It's probably been said, but each person actually spoke for around 20 minutes. Unfortunately I can't post a direct link to the unedited versions because youtube doesn't allow U R Ls in comments but if you go to daily motion dot com and search for intelligence debate you will see them.
The results would have been quite different if the debate we're held in front of an American audience, and for that I am ashamed. Credit to the UK and other countries who have won out against irrational thought and unjustified doctrine. I can only hope that the US will follow.
@TheBurninator50 It's strange that the USA, a world leader in many areas in the 20th century should be so far behind when it comes to this. It will change though, many young Americans I speak to give me hope.
@Key3812 Yes I feel the winds of change as well, however I think it will be decades until we have reached a point even close to many European countries. Thank you for giving us a good example to point to when we're trying to convince conservatives that atheism doesn't necessarily equate to total anarchy!! :)
@Key3812 The average age of Fox News viewership is 62 years old. In two or three generations, these types of people will have died off and all their dogshit religious ideas that were spread onto offspring will have died off as well. It's no joke that college-educated twenty-somethings are the primary atheist population in the U.S. Pretty soon, they'll be the old people.
@Key3812 Agreed, even if they are religious, the younger generations are usually pretty liberal and secular... this is mostly due to the information age and peoples ability to acquire vast amounts of information on many topics. Liberal societies are the breeding pool for free thinkers. Science, logic and reason will win; because it works.
To the more emotionally susceptible,(nice way to say less logical) the "appeal to emotion" finishes of the catholic speakers would probably be very effective. Not a good venue for their preaching.
What is it? Leviticus 20:13? And one commits adultery even if one thinks it - it's the same. Those two together, applied, would suggest that homosexuality - the desire and act - are against Catholicism... and Christianity generally. They pussyfoot around issues and values they know that freethinking idividuals will find disgusting and immoral.
I do love this, but I feel a bit sorry for the motion for. They never stood a chance against Hitch and Fry. That being said, no two people in the world would be able to successfully argue against them both on this motion, it's a no-constest :)
Widdicombe is the most infuriatingly ignorant grotesque god awful shite, she defies articulation so i will simply express GRAHGRHGARHGARHGAHRGAHRGAHGHAR
@whylie74 Don't get me wrong. In the next 10 years or so we're going to see a huge infux of christian apologists due to increased attendance to bible universities.
I love the drama that is going on here between hitchens, fry and that old woman. The african guy is a complete idiot, but that old woman is butthurt :) Completely slaughtered!
I do not think that the debate changed any religious orthodox minds. It is sad indeed, but it is almost impossible to change a dogma in practice. In theory is impossible.
Check out Hitch's shit-eating grin @3:43 on the left-side of the screen as Fry is likening the Catholic Church's dismissal of crimes to that of a burglar on trial.
@yersimapestis no not at all that ending was a kick in the bollocks for the catholic child raping dirty god fearing mother stoning war mongering bastards
I'm Catholic but after hearing the incredible speeches delivered from Hitchens and Fry I feel like becoming Agnostic or a different form of a Christian
I will say this: the Catholic Church could not possibly have chosen two less articulate and appropriate debaters. Even with both hands tied behind their back, Hitchens and Fry would "beat" them in a debate.
Too bad as far as factual accuracy goes, these two wiped the floor with Hitchens and Fry. Seems like Death hitchslapped Hitchens, doesn't it? Doesn't his own brother disagree and refute everything Christopher said? Why, so he did.
@MrTrilliondollarman To your "points", in order: 1) Your definition of "factual accuracy" would play a large part in why you felt this way. 2) Joking about Christopher's death seems like misdirected anger, and a feeble attempt at best. 3) Peter, being a theist debater, always refuted everything Christopher said- how does this make any of his assumptions any more accurate? I have nothing against you or your beliefs, go in peace and may your God go with you.
2) What joking? He's dead. I showed no more mourn his death than I should a cockroach...that is, if we want to follow what atheism says.
3) Peter's statements have turned out to make more sense than Christopher's. I could point out how much more accurate they were, but that would take us back to point one.
@MrTrilliondollarman Why are you calling me an idiot when you do not know me or how I feel about anything regarding this video but for my contention that Widdencombe & Onaiyekan were not the most articulate speakers the church could have chosen for a VERBAL debate. I did not say I disagreed or agreed with what they said, I was making an observation. Since I have an open mind, I actually felt that both sides had some interesting points. Why are you so angry? Calm down.
To me, this is all about which side was more accurate, and by that standard, Widdencombe & Onaiyekan won...period. You don't get to vote on what truth is. Why are you such an idiot? Think for once.
@MrTrilliondollarman So I'm a non thinking idiot for feeling the church could have chosen better debaters? You are assuming because of this point that you know me well enough to make those judgements? From three comments on a YouTube video? And you wonder why people outside the church see religious people as judgemental? Actually, you probably don't wonder or care how anyone sees you, because you are so certain you are right that God himself likely couldn't convince you otherwise. Have fun.
Isn't it interesting that I'm the theist yet I'm the one putting greater emphasis on the facts? And you wonder why atheists are viewed as hypocritical fools? If God didn't exist, how could God be able to convince anybody? You just didn't bother to think that one through.
@MrTrilliondollarman I don't wonder why atheists are seen as "hypocritical fools" by catholics because I am neither. If you had paid careful attention to my posts instead of jumping directly into attack mode, you would see that nowhere do I claim to be atheist or not to believe in God. I was making an observation that in verbal debate, the side with the most facts dosen't necessarily "win" in a staged format like this unless both sides are on equal footing, presentation-wise.
Atheists are at best fools and at worst intellectual thieves. If we are to take the intelligent route, as these series of debates want us to, we have to go with which is the most accurate, and the accurate side is not Hitchens or Fry.
Atheists are at best fools and at worst intellectual thieves. If we are to take the intelligent route, as these series of debates want us to, we have to go with which is the most accurate, and the accurate side is not Hitchens or Fry.
@MrTrilliondollarman i could argue with you for ever and win every time but your weak and immature, and the fact that you would only dodge my questions to you on god and religion ill leave you alone
You can argue and get beaten like you've been doing, so why it doesn't dawn on you that you've lost, I dont know. I have dodged nothing; you've just made crap up.
@MrTrilliondollarman your mistaking me for someone else you knob jocky i've never asked you anything or got into an argument with you i dont lose arguments on religion or god
@MrTrilliondollarman your so funny you sound and type like your about 10-maybe 12 at most ask me anything nutrub and ill slam you ill tear your fucking argument to pieces you dirty fucking catholic cock sucking priest obeying wanker go fiddle with some choir boys bum
THE TRUE WORDS OF CHRISTIAN!!!!!........ i thought you lot were meant to be at one with god, forgiving and understanding... not with an attitude like that.
@MrTrilliondollarman you low corrosive lump of feacal horror, you maniac bastardly turd, i would rather drink stale urine from norman fowlers arse pit than spend another second reading your text, your filth your cack your the ooze of a burst boil, i abominate you, you towering mound of corruptive slime, your every uttering is like the slivering hiss of a fat maggot in the putrid gut of a decomposing rat, you are more foul than the unwiped inner ring of satans rectum. have a nice day
Here I thought truth was truth no matter how people vote. Will two plus two always equal four no matter how the people vote? If no, then truth is relative and no one really won this. If yes, then Hitchens and Fry lost this one since the other's stand was more factually accurate. There are no other options.
There are other options you dumb fuck... At the start they did a vote.... at the end they did another vote... the voting concluded that hitchens and fry won...
THERE IS NO REFUTING THAT AS ITS ON THE VIDEO ABOVE NUMBNUTS!!!
@MrTrilliondollarman P.S. Since my original post said nothing of my own beliefs, and I was in fact simply pointing out that if you are going to choose representatives for a verbal debate, Widdencombe (who sounds exactly like one of the "pepperpot" characters from an old Monty Python skit) and Archbishop Onaiyekan, who has a shaky command of the english language at best, were probably not the best choices, why the attack? I realize you are "super bad ass atheist hater", but really?
None really. Most of the supposed translation errors are either variations on location spellings or transliterations, you know, that little word you keep stumbling over?
Instead you choose a viewpoint that's based on horseshit and the crippling of education...limey twat.
I will go wherever I please and atheist eurocrap like you can't stop me. In fact, I'll help spearhead the movement to bring England back to Christianity.
@Catapultandclingfilm Take that ignorant pillock out of America. We have quite enough crackpots to be getting on with as it is. :-) Just not to the UK; I'm moving there this winter. :Þ
haha, i agree!! if ever there were a good time to use the word "crackpot", its at his expense. I shall stick to my word when i say " the best americans, are the ones that have left american soil"
I wonder how many people will have to tell him he is a crackpot, before he decides that
A - he IS a crackpot
or
B - The rest of the human race are insane compared to him...
I dont care what he does, so long as it has nothing to do with me or anyone else.
Given your infantile responses and your penchant for claiming everything while proving nothing, I'm given to believe that you're either trolling, a psychotically narcissistic fundamentalist or both.
Either way, it's not worth discussing anything with you - intelligently or otherwise - and everyone would be better off just blocking you and getting on with it.
Given how you obviously suck at psychology and mind reading, I'm going to assume you're either too lazy to come up with anything important or you're not smart enough to come up with anything important.
Clearly, you don't like being told you're wrong, but too damn bad.
@MrTrilliondollarman translations of the bible arent widely accepted among linguistic experts as having translations errore. the errors are in the original, which has been edited at various times throughout history. the Torah, or Old Testament itself is attributed to at least 5 different writers each who went back through other books and edited out different parts and changed wordings. its most evident in Genesis where you can actually see 2 different creation stories.
Wrong. There are no errors period. The massive amount of copies we have of all the books makes the odds of any errors slim to none. Genesis does not have two creation stories but rather one going into more detail than the other.
@MrTrilliondollarman linguists and scholars have called most every book into question as to who authored what and how many people rewrote and reedited what. its evident given the evolution of language during the times each book was made, each one containing language that wasnt yet evolved at the time of the books writing and handwriting didnt match up on the original texts. showing they were edited decades after they were each written as demostrated in less detail
That's a lie...and a Fry-Lie at that. The only real question that has come up with them is the word order in which to use in each corresponding language. We have too many copies of the texts to consider them inauthentic.
@MrTrilliondollarman if you want to get into it in more detail the information is certainly out there and you are free to do research on it. as for genesis how do you explain god creating man and woman, then later on there suddenly is no woman and god made woman from adams rib? that was just a glaring compression of two seperate origin stories right in genesis. and dont bother going to matthew and acts, the story of judas fate will just confuse.
@MrTrilliondollarman the entire story of exodus has been disproved by israeli archaeologists trying desperately to prove it even happened. modern archaeology findings have shown no evidence of any of that entire story ever even happening.
Since when? A dome is a structural element of architecture that resembles the hollow upper half of a sphere. Two half spheres or hemispheres if you will make one whole sphere.
well people died when they preyed, and then science came along and discovered modern medicene..... Answer the fuckin question... would you prey or would you go to the hospital?
@MrTrilliondollarman Spoken like a true believer. "I don't like their opinion, their death brings me joy." Rewatch the video because not even Hitchens wishes death on the pope or any pope. He touts the truth, I didn't hear from you or her any rebuttals on those "misconceptions". Read a book.
Spoken like an ignorant atheist. "This believer must not have really understood what the atheist was saying." He touted bullshit that he knew was bullshit and anyone could look up and see it's bullshit.
@MrTrilliondollarman what are the misconceptions?that they are responsible for the spreading of aids throughout Africa because of the lies they have told?that they have encouraged child molestation by actively supporting the perpetrators and covering up their actions?please tell me how they are ignorant?oh and how very christian of you reveling in the death of another human being.
What spread of AIDS? According to the UN, AIDS is down in areas that follow the Church's teaching. Encouraged? Maybe if we were talking about the public school system, but the Church? Never. Show me just one document---just one--that says the Church taught molesting children was okay.
How very atheist of you to cheer him on even though he touts crap.
@MrTrilliondollarman they supported the perpetrators and covered up their actions which encouraged further cases of abuse,look it up its well documented.as for aids they have continuously lied and said that condoms actually increase the risk of infection.
Actually, it is poorly documented and blown out of proportion. Condoms do increase the risk of infection, even if you assume proper storage and usage.
@MrTrilliondollarman first off, hitchens and fry obviously won that, secondly, how can you possibly say that they'r ignorant? unless your a typical brainwashed, closed minded, and completely deluded individual, judging by all of your comments that you'v posted here, you definitely are.
i feel sorry for you and others like you, i hope you find it within yourselves to ask that god you so desperately believe to let you free.
No, they did not. In terms of accuracy, the other two won this one. Not their fault the people didn't feel like listening. Unless you're a dipshit a-the-tard, which you clearly are, Hitchens raped logic and Fry just lied.
God has set me free from the shackles of atheism and i will NEVER side with it ever again.
@MrTrilliondollarman hahahaa, holy shit! your a complete retard! and i don't have time for crazy people, especially christian fundamentalist crazy people, so guess what..... blocked!
good luck with the rest of your DELUDED existence you complete and utter moron!
trillion dollar asshole, so many people on this comment page have called you an illogical, religious nutbar (or similar) yet with each of your comeback comments, youve found more people that think youre an idiot... keep going,
heres another one for you
If you suddenly become ill, bleeding from your ears, foaming at the mouth, do you go to your doctor (science based solution) or do you go to the church and prey?
I have yet to see a religious comment at the top xD This certainly makes me feel good about humanity ;]
wonszlol 1 day ago
It's probably been said, but each person actually spoke for around 20 minutes. Unfortunately I can't post a direct link to the unedited versions because youtube doesn't allow U R Ls in comments but if you go to daily motion dot com and search for intelligence debate you will see them.
docjanitor 1 day ago
I always feel when debating against religious people they are trying to preach to me instead of having a thoughtful conversation.
jdroker 2 days ago 4
The results would have been quite different if the debate we're held in front of an American audience, and for that I am ashamed. Credit to the UK and other countries who have won out against irrational thought and unjustified doctrine. I can only hope that the US will follow.
TheBurninator50 3 days ago 5
@TheBurninator50 It's strange that the USA, a world leader in many areas in the 20th century should be so far behind when it comes to this. It will change though, many young Americans I speak to give me hope.
Key3812 2 days ago
@Key3812 Yes I feel the winds of change as well, however I think it will be decades until we have reached a point even close to many European countries. Thank you for giving us a good example to point to when we're trying to convince conservatives that atheism doesn't necessarily equate to total anarchy!! :)
TheBurninator50 2 days ago
@TheBurninator50 I can't take credit for my fellow Europeans, I'm just as thankful to live in a relatively rational society :-)
Key3812 2 days ago
@Key3812 The average age of Fox News viewership is 62 years old. In two or three generations, these types of people will have died off and all their dogshit religious ideas that were spread onto offspring will have died off as well. It's no joke that college-educated twenty-somethings are the primary atheist population in the U.S. Pretty soon, they'll be the old people.
McLarenF1God 2 days ago
@Key3812 Agreed, even if they are religious, the younger generations are usually pretty liberal and secular... this is mostly due to the information age and peoples ability to acquire vast amounts of information on many topics. Liberal societies are the breeding pool for free thinkers. Science, logic and reason will win; because it works.
koolanator 1 day ago
Such a fail closing statement by the catholics
DrDarwinian 4 days ago 8
the fact that they employed anne widdecombe of all people for the defense of the catholic church doesn't say a lot.
Charlesieiy 4 days ago 2
Motion: Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens are a force for good in the world
sirbinkalot 4 days ago 42
@sirbinkalot i second the motion.
jackiechano1 2 days ago
To the more emotionally susceptible,(nice way to say less logical) the "appeal to emotion" finishes of the catholic speakers would probably be very effective. Not a good venue for their preaching.
bbmisc420196 4 days ago 3
I appreciate the way this is cut.. if you watch all five you get to see the 'What are you FOR?' line twice.
GypsyLeah 5 days ago 18
@GypsyLeah That line physically hurt to hear even once. To hear it a second time just made me burst into tears. Oh, Stephen.
YubiShines 4 days ago
What is it? Leviticus 20:13? And one commits adultery even if one thinks it - it's the same. Those two together, applied, would suggest that homosexuality - the desire and act - are against Catholicism... and Christianity generally. They pussyfoot around issues and values they know that freethinking idividuals will find disgusting and immoral.
Fry and Hitchens (RIP) FTW!!!
IbanezzShredder 5 days ago
Did anyone else notice that 52 extra people voted in the second poll?
QinGu9221 5 days ago
@QinGu9221 good catch, probably due to the fact that it is not electronically
gatraw 4 days ago
@QinGu9221 lol i did the math after reading your comment , i guess people didnt vote when they first entered
OldSkoolOnWeed 4 days ago
@OldSkoolOnWeed I assume that some people simply came late, after the vote.
JohnAdamZiolkowski 4 days ago
@QinGu9221 THey aren't extra, they are converters
iKevinFtfw 4 days ago
Catholicism got well and truly Hitchslapped.
lukey405 5 days ago 2
thats rich anne coming from a grotesque po faced virgin if her hymen popped it would be like a sonic boom lol
smout863 6 days ago
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So "Thou shalt not commit adultery" is a prohibition of gay sex?
mikelheron20 6 days ago
Anne Widdecombe could make the Pope become an atheist.
mikelheron20 1 week ago 4
@mikelheron20 Also, Anne Widdecombe could turn Ron Jeremy celibate.
nospacesallowed 6 days ago in playlist The Intelligence Squared Debate Christopher Hitchens 4
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@nospacesallowed And that's after a make over.
mikelheron20 6 days ago
you can see christopher hitchens and stephen fry thinking "we're boss, no doubt!" there too cool
SmartAssLIVE 1 week ago 5
Holy shit. This was the most unfair debate I've ever seen! haha
BobDylan1201 1 week ago
Press 9 to see the PRICELESS look on Widecomes face.
She looks like a Bulldog licking piss off a thistle.
ginganz13 1 week ago
9:07 Done and dusted.
RuleBritannia1987 1 week ago
Love Hitch's smile when Stephen says "you never mention that I give my father a birthday present..."
RuleBritannia1987 1 week ago 2
Seriously owned so bad.
ChrisCapulet 2 weeks ago
I do love this, but I feel a bit sorry for the motion for. They never stood a chance against Hitch and Fry. That being said, no two people in the world would be able to successfully argue against them both on this motion, it's a no-constest :)
everyonedoesit2 2 weeks ago 2
Widdicombe is the most infuriatingly ignorant grotesque god awful shite, she defies articulation so i will simply express GRAHGRHGARHGARHGAHRGAHRGAHGHAR
jabbott376 2 weeks ago 4
@jabbott376 Hah tell me about it. She didn't offer an antithesis after Hitchens but instead just denied everything he said. She's a dumb bitch.
195ashes 1 week ago
Hitchslapped.
xxFortunadoxx 2 weeks ago 8
@xxFortunadoxx won't be seeing anymore of those sadly.
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@whylie74 He has sewn the seeds of doubt in so many minds that a new hitchens will come forth.
xxFortunadoxx 1 week ago
@xxFortunadoxx I bloody hope so, or we'll be drowned by a sea of deluded cretins.
whylie74 6 days ago
@whylie74 Don't get me wrong. In the next 10 years or so we're going to see a huge infux of christian apologists due to increased attendance to bible universities.
xxFortunadoxx 6 days ago
WINNING
Fisklina 2 weeks ago 3
I love the drama that is going on here between hitchens, fry and that old woman. The african guy is a complete idiot, but that old woman is butthurt :) Completely slaughtered!
Hermoor 2 weeks ago 8
What the bishop said in the end, about the catholic church not claiming to be perfect; perhaps not, but they do claim that their leader is...
forger42 2 weeks ago 2
reazon won against superstition... sort of unbelievable to think you should actually debate in the first place if superstition is good.
MrTheGori 2 weeks ago
I do not think that the debate changed any religious orthodox minds. It is sad indeed, but it is almost impossible to change a dogma in practice. In theory is impossible.
MrTheGori 2 weeks ago
I love how Steve and Chris walk away at the end "Like a boss"
CraggleMcHamer 2 weeks ago
That ending just made my day.
Edward306 2 weeks ago 54
amazing, now the pope must die
MrMidnightcowboy1 2 weeks ago
@MrMidnightcowboy1
Screw you...he's done more good for the world than you ever will.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ive never allowed the raping of children, makes me a better man so screw you
MrMidnightcowboy1 2 weeks ago
@MrMidnightcowboy1
You have no basis for saying it's wrong. You have, however, approved of the explosion of a cathedral, so blow it out your ass.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
Really, archbishop? You still can't see how the Catholic church is NOT a force for good? Are you sure your glasses are working correctly?
TheSonorama21 2 weeks ago
@TheSonorama21
You mean Hitchens and Fry can't see how the Church IS a force for good?
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
I meant what I said. Please refrain from your immature chiding.
TheSonorama21 2 weeks ago
@TheSonorama21
Then you're an idiot. I'll keep this up until you admit to it.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
I really need to stop feeding trolls... Have a good one, mate.
TheSonorama21 2 weeks ago
@TheSonorama21
then why are you one, wanker?
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
Check out Hitch's shit-eating grin @3:43 on the left-side of the screen as Fry is likening the Catholic Church's dismissal of crimes to that of a burglar on trial.
spin1200s 2 weeks ago
Am I the only one that applauded out loud at the end?
yersimapestis 2 weeks ago 53
@yersimapestis no not at all that ending was a kick in the bollocks for the catholic child raping dirty god fearing mother stoning war mongering bastards
MrMidnightcowboy1 2 weeks ago
Love Stephen Fry, so much
killermonster555 2 weeks ago
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I'm Catholic but after hearing the incredible speeches delivered from Hitchens and Fry I feel like becoming Agnostic or a different form of a Christian
BayAreaOrBust 2 weeks ago
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BayAreaOrBust 2 weeks ago
HAHAHAHAA WIDDY'S FACE WHEN THE VOTES ARE READ!!!!
roonsta53 3 weeks ago
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roonsta53 3 weeks ago
I will say this: the Catholic Church could not possibly have chosen two less articulate and appropriate debaters. Even with both hands tied behind their back, Hitchens and Fry would "beat" them in a debate.
DarkeningSkies1 3 weeks ago
@DarkeningSkies1
Too bad as far as factual accuracy goes, these two wiped the floor with Hitchens and Fry. Seems like Death hitchslapped Hitchens, doesn't it? Doesn't his own brother disagree and refute everything Christopher said? Why, so he did.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman To your "points", in order: 1) Your definition of "factual accuracy" would play a large part in why you felt this way. 2) Joking about Christopher's death seems like misdirected anger, and a feeble attempt at best. 3) Peter, being a theist debater, always refuted everything Christopher said- how does this make any of his assumptions any more accurate? I have nothing against you or your beliefs, go in peace and may your God go with you.
DarkeningSkies1 3 weeks ago
@DarkeningSkies1
1) It is the main point, you idiot.
2) What joking? He's dead. I showed no more mourn his death than I should a cockroach...that is, if we want to follow what atheism says.
3) Peter's statements have turned out to make more sense than Christopher's. I could point out how much more accurate they were, but that would take us back to point one.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman Why are you calling me an idiot when you do not know me or how I feel about anything regarding this video but for my contention that Widdencombe & Onaiyekan were not the most articulate speakers the church could have chosen for a VERBAL debate. I did not say I disagreed or agreed with what they said, I was making an observation. Since I have an open mind, I actually felt that both sides had some interesting points. Why are you so angry? Calm down.
DarkeningSkies1 2 weeks ago
@DarkeningSkies1
To me, this is all about which side was more accurate, and by that standard, Widdencombe & Onaiyekan won...period. You don't get to vote on what truth is. Why are you such an idiot? Think for once.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman So I'm a non thinking idiot for feeling the church could have chosen better debaters? You are assuming because of this point that you know me well enough to make those judgements? From three comments on a YouTube video? And you wonder why people outside the church see religious people as judgemental? Actually, you probably don't wonder or care how anyone sees you, because you are so certain you are right that God himself likely couldn't convince you otherwise. Have fun.
DarkeningSkies1 2 weeks ago
@DarkeningSkies1
Isn't it interesting that I'm the theist yet I'm the one putting greater emphasis on the facts? And you wonder why atheists are viewed as hypocritical fools? If God didn't exist, how could God be able to convince anybody? You just didn't bother to think that one through.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman I don't wonder why atheists are seen as "hypocritical fools" by catholics because I am neither. If you had paid careful attention to my posts instead of jumping directly into attack mode, you would see that nowhere do I claim to be atheist or not to believe in God. I was making an observation that in verbal debate, the side with the most facts dosen't necessarily "win" in a staged format like this unless both sides are on equal footing, presentation-wise.
DarkeningSkies1 2 weeks ago
@DarkeningSkies1
Atheists are at best fools and at worst intellectual thieves. If we are to take the intelligent route, as these series of debates want us to, we have to go with which is the most accurate, and the accurate side is not Hitchens or Fry.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
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@DarkeningSkies1
Atheists are at best fools and at worst intellectual thieves. If we are to take the intelligent route, as these series of debates want us to, we have to go with which is the most accurate, and the accurate side is not Hitchens or Fry.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
Well... They were 'accurate' in the sense that they accurately dodged questions.
TheSonorama21 2 weeks ago
@TheSonorama21
So when the archbishop mentioned the Vatican served as asylum for jews during WWII, he was dodging the question? Nah, bullshit.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman you are so weak man so scared get a grip and enjoy yourself for once in your pathetic life
MrMidnightcowboy1 2 weeks ago
@MrMidnightcowboy1
I am...that's why your ass keeps getting beaten by me.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman i could argue with you for ever and win every time but your weak and immature, and the fact that you would only dodge my questions to you on god and religion ill leave you alone
MrMidnightcowboy1 2 weeks ago
@MrMidnightcowboy1
You can argue and get beaten like you've been doing, so why it doesn't dawn on you that you've lost, I dont know. I have dodged nothing; you've just made crap up.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman your mistaking me for someone else you knob jocky i've never asked you anything or got into an argument with you i dont lose arguments on religion or god
MrMidnightcowboy1 2 weeks ago
@MrMidnightcowboy1
Quit having your head up your ass, you glorified pant load. Atheists ALWAYS lose arguments on religion and God...no exceptions.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman your so funny you sound and type like your about 10-maybe 12 at most ask me anything nutrub and ill slam you ill tear your fucking argument to pieces you dirty fucking catholic cock sucking priest obeying wanker go fiddle with some choir boys bum
MrMidnightcowboy1 2 weeks ago
@MrMidnightcowboy1
You type like you're five, with all the errors a REAL adult would not make.
Open your mouth and I'll shove it up your ass, you fifthly atheist corpse fucking, dictator worshiping scum.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman Open your mouth and I'll shove it up your ass is this meant to mea something your dodging the questions again fucknut
MrMidnightcowboy1 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
THE TRUE WORDS OF CHRISTIAN!!!!!........ i thought you lot were meant to be at one with god, forgiving and understanding... not with an attitude like that.
Catapultandclingfilm 2 weeks ago 2
@Catapultandclingfilm
THE TRUE IDIOCY OF AN ATHEIST!!! I thought you lot were logical and a stronger grasp of the facts...guess not on both counts!
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
I was trying to make the point, that YOU....are christian, yet you have started swearing and being downright offensive to people.
how very christian of you.
Catapultandclingfilm 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman you low corrosive lump of feacal horror, you maniac bastardly turd, i would rather drink stale urine from norman fowlers arse pit than spend another second reading your text, your filth your cack your the ooze of a burst boil, i abominate you, you towering mound of corruptive slime, your every uttering is like the slivering hiss of a fat maggot in the putrid gut of a decomposing rat, you are more foul than the unwiped inner ring of satans rectum. have a nice day
MrMidnightcowboy1 2 weeks ago
@MrMidnightcowboy1
Blah, blah, blah...clearly I have broken you....;)
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman still no questions i see thats cause you know i will beat you every time numb nuts
MrMidnightcowboy1 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
Atheists always lose?... what about the video above? i think the atheists won...
Maybe you didnt watch it..
Click play you fucked up american retarded asshole of a redneck
Catapultandclingfilm 2 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Here I thought truth was truth no matter how people vote. Will two plus two always equal four no matter how the people vote? If no, then truth is relative and no one really won this. If yes, then Hitchens and Fry lost this one since the other's stand was more factually accurate. There are no other options.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
There are other options you dumb fuck... At the start they did a vote.... at the end they did another vote... the voting concluded that hitchens and fry won...
THERE IS NO REFUTING THAT AS ITS ON THE VIDEO ABOVE NUMBNUTS!!!
Catapultandclingfilm 2 weeks ago
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@MrTrilliondollarman P.S. Since my original post said nothing of my own beliefs, and I was in fact simply pointing out that if you are going to choose representatives for a verbal debate, Widdencombe (who sounds exactly like one of the "pepperpot" characters from an old Monty Python skit) and Archbishop Onaiyekan, who has a shaky command of the english language at best, were probably not the best choices, why the attack? I realize you are "super bad ass atheist hater", but really?
DarkeningSkies1 3 weeks ago
Fossils.
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
OH and thats the King James Bible....which was written nearly 1700 years after christs death..... talk about a reputable source.
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Too bad that Bible has translation errors. Thanks, I'll stick with D-R.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
Translation errors from Hebrew to English.... I wonder how many more there are that havent been figured out yet..
I wouldnt want to base my religion or my passage into heaven on a load of translation errors.... shithead.
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
None really. Most of the supposed translation errors are either variations on location spellings or transliterations, you know, that little word you keep stumbling over?
Instead you choose a viewpoint that's based on horseshit and the crippling of education...limey twat.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
What is the worlds fastest growing "religion"?f...... (its Atheism by the way)
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Wrong again. According to the World Fact Book, it's Christianity.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Kicking your ass has been so much fun, but now that I have another example of how atheism kills knowledge, I have no further use for you.
Be gone, stupid troll. You're blocked now. Just don't damage the world any more than atheism already has.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
Im a scientist.... we only move things forward...
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
except you took your intelligence two centuries back.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
Pussy, please stay IN america, dont leave... that way ill never have to encounter your fat ass
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
I will go wherever I please and atheist eurocrap like you can't stop me. In fact, I'll help spearhead the movement to bring England back to Christianity.
Ok...now you're blocked.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm No, please take him. Please? Please?
hathi444 2 weeks ago
@hathi444
What do you mean by that? take who where what?
Catapultandclingfilm 2 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm Take that ignorant pillock out of America. We have quite enough crackpots to be getting on with as it is. :-) Just not to the UK; I'm moving there this winter. :Þ
hathi444 2 weeks ago
@hathi444
haha, i agree!! if ever there were a good time to use the word "crackpot", its at his expense. I shall stick to my word when i say " the best americans, are the ones that have left american soil"
I wonder how many people will have to tell him he is a crackpot, before he decides that
A - he IS a crackpot
or
B - The rest of the human race are insane compared to him...
I dont care what he does, so long as it has nothing to do with me or anyone else.
+1 manpoint to you.
Catapultandclingfilm 2 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm Indeed to all points, though I do believe I deserve at least two more manpoints!
hathi444 2 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
Given your infantile responses and your penchant for claiming everything while proving nothing, I'm given to believe that you're either trolling, a psychotically narcissistic fundamentalist or both.
Either way, it's not worth discussing anything with you - intelligently or otherwise - and everyone would be better off just blocking you and getting on with it.
viresinfinitum 3 weeks ago
@viresinfinitum
Given how you obviously suck at psychology and mind reading, I'm going to assume you're either too lazy to come up with anything important or you're not smart enough to come up with anything important.
Clearly, you don't like being told you're wrong, but too damn bad.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman translations of the bible arent widely accepted among linguistic experts as having translations errore. the errors are in the original, which has been edited at various times throughout history. the Torah, or Old Testament itself is attributed to at least 5 different writers each who went back through other books and edited out different parts and changed wordings. its most evident in Genesis where you can actually see 2 different creation stories.
Keldrath 3 weeks ago
@Keldrath
Wrong. There are no errors period. The massive amount of copies we have of all the books makes the odds of any errors slim to none. Genesis does not have two creation stories but rather one going into more detail than the other.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman look up 3.3.3 a brief history of god part 1 on youtube and see if you change your mind. this is well supported fact in academia.
Keldrath 3 weeks ago
@Keldrath
It didn't. Well supported fact? Better think again..that video just repeats notions that have long since been debunked.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman linguists and scholars have called most every book into question as to who authored what and how many people rewrote and reedited what. its evident given the evolution of language during the times each book was made, each one containing language that wasnt yet evolved at the time of the books writing and handwriting didnt match up on the original texts. showing they were edited decades after they were each written as demostrated in less detail
Keldrath 3 weeks ago
@Keldrath
That's a lie...and a Fry-Lie at that. The only real question that has come up with them is the word order in which to use in each corresponding language. We have too many copies of the texts to consider them inauthentic.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman if you want to get into it in more detail the information is certainly out there and you are free to do research on it. as for genesis how do you explain god creating man and woman, then later on there suddenly is no woman and god made woman from adams rib? that was just a glaring compression of two seperate origin stories right in genesis. and dont bother going to matthew and acts, the story of judas fate will just confuse.
Keldrath 3 weeks ago
@Keldrath
That's easy to answer. Chapter one is talking about making man in God's image and the other is talking about it in more detail.
I will go wherever I deem fit, because I know I'll prove you wrong in the end.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman the entire story of exodus has been disproved by israeli archaeologists trying desperately to prove it even happened. modern archaeology findings have shown no evidence of any of that entire story ever even happening.
Keldrath 3 weeks ago
@Keldrath
Again, that's a lie. Modern Biblical archeology has proven the events did happen.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman no, it didn't. saying it did doesnt change anything
pieguy49 3 weeks ago
@pieguy49
Yes, it does show the events happened. If you really believed in your statement, you just refuted yourself.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
you still havent found the bible passage that says the world was created round
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
but you did find the one that proves the big bang theory..... bit hypocritical dont you think?
I thought god created the world, not the big bang!
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Wrong again, idiot. That's not what you argued. You argued "a priest proposing the Big Bang" was a lie, and it turned out you're full of shit.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
now im arguing something else...
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Instead of manning up to your failure?
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
Just like you failed and wont admit that you thought the bible said that god created a spherical world....
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Except Is 40: 22 does say that. Just waiting for you to say something that dumb.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
I'm waiting to see whether you have the balls to admit you were wrong about the Big Bang.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
Fair enough, i didnt know who thought up the big bang, but then... the big bang theory goes against the bible.... catch 22 mother fucker.
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Not even close to true. The Big Bang, as it exists now in the accepted model, perfectly matches what Genesis says about the universe's creation.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
that says "circle" not "sphere" Last time i checked the oxford dictionary, those two words are not synonymous....
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Except for the fact it can't mean circle because Genesis refers to the dome above and dome below and domes aren't flat.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
Domes arent spherical either. The scripture you said was Isiah... not Genesis... find me the genesis chapter and verse number then...
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Since when? A dome is a structural element of architecture that resembles the hollow upper half of a sphere. Two half spheres or hemispheres if you will make one whole sphere.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
And it definitely says THAT in the bible, are you sure its not a mis translation?
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Are you sure you're not naturally this stupid?
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
better yet, mr trillion dollar asshole thinks ANN WIDDECOMBE IS A REPUTABLE PERSON SHES AN MP!!!!!!!
sometimes this shit writes itself!
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Yet catapultcunt thinks someone's profession makes a difference...oh, wait: it doesn't.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
well people died when they preyed, and then science came along and discovered modern medicene..... Answer the fuckin question... would you prey or would you go to the hospital?
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
I think you mean pray, not prey. They're called homophones. Guess you don't understand basic English.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
I am English,,, unlike you stupid american that has ruined my language....
Oh and George Washington was English by the way :D
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
Last I checked, pray and prey are not interchangeable in Oxford English.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
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Flash13Magic 3 weeks ago
they just got hitchslaped and fryed!
kryo101 3 weeks ago
@kryo101
More like Hitchens and Fry got the wind knocked out of them...how can they both be so damn ignorant?
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman how are they ignorant?
Flash13Magic 3 weeks ago
@Flash13Magic
Having seen the whole debate, I agree with the woman (can't spell her name though):
Hitchens has touted the most idiotic misconceptions about the Church anyone has ever heard. I'm glad Death hitchslapped him.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman Spoken like a true believer. "I don't like their opinion, their death brings me joy." Rewatch the video because not even Hitchens wishes death on the pope or any pope. He touts the truth, I didn't hear from you or her any rebuttals on those "misconceptions". Read a book.
TheLastReplicant 3 weeks ago
@TheLastReplicant
Spoken like an ignorant atheist. "This believer must not have really understood what the atheist was saying." He touted bullshit that he knew was bullshit and anyone could look up and see it's bullshit.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman what are the misconceptions?that they are responsible for the spreading of aids throughout Africa because of the lies they have told?that they have encouraged child molestation by actively supporting the perpetrators and covering up their actions?please tell me how they are ignorant?oh and how very christian of you reveling in the death of another human being.
Flash13Magic 3 weeks ago
@Flash13Magic
What spread of AIDS? According to the UN, AIDS is down in areas that follow the Church's teaching. Encouraged? Maybe if we were talking about the public school system, but the Church? Never. Show me just one document---just one--that says the Church taught molesting children was okay.
How very atheist of you to cheer him on even though he touts crap.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman they supported the perpetrators and covered up their actions which encouraged further cases of abuse,look it up its well documented.as for aids they have continuously lied and said that condoms actually increase the risk of infection.
Flash13Magic 3 weeks ago
@Flash13Magic
Actually, it is poorly documented and blown out of proportion. Condoms do increase the risk of infection, even if you assume proper storage and usage.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
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@MrTrilliondollarman ''Condoms do increase the risk of infection''-are you actually serious?go back to school you fucking fool.
Flash13Magic 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman first off, hitchens and fry obviously won that, secondly, how can you possibly say that they'r ignorant? unless your a typical brainwashed, closed minded, and completely deluded individual, judging by all of your comments that you'v posted here, you definitely are.
i feel sorry for you and others like you, i hope you find it within yourselves to ask that god you so desperately believe to let you free.
good luck
kryo101 3 weeks ago
@kryo101
No, they did not. In terms of accuracy, the other two won this one. Not their fault the people didn't feel like listening. Unless you're a dipshit a-the-tard, which you clearly are, Hitchens raped logic and Fry just lied.
God has set me free from the shackles of atheism and i will NEVER side with it ever again.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@MrTrilliondollarman hahahaa, holy shit! your a complete retard! and i don't have time for crazy people, especially christian fundamentalist crazy people, so guess what..... blocked!
good luck with the rest of your DELUDED existence you complete and utter moron!
kryo101 3 weeks ago
@kryo101
Clearly, you have your head so far up your ass, you prefer to stick your fingers in your ears and go "no god, no god...lalallalaa"
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago
@kryo101
@MrTrilliondollarman
trillion dollar asshole, so many people on this comment page have called you an illogical, religious nutbar (or similar) yet with each of your comeback comments, youve found more people that think youre an idiot... keep going,
heres another one for you
If you suddenly become ill, bleeding from your ears, foaming at the mouth, do you go to your doctor (science based solution) or do you go to the church and prey?
Catapultandclingfilm 3 weeks ago
@Catapultandclingfilm
All them are a-the-tards who don't want to admit I'm right and they're wrong.
Why would I go to a church to find prey? As Mr Spock would say, "most illogical."
MrTrilliondollarman 3 weeks ago