Blanchard's work is not perfect, in his categorisation. But his work has been groundbreaking in many ways. His mistake is in making discrete categorisations whereas it is much more complex and fluid. I can defintely relate to some of the interviews and testimonials from people who identify in this way. I don't think you should shoot down what his work means because you are denying the way that some people do genuinely feel.
@gp4nut When someone approaches a study with a presupposition and frames subjective results as science, their work is trash. He's incredibly damaging and the evidence is that people in the community actually take him seriously.
@karmatic1110 but i and many others can personally relate to what he says. trashing this is like saying that i am just "confused" as many people have been treated wrongly throughout history. i think his only mistake is being too simplistic in his categorisation.
@gp4nut No. Being able to relate to what he states does not legitimize his research or conclusions. Andrea James has a great series of videos on this somewhere on Youtube. Do fetishes exist? Yes, but to state that lesbian TSes are simply fetishists is crazy. His "scientific method" is worthless and a lot of the people he interviewed were misquoted.
I've never head of this theory before, and when you were explaining it I was almost ready to shout at the screen! I hate the majority of Human beings, cuz they suck. I'm MTF, and I'm lesbian, so what!?
Autogynephilia type of sexual response or fantasies are not exclusive to transsexuals. They are quite common among the Gay, Lesbian and Bi sexual communities
A number of my Gay and Lesbian friends have reported to me that when they imagine themselves with a more attractive body they get turned on and have pleasured themselves to it. I makes sense they are sexually attracted to the type of body they would like to have.
Blanchard's interpretation of what these fantasies mean is incorrect.
@SecondLifeDesigner Autogynepheia is a very specific definition. One cannot simply apply it to different segments of the population. Furthermore, fetishizing an idea is not the same as a specific BS theory.
I've heard of such things before, I just know it's a bunch of bull they're trying to use to make us seem like deviants and rationalize shunning us. I would love to see them try to explain someone who's lost all interest in sexual contact yet transitioning, that in and of itself is proof that sexuality and gender transition are independent factors.
You make very good points.Personally i don't feel all trans people are strictly sexual creatures as i hear the word transsexual mentioned in the media.Trans people are just like everyone else in terms of variation.Some are cool, some are not. Some are mean spirited and some are not.But by and large in my opinion,trans people are very unique in as much as they can see both sides of the street.That in itself, in my opinion, is the sign of an awakened intellect.
Gender and sexuality are not essential, nor are they fixed. They are can influence eachother. Your talk of "community" is very tribal. On one hand your character in this video is understandable and on the other it is petty. I'm an advocate or queer theory and appreciate some of the troubles a transgendered person must go through. Only an idiot would reduce all transgendered to autogynephilia. I respect good old healthy fetishism and perversion, its those who denounce it who I am suspicious of.
@wxhluyp The specific theory I am speaking of (not simply the word) DOES apply itself to ONLY transsexuals that are attracted to women. It also claims to be the SOLE motivator. I am not making the statement that nobody is motivated by sexual desire to transition, but am stating that applying it that way is incorrect. The theory itself is divisive, marginalizes trans-identity as nothing more than sexual, and invalidates a person's experience. That is worth denouncing.
@karmatic1110 Yes I agree that your interpretation here should be rallied against, but not the interpretation I described previously. We don't want to throw out the baby with the bath-water.
@wxhluyp Furthermore, what makes a fetish worthy of respect? We as a people, tend to elevate the importance of these things simply because sexual turn ons are something we all (at least the majority) experience. I'm not stating that it's necessary to express disdain, but respect is something that is earned by people and ideas alike. Sexual fetishes simply haven't earned it.
@karmatic1110 Its a natural innocent, "eccentricity" and accept that among the limitless manifestations there are always gonna be those that disturb me. Ofcourse disdain can be deserved, especially if harmful. Thanks for responding :)
To "love of oneself as a woman" isn't exclusive to transexualism and doesn't claim to be its sole motivation. It can be present in all genders and orientations. The production of a fetish can be extremely counterintuitive, remote, contextual and perhaps untraceable (check out "mechaphilia”). Logically it has potential to influence gender dysphoria and surely there must be cases of M2Fs who were exclusively motivated by they're autogynephilia.
I have to go to the clark tomorow for some interviews so the government will pay for my surgery, in 2-5 years is that not lovely to start with(been full time for 3 years already). But the clark is were the idea came from and the questions they ask are designed to support this Autogynephilia, I am expecting questions about my masterbation habbits and what I think about when I am masterbating. I feel sick to my stumic that I have to go there but I do, so wish me luck.
Good video. I think theres a lot of older (not all) transsexual people that are not happy and transition did not work out for them...and they go and bash other trans people, and to be honest....i think its very fucking sad. I agree they are hypocrite and also fake fucks! Good video.
Ps: I am a transsexual woman, and did not transiustion for ummm sexual resound....like WTF!!? lol
It's a fact that some men find themselves greatly turned on by putting on women's clothing. I know one who wears panties because it "feels sexy" & it turns him on. These men dress up in women's clothes because of the way it makes them feel.
I think this term can be best used in the transvestite community, but in NO way, none what so ever, in our transsexual community. There's a huge difference between a transvestism & a transsexualism.
It's a fact that some men find themselves greatly turned on by putting on women's clothing. I know one who wears panties because it "feels sexy" & it turns him on. These men dress up in women's clothes because of the way it makes them feel.
I think this term can be best used in the transvestite community, but in NO way, none what so ever, in our transsexual community. There's a huge difference between a transvestism & a transsexualism.
I hadn't heard of this theory before, but if a person really sits down and thinks about it, it's a load of nonsense. It's like you said, it confuses gender identity issues with sexual orientation issues which are not the same thing at all, but it becomes easy to confuse small-minded or close-minded people who don't understand. You're very pretty, btw. :)
interesting topic, i hadn't really thought about it before. away from that, you're really pretty, you should model or something, you're bone structure is perfect.
Lately I learned of the term, and found relief in the fact that there were other people who feel the same way I do. But now I see that the term has a lot of negative connotations attached to it... I understand that you're against the use of the term to describe certain groups in the transgendered community, but what about it's use for people who are, in fact, autogynephiliacs? Or do you just think the whole thing is a bunch of BS?
Watch the Andrea James video in my favorites. Also, having a fetish does not equal the theory of autogynephelia as it is very specific. To accept the theory is to state that ALL non straight identifying trans-women are autogynepheliacs. That is what the theory states. I hate when people use a term thinking they know what it means when it doesn't.
Autogynephilia simply means "the love of oneself as a woman".
This so called "theory of autogynephilia" that you're talking about, which is actually called "the Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory", is what says that all non straight identifying trans-women are autogynepheliacs. The term autogynephilia is already established and simply used as an element within the theory.
So, it's that specific theory which you should be referring to, and not just a term used in it.
Right, but that theory is too intertwined with the term at this point to separate the two. It's not actually called "the Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence" theory simply because they came up with or are involved with it. The term and the theory are one in the same at this point. Bailey actually coined the term.
Just to clarifty the term. If you become sexually aroused by the idea of becoming a women that seems to be the way that autogy nephilia is used. Perhaps it has become more of a slang term than the theory that it actually represents. I created this account because I have always found feminization stories like TGtales and Bikast's work to be sexually arousing. Thats how I use autogynephelia. And I feel that besides my slight odd fetish I am quite comfotable being a guy.
@MrAutogynephilia Using it to represent a fetish is not proper, and perpetuates a terrible theory that seeks to marginalize transgendered people. Prepare to receive a lot of negative responses from TS people on your videos because it's not a term that the community takes lightly. It's equivalent to using the KKK to represent pride in a European ancestry.
I think most of use use it by the wikepedia definition. "To become aroused by the idea of becoming a women". It's not anything like I am burning transgenders on my front lawn or nothing.
I would like to know also if karmatic has ever been aroused by the idea of becomming a women before you transitioned? or were you just an overly feminine mail who wanted to transition to feel a little better about yourself?
@MrAutogynephilia Have you done any research into the origins of the definition or the history of the people who came up with it? They are terrible people and are akin to reparation therapists.
Wiki is worthless for information as ANYONE can edit it. Furthermore I was neither aroused nor just a "feminine male."
I will die a happy person when the term stops being used.
Me? Did you not listen to the theory? It states that all lesbian identifying transsexuals, as opposed to be suffering from Gender Identity Disorder, are doing so out of a fetish. The idea is associated with GID in that it discredits non hetero-normative sexual identification.
you are exactly right, spiro destroys drive, so the theory is complete rubbish. I still like girls and I am presently married to one. they are off there rocker
How does the autogynephilia theory explain non-hetero sexual transgendered people who have felt this way since before they were old enough to be attracted to anyone sexually?
As someone who has had cross-gender feelings since childhood and is not solely attracted to men, I can assure you I am NOT attracted to myself.
It seems to me that the term autogynephilia should only apply to non-transgendered males. If you are a "normal" male and the only only way you can get your rocks off is to imagine yourself as a female having sex then this term describes you.
On the other hand it seems totally natural for any transgendered M2F to imagine themselves as the female. It surprises me to no end that there is any debate about this in the TG community.
Perhaps what we need then is a new word that's not associated with this one (hurting the transgender community), but we still have a way to describe this "fetish".
Right, and Autogynephelia is not it. That would be like calling hallucinations Schizophrenia. If you look in my favorites, I have an Andrea James video there. Watch it.
While I can finally understand why this topic is so controversial, in the fact that psychologists are trying to take away the legitimacy of transexuality.. It's also not fair for some people to completely disregard this as a real condition. I can't deny that I completely fit this category. I have no desire to transition, and I typically don't crossdress just because I like the clothes.
You fail to understand the difference between a fetish and Autogynephelia. It is that distinction that is important when defining a condition. It is also that lack of knowledge that allows the Autogynepheliac MYTH to propagate within the transgendered community. Learn the definition of the word Autogynepheia in the clinical context PRIOR to using it and harming the community as a whole.
i have own personal proof of it too, i mean when i stopped eating properly so that i would stop growing and developing, i had no sex drive at all it obviously has nothin to do with being trans
yeh this anoys me soooo bad if i wanna get turned on i can just look at a super hot girl..... i dont wanna get turned on by myself...... I mean do gay or lesbian people just live with theirselves? no, they seek partners cuz ppl dont wanna get turned on by theirself (most ppl) Great video
this takes go #(*% yourself to a whole new level, to be crass about it.
Honestly, I find the whole arguement absurd to the point of being comedic. While I realize that there exists those who romanticize or fetishize the idea of transexualism, it's not as glamarous and 'perfect' as they like to think it is.
I'm sure there are autogynephiliacs in the world, but assuming that ALL transexuals are autogynephiliacs is just absurd. That's like saying black people are aroused by getting tans to make their skin darker. Ugh, ugh, ugh, bigots.
Taking it one step further, what is the implied goal of the autogynephile... to exist in a 24/7 state of erotic arousal? Kind of reminds me of the looped orgasm scene from the film Brainstorm. Unfortunately, the fact that hormones kill the male libido puts that argument down, so they scramble to try and create this "romantic love" analogy? So now, not only do I want to screw myself, but also woo myself?
There's a part of the concept of autogynephilia you're missing here, specifically that "romantic" love (in the way that two people bond) is the analogy that they now use to describe the feeling of completion/oneness often experienced during transition.
That being said, I don't agree with the classic theory OR the "gender identity narrative" - human behavior in regards to transexualism ssems to be too complicated to fully explain at the present time.
Thank you so much for this. I have to admit that I really didn't know the difference between being gay/lesbian and being trans. I wrongly assumed that being trans automatically meant that the person way gay or lesbian (thanks to false information perpetuated by the mainstream). It totally makes sense to me that a person can be both transgender and a lesbian and those two things have nothing to do with each other.
I understand the frustration of transgenders and other people in being labeled as being mentally dysfunctional, but I get kind of annoyed when sexual minorities find themselves offended by other people's fetishes, and try to suggest these kinks and fantasies are either degrading to them (like feminists are with forced feminization) or are somehow fabricated against them.
Autogynephilia is a real thing, trust me, you can find it in erotic stories if you look (not that you would want to). I don't consider it a disorder, but personally I don't the fact that innocuous things like fetishes and S&M are considered disorders in the first place. It's just a kink, and does NOT = transgenderism by any means (and anyone who suggests that is ignorant) but some people just like to fantasize without turning it into a life decision, you know?
A fetish exists however the theory of Autogynephelia states that ALL transsexuals who do not identify as straight are motivated by being turned on at the tonight of having a female body. For example if I made a theroy stating that all gray cats were dumb I could not attribute that to some gay cats because the theory stated ALL. Therefore Autogynephelia does not exist...a random fetish does. Do your research. I am tired of people applying this theory to what they THINK it means. It's BS.
oh god this is bull. never heard of it before. LMAO! Wow. people amaze me. honestly, the only people who truly, really, ultimately, understand transgenderism..is a transgendered person. Even some therapists who try to evaluate a transgender dont really "get it".... this thing youre speaking of sounds like some weird fetish to me. being turned on by something, and actually thinking, believing, and feeling..you are, or should have been, another gender..are 2 totally different things.
Now with the modern theories,ie Transgenderism,Gender Spectrum believers(5-7 different sexes)they claim 1:2000 individuals afflicted.I know that these estimates are old,even outdated,but why such an increase in the last 30 years? diagnosed in infancy/childhood now showing up in mature individuals?
Unfortunately when I was first trying to find a label for myself online, some years ago as a guillible teen, the first label I came across was 'autogynephilic' and I thought that was what I was. Finding out that that didn't fit I then thought I had G.I.D. But now I know I'm a trans woman.
That's what those pseudo-medical websites and organisations do. They warp the identities and thoughts of young trans people who haven't found the trans label yet.
Kudos again. A year later, this is still pertinent. I just ran across a paper by Ann Lawrence trying to rebuff the vitriol from the TG community against this theory. Tell anyone that their life is equivalent to a fetish or perversion and they'll want to throw verbal (or literal) bricks at you, too. But she had to write a long paper instead of admitting that the theory is simply wrong--and perverted in itself.
[amandiemoo: constructive (and mature) criticism is usually best, dontcha think?]
wow, thanks for posting a video about this. I needed a topic for my term paper for my abnormal psyc class, and I've decided to argue why i think autogynephilia should not be taken seriously or should even be considered for the next edition of the DSM (the psychiatrist's bible, lol). I think that this 'disorder' is just another attempt to input discrimination into our lives and make it seem justified.
Here's something interesting. I'm a pre-T FTM, and startlingly attracted to my female body. Yes, I am transitioning TO MALE, but still sexually aroused by myself as female. The vast majority of my sexual fantasies involve myself as female-bodied. But I also know that, day-to-day, sex aside, I am a man.
I am deeply uncomfortable being seen as a woman by anyone outside of the bedroom, but.. sex as a man just doesn't interest me. I guess I will end up as a transvestite.
All sorts of things are possible. It would surprise me that there might be some real cases of "autogynophillia". Hell there are people who want healthy legs amputated and much stranger things.
But it would be nonsense to slap this label on every trans woman with any attraction to females.
Autogynephilia, I think, is when people are in love with themselves and want to have sexual relations with themselves but from another persons perspective. Have you seen the very shallow men's men checking out their reflection in any surface? Those are the ones that have autogynephilia. LOL!! Im not sure if Im making any sense but thats my theory, Im good at making up things. X
Blanchard et al. come from a school of psychology which is quickly diminishing in prominence (soft science) as neuroscience improves (hard science). Their hypothesis falls apart in light of a recent breakthrough study by Berglund et al. (2008) using PET scanning that showed m2f trans individuals exhibited sex-atypical hypothalamus activation...i.e. differentiation from control males at the *brain level*. Google this study next time this bullshit is brought up. Positrons have no agenda ;)
I think that the problem with the people who came up with the "theory" of autogynophilia is that they can't see beyond their own sexual responses. They think, like Freud did, that everything in life revolves around sex and sexual response and is linked to it. They are incapable of making the intellectual leap necessary to understand that gender variance is a natural variance on it's own and is not related to sex drive. Gender variance has been with us for all of human history.
The guy who came up with that is a moron. If a transsexual gets turned on by themselves, wouldn't be the same as saying that a lesbian or a gay man get turned on by themselves?
I have a rumor for everyone. I've heard that 90% of all Transgender people are Ambidextrous I'm wondering if anyone else has heard this Because Im Ambidextrous and I was wondering if anyone else is too.
Wow, I had never heard of this theory before until I just watched your video. I found it very educational. I don't dount who I am, I know that I am an FtM and I personally don't even like calling myself that but it's the only way right now to explain it as I am pre-T. I plan on not telling people that I used to be female once I have transitioned. You're right though ... this theory does need to be updated. Sexuality is not related to gender. Nice one for posting. Preston.
You make alot of sence. You are right on when you said that the HRT will decrease the sex drive, therefore killing the whole Autogynaphilia theory. You are very intelligent. As a t-girl myself, I feel that your information is very useful.
"Tranny-er than thou." Priceless! Sad, insecure ppl they are. Well said, Charlotte. And it's incredible the intellectual acrobatics they have to do to keep their "theory" viable. Kinda funny really.
When you have to use a study done by Anne Lawrence to back up your statements then its utter bullshit. Again your misrepresenting what I said. You can't read and frankly this conversation is over.
i am sorry that the coment i posted sounded angry. i am also from the south and have troubel with spelling but that doesnt that im not smart. i read the entire content from dr blanchards web site and i totaly disagree with the idea of autogenafillia .trans issues are medically recognised it is not a case of making lifestyle choices tg ppl do not transition bbc they are in love wt the idea of being female
ppls yall blanchards autowhatever idea disturbes me badly this needs to be stopped before they F-up the book and force their ideas on free thinking ppl. evedently wants to make a name for Himself and put money in His pocket F-that being transsexual hurts very badly-it has nothing to do with sex or erotica-more like a matter of life or death why dont they understand THAT
Just because it disturbs you doesn't mean it is not possible to occur in a MTF trans person's psyche...it does exist but not in every MTF trans person as the poster believe's, all trans people are different...
Oh it is possible, but the theory is very specific. It's like saying that I have a fetish for something and then attributing it to my transsexuality. The two things exist as human qualities but not in the hateful way that they define it.
Wait...Autogynepheila DOES NOT exist. READ the entire theory. It's not I who thinks that it exists in everyone but the fucking theory states it does. I am sick of explaining it to you.
Also the fact that you favorited the user "returninghome" really explains a lot. He is a screwed up individual who I have enogugh background dirt on who failed to take responsibility for his own actions. The studies he refers go against everything that science has learned in the past 30 years.
Frankly you think you understand what the theory states and you don't. Your someone that has a transfriend...big deal. I don't know why you so eagerly defend such a crackpot theory. It's completely nuts. You also hear exactly what you want from my comments and continually take them out of context. Autogynepheila=TSs who are not attracted exclusively to me are attracted to the idea of themselves as a woman. That is the theory. Not SOME...ALL.
The theory states (I am not making this up" that ALL fucking people who are MTF and not attracted exclusively to men are AGP. Read retard. I am sick of your misinformation. You cannot change a theory because you want it to be SOME.
I have been trying to explain it to him forever. He continually misunderstands what I am saying no matter how simply I put it and he doesn't know the first thing about the motives these people have.
I know you take offense at everything anti-trans, and I sort of get it, since I often take offense to anti-gay people, but I try to see where it's coming from. There is no need to insult the transgender community, but that doesn't make it normal, and to a lot of people, anything out of the norm is scary. Sometimes it may even be a natural reaction...
If you could let me know where exactly it states that EVERY mtf trans person who is attracted to someone of the same gender is Autogyephillic, and i will pass that info on to a relevant person.
I just realise something after wathching your video back, please dont think im suggesting if you are a Transsexual in a lesbian reltionship you are automatically autogyephilla.not at all.
Oh yes i agree with that! just because a mtf trans person is attracted to another mtf trans person that dose not mean that person auogyephilia, that is a lesbian relatiobnship, not 'in love with onesself' = Autogyephillia. Autogynephillia does exist, but not simply by existence, no no, At last we agree on something!
No you totally missed the point. Autogynepheila states that EVERY person who transitions that is not exclusively attracted to men therfore is attracted to themselves. Notice to word in caps. The theory is bullshit. Taking Transsexuality and trying to apply a fetish to it does not make up a theory. They have NO correlation and apparently you do nut understand the ramifications of this "theory" and its true purpose.
I just said to you that every trans person attracted to someone of the same gender i not autogyne,that is never what i understood people believed it to be. where does it state that EVERY person who transitions with attraction to same gender is attracted to themselves? No i dont agree with that theory, ive never heard of that..
Bailey's newest study is focused on finding a recessive gay gene that is triggered by a virus thereby making it a DISEASE and you believe these people? Notice how he comes up with the end result first. Before an educuated science has gone into it he comes up with the outcome. They make a TON of money off of parents who want their child to be normal and their treatment is akin to child abuse. I cried the last time an article interviewed a mother and child who as treated in this way.
my understanding are from gender psycologist ,not from a fetishist.Dr Anne lawrence also identifies as Autogyephilla,so even if we take her case alone,it does exist.I dont understand why you think autogynephilla was invented to make people doubt there owm transition,everyone transition for their own reason.If the presence of autogyephilla alone is making someone doubt their transtion,then that person really should question their own transition.
When Zucker and Blanchard purge the next DSM revision to not allow us to change our names or sex because they reclassified us as a fetish and the only treatment available is reperative therapy and damaging repression then I hope your ok with having your rights stripped by supported propaganda. No evidence besides interviews which were misquoted exists and just because Anne Lawrence supports it doesn't make it exist either. I hate these people with a burning type of hate for a reason.
Autogyephillia easyest to explain from how i understood it is almost like an outter body experience,one is in love with ones self as an image of their own ideal woman, and they are sexuality driven to create this image so they are making love with a male they are making love to themselve, yes i know it sounds crazy, most auto patients are infact trans/heterosexual and in lesbian or straight sexual relations. GID issues can be very very complex.
I understand the concept, but its a theory that takes something sexual and completely unrelated to GID and sticks them together under one definition. It doesn't work that way and even Bailey has stated that "It wasn't meant to be taken as a science." All this theory tries to do is destroy the DSM classification so that children can be institutionalized for a philia and be deemed sick, given reparative therapy and mentally shattered.
Don't worry about the people who see you as a sex object, you know your reasons for transition and thats all that matters, right?
So dont discount a form of transsexuality because you are worried people are seeing you that way,or you don't approve,im not pro autogynephillia , but it is very real.
OK you just mentioned 3 categories that don't even EXIST anymore. They haven't been seriously used by clinicians for years for a reason. None are real forms of GID Type 1 and 2 are arbitrary and Autogynephelia DOES NOT EXIST! It is a clear case of a study thats started out like this... "I want X result now lets find a way to portray results in a way that show what I want." It is not real and never will be no matter what people who have a "fetish" may say.
firsty, you seem ilke an intelligent well read person,which leaves me slightly bemused over you comments,..its most certainly not a laughing matter.. nor is it a theory.. it a very real form of transsexuality regardless if you approve &/or if its not what you feel about your own transsexuality..
Please dont tell people what they feel..and they are doing damage because autogynephilia equates sexuality with gender, what do you think the word trans(sex)ual does?
It certainly IS NOT a valid theory. It is the same type of theory that was used in the "reparative therapy" practices using shock treatment and repression to "cure" gay men. It is LAUGHABLE that some would equate gender with sexuality when the very definition of GENDER IDENTITY DISORDER separates itself from SEX. The sex was used before transsexualism was understood and even sex refers to physical state of being and not a preference. A fetish does not equal a TS variance.
This just ruined my day. I always knew there are little minded people out there and those who are uneducated, But to have studys done by people like this is BULLSH!T. Whats next I have no heart or feelings.
Sex, "Want the hell is that", I haven't had any sexual feelings in 6 months, since I started on hrt.
GOD DAMN IT this pisses me off. I am just a person trying to make a life in this fu@k up world and then there are studies like this that make it hard to live my life. SCREW THEM!
I couldn't agree with you more. Those who do these studies and make these effed up judgements need to stop focusing on sex within the GLBTQ community. It's an obsession for them! It's indicative of their own screwed up sense of what is appropriate. When will they learn that it's not about sex! Autogynophillia... Are they serious? I'm attracated to people in general - so does that mean I get turned on by myself? No. I know the comparison isn't the same, but Their assumptions suck ass.
charlotte, you are so right. Being Transgender has nothing to do with Sexual Emotions or being aroused by the thought of being a woman. Thanks for your very informativ vlog.
When I was a child and adolescent I used to cross-dress. It used to turn me on looking at myself. I have always liked a feminine form. I used to fantasize of becoming a woman at will in order to fulfill my, I guess, lesbian tendencies. Since my mid twenties I had started to become interested in the transgendered as well as women and I stopped cross-dressing only because looking at myself stopped turning me on. I do not believe that the transgendered should be equated with pedophiles.
The funny thing is, we all are driven by societies views on the "ideal" representative of our gender.
Society says girls wants to be sexy, sassy and respected, not in that order but for some it is, add to that a transgender body and a sexual appetite enhanced by testostorone you have the makings of a percieved 'phillia' IMO, not to mention ones chronic reminder that they have genitals that don't suit but still operate, and in some, hyperactively. GID effects in many dif ways, there is no ideal.
The three you are talking about, Blanchard Bailey and Mr Tryhard were the only proffessionals that had that idea and from that a few followers came.
For me, I tried so hard to box my feeling into a sexual context, due to this, but it wasn't. In fact it caused me much pain and confusion.
The term 'Transsexual' was penned when they thought it was the same as homosexuality. It is a gender issue not a sexual one hence most like Transgender. It's exactly opposite in my eyes.
I confused thigs Y makes H Y antigen, and early testosteron can make male body, so both are making males. I just wanted to say that this things sometimes mix and as a product we can have male body anf female brain in one. Some theory says that sex brain differentiation can be only influenced by X X genes, so we need female genes for female brain, but that theory is not correct, since brain is not influenced only by direct influences of the genes on brain, but there are also other factors :)
Only frustrated trans minded disorentated people can have something against someone who is transsexual, mentaly retarded, alien or just different, im not I like differences. Buy I go to sleep its 5 a clock on Balcans hehe
when H Y antigen is released by testes or... the premodal gonads are starting to develop and under the influence of antigen male gonads are being developped, as you know we r all programmed to develop female body and in the absence of H Y antigen male can develop into pure female. the same goes for the brain developmet: brain is feminized by the aromatiozation of testosterone into estradiol, in females feminized as placental barrier is protecting brain's fetus from estradiol, so on the absence
.. of early testosterone, we can have female brain into male body. Its maybe not proven but... and by, yes HY antigen is not relesed by testes I don not rememberd what release it, at the end this is not even important, brain is the differentiation
...message to people. Bible says that "there want be a man and woman, Jews and Greeks", in the spirit there r no genders and races. I believe now that you r trans, but it is stil hard to focus on that cause it cofuses me hehe. You should not speak about it much i guess.
And REALLY important tnink, have you at least make a exam to see your genetic make up X Y, X X stuf, and also there is sexual differentiation in the brain althought in many books says that female brain can be only a consequence
Than u shouldn't care about any theory. I really dont konw how u feel but I think that u also dont like this theory. By the way I chacked the theory and it exlicitly says that this theory do not account for Gender Identity Disorded - and that GID is not this. This is called only Trasvesticism and it is comlite different thing. Im repeating: it is said that should not be confused with GID and it is not even similar nor will ever be. I will send u copy of the page if u want.
I shouldn't care about a theory that is completely damaging to the TS community? You know I get pretty pissed when people tell me I should or shouldn't do something or think some way.
I've seen in my life millions of confused idiot and I now bigining to believe that the theory is the product of this "undeveloped race of idiots"
I know all the theories together with all religious doctrines about sex and in general I know this but you r human and I cannot puzle over you, and by the way, you dont look sick or "perversive - pedofilian, maniac" u look nice. I think even if you've done a mistake you should live it like you live, by the way who knows - maybe trans is sending good
And than the women that looked nice and is "lesbian" "trans... shit orwhatever and I thought greath girl that sounded greath at least you can take this second as some kind of support (4 u and your video not 4 desproving or proving any theory) so my distorted belive made me understand better the theory "is in the eye of the beholder" I dont realize how you turned in my had into "trans" hehe fu** the theories
Hi! Honestly, I first wanted to comment on your look, saying you that you look very beutiful, but than I realized that you r "lesbian" and "trans..." or what ever, I like u ure greath :)
funny (girl)? I was confused u look wonderful and I was puzeling whole day to understand what was obvious. I've mentined something interesting while my mind was puzling over "what is she trying to say that she is transsexual or..." I watched the video again and I was seeing a man that transfered into woman?!?!
You're awesome! I first read about autogynephilia 3 or 4 years ago and I remember my hackles going up as I read about the theory, because I knew it was hateful bullshit.
The so called "homosexual transsexual" on the other hand.... Well their is evidence that congenitally and terminally gay males have brains which are a male/female mosaic. The homosexual transsexual is supposed to just have a higher percentage of female parts than a gay male.
Feminizeation of the brain is a hit or miss thing. Why could Blanchard not simply theorize that in a non-homosexual transsexual the sexual orientation parts were not effected. That would be too simple.
I want in on this debate, very interesting so far....
I am an ftm and wondered if this so called autogynephilia would account for why there is 5X as many mtf trans as ftm? I've read about the research done into how Gender Dysphoria occors shortly after conception but they dont have a reason why so many bio males are affected as oppose to bio fems? I am not arguing that any TS doesn't know how he/she feels, i just wondered if this was a theory?
Actually recent studies have shown that the percentages are about equal. Also Autogynephelia does not exist, therefore it can be the reason for nothing.
I this world people get sexually aroused by all sorts and go to extreme lengths to fulfil those desires. I think to say that NO man desires to be a woman on a purely sexual basis, and would change his body to fulfil such desires, would be wrong. I do however believe that this would account for a tiny minority of the transgendered community and should never be used as a "label".
While I agree many fetishes exist, the stated theory is that ALL TS women who are not exclusivly attracted to men fall into this label. If this label was applied to lesbian women in general there would be outrage and I doubt it would be taken seriously. Also, anyone transitioned based on sexual arousal would then not be transgendered as that is not the nature of gender identity. I am just blown away at the amount of people who buy into this taxonomy.
In that case you cannot say it doesn't exsist, just that it doesn't exsist amongst transgendered. It is wrong for them to put every mtf trans lesbian into this catagory. But this autogynephilia covers a much wider range of male desires. I can totally understand, you are saying that in the transgendered society it does not exist, and i agree, but the other definitions seem pretty acurate to me. I am totally on your side when you say they cant be transgendered AND autogynephiliac.
I CAN say it doesn;t exist. For example, you cannot make a theory on a sock fetish and give it a name and application. All it is is a fetish and therefore does not exist. I cannot call water ice even though under
Blanchard's work is not perfect, in his categorisation. But his work has been groundbreaking in many ways. His mistake is in making discrete categorisations whereas it is much more complex and fluid. I can defintely relate to some of the interviews and testimonials from people who identify in this way. I don't think you should shoot down what his work means because you are denying the way that some people do genuinely feel.
gp4nut 2 months ago
@gp4nut When someone approaches a study with a presupposition and frames subjective results as science, their work is trash. He's incredibly damaging and the evidence is that people in the community actually take him seriously.
karmatic1110 2 months ago
@karmatic1110 but i and many others can personally relate to what he says. trashing this is like saying that i am just "confused" as many people have been treated wrongly throughout history. i think his only mistake is being too simplistic in his categorisation.
gp4nut 2 months ago
@gp4nut No. Being able to relate to what he states does not legitimize his research or conclusions. Andrea James has a great series of videos on this somewhere on Youtube. Do fetishes exist? Yes, but to state that lesbian TSes are simply fetishists is crazy. His "scientific method" is worthless and a lot of the people he interviewed were misquoted.
karmatic1110 2 months ago
I've never head of this theory before, and when you were explaining it I was almost ready to shout at the screen! I hate the majority of Human beings, cuz they suck. I'm MTF, and I'm lesbian, so what!?
Anyway great video, you got another subsciber! =D
MillenniumRequiem 4 months ago
Autogynephilia type of sexual response or fantasies are not exclusive to transsexuals. They are quite common among the Gay, Lesbian and Bi sexual communities
A number of my Gay and Lesbian friends have reported to me that when they imagine themselves with a more attractive body they get turned on and have pleasured themselves to it. I makes sense they are sexually attracted to the type of body they would like to have.
Blanchard's interpretation of what these fantasies mean is incorrect.
SecondLifeDesigner 10 months ago
@SecondLifeDesigner Autogynepheia is a very specific definition. One cannot simply apply it to different segments of the population. Furthermore, fetishizing an idea is not the same as a specific BS theory.
karmatic1110 10 months ago
I've heard of such things before, I just know it's a bunch of bull they're trying to use to make us seem like deviants and rationalize shunning us. I would love to see them try to explain someone who's lost all interest in sexual contact yet transitioning, that in and of itself is proof that sexuality and gender transition are independent factors.
CatalystSpark 11 months ago
You make very good points.Personally i don't feel all trans people are strictly sexual creatures as i hear the word transsexual mentioned in the media.Trans people are just like everyone else in terms of variation.Some are cool, some are not. Some are mean spirited and some are not.But by and large in my opinion,trans people are very unique in as much as they can see both sides of the street.That in itself, in my opinion, is the sign of an awakened intellect.
Pennhill007 1 year ago
Gender and sexuality are not essential, nor are they fixed. They are can influence eachother. Your talk of "community" is very tribal. On one hand your character in this video is understandable and on the other it is petty. I'm an advocate or queer theory and appreciate some of the troubles a transgendered person must go through. Only an idiot would reduce all transgendered to autogynephilia. I respect good old healthy fetishism and perversion, its those who denounce it who I am suspicious of.
wxhluyp 1 year ago
@wxhluyp The specific theory I am speaking of (not simply the word) DOES apply itself to ONLY transsexuals that are attracted to women. It also claims to be the SOLE motivator. I am not making the statement that nobody is motivated by sexual desire to transition, but am stating that applying it that way is incorrect. The theory itself is divisive, marginalizes trans-identity as nothing more than sexual, and invalidates a person's experience. That is worth denouncing.
karmatic1110 1 year ago
@karmatic1110 Yes I agree that your interpretation here should be rallied against, but not the interpretation I described previously. We don't want to throw out the baby with the bath-water.
wxhluyp 1 year ago
@wxhluyp Furthermore, what makes a fetish worthy of respect? We as a people, tend to elevate the importance of these things simply because sexual turn ons are something we all (at least the majority) experience. I'm not stating that it's necessary to express disdain, but respect is something that is earned by people and ideas alike. Sexual fetishes simply haven't earned it.
karmatic1110 1 year ago
@karmatic1110 Its a natural innocent, "eccentricity" and accept that among the limitless manifestations there are always gonna be those that disturb me. Ofcourse disdain can be deserved, especially if harmful. Thanks for responding :)
wxhluyp 1 year ago
Karmatic1110, thats not quite right...
To "love of oneself as a woman" isn't exclusive to transexualism and doesn't claim to be its sole motivation. It can be present in all genders and orientations. The production of a fetish can be extremely counterintuitive, remote, contextual and perhaps untraceable (check out "mechaphilia”). Logically it has potential to influence gender dysphoria and surely there must be cases of M2Fs who were exclusively motivated by they're autogynephilia.
wxhluyp 1 year ago
This is a big deal, and I'm glad you're getting it out there...
seriously. ;)
thewildone 1 year ago
I have to go to the clark tomorow for some interviews so the government will pay for my surgery, in 2-5 years is that not lovely to start with(been full time for 3 years already). But the clark is were the idea came from and the questions they ask are designed to support this Autogynephilia, I am expecting questions about my masterbation habbits and what I think about when I am masterbating. I feel sick to my stumic that I have to go there but I do, so wish me luck.
fireflygirl246 1 year ago
Good video. I think theres a lot of older (not all) transsexual people that are not happy and transition did not work out for them...and they go and bash other trans people, and to be honest....i think its very fucking sad. I agree they are hypocrite and also fake fucks! Good video.
Ps: I am a transsexual woman, and did not transiustion for ummm sexual resound....like WTF!!? lol
I think Camh are fucking stupid!
HRTOACTIVIST 1 year ago
you're the prettiest MTF i've seen thus far! do you like boys or girls? :D
BonesDGAF021 1 year ago
I somewhat believe in the theory. Let me explain!
It's a fact that some men find themselves greatly turned on by putting on women's clothing. I know one who wears panties because it "feels sexy" & it turns him on. These men dress up in women's clothes because of the way it makes them feel.
I think this term can be best used in the transvestite community, but in NO way, none what so ever, in our transsexual community. There's a huge difference between a transvestism & a transsexualism.
MrGynoman 1 year ago
@MrGynoman Clothing has nothing to do with this theory...
karmatic1110 1 year ago
I somewhat believe in the theory. Let me explain!
It's a fact that some men find themselves greatly turned on by putting on women's clothing. I know one who wears panties because it "feels sexy" & it turns him on. These men dress up in women's clothes because of the way it makes them feel.
I think this term can be best used in the transvestite community, but in NO way, none what so ever, in our transsexual community. There's a huge difference between a transvestism & a transsexualism.
MrGynoman 1 year ago
I hadn't heard of this theory before, but if a person really sits down and thinks about it, it's a load of nonsense. It's like you said, it confuses gender identity issues with sexual orientation issues which are not the same thing at all, but it becomes easy to confuse small-minded or close-minded people who don't understand. You're very pretty, btw. :)
krazydreamer 1 year ago
interesting topic, i hadn't really thought about it before. away from that, you're really pretty, you should model or something, you're bone structure is perfect.
MsPrittstick 1 year ago
I think you are amazing...you are stunning and with something intelligent coming out of your life.
babyamelie2 2 years ago
holy SHIT your hot!!!
idgaf if you were born a guy, your too pretty!!!!
omglmao12345 2 years ago
I am an autogynephiliac.
Lately I learned of the term, and found relief in the fact that there were other people who feel the same way I do. But now I see that the term has a lot of negative connotations attached to it... I understand that you're against the use of the term to describe certain groups in the transgendered community, but what about it's use for people who are, in fact, autogynephiliacs? Or do you just think the whole thing is a bunch of BS?
Elim777 2 years ago
Watch the Andrea James video in my favorites. Also, having a fetish does not equal the theory of autogynephelia as it is very specific. To accept the theory is to state that ALL non straight identifying trans-women are autogynepheliacs. That is what the theory states. I hate when people use a term thinking they know what it means when it doesn't.
karmatic1110 2 years ago
My thoughts exactly.
Autogynephilia simply means "the love of oneself as a woman".
This so called "theory of autogynephilia" that you're talking about, which is actually called "the Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory", is what says that all non straight identifying trans-women are autogynepheliacs. The term autogynephilia is already established and simply used as an element within the theory.
So, it's that specific theory which you should be referring to, and not just a term used in it.
Elim777 2 years ago
Right, but that theory is too intertwined with the term at this point to separate the two. It's not actually called "the Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence" theory simply because they came up with or are involved with it. The term and the theory are one in the same at this point. Bailey actually coined the term.
karmatic1110 2 years ago
Just to clarifty the term. If you become sexually aroused by the idea of becoming a women that seems to be the way that autogy nephilia is used. Perhaps it has become more of a slang term than the theory that it actually represents. I created this account because I have always found feminization stories like TGtales and Bikast's work to be sexually arousing. Thats how I use autogynephelia. And I feel that besides my slight odd fetish I am quite comfotable being a guy.
MrAutogynephilia 2 years ago
@MrAutogynephilia Using it to represent a fetish is not proper, and perpetuates a terrible theory that seeks to marginalize transgendered people. Prepare to receive a lot of negative responses from TS people on your videos because it's not a term that the community takes lightly. It's equivalent to using the KKK to represent pride in a European ancestry.
karmatic1110 2 years ago
I think most of use use it by the wikepedia definition. "To become aroused by the idea of becoming a women". It's not anything like I am burning transgenders on my front lawn or nothing.
I would like to know also if karmatic has ever been aroused by the idea of becomming a women before you transitioned? or were you just an overly feminine mail who wanted to transition to feel a little better about yourself?
MrAutogynephilia 2 years ago
I would watch the andrea james video you recommended but I can view your favorites karmatic?
MrAutogynephilia 2 years ago
@MrAutogynephilia If you search for Andrea James on Youtube, it's the second one down.
karmatic1110 2 years ago
@MrAutogynephilia Have you done any research into the origins of the definition or the history of the people who came up with it? They are terrible people and are akin to reparation therapists.
Wiki is worthless for information as ANYONE can edit it. Furthermore I was neither aroused nor just a "feminine male."
I will die a happy person when the term stops being used.
karmatic1110 2 years ago
Just a quick question, why do you associate Gender Identity Disorder with autogynephilia?? Curious??
TheDragonfly2000 2 years ago
Me? Did you not listen to the theory? It states that all lesbian identifying transsexuals, as opposed to be suffering from Gender Identity Disorder, are doing so out of a fetish. The idea is associated with GID in that it discredits non hetero-normative sexual identification.
karmatic1110 2 years ago
you are exactly right, spiro destroys drive, so the theory is complete rubbish. I still like girls and I am presently married to one. they are off there rocker
christie1957 2 years ago
How does the autogynephilia theory explain non-hetero sexual transgendered people who have felt this way since before they were old enough to be attracted to anyone sexually?
As someone who has had cross-gender feelings since childhood and is not solely attracted to men, I can assure you I am NOT attracted to myself.
SamanthaBeckett79 2 years ago
Very intelligent educational video.
I'm a straight metro-sexual masculine male with feminine tendencies in touch with his female aura.
Great video.
Unisexual 2 years ago
It seems to me that the term autogynephilia should only apply to non-transgendered males. If you are a "normal" male and the only only way you can get your rocks off is to imagine yourself as a female having sex then this term describes you.
On the other hand it seems totally natural for any transgendered M2F to imagine themselves as the female. It surprises me to no end that there is any debate about this in the TG community.
linsiefem 2 years ago
Perhaps what we need then is a new word that's not associated with this one (hurting the transgender community), but we still have a way to describe this "fetish".
myunknowngender 2 years ago
Right, and Autogynephelia is not it. That would be like calling hallucinations Schizophrenia. If you look in my favorites, I have an Andrea James video there. Watch it.
karmatic1110 2 years ago
While I can finally understand why this topic is so controversial, in the fact that psychologists are trying to take away the legitimacy of transexuality.. It's also not fair for some people to completely disregard this as a real condition. I can't deny that I completely fit this category. I have no desire to transition, and I typically don't crossdress just because I like the clothes.
myunknowngender 2 years ago
This is not a real condition.
karmatic1110 2 years ago
If it's not a real condition, then explain fictionmania and the dozens and dozens of tg caption sites, do people read them for the stories?
myunknowngender 2 years ago
You fail to understand the difference between a fetish and Autogynephelia. It is that distinction that is important when defining a condition. It is also that lack of knowledge that allows the Autogynepheliac MYTH to propagate within the transgendered community. Learn the definition of the word Autogynepheia in the clinical context PRIOR to using it and harming the community as a whole.
karmatic1110 2 years ago
i have own personal proof of it too, i mean when i stopped eating properly so that i would stop growing and developing, i had no sex drive at all it obviously has nothin to do with being trans
kotekotekitty 2 years ago
yeh this anoys me soooo bad if i wanna get turned on i can just look at a super hot girl..... i dont wanna get turned on by myself...... I mean do gay or lesbian people just live with theirselves? no, they seek partners cuz ppl dont wanna get turned on by theirself (most ppl) Great video
kotekotekitty 2 years ago
some crossdressers might do it cause it turns them on...
KGSGoFreak 2 years ago
Hm... there's something distinctly Gloria Estefanish and a little Andie Macowellish about the way you look.
SicTransitGloria1982 2 years ago
this takes go #(*% yourself to a whole new level, to be crass about it.
Honestly, I find the whole arguement absurd to the point of being comedic. While I realize that there exists those who romanticize or fetishize the idea of transexualism, it's not as glamarous and 'perfect' as they like to think it is.
anyways, thanks for sharing your thoughts. ^.^
chinangel 2 years ago
I'm sure there are autogynephiliacs in the world, but assuming that ALL transexuals are autogynephiliacs is just absurd. That's like saying black people are aroused by getting tans to make their skin darker. Ugh, ugh, ugh, bigots.
sasukeistehsuck 2 years ago
Taking it one step further, what is the implied goal of the autogynephile... to exist in a 24/7 state of erotic arousal? Kind of reminds me of the looped orgasm scene from the film Brainstorm. Unfortunately, the fact that hormones kill the male libido puts that argument down, so they scramble to try and create this "romantic love" analogy? So now, not only do I want to screw myself, but also woo myself?
Hahahahahahaha!
Erica2Lives 2 years ago
There's a part of the concept of autogynephilia you're missing here, specifically that "romantic" love (in the way that two people bond) is the analogy that they now use to describe the feeling of completion/oneness often experienced during transition.
That being said, I don't agree with the classic theory OR the "gender identity narrative" - human behavior in regards to transexualism ssems to be too complicated to fully explain at the present time.
Manomanman1 2 years ago
"a man's paraphilic tendency to be sexually aroused by the thought or image of himself as a woman." so sead webers
73r352 2 years ago
It's much more detailed than that in theory.
karmatic1110 2 years ago
this is awesome. im a bisexual transguy. its all about being true to yourself.
JaydenTheJackal 2 years ago 2
stay strong sister!!!
e22378 2 years ago
thank you i love this vid your are so right i defend transgender lesbians gays bis i love everyone god blesse everyone she is so right.
ireallyloveggs 3 years ago
Thank you so much for this. I have to admit that I really didn't know the difference between being gay/lesbian and being trans. I wrongly assumed that being trans automatically meant that the person way gay or lesbian (thanks to false information perpetuated by the mainstream). It totally makes sense to me that a person can be both transgender and a lesbian and those two things have nothing to do with each other.
mamamamelina 3 years ago
I understand the frustration of transgenders and other people in being labeled as being mentally dysfunctional, but I get kind of annoyed when sexual minorities find themselves offended by other people's fetishes, and try to suggest these kinks and fantasies are either degrading to them (like feminists are with forced feminization) or are somehow fabricated against them.
Melchior727 3 years ago
(continued...)
Autogynephilia is a real thing, trust me, you can find it in erotic stories if you look (not that you would want to). I don't consider it a disorder, but personally I don't the fact that innocuous things like fetishes and S&M are considered disorders in the first place. It's just a kink, and does NOT = transgenderism by any means (and anyone who suggests that is ignorant) but some people just like to fantasize without turning it into a life decision, you know?
Peace : )
Melchior727 3 years ago
A fetish exists however the theory of Autogynephelia states that ALL transsexuals who do not identify as straight are motivated by being turned on at the tonight of having a female body. For example if I made a theroy stating that all gray cats were dumb I could not attribute that to some gay cats because the theory stated ALL. Therefore Autogynephelia does not exist...a random fetish does. Do your research. I am tired of people applying this theory to what they THINK it means. It's BS.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
Sorry for the bad grammar.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
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messenger360 3 years ago
Spelling is hard.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
Your accounting around 7:30 in this vid rules!
InterjectingCow 3 years ago
oh god this is bull. never heard of it before. LMAO! Wow. people amaze me. honestly, the only people who truly, really, ultimately, understand transgenderism..is a transgendered person. Even some therapists who try to evaluate a transgender dont really "get it".... this thing youre speaking of sounds like some weird fetish to me. being turned on by something, and actually thinking, believing, and feeling..you are, or should have been, another gender..are 2 totally different things.
mynamekeisha 3 years ago
this Is why we have to have 3 months of therapy to make sure this is not what we have
crissyhowes 3 years ago
It doesn't exist. Fetishes are different than this theory which is BS.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
Some food(numbers) for thought:
Intersex disorders(hermaphroditism,AIS)
possible occurance 1:100,000
"Classic",primary Transsexualism, 1:30,000 births
Now with the modern theories,ie Transgenderism,Gender Spectrum believers(5-7 different sexes)they claim 1:2000 individuals afflicted.I know that these estimates are old,even outdated,but why such an increase in the last 30 years? diagnosed in infancy/childhood now showing up in mature individuals?
PS, I'm IS myself.
xtremenortherner 3 years ago
you remind me of Marishka hargitay ... and she is gorgeous .. have a nice day
tturkeyy 3 years ago
Unfortunately when I was first trying to find a label for myself online, some years ago as a guillible teen, the first label I came across was 'autogynephilic' and I thought that was what I was. Finding out that that didn't fit I then thought I had G.I.D. But now I know I'm a trans woman.
That's what those pseudo-medical websites and organisations do. They warp the identities and thoughts of young trans people who haven't found the trans label yet.
yewberrycastle 3 years ago
Kudos again. A year later, this is still pertinent. I just ran across a paper by Ann Lawrence trying to rebuff the vitriol from the TG community against this theory. Tell anyone that their life is equivalent to a fetish or perversion and they'll want to throw verbal (or literal) bricks at you, too. But she had to write a long paper instead of admitting that the theory is simply wrong--and perverted in itself.
[amandiemoo: constructive (and mature) criticism is usually best, dontcha think?]
miki4midably 3 years ago
you say "um" too much
amandiemoo 3 years ago
...its been a year since this video.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
ridiculous!! it sounds silly to me. im not ruling out that maybe this theory is true for some but for all, definitely not. good video =]
lecifbaby 3 years ago
wow, thanks for posting a video about this. I needed a topic for my term paper for my abnormal psyc class, and I've decided to argue why i think autogynephilia should not be taken seriously or should even be considered for the next edition of the DSM (the psychiatrist's bible, lol). I think that this 'disorder' is just another attempt to input discrimination into our lives and make it seem justified.
alexgmp2007 3 years ago
Here's something interesting. I'm a pre-T FTM, and startlingly attracted to my female body. Yes, I am transitioning TO MALE, but still sexually aroused by myself as female. The vast majority of my sexual fantasies involve myself as female-bodied. But I also know that, day-to-day, sex aside, I am a man.
I am deeply uncomfortable being seen as a woman by anyone outside of the bedroom, but.. sex as a man just doesn't interest me. I guess I will end up as a transvestite.
Who knows.
Kolyatron 3 years ago
All sorts of things are possible. It would surprise me that there might be some real cases of "autogynophillia". Hell there are people who want healthy legs amputated and much stranger things.
But it would be nonsense to slap this label on every trans woman with any attraction to females.
Scanlonam 3 years ago
Autogynephilia, I think, is when people are in love with themselves and want to have sexual relations with themselves but from another persons perspective. Have you seen the very shallow men's men checking out their reflection in any surface? Those are the ones that have autogynephilia. LOL!! Im not sure if Im making any sense but thats my theory, Im good at making up things. X
the0siren0of0night 3 years ago
Blanchard et al. come from a school of psychology which is quickly diminishing in prominence (soft science) as neuroscience improves (hard science). Their hypothesis falls apart in light of a recent breakthrough study by Berglund et al. (2008) using PET scanning that showed m2f trans individuals exhibited sex-atypical hypothalamus activation...i.e. differentiation from control males at the *brain level*. Google this study next time this bullshit is brought up. Positrons have no agenda ;)
phillycurious 3 years ago 2
I think that the problem with the people who came up with the "theory" of autogynophilia is that they can't see beyond their own sexual responses. They think, like Freud did, that everything in life revolves around sex and sexual response and is linked to it. They are incapable of making the intellectual leap necessary to understand that gender variance is a natural variance on it's own and is not related to sex drive. Gender variance has been with us for all of human history.
amberb57 3 years ago
The guy who came up with that is a moron. If a transsexual gets turned on by themselves, wouldn't be the same as saying that a lesbian or a gay man get turned on by themselves?
abutterymidnight 3 years ago
I have a rumor for everyone. I've heard that 90% of all Transgender people are Ambidextrous I'm wondering if anyone else has heard this Because Im Ambidextrous and I was wondering if anyone else is too.
jasmine4800tg 3 years ago
smart stuff...good points.
TGkaren 3 years ago
Seriously.
<3 you darlin. Kick some ass.
-Tori
darkwitchtori 3 years ago
Wow, I had never heard of this theory before until I just watched your video. I found it very educational. I don't dount who I am, I know that I am an FtM and I personally don't even like calling myself that but it's the only way right now to explain it as I am pre-T. I plan on not telling people that I used to be female once I have transitioned. You're right though ... this theory does need to be updated. Sexuality is not related to gender. Nice one for posting. Preston.
PrestonCurtis08 3 years ago
'Sexuality is not related to gender.'
Could not agree more!
alexgmp2007 3 years ago
I hate this theory aswell
rainbowcypher 3 years ago
You make alot of sence. You are right on when you said that the HRT will decrease the sex drive, therefore killing the whole Autogynaphilia theory. You are very intelligent. As a t-girl myself, I feel that your information is very useful.
nubiantgirl 3 years ago
"Tranny-er than thou." Priceless! Sad, insecure ppl they are. Well said, Charlotte. And it's incredible the intellectual acrobatics they have to do to keep their "theory" viable. Kinda funny really.
kyndra1966 3 years ago 2
When you have to use a study done by Anne Lawrence to back up your statements then its utter bullshit. Again your misrepresenting what I said. You can't read and frankly this conversation is over.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
you're trans? If you are, then you should be happy to know that you look completely like a girl. (Sound it too. Where's the adams apple? Congrats)
GLBTQcommunity 3 years ago
Thanks hun :)
karmatic1110 3 years ago
i am sorry that the coment i posted sounded angry. i am also from the south and have troubel with spelling but that doesnt that im not smart. i read the entire content from dr blanchards web site and i totaly disagree with the idea of autogenafillia .trans issues are medically recognised it is not a case of making lifestyle choices tg ppl do not transition bbc they are in love wt the idea of being female
iownastrat2 3 years ago
ppls yall blanchards autowhatever idea disturbes me badly this needs to be stopped before they F-up the book and force their ideas on free thinking ppl. evedently wants to make a name for Himself and put money in His pocket F-that being transsexual hurts very badly-it has nothing to do with sex or erotica-more like a matter of life or death why dont they understand THAT
iownastrat2 3 years ago
Just because it disturbs you doesn't mean it is not possible to occur in a MTF trans person's psyche...it does exist but not in every MTF trans person as the poster believe's, all trans people are different...
fishybuiziness 3 years ago
Oh it is possible, but the theory is very specific. It's like saying that I have a fetish for something and then attributing it to my transsexuality. The two things exist as human qualities but not in the hateful way that they define it.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
Wait...Autogynepheila DOES NOT exist. READ the entire theory. It's not I who thinks that it exists in everyone but the fucking theory states it does. I am sick of explaining it to you.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
Also the fact that you favorited the user "returninghome" really explains a lot. He is a screwed up individual who I have enogugh background dirt on who failed to take responsibility for his own actions. The studies he refers go against everything that science has learned in the past 30 years.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
Frankly you think you understand what the theory states and you don't. Your someone that has a transfriend...big deal. I don't know why you so eagerly defend such a crackpot theory. It's completely nuts. You also hear exactly what you want from my comments and continually take them out of context. Autogynepheila=TSs who are not attracted exclusively to me are attracted to the idea of themselves as a woman. That is the theory. Not SOME...ALL.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
I meant to say men.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
The theory states (I am not making this up" that ALL fucking people who are MTF and not attracted exclusively to men are AGP. Read retard. I am sick of your misinformation. You cannot change a theory because you want it to be SOME.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
Woah. You just....posted...a million responses. And were talking to yourself. I think that's rather strange :/
I don't believe he meant to insult you, just to prove a point.
dannieyankee 3 years ago
I have been trying to explain it to him forever. He continually misunderstands what I am saying no matter how simply I put it and he doesn't know the first thing about the motives these people have.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
I know you take offense at everything anti-trans, and I sort of get it, since I often take offense to anti-gay people, but I try to see where it's coming from. There is no need to insult the transgender community, but that doesn't make it normal, and to a lot of people, anything out of the norm is scary. Sometimes it may even be a natural reaction...
dannieyankee 3 years ago
If you could let me know where exactly it states that EVERY mtf trans person who is attracted to someone of the same gender is Autogyephillic, and i will pass that info on to a relevant person.
Thank you.
fishybuiziness 3 years ago
autogynephilia.o rg/origins.htm
In his own words. Also please look up the Clarke Institute in Toronto and read a bit more on how messed up these "clinicians" really are.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
I just realise something after wathching your video back, please dont think im suggesting if you are a Transsexual in a lesbian reltionship you are automatically autogyephilla.not at all.
fishybuiziness 3 years ago
Thats the theory...So how credible is it really if simply by existence I do not follow under the prescribed rules?
karmatic1110 3 years ago
Oh yes i agree with that! just because a mtf trans person is attracted to another mtf trans person that dose not mean that person auogyephilia, that is a lesbian relatiobnship, not 'in love with onesself' = Autogyephillia. Autogynephillia does exist, but not simply by existence, no no, At last we agree on something!
fishybuiziness 3 years ago
No you totally missed the point. Autogynepheila states that EVERY person who transitions that is not exclusively attracted to men therfore is attracted to themselves. Notice to word in caps. The theory is bullshit. Taking Transsexuality and trying to apply a fetish to it does not make up a theory. They have NO correlation and apparently you do nut understand the ramifications of this "theory" and its true purpose.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
I just said to you that every trans person attracted to someone of the same gender i not autogyne,that is never what i understood people believed it to be. where does it state that EVERY person who transitions with attraction to same gender is attracted to themselves? No i dont agree with that theory, ive never heard of that..
fishybuiziness 3 years ago
Well then you don't know the theory very well.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
ok lol
fishybuiziness 3 years ago
Bailey's newest study is focused on finding a recessive gay gene that is triggered by a virus thereby making it a DISEASE and you believe these people? Notice how he comes up with the end result first. Before an educuated science has gone into it he comes up with the outcome. They make a TON of money off of parents who want their child to be normal and their treatment is akin to child abuse. I cried the last time an article interviewed a mother and child who as treated in this way.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
It does exist!Ok so we agree to disagree lol
my understanding are from gender psycologist ,not from a fetishist.Dr Anne lawrence also identifies as Autogyephilla,so even if we take her case alone,it does exist.I dont understand why you think autogynephilla was invented to make people doubt there owm transition,everyone transition for their own reason.If the presence of autogyephilla alone is making someone doubt their transtion,then that person really should question their own transition.
fishybuiziness 3 years ago
When Zucker and Blanchard purge the next DSM revision to not allow us to change our names or sex because they reclassified us as a fetish and the only treatment available is reperative therapy and damaging repression then I hope your ok with having your rights stripped by supported propaganda. No evidence besides interviews which were misquoted exists and just because Anne Lawrence supports it doesn't make it exist either. I hate these people with a burning type of hate for a reason.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
Autogyephillia easyest to explain from how i understood it is almost like an outter body experience,one is in love with ones self as an image of their own ideal woman, and they are sexuality driven to create this image so they are making love with a male they are making love to themselve, yes i know it sounds crazy, most auto patients are infact trans/heterosexual and in lesbian or straight sexual relations. GID issues can be very very complex.
fishybuiziness 3 years ago
I understand the concept, but its a theory that takes something sexual and completely unrelated to GID and sticks them together under one definition. It doesn't work that way and even Bailey has stated that "It wasn't meant to be taken as a science." All this theory tries to do is destroy the DSM classification so that children can be institutionalized for a philia and be deemed sick, given reparative therapy and mentally shattered.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
Autogyephillia, & primary and secondary trans,&
homophil, are all very real forms of GID.
Don't worry about the people who see you as a sex object, you know your reasons for transition and thats all that matters, right?
So dont discount a form of transsexuality because you are worried people are seeing you that way,or you don't approve,im not pro autogynephillia , but it is very real.
fishybuiziness 3 years ago
OK you just mentioned 3 categories that don't even EXIST anymore. They haven't been seriously used by clinicians for years for a reason. None are real forms of GID Type 1 and 2 are arbitrary and Autogynephelia DOES NOT EXIST! It is a clear case of a study thats started out like this... "I want X result now lets find a way to portray results in a way that show what I want." It is not real and never will be no matter what people who have a "fetish" may say.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
firsty, you seem ilke an intelligent well read person,which leaves me slightly bemused over you comments,..its most certainly not a laughing matter.. nor is it a theory.. it a very real form of transsexuality regardless if you approve &/or if its not what you feel about your own transsexuality..
Please dont tell people what they feel..and they are doing damage because autogynephilia equates sexuality with gender, what do you think the word trans(sex)ual does?
fishybuiziness 3 years ago
It certainly IS NOT a valid theory. It is the same type of theory that was used in the "reparative therapy" practices using shock treatment and repression to "cure" gay men. It is LAUGHABLE that some would equate gender with sexuality when the very definition of GENDER IDENTITY DISORDER separates itself from SEX. The sex was used before transsexualism was understood and even sex refers to physical state of being and not a preference. A fetish does not equal a TS variance.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
This just ruined my day. I always knew there are little minded people out there and those who are uneducated, But to have studys done by people like this is BULLSH!T. Whats next I have no heart or feelings.
Sex, "Want the hell is that", I haven't had any sexual feelings in 6 months, since I started on hrt.
GOD DAMN IT this pisses me off. I am just a person trying to make a life in this fu@k up world and then there are studies like this that make it hard to live my life. SCREW THEM!
staciefallan 3 years ago
I couldn't agree with you more. Those who do these studies and make these effed up judgements need to stop focusing on sex within the GLBTQ community. It's an obsession for them! It's indicative of their own screwed up sense of what is appropriate. When will they learn that it's not about sex! Autogynophillia... Are they serious? I'm attracated to people in general - so does that mean I get turned on by myself? No. I know the comparison isn't the same, but Their assumptions suck ass.
efcten15 3 years ago
omg are you a transsexual? cos u totally look like a natural women
mattvella91hotmail 3 years ago
I just read Blanchards theory and got to say from my own perspectiv that it is absolutly wrong.
Jennylovemiller 3 years ago
The sad thing is that he is on the committee who are revising the DSM for 2012 :/
karmatic1110 3 years ago
charlotte, you are so right. Being Transgender has nothing to do with Sexual Emotions or being aroused by the thought of being a woman. Thanks for your very informativ vlog.
Jennylovemiller 3 years ago
Never mind what they call that - you're you and you are beautiful for who you are.
marcluc1988 3 years ago
When I was a child and adolescent I used to cross-dress. It used to turn me on looking at myself. I have always liked a feminine form. I used to fantasize of becoming a woman at will in order to fulfill my, I guess, lesbian tendencies. Since my mid twenties I had started to become interested in the transgendered as well as women and I stopped cross-dressing only because looking at myself stopped turning me on. I do not believe that the transgendered should be equated with pedophiles.
bloodandbones9 3 years ago
If a MTF transgender person falls in love with another MTF transgender person would would that be considered Autogynephilia?
beyondwow714 3 years ago
No because AGP has to do with being being turned on by the idea of yourself as a woman.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
The funny thing is, we all are driven by societies views on the "ideal" representative of our gender.
Society says girls wants to be sexy, sassy and respected, not in that order but for some it is, add to that a transgender body and a sexual appetite enhanced by testostorone you have the makings of a percieved 'phillia' IMO, not to mention ones chronic reminder that they have genitals that don't suit but still operate, and in some, hyperactively. GID effects in many dif ways, there is no ideal.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
The three you are talking about, Blanchard Bailey and Mr Tryhard were the only proffessionals that had that idea and from that a few followers came.
For me, I tried so hard to box my feeling into a sexual context, due to this, but it wasn't. In fact it caused me much pain and confusion.
The term 'Transsexual' was penned when they thought it was the same as homosexuality. It is a gender issue not a sexual one hence most like Transgender. It's exactly opposite in my eyes.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
I only wish that I could be attracted to myself! Sadly, it is not the case, I must rely on others for stimulation!
Rock on with your bad self!
freetaught 3 years ago
I have no opinion.
totallyunconvinced 4 years ago
You have a beautiful voice. That might be a weird comment, but your speaking voice is very lovely. Nice eyebrows, too.
miharakamikazi 4 years ago
I was sleapy and im still in the process of learning the things :)
UrosPetrovicPSY 4 years ago
I confused thigs Y makes H Y antigen, and early testosteron can make male body, so both are making males. I just wanted to say that this things sometimes mix and as a product we can have male body anf female brain in one. Some theory says that sex brain differentiation can be only influenced by X X genes, so we need female genes for female brain, but that theory is not correct, since brain is not influenced only by direct influences of the genes on brain, but there are also other factors :)
UrosPetrovicPSY 4 years ago
Only frustrated trans minded disorentated people can have something against someone who is transsexual, mentaly retarded, alien or just different, im not I like differences. Buy I go to sleep its 5 a clock on Balcans hehe
UrosPetrovicPSY 4 years ago
when H Y antigen is released by testes or... the premodal gonads are starting to develop and under the influence of antigen male gonads are being developped, as you know we r all programmed to develop female body and in the absence of H Y antigen male can develop into pure female. the same goes for the brain developmet: brain is feminized by the aromatiozation of testosterone into estradiol, in females feminized as placental barrier is protecting brain's fetus from estradiol, so on the absence
UrosPetrovicPSY 4 years ago
.. of early testosterone, we can have female brain into male body. Its maybe not proven but... and by, yes HY antigen is not relesed by testes I don not rememberd what release it, at the end this is not even important, brain is the differentiation
UrosPetrovicPSY 4 years ago
"Hey it you", I just send you a message, with this title, hehe i could not make, text commet something was stucked.
UrosPetrovicPSY 4 years ago
...message to people. Bible says that "there want be a man and woman, Jews and Greeks", in the spirit there r no genders and races. I believe now that you r trans, but it is stil hard to focus on that cause it cofuses me hehe. You should not speak about it much i guess.
And REALLY important tnink, have you at least make a exam to see your genetic make up X Y, X X stuf, and also there is sexual differentiation in the brain althought in many books says that female brain can be only a consequence
UrosPetrovicPSY 4 years ago
I really don't care what geneic makeup I have. I know how I feel and that is all that matters.
karmatic1110 4 years ago
AMEN!!
astralshepherd 4 years ago
Than u shouldn't care about any theory. I really dont konw how u feel but I think that u also dont like this theory. By the way I chacked the theory and it exlicitly says that this theory do not account for Gender Identity Disorded - and that GID is not this. This is called only Trasvesticism and it is comlite different thing. Im repeating: it is said that should not be confused with GID and it is not even similar nor will ever be. I will send u copy of the page if u want.
UrosPetrovicPSY 3 years ago
I shouldn't care about a theory that is completely damaging to the TS community? You know I get pretty pissed when people tell me I should or shouldn't do something or think some way.
karmatic1110 3 years ago
Ok u dont have to...
UrosPetrovicPSY 3 years ago
I've seen in my life millions of confused idiot and I now bigining to believe that the theory is the product of this "undeveloped race of idiots"
I know all the theories together with all religious doctrines about sex and in general I know this but you r human and I cannot puzle over you, and by the way, you dont look sick or "perversive - pedofilian, maniac" u look nice. I think even if you've done a mistake you should live it like you live, by the way who knows - maybe trans is sending good
UrosPetrovicPSY 4 years ago
And than the women that looked nice and is "lesbian" "trans... shit orwhatever and I thought greath girl that sounded greath at least you can take this second as some kind of support (4 u and your video not 4 desproving or proving any theory) so my distorted belive made me understand better the theory "is in the eye of the beholder" I dont realize how you turned in my had into "trans" hehe fu** the theories
UrosPetrovicPSY 4 years ago
Hi! Honestly, I first wanted to comment on your look, saying you that you look very beutiful, but than I realized that you r "lesbian" and "trans..." or what ever, I like u ure greath :)
funny (girl)? I was confused u look wonderful and I was puzeling whole day to understand what was obvious. I've mentined something interesting while my mind was puzling over "what is she trying to say that she is transsexual or..." I watched the video again and I was seeing a man that transfered into woman?!?!
UrosPetrovicPSY 4 years ago
I never was a "man and I am correcting a birth defect.
karmatic1110 4 years ago
You're awesome! I first read about autogynephilia 3 or 4 years ago and I remember my hackles going up as I read about the theory, because I knew it was hateful bullshit.
alice9w9 4 years ago
The so called "homosexual transsexual" on the other hand.... Well their is evidence that congenitally and terminally gay males have brains which are a male/female mosaic. The homosexual transsexual is supposed to just have a higher percentage of female parts than a gay male.
Feminizeation of the brain is a hit or miss thing. Why could Blanchard not simply theorize that in a non-homosexual transsexual the sexual orientation parts were not effected. That would be too simple.
BrendaQG 4 years ago
I want in on this debate, very interesting so far....
I am an ftm and wondered if this so called autogynephilia would account for why there is 5X as many mtf trans as ftm? I've read about the research done into how Gender Dysphoria occors shortly after conception but they dont have a reason why so many bio males are affected as oppose to bio fems? I am not arguing that any TS doesn't know how he/she feels, i just wondered if this was a theory?
Becstar249 4 years ago
Actually recent studies have shown that the percentages are about equal. Also Autogynephelia does not exist, therefore it can be the reason for nothing.
Charlotte
karmatic1110 4 years ago
I this world people get sexually aroused by all sorts and go to extreme lengths to fulfil those desires. I think to say that NO man desires to be a woman on a purely sexual basis, and would change his body to fulfil such desires, would be wrong. I do however believe that this would account for a tiny minority of the transgendered community and should never be used as a "label".
Becstar249 4 years ago
While I agree many fetishes exist, the stated theory is that ALL TS women who are not exclusivly attracted to men fall into this label. If this label was applied to lesbian women in general there would be outrage and I doubt it would be taken seriously. Also, anyone transitioned based on sexual arousal would then not be transgendered as that is not the nature of gender identity. I am just blown away at the amount of people who buy into this taxonomy.
Charlotte
karmatic1110 4 years ago
In that case you cannot say it doesn't exsist, just that it doesn't exsist amongst transgendered. It is wrong for them to put every mtf trans lesbian into this catagory. But this autogynephilia covers a much wider range of male desires. I can totally understand, you are saying that in the transgendered society it does not exist, and i agree, but the other definitions seem pretty acurate to me. I am totally on your side when you say they cant be transgendered AND autogynephiliac.
Becstar249 4 years ago
I CAN say it doesn;t exist. For example, you cannot make a theory on a sock fetish and give it a name and application. All it is is a fetish and therefore does not exist. I cannot call water ice even though under