Please write letters, with pens and paper to your MEPs, MPs and PM Cameron to get us out of this utter mess. Don't bother just blogging, twittering or emailing, write a letter a week. The EU is responsible for most of the poorly constructed one size fits all regulations the UK follows unswervingly (unlike the others). Its sucking out our money. The grants they give out comes from us originally with them taking a 30% cut , please everyone WAKE UP !
"Freedom for the rich, not for the poor, no solidarity, just private egoistic profit? Is that your vision of a society you fucking moron?" you
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions" --Adolf Hitler
It's not a double standard. Policy isn't as easy as you think, there are hundreds of different decisions between european countries. We have successfull and less successfull countries in Europe and the reason for all problems in Europe haven't their source in socialist policy. It's fact, you just have to look which gov. a country had while the debt crisis. Most of them were not socialist governed countries.
this part makes no sense... what exactly hasn't the socialist party gotten that they wanted? (don't hand me fluff talk like "we haven't gotten public funded rainbows and lollipops.) what's the actual legislation or policy that the EU hasn't stamped into law (usually undemocratically)? There's more commonality between Agriculture, Civil, Finance, and industry than you'd ever admit, most of which is failing, most of which your party has pushed through.
It doesn't matter what facist Hitler SAID, he was a LIAR like Bush. But let us look at the REALITY: (Adolf Hitler) eugenic programs "survival of the fittest" = cutting welfare (Ron Paul) and NO solidarity
This is a doosey... okay, You said, it doesn't matter what the swiss do so long as they follow the law... which i've advocated for, and ron paul.. but three comments ago you said private enterprises shouldn't exist and they should have more "democratic" bureaucrats.. do you ever get tired of just talking out of your ass?
By several of your definitions Socialist Democrats are fascist. You don't even know what fascism means though... and you say Americans are ignorant.
it DOESN'T MATTER what you said.... read the ACTUAL definition of what fascism is, not what you think it is. who're you to determine what a term means? I guess, since you think you should have control of the world (as you just admitted), you probably think you can rewrite the definition... you've already rewritten enough history, why not the dictionary, right?
Facism is the rule of a undemocratic party, that's the short definition. Please don't nerve me with history, i made my high school diploma in history.
Look up the definition yourself... Fascist ideology also encourages the complete and total glorification of the state... which you seem to be all in favor of. You haven't mentioned the state as anything aside from a godlike entity with no rules and no flaws...
Fascism: "Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. They advocate the creation of a single-party state."
Nothing to do with democratic voted gov. especially not with international parties like the social democrats.
An inherent aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigisme, meaning an economy where the government exerts strong directive influence, and effectively controls production and allocation of resources.
Or as you've said, having a hand in all private industry....
Yes, but there is a different between a DEMOCRATIC gov. which has its hand in the economy or a UNDEMOCRATIC gov. like the Nazis. You say that democracy=fascism. That makes no sense!
you're the one replaces the word "control' with "democracy"... and considering the lack of democracy in the EU... how can you actually advocate for anything democratic?
emocracy is a political form of government in which governing power is derived from the people, either by direct referendum (direct democracy) or by means of elected representatives of the people (representative democracy)
you've turned the governing aspect into control of everything... marxism through representative democracy, where commissions/bureacracies who aren't voted for get control...
democratic control about some parts of the society isn't marxism, also we aren't marxist but social democrats. Please learn history and what social democracy is before you talk about it.
I'm just citing your own words and definitions. LOL.... maybe you should pick them better?
there are some aspects of social democracy you aren't talking about out of ignorance or your just avoiding them. like the gradualism effect. where private enterprise is gradually brought into government control over time. But then you talk about markets
gradualism is the creed of parties espousing social democracy, and of all socialist and communist parties.. run out of room but you get the idea
and if you want to bring the "democracy" you're speaking about to the world stage internationally... there won't be any democracy for anyone... with MEP's with such great quotes as "We must not bow to populism"
Please let us live our life here in Europe. If you want to have private military ok, but let us have our public services, which garantuees every single children the same opportunity. We believe in freedom through solidarity and justice and not through maximum freedom for a few=less freedom of the weakest, through libertarianism.
what private military? like.. a company hiring security guards? lol...
You can have all the public services you want for all the solidarity and equality and justice your hearts desire.. just don't riot in the street and play the blame game when it goes foul.... oh, too late. If only they had more government..
anarchists don't believe in government.. rioting for government programs isn't rioting for a non-state... you can blame them all you want but the majority of france right now isn't anarchist.
Who's contracted Blackwater? is it the government?
Socialism in europe is btw not what americans usually think it is. Americans make socialism and communism a synonym. They are not communists, they are social democrats, which supports the free market, they just want to regulate it.
I really got that vibe about supporting free markets when he was talking about barroso's maoist/trotskyist past, and how he's a "real lefty"... You know you can regulate a business into failure then nationalize it. "Capture through regulation" ... Mussolini did that. Regardless, the economic fundamentals of the EU are so weak all the "Socialist-Free Market" regulations can't save it...
@Bishop153@Bishop153 The left-wing is virtually losing every election in Europe. Even in strongholds like Sweden. And the policies done by right-wing or moderate governments don´t look very "obamite": cut taxes for business (specially big and medium business since the corporate tax is flat), cut spending, end stimulus programs, budget deficit under control, deregulate the labor market... And quite a few are introducing more private competition in public services.
The german socialists are called social democrats and they fought against the Nazis and had voted against Hitlers Enabling Act of 1933 so shut up if you don't know what you are talking about. Learn what the difference is between left and right socialists!!!
Left wing socialists had ruled our countries several times. They were the successfullest governments of all times.Socialism doesn't mean just Soviet Union and Vietnam. Have you ever heard about Social Democracy? Not? So shut up!
You americans are so stupid. Don't know something about policy. First you should read the wikipedia articles about Market Socialism, Social Market Economy and Social Democracy before you judge all socialists idiot!
yeah, americans are stupid... you didn't give me an example of what you were saying... but let's take a look at your Socialist Union Comrade Schultze is talking about and compare it to the Socialist Unions of the past...
Lisbon went through with 2/3 of the states that were ALLOWED votes saying no to it... so much for Democracy
the European Arrest Warrant shouldn't be in place.
More western European nations are becoming police states, mainly, but not limitted to, the U.K.
Jew-hating is back, only this time it's "Anti-Zionism" which is rampant and mainly spread by ultra leftist professors and, in some cases, MEP's themselves.
Roma Gypsies? yeah... once again it's not good to be a Jew or Gypsy.
Your CAP is a failure, Your industrial policy is a failure, your trade agreements are failures, Your economic plans are failure. just like the Soviet Union.
And when they fail, and austerity has to be taken, lunatics march demanding these shysters take more power
4. ohhh, right... even though schultz is commending him in the video...
5. yeah, the E.U. produces less goods than north america, and canada is a small population and the U.S. actively exports industry...
6. no, governments issue trade policy.. again, stop the strawman bullshit about what socialism is or isn't... you make it this nebulous fantasy land crap. stop defining your shit by what it ISN'T... especially when you're wrong.
I didn't say U.S. I said North America. and I never said that the U.S. had a sustainable economy. That's a strawman that you've been going on about. You're pretending that Government policy isn't government policy but private enterprise... which makes no sense... The only sustainable export nation in the E.U. is Germany, which is why they're picking up the bill for everyone. you can boast of the economies of micro nations involved in commodities and global banking and what not all you want.
6. it was socialist when you thought it was working... now that it's failing it's neoliberal... it's government authoritarianism, which Socialism is also.. you may say "well it's not being done right" but the fact is, the only time it was ever done right was before you got your hands on it.
7. again.. strawman.. I never said the U.S. was a successful free economic nation.
6. No, most parts of Europe have no problems, because of fomer social democracy policy. Now everything is getting worse, because of the neoliberals. Everything is privatized, welfare cuts, etc, but even because of this we are more successfull than the US. Greece and Ireland were never social democratic states. Stop blaming socialism for the debt crisis, that's ridiculous!
Everything is privatized? You're debt to GDP is astronomical! you mean if your Government owned and operated even more services it would be in better shape? that makes no sense! What's ridiculous is that you're trying to blame what little private sector you have for your problems... a private sector that's operating under super-regulators from every bureaucracy, national/international, some of which pay for all your Social Justice, and you want more from them.
furthermore. Schultz is full of shit in this video anyway. He's going to blame Bush's terrible Interventionist policies (Government policies you're calling Capitalism) on the European Crisis? As if the Eu and it's member states aren't accountable for their own actions? E.U. is the largest trading entity on the planet with 3 central banks in it's borders. It's Bush's fault that the heavily populated EU states debt to GDP and Consumption vs production (save germany) are aweful?
And now you want to save Germany? Germany is one of the biggest welfare states in the world. Nearly 33.2% of our GDP is for welfare. Greece spends 28.4%, Ireland 18.5. The total taxation rate is 38% in Germany and 30% in Greece and Ireland. AND YOU REALLY WANT TO SAY ME THAT BIG GOVERNMENT IS THE REASON FOR THE CURRENT DEBT CRISIS??????????? LOL!!!!!!!
I said "Save Germany" meaning "Except for Germany" settle down with the punctuation. Yes, governments are the reason for the debt crisis... who do you think is in debt? The shoe store down the street? These are SOVEREIGN debts. You study economics and you don't even know how National debts work. precious. Your nations economy goes beyond tax/welfare. You also have to consider consumption/production, which most EU states are lacking production.
ahh yes, scandanavia... 4 nations with a combined population less than california, heavily involved in nationalized oil/commodities, with state run multi-national corporations (i thought those were bad? I guess they're okay when a government owns it)
You're a retard. Your nations are going through austerity because of government debt, if you can't figure that out or don't know that.... you shouldn't be talking.
Scandinavia (biggest WELFARE states in the world) isn't going through austerity, idiot! Just the countries with low taxation, like Greece or Ireland, idiot!
THE DEBT IS NOT HUGE!!! The public deficit of the EU is -6,3%, the US -11% idiot! Norway has ++++9,7% idiot! The debt of Germany, France and Italy is lower than the US one idiot!
for the.. however many times.. I never advocated for U.S. economic policy. comparing it to U.S. means absolutely nothing... you're disingenuous about your austerity nations... not just greece and ireland. France (watch the news lately?) U.K. Spain, Italy... pretty much every EU G20 nation.. the only nation advocating for more government involvement at the G20 is the U.S. Just because the U.S. is on a suicidal path of GOVERNMENT involvement doesn't vilify you.
France is ruled by CONSERVATIVES, who believe also in LESS GOV. like your fucking republicans. They ruin their state to say that it doesn't work, but it works, the states with the biggest welfare state are the states with the lowest debt. Italy (-5%)and France (-7%) have a lower deficit than the US (-11%). Spain also 11%.
When you don't talk about the USA, where you are talking about? Which country? Phantasyland?
and going back to your earlier statements about Neoliberalism being capitalist and the lisbon treaty being Neoliberal... Martin Schultz (European Socialist) and Danny Cohen-Benditt were the ones who advocated for it.. but it's not Socialist, it's neoliberal.. just like the inflated entitlements that are bankrupting member states are the result of your private sector... gimme a break
Are you kidding me? Really? Because you want to tell me, that big gov. is a problem while the facts are speaking another language. Do you really want to tell me that big gov. is a problem???? Please read a book and be quit!!!!!
the facts are speaking another language? oh okay... you're right, Governments can't be blamed for their own debts (lol) they can do whatever they want and if it fails it's the electorates fault for not paying them enough money...
You're only argument is that more taxation and welfare = better living standard. every failed instance of it (and there's plenty) you push off on private sector production...
and yet, still... The very fact that you try to pawn off the failures of Euro-Socialism as NeoLiberalsm, and try to vindicate already existing and failing Socialism in your own member states is laughable at best. All the states that your applauding for their Socialist policies are going through Austerity. You may want to go to the G20 and tell the leaders there that there's no Socialism in Europe and that they should enact more government control/regulation/taxation. especially in U.K./France.
It doesn't matter what labels you pin your failures on. You're going through austerity because of your government actions... your socialist failures (welfare) are being cut back because they can't be sustained...
You're nations debt/GDP is huge (gov debt), Government benefits/entitlements are being cut across the board. spending is going down... and you're saying that's all neoliberal capitalism.. gimme a break
All numbers are relative idiot, the size of a country doesn't matter idiot!
California is bankrupt, because of low taxation.
You think less gov. is the solution, but with taxes how will you run the schools, how will you bring healthcare to the people, a infrastructure, a military? You don't know what you are talking about, just repeat what fucking reps and tea party idiots say idiot. Think yourself and get a brain and than say me again that we don't a democratic STRONG gov.
you really need to study more and aspire less... high taxation = low productivity which leads to less future taxes.. just saying "Raise taxes" is the response a second grader would give.
There's more to economies than just taxes/revenue, Commie. California's economic fundamentals are just as weak as most EU states... you can't tax production you don't have. When all the money goes offshore, you're gonna go broke. then no taxes and no services and debt.
What brings productivity when just 1% of the richest americans have 20% of your wealth? 2% have 40% etc Thousands of stats show us that an american worker has a more worse life than a european.
Not all the money goes offshore? That's ridiculous, some but not all. Sweden has one of the highest taxation in the world, but Volvo CEO don't want to live in another country, because his taxex brings security and a atmosphere of peace, which he wouldn't have in America.
the size of the country DOES matter... Norway has 4.7 million people. say a country like the U.S. wanted to mirror it's economic policy. It would need to supply roughly 80 times the Oil Norway does and own so many multi-national, state run corperations it would have to exploit half the world's impoverished labour... Unlike norway who can get away with just doing it in Libya, Bengladesh and so on...
Norway has 3x more taxes than the US. I don't say that you have to increase your taxes like Norway, but a little bit so that you can bring every american right healthcare.
You are against everything that comes from your gov. you think regulation and welfare attacks your freedom? If you have no regulation then you have no freedom, because rules schould protect freedom. Freedom means not to do everything you want to do. Freedom means ends there where the freedom from another human begins. Here we need regulations, laws and a welfare state which gives every child the same opportunity to get rich. Tea party will give your country the rest.
you can talk about what rules SHOULD do, but put into practice it's a different story... Name ONE section of any western nation that isn't regulated, operated by, operating under, Taxed, regulated, funded, or steered by the Government... just one. Whatcha got? a Lemonade stand maybe? but that's not enough. You've already labeled it "NeoLiberalism" and said MORE government is needed.
I know you wont respond to this because you can't name one
For example there is no regulation which garantuees every american healthcare. But all what you want to do is to pull back gov. Maybe we should end public education and public fire fighting. Yeah let us burn our own gov. LOL!
So what you want? To pull back gov. because you don't want to pay for your own infrastructure etc? I say you have no idea, no plan, mainly that gov should go back to its root, oOoh there was no gov in the past. What a progress to have no gov. which make laws.
healthcare in America is regulated (I work in healthcare, I'm a paramedic) it may not be guaranteed, but it is regulated and offered by the Government in medicaid/medicare...combined cost is more than our military (but you say we have no government involvement in our healthcare) and we're broke.
yeah, we're a broke nation.. we can't afford infrastructure right now, we're 13T's in debt... the U.S. and E.U. all need to focus on paying back China. They'll probably just default on the debts.
I also was a paramedic during my civilian service time. What company are you working for? Do you think this company will rescue everbody, even the poors when regulation will cut??? What you want to do? To cut medicare and medicaid, but what's about the people without money? Should they die? Are they the first vicitims of your coming mass murder Ron Paul?
You are a third world country, because your taxes are so low that you can't afford it, Infrastructure in Europe is superb.
Taxes are so low? what are you talking about? you said germans pay 38% in taxes... I know Americans who pay more than that! look at the rich in this country. 33% federal + 5% state + 5% sales + 2% social security (which they won't get) + medicaid/medicare (i forget the percentages).. and state/sales depend on the state you live in.. 5% to both is the LOWEST. Federal is going to go up to 39% at the end of the year.
that's a sweeping statement for a mental midget, no offense... 30% of total GDP, but in different brackets it goes up way higher depending... and that's just federal, there's taxes on each individual state.
yeah, 8% difference in taxation of the GDP. But in income earned it's higher depending on brackets... if you're going to raise 8% to even it out, you're probably going to lose money from the people paying higher into it. not to mention that America's corporate Tax is way higher than Germany... America has the highest corporate tax in the world... i think japan MIGHT have beaten in out recently, but the two keep switching...
8% is fucking much and between Sweden and the US is 24% difference and Sweden has a lower debt, less unemployment and higher growth rates than the US.
Sweden has a total taxation of 54% of its GDP and you fear 30% taxation. LOL! The swedish economy runs better than yours, because you have bigger private sector.
and considering history... you're really in no position to say Ron Paul is a mass murderer and Socialist leaders are great providers... (my original post)
so you can generalize all conservative movements into one ideology and then dismiss it by showcasing the worst cases of that ideology, but when it comes to leftism (which has been FAAAR worse), you have to look at each individual party? what kind of a fucked up double standard is that?
No double-standard, the social democrats are organized in the socialist international, nothing to do with radical socialists. Conservatives, even the republicans are organized ALL in one international assocation. There is no huge difference between their ideology, but between Social Democrats and Communists.
which international association are all conservatives under? Your using this statement to make blanket statements about all conservatism, mind you. Meanwhile, you pick and choose which leftist ideology you want to showcase, while you pick and choose which EU state you want to showcase, and completely ignore the rest. It IS a double standard.
What do you want to do with your 20% of your population which are living in poverty? Is cutting their education, cutting their welfare payments is that your solution? Freedom for the rich, not for the poor, no solidarity, just private egoistic profit??? Is that your vision of a society you fucking moron?`Go and die but please don't forgot to pay your health insurance and your private police force!!! Fucking americans. Get a brain idiot!
cutting education? absolutely. we don't need gov bureaucrats taking money to teach children that they should give everything to our government. Ever since the U.S. spent trillions on education our students results have dropped like a stone.
cut welfare? Yes. our welfare pundits have gotten everything they've wanted for funding and as a result, our major cities are now sinkholes for government welfare money where no one works... and our debt is exploding to support them.
You want to cut education? Are you stupid? Please go and die, please go to iraq and kill yourself idiot!
What welfare state do you mean? There doesn't exist welfare in the US. Your education system is worse, because you spend less than the average industrial countries. Your country is a third world country, wild west without solidarity and peace.
welfare doesn't exist in america? are you kidding me?!? Yes, it most certainly does... google it. I've gone into people's houses who have no jobs and make more money in welfare then I make working, in their government housing, with 5 kids playing with toys and dressed in clothes paid for by government, i can't even afford to have 1 kid.... AND i'm giving them free medical care (medicaid) and transport to ER's where they recieve free treatment, usually for ailments that are bogus..
what you fail to realize is that in America, and U.K. some other sections of Europe... the poorest of the population are CREATED by welfare. our 20% poverty recieves everything you've advocated for. Government housing, education, health insurance, Food Stamps, spending money for children... then every year at tax time they get thousands of spending money... look at the data you've posted about america's debt... that's the result of funding people to not do anything. can't afford it
THAT'S NOT TRUE!!! The states in Europe with biggest welfare payments have the lowest unemployment and the lowest poverty rate in the world, especially child poverty. Please shut up with your amateur knowledge. YOU SPEND NOT ENOUGH THAT'S THE PROBLEM and you want to cut your minimal welfare? Are you crazy? You are stupid!!!
Are you living in a dictatorship or why you don't trust your own gov???? Why you fight for your gov. in Iraq when you don't trust your own gov? You believe your gov, when they lie about iraq war, but you want to die for they. Your political radical freedom positions are ridiculous. Less gov. means less democracy in a democracy. Public healthcare, public fire departments, public military and not private, private, private idiot. Mankind has to WORK TOGETHER and not against each other.
yet another strawman argument. but if you want to go into philosophy, sure... You've presented a half a dozen micro nations that are SUPER involved in finance/commodities/multi-national corporations with national shared profits... probably benefiting (scandanavia) 30 million people. that's your case to trust/love government.
My case...look at the dictatorships of the 20th century and the hell they brought the world.... Case closed.
The reps had supported the iraq war, the tea party also does it and when you support the tea party you also support gov. runned wars. Why you don't think about gov. runned wars? I will you say it, because it brings profit for your military runned gov. LOL!
the tea party supports a humble foreign policy. If you want to know more about libertarianism I'd suggest reading Ron Paul or going to campaign for liberties website. I personally don't support nation building and military occupations... I'm a libertarian/American. The only military America needs, in my opinion, is the one that defends our borders. Recall the bases, especially in your nations, and let you pay for your own defense. might be bad in the long run but that's your problem.
I know libertarianism, it's another word for "back to the middle-ages". Freedom means not to do everything you want to do. Every person has freedom and not just the strongest, or richest. We need gov. laws and regulations to shape community life. No anarchy, we need freedom for everybody, also for the poor, who don't have the power of thousands of plants.
what government policies was it that brought mankind out of the middle ages? the industrial revolution happened because of which government? which policy? which plan? oh, i forgot.. EU isn't planned economy.. but it is when you want to make your argument.. but it isn't when your opposition informs you that every planned economy has failed... then it is when you talk about success... and then it isn't... and you hate communism, but you offer all these marxist/leftist talking points..
Industrial revolution would be useless without working laws. The middle-ages were a time where the strongest had power over the weak. The laws which allows unions had brought the societies wealth and not the radical freedom where capitalists can fight against unions with private miliary.
would it? or would working laws be useless without the industrial revolution? you said, you said liberty is going back to the middle ages... were there no laws in the middle ages? everything your advocating for hasn't been brought about because of government policies...
Both, but freedom alone brings nothing like total regulation brings nothing, but you have a far liberty view of point, i'm a social democrat, we believe in freedom AND solidarity.
There were laws in the middle-ages, but laws from Kings. That's my point, if you pull back gov. there will be other laws, but not from your democratic gov, but from private companies like the Kings in the middle-ages. So what is better?
democratic government? where's the democracy in the EU? did everyone get a referendum on lisbon? the only democratic voices were SILENCED have their been any votes in concerning EU memberships among citizens?
I have nothing against democracy, if we can get more democracy we should do it, but privatization means loss of democracy, because it's private not public.
so, bureaucrats should have a say in how business is run because it's "democratic"... Yes, we need government control and marxism in every aspect of the economy, otherwise it's not democratic... talk about warped (i'll comment later, going to work)
The service i work for is called "Curtis Ambulance".. if you're trying to say i work for the government and am a hypocrite because of it, you're wrong.. i work for a private service (like most services in America)
How much democracy we need we can decide through democratic votes, but you can't argue against every gov. runned subjects with the argument, that it is gov. runned. Did you understand?
Most services in America are gov. runned, the army, the police, fire departments, nearly everything and cities like New Orleans wouldn't have ambulance services without gov. They all would die because of far right Ron Paul.
you can't decide, actually. the commission and presidency are unelected positions. as are the bureaucrats you adore.. do you elect the regulators and bureaucrats? no you don't.
Most services are gov run? two comments ago you said we had no government and welfare, now most services in America are gov run? again, you contradict yourself.
Just because something isn't funded by Gov doesn't mean it would die... and I fear the day that police become federally funded. We don't need a Stasi.
that's what fascism is to you.. just like democracy is marxism. Fascism is control through top-down regulation, or state/corporate powers merging.. that's the actual definition.
You say, again, You have no welfare.. there is plenty of welfare in America, you can ignore that fact and argue your own lie all you want.
your decision influences party, but doesn't allow for democratic referendums where they're needed? a political party controls enterprise? that's fascism lol
"democratic decision" A.K.A. Government control by political party. That's the definition of fascism. You can say what it is to you all you want, but that's the definition, which is by it's purpose "definite".
LOL, the U.S. is not the smallest welfare state in the industrialized world. whatever stereotypes your monnet professors pin on it to further make you fall in love with central planning is B.S.
Bullshit, that isn't the definition, fascism is the rule of a UNDEMOCRATIC party. Undemocratic parties are unvoted gov. like single CEOs with the power of money.
Oh yes, the US is the smallest welfare state of the industrialized world. You spend only 19.4% of your GDP on welfare. That is fucking less. Australia: 22.5%, Canada: 23.1%, UK: 25.9%, Italy: 28.6%, Netherlands: 27.3%, Finland: 32.3%, Belgium: 32.7%, Switzerland: 31.6%, Germany: 33.2%, Sweden: 38.2%, Denmark: 37.9%.
Look up the definition, lol. stop with all your fluff talk, geez
All the countries you listed aren't the entire industrialized world, and you're not talking into account U.S. state welfare programs. You never take into account the Actual States, you just look at U.S. Federal statistics. You just pick whichever EU state fits your argument, usually a micro-nation like sweden, and ignore the other states.
Every spending on welfare, also the state spendings i've taken into account.
I can list up more industrial countries. Just Ireland, Mexico and South Korea are spending less than the US on welfare. Every other industrial nation spends more than the US on welfare. Look it up yourself!
And it is the TOTAL TAXATION, also the state taxation, every taxation is taken in account.
No it's not. U.S. taxation varies from State to State. You don't look at which states spend money on welfare, which states tax, and which states don't. You just look at the Federal Figure. But you factor in the Entire EU like you do the U.S.... When arguing for hte E.U. you go to whichever member state fits your agenda.
It's as ignorant as i f i was to say "EU unemployment is 10% but Texas' unemployment is at 5.7"... I'm not doing that though. you're the one switching the sides.
lol, yes it DOES matter... there are economists that specialize in micro/macro management and analysis... the two differ quite a bit! If you don't know what something means, use your search browser and learn something
Your only interest is in other people's money, taxation. You really don't know much about how economies work though... and again, avoiding any EU statistics and moving straight to whichever state fits your argument, while lumping all the U.S. states together. You haven't mentioned U.S. STATE taxes once, nor have you ever mentioned EU statistics.
U.K. 5th largest economy in the world, it's going into a debt spiral Look at France... you're seriously making an argument for France right now? Or Italy which is covered in Garbage? and then you go back to some micro-nations like Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden. You don't even understand the fundamentals of their economies. You just say, like a child, "Tax like them and you'll be good", leaving out any other aspect of any nations economy. Ignorant
Yes, Germany is a good economy, altough it has a big welfare state, high taxation etc. so nearly everything you say from, that it doesn't work.
The UK has also big growth and low unemployment so the debt is no problem. France has problems since the UMP is in office. Italy has a better infrastructure than your country.
I know why higher taxation is better for the economy, because these countries export more through their expensive education system.
Germany's economy has nothing to do with it's welfare LOL. people don't want to buy German products because of their welfare system. Germany's economy is good because of its fundamentals. Although your pension system needed to be reworked in the past (avoided that subject, didn't ya?)
UK has big growth and low unemployment? wtf are you talking about, they're the first nation set to debt spiral (that's when it'll get really fun). Italy? your advocating for italy's economy now?!? lol.
People want ot buy german products, because of our welfare system. Just a healthy and educated worker can build a BMW. Without welfare, no healthy people. There are studys which says that european workers are more healthy than americans, also because they have more freetime.
people buy German products because they're on the market just like India and Chinese. you know India, who reformed their markets and let their industry operate without government interference... and now their poverty rate has been more than cut in half? China, who's ruled by terrible communists, but still freed up their markets and their poverty rate went from 66% to 8%. like this all over the world. and you're arguing for 3% tax increase to make a utopia
In India poverty is still a big problem, in China big state owned companies are more profitable than some american companies. For some day China has testest the fastest computer on earth and the fastest train. China is still a heavily regulated market, but the most successfull emerging market.
I've said that without gov. nothing will run, but with gov regulations, social care and access to healthcare even for the poors it is more humanly and it is going faster as you can see in China and Brazil, where Socialist Lula has reduced poverty through its welfare programs. Even the forbes magazine says it.
You won't reduce any poverty without good economic fundamentals, and those fundamentals you ignore aren't managed through welfare... they're managed through industry and goods production. You want to tax them for welfare, go ahead. But if you tax them to the level YOU want, they'll just go offshore.. like they already have. You're going to run out of things to tax (something you never thought of).
now you need free markets... a few posts ago you said "the people of Europe want Socialism"... If you're just talking about Socialism as welfare... The U.S. can and has enacted those programs... the 20% poverty you talk about are on Welfare.
No, offshore industry is a bigger problem than you'll admit... You can't have nations produce no goods and have a vibrant economy. Goods production is essential towards any economy, and most of it is happening outside the U.S. and E.U.
Socialism means not automatically gov. runned economy. Social Democracy is part of the socialist ideology like the soviet system, but we believe in markets. Europeans want socialism, social democracy which has a long tradition in Europe and they although were members of the NATO and not eastern military alliance.
What you say makes no sense. The countries with the highest welfare spendings as part of their GDP are the countries with the lowest poverty.
Yeah.. democratic communism as oppose to authoritarian communism... that's all you're really talking about. but then you'll go on this tirade about free markets and how they're needed, but then you'll say "CAPITALISM FAILS", but then you'll brag about how some euro states have more economic freedom than the U.S.... but then you'll say the U.S. is this huge free nation and that's why it's failing. and then you just say "pay me more taxes"...
I've never said that my ideology is soviet nature. Read it again. I wrote that socialism has two different main parts, the soviet system and social democracy, which are completely different. Do you know the SPD?
Capitalism without gov. regulation fails. Free market means not radical free markets.
The difference is that the gov. has control about the companies. If there is no gov. control they can do what they want, markets means not that they can do everything they want, gov. always has the option to make regulations.
We have no problem with offshore although we have much higher taxes, because we have higher taxes we can spend more money on education and that's the reason why our export industry is still producing in Germany. There is no offshore plant which can produce something like we can.
the E.U. and the U.S. are the two most deindustrialized areas of the world. you DO have a problem with outsourcing... there's no reason for anyone to produce goods within your borders if they could just do it in China, india, or any of the other emerging markets.
No, some companies came back from China, because they couldn't build their products tehre, especially german companies. Look at the trade balance. The biggest welfare states have also the best trade balance of the industrial world like Sweden, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands etc.
dude, how many times are you going to cite micro nations... that's like.. 4 million people lol. You got the highest marks in micr/macro economics.. You should know that Finland's economy, by nature, has to differ from U.K. or France, or U.S.
yeah because the structure of all countries are the same no matter what, LOL. You even said you did well in a subject you're saying doesn't EXIST
you did say your ideology was soviet... You JUST said it. "Social Democracy is part of the socialist ideology like the soviet system, but we believe in markets."
you just shift your argument to whatever hyperbole you want it to be to make a high taxation argument while ignoring everything else
Yes i said what there is, social democracy is part of the socialist ideology like the soviet system [ is part of the socialist ideology ], but we believe in markets. Do you know understand? But you can look it up yourself what social democracy is.
Your arguments make no sense. You like Germany but you don't its system of taxation and welfare, which makes 40% of the whole economy here?
I said Germany's economy is good... but that's because it's an exporter nation. Not because of Government. The government's trade policy is at work, which i believe is the only essential purpose of a government when it comes to economy aside from rule of law... Trade policy is in place as a result of the rule of law. That's not actual control of the industry however. it's about production/consumption.. you just talk about taxation... you don't export goods because of your taxes.
And i have listed just Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Germany, because they are the biggest welfare states. They have high taxes, high welfare payments, high gov. spendings and strong unions. The rest of Europe has a welfare states like the US, a very small one. You can compare these nations and then you can see that the welfare states have the smallest problems what you can see in their economic data, unemployment, trade balance, industrial level, poverty etc.
Which U.S. states in particular? we have states here that are very much like the EU? I mean, aside from your micronations.... what about U.K.? or France where they're destroying the cities... Spain? Why do you just pick one nations to suit your point (usually sparsely populated nations that you have no idea how their actual economy works aside from welfare) and leave out the ones that are spiraling out of control? What about the austerity even germany will have to take? you just ignore it.
Have you ever been in Spain or France? There is not a single city in the US, which is so clean like Madrid, Barcelona, Nice, Marseille, Strasbourg. Not a single high speed train like the AVE or TGV or bridges like the Viaduc de Millau or airports like the barcelonas one or airplanes like the A380. Beautiful infrastructure which no riot can destroy. The whole US-infrastructure is orld or broken, because of tax cuttings. I had to laugh when i heard that US buses has no stop buttons.
No stop buttons? Yeah, they don't.. i don't know what you're talking about.. then again, i have a car that I own personally and can go wherever i want in. Our government run transport is broke because no one uses it. Amtrac is broke.
I have been to spain... I would NOT want to live there. The hotel i stayed in was a dump and when i went to people's places to party... I wouldn't want to live in those conditions. very dumpy and dirty. I heard it's worse in portugal.
What car are you driving? Japanese, german, italian, Ford developed in cologne Germany, a Buick developed in Russeslheim from Opel in Germany? F-150? Yeah that is what you are looking like.
Amtrak is broke because... look at your fucking old infrastructure. Have you ever seen a train station in Berlin? Amtrak is underfunded like the rest of your fucking country.
Don't tell me something about dirty hotels! I can tell you stories from exchange students which had to live in their ...
Amtrak is broke because no one takes it, lol. the only places where public transport is used are in huge cities where it costs a fortune to park and drive them.. like New York. Even in Chicago most people just have cars.
I'm just sayin... I wouldn't want to live their. I'm not saying that for arguments sake, a lot of other people i was with talked about it. that we didn't think it would be that bad. It was like an apartment in our inner city, where everyone is on welfare.
And the difference between Poland and Estonia, between Italy and Sweden is bigger than between MA and Texas. So you yes, you can compare the RELATIVE data between the whole US and single european states.
That's just an ignorant thing to say... and again, stop contradicting yourself...
"And you can't compare different european countries with one federal state like the US. UK has a completely other system than France and France has another system than Greece or Poland. "
This was a typing error. can and not can't. Also you can see it in the second sentence, which is the same what i wrote in my last comment.
Maybe there is a state which is like Ireland or Poland, maybe MA, but there is not a single state in the US which has a welfare system not even like the UK and the U.K isn't a big welfare state like Sweden or Germany.
What about France? They have problems with youths, because of lack of social programs. Welfare payment isn't the main thing.
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Damianek19 4 months ago
Please write letters, with pens and paper to your MEPs, MPs and PM Cameron to get us out of this utter mess. Don't bother just blogging, twittering or emailing, write a letter a week. The EU is responsible for most of the poorly constructed one size fits all regulations the UK follows unswervingly (unlike the others). Its sucking out our money. The grants they give out comes from us originally with them taking a 30% cut , please everyone WAKE UP !
rewind161 7 months ago
I didn't get most of what he said due to my understanding of german isn't what it has been.
But it is heartwarming to know that there's people talking passionately in EU for the "kleinen mensch" and welcomed.
ThaDane 8 months ago
"Freedom for the rich, not for the poor, no solidarity, just private egoistic profit? Is that your vision of a society you fucking moron?" you
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions" --Adolf Hitler
Bishop153 1 year ago
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B190489 1 year ago
@Bishop153
It's not a double standard. Policy isn't as easy as you think, there are hundreds of different decisions between european countries. We have successfull and less successfull countries in Europe and the reason for all problems in Europe haven't their source in socialist policy. It's fact, you just have to look which gov. a country had while the debt crisis. Most of them were not socialist governed countries.
B190489 1 year ago
this part makes no sense... what exactly hasn't the socialist party gotten that they wanted? (don't hand me fluff talk like "we haven't gotten public funded rainbows and lollipops.) what's the actual legislation or policy that the EU hasn't stamped into law (usually undemocratically)? There's more commonality between Agriculture, Civil, Finance, and industry than you'd ever admit, most of which is failing, most of which your party has pushed through.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
It doesn't matter what facist Hitler SAID, he was a LIAR like Bush. But let us look at the REALITY: (Adolf Hitler) eugenic programs "survival of the fittest" = cutting welfare (Ron Paul) and NO solidarity
Ron Paul is more facist than social democrats.
B190489 1 year ago
This is a doosey... okay, You said, it doesn't matter what the swiss do so long as they follow the law... which i've advocated for, and ron paul.. but three comments ago you said private enterprises shouldn't exist and they should have more "democratic" bureaucrats.. do you ever get tired of just talking out of your ass?
By several of your definitions Socialist Democrats are fascist. You don't even know what fascism means though... and you say Americans are ignorant.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
What? Social Democrats are facists? I said UNDEMOCRATIC RULE OF A PARTY.
B190489 1 year ago
it DOESN'T MATTER what you said.... read the ACTUAL definition of what fascism is, not what you think it is. who're you to determine what a term means? I guess, since you think you should have control of the world (as you just admitted), you probably think you can rewrite the definition... you've already rewritten enough history, why not the dictionary, right?
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Facism is the rule of a undemocratic party, that's the short definition. Please don't nerve me with history, i made my high school diploma in history.
B190489 1 year ago
Look up the definition yourself... Fascist ideology also encourages the complete and total glorification of the state... which you seem to be all in favor of. You haven't mentioned the state as anything aside from a godlike entity with no rules and no flaws...
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Fascism: "Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. They advocate the creation of a single-party state."
Nothing to do with democratic voted gov. especially not with international parties like the social democrats.
B190489 1 year ago
General characteristics of fascist economies
An inherent aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigisme, meaning an economy where the government exerts strong directive influence, and effectively controls production and allocation of resources.
Or as you've said, having a hand in all private industry....
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Yes, but there is a different between a DEMOCRATIC gov. which has its hand in the economy or a UNDEMOCRATIC gov. like the Nazis. You say that democracy=fascism. That makes no sense!
B190489 1 year ago
you're the one replaces the word "control' with "democracy"... and considering the lack of democracy in the EU... how can you actually advocate for anything democratic?
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
democratic gov. regulations=democratic rule=democratic control=democratic (public) services=democracy
B190489 1 year ago
emocracy is a political form of government in which governing power is derived from the people, either by direct referendum (direct democracy) or by means of elected representatives of the people (representative democracy)
you've turned the governing aspect into control of everything... marxism through representative democracy, where commissions/bureacracies who aren't voted for get control...
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
democratic control about some parts of the society isn't marxism, also we aren't marxist but social democrats. Please learn history and what social democracy is before you talk about it.
B190489 1 year ago
I'm just citing your own words and definitions. LOL.... maybe you should pick them better?
there are some aspects of social democracy you aren't talking about out of ignorance or your just avoiding them. like the gradualism effect. where private enterprise is gradually brought into government control over time. But then you talk about markets
gradualism is the creed of parties espousing social democracy, and of all socialist and communist parties.. run out of room but you get the idea
Bishop153 1 year ago
and if you want to bring the "democracy" you're speaking about to the world stage internationally... there won't be any democracy for anyone... with MEP's with such great quotes as "We must not bow to populism"
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Please let us live our life here in Europe. If you want to have private military ok, but let us have our public services, which garantuees every single children the same opportunity. We believe in freedom through solidarity and justice and not through maximum freedom for a few=less freedom of the weakest, through libertarianism.
B190489 1 year ago
what private military? like.. a company hiring security guards? lol...
You can have all the public services you want for all the solidarity and equality and justice your hearts desire.. just don't riot in the street and play the blame game when it goes foul.... oh, too late. If only they had more government..
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Blackwater? Hello?
Oh it doesn't goes foul and we will fight for it and i don't riot, because i'm social democrat not anarchist.
B190489 1 year ago
anarchists don't believe in government.. rioting for government programs isn't rioting for a non-state... you can blame them all you want but the majority of france right now isn't anarchist.
Who's contracted Blackwater? is it the government?
Bishop153 1 year ago
A German Socialist.... what could go wrong with that idea
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
A bit of Racism? hmm??
Socialism in europe is btw not what americans usually think it is. Americans make socialism and communism a synonym. They are not communists, they are social democrats, which supports the free market, they just want to regulate it.
omniscient232 1 year ago
racist, eh? whatever...
I really got that vibe about supporting free markets when he was talking about barroso's maoist/trotskyist past, and how he's a "real lefty"... You know you can regulate a business into failure then nationalize it. "Capture through regulation" ... Mussolini did that. Regardless, the economic fundamentals of the EU are so weak all the "Socialist-Free Market" regulations can't save it...
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153 @Bishop153 The left-wing is virtually losing every election in Europe. Even in strongholds like Sweden. And the policies done by right-wing or moderate governments don´t look very "obamite": cut taxes for business (specially big and medium business since the corporate tax is flat), cut spending, end stimulus programs, budget deficit under control, deregulate the labor market... And quite a few are introducing more private competition in public services.
xaviqaz 1 year ago
@Bishop153 The next dutch primer minister, Mark Rutte, would perfectly fit as a moderate US libertarian
xaviqaz 1 year ago
@Bishop153
The german socialists are called social democrats and they fought against the Nazis and had voted against Hitlers Enabling Act of 1933 so shut up if you don't know what you are talking about. Learn what the difference is between left and right socialists!!!
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489
lol... yes.. left wing socialism, much better than right wing socialism... SAME SHIT, different pile...
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Left wing socialists had ruled our countries several times. They were the successfullest governments of all times.Socialism doesn't mean just Soviet Union and Vietnam. Have you ever heard about Social Democracy? Not? So shut up!
B190489 1 year ago
@Bishop153
And Social Democrats are against communism and against national socialism.
The person in the video is the leader of the SOCIAL DEMOCRATS and NOT A COMMUNIST so shut up, if you don't know what social democracy means!!!
B190489 1 year ago
@Bishop153
You americans are so stupid. Don't know something about policy. First you should read the wikipedia articles about Market Socialism, Social Market Economy and Social Democracy before you judge all socialists idiot!
B190489 1 year ago
1/2
yeah, americans are stupid... you didn't give me an example of what you were saying... but let's take a look at your Socialist Union Comrade Schultze is talking about and compare it to the Socialist Unions of the past...
Lisbon went through with 2/3 of the states that were ALLOWED votes saying no to it... so much for Democracy
the European Arrest Warrant shouldn't be in place.
More western European nations are becoming police states, mainly, but not limitted to, the U.K.
Bishop153 1 year ago
2/2
Jew-hating is back, only this time it's "Anti-Zionism" which is rampant and mainly spread by ultra leftist professors and, in some cases, MEP's themselves.
Roma Gypsies? yeah... once again it's not good to be a Jew or Gypsy.
Your CAP is a failure, Your industrial policy is a failure, your trade agreements are failures, Your economic plans are failure. just like the Soviet Union.
And when they fail, and austerity has to be taken, lunatics march demanding these shysters take more power
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
4. Roma Gypsies: Sarkozy who did this, is a CONSERVATIVE, NOT A SOCIALIST!
5. Our industrial policy is a failure? LOL! That's the reason why our unemployment rate is 6.9% and yours 9.6%.
6. Trade agreements are CAPITALIST, NOT SOCIALIST!!!
7. We have no economic plans, we aren't a planned economy.
The rest is blablabla
B190489 1 year ago
4. ohhh, right... even though schultz is commending him in the video...
5. yeah, the E.U. produces less goods than north america, and canada is a small population and the U.S. actively exports industry...
6. no, governments issue trade policy.. again, stop the strawman bullshit about what socialism is or isn't... you make it this nebulous fantasy land crap. stop defining your shit by what it ISN'T... especially when you're wrong.
7. yeah, total free market in E.U.
Bishop153 1 year ago
B190489 1 year ago
I didn't say U.S. I said North America. and I never said that the U.S. had a sustainable economy. That's a strawman that you've been going on about. You're pretending that Government policy isn't government policy but private enterprise... which makes no sense... The only sustainable export nation in the E.U. is Germany, which is why they're picking up the bill for everyone. you can boast of the economies of micro nations involved in commodities and global banking and what not all you want.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
6. Again, free trade is neoliberal.
7. Switzerland and Ireland have more economic freedom than the US (Index of Economic Freedom).
B190489 1 year ago
6. it was socialist when you thought it was working... now that it's failing it's neoliberal... it's government authoritarianism, which Socialism is also.. you may say "well it's not being done right" but the fact is, the only time it was ever done right was before you got your hands on it.
7. again.. strawman.. I never said the U.S. was a successful free economic nation.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
6. No, most parts of Europe have no problems, because of fomer social democracy policy. Now everything is getting worse, because of the neoliberals. Everything is privatized, welfare cuts, etc, but even because of this we are more successfull than the US. Greece and Ireland were never social democratic states. Stop blaming socialism for the debt crisis, that's ridiculous!
B190489 1 year ago
Everything is privatized? You're debt to GDP is astronomical! you mean if your Government owned and operated even more services it would be in better shape? that makes no sense! What's ridiculous is that you're trying to blame what little private sector you have for your problems... a private sector that's operating under super-regulators from every bureaucracy, national/international, some of which pay for all your Social Justice, and you want more from them.
Bishop153 1 year ago
furthermore. Schultz is full of shit in this video anyway. He's going to blame Bush's terrible Interventionist policies (Government policies you're calling Capitalism) on the European Crisis? As if the Eu and it's member states aren't accountable for their own actions? E.U. is the largest trading entity on the planet with 3 central banks in it's borders. It's Bush's fault that the heavily populated EU states debt to GDP and Consumption vs production (save germany) are aweful?
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
And now you want to save Germany? Germany is one of the biggest welfare states in the world. Nearly 33.2% of our GDP is for welfare. Greece spends 28.4%, Ireland 18.5. The total taxation rate is 38% in Germany and 30% in Greece and Ireland. AND YOU REALLY WANT TO SAY ME THAT BIG GOVERNMENT IS THE REASON FOR THE CURRENT DEBT CRISIS??????????? LOL!!!!!!!
B190489 1 year ago
I said "Save Germany" meaning "Except for Germany" settle down with the punctuation. Yes, governments are the reason for the debt crisis... who do you think is in debt? The shoe store down the street? These are SOVEREIGN debts. You study economics and you don't even know how National debts work. precious. Your nations economy goes beyond tax/welfare. You also have to consider consumption/production, which most EU states are lacking production.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Oh WE ALL ARE IN DEBT, BECAUSE ITS YOUR GOVERNMENT!!!!!
B190489 1 year ago
ahh yes, scandanavia... 4 nations with a combined population less than california, heavily involved in nationalized oil/commodities, with state run multi-national corporations (i thought those were bad? I guess they're okay when a government owns it)
You're a retard. Your nations are going through austerity because of government debt, if you can't figure that out or don't know that.... you shouldn't be talking.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Scandinavia (biggest WELFARE states in the world) isn't going through austerity, idiot! Just the countries with low taxation, like Greece or Ireland, idiot!
THE DEBT IS NOT HUGE!!! The public deficit of the EU is -6,3%, the US -11% idiot! Norway has ++++9,7% idiot! The debt of Germany, France and Italy is lower than the US one idiot!
B190489 1 year ago
for the.. however many times.. I never advocated for U.S. economic policy. comparing it to U.S. means absolutely nothing... you're disingenuous about your austerity nations... not just greece and ireland. France (watch the news lately?) U.K. Spain, Italy... pretty much every EU G20 nation.. the only nation advocating for more government involvement at the G20 is the U.S. Just because the U.S. is on a suicidal path of GOVERNMENT involvement doesn't vilify you.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
France is ruled by CONSERVATIVES, who believe also in LESS GOV. like your fucking republicans. They ruin their state to say that it doesn't work, but it works, the states with the biggest welfare state are the states with the lowest debt. Italy (-5%)and France (-7%) have a lower deficit than the US (-11%). Spain also 11%.
When you don't talk about the USA, where you are talking about? Which country? Phantasyland?
B190489 1 year ago
and going back to your earlier statements about Neoliberalism being capitalist and the lisbon treaty being Neoliberal... Martin Schultz (European Socialist) and Danny Cohen-Benditt were the ones who advocated for it.. but it's not Socialist, it's neoliberal.. just like the inflated entitlements that are bankrupting member states are the result of your private sector... gimme a break
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Are you kidding me? Really? Because you want to tell me, that big gov. is a problem while the facts are speaking another language. Do you really want to tell me that big gov. is a problem???? Please read a book and be quit!!!!!
B190489 1 year ago
the facts are speaking another language? oh okay... you're right, Governments can't be blamed for their own debts (lol) they can do whatever they want and if it fails it's the electorates fault for not paying them enough money...
You're only argument is that more taxation and welfare = better living standard. every failed instance of it (and there's plenty) you push off on private sector production...
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Oh and Sweden, Finland, Denmark have not a better living standard than the US? LOL!!!!
B190489 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Here is the evidence, don't deny it, just notice it and shut up with your fucking neoliberal propaganda!!!
B190489 1 year ago
and yet, still... The very fact that you try to pawn off the failures of Euro-Socialism as NeoLiberalsm, and try to vindicate already existing and failing Socialism in your own member states is laughable at best. All the states that your applauding for their Socialist policies are going through Austerity. You may want to go to the G20 and tell the leaders there that there's no Socialism in Europe and that they should enact more government control/regulation/taxation. especially in U.K./France.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Neoliberalism is capitalism and not socialism idiot!
B190489 1 year ago
It doesn't matter what labels you pin your failures on. You're going through austerity because of your government actions... your socialist failures (welfare) are being cut back because they can't be sustained...
You're nations debt/GDP is huge (gov debt), Government benefits/entitlements are being cut across the board. spending is going down... and you're saying that's all neoliberal capitalism.. gimme a break
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
All numbers are relative idiot, the size of a country doesn't matter idiot!
California is bankrupt, because of low taxation.
You think less gov. is the solution, but with taxes how will you run the schools, how will you bring healthcare to the people, a infrastructure, a military? You don't know what you are talking about, just repeat what fucking reps and tea party idiots say idiot. Think yourself and get a brain and than say me again that we don't a democratic STRONG gov.
B190489 1 year ago
you really need to study more and aspire less... high taxation = low productivity which leads to less future taxes.. just saying "Raise taxes" is the response a second grader would give.
There's more to economies than just taxes/revenue, Commie. California's economic fundamentals are just as weak as most EU states... you can't tax production you don't have. When all the money goes offshore, you're gonna go broke. then no taxes and no services and debt.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
What brings productivity when just 1% of the richest americans have 20% of your wealth? 2% have 40% etc Thousands of stats show us that an american worker has a more worse life than a european.
Not all the money goes offshore? That's ridiculous, some but not all. Sweden has one of the highest taxation in the world, but Volvo CEO don't want to live in another country, because his taxex brings security and a atmosphere of peace, which he wouldn't have in America.
B190489 1 year ago
the size of the country DOES matter... Norway has 4.7 million people. say a country like the U.S. wanted to mirror it's economic policy. It would need to supply roughly 80 times the Oil Norway does and own so many multi-national, state run corperations it would have to exploit half the world's impoverished labour... Unlike norway who can get away with just doing it in Libya, Bengladesh and so on...
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Norway has 3x more taxes than the US. I don't say that you have to increase your taxes like Norway, but a little bit so that you can bring every american right healthcare.
B190489 1 year ago
@Bishop153
You are against everything that comes from your gov. you think regulation and welfare attacks your freedom? If you have no regulation then you have no freedom, because rules schould protect freedom. Freedom means not to do everything you want to do. Freedom means ends there where the freedom from another human begins. Here we need regulations, laws and a welfare state which gives every child the same opportunity to get rich. Tea party will give your country the rest.
B190489 1 year ago
you can talk about what rules SHOULD do, but put into practice it's a different story... Name ONE section of any western nation that isn't regulated, operated by, operating under, Taxed, regulated, funded, or steered by the Government... just one. Whatcha got? a Lemonade stand maybe? but that's not enough. You've already labeled it "NeoLiberalism" and said MORE government is needed.
I know you wont respond to this because you can't name one
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
For example there is no regulation which garantuees every american healthcare. But all what you want to do is to pull back gov. Maybe we should end public education and public fire fighting. Yeah let us burn our own gov. LOL!
So what you want? To pull back gov. because you don't want to pay for your own infrastructure etc? I say you have no idea, no plan, mainly that gov should go back to its root, oOoh there was no gov in the past. What a progress to have no gov. which make laws.
B190489 1 year ago
healthcare in America is regulated (I work in healthcare, I'm a paramedic) it may not be guaranteed, but it is regulated and offered by the Government in medicaid/medicare...combined cost is more than our military (but you say we have no government involvement in our healthcare) and we're broke.
yeah, we're a broke nation.. we can't afford infrastructure right now, we're 13T's in debt... the U.S. and E.U. all need to focus on paying back China. They'll probably just default on the debts.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
I also was a paramedic during my civilian service time. What company are you working for? Do you think this company will rescue everbody, even the poors when regulation will cut??? What you want to do? To cut medicare and medicaid, but what's about the people without money? Should they die? Are they the first vicitims of your coming mass murder Ron Paul?
You are a third world country, because your taxes are so low that you can't afford it, Infrastructure in Europe is superb.
B190489 1 year ago
Taxes are so low? what are you talking about? you said germans pay 38% in taxes... I know Americans who pay more than that! look at the rich in this country. 33% federal + 5% state + 5% sales + 2% social security (which they won't get) + medicaid/medicare (i forget the percentages).. and state/sales depend on the state you live in.. 5% to both is the LOWEST. Federal is going to go up to 39% at the end of the year.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
We pay 38% taxes of our GDP. You pay just 30%, i know it. It's the total taxation.
B190489 1 year ago
that's a sweeping statement for a mental midget, no offense... 30% of total GDP, but in different brackets it goes up way higher depending... and that's just federal, there's taxes on each individual state.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
READ IT AGAIN!!! TOTAL TAXATION OF THE GDP, NOT TOTAL GDP.
B190489 1 year ago
yeah, 8% difference in taxation of the GDP. But in income earned it's higher depending on brackets... if you're going to raise 8% to even it out, you're probably going to lose money from the people paying higher into it. not to mention that America's corporate Tax is way higher than Germany... America has the highest corporate tax in the world... i think japan MIGHT have beaten in out recently, but the two keep switching...
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
8% is fucking much and between Sweden and the US is 24% difference and Sweden has a lower debt, less unemployment and higher growth rates than the US.
Again: What EMS company are you working for?
B190489 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Sweden has a total taxation of 54% of its GDP and you fear 30% taxation. LOL! The swedish economy runs better than yours, because you have bigger private sector.
B190489 1 year ago
and considering history... you're really in no position to say Ron Paul is a mass murderer and Socialist leaders are great providers... (my original post)
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Social Democrats NEVER have killed somebody. Reps thousands in their wars and trough death penalty.
B190489 1 year ago
so you can generalize all conservative movements into one ideology and then dismiss it by showcasing the worst cases of that ideology, but when it comes to leftism (which has been FAAAR worse), you have to look at each individual party? what kind of a fucked up double standard is that?
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
No double-standard, the social democrats are organized in the socialist international, nothing to do with radical socialists. Conservatives, even the republicans are organized ALL in one international assocation. There is no huge difference between their ideology, but between Social Democrats and Communists.
B190489 1 year ago
which international association are all conservatives under? Your using this statement to make blanket statements about all conservatism, mind you. Meanwhile, you pick and choose which leftist ideology you want to showcase, while you pick and choose which EU state you want to showcase, and completely ignore the rest. It IS a double standard.
Bishop153 1 year ago
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B190489 1 year ago
@Bishop153
What do you want to do with your 20% of your population which are living in poverty? Is cutting their education, cutting their welfare payments is that your solution? Freedom for the rich, not for the poor, no solidarity, just private egoistic profit??? Is that your vision of a society you fucking moron?`Go and die but please don't forgot to pay your health insurance and your private police force!!! Fucking americans. Get a brain idiot!
B190489 1 year ago
cutting education? absolutely. we don't need gov bureaucrats taking money to teach children that they should give everything to our government. Ever since the U.S. spent trillions on education our students results have dropped like a stone.
cut welfare? Yes. our welfare pundits have gotten everything they've wanted for funding and as a result, our major cities are now sinkholes for government welfare money where no one works... and our debt is exploding to support them.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
You want to cut education? Are you stupid? Please go and die, please go to iraq and kill yourself idiot!
What welfare state do you mean? There doesn't exist welfare in the US. Your education system is worse, because you spend less than the average industrial countries. Your country is a third world country, wild west without solidarity and peace.
B190489 1 year ago
welfare doesn't exist in america? are you kidding me?!? Yes, it most certainly does... google it. I've gone into people's houses who have no jobs and make more money in welfare then I make working, in their government housing, with 5 kids playing with toys and dressed in clothes paid for by government, i can't even afford to have 1 kid.... AND i'm giving them free medical care (medicaid) and transport to ER's where they recieve free treatment, usually for ailments that are bogus..
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
The problem is that you don't earn enough money, they don't become too much welfare.
They don't have free dentists and many working people can't afford a health insurance and don't become medicaid.
B190489 1 year ago
what you fail to realize is that in America, and U.K. some other sections of Europe... the poorest of the population are CREATED by welfare. our 20% poverty recieves everything you've advocated for. Government housing, education, health insurance, Food Stamps, spending money for children... then every year at tax time they get thousands of spending money... look at the data you've posted about america's debt... that's the result of funding people to not do anything. can't afford it
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
THAT'S NOT TRUE!!! The states in Europe with biggest welfare payments have the lowest unemployment and the lowest poverty rate in the world, especially child poverty. Please shut up with your amateur knowledge. YOU SPEND NOT ENOUGH THAT'S THE PROBLEM and you want to cut your minimal welfare? Are you crazy? You are stupid!!!
B190489 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Are you living in a dictatorship or why you don't trust your own gov???? Why you fight for your gov. in Iraq when you don't trust your own gov? You believe your gov, when they lie about iraq war, but you want to die for they. Your political radical freedom positions are ridiculous. Less gov. means less democracy in a democracy. Public healthcare, public fire departments, public military and not private, private, private idiot. Mankind has to WORK TOGETHER and not against each other.
B190489 1 year ago
now your putting words in my mouth about Iraq..
yet another strawman argument. but if you want to go into philosophy, sure... You've presented a half a dozen micro nations that are SUPER involved in finance/commodities/multi-national corporations with national shared profits... probably benefiting (scandanavia) 30 million people. that's your case to trust/love government.
My case...look at the dictatorships of the 20th century and the hell they brought the world.... Case closed.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
The reps had supported the iraq war, the tea party also does it and when you support the tea party you also support gov. runned wars. Why you don't think about gov. runned wars? I will you say it, because it brings profit for your military runned gov. LOL!
B190489 1 year ago
the tea party supports a humble foreign policy. If you want to know more about libertarianism I'd suggest reading Ron Paul or going to campaign for liberties website. I personally don't support nation building and military occupations... I'm a libertarian/American. The only military America needs, in my opinion, is the one that defends our borders. Recall the bases, especially in your nations, and let you pay for your own defense. might be bad in the long run but that's your problem.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
I know libertarianism, it's another word for "back to the middle-ages". Freedom means not to do everything you want to do. Every person has freedom and not just the strongest, or richest. We need gov. laws and regulations to shape community life. No anarchy, we need freedom for everybody, also for the poor, who don't have the power of thousands of plants.
B190489 1 year ago
what government policies was it that brought mankind out of the middle ages? the industrial revolution happened because of which government? which policy? which plan? oh, i forgot.. EU isn't planned economy.. but it is when you want to make your argument.. but it isn't when your opposition informs you that every planned economy has failed... then it is when you talk about success... and then it isn't... and you hate communism, but you offer all these marxist/leftist talking points..
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Industrial revolution would be useless without working laws. The middle-ages were a time where the strongest had power over the weak. The laws which allows unions had brought the societies wealth and not the radical freedom where capitalists can fight against unions with private miliary.
B190489 1 year ago
would it? or would working laws be useless without the industrial revolution? you said, you said liberty is going back to the middle ages... were there no laws in the middle ages? everything your advocating for hasn't been brought about because of government policies...
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Both, but freedom alone brings nothing like total regulation brings nothing, but you have a far liberty view of point, i'm a social democrat, we believe in freedom AND solidarity.
B190489 1 year ago
@Bishop153
There were laws in the middle-ages, but laws from Kings. That's my point, if you pull back gov. there will be other laws, but not from your democratic gov, but from private companies like the Kings in the middle-ages. So what is better?
B190489 1 year ago
democratic government? where's the democracy in the EU? did everyone get a referendum on lisbon? the only democratic voices were SILENCED have their been any votes in concerning EU memberships among citizens?
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
I have nothing against democracy, if we can get more democracy we should do it, but privatization means loss of democracy, because it's private not public.
B190489 1 year ago
so, bureaucrats should have a say in how business is run because it's "democratic"... Yes, we need government control and marxism in every aspect of the economy, otherwise it's not democratic... talk about warped (i'll comment later, going to work)
The service i work for is called "Curtis Ambulance".. if you're trying to say i work for the government and am a hypocrite because of it, you're wrong.. i work for a private service (like most services in America)
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
How much democracy we need we can decide through democratic votes, but you can't argue against every gov. runned subjects with the argument, that it is gov. runned. Did you understand?
Most services in America are gov. runned, the army, the police, fire departments, nearly everything and cities like New Orleans wouldn't have ambulance services without gov. They all would die because of far right Ron Paul.
B190489 1 year ago
you can't decide, actually. the commission and presidency are unelected positions. as are the bureaucrats you adore.. do you elect the regulators and bureaucrats? no you don't.
Most services are gov run? two comments ago you said we had no government and welfare, now most services in America are gov run? again, you contradict yourself.
Just because something isn't funded by Gov doesn't mean it would die... and I fear the day that police become federally funded. We don't need a Stasi.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
I decide what they do, because i'm member of the SPD, i can vote for every decision in the EU.
You had no welfare, but although your agencies are gov. runned. That has nothing to do with welfare idiot.
Don't use the word fascism, for me radical power of single private persons or companies is fascism.
B190489 1 year ago
that's what fascism is to you.. just like democracy is marxism. Fascism is control through top-down regulation, or state/corporate powers merging.. that's the actual definition.
You say, again, You have no welfare.. there is plenty of welfare in America, you can ignore that fact and argue your own lie all you want.
your decision influences party, but doesn't allow for democratic referendums where they're needed? a political party controls enterprise? that's fascism lol
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Right, fascism is the rule of the rich=libertarianism. It doesn't matter if the leader is called Hitler or CEO.
Even if there is a little bit welfare, you are the smallest welfare state of the industrial world.
The party influences democratic decisions, sure i've a vote.
B190489 1 year ago
"democratic decision" A.K.A. Government control by political party. That's the definition of fascism. You can say what it is to you all you want, but that's the definition, which is by it's purpose "definite".
LOL, the U.S. is not the smallest welfare state in the industrialized world. whatever stereotypes your monnet professors pin on it to further make you fall in love with central planning is B.S.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Bullshit, that isn't the definition, fascism is the rule of a UNDEMOCRATIC party. Undemocratic parties are unvoted gov. like single CEOs with the power of money.
Oh yes, the US is the smallest welfare state of the industrialized world. You spend only 19.4% of your GDP on welfare. That is fucking less. Australia: 22.5%, Canada: 23.1%, UK: 25.9%, Italy: 28.6%, Netherlands: 27.3%, Finland: 32.3%, Belgium: 32.7%, Switzerland: 31.6%, Germany: 33.2%, Sweden: 38.2%, Denmark: 37.9%.
B190489 1 year ago
Look up the definition, lol. stop with all your fluff talk, geez
All the countries you listed aren't the entire industrialized world, and you're not talking into account U.S. state welfare programs. You never take into account the Actual States, you just look at U.S. Federal statistics. You just pick whichever EU state fits your argument, usually a micro-nation like sweden, and ignore the other states.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Every spending on welfare, also the state spendings i've taken into account.
I can list up more industrial countries. Just Ireland, Mexico and South Korea are spending less than the US on welfare. Every other industrial nation spends more than the US on welfare. Look it up yourself!
And it is the TOTAL TAXATION, also the state taxation, every taxation is taken in account.
B190489 1 year ago
No it's not. U.S. taxation varies from State to State. You don't look at which states spend money on welfare, which states tax, and which states don't. You just look at the Federal Figure. But you factor in the Entire EU like you do the U.S.... When arguing for hte E.U. you go to whichever member state fits your agenda.
It's as ignorant as i f i was to say "EU unemployment is 10% but Texas' unemployment is at 5.7"... I'm not doing that though. you're the one switching the sides.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
THE NUMBERS ARE ALL RELATIVE, the size doesn't matter.
B190489 1 year ago
lol, yes it DOES matter... there are economists that specialize in micro/macro management and analysis... the two differ quite a bit! If you don't know what something means, use your search browser and learn something
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
I have the best rating in my micro and macro test. I know what i'm talking about. I try to explain it that you can understand it.
B190489 1 year ago
you just said they don't exist and now you have the best score on them? You should know what i'm speaking of then...
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
What doesn't exist?
B190489 1 year ago
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Bishop153 1 year ago
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"THE NUMBERS ARE ALL RELATIVE, the size doesn't matter." is what you said...
then two posts later
"I have the best rating in my micro and macro test. I know what i'm talking about. I try to explain it that you can understand it."
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
The US has one of the lowest total taxation of GDP of the industrial world with 29.6 %.
Compare youself: Germany has 37.9 %, Australia 31.5 %, Netherlands 41.4 %, Italy 42 %, Austria 43.7 %, France 45.3 %, Finland 46.9 %, Denmark 48.8 %, Sweden 54.2 % etc
B190489 1 year ago
Your only interest is in other people's money, taxation. You really don't know much about how economies work though... and again, avoiding any EU statistics and moving straight to whichever state fits your argument, while lumping all the U.S. states together. You haven't mentioned U.S. STATE taxes once, nor have you ever mentioned EU statistics.
Bishop153 1 year ago
Germany is a good economy.
U.K. 5th largest economy in the world, it's going into a debt spiral Look at France... you're seriously making an argument for France right now? Or Italy which is covered in Garbage? and then you go back to some micro-nations like Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden. You don't even understand the fundamentals of their economies. You just say, like a child, "Tax like them and you'll be good", leaving out any other aspect of any nations economy. Ignorant
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Yes, Germany is a good economy, altough it has a big welfare state, high taxation etc. so nearly everything you say from, that it doesn't work.
The UK has also big growth and low unemployment so the debt is no problem. France has problems since the UMP is in office. Italy has a better infrastructure than your country.
I know why higher taxation is better for the economy, because these countries export more through their expensive education system.
B190489 1 year ago
Germany's economy has nothing to do with it's welfare LOL. people don't want to buy German products because of their welfare system. Germany's economy is good because of its fundamentals. Although your pension system needed to be reworked in the past (avoided that subject, didn't ya?)
UK has big growth and low unemployment? wtf are you talking about, they're the first nation set to debt spiral (that's when it'll get really fun). Italy? your advocating for italy's economy now?!? lol.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
People want ot buy german products, because of our welfare system. Just a healthy and educated worker can build a BMW. Without welfare, no healthy people. There are studys which says that european workers are more healthy than americans, also because they have more freetime.
B190489 1 year ago
people buy German products because they're on the market just like India and Chinese. you know India, who reformed their markets and let their industry operate without government interference... and now their poverty rate has been more than cut in half? China, who's ruled by terrible communists, but still freed up their markets and their poverty rate went from 66% to 8%. like this all over the world. and you're arguing for 3% tax increase to make a utopia
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
In India poverty is still a big problem, in China big state owned companies are more profitable than some american companies. For some day China has testest the fastest computer on earth and the fastest train. China is still a heavily regulated market, but the most successfull emerging market.
B190489 1 year ago
Poverty is a big problem in India... it's gone down since market reform, just like it has everywhere.
China's exporting companies are not state owned... that's just another lie. And only since market reform have they been successful
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
I've said that without gov. nothing will run, but with gov regulations, social care and access to healthcare even for the poors it is more humanly and it is going faster as you can see in China and Brazil, where Socialist Lula has reduced poverty through its welfare programs. Even the forbes magazine says it.
B190489 1 year ago
You won't reduce any poverty without good economic fundamentals, and those fundamentals you ignore aren't managed through welfare... they're managed through industry and goods production. You want to tax them for welfare, go ahead. But if you tax them to the level YOU want, they'll just go offshore.. like they already have. You're going to run out of things to tax (something you never thought of).
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Yes and that's a reason why we need free markets and welfare.
Without markets welfare doesn't work, without welfare markets will bring only wealth for the strongest, the richest.
Offshore is a problem but not as big as you think and in the future our "socialist" international organizations will end taxations competition.
B190489 1 year ago
now you need free markets... a few posts ago you said "the people of Europe want Socialism"... If you're just talking about Socialism as welfare... The U.S. can and has enacted those programs... the 20% poverty you talk about are on Welfare.
No, offshore industry is a bigger problem than you'll admit... You can't have nations produce no goods and have a vibrant economy. Goods production is essential towards any economy, and most of it is happening outside the U.S. and E.U.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Socialism means not automatically gov. runned economy. Social Democracy is part of the socialist ideology like the soviet system, but we believe in markets. Europeans want socialism, social democracy which has a long tradition in Europe and they although were members of the NATO and not eastern military alliance.
What you say makes no sense. The countries with the highest welfare spendings as part of their GDP are the countries with the lowest poverty.
B190489 1 year ago
Yeah.. democratic communism as oppose to authoritarian communism... that's all you're really talking about. but then you'll go on this tirade about free markets and how they're needed, but then you'll say "CAPITALISM FAILS", but then you'll brag about how some euro states have more economic freedom than the U.S.... but then you'll say the U.S. is this huge free nation and that's why it's failing. and then you just say "pay me more taxes"...
You've been all over the place.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
There was never democratic communism, but even when it would be democratic societies.
B190489 1 year ago
you're describing democratic communism with what you're saying though? You even said that your ideology is Soviet in Nature!
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
I've never said that my ideology is soviet nature. Read it again. I wrote that socialism has two different main parts, the soviet system and social democracy, which are completely different. Do you know the SPD?
B190489 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Capitalism without gov. regulation fails. Free market means not radical free markets.
The difference is that the gov. has control about the companies. If there is no gov. control they can do what they want, markets means not that they can do everything they want, gov. always has the option to make regulations.
B190489 1 year ago
@Bishop153
We have no problem with offshore although we have much higher taxes, because we have higher taxes we can spend more money on education and that's the reason why our export industry is still producing in Germany. There is no offshore plant which can produce something like we can.
B190489 1 year ago
the E.U. and the U.S. are the two most deindustrialized areas of the world. you DO have a problem with outsourcing... there's no reason for anyone to produce goods within your borders if they could just do it in China, india, or any of the other emerging markets.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
No, some companies came back from China, because they couldn't build their products tehre, especially german companies. Look at the trade balance. The biggest welfare states have also the best trade balance of the industrial world like Sweden, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands etc.
Outsourcing is only a problem of the US.
B190489 1 year ago
dude, how many times are you going to cite micro nations... that's like.. 4 million people lol. You got the highest marks in micr/macro economics.. You should know that Finland's economy, by nature, has to differ from U.K. or France, or U.S.
Bishop153 1 year ago
I meant, 4 million in one nation... but yeah, Chicago has more people than a place like Norway
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Again, all numbers are relative.
B190489 1 year ago
then you're high marks in micro/macro economics mean nothing and that course doesn't exist... or you're lying again..
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Size doesn't matter you can compare one city with 10 others, the numbers are relative, the size doesn't matter.
B190489 1 year ago
yeah because the structure of all countries are the same no matter what, LOL. You even said you did well in a subject you're saying doesn't EXIST
you did say your ideology was soviet... You JUST said it. "Social Democracy is part of the socialist ideology like the soviet system, but we believe in markets."
you just shift your argument to whatever hyperbole you want it to be to make a high taxation argument while ignoring everything else
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Yes i said what there is, social democracy is part of the socialist ideology like the soviet system [ is part of the socialist ideology ], but we believe in markets. Do you know understand? But you can look it up yourself what social democracy is.
Your arguments make no sense. You like Germany but you don't its system of taxation and welfare, which makes 40% of the whole economy here?
B190489 1 year ago
I said Germany's economy is good... but that's because it's an exporter nation. Not because of Government. The government's trade policy is at work, which i believe is the only essential purpose of a government when it comes to economy aside from rule of law... Trade policy is in place as a result of the rule of law. That's not actual control of the industry however. it's about production/consumption.. you just talk about taxation... you don't export goods because of your taxes.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Maybe we are a exporter nation, because of our gov.
B190489 1 year ago
@Bishop153
And i have listed just Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Germany, because they are the biggest welfare states. They have high taxes, high welfare payments, high gov. spendings and strong unions. The rest of Europe has a welfare states like the US, a very small one. You can compare these nations and then you can see that the welfare states have the smallest problems what you can see in their economic data, unemployment, trade balance, industrial level, poverty etc.
B190489 1 year ago
Which U.S. states in particular? we have states here that are very much like the EU? I mean, aside from your micronations.... what about U.K.? or France where they're destroying the cities... Spain? Why do you just pick one nations to suit your point (usually sparsely populated nations that you have no idea how their actual economy works aside from welfare) and leave out the ones that are spiraling out of control? What about the austerity even germany will have to take? you just ignore it.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
Have you ever been in Spain or France? There is not a single city in the US, which is so clean like Madrid, Barcelona, Nice, Marseille, Strasbourg. Not a single high speed train like the AVE or TGV or bridges like the Viaduc de Millau or airports like the barcelonas one or airplanes like the A380. Beautiful infrastructure which no riot can destroy. The whole US-infrastructure is orld or broken, because of tax cuttings. I had to laugh when i heard that US buses has no stop buttons.
B190489 1 year ago
No stop buttons? Yeah, they don't.. i don't know what you're talking about.. then again, i have a car that I own personally and can go wherever i want in. Our government run transport is broke because no one uses it. Amtrac is broke.
I have been to spain... I would NOT want to live there. The hotel i stayed in was a dump and when i went to people's places to party... I wouldn't want to live in those conditions. very dumpy and dirty. I heard it's worse in portugal.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
What car are you driving? Japanese, german, italian, Ford developed in cologne Germany, a Buick developed in Russeslheim from Opel in Germany? F-150? Yeah that is what you are looking like.
Amtrak is broke because... look at your fucking old infrastructure. Have you ever seen a train station in Berlin? Amtrak is underfunded like the rest of your fucking country.
Don't tell me something about dirty hotels! I can tell you stories from exchange students which had to live in their ...
B190489 1 year ago
I drive a jeep
Amtrak is broke because no one takes it, lol. the only places where public transport is used are in huge cities where it costs a fortune to park and drive them.. like New York. Even in Chicago most people just have cars.
I'm just sayin... I wouldn't want to live their. I'm not saying that for arguments sake, a lot of other people i was with talked about it. that we didn't think it would be that bad. It was like an apartment in our inner city, where everyone is on welfare.
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
And the difference between Poland and Estonia, between Italy and Sweden is bigger than between MA and Texas. So you yes, you can compare the RELATIVE data between the whole US and single european states.
B190489 1 year ago
That's just an ignorant thing to say... and again, stop contradicting yourself...
"And you can't compare different european countries with one federal state like the US. UK has a completely other system than France and France has another system than Greece or Poland. "
this is a joke, right?
Bishop153 1 year ago
@Bishop153
This was a typing error. can and not can't. Also you can see it in the second sentence, which is the same what i wrote in my last comment.
Maybe there is a state which is like Ireland or Poland, maybe MA, but there is not a single state in the US which has a welfare system not even like the UK and the U.K isn't a big welfare state like Sweden or Germany.
What about France? They have problems with youths, because of lack of social programs. Welfare payment isn't the main thing.
B190489 1 year ago