BibleorTraditions and the eternal soul- 1st response

[ndzoko]

There is NO soul. Soul is just a mistranslation of the word " life" in hebrew. Replace"soul" in bible texts with " life:" and it will make much more sense. The soul is supposedly created at conception. So all those spontaneously aborted fertlized human eggs(millions upon millions) all those little pure souls down the toilet, down the drain, What a shame. !!

[pandirasbox]

The idea that souls sleep is ridiculous. The idea that souls go to heaven and then go back into their bodies at a future second coming is ludicrous. Souls either unite with the Spirit and receive immortality or they perish. The second coming is not literal and the Catholic church did not always use the book of Revelation.

[pandirasbox]

There is no purgatory

[pandirasbox]

Daniel 12!

[pandirasbox]

I respectfully disagree with both of you. The flesh does not rise.

[pandirasbox]

Flesh, Soul, and Spirit are distinct. The Soul reunites with the Spirit and leaves the Flesh. This in 1Corinthians 15:50 and Ephesians backs this up.

[k0smon]

As with many subjects, the bible is contradictory on this subject.  1 Samuel 28:15 refutes soul-sleep. So do NDEs and psychic's contacting of the 'dead'.

[bobbijofl8]

you are totally twisting scripture... 

[Vitario2000]

BTW I am a Southern Baptist Minister. I am impressed with you Biblical knowledge, good job in countering false teaching.

[Vitario2000]

Christ taught. The spirit lives, Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

and John confirmed it. 1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe

[hoffabrando]

Living Souls

WHEN MAN HAD BEEN CREATED FROM THE DUST,WHAT DID HE BECOME?

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Gen. 2:7.

TO WHAT OTHER ORDER OF BEINGS IS THE TERM SOUL APPLIED?

"And levy a tribute unto the Lord of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep." Num. 31:28. P1

[hoffabrando]

IS THE TERM “LIVING SOULS” APPLIED TO ANYTHING BESIDES MAN AND BEAST?

"And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea." Rev 16:3

CAN A SOUL SUFFER THIRST?

"As cold waters to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country." Prov 25:25

MAY IT ALSO SUFFER HUNGER?

"Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger." Prov 19:15 P2

[hoffabrando]

IS IT CAPABLE OF EATING?

But the soul that eateth of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, that pertain unto the Lord, having his uncleanness upon him, even that soul shall be cut off from his people Lev 7:20

CAN IT BE INJURED?

And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword Joshua 11:11

CAN THE SOUL DIE?

Behold, all souls are Mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die Eze18:4 3

[hoffabrando]

WHAT IS SAID OF THE SOUL OF CHRIST?

"Therefore will I divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong; because He hath poured out His soul unto death." Isa. 53:12.

WHAT BECOMES OF THE SOUL AT DEATD?

"What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? Shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave?" Ps. 89:48.

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[hoffabrando]

WERE DID CHRIST’S SOUL GO AT HIS DEATH?

"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell [hades], neither His flesh did see corruption." Acts 2:31.NOTE. - His soul went into the grave, but was not left there, He being raised on the third day.

ARE WE TO BE RAISED THE THIRD DAY, OR THE LAST DAY

Joh:11:24: Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

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[bibletruthniagara]

Your view of the immortal soul CONTRADICTS the fundamental view of the Bible.

ie "The soul that sins will die". From the standpoint of reason - would a loving God create an immortal soul? NO! It is only necessary to annihilate stubborn wickedness. It is not necessary to perpetuate evil by keeping it chained in agony forever. God is NOT dumb, and he is NOT even close to cruelty. He matches the penalty to the crime. Is Christ less loving than Moses? The law of Moses says "an eye for an eye".

[H3c0m1ngs0on]

Bibleortraditions made more sense than OneTrueChurch.

Spirit returns to God. That is the Breath of Life that returns to God.

The Soul is a combination of the Body + the Breath of Life = Soul.

If you take away the Breath of Life - you get death.

This video is not convincing.

No food for thought with this explanation but only confusion, OTC uses half scriptures ,parables and prophetic language in the wrong way.

[bibletruthniagara]

What happens at death? Do we have an immortal soul? And for the meaning of soul, please see our videos. If one does not get the basics right,it will only lead to confusion.

[timsh6]

Blazer 7*70 has no idea what he is talking about.Listen to guys like him and you,ll surely be led astray!

[timsh6]

is protestantism falling after the beast ? hmmm what happened during the reformation,why is protestantism becoming corrupted?

[timsh6]

was paul looking forward to a resurrection and to be absent from the body and to be clothed with immortality? when does jesus says that change will come ,does he say at the moment of death or when he returns? i think this question deserves and honest answer ,dont you?

[timsh6]

it,s time to stop teaching vain philosophy ,and the traditions of man!

[timsh6]

one true church follows ,and honors his tradition the rest of us we,ll follow what the bible teaches!

[timsh6]

jOSH FORDER AMEN TO YOU ALSO! WE TOGETHER CAN TEACH THESE PEOPLE A THING OR TWO!

[timsh6]

TAKE THE BIBLE AS IT IS WRITTEN! QUIT TWISTING SCRIPTURE TO YOUR LUSTS AND DESIRES!

[timsh6]

The dead have no more a reward,for the memory of them is forgotten,they have no knowledge,no work ,no device."Take the bible as it is written not as you think it should say" qoute by ordained minister Dutch Savage from The Lords Loud Cry cable based ministry out of Washington (360) 686-3085

[timsh6]

Question is jesus bringing his reward with him?

[timsh6]

is death swallowed up in victory? is death the last enemy to be destroyed? when does our change come? Those who are saved are clothed with immortality at jesus second coming ,not prior! ?The belief that you die and go to heaven is based on the pagan idea that man has an immortal soul.Christ only hath immortality ,and he chooses whom to give it to. Why would jesus have to come back and get us at the second coming ,if you were to die and go directly to heaven?

[timsh6]

Blazer 7*70 is living a fairy tale!

[timsh6]

HOFFA BRANDO ,IT,S NICE TO SEE SOMEONE LIKE YOURSELF ON HERE WHO HAS BRAINS!

[timsh6]

ABSENT FROM THE BODY TO BE PRESENT WITH THE LORD WAS A DESIRE PAUL HAD TO BE CLOTHED WITH IMMORTALITY AT THE RESURRECTION,IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU GO TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE,PAY ATTENTION!

[hoffabrando]

Plato was a pagan Greek philosopher, born in Athens, 427 B.C., a student of Socrates also a pagan. He wrote the famous book Phaedo, on the 'Immortality of the soul', and this book is the real origin of the modern religious belief in the immortality of the soul. The traditional concept of sinners tormented for all eternity in a fiery hell is clearly from the imaginations of PAGANS!

[timsh6]

immortal breath,lol ,please take some bible lessons will ya! no such thing as immortla breath,immortal spirit ,immortal soul. Those are pagan beliefs,and have no biblical foundation,no truth.

[timsh6]

There is no such thing as an immortal soul.The only one who hath immortality is god read timothy timothy 6:16.

[Blazer7x70]

@timsh6 Really,If you knew scripture What do we do with 2nd CORINTHIANS5:8?throw that out the window?It says,We are confident I say,and willing rather to be absent from the body,and to be present with the Lord.This verse looks like when a SAVED person dies,Their soul Goes to where the Lord is.

[timsh6]

listen to this kid who cannot endure sound biblical teaching.He,d rather turn to pleasing fables and honor his church tradition more than he would the word of god,is that not like the typical Christian!

[SeekTruthinLight]

Our spirit is at rest in a place prepared of God, awaiting Christ, to open the book of life. It is a place below the alter of God, within the kingdom, which encompasses all. The hidden things are revealed to his children who seek truth. When you deny your old sin and its temptation this demonstrates your repentance, for your soul is a witness of your flesh. It is about learning the truth before we die. Be not

concerned with the dead, but with that which is now alive. Walk in truth to live.

[1965ace]

Spirit and soul are two different things. The Spirit animates us and is the breath from God. The soul is our intellect our memories thoughts etc. the thing that is not physical but distinguishes each of us.

[SeekTruthinLight]

Are you sure about what the soul is? Is the soul not of God, the immortal breath of life given to man, that separates us from animals, and is immortal in its full potential, created in the image of God? Is it not also Gods gift, the spirit of man clothed with flesh, created above even Angels, that they may reproduce for His Glory and for his Kingdom? Those of God know the things of the Father. He reveals all thing to those who walk in truth and believe in His son Jesus Christ the savior of men.

[1965ace]

@seekthetruthinlight

Don't you defend the church that has on every alter a graven image of the crucifiction? Or teaches its congregation to bow down to images of Mary?

Is the body not of God ??? If the body is corrupt as a corrupt soul then how can it be perfect, or of God? The Spirit of God animates us, not our own soul.

[Proverbs8]

onetruechurch. I am a protestant and I agree with what you are saying about the immortal soul. I disagree with his doctrine. Read...

John 8-56-58

56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad." 57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!" 58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

[Proverbs8]

Also, to believe his (bible or traditions) doctrine, you would have to believe that Jesus "I am" ceased to exist for 3 days. To claim that divinity ceased to exist is error of the highest order. When He called himslef "I am" that described his eternality.

[JosherForder]

Many translations use the expression I Am both at John 8:58 and Exodus 3:14. But do both texts express the same thought?

No. We know that they do not because at Exodus 3:14 the Greek Septuagint Version (the translation that was often quoted by the apostles in the first century C.E.) reads, e·go′ ei·mi′ ho Ohn′, I am the Being. This is quite different from the simple use of the words e·go′ ei·mi′ (I am) at John 8:58.

[JosherForder]

For example, An American Translation reads: I existed before Abraham was born! That text in itself says nothing about how long Jesus existed before Abraham. But Trinitarians reason that it means that Jesus has existed eternally.

[Proverbs8]

Also in 2 Corinthians12:2-4 Paul is speaking about himself here when he said...

2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4was caught up to paradise.

How could the Apostle Paul not know if he was in spirit or body if he believed that his spirit could not be out of the body?

[JosherForder]

The verb ei·mi′, at John 8:58, is evidently in the historical present, as Jesus was speaking about himself in relation to Abrahams past.

[JosherForder]

What goes on in purgatory is anyones guess.—U.S. Catholic, March 1981, p. 9.

[JosherForder]

After reviewing what Catholic writers have said regarding such texts as 2 Maccabees 12:39-45, Matthew 12:32, and 1 Corinthians 3:10-15, the New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967, Vol. XI, p. 1034) acknowledges: In the final analysis, the Catholic doctrine on purgatory is based on tradition, not Sacred Scripture.

[JosherForder]

The soul [soul, Kx; man, JB] that sinneth, the same shall die. (Ezek. 18:4, Dy)

[JosherForder]

There is no dichotomy division of body and soul in the Old Testament. The Israelite saw things concretely, in their totality, and thus he considered men as persons and not as composites. The term nepeš [ne′phesh], though translated by our word soul, never means soul as distinct from the body or the individual person... — New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIII, pp. 449, 450.

[JosherForder]

Comparably, the life-force returns to where it came from—God. (Job 34:14, 15; Psalm 36:9) This does not mean that the life-force actually travels to heaven.Rather, it means that for someone who dies, any hope of future life rests with Jehovah God.

[JosherForder]

It is an impersonal force. But without that spirit, or life-force, our bodies expire, and back to their dust they go, as the psalmist stated.

[JosherForder]

Spirit refers to an invisible force (the spark of life) that animates all living creatures. The body needs the spirit in much the same way as a radio needs electricity—in order to function. Similarly, the spirit is the force that brings our body to life. Also, like electricity, the spirit has no feeling and cannot think

[JosherForder]

Feel free to tell to me if find any this information interesting.

[JosherForder]

Consider: why would Samuel's spirit come forth to a practicer of Witchcraft, when God condemns witchcraft? - Deut 18:9-12; 1 Samuel 28:11. Why does God condemn spiritism? Spiritism is connected to wicked spirit (demons) As we know imperfect humans can make impersonations, how about wicked Intelligent spirit creatures?

[JosherForder]

The spirits were not disembodied souls but disobedient angels; the souls here referred to were living people, humans, Noah and his household. What was preached to spirits in prison must therefore have been a message of judgment.)

[JosherForder]

What does 1 Peter 3:19, 20 mean? In this state [in the spirit, following his resurrection] also he [Jesus] went his way and preached to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noahs days, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls...- Comparison of 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6 with Genesis 6:2-4 shows that these spirits were angelic sons of God that had materialized and married in Noahs day.

[JosherForder]

A persons entrusting his spirit evidently means, then, that he places his hope in God for a future restoration of such life-force to himself through a resurrection.—Compare Nu 16:22; 27:16; Job 12:10; Ps 104:29, 30.

[JosherForder]

That there be an actual and literal transmission of some force from this planet to the heavenly presence of God is not necessarily required. Even as the fragrant scent of animal sacrifices was spoken of as being smelled by God (Ge 8:20, 21), God could gather in, or could accept as entrusted to him, the spirit or life-force in a figurative sense, that is, without any literal transmission of vital force from earth. (Job 34:14; Lu 23:46)

[JosherForder]

The Bible shed light on Acts 7:59, it is evident that Davids statement at Psalm 31:5, quoted by Jesus at the time of his death (Lu 23:46), Into your hand I entrust my spirit, meant that God was being called upon to guard, or care for, that ones life-force.

[JosherForder]

For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Corinthians 15:51, 52) Clearly, not all chosen ones awaiting Heaven are asleep in the grave awaiting a resurrection. Those who die during Christs presence are transformed instantaneously.—Revelation 14:13.

[JosherForder]

How can their souls, or blood, cry out for vengeance, since the Bible shows that the dead are unconscious? (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

Like the blood of righteous Abel, the blood of these Christian martyrs is crying out for justice. (Genesis 4:10)It was not that Abels blood was literally uttering words. Rather, Abel had died as an innocent victim, and justice called out for his murderer to be punished. Similarly, those Christian martyrs are innocent, and in justice they must be avenged. (Luke 18:7, 8)

[JosherForder]

Since the soul [or, life] of the flesh is in the blood, what is really represented as being at the foot of the altar is the blood of faithful servants of Jesus who were slaughtered because of their bold and zealous witnessing.—Leviticus 17:11.

[JosherForder]

The apostles own releasing (a·na·ly′sai) to be with Christ at his return and the Lords releasing (a·na·ly′sai, Lu 12:36) of himself from heavenly restraints to return as he promised. In no way is the apostle here saying that immediately at his death he would be changed into a spirit to be with Christ forever. Such getting to be with Christ the Lord will first be possible at Christs return, when the dead in Christ will rise first. - 1Th 4:15-17.

[JosherForder]

Isn't that different from the Roman Catholic church present position on the matter: The New Catholic Encyclopedia notes regarding the Catholic view: Theology today approaches the problem of hell from the angle of separation from God. Pope John Paul II said in 1999: Rather than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy.

[JosherForder]

Think of how many today and in the past did not of the True God or his Son. This chance once again reaffirms God's love and compassion.

[JosherForder]

Ezekiel 18:4 Is a great scripture for consideration. John 5:29 reads "the resurrection of judgment. " Condemnation is really an assumption. With cross referencing and some research it can help us to see God mercy in allowing a resurrection of unrighteous ones a chance to repent or sins and covert and follow God.

[JosherForder]

The Bible usage shows the soul to be a person or an animal or the life that a person or an animal enjoys. To many persons, however, soul means the immaterial or spirit part of a human being that survives the death of the physical body.

[JosherForder]

As well, respectfully, the term soul (Heb: ne′phesh, Gr: psy·khe′) and spirit (Heb. ru′ach and Greek pneu′ma) terms in both Biblical Hebrew, and Biblical (Koine) Greek. (Gen. 2:7; Gen 9:5; Rev. 16:3)

[JosherForder]

Respectfully, doesn't that seem redundant? Flesh and blood cannot enter the heavenly realm. 1 Corinthians 15: 36, 50. And according to the Bible God has already chosen some to live in the heavenly realm (Hebrews 3:1; Matthew 22:14; 1 Peter 2:9, 10; Revelation 20:6) Do all enter the heavenly realm? (Psalms 37:29; Matthew 22:14)

[JosherForder]

These some scripture you might find enlightening on the matter:

Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6; Genesis 1:20-23; Luke 8:52; Mark 5:39; John 11:11; Acts 7:60.

[djemil4]

Great answer thanks so much.

[drns2007]

please learn about papal inquisition.Know the truth

[drns2007]

please learn about papal inquisition.Know the truth

[drns2007]

No soul will be sent to Hell before judgement.

[drns2007]

As the word of God says.After death the soul goes to the paradise(resting place).then the JUDGEMENT and then Heaven or hell.

[drns2007]

Hello bro,remember the war is not against men on the earth.

[rkg62976]

It would seem that you are the one making a category error, no BOT. This is common even in Evangelical circles. They make the mistake of thinking the 'spirit' and 'soul' are the same things. The 'soul' is simply what a living body is when it has the spirit (ruwach), or breath of God animating all living, breathing things.

[rkg62976]

Gen.2:7 tells us that a living human is made up of TWO things: body+spirit (breath of God). These two things combined make a living soul. So when a person dies, the two things (body+spirit) are separated (Eccl.12:7). The 'soul' is no more, or, rather, is in a state of 'sleep' until the resurrection. The soul is not something that has existence in and of itself. This is Platonistic philosophy, not biblical theology. Luther and Tyndale both touched on this subject when debating purgatory.

[OneTrueChurch]

we adressed this in the video series. thanks

[rkg62976]

Eccl.12:7 supports the position of BOT. But you seem to think that the 'spirit' and the 'soul' are the same thing. They are NOT. Spirit= 'ruwach', and means a 'wind' or 'breath'--in the context of a living person, it is the breath of God in them that animates the body.

Soul= 'nephesh', and means a breathing creature. Nephesh (soul) is what someone IS when they have 'ruwach' (breath of God, spirit). When one dies, the 'ruwach' returns to God, body to grave. No consciousness in death.

[JosherForder]

Is further punishment for sin exacted after ones death?

Rom. 6:7, NAB: A man who is dead has been freed from sin. (Kx: Guilt makes no more claim on a man who is dead.)

[JosherForder]

I'm just curious how us Job 14:13; Acts 2:25-27 rendered in the Douay version.

[XvBiBleMaNvX]

I am completely against catholicism but I am on your side on this one through these first two videos

[onikos79]

what now theres comments

[OneTrueChurch]

yea. i decided to open it up

[JosherForder]

Regarding purgatory my friend, After reviewing what Catholic writers have said regarding such texts as 2 Maccabees 12:39-45, Matthew 12:32, and 1 Corinthians 3:10-15, the New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967, Vol. XI, p. 1034) acknowledges: In the final analysis, the Catholic doctrine on purgatory is based on tradition, not Sacred Scripture. The church has relied on tradition to support a middle ground between heaven and hell.—U.S. Catholic, March 1981, p. 7.

[JosherForder]

Something to consider is what the Bible say the penalty for sin is? Romans 6:23: The wages sin pays is death.

[JosherForder]

Additionally, after ones death, is he or she still subject to further punishment for his sins? Romans 6:7: He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

[JosherForder]

Are you going to make a video on purgatory?

[truthbeknowen]

where in the Bible does it talk about purgatory?