glenn beck blames the unions for no jobs in america but its the GOP WHY gop is for a global economy i worked at us steel in 1964 to 76 i remember when china started selling steel in america thats when every thing would'nt south for the american steel makers because china was makeing steel so cheap are steel makers could not keep up being we was now in a global economy us steel want to china so the GOP is to blame because they are for a global economy there OK with china selling shit in america
I don't see how anybody can claim that the unions are the thugs. The Pinkertons were literally thugs hired to beat down union workers that at one time outnumbered the US army. The Homestead Strike is a perfect example, Carnegie was the richest man in the world making record profits, and what does his chairman do? He wants wage cuts, after the workers already suffered recent wage cuts. Hw=e destroys the union cuts wages and goes from 8 to 12 hour shifts. Yea who needs union eh?
unions are killing this country! sooner there put out to pasture the better ! unions was put into place when u.s was the biggest & the best at everything, now there's much,much competition and if you can't compete you die!!! so wake up and fight unionization!! run them out of america. YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHATS HAPPENING. IT'S LIKE EVERYONE KNOWS BUT TO BUSY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNIONS DO BELONG FOR SAFE WORKING PLACE,BUT NOT CONTROL TO RUN JOBS OUT OR WORKERS PAY (Wake UP) take the time
@SanguineBullet667 Really? Are you really that stupid? If Overtime, company paid heallth insurance and company paid pensions are socialist things vs. going back to third world conditions so corporate America can make another billion dollars then I'm all for socialism. Since when has wanting a decent wage and decent benefits become socialist? Since you got brainwashed by rich bastards who seek to bring third world conditions to a city near you.
On the flip side is evil corporate executives who would rather make millions more than perserve the jobs of everday Americans. Oh wait, that is already happening.
@Allante715 You do realize that corporations are required by LAW to make profit for their shareholders right? I mean you aren't just some jackass with no understanding of economics or law are you?
There is a difference between making a decent profit and making an exorbitant profit. These days corporations would rather make that 10% more than save American jobs. Good example being Walmart. They made 25 percent profit selling US made goods in the 80s but they wanted more profit.
I mean you aren`t just some jackass with no understanding of ethics are you?
@Allante715 "There is a difference between making a decent profit and making an exorbitant profit" You have absolutely no moral basis for telling someone else they make too much money. It's simply none of your business how much anyone else makes. The fact that you think it is, shows you to have no understanding of ethics.
Well I sure hope we can all once again live in your view of a perfect world (i.e. The Glided Age). Thankfully your world view is not shared with the majority of Americans and if you were a business man in the 1940`s and 50`s, you would probably be called Un-American and get the boot.
However the lust for exorbitant profits will lead to one of two things; a Revolution or a economic depression. The middle and lower classes can only be squeezed for so long.
@Allante715 "exorbitant profits" The fact that you even utter such a ridiculous phrase is a basis to dismiss anything you have to say on the topic of economics. Unlike many other successful people I am well armed and have actual combat experience. I am quite prepared for thugs likes yourself to try to make good on your threats of violence if you don't get your way.
Apparently you lack the basics skills of reading comprehension. I gave you no threats just a bit of a history lesson.
If you believe that charging 50 dollars for a good manufactured in a third world country for 5 dollars is ethical, than I sure hope you stay far away from me. If you honestly think success is driven entirely on the acquisition of goods and money than you really need to go to church and learn that helping your fellow man counts for something. God you make me sick!
@Allante715 Your whole ideology is a threat of violence. Unions stir up violence against non members on a regular basis. I once had to teach two union thugs a lesson when they decided to threaten me in the parking lot of a business I had a job for when I was in college. They weren't happy with me not joining and told me that they would beat the shit out of me if I didn't.
Who is "your". I am not a member of a union and I am not a blue collar worker. Your propensity to apply sweeping generalizations is arrogant and ignorant. I know of no situation where union members threaten anyone, expect maybe against scabs in a strike situation. Unions are considerably smaller and much more focused than they used to be. The stereotypical union thugs are a thing of the past. Get with the 21st century my friend.
@Allante715 "I know of no situation where union members threaten anyone" Then you don't want to know because I just provided you with my own experience. "The stereotypical union thugs are a thing of the past." You must have missed the dozens of incidents of violence this summer alone perpetrated by SEIU members. But you're not in a union right, so you must not be paying attention. Also nice dodge trying to legitimize violence against anyone crossing your picket line.
@Allante715 Also, why has he never mentioned the violence that union members have historically suffered at the hands of employers? Or the fact that even today companies use intimidation, threats etc against union organizers. Walmart is a perfect example of how horrible many companies have become. It's not about free market trade, it's not about supply and demand, it's about GREED, get everything you can outta employees while screwing them as best as you can.
Unfortunately I believe he is locked up in his effort to maintain ideological purity instead of actually picking up a history book and educating himself. It is just too darn easy to listen to the same old rhetoric and regurgitate and the same old lies and generalizations. It is bloody annoying!
@Allante715 Ye my dad and gandpa were a Union miners who had to fight for a mere 50 cent raise against a companies that were making record profits. GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON A COMPANY THAT WAS MAKING RECORD PROFITS SHOULDN'T GIVE ITS EMPLOYEES A 50 CENT RAISE. I just don't buy the idea that merely saying "free market" entitles companies to treat employees like dirt. Blue collar people are people too. Do you not have a moral compass in your heart?
@nktank84 Companies are not an issue unless they somehow grab ahold of government. Like the big badboys everyone hears about now adays. If it's in a competitive free market. If that company treats it's employees like shit, They will loose alot of employees in turn which they will loose alot of customers.
@Huboons But I bet you've bitched about how much Union Craftsmen make though don't ya? I understand you own a company and you like your workers to make as little as you can get away with. So yea as a company owner you want workers to have as few rights and say on the job. I would really like to know what kind of business you have and what you make or sell. That way I can make sure and keep my UNION SELF and my UNION MONEY away from you and out of your hands.
@nktank84 The term worker betrays your mindless devotion to collectivism. You are not capable of understanding the moral basis of free market economics let alone its practical effects. If you had bothered to think about what you were saying you would understand that if I knew you in a union you wouldn't be ALLOWED to be my client. I simply don't need you, and that's really the issue, you want government to force me to do business with you whether I need your services or not.
@Huboons I know that without restraints free market economics results in sweatshop labor conditions like those in China and everywhere else. Are you saying that it's ok for employers to exploit their employees however and whenever they can? That seems to be your general attitude, THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE DON'T DESERVE SHIT. That's the foundation for your whole attitude, as you plainly stated before. Don't you give a damn about other people besides yourself?
@nktank84 Please don't pretend that you care about anyone in this scenario. Your goal is power pure and simple. This "caring for the common man" garbage is just the emotional bait used to get people to give up their freedom and kneel before your god, the government. You'll find your traditional weapons quite useless on me.
@Huboons All I want is a decent living wage and benefits, and I've got it with my UNION job. I got awsome benefits that aren't tied to any one company, so I don't have to bow down and kiss nobody's ass. No greedy bastard can steal my pension like has been done time and time again. Or lay me off within a year of getting that pension. I care about about the working class people of this country. NOT EVERYBODY HAS SOLD THEIR SOUL TO THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR LIKE YOU HAVE.
@nktank84 "I don't have to bow down and kiss nobody's ass." Other than the union bosses you mean. Unions mismanage and lose their members retirement funds all the time. "I care about about the working class people of this country" No you don't, your just a talking doll with a string in its back. If you so much as questioned one of your union polices you would be forced to be silent with violence. I know, I've seen it first hand, I've been threatened for not joining twice.
@Huboons No I mean I don't kiss nobody's ass. I have a new boss on every job, and sometimes I'm the boss. I have a dispatcher at the Union Hall who calls me for jobs, and guess what? He works for me, because I pay his salary. I've been a Union boilermaker for 8 years, I've got 16,000 hours in the trade and love my job, and I love my union. All this violence crap you are talking about is BULLSHIT. It doesn't happen anymore.
@nktank84 "All this violence crap you are talking about is BULLSHIT. It doesn't happen anymore." What would you call this denial of reality? I guess its to be expected if you "love your union" you simply are not capable of objective observation or rational behavior. One of the reasons you need the threat of violence to have a job.
@Huboons Ok Show me one instance on the news where Union mmen threatened violence to get a job! I worked a job in KS that was half union, half nonunion, NO VIOLENCE, NOWHERE! I work construction, where we literally compete against nonunion boilermakers, HOW IS THAT NOT FREE MARKET? We won a bunch of work this year, how would we do that if we were the lugs you guys claim us to be? We're competing and we're winning here in KS and MO. Your rhetoric is lies pure and simple.
@nktank84 Well besides my own experiences of being threatened, since 1975, the National Institute for Labor Relations Research has collected more than 9,000 reports of union violence. "We won a bunch of work this year" Hardly. You got those jobs due to the ideology of the people approving the contracts and the fact that they were no doubt government contracts where the people spending the money don't have to earn it. Just the opposite of the free market.
@Huboons Nobody ever had to threaten me to give me a job paying more with good benefits. Of course they must be government contracts because union craftsmen could never compete with nonunion eh? WRONG! Actually at St. Mary's KS Westar Energy has 3 big units, they had nonunion build a baghouse a couple years ago, then last year they had us build a baghouse at another one of there plants, and now they got union boilermakers building a baghouse at St. Mary's. How do you explain that?
@nktank84 "Nobody ever had to threaten me to give me a job paying more with good benefits" Uh, no. You're the one doing the threatening if they don't. Secondly, that company is a public utility, in other words, government controlled numb-nuts. I can see why threats of violence are your only means of earning a living, you don't have much going on upstairs. Well, I mean you use your hands rather than your mind to earn a living. That about says it all.
@Huboons Oh so since I'm union I'm now comitting threatening acts? You must be desperate for a good arguement now. You are clearly reaching for more and more outlandish claims and assumtions.WESTAR ENERGY IS NOT A PUBLIC UTILITY, MOST PLANTS ARE PRIVATELY OWNED THESE DAYS. Selling electricity is very prifitable these days. Westar tried nonunion Boilermakers, and came back to us/union labor. WHATS YOUR ANSWER FOR THAT?
@Huboons It's owned by its investors, NOT OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT. In your efforts to bash unions you make many claims, assumtions and false accusations. The most outlandish/foolish is that only government hires union labor because of our gross laziness blah blah blah. But then why do we work in Mid America Power Plants in Iowa? Warren Buffet Owns Mid America by the way. Why is an energy company that tried nonunion labor using union labor now if union labor is so frickin lazy?
@tehatemachine What trade is your dad in? He's right, boilermakers are a different breed altogether. It takes a different kind of man to travel like we do. Most are not faithfulnbut I am trying hard, I love my wife and would hate to lose her. Took me forever to find a woman who could saddle her own damn horse.lol.
@nktank84 Hes a pipe insulator. Forgot hat union he's in, I'm in a union to but i work in a grocery warehouse store. Really the workers aren't to blame though in these situations. I see views from both sides.
@Huboons You failed to answer my question. How can you MORALLY justify a company that's making record profits refusing its workers a mere quarter an hour raise? Especially when they work 2000 ft underground in a mine. Answer me that you greedy piece of crap. There is no other word to describe you, nomatter how you phrase it or justify it. Ambition becomes greed at the point where you become willing to hurt other people to get more money.
@nktank84 Dont like it? Stop working for that company. Or better yet, actually make something of yourself. I have no sympathy for anyone who complains about the voluntary agreement they have entered into with their employer.
@Huboons And if all the companies pay about the same they're just screwed eh? The company decides what the workers should make? I've shown how that works out in my post below, company was making record profits but still tried to screw their workers. How can you justify that morally?
@nktank84 You haven't shown anything other than a decided lack of understanding of supply and demand. The employees who work for that company actually agree with me and not you. How is that possible you say? Because they still choose to work there rather than increase their value to the market. Your desire for higher wages does not supersede the rights of the business owner to run their business as they see fit. Freedom sucks doesn't it?
The turnover rate in private sector companies is very high. It's quite common for people to be at a job for five years or less and then they move on to something else. People don't stay at a job long enough to care about forming a union. For most people who are unhappy with their current job, they have it in their head (right or wrong) that the next job will be better.
Thank you Unions! For weekends off, for child labor laws, for 40 hour work weeks and so much more! Even if you don't belong to, or believe in the power of the union, you still reap the benefits of brave men and women who fought and died for your right to be treated fairly by your employer. Read about the industrial revolution.
@tribedancing "you still reap the benefits" Only if you are an uneducated imbecile. If you have a college education and actually amount to anything you have been getting those things all along. Unions are like a club for the stupid who can't compete. Their only bargaining chip is pay us more or we will become violent.
@Allante715 "So are you trying to say that a tradesman who has spent years honing his craft is stupid?" Or can`t compete?" If he expects government to force people to use his services (which is the goal of unions) yes. That is the very definition of not being able to compete. If he was able to compete he wouldn't need a union.
@Huboons Pretty much everybody benefits from what unions have done in this country. Everything from safety on the jobsite, to weekends, overtime and benefits, it all because of those who came before us and fought for it. I'm Boilermaker (heavy rigger/pressure welder) I know a guy that worked on a boiler at a college and he said that they were disliked by the professers because we make more money than they do. You know why? Because it takes more skill to do what we do.
@nktank84 "Pretty much everybody benefits from what unions have done in this country" No, just the uneducated. lazy and stupid, whose skills hold little value. That you are member of a union who uses his hands rather than his mind to make a living surprises me not at all.
who would have thought, you stop working (for a strike) and your employer fires you. you're employing them to work, not stand around! labor unions make many reasonable demands and then there are many ways that the labor unions abuse the power that they've gained over the past years by demanding things that have nothing to do with a safer work environment or adequate compensation etc. read ANY union handbook or rules thoroughly and you'll quickly learn why they are out of line and burdonsome.
@studiohorizon My father and grandfather were miners who worked 2,000 ft underground. Back in the 70s & 80s ore prices were at record highs, but still my dad had to walk off the job andd fight tooth and nail for a $.25 raise. They had to fight like hell for a damn quarter from a company that was rakin in millions. You hate unions but I bet you still enjoy all the things union labor has done for you. That is unless you just like working 80 hrs a week for straight time.
@nktank84 Unions have done zero for me other than use government as a weapon to steal the results of my productive efforts. I do no business with any company who hires union. I also do not allow anyone in a union on my property nor will I ever.
The only problem with Unions in America is that they've been neutered by the government, Unions in America need to be freed from government influence, read "How to Fire your Boss"
The best thing we could do for ourselves is gain back the threat of becoming competition. Unions in Europe, if they don't like something, may threaten to form a cooperative if all else fails. We should too, pooling resources and going into business for ourselves is a great way to fight back at the socioeconomic level
@FreeTheWorker Unions are for Lame Socialists who are too lazy to band together and form Worker Cooperatives so they beg like dogs on the leesh of the government who cut their balls off. Poor Unions, being such fail must be hard, can't go into business for yourself like Unions in Europe can you? You just don't have the pride.
@FreeTheWorker How are the "neutered" by the government? Yes, please do read this pamphlet and the second paragraph will say so much as to what they want to achieve. Also the fifth paragraph. Just the first sentence. Wow.
@nannyberries LULZ I didn't see him there, he's a Free Market Socialist, those guys hate government involvement in anything. He's bound to have a good answer.
@nannyberries Oh, FreeTheWorker, he's a free market laissez faire socialist libertarian I met the other day on one of Jacob Spinney's videos so I look forward to reading his answer.
@nannyberries That's basically laissez faire capitalism without the capitalist. Labor owns their own businesses and go out and compete in the free market just like normal only there are no wages and what people get paid depends on their company earnings or their individual earnings. Ahhh and the state doesn't exist, or it exists as a purely voluntary opt-in or opt-out system where you don't even have to pay taxes if you opt out of the services.
@Laughingblades I know this is not your belief. Well this sentence is."Labor owns their own businesses and go out and compete in the free market just like normal" I have agreed with you on this, But the rest is, well, goofy? I hope you know what I mean?
@nannyberries I have no problem with labor owning it's own business and competing in the free market, it's the laissez faire libertarianism I question. I don't think Anarchism can work.
@nannyberries Please allow me to explain Laughingblades is a troll who somewhat misrepresents the laissez faire position. We believe that the state does not hold a legitimate monopoly on the right to use force, or in fact a legitimate monopoly on anything. If for instance you live your whole life on a farm and never use roads, the state should have no right to force you under threat of violence to pay a road tax. People would pay for the services they wanted to use, it's as simple as that.
@FreeTheWorker Using the term "Laissez Fair" economics in your system is just a stepping stone to socialism as defined by Carl Marx. The government has an obligation to protect its citizens from the out side and inside attack on its citizens right defined in the Constitution and Bill of rights. NO individual or group has the right to force their position on anybody els. Road should be privatized. As for the farmer example. This dose not hold water. He could not import or export from his property
@nannyberries What I advocate isn't a stepping stone to socialism, according to most it is socialism.
Only I have been told my entire life that socialism is when tyrants and government takes all your money and tells you where to work and what to do. Now I am being told that socialism is when people have freedom of choice and a voice in all areas of their life. Clearly these definitions of socialism are on opposite ends of the scale of liberty.
We don't need a state tyranny to protect ourselves
@FreeTheWorker I do not see Laughingblades as a troll according to the definition of internet troll. As far as a troll in mythology. I do not know if she is a dark and ugly creature that lives in a dark cave or under a bridge. : )
@nannyberries I have been thinking about making a video on free market socialism to explain this. Essentially, what we call Unions today was created by government bureaucrats who created a subsidy program for conservative unions under AFL and CIO models, which for unions meant losing the right to call general strikes or demand worker ownership of firms (the government effectively banned Union Socialism which was popular in the working class press). NRLB recognized unions co-opted the work force.
@FreeTheWorker Todays unions come from The unions getting the democrats to pass legislation to benefit the unions. These legislation's were, un Constitutional and were challenged in the courts. They kept on changing the bills till they finally came to form the national labor relations board. Which is heavily influenced by the unions. So yuo could say that the Constitution limited the unions.
@nannyberries I wish it were that simple, but big government has severely restrained the union, it has put us on a leesh and collar while pretending to free us. Unions are heavily restricted heavily regulated machines now, for all the rights they have so hard won for working class people, many rights were taken away from the unions themselves.
The power and role of US Labor Unions compared to to those in Europe and Canada is almost a pitiful sight heavily rigged against the workers themselves.
@UCSDEngineerDoctor The only parts of Spain that are broke are the ones without big labor, look at Mondragon in Spain to see how it works where labor is big, not all of Spain has an equal economy. I don't know why you even mentioned Greece and Italy, labor has nothing to do with their economic problems.
I guess you just want to blame the workers who create all the wealth for all the economic instability in the world and give the bankers and corporate CEO's some of your tax dollars.
@FreeTheWorker The government is controlled by big labor esp in ITALY & GREECE. Where all the government employees are unionized, & the private sector is bankrupt or taxed to subsidize their salary & pensions. The WSJ reported that GREECE Government UNION employees comprise over over 60% of the entire work force. This is unsustainable. I mention GREECE, because CALIFORNIA is bankrupt in much the same way.
@UCSDEngineerDoctor It can't be helped if tourist nanny states go under when a world wide recession hits but that's not labor's fault, you're misplacing blame.
You know the parts of California that aren't bankrupt? The parts with worker cooperatives. You know the parts of Spain that aren't bankrupt? The parts with worker cooperatives, in fact there is zero poverty in Mondragon.
@UCSDEngineerDoctor It's not the Union's fault, California's Bankruptsy was predicted by economists well in advance under Arnold Schwarzenegger's policies, then the economic collapse hit and the state went into the red. Blaming unions is just stupid and short sighted, you're ignoring everything that's happened and everything that's contributed to the problem. You may as well just blame Islam if you're that stupid.
@FreeTheWorker You are an IDIOT, ARNOLD tried to pass UNION reform, which has handily rejected by the UNION workers, due to the UNIONs using their dues to buy ads against the propositions using scare tactics, saying our kids will suffer. Unlike the FEDERAL government, CALIFORNIA cannot print money for all the bribes the democrats up in SACRAMENTO whoring out to the UNIONs. Its like I take taxpayer money hand it out to you, & you give me some back or vote for me back in office.
@FreeTheWorker All of California is bankrupt, because the government of CALIFORNIA has no money. The only people not bankrupt are people that can still make or produce something the consumer wants to buy. Like APPLE or GOOGLE. The people of CA do not want to be taxed for more jail guards, cops, & teachers with their UNIONs & pensions to babysit a bunch of ILLEGALS. The whole ENTIRE country of SPAIN is bankrupt, like ITALY & GREECE, which has a HUGE UNION bureaucracy that is unsustainable.
@UCSDEngineerDoctor That's a gross over generalization. The state is bankrupt, not every community and not every Californian. Co-op workers are generally doing well in comparison with the rest of the state. You know why? Because for years all the money has been funneled up and out, away from the hands of working class Americans, and California's economy, and the entire American economy was a house of cards.
Mondragon in Spain isn't bankrupt, it has no poverty. Unions didn't cause the problem.
@FreeTheWorker All of our taxes goes up to SACRAMENTO. It is not dispersed locally, therefore the entire State of CA is bankrupt. You are a fucking moron. Its like saying everybody around me is broke, lost their job, their house is in foreclosure, but I am not, means UNIONs are not responsible for CA bankruptcy. What kind of lunacy is this? You are truly a poster child for the insane. UNIONIZE all you want, dont expect the taxpayer to pay for your salary.
@UCSDEngineerDoctor That's because their is no central agency overseeing the EU'S economy and we have an older population so economic growth slows down
@Luis568369 Another government bureaucracy? Are you on crack? How wonder stimulus was an EPIC FAILURE. This is why GREECE, ITALY, & SPAIN are insolvent, everybody works for the government like the COPS, POSTAL SERVICE, or some DMV CUBICLE HAMSTER - the kind of job OBAMA wants to grow. These are TAX JOBS creating no revenue. Hence more taxes, more state deficits, higher tuition - until the private sector of small businesses & the middle class is bankrupt, just like the state of CALIFORNIA!!!
@UCSDEngineerDoctor You don't understand you have a central bank as Americans that prints money and is in charge of government loans we Europeans don't have a central bank why do you think everybody is asking France and Germany for a bailout because their is no bank that can initiate it their are 27 country's in the EU with no central bank to respond to probloms were going to surface
@Luis568369 France will be broke like GREECE. The only country not broke is GERMANY, because they actually make something the world buys, rather than just print money & hand it out to its UNION government workers. Europe have a central bank its called the EUROPEAN UNION & its currency the EURO - which basically denigrates GERMANY monetary value so the EUROPEAN ELITISTS can funnel it to bail out GREECE, ITALY, & SPAIN. Basically taxing the people of GERMANY for a mess they did not create.
@UCSDEngineerDoctor FRANCE is a major exporter in the world and i'm sure we don't have a central bank and Germany's unions are very powerful they help elect the CEO of the company and everybody will need to have tax hicks and cut social programs if we want to continue to have the EU
@Luis568369 Every country exports you moron, when your country exports or makes less than what your country can afford - you are screwed & your country becomes GREECE. Germany has local trade UNIONs, but these UNIONs do not tax its people to pay its workers salary, healthcare, or pensions. Every worker must pitch in with their own money for benefits, thus they have to work hard to make something the free market will buy, this is how UNIONs should work rather that bankrupt the TAXPAYER.
@UCSDEngineerDoctor Yes every country exports you idiot but not at the level of France which is predicted overtake the German economy and i'm not French i'm Dutch and you just want to argue i see your no longer screaming about the EU having a central bank and no they dont ask for healthcare becuase they have universal healthcare
@Luis568369 You are right, the people of GERMANY are going to be TAXED for GREECE's STUPIDITY. Germany's social security will be cut so they can funnel that money to GREECE's wealthy UNION bosses.
@UCSDEngineerDoctor And we will have to cut our welfare system for the time being since we have an aging population Germany docent have Union bosses they have a Betriebsräte or work council
This lady teaches this? 50+1 telling 49 you HAVE to join. She dose not mention these (Walsh-Healey (1936) Fair Labor Standards Act (1938)) and the reasons for these two acts. Learn a little more "real news" (A History of Labor Unions from Colonial Times to 2009) by Morgan Reynolds, on the site of Ludwig von Mises Institute. The 1935 act says only unions can strike and not an individual. Just left their job???? sounds like quitting their job, to me anyway. She is so full of holes in her comment.
Maybe if the Serfs who produce all the grain stopped asking the barons for better shares of bread and shared ownership over their own damn bakery they'd be better off.
Unions have become lazy, concerned only with themselves to the detriment of all labor, union and non-union. The union bosses are greedy dues collectors.
They should get out and organize more workers. The middle class is disappearing.
unions control of business hurts america, american unions was put in place when america was the only game in town, now there's so many other countries building things and beating our prices, unions set prices who's hired and fired making business unable to compete,businesses in america must have control or manufacturing won't come back
I've read elsewhere that some people want to destroy the unions and go back to the "Good Ol' America". I say they are morons that do not realize how America worked before all the reforms in the 1920's. Long hours, little pay, and your boss really was an asshole since he sent thugs to kick your teeth in if you even complained.
@gopconservative78 No unions fight for workers rights. They were created in the early 1900's as a way to give us better working conditions, fair wages, and vacations hourse. You just need to pay more attention in history class.
@gopconservative78 They do not do a single thing you claim they do you fucking liar. Name one boy scott who was beat up by unions! Name one child raped by them! Build crap? What do you mean by that?
@CJbass420 sure they do, a bunch of SEIU scumbags beat the shit out of a boyscout in Allentown, PA in 2008.....you protect child molesters (Teachers), Build crappy cars, and support illegal immigrants and terrorists
@gopconservative78 Teachers are not child molesters you fucking moron! You are mentally insane! Far more priests commit child molestation then teachers. Most situations with teachers are high school students who are willing, therefore it's not molestation it's a sexual encounter. I highly doubt they support terrorists either, thats just ridiculous bullshit. Also they don't build cars, CAR COMPANIES build cars. Unions exist to fight for workers rights.
@CJbass420 Yeah, sure they do liberal boy. Sure they do. Eventually, they will take down every business. When there's no business, there are no jobs. No jobs, no money. No money means no food or shelter. No food or shelter, Soviet Union all over again.
Libtards need to study the correct history before being able to vote. Maybe if morons weren't allowed to vote, Obama wouldn't have been elected. Voting should be a right to the properly educated ones, not a morons.
@gamefreak1000000 Hahahaha oh my god you're insane! You actually think they want us all without jobs, hahaha! I'm not a liberal I'm an independant you liar. Remember it's the idiot conservatives who voted for the scumbag bush and he's even worse then obama and that saying something because obama sucks!
@CJbass420 Sorry, but Obama is actually WORSE than Bush. Unemployment is higher than ANY president in the U.S. He spend almost as much money as Bush has during his whole 8 years and he didn't even serve his first term. If you even bothered doing the research and looking at the numbers and charts, you'd notice that Obama has done more bad to the economy than Bush has. You may be an independent, but you get your sources from a bunch of libtards who can't even maintain a lemonade stand,
It is easy to tear down the first black president when things don't turn around. If Obama loses in 2012, which it looks like he will, people will call him the worst president ever. Muhammad Ali said that would happen back in an interview in the 1970's. ALi compared it to a captain inviting a black galley worker up and letting him run the ship. The black man is thinking, "they are going to let me run the ship?" "Oh, the ship must me sinking." That is the position Obama is in.
@Mr40acresandamule Obama is the worst president ever not only because he's black, but because the unemployment rate is much higher when he was in office than when Bush was in office. Look kid, you need to get your facts right if oyu want to argue with me because I have no time to waste with the likes of you. Either educate yourself or shut up!
@gamefreak1000000 Nope. Bush tripeled the national debt, started that unemployement downfall, started a war in Iraq for oil, created the no child left behind act, failed to stop the most devastating terrorist attack this nation has ever seen. I also do not get my information from any biased liberal media's you however get your from biased conservative networks like fox. All politicians lie, left right and inbetween, your just too blind to see it. It might be from your ego.
@gamefreak1000000 Amen, I've always said I dont want to live in a country where liberals make decisions.
They make their decisions on there emotions and feelings. Theres no intellectual foundation there, so how can the out-come be legit? It cant and don't get me started on unions. If I were president I would make them illegal. Espically the ones in the public sector.
@fargonbastedge Here's an intellectual thought to counter balance all their stupidity.
What if the workers, the people who produce all the wealth, pooled that wealth at the Union Level, opened their own worker owned businesses, made coalitions where they supported eachother, and made heavy use of advertising to encourage people to buy from their cooperative markets?
Well then maybe we'd see better working conditions pay and hours for everyone. Naw that would be socialism, like in Europe.
@fargonbastedge Oh yes, the ones deliberately sabotaged by the world bank had an economic crises when the American economy collapsed and the Greeks Rioted because Germany didn't give them the aid that it's always given them.
Funny I don't see Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Germany, New Zealand, or Norway in your little list? Gee I wonder why that is. Why are the more capitalist and corporatist European countries the ones hurting and not the more socialist leaning ones?
@Laughingblades I agree when capitalist America sneezes all the weaker socialist nations in the world cant afford it to sustain there worthless lazy bum population and go bankrupt and riot.
@fargonbastedge Haha you wish, truth is Capitalists are the bitch of multinational corporations in America, oh wait you probably don't know what capitalism is. Anyway yeah, I know right, all those countries around Scandinavia and the Baltic Sea with all their socialism sure are shaking at the sneeze of our failing economy aren't they?
Wait, their economies have grown and their average standards of living have improved while we saw record unemployment? Well I'll be damned.
@fargonbastedge Oh yes those prosperous countries with healthy stable economies, generally happy people, low unemployment, practically no homelessness, very little crime, they're all the bitch of some failed communist state that only even called itself socialist as a propaganda term of political convenience to gain the support and complacency of the workers.
And Germany is such a small, small country, so small. And as we know, all that matters is who's is biggest, not who's works best.
@Laughingblades the baltic states are not a paradise like your describing. They have a lower standard of living than America. Your retarded and stop spamming my inbox.
@fargonbastedge Yes they're all just horrible, horrible places, with terrible standards of living. Why Denmark must be the unhappiest place on earth, after all it is a dismal damp and dreary country that's constantly cold...
Wait it's shown in several international studies to be the happiest nation on the planet? Practically everyone in Denmark belongs to social clubs? Even those who work with sewage rate their job satisfaction highly due to the many benefits they receive? That can't be right
@nannyberries Aye I'm all for the Unions. They elevate the quality of life for everyone except the very rich, except in America, where the wealthy essentially waged class warfare against working class people.
There was a time in America when the American People considered the idea of going to work to make another man rich repugnant. The Republican Party ran on a platform that Wage Labor was Wage Slavery it took two wars & the nationalization of industry & the Red Scare to get capitalism adopted
@Laughingblades What time was that? Where and how did it take that to get capitalism adopted? I feel the unions in this country have done nothing good that did not benefit them and their bosses directly. Also claim to have gotten the 40 hour work week and sweat shops, child labor gone. Thats just for starters.
@nannyberries Back in the early to mid 19'th century, and capitalism wasn't officially adopted, it just consolidated it's power during the war and made itself the defacto system, rich capitalists found themselves in control of the media and with enough wealth to influence government.
But yeah, let's blame the Unions. 9% holds more wealth than the rest of us combined or that 1% owns 40% of the world, and that the country is owned by corporations and banks, but blame the workers.
@Laughingblades Capitalism was never "officially adopted". It actually came from the Free Market system, in way of merchants. 1600 - 1790 called semi-capitalist economy, and grew from there. The government consolidated the factories for the war effort. Control of media and influenced government, yes and is how corpritism grew, but was not Constitutional.
@nannyberries Capitalism isn't much different from feudalism, you could technically say it goes back much further, all the way to Rome in fact if you want to exclude feudalism. Capitalism is distinguished primarily by private control over the work place, again don't confuse it with free market that's not what the word means.
If you want to split hairs and say America was never truly capitalist despite an abundance of private owners, ok, the American people still forgot where they stood on labor
@Laughingblades The Free Market dose have capitalist in it., even if you have one owner and one worker. In America in colonial times, they did not want unions and were afraid of them. America was an open society and the unions were a threat to that. In the earliest they wanted what was called a closed shop. Violence was their main tool to accomplish this.
@nannyberries Free Market has capitalists in it, but a free market is not necessarily capitalist, nor is capitalism necessarily free market. Capitalism is private ownership of the work place and means of production it's a bureaucratic monopolization of the work place, to any extent that worker freedom exists under this system it is very limited as long as the capitalist maintains power over the worker. And the Unions were no more violent than the Capitalists look at how capitalists treated labor
@Laughingblades I think we have been agreeing on the Free Market and Capitalism thing. I am looking for something I read for the last part of that comment.
@Laughingblades This is what I said. Control of media and influenced government, yes and is how corpritism grew, but was not Constitutional. Nothing about corporations being un Constitutional.
@Laughingblades If you were talking ownership as control of media, agreed. Influence on the government by bribes and the sort no. The government doing businesses favors and working in each others pockets , no. No meaning un Constitutional.
@nannyberries Oh yeah you're right bribery of the government was treason in fact those early capitalists and corporatists were playing a dangerous game, not like today where they can can bribe politicians openly and even make a show of it like BP did when buying politicians to give them tax dollars to steal oil out of the gulf and sell it back to us. They were shaking hands and everything.
@Laughingblades I know and that makes me mad. Look at all the money from the bail out going to failing companies and to companies that have relatives and investment in those companies. You would think there would be a good constitutional lawyer to fight this.
@Laughingblades I just found what you said to free the worker and it was market as spam. Do not see why. But that statement shows me a little more of what you are talking about.
@Laughingblades I do not in any way blame the workers. From investors to the man that bushes a broom. I partially blame the public sector unions for a lot of drain on the system. For their tactics and using government money to donate to the candidate of their choice. Talk about spreading the wealth. $8,820,000,000 is a conservative figure amount that the unions took in union fees for 2010. Dennis Van Roekel Made $397,721,
@nannyberries Yes certainly it is the fault of the public sector that the rich kick the door shut for the poor. After all, there is nothing inherent in the greed of man that would lead one man, with control of a vast army of workers, to hoard vast quantities of wealth, and use that wealth to rig the system against the workers and against anyone who would ever dare compete. Or wait, is there?
Consider this, if there were no capitalist there could be no unions.
@Laughingblades No unions, but what about freedoms. What would be the result of no capitalists and what would fill the void? Greedy men controlling workers and money? If there were no unions, there would still be capitalists. So the unions should be happy that there are capitalists. : )
@nannyberries No, in a Worker's Democracy workers would collaborate to start companies and industries, they would democratically elect managers based on management skills if needed for larger companies, or participate in direct democracy in smaller ones. They would fill the void themselves. Don't mistake workers for being stupid and lazy and unable to fill the roles of the capitalist, everything the capitalist does the workers can do, except take excessive shares of the wealth generated by labor
@Laughingblades I have worked with enough stupid and lazy workers. But yes, that is not all the workers. What ever the workers can do the capitalist can do too. The workers will have a hard time not becoming a capitalist. I think we can both agree that humans are fallible. Also with your system, there should be no excessive wealth. There should not even be a value system. Once you put a value on something you increase greed.
@nannyberries The capitalist CAN do what the workers can do, but that kind of misses the point. The capitalist is not only an unnecessary relic who rules like a feudal lord over his peasants, he can grow without end without his workers ever getting richer, like a tick feeding off the backs of labor, and he is often removed from the individual skills and needs of the worker. Plus he gets between labor and wages, which can lead to labor expecting too much or being undervalued.
@Laughingblades Looking at another writing and capitalism was given this definition among others but I saw the rest as being a free market idea. This right hear would not go well with the Constitution of the United States.(e) a political process whereby economic power can become translated into governmental policy;
@nannyberries ;) Free markets can exist under feudalism, capitalism, socialism, or heck even communism if you don't mind going back to the barter system (as much as communists may protest that statement their ideology is more naive than laissez faire ideals).
@Laughingblades I was under a different idea. That capitalism is part of all the others because of the capital. You need capital to do business or something. The stick you use to spear the fish, is capital.
@nannyberries But capital is an ancient invention, one of the oldest economic inventions after the barter system. It doesn't rely on capitalism, capital can exist in any economic system that doesn't call for the abolition of current, IE, The Venus Project, Communism, to an extent Technocracy but it transitions capital to some sort of energy credit based system. But pretty much any other system involves capital, even most forms of socialism.
@Laughingblades Joseph T Hansen $360,737 in 2009, Gerald McEntee $479,328 in 2009, Randi Weingarten $428,284, Check out union facts dot com. Unions are a corporation and should be treated as such.
what is facism? like socialism or corportism its not allways the same in every time period or situation.the early roman facist were more of a cooperative, or musalinis facism was a form of dictorial totalism ,as there is many different democraceys ect so too there is different facism. in the us today id say the closest thing too it is being republican with a corporate right media fox, beck, orielly trump pallin gingridge .extreme me me brain washed rightyies .
response2 tsharpmac420. more people more laws, thats civcil society, corporations love laws, long as it dont effect them. infringment of rights? dont tax the billionaires so the less fortunate dont have schooling.,back too the coal mines or no universal medicare ?. it wasnt the left that ruined the usa econemy,post regan mulrooney thatcher capitilism is a form of darwinism backed by right wing corporate christian fundies, but these lions dont stop eating when there full .like darwinists
right cant govern,control money proof.usa wouldnt be screwedup.now ,because of deregulation a,let the market do it attitude and a a corporate biased right wing media ,a me me my my corporate brain washed public ,where even the people hurting ,are so brain washed too vote against things that will help them. now i know where they got the script for trailer park boys,or the saying red necks. the key? balance .the usa needs another party a left one ,got middle, kinda got right=wrong ,wakeup
no room2 reply totaly. usa canada since free trd wto globilization especially since reganism thatcherism mulroneyism+ the disastrous bush eras,+the colapse of the german wall, we got extreme right wing secretive runnaway call it what U want , totalariesm facism mainly corportism, the big guys control the little guys kinda like before 1913 the factorie fires and unions ect + now got abiased right winged corporate media . + forget 1st bailout ? now #2? right cnt govern
From 3:00 on she babbles on about union workers who go on strike being permanently replaced ( not fired ). What she doesn't take into account are the union workers who have no desire to go on strike, who go on strike to avoid repercussions from their union . The union members who are perfectly happy with the deal that they've got are rendered mute . The union leaders, who get paid regardless of whether the union members are working or not, quell dissent by calling those union members anti-union
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glenn beck blames the unions for no jobs in america but its the GOP WHY gop is for a global economy i worked at us steel in 1964 to 76 i remember when china started selling steel in america thats when every thing would'nt south for the american steel makers because china was makeing steel so cheap are steel makers could not keep up being we was now in a global economy us steel want to china so the GOP is to blame because they are for a global economy there OK with china selling shit in america
798unionpipeliner 4 days ago
I don't see how anybody can claim that the unions are the thugs. The Pinkertons were literally thugs hired to beat down union workers that at one time outnumbered the US army. The Homestead Strike is a perfect example, Carnegie was the richest man in the world making record profits, and what does his chairman do? He wants wage cuts, after the workers already suffered recent wage cuts. Hw=e destroys the union cuts wages and goes from 8 to 12 hour shifts. Yea who needs union eh?
nktank84 1 week ago
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unions are killing this country! sooner there put out to pasture the better ! unions was put into place when u.s was the biggest & the best at everything, now there's much,much competition and if you can't compete you die!!! so wake up and fight unionization!! run them out of america. YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHATS HAPPENING. IT'S LIKE EVERYONE KNOWS BUT TO BUSY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNIONS DO BELONG FOR SAFE WORKING PLACE,BUT NOT CONTROL TO RUN JOBS OUT OR WORKERS PAY (Wake UP) take the time
hotrod4you2 1 month ago
Unions are evil corrupt organizations who seek to plant the seed of Socialism in America. Ban them all.
SanguineBullet667 1 month ago
@SanguineBullet667 Really? Are you really that stupid? If Overtime, company paid heallth insurance and company paid pensions are socialist things vs. going back to third world conditions so corporate America can make another billion dollars then I'm all for socialism. Since when has wanting a decent wage and decent benefits become socialist? Since you got brainwashed by rich bastards who seek to bring third world conditions to a city near you.
nktank84 1 month ago
@SanguineBullet667
On the flip side is evil corporate executives who would rather make millions more than perserve the jobs of everday Americans. Oh wait, that is already happening.
Allante715 3 weeks ago
@Allante715 You do realize that corporations are required by LAW to make profit for their shareholders right? I mean you aren't just some jackass with no understanding of economics or law are you?
Huboons 3 weeks ago
@Huboons
There is a difference between making a decent profit and making an exorbitant profit. These days corporations would rather make that 10% more than save American jobs. Good example being Walmart. They made 25 percent profit selling US made goods in the 80s but they wanted more profit.
I mean you aren`t just some jackass with no understanding of ethics are you?
Allante715 3 weeks ago
@Allante715 "There is a difference between making a decent profit and making an exorbitant profit" You have absolutely no moral basis for telling someone else they make too much money. It's simply none of your business how much anyone else makes. The fact that you think it is, shows you to have no understanding of ethics.
Huboons 3 weeks ago
@Huboons
Well I sure hope we can all once again live in your view of a perfect world (i.e. The Glided Age). Thankfully your world view is not shared with the majority of Americans and if you were a business man in the 1940`s and 50`s, you would probably be called Un-American and get the boot.
However the lust for exorbitant profits will lead to one of two things; a Revolution or a economic depression. The middle and lower classes can only be squeezed for so long.
Allante715 3 weeks ago
@Allante715 "exorbitant profits" The fact that you even utter such a ridiculous phrase is a basis to dismiss anything you have to say on the topic of economics. Unlike many other successful people I am well armed and have actual combat experience. I am quite prepared for thugs likes yourself to try to make good on your threats of violence if you don't get your way.
Huboons 3 weeks ago
@Huboons
Apparently you lack the basics skills of reading comprehension. I gave you no threats just a bit of a history lesson.
If you believe that charging 50 dollars for a good manufactured in a third world country for 5 dollars is ethical, than I sure hope you stay far away from me. If you honestly think success is driven entirely on the acquisition of goods and money than you really need to go to church and learn that helping your fellow man counts for something. God you make me sick!
Allante715 2 weeks ago
@Allante715 Your whole ideology is a threat of violence. Unions stir up violence against non members on a regular basis. I once had to teach two union thugs a lesson when they decided to threaten me in the parking lot of a business I had a job for when I was in college. They weren't happy with me not joining and told me that they would beat the shit out of me if I didn't.
Huboons 2 weeks ago
@Huboons
Nice job completing side stepping my comment.
Allante715 2 weeks ago
@Huboons
Who is "your". I am not a member of a union and I am not a blue collar worker. Your propensity to apply sweeping generalizations is arrogant and ignorant. I know of no situation where union members threaten anyone, expect maybe against scabs in a strike situation. Unions are considerably smaller and much more focused than they used to be. The stereotypical union thugs are a thing of the past. Get with the 21st century my friend.
Allante715 2 weeks ago
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@Allante715 "I know of no situation where union members threaten anyone" Then you don't want to know because I just provided you with my own experience. "The stereotypical union thugs are a thing of the past." You must have missed the dozens of incidents of violence this summer alone perpetrated by SEIU members. But you're not in a union right, so you must not be paying attention. Also nice dodge trying to legitimize violence against anyone crossing your picket line.
Huboons 2 weeks ago
@Allante715 Also, why has he never mentioned the violence that union members have historically suffered at the hands of employers? Or the fact that even today companies use intimidation, threats etc against union organizers. Walmart is a perfect example of how horrible many companies have become. It's not about free market trade, it's not about supply and demand, it's about GREED, get everything you can outta employees while screwing them as best as you can.
nktank84 2 weeks ago
@nktank84
Unfortunately I believe he is locked up in his effort to maintain ideological purity instead of actually picking up a history book and educating himself. It is just too darn easy to listen to the same old rhetoric and regurgitate and the same old lies and generalizations. It is bloody annoying!
Allante715 2 weeks ago
@Allante715 Ye my dad and gandpa were a Union miners who had to fight for a mere 50 cent raise against a companies that were making record profits. GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON A COMPANY THAT WAS MAKING RECORD PROFITS SHOULDN'T GIVE ITS EMPLOYEES A 50 CENT RAISE. I just don't buy the idea that merely saying "free market" entitles companies to treat employees like dirt. Blue collar people are people too. Do you not have a moral compass in your heart?
nktank84 1 week ago
@nktank84 Companies are not an issue unless they somehow grab ahold of government. Like the big badboys everyone hears about now adays. If it's in a competitive free market. If that company treats it's employees like shit, They will loose alot of employees in turn which they will loose alot of customers.
tehatemachine 1 week ago
@Huboons But I bet you've bitched about how much Union Craftsmen make though don't ya? I understand you own a company and you like your workers to make as little as you can get away with. So yea as a company owner you want workers to have as few rights and say on the job. I would really like to know what kind of business you have and what you make or sell. That way I can make sure and keep my UNION SELF and my UNION MONEY away from you and out of your hands.
nktank84 3 weeks ago
@nktank84 The term worker betrays your mindless devotion to collectivism. You are not capable of understanding the moral basis of free market economics let alone its practical effects. If you had bothered to think about what you were saying you would understand that if I knew you in a union you wouldn't be ALLOWED to be my client. I simply don't need you, and that's really the issue, you want government to force me to do business with you whether I need your services or not.
Huboons 3 weeks ago
@Huboons I know that without restraints free market economics results in sweatshop labor conditions like those in China and everywhere else. Are you saying that it's ok for employers to exploit their employees however and whenever they can? That seems to be your general attitude, THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE DON'T DESERVE SHIT. That's the foundation for your whole attitude, as you plainly stated before. Don't you give a damn about other people besides yourself?
nktank84 2 weeks ago
@nktank84 Please don't pretend that you care about anyone in this scenario. Your goal is power pure and simple. This "caring for the common man" garbage is just the emotional bait used to get people to give up their freedom and kneel before your god, the government. You'll find your traditional weapons quite useless on me.
Huboons 2 weeks ago
@Huboons All I want is a decent living wage and benefits, and I've got it with my UNION job. I got awsome benefits that aren't tied to any one company, so I don't have to bow down and kiss nobody's ass. No greedy bastard can steal my pension like has been done time and time again. Or lay me off within a year of getting that pension. I care about about the working class people of this country. NOT EVERYBODY HAS SOLD THEIR SOUL TO THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR LIKE YOU HAVE.
nktank84 2 weeks ago
@nktank84 "I don't have to bow down and kiss nobody's ass." Other than the union bosses you mean. Unions mismanage and lose their members retirement funds all the time. "I care about about the working class people of this country" No you don't, your just a talking doll with a string in its back. If you so much as questioned one of your union polices you would be forced to be silent with violence. I know, I've seen it first hand, I've been threatened for not joining twice.
Huboons 2 weeks ago
@Huboons No I mean I don't kiss nobody's ass. I have a new boss on every job, and sometimes I'm the boss. I have a dispatcher at the Union Hall who calls me for jobs, and guess what? He works for me, because I pay his salary. I've been a Union boilermaker for 8 years, I've got 16,000 hours in the trade and love my job, and I love my union. All this violence crap you are talking about is BULLSHIT. It doesn't happen anymore.
nktank84 2 weeks ago
@nktank84 "All this violence crap you are talking about is BULLSHIT. It doesn't happen anymore." What would you call this denial of reality? I guess its to be expected if you "love your union" you simply are not capable of objective observation or rational behavior. One of the reasons you need the threat of violence to have a job.
Huboons 2 weeks ago
@Huboons Ok Show me one instance on the news where Union mmen threatened violence to get a job! I worked a job in KS that was half union, half nonunion, NO VIOLENCE, NOWHERE! I work construction, where we literally compete against nonunion boilermakers, HOW IS THAT NOT FREE MARKET? We won a bunch of work this year, how would we do that if we were the lugs you guys claim us to be? We're competing and we're winning here in KS and MO. Your rhetoric is lies pure and simple.
nktank84 1 week ago
@nktank84 Well besides my own experiences of being threatened, since 1975, the National Institute for Labor Relations Research has collected more than 9,000 reports of union violence. "We won a bunch of work this year" Hardly. You got those jobs due to the ideology of the people approving the contracts and the fact that they were no doubt government contracts where the people spending the money don't have to earn it. Just the opposite of the free market.
Huboons 1 week ago
@Huboons Nobody ever had to threaten me to give me a job paying more with good benefits. Of course they must be government contracts because union craftsmen could never compete with nonunion eh? WRONG! Actually at St. Mary's KS Westar Energy has 3 big units, they had nonunion build a baghouse a couple years ago, then last year they had us build a baghouse at another one of there plants, and now they got union boilermakers building a baghouse at St. Mary's. How do you explain that?
nktank84 1 week ago
@nktank84 "Nobody ever had to threaten me to give me a job paying more with good benefits" Uh, no. You're the one doing the threatening if they don't. Secondly, that company is a public utility, in other words, government controlled numb-nuts. I can see why threats of violence are your only means of earning a living, you don't have much going on upstairs. Well, I mean you use your hands rather than your mind to earn a living. That about says it all.
Huboons 1 week ago
@Huboons Oh so since I'm union I'm now comitting threatening acts? You must be desperate for a good arguement now. You are clearly reaching for more and more outlandish claims and assumtions.WESTAR ENERGY IS NOT A PUBLIC UTILITY, MOST PLANTS ARE PRIVATELY OWNED THESE DAYS. Selling electricity is very prifitable these days. Westar tried nonunion Boilermakers, and came back to us/union labor. WHATS YOUR ANSWER FOR THAT?
nktank84 1 week ago
@nktank84 "WESTAR ENERGY IS NOT A PUBLIC UTILITY" yes it is.
Huboons 1 week ago
@Huboons It's owned by its investors, NOT OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT. In your efforts to bash unions you make many claims, assumtions and false accusations. The most outlandish/foolish is that only government hires union labor because of our gross laziness blah blah blah. But then why do we work in Mid America Power Plants in Iowa? Warren Buffet Owns Mid America by the way. Why is an energy company that tried nonunion labor using union labor now if union labor is so frickin lazy?
nktank84 1 week ago
@nktank84 My dad is in the union to. And he told me to stay away from boilermakers cause of strange things people hear about you guys. Just kidding.
tehatemachine 1 week ago
@tehatemachine What trade is your dad in? He's right, boilermakers are a different breed altogether. It takes a different kind of man to travel like we do. Most are not faithfulnbut I am trying hard, I love my wife and would hate to lose her. Took me forever to find a woman who could saddle her own damn horse.lol.
nktank84 1 week ago
@nktank84 Hes a pipe insulator. Forgot hat union he's in, I'm in a union to but i work in a grocery warehouse store. Really the workers aren't to blame though in these situations. I see views from both sides.
tehatemachine 1 week ago
@Huboons You failed to answer my question. How can you MORALLY justify a company that's making record profits refusing its workers a mere quarter an hour raise? Especially when they work 2000 ft underground in a mine. Answer me that you greedy piece of crap. There is no other word to describe you, nomatter how you phrase it or justify it. Ambition becomes greed at the point where you become willing to hurt other people to get more money.
nktank84 2 weeks ago
@nktank84 Dont like it? Stop working for that company. Or better yet, actually make something of yourself. I have no sympathy for anyone who complains about the voluntary agreement they have entered into with their employer.
Huboons 2 weeks ago
@Huboons And if all the companies pay about the same they're just screwed eh? The company decides what the workers should make? I've shown how that works out in my post below, company was making record profits but still tried to screw their workers. How can you justify that morally?
nktank84 2 weeks ago
@nktank84 You haven't shown anything other than a decided lack of understanding of supply and demand. The employees who work for that company actually agree with me and not you. How is that possible you say? Because they still choose to work there rather than increase their value to the market. Your desire for higher wages does not supersede the rights of the business owner to run their business as they see fit. Freedom sucks doesn't it?
Huboons 2 weeks ago
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The turnover rate in private sector companies is very high. It's quite common for people to be at a job for five years or less and then they move on to something else. People don't stay at a job long enough to care about forming a union. For most people who are unhappy with their current job, they have it in their head (right or wrong) that the next job will be better.
davidmbrindisi 1 month ago
Thank you Unions! For weekends off, for child labor laws, for 40 hour work weeks and so much more! Even if you don't belong to, or believe in the power of the union, you still reap the benefits of brave men and women who fought and died for your right to be treated fairly by your employer. Read about the industrial revolution.
tribedancing 1 month ago
@tribedancing "you still reap the benefits" Only if you are an uneducated imbecile. If you have a college education and actually amount to anything you have been getting those things all along. Unions are like a club for the stupid who can't compete. Their only bargaining chip is pay us more or we will become violent.
Huboons 3 weeks ago
@Huboons
So are you trying to say that a tradesman who has spent years honing his craft is stupid? Or can`t compete? Honestly?
Allante715 3 weeks ago
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@Allante715 "So are you trying to say that a tradesman who has spent years honing his craft is stupid?" Or can`t compete?" If he expects government to force people to use his services (which is the goal of unions) yes. That is the very definition of not being able to compete. If he was able to compete he wouldn't need a union.
Huboons 3 weeks ago
@Huboons Pretty much everybody benefits from what unions have done in this country. Everything from safety on the jobsite, to weekends, overtime and benefits, it all because of those who came before us and fought for it. I'm Boilermaker (heavy rigger/pressure welder) I know a guy that worked on a boiler at a college and he said that they were disliked by the professers because we make more money than they do. You know why? Because it takes more skill to do what we do.
nktank84 3 weeks ago
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@nktank84 "Pretty much everybody benefits from what unions have done in this country" No, just the uneducated. lazy and stupid, whose skills hold little value. That you are member of a union who uses his hands rather than his mind to make a living surprises me not at all.
Huboons 3 weeks ago
who would have thought, you stop working (for a strike) and your employer fires you. you're employing them to work, not stand around! labor unions make many reasonable demands and then there are many ways that the labor unions abuse the power that they've gained over the past years by demanding things that have nothing to do with a safer work environment or adequate compensation etc. read ANY union handbook or rules thoroughly and you'll quickly learn why they are out of line and burdonsome.
studiohorizon 1 month ago
@studiohorizon My father and grandfather were miners who worked 2,000 ft underground. Back in the 70s & 80s ore prices were at record highs, but still my dad had to walk off the job andd fight tooth and nail for a $.25 raise. They had to fight like hell for a damn quarter from a company that was rakin in millions. You hate unions but I bet you still enjoy all the things union labor has done for you. That is unless you just like working 80 hrs a week for straight time.
nktank84 1 month ago
@nktank84 Unions have done zero for me other than use government as a weapon to steal the results of my productive efforts. I do no business with any company who hires union. I also do not allow anyone in a union on my property nor will I ever.
Huboons 3 weeks ago
check out my vid on unions
TheFleaParty 3 months ago
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Laughingblades 3 months ago
The only problem with Unions in America is that they've been neutered by the government, Unions in America need to be freed from government influence, read "How to Fire your Boss"
The best thing we could do for ourselves is gain back the threat of becoming competition. Unions in Europe, if they don't like something, may threaten to form a cooperative if all else fails. We should too, pooling resources and going into business for ourselves is a great way to fight back at the socioeconomic level
FreeTheWorker 3 months ago
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@FreeTheWorker Unions are for Lame Socialists who are too lazy to band together and form Worker Cooperatives so they beg like dogs on the leesh of the government who cut their balls off. Poor Unions, being such fail must be hard, can't go into business for yourself like Unions in Europe can you? You just don't have the pride.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades You are just trolling
FreeTheWorker 3 months ago
@FreeTheWorker How are the "neutered" by the government? Yes, please do read this pamphlet and the second paragraph will say so much as to what they want to achieve. Also the fifth paragraph. Just the first sentence. Wow.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries LULZ I didn't see him there, he's a Free Market Socialist, those guys hate government involvement in anything. He's bound to have a good answer.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades LULZ ??? Lost me.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries Oh, FreeTheWorker, he's a free market laissez faire socialist libertarian I met the other day on one of Jacob Spinney's videos so I look forward to reading his answer.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades free market laissez faire socialist libertarian. What the you tube is that?
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries That's basically laissez faire capitalism without the capitalist. Labor owns their own businesses and go out and compete in the free market just like normal only there are no wages and what people get paid depends on their company earnings or their individual earnings. Ahhh and the state doesn't exist, or it exists as a purely voluntary opt-in or opt-out system where you don't even have to pay taxes if you opt out of the services.
Naive but his heart's in the right place.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades I know this is not your belief. Well this sentence is."Labor owns their own businesses and go out and compete in the free market just like normal" I have agreed with you on this, But the rest is, well, goofy? I hope you know what I mean?
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries I have no problem with labor owning it's own business and competing in the free market, it's the laissez faire libertarianism I question. I don't think Anarchism can work.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades This we have agreed on.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries Please allow me to explain Laughingblades is a troll who somewhat misrepresents the laissez faire position. We believe that the state does not hold a legitimate monopoly on the right to use force, or in fact a legitimate monopoly on anything. If for instance you live your whole life on a farm and never use roads, the state should have no right to force you under threat of violence to pay a road tax. People would pay for the services they wanted to use, it's as simple as that.
FreeTheWorker 3 months ago
@FreeTheWorker Using the term "Laissez Fair" economics in your system is just a stepping stone to socialism as defined by Carl Marx. The government has an obligation to protect its citizens from the out side and inside attack on its citizens right defined in the Constitution and Bill of rights. NO individual or group has the right to force their position on anybody els. Road should be privatized. As for the farmer example. This dose not hold water. He could not import or export from his property
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries What I advocate isn't a stepping stone to socialism, according to most it is socialism.
Only I have been told my entire life that socialism is when tyrants and government takes all your money and tells you where to work and what to do. Now I am being told that socialism is when people have freedom of choice and a voice in all areas of their life. Clearly these definitions of socialism are on opposite ends of the scale of liberty.
We don't need a state tyranny to protect ourselves
FreeTheWorker 3 months ago
@FreeTheWorker I do not see Laughingblades as a troll according to the definition of internet troll. As far as a troll in mythology. I do not know if she is a dark and ugly creature that lives in a dark cave or under a bridge. : )
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries I have been thinking about making a video on free market socialism to explain this. Essentially, what we call Unions today was created by government bureaucrats who created a subsidy program for conservative unions under AFL and CIO models, which for unions meant losing the right to call general strikes or demand worker ownership of firms (the government effectively banned Union Socialism which was popular in the working class press). NRLB recognized unions co-opted the work force.
FreeTheWorker 3 months ago
@FreeTheWorker Todays unions come from The unions getting the democrats to pass legislation to benefit the unions. These legislation's were, un Constitutional and were challenged in the courts. They kept on changing the bills till they finally came to form the national labor relations board. Which is heavily influenced by the unions. So yuo could say that the Constitution limited the unions.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries I wish it were that simple, but big government has severely restrained the union, it has put us on a leesh and collar while pretending to free us. Unions are heavily restricted heavily regulated machines now, for all the rights they have so hard won for working class people, many rights were taken away from the unions themselves.
The power and role of US Labor Unions compared to to those in Europe and Canada is almost a pitiful sight heavily rigged against the workers themselves.
FreeTheWorker 3 months ago
@FreeTheWorker Those countries in Europe with big labor unions like GREECE, SPAIN, & ITALY are BROKE!!!
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
@UCSDEngineerDoctor The only parts of Spain that are broke are the ones without big labor, look at Mondragon in Spain to see how it works where labor is big, not all of Spain has an equal economy. I don't know why you even mentioned Greece and Italy, labor has nothing to do with their economic problems.
I guess you just want to blame the workers who create all the wealth for all the economic instability in the world and give the bankers and corporate CEO's some of your tax dollars.
FreeTheWorker 2 months ago
@FreeTheWorker The government is controlled by big labor esp in ITALY & GREECE. Where all the government employees are unionized, & the private sector is bankrupt or taxed to subsidize their salary & pensions. The WSJ reported that GREECE Government UNION employees comprise over over 60% of the entire work force. This is unsustainable. I mention GREECE, because CALIFORNIA is bankrupt in much the same way.
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
@UCSDEngineerDoctor It can't be helped if tourist nanny states go under when a world wide recession hits but that's not labor's fault, you're misplacing blame.
You know the parts of California that aren't bankrupt? The parts with worker cooperatives. You know the parts of Spain that aren't bankrupt? The parts with worker cooperatives, in fact there is zero poverty in Mondragon.
FreeTheWorker 2 months ago
@FreeTheWorker The government of CALIFORNIA is bankrupt. And all the UNIONS that the state are whore out to has bankrupt the state.
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
@UCSDEngineerDoctor It's not the Union's fault, California's Bankruptsy was predicted by economists well in advance under Arnold Schwarzenegger's policies, then the economic collapse hit and the state went into the red. Blaming unions is just stupid and short sighted, you're ignoring everything that's happened and everything that's contributed to the problem. You may as well just blame Islam if you're that stupid.
FreeTheWorker 2 months ago
@FreeTheWorker You are an IDIOT, ARNOLD tried to pass UNION reform, which has handily rejected by the UNION workers, due to the UNIONs using their dues to buy ads against the propositions using scare tactics, saying our kids will suffer. Unlike the FEDERAL government, CALIFORNIA cannot print money for all the bribes the democrats up in SACRAMENTO whoring out to the UNIONs. Its like I take taxpayer money hand it out to you, & you give me some back or vote for me back in office.
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
@FreeTheWorker All of California is bankrupt, because the government of CALIFORNIA has no money. The only people not bankrupt are people that can still make or produce something the consumer wants to buy. Like APPLE or GOOGLE. The people of CA do not want to be taxed for more jail guards, cops, & teachers with their UNIONs & pensions to babysit a bunch of ILLEGALS. The whole ENTIRE country of SPAIN is bankrupt, like ITALY & GREECE, which has a HUGE UNION bureaucracy that is unsustainable.
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
@UCSDEngineerDoctor That's a gross over generalization. The state is bankrupt, not every community and not every Californian. Co-op workers are generally doing well in comparison with the rest of the state. You know why? Because for years all the money has been funneled up and out, away from the hands of working class Americans, and California's economy, and the entire American economy was a house of cards.
Mondragon in Spain isn't bankrupt, it has no poverty. Unions didn't cause the problem.
FreeTheWorker 2 months ago
@FreeTheWorker All of our taxes goes up to SACRAMENTO. It is not dispersed locally, therefore the entire State of CA is bankrupt. You are a fucking moron. Its like saying everybody around me is broke, lost their job, their house is in foreclosure, but I am not, means UNIONs are not responsible for CA bankruptcy. What kind of lunacy is this? You are truly a poster child for the insane. UNIONIZE all you want, dont expect the taxpayer to pay for your salary.
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
@UCSDEngineerDoctor That's because their is no central agency overseeing the EU'S economy and we have an older population so economic growth slows down
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 Another government bureaucracy? Are you on crack? How wonder stimulus was an EPIC FAILURE. This is why GREECE, ITALY, & SPAIN are insolvent, everybody works for the government like the COPS, POSTAL SERVICE, or some DMV CUBICLE HAMSTER - the kind of job OBAMA wants to grow. These are TAX JOBS creating no revenue. Hence more taxes, more state deficits, higher tuition - until the private sector of small businesses & the middle class is bankrupt, just like the state of CALIFORNIA!!!
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
@UCSDEngineerDoctor You don't understand you have a central bank as Americans that prints money and is in charge of government loans we Europeans don't have a central bank why do you think everybody is asking France and Germany for a bailout because their is no bank that can initiate it their are 27 country's in the EU with no central bank to respond to probloms were going to surface
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 France will be broke like GREECE. The only country not broke is GERMANY, because they actually make something the world buys, rather than just print money & hand it out to its UNION government workers. Europe have a central bank its called the EUROPEAN UNION & its currency the EURO - which basically denigrates GERMANY monetary value so the EUROPEAN ELITISTS can funnel it to bail out GREECE, ITALY, & SPAIN. Basically taxing the people of GERMANY for a mess they did not create.
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
@UCSDEngineerDoctor FRANCE is a major exporter in the world and i'm sure we don't have a central bank and Germany's unions are very powerful they help elect the CEO of the company and everybody will need to have tax hicks and cut social programs if we want to continue to have the EU
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 Every country exports you moron, when your country exports or makes less than what your country can afford - you are screwed & your country becomes GREECE. Germany has local trade UNIONs, but these UNIONs do not tax its people to pay its workers salary, healthcare, or pensions. Every worker must pitch in with their own money for benefits, thus they have to work hard to make something the free market will buy, this is how UNIONs should work rather that bankrupt the TAXPAYER.
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
@UCSDEngineerDoctor Yes every country exports you idiot but not at the level of France which is predicted overtake the German economy and i'm not French i'm Dutch and you just want to argue i see your no longer screaming about the EU having a central bank and no they dont ask for healthcare becuase they have universal healthcare
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 Who pays for those UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE? The tooth-fairy?
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
@UCSDEngineerDoctor i don't see the argument you're making yes the tax payers pay for universal healthcare system what of it
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 You are right, the people of GERMANY are going to be TAXED for GREECE's STUPIDITY. Germany's social security will be cut so they can funnel that money to GREECE's wealthy UNION bosses.
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
@UCSDEngineerDoctor And we will have to cut our welfare system for the time being since we have an aging population Germany docent have Union bosses they have a Betriebsräte or work council
Luis568369 2 months ago
Free the Worker!
FreeTheWorker 3 months ago
This lady teaches this? 50+1 telling 49 you HAVE to join. She dose not mention these (Walsh-Healey (1936) Fair Labor Standards Act (1938)) and the reasons for these two acts. Learn a little more "real news" (A History of Labor Unions from Colonial Times to 2009) by Morgan Reynolds, on the site of Ludwig von Mises Institute. The 1935 act says only unions can strike and not an individual. Just left their job???? sounds like quitting their job, to me anyway. She is so full of holes in her comment.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries Go hug the Koch brothers.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
Maybe if the Serfs who produce all the grain stopped asking the barons for better shares of bread and shared ownership over their own damn bakery they'd be better off.
Just saying.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
Workers are screwed no matter what.
cheeriosinabowl 4 months ago
Unions ruin any industry they get into.Union are so corrupt and alot of the Union leaders are in bed with the Mafia
dman1311974 4 months ago
Make unions illegal......Starting with the UNITED states of america....opposing unions is treason..... anti-union = pro Al Quida
rorybowskill 5 months ago
Unions have become lazy, concerned only with themselves to the detriment of all labor, union and non-union. The union bosses are greedy dues collectors.
They should get out and organize more workers. The middle class is disappearing.
blader45bc 5 months ago
unions control of business hurts america, american unions was put in place when america was the only game in town, now there's so many other countries building things and beating our prices, unions set prices who's hired and fired making business unable to compete,businesses in america must have control or manufacturing won't come back
hotrod4you2 5 months ago
I'm honestly curious here. Why did the CEO's export the jobs in the first place?
captinseperoth 5 months ago
IWW=real union AFL=American Separation of Labor
autonomia386 5 months ago
I've read elsewhere that some people want to destroy the unions and go back to the "Good Ol' America". I say they are morons that do not realize how America worked before all the reforms in the 1920's. Long hours, little pay, and your boss really was an asshole since he sent thugs to kick your teeth in if you even complained.
junkers1337 5 months ago
Unions are nothing but communist scum and must be destroyed
gopconservative78 5 months ago
@gopconservative78 No unions fight for workers rights. They were created in the early 1900's as a way to give us better working conditions, fair wages, and vacations hourse. You just need to pay more attention in history class.
CJbass420 5 months ago
@CJbass420 yea unions rape children, build crap, support communist thugs, beat up Boy Scouts.....they are utter crap and Unions should be illegal
gopconservative78 5 months ago
@gopconservative78 They do not do a single thing you claim they do you fucking liar. Name one boy scott who was beat up by unions! Name one child raped by them! Build crap? What do you mean by that?
CJbass420 5 months ago
@CJbass420 sure they do, a bunch of SEIU scumbags beat the shit out of a boyscout in Allentown, PA in 2008.....you protect child molesters (Teachers), Build crappy cars, and support illegal immigrants and terrorists
gopconservative78 5 months ago
@gopconservative78 Teachers are not child molesters you fucking moron! You are mentally insane! Far more priests commit child molestation then teachers. Most situations with teachers are high school students who are willing, therefore it's not molestation it's a sexual encounter. I highly doubt they support terrorists either, thats just ridiculous bullshit. Also they don't build cars, CAR COMPANIES build cars. Unions exist to fight for workers rights.
CJbass420 5 months ago
@CJbass420 Yeah, sure they do liberal boy. Sure they do. Eventually, they will take down every business. When there's no business, there are no jobs. No jobs, no money. No money means no food or shelter. No food or shelter, Soviet Union all over again.
Libtards need to study the correct history before being able to vote. Maybe if morons weren't allowed to vote, Obama wouldn't have been elected. Voting should be a right to the properly educated ones, not a morons.
gamefreak1000000 4 months ago
@gamefreak1000000 Hahahaha oh my god you're insane! You actually think they want us all without jobs, hahaha! I'm not a liberal I'm an independant you liar. Remember it's the idiot conservatives who voted for the scumbag bush and he's even worse then obama and that saying something because obama sucks!
CJbass420 4 months ago
@CJbass420 Sorry, but Obama is actually WORSE than Bush. Unemployment is higher than ANY president in the U.S. He spend almost as much money as Bush has during his whole 8 years and he didn't even serve his first term. If you even bothered doing the research and looking at the numbers and charts, you'd notice that Obama has done more bad to the economy than Bush has. You may be an independent, but you get your sources from a bunch of libtards who can't even maintain a lemonade stand,
gamefreak1000000 4 months ago
It is easy to tear down the first black president when things don't turn around. If Obama loses in 2012, which it looks like he will, people will call him the worst president ever. Muhammad Ali said that would happen back in an interview in the 1970's. ALi compared it to a captain inviting a black galley worker up and letting him run the ship. The black man is thinking, "they are going to let me run the ship?" "Oh, the ship must me sinking." That is the position Obama is in.
Mr40acresandamule 4 months ago
@Mr40acresandamule Obama is the worst president ever not only because he's black, but because the unemployment rate is much higher when he was in office than when Bush was in office. Look kid, you need to get your facts right if oyu want to argue with me because I have no time to waste with the likes of you. Either educate yourself or shut up!
gamefreak1000000 4 months ago
@gamefreak1000000 Nope. Bush tripeled the national debt, started that unemployement downfall, started a war in Iraq for oil, created the no child left behind act, failed to stop the most devastating terrorist attack this nation has ever seen. I also do not get my information from any biased liberal media's you however get your from biased conservative networks like fox. All politicians lie, left right and inbetween, your just too blind to see it. It might be from your ego.
CJbass420 4 months ago
@gamefreak1000000 Amen, I've always said I dont want to live in a country where liberals make decisions.
They make their decisions on there emotions and feelings. Theres no intellectual foundation there, so how can the out-come be legit? It cant and don't get me started on unions. If I were president I would make them illegal. Espically the ones in the public sector.
fargonbastedge 3 months ago
@fargonbastedge Here's an intellectual thought to counter balance all their stupidity.
What if the workers, the people who produce all the wealth, pooled that wealth at the Union Level, opened their own worker owned businesses, made coalitions where they supported eachother, and made heavy use of advertising to encourage people to buy from their cooperative markets?
Well then maybe we'd see better working conditions pay and hours for everyone. Naw that would be socialism, like in Europe.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades Europe is collapsing Greece, Italy, Spain, etc. and its because of the socialist model. Its an experiment.
fargonbastedge 3 months ago
@fargonbastedge Oh yes, the ones deliberately sabotaged by the world bank had an economic crises when the American economy collapsed and the Greeks Rioted because Germany didn't give them the aid that it's always given them.
Funny I don't see Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Germany, New Zealand, or Norway in your little list? Gee I wonder why that is. Why are the more capitalist and corporatist European countries the ones hurting and not the more socialist leaning ones?
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades I agree when capitalist America sneezes all the weaker socialist nations in the world cant afford it to sustain there worthless lazy bum population and go bankrupt and riot.
fargonbastedge 3 months ago
@fargonbastedge Haha you wish, truth is Capitalists are the bitch of multinational corporations in America, oh wait you probably don't know what capitalism is. Anyway yeah, I know right, all those countries around Scandinavia and the Baltic Sea with all their socialism sure are shaking at the sneeze of our failing economy aren't they?
Wait, their economies have grown and their average standards of living have improved while we saw record unemployment? Well I'll be damned.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades NO, those small countries are Russia's bitch and they already had their own little socialist failed experiment 20 years ago...
fargonbastedge 3 months ago
@fargonbastedge Oh yes those prosperous countries with healthy stable economies, generally happy people, low unemployment, practically no homelessness, very little crime, they're all the bitch of some failed communist state that only even called itself socialist as a propaganda term of political convenience to gain the support and complacency of the workers.
And Germany is such a small, small country, so small. And as we know, all that matters is who's is biggest, not who's works best.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades the baltic states are not a paradise like your describing. They have a lower standard of living than America. Your retarded and stop spamming my inbox.
fargonbastedge 3 months ago
@fargonbastedge Yes they're all just horrible, horrible places, with terrible standards of living. Why Denmark must be the unhappiest place on earth, after all it is a dismal damp and dreary country that's constantly cold...
Wait it's shown in several international studies to be the happiest nation on the planet? Practically everyone in Denmark belongs to social clubs? Even those who work with sewage rate their job satisfaction highly due to the many benefits they receive? That can't be right
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades Hello again. Up for some discussion?
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries Sure
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades I see you are for unions. Have you checked the information below?
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries Aye I'm all for the Unions. They elevate the quality of life for everyone except the very rich, except in America, where the wealthy essentially waged class warfare against working class people.
There was a time in America when the American People considered the idea of going to work to make another man rich repugnant. The Republican Party ran on a platform that Wage Labor was Wage Slavery it took two wars & the nationalization of industry & the Red Scare to get capitalism adopted
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades What time was that? Where and how did it take that to get capitalism adopted? I feel the unions in this country have done nothing good that did not benefit them and their bosses directly. Also claim to have gotten the 40 hour work week and sweat shops, child labor gone. Thats just for starters.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries Back in the early to mid 19'th century, and capitalism wasn't officially adopted, it just consolidated it's power during the war and made itself the defacto system, rich capitalists found themselves in control of the media and with enough wealth to influence government.
But yeah, let's blame the Unions. 9% holds more wealth than the rest of us combined or that 1% owns 40% of the world, and that the country is owned by corporations and banks, but blame the workers.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades Capitalism was never "officially adopted". It actually came from the Free Market system, in way of merchants. 1600 - 1790 called semi-capitalist economy, and grew from there. The government consolidated the factories for the war effort. Control of media and influenced government, yes and is how corpritism grew, but was not Constitutional.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries Capitalism isn't much different from feudalism, you could technically say it goes back much further, all the way to Rome in fact if you want to exclude feudalism. Capitalism is distinguished primarily by private control over the work place, again don't confuse it with free market that's not what the word means.
If you want to split hairs and say America was never truly capitalist despite an abundance of private owners, ok, the American people still forgot where they stood on labor
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades The Free Market dose have capitalist in it., even if you have one owner and one worker. In America in colonial times, they did not want unions and were afraid of them. America was an open society and the unions were a threat to that. In the earliest they wanted what was called a closed shop. Violence was their main tool to accomplish this.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries Free Market has capitalists in it, but a free market is not necessarily capitalist, nor is capitalism necessarily free market. Capitalism is private ownership of the work place and means of production it's a bureaucratic monopolization of the work place, to any extent that worker freedom exists under this system it is very limited as long as the capitalist maintains power over the worker. And the Unions were no more violent than the Capitalists look at how capitalists treated labor
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades I think we have been agreeing on the Free Market and Capitalism thing. I am looking for something I read for the last part of that comment.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries Also can you point out where in the constitution corporations are forbidden?
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades This is what I said. Control of media and influenced government, yes and is how corpritism grew, but was not Constitutional. Nothing about corporations being un Constitutional.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries But it is all allowed by the constitution.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades If you were talking ownership as control of media, agreed. Influence on the government by bribes and the sort no. The government doing businesses favors and working in each others pockets , no. No meaning un Constitutional.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries Oh yeah you're right bribery of the government was treason in fact those early capitalists and corporatists were playing a dangerous game, not like today where they can can bribe politicians openly and even make a show of it like BP did when buying politicians to give them tax dollars to steal oil out of the gulf and sell it back to us. They were shaking hands and everything.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades I know and that makes me mad. Look at all the money from the bail out going to failing companies and to companies that have relatives and investment in those companies. You would think there would be a good constitutional lawyer to fight this.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@Laughingblades I just found what you said to free the worker and it was market as spam. Do not see why. But that statement shows me a little more of what you are talking about.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@Laughingblades I do not in any way blame the workers. From investors to the man that bushes a broom. I partially blame the public sector unions for a lot of drain on the system. For their tactics and using government money to donate to the candidate of their choice. Talk about spreading the wealth. $8,820,000,000 is a conservative figure amount that the unions took in union fees for 2010. Dennis Van Roekel Made $397,721,
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries Yes certainly it is the fault of the public sector that the rich kick the door shut for the poor. After all, there is nothing inherent in the greed of man that would lead one man, with control of a vast army of workers, to hoard vast quantities of wealth, and use that wealth to rig the system against the workers and against anyone who would ever dare compete. Or wait, is there?
Consider this, if there were no capitalist there could be no unions.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades No unions, but what about freedoms. What would be the result of no capitalists and what would fill the void? Greedy men controlling workers and money? If there were no unions, there would still be capitalists. So the unions should be happy that there are capitalists. : )
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries No, in a Worker's Democracy workers would collaborate to start companies and industries, they would democratically elect managers based on management skills if needed for larger companies, or participate in direct democracy in smaller ones. They would fill the void themselves. Don't mistake workers for being stupid and lazy and unable to fill the roles of the capitalist, everything the capitalist does the workers can do, except take excessive shares of the wealth generated by labor
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades I have worked with enough stupid and lazy workers. But yes, that is not all the workers. What ever the workers can do the capitalist can do too. The workers will have a hard time not becoming a capitalist. I think we can both agree that humans are fallible. Also with your system, there should be no excessive wealth. There should not even be a value system. Once you put a value on something you increase greed.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries The capitalist CAN do what the workers can do, but that kind of misses the point. The capitalist is not only an unnecessary relic who rules like a feudal lord over his peasants, he can grow without end without his workers ever getting richer, like a tick feeding off the backs of labor, and he is often removed from the individual skills and needs of the worker. Plus he gets between labor and wages, which can lead to labor expecting too much or being undervalued.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades Looking at another writing and capitalism was given this definition among others but I saw the rest as being a free market idea. This right hear would not go well with the Constitution of the United States.(e) a political process whereby economic power can become translated into governmental policy;
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries ;) Free markets can exist under feudalism, capitalism, socialism, or heck even communism if you don't mind going back to the barter system (as much as communists may protest that statement their ideology is more naive than laissez faire ideals).
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades I was under a different idea. That capitalism is part of all the others because of the capital. You need capital to do business or something. The stick you use to spear the fish, is capital.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@nannyberries But capital is an ancient invention, one of the oldest economic inventions after the barter system. It doesn't rely on capitalism, capital can exist in any economic system that doesn't call for the abolition of current, IE, The Venus Project, Communism, to an extent Technocracy but it transitions capital to some sort of energy credit based system. But pretty much any other system involves capital, even most forms of socialism.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades Ok, I had it backwards.
nannyberries 3 months ago
@Laughingblades Joseph T Hansen $360,737 in 2009, Gerald McEntee $479,328 in 2009, Randi Weingarten $428,284, Check out union facts dot com. Unions are a corporation and should be treated as such.
nannyberries 3 months ago
Unions are a bunch of propagandizers. They have done so much to hurt the middle class and then take the credit. Disgusting.
Cinnamonbuns13 6 months ago
what is facism? like socialism or corportism its not allways the same in every time period or situation.the early roman facist were more of a cooperative, or musalinis facism was a form of dictorial totalism ,as there is many different democraceys ect so too there is different facism. in the us today id say the closest thing too it is being republican with a corporate right media fox, beck, orielly trump pallin gingridge .extreme me me brain washed rightyies .
roquespear 6 months ago
response2 tsharpmac420. more people more laws, thats civcil society, corporations love laws, long as it dont effect them. infringment of rights? dont tax the billionaires so the less fortunate dont have schooling.,back too the coal mines or no universal medicare ?. it wasnt the left that ruined the usa econemy,post regan mulrooney thatcher capitilism is a form of darwinism backed by right wing corporate christian fundies, but these lions dont stop eating when there full .like darwinists
roquespear 6 months ago
right cant govern,control money proof.usa wouldnt be screwedup.now ,because of deregulation a,let the market do it attitude and a a corporate biased right wing media ,a me me my my corporate brain washed public ,where even the people hurting ,are so brain washed too vote against things that will help them. now i know where they got the script for trailer park boys,or the saying red necks. the key? balance .the usa needs another party a left one ,got middle, kinda got right=wrong ,wakeup
roquespear 6 months ago
no room2 reply totaly. usa canada since free trd wto globilization especially since reganism thatcherism mulroneyism+ the disastrous bush eras,+the colapse of the german wall, we got extreme right wing secretive runnaway call it what U want , totalariesm facism mainly corportism, the big guys control the little guys kinda like before 1913 the factorie fires and unions ect + now got abiased right winged corporate media . + forget 1st bailout ? now #2? right cnt govern
roquespear 6 months ago
Unions=communist lazy thugs, sit around and do nothing and paid for it
gopconservative78 6 months ago
From 3:00 on she babbles on about union workers who go on strike being permanently replaced ( not fired ). What she doesn't take into account are the union workers who have no desire to go on strike, who go on strike to avoid repercussions from their union . The union members who are perfectly happy with the deal that they've got are rendered mute . The union leaders, who get paid regardless of whether the union members are working or not, quell dissent by calling those union members anti-union
westeightyone 7 months ago
We must SMASH the unions with the same tools made available for stopping organized crime.
HomleandSecurity 7 months ago