for the loss of the plane, your videos keep me going while I'm here in Afghanistan. Makes me looke forward to going home and flying again.

[TinkerManRC]

@hawaii4x4 Wow!! Hey thanks for the nice compliment. Be well and safe while over in Afghaistan. glad you enjoy the videos awesome man..Tim

[MyGeekShowdotcom]

I hate that fealing of hopelessness as a model heads to the ground after something like happens... The model looks repairable, will it fly again,

[TinkerManRC]

@MyGeekShowdotcom

Great Question

Not really sure at this point I may but I will just have to wait and see how all the projects go. Thanks for asking and support,,Tim

[randyneighbour]

sorry for your loss and that was a great video plane flys so nice and then the hole tail breaks off im glad i dont have that kit and im happy i wont now thanks to you. thanks for shareing tim

[TinkerManRC]

@randyneighbour No Worries bad kits come and go but the good ones stay with you.. You know the deal on this one..thanks for the kind words and visiting.. Awesome man ...TMRC

[griffmustard]

Was that the voice of Mrs. Tinkermanrc? Sorry for the loss. The flight till then looked awesome. Mine is still in the box, and I've heard of similar incidents from other pilots with this model. I will be sure to beef mine up when I get around to building it. Keep up the good job with videos TM, they are very informative and helpful. CMP = Cheaply Made Planes.

[TinkerManRC]

@griffmustard Yes LOL great comment and agree thanks for your support..Tim

[vfatnuts]

dam that sucks tim i know what is like to lose a bird LOL you have seen my vids and it is not fun lolol but that is part of the hobby.You are a good builder and i look up too you for tips and stuff.well hope you get fixed....if you are like me witch i know you are not lol i can fix and rig stuff you to make it work so if you are going to trash that let me know and i will buy it lOOL

[TinkerManRC]

@vfatnuts Hey thanks and cool comment and all great stuff..Thanks again for your support..Tim

[cloudsplitter24]

I sure am sorry to see that, looks like a beautiful model.

[TinkerManRC]

@cloudsplitter24 Hey thanks well thats how it goes LOL thanks for your support.

[youtwoba]

Wow thanks for sharing Tim! Great footage though :0)

[TinkerManRC]

@youtwoba Hi Tom sure man glad you stopped by and had a look.. Tim

[sdjb111]

Well Tim sorry for the loss. Guess I will not be doing this one. Or ya thinkit was the one in a million?

[TinkerManRC]

@sdjb111 OK LOL I know what you mean and had I known I would not have done this one as well. thanks for your support..Tim

[sdjb111]

DANG IT ALL

[TinkerManRC]

@sdjb111 LOL I know..Tim

[SubatomicMD]

:) Great job Tinkerman!!

[PC9JEFF]

You should send this vid to nitroplanes and DEMAND a new plane. It was obviously a design flaw. Just look at how many subscribers you have - all it would take are a few not so good words about them and they would loose business. it is their resp. to replace your plane due to design and build issues.

J

[TinkerManRC]

@PC9JEFF great point and thanks for the advice on this also I do appreciate your support..TMRC

[netdudeuk]

I blame that £$%^&* IC engine ;-)

[TinkerManRC]

@netdudeuk Yes me to LOL thanks for visitng and commenting TMRC.

[jetcrasher1]

Sorry for the loss of what lookked to be a good aircraft. Just goes to show that even with all the maintenance, pre-flight checks, etc. Planes do and will fail us from time to time. As long as no-one gets hurt, we learn, build, fly, crash, repeat.....At least this wasn't pilot error...I hate when that happens.!!!!

[TinkerManRC]

@jetcrasher1

I agree man hey thanks for this cool comment and your support..Tim

[Kennerdahl]

The CG was spot on thou.. ;D

[TinkerManRC]

@Kennerdahl  Yes Had the CG right on LOL great question and thanks for the comment..TMRC

[rgthd007]

Another great video. Sorry about the loss of the model Tim.

[TinkerManRC]

@rgthd007 Wow hey thanks for visiting and support .. ..Tim

[PatBALEX]

Sorry about the crash Tim...Is'nt that a Piper with a full-flying stabalizer? What caused the tail to come off?

[TinkerManRC]

@PatBALEX Pat

How you doing. Yes you are right the real one does have the moving tail This model, the Stab does not move. As far as the tail failing its a week point of this model as you can see.. Thanks for commenting and visiting man. Sweet..Tim

[ipotch1]

i had this happen to me last week on my extra 300 but i landed it nice and smooth the only thing that broke was the horizontal stabalizer

[TinkerManRC]

@ipotch1 Glad to hear you got the model back great job and that is good to hear.. Thanks for visiting ,,Tim

[flyingm1]

I'm sorry for your loss but thanks for posting this video. You may have helped a lot of people avoid crashes. I have this model still in the box.

[TinkerManRC]

@flyingm1 Hey thanks for commenting and thats great you have the kit just make sure you strengthen the tail good luck and thanks for you support...

[poppopscarvinshop]

Crap Happens - Crap Sucks!

Sorry Tim.

[TinkerManRC]

@poppopscarvinshop Yes right on LOL thanks for your support.. TIm

[absolutsoju]

Great video and nice explanation. After purchasing mine, I've heard reports of the same problem. And to this day, its still sitting on my bench. So far Ive taken all the covering off the horizontal and vertical stabs and Im in the process of planking them with 1/32 balsa sheet for rigidity. So is yours total loss or can you rebuild?

[TinkerManRC]

@absolutsoju

Awesome you are doing the right thing, yes you are right on the money. in addition, I would recommend the Vertical Stab and inside the Aft section of the Fuselage. I may be able to save it, just don't know were to get the canopy. Good luck with yours and strengthen it were you can,. because your going to need it. Thanks for visiting and sharing ..TMRC

[jauchiu]

Wow all that hard work. Sad.

[TinkerManRC]

@jauchiu Well what cah you do somethings just happen.. but had to share it with everyone.. Hey thanks for viewing and commenting..Tim

[tommern89]

Sorry for the loss of this great looking plane, were there just simply too much stress on the airframe, or just a bad design that caused the tail to fail you think?

[TinkerManRC]

@tommern89 Well the tail does need to be strengthened I have never had this happen to me in all the models I have flown.. your right it speaks for  itself. Thanks for commenting and support..TMRC.

[poerik]

i'm proud of you thumb up lol ;-)

grtzz pierre

[TinkerManRC]

@poerik LOl it just happens LOL what can you do thanks for commenting awesome..Tim AKA TMRC