Though these guys are cute, especially the one on the viewer's right, neither one is as cute as Steve Sandvoss in "Latter Days," a film in which he plays a Mormon missionary. This movie can be found on the same on-line DVD websites on which on can find the movie "8: The Mormon Proposition" that is listed below.
dang they are cute! Being raised mormon though I tend to think missionaries are hot. And for the record they were not flirting, all Elders are just supposed to be friendly.
You can watch a YouTube video about a film on Mormons & Proposition 8, :
"Have Mormons Learned? — ReThink Interview: Linda Stay & Fred Karger from 8: THE MORMON PROPOSITION" by jsjkim
Everyone concerned about human rights and freedom in America should watch "8: The Mormon Proposition." You can find the DVD on-line at Amazon, TLA Video and Deep Discount DVD. Buy it and watch it. To do even more good, after you watch it, donate it to your local library.
Joe Smith was such a great prophet of God that when his wife caught him PORKING the teen maid, he "revealed", for the 1st time, that polygamy was divinely inspired (Wife #1 never bought the bullshit)
Later only to become a state, mormons flip-flopped on polygamy despite their prophet, so that's BS.
Romney's family tho, fled to Mexico illegally to keep polygamy going. Mitt's dad slipped back across the Rio Grande and was 1st MexicanAmerican to run for Prez. 100's of cousins remain in Mexico
I went to a black church because i think i passed out on the doorstep or sumthing? and fuck me was the music and hype entertaining. all fucking loud and fast hyped up singing i ended up joining along tryna sing the words with 1 massive hangover or probs still drunk? then after that all finished just went to the pub got e a 12 pack and headed off home ::)
Mormons can be lovely people but sadly enough they are in a cult and following false prophets and teaching another gospel something highly condemned in Galatians 1:6 for more info check out way of the master Mormonism on YouTube. Thanks.
I don't really think they are flirting. They are just being more down to earth to appeal to others. I know a lot of missionaries and most of them act silly like this all the time. After all they are just a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds.
Actually the book of Mormon wasn't written by man it was translated by man! The book of Mormon is just another testament of Jesus Christ just like the bible.
Bible is true. The book of mormon is NOT TRUE!!! That is why the whole World hates mormonism. These guys' brain washed and trying to wash your brain too!!! Be careful !!!
@MrDancermgl Your brainwashed for being ignorant! there is nothing wrong with having more books for scriptural studying. What you said, was like saying that Toast is better without the butter... Also! how can the whole world hate Mormons when 13-15 million of them are Mormons? seriously! if you are a true christian! have some respect on other people beliefs rather than tearing them down.
toast is better without butter. Also,Galations 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! Im sorry but the Book of Mormonion is proven to be false. Its made up of teachings of other christian denominations during Josephs time, plagiarism of the bible, Josephs made up beliefs and other occult books he read. Its a fact. If you trust your feelings that "its true" anyway, you will be held accountable.
@shvibzik123 Where did you get that false information from? your preacher? either way your research sucks! And for you to tell me that I will be held accountable for what I believe in is way off course. As Christ said "Judge not! lest ye be judged"
from a former mormon who does research. its all proven. your just blind. your church follows man not Jesus. This isnt judging. Im criticizing Josephs false doctrine and what is worse is that he made his sins doctrine. Im telling you what the bible says. you should take your time and read the new testament and see how it compares (probably very little) to the book of mormon, pearl of great price and other mormon doctrine all put together. mormonism is a completely different gospel.
@rettek808 also the reason i said that you will be held accountable is because truth is based on fact. LDS dont care about facts, they care more about feelings which can be decieving. the bible tells us this. Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" LDS trust feelings which is exaclty what the biblle tells us not to do. thats what i mean when i say you'll be accountable because you ignore the truth and only want to follow your feelings.
@shvibzik123 You contradicted yourself as a Christian! Christians base their belief on feelings!! as there is no facts of their own beliefs. You keep saying truth is based on fact so tell me! how do you know that the bible exists? or if any prophet from the bible is telling the truth? Also one thing you need to know friend is that we are Human, we all succumb to feelings such as Faith, Fear, Guilt, and Remorse. Maybe you should stop criticizing and do something else with your life friend.
Dear @rettek808, I did not contradict myself. I never said I based my faith on feelings did I? Those are your words. Although I am spiritually sensitive since it runs in my family. I learned not to make that mistake. Yes I do feel things. But then I check the bible, THE word of God and see if its in line with scripture, if not then I know its not of God. You are taught to say that you Know the church and your feelings are true.
@shvibzik123 How do you know the Bible is the word of god!!? what facts and evidence can you prove that it is?? 24,000 manuscripts are written by man! seriously how can you believe in something without feelings!? you just said you are spiritual which is undoubtedly a human feeling. So tell me sir!
there is textual, archeological & scientific proof for it. the bible was written by the same men that we read about in it. Moses, Solomon, Paul, Peter, John and other apostles. I told you. becuase we cant trust them. Satan can give good feelings too. Its easy to be deceived unless you read the bible and know whats true or not. You dont need feelings to support your faith. Thats all you need. Faith. in Christ. Most of the doctrine taught in your church isnt even in the Book Of Mormon, its sad!
your taught to say that you know the church, your feelings, what your prophets say is true, but do you ever read the bible to make sure what they preach is according to scripture? God along with his laws Never changes. unlike your church teaches. of course we all experience feelings. but im talking about how can you "feel" that your church is true? like i said human feelings are decieving. There are 24,000 manuscripts that prove the bible is real. and what about the BOM? theres nothing.
Really? Please both christian and mormons brain wash people into there "religion" which is riddled with historical and geographical errors to name a few. Both books were written by "Men" not jesus or even god. It just sound like your saying your imaginary friend is more real than there imaginary friend. Your just as brain washed as they are.
@lulu2dani I think the guys were just being nice and friendly. I think the girl is the one who was doing the "flirting" considering she even titled the video "Hot Vegas Mormons." By using the word "hot" shows where HER mind was, not theirs.
damm,did you makeout with them or you wasted your time chasing them at the chuch n get nothing back LOL..I used to stalk church dudes haha..just saying.I did hit a few and then got strange and never went back LOL..I used them..hahaa.
i never said i wanted mitt Romney to become president where did that even come from? mitt Romney is stupid and would be a horrible president. and there is no Joseph smith version of the bible because the book of Mormon is another testament of the bible not another version. the bible you read called the new world translation has been changed around so many times. the religion blatantly talks about showing hatred to people who are not in your religion and tells to to be deceitful and full of spite
I grow tired of this i can only pray the you will see the truth in the things i have said i hope you forgive me if i have come off as attacking you! it has not been my intent to anger you, Christ taught that we should love one another even our enemy! there is opposition in all things! good and bad right and wrong happiness depends on our choices, matthew 5:6 blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled.
# Why didn't any of the place names from the Book of Mormon still exist when Columbus arrived?
# Where was the Hill Cumorah? Was it in New York or Central America? If it was in Central America, why hasn't it been found? If it was in New York, how did they move that quickly and where are all the remains?
# Why don't gaps exist in the archeological record of Mesoamerica if these missing people existed?
God rejected the fig leaf aprons which Adam and Eve made (Gen. 3:21). Why do Mormons memorialize the fall by using fig leaf aprons in the secret temple ceremonies?
Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. Since he was wrong about the moon, is it safe to trust him regarding the way to Heaven? (The Young Woman's Journal, Vol. 3, pages 263-264. See repreint in Mormonism --Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner, page 4.)
@erinnelson92 again win with the anti-church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints propaganda and lies! the young woman's journal is not as has never been apart of Joseph smiths prophecy's. the only revelation from Joseph Smith that he ever said came from god came be found in the doctrine and covenants! if you insist on getting your information from deceitful,dishonest,prevaricators of lies, such anti-LDS propagandists like Jerald and Sandra Tanner you will never learn the truth.
@ABGAN100 these are your ppl talking its church history in the lds library, and Sandra and Jerald seen throught he church and god told them it was wrong, you are scared to know the truth, how long have you been anti-christain for? and mormon
@erinnelson92 they do not represent the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints, it is you who is scared to learn the truth! they are bitter anti- mormons who have distorted the truth! I have a testimony of my faith i have asked of god and know my beliefs to be true have you? you still haven't answered any of my questions! are you afraid to? is that why you avoid answering the questions? why you remain antagonistic!. your afraid of the answers!
@ABGAN100 I dont care if they do or not, the church is lies, the truth is truth no matter who is saying it or how there are saying it, what is your question? Your testimony is as worth as much a a bag a dog crap on a Sunday morning in July. your testimony is nothing but feeling, I relay on facts. I know Your are wrong not because of some feeling but because the bible says your wrong and the proof it stacked against you
@erinnelson92 and ye shall know them by their actions! matthew 7:16-17 even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. you have shown through your words, the type of fruit you have born and it is not good. your are filled with hate,and fowl language spews our your lips! if you rely on facts than you are no more than an atheists! Christians act on faith. a belief that they can not prove is true! like faith in god! can you prove god exists?
@ABGAN100 Please read the verse above that, this how you twist and read out of context this verse it talking about good prophets and false prophets, AND OF COURSE YOU CAN PROVE GOD EXIST YOU ARE SO BLASPHEMOUS YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IT YOUR THE ONE SOUNDING LIKE AN ATHEIST , I am glad joesph was exposed and killed for his crimes agaisnt humanity and so is god, and you you dont know the defintion of faith faith isn't bling, but it literally mean hope for the assured things to come
@erinnelson92 WTFF!?!? we don't wear fig leaf aprons in sacred temple "rituals" we don't even have rituals. honestly you sounded severely retarded when you said that. where did you even get this information??!?! wth all your doing is just babbling on and on about the same exact thing. your not answering anyones questions or providing real proof. you cannot bash Mormons if you get everything from anti-Mormon websites...and the bible you read is called the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION
@KennediSkyeB ok yes you do I am, very busy to have a converstaion with you and you will not listen anyways you read the joesph smith version of the bible and I read all bibles and you are very stupid and that is my final word you are a dumb mormon and mitt romney will never be president
Every Christian beware the Mormons are a false religion. Visits hotm.tv, utlm.tv Christian run websites that exposes Mormonism for what they are racist, power/money hungry polygamist, murdering , blasphemous cult
@ABGAN100 Erinnelson92 seems to be a Jehovah's Witness who goes around on Mormon YouTube channels to bash them and call them cults and stupid. She is not only bringing reproach upon her own religion by her arrogant and negative tactics, but she is not even following the advice of her own Organization by being here. Her horrible spelling, grammar, and mean-spirited nature are making her look bad to all viewers. I disagree with Mormonism, but at least you are much kinder than her. Peace.
@theslimshaylee You are such a stalker and your athesit who is creepy, And I'm rebuking you and the mormons in the name of JESUS CHRIST, I rebuke you and condemm you, 2tim4:1 and if I want to have bad grammer thats my problem you have no right to judge me, your not god!!
questions to ask mormons If mormonism is false would you want to know? most would say now,
if the book of mormon is suppose to be the most correct book on earth why has there been over 4,000 changes made to it? now rememer this is suppose to be a book spoken directly from god
@Snowball99 # Why did the angel take Nephi Plates back to heaven? Do they not belong with man? Would not their existence prove once for all that Mormonism is truth? God allowed the Jews to carry the 10 commandments for several centuries in their original physical form, written by the finger of God Himself!
@erinnelson92 And once again you have made my case for me.
My parents are Jehovahs Witnesses, But I am an atheist. I have arrived at this conclusion through years of careful research and thought.
You are making the JWs look horrible. My parents would be highly upset at what you are doing on here.
And yes...Jehovah's Witnesses have Elders. Every congregation has several elders. Members are supposed to listen to them and submit to their authority. They would disapprove of your activity here
@Snowball99 No I dont I know every congergation has elders, And jws are not a cult, and the bible doesnt say im doing anything wrong , men of this world are not my final authority the bible is
@erinnelson92 says:"[1]No I dont I know every congergation has elders, [2]And jws are not a cult, [3]and the bible doesnt say im doing anything wrong , [4]men of this world are not my final authority the bible is"
1: Then you must not be a JW. A real JW would know how her religion is organized
2: Cult experts include the Watchtower Society as a cult
@erinnelson92 If the plates were here on Earth and you were to look at them, then you'd be FORCED to believe. Everyone would be forced to become a Mormon. Would you want that? The gospel is about faith, believing in something you can't see but know to be true. We need to develop our faith to learn and grow spiritually, so that we can return to our father in Heaven someday.
hahahaha out of everything i've heard on the mormons that was the most entertaining. guys, I AM mormon. and our church is called the church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter day Saints. how is that not christian? the money we give does not go to any church leader like other religions. and I'm pretty sure we believe in only 1 God and in his son Jesus Christ. I am not racist in any way and know many Mormons who aren't, but know mormons who are along with every other religion. your gonna get it everywhere!
dude you seriously need to spend less time obsessing over a religion you know nothing about, and more time actually studying the mormon beliefs. then you will know the truth.
@erinnelson92 says:"I am typing really fast out of anger for your stupidness"
Matthew 5:22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You empty-head,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."
In all this game, the devil is the victim, is the scapegoat, will be acused of everything cause the GOD don’t want any rivals*. Conclusion: live at the full in the freedom of GOD (praying in a right form,following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible - keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.) instead of in the incapacity and limited power of devil cause he is just a temporary puppet. Jesus Christ is our savior and our hope!
People, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Religions are all about controlling and wanting your money. If you fall for it, I really fill sorry for you. At least I'm educated enough to know this and also know that the LDS is a racist religion and I don't know how anyone could have respect for themselves if you belong to the LDS. Can we say bullshit!! Time to wake up and smell the Koolaid..
@JPRamon68 yea, educated enough to know the difference between "fill" and "feel" lol Mormons are the nicest people I have ever met and not racist in any way. they don't pressure anyone into joining their church, what they have makes them happy and they want others to have that opportunity. And I'm pretty sure the LDS religion is one of the only religions that does not take money to pay the leaders. the members willingly give their money to help with the buildings and different church functions.
@theslimshaylee No the are so racist it's on their doctrine and the book of mormon all they want is your money they are not christain and a cult, they believe in many gods, and adam and eve were god,becareful of them, satan is using them to mislead the earth
@erinnelson92 so where are you getting your information? obviously not from the LDS church! I've never heard anything racist from or about the LDS church. and they are Christians who are obviously against Satan and everything that Satan stands for!
@ABGAN100 well read 2 nephi in the book of mormon where it say black are cursed, then listen to the lds prophet Brigham young where he say being black is an abomination, and then do some research and you will see up until 1978 blacks weren't allowed in the lds temples, and the klu klux klan also say they stand against Satan, Mormons are NOT CHRISTIAN anyone with a brain knows that they added to the bible, preach a different Jesus their jesus is the BROTHER OF SATAN, THEIR GOD WAS ONCE SINNER
@erinnelson92 where in second Nephi I've looked i cant find it! and Brigham young did not say the the blacks are an abomination he said that at this time they are descendants of Cain and all descendants of Cain were curses you can find that in the bible, and there for cannot hold the priesthood and that until god lifted the curse on the the descendants of Cain. which a later profit declared he had occurred in a revelation given to him by god giving blacks the right to hold the priesthood.
@ABGAN100 HAHAHA you make my day lets go one by one, read hebrews 1:1.2 it says that jesus was the last prohet so joesph couldn't have been, two the lds do so much bad for the world polygamy, Mountains meadow massacre where the officail mormon church killed over 178 women men and children, they called themselves the dannites, Mormons believe in many gods read mormon doctrine and covenats 132:
Respond to this video...The bible didnt say they were cursed with BLACK SKIN YOU RACIST MORMON it say there was a mark it could have been FRECKLES!!! YOUNG SAID IT WAS BLACK SKIN AND IF YOU MIX WITH A NEGRO YOU WILL DIE
@erinnelson92 I didn't say that the bible said the curse was black skin! the bible dose not clarify what the mark was! i said a modern day prophet called of God,clarified that the mark given to the decedents of Cain was black skin! and their is nothing racist about saying that god chose black skin as a curse for the descendents of Cain.unless you think god is racist! and that curse was lifted in the 1970s the blacks in the church today are given all the same authority.
@ABGAN100 yes there is because mormons are saying it's god when it's just a old white man who is lying to people, there is something way wrong with your mind god is not racist mormons are
@erinnelson92 do you have difficulty comprehending the English language? because I was not declaring that god is a racist! i said a modern day prophet called of God,clarified that the mark given to the decedents of Cain was black skin! and their is nothing racist about saying that god chose black skin as a curse for the descendents of Cain.unless you think god is racist!
@ABGAN100 book of Hebrew was written by newly appointed apostle Paul after the death of Christ, in the first chapter OF HEBREWS" In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways
, 2but in these LAST DAYS he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. Notice how he said Last days, we know from the scriptures whenever the term last days is around we know it means the "times of the end"
@erinnelson92 that was over two thousand years ago,and Jesus has not spoken to gods children directly in the flesh sense that time! and their is nothing in the bible stating that god would no longer send prophets to guide his children in these latter days! why would god not send prophets to prepare his children for the second coming of Christ? John 14:1-4/18 acts:1:11 etc. when he did so for the first?
@erinnelson92 a flawed bible hand copied by monks for hundreds of years, and through hundreds of languages, many of the written gospels were not even included in the bible! and the lessons in the bible were written for the people of that time! much has changed in the world sense the time of Christ! why again would god not provide a Prophet to continue to guide his children in this day and age? with lessons relevant to our time and condition? to prepare them for his second coming!
@ABGAN100 I wanna cry right now, How dare you, the bible is real word from god and the book of mormon is dog craap written by satan himself, the bibel is infalible, every book that god wanted in the bible is in the bible there were no other books are you stupid!!And you plead people to think your Christian you are SOOO NOT AND YOUR LETTING EVERYONE SEE YOU TWISTED DOCTRINE!!! THERE IS ONE GOD, AND NO MORE PROPHETS, GOD GAVE US HIS COMPLETE INSTRUCTION MANUEL. Mormonism is one big lie
@erinnelson92 yes the bible is the word of god, but not the only word of god,the question is why do you believe that the bible is the word of god? and why would you attack the book of Mormon without knowing anything about it! with out having read it! how do you know the bible is as it was 2000 years ago? It has been written and rewritten countless times by hand, over hundreds of years! your letting every one see how closed minded you are! 1 Samuel 15:23-28 stubbornness is as iniquity.
@erinnelson92 one took place in Israel the other in America. on the other side of the planet! the book of Mormon is not an account of the Lebanese or the Palestinians or Jerusalem or that part of the world but an account of the those people who were living on the American continent.so of coarse their experiences would be different!
@ABGAN100 you still didnt answer the questions above, and that is not true after jesus died he remained in heaven he never came to america that not biblical
@erinnelson92 Christ purpose for coming the first time was fulfilled via the atonement. he said he would come again so why would he not send a prophet to prepare the way for his return? to guide and prepare his children for the return of his son?
@ABGAN100 christ came to die for us,he already prepared the way it needs no more preparing, you are not a child of christ because you are not a christain, there is no heavenly mother, and joesph smith was a lawbreak a gold digger, and child molestor, and thomas monson is a false lying dog
@erinnelson92 how can you call yourself a christian when you bare false witness, against another when you spout vile lies, about a man you have know knowledge of! you simply repeat the lies of others, to my knowledge that is not a christian attitude! didn't Christ say love one another, doesn't the bible say Judge not, that ye be judged mathew 7:1 and not to bare false witness? Perhaps your should examine your own beliefs, rather than blindly attacking those of others.
@ABGAN100 everything I wrote about Joseph is true your in denail, and your a hypocrite look at all the things you called me!!, and I have the right and duty as a christain to tell you your in false religion 2tim 4:1 , you havent provided any scripture in context to back up the lds cult, and you still havent agreed for me to send you some biblical proof via email because oyur afraid ask your self if the church was false would you want to know? if the bom was false would you want to know?
@erinnelson92 how can you sat it is true when you can provide no proof, and i have provided many scriptures that back up the my conviction concerning the LDS church! and I don't give out my email.for my own reasons. you have provided no proof that your beliefs are correct every scripture you have provided is subject to interpretation! and their are hundreds of christian churches that interpret the scriptures in different ways! have i insulted your beliefs or the leader of your religion?
@ABGAN100 I have read the book of mormon and The pearl of great price ,your making a ass of yourself right now, I attack your leaders because I hate everything they stand for, Mormonism is the most anti-Christian religion out there today, you blasphemy god, disgrace Christ, put down the bible, and that snowball guy is a mormon look at his channel! THE BIBLE IS NOT UP FOR INTERPRETATION, it is absolute truth .
@erinnelson92 what i have said about was out of observation,derived from what you have written! you have blatantly attacked the leaders of the LDS church calling Joseph Smith a child molester and Monson a lying dog, with no verifiable proof, i can only assume that your ill gotten hatred stems from some propaganda written by anti-Mormons. for there is no legitimate proof of these lies!
@erinnelson92 I think your afraid to learn the truth for your self! afraid to answer the questions that I have asked of you! Afraid to question your own belief! If god provided LIVING Prophets and apostles to guide his people his children in the biblical times than why would he not do the same for his people his children in our time? what father would abandon his children? why would god abandon his children?
@ABGAN100 actually we do have living prophets and apostles that lead and teach out people right now in our time. Right now the current lds prophet is Prophet S. Monson.
@snowangel246 yes I am quite aware of this and that was my point in posing those questions! to @erinnelson92 because the logical answer to those questions is that yes he would provide living prophets in our day and age, because god loves all his children the same.
@erinnelson92 If your belief is based solely on physical evidence,words written in a book than perhaps you are no better than an atheists. for atheists do not believe in god because they say their is no evidence for his existence. but if you derive your belief from faith some feeling confirming the truth of your convictions than perhaps you should practice what the bible preaches! challenge your convictions and search for the truth. 2 Corinthians:4:2
@ABGAN100 # "Will you, as a Mormon, please read the Bible cover to cover and ask God to reveal to you that it contains all of God's message to man and that parts are not lost or altered and that the Book of Mormon is false?"
Mormon Article of Faith #8: "We Believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." Why do you only add the phrase, "as far as it is translated correctly" to describe the Bible and not after the book of Mormon when in fact there are far more translating errors in the Book of Mormon than the Bible?
@erinnelson92 the bible is a collection of works written by prophets and apostles, there are a number of whom have written in their books that say noting should be added or subtracted by your logic they should have stopped with the teachings of Deuteronomy! and the LDS church has never committed any crimes, in fact they are an extremely charitable people, unlike the KKK that killed blacks. any one with a brain would know that the LDS People are Christians and believe in Christ.
@ABGAN100 gal!: EVEN IF WE or an ANGEL OF LIGHT comes to you with another gospel let him be accured, the bible clearly say do not add or take away the book of mormon literally contradicts that and at the front page of the book of mormons it says ANOTHER TESTAMENT LOL HAHA Mormons are deceived by satan himself but if you try to show them scripture they'll tell you, YOU CAN'T TRUST THE BIBLE, that's why there is the book of mormon(which they wont admitt there has been over 4,000 changes to it
@erinnelson92 “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev. 22:18–19.)these words do not refer to the whole bible as most people know the bible is a compendium of books written by a number prophets and apostles. if you take rev.22 for face value than you must conclude that you need to throw out the new testament!
@ABGAN100 Yes they do thaats why paul was writing books!!duhh because he was inspired of holy spirit he knew they would be of our benifit all the books he ansd the other apostle wrote
@erinnelson92 perhaps their is a vast waist land that exists between your ears, a lack of intelligence, and a minimal grasp of the English language. that makes it difficult to alter the path of your thinking. critical reasoning seams to be beyond your grasp. but I'll try anyways. just encase,my analysis of you is incorrect! first why would god withdraw the holy spirit from this day and age?If god is our father than why would he abandon us in our time, and only favor children of bible times?
@ABGAN100 you are soooo stupid but it's typical of mormons, god never toke away his holy spirit in fact he gave us more of it, prophets where only around to tell of a messiah and prepare the way of a messiah jesus came and he was the last prophet, When he died he said IT IS FINISHED EVERYthing we need to know is in the BIBLE NOT THE BOOK MORON, Joesph was one of the biggest liars con man In religion ever he got people to believe he found gold plates in his back yard.
@erinnelson92 again I query have you difficulty understanding the English language, I never suggested that god "toke" took away the holy spirit! and where in the bible dose it say the the only purpose of Prophets is to prepare the way for the coming of Jesus!
@ABGAN100 Ok your not my English teacher, I am typing really fast out of anger for your stupidness, any ways what was the purpose of moses and abrham, and issac,? God promised them the seed would come from their line, So everything in the old testament was to prepare for a future messiah thaat was the jews hope it life for a messiah, everything the prophets did was it war, or laws, ect, was to help in making the way for jesus, To quide people ok I making a video post!!!
@erinnelson92 what was the purpose of Mathew Mark Luke John, all of whom were prophets after the coming of Christ. who continued to write the gospels after the coming of Christ. why would they need to continue to prepare the people for his coming? Amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets".the purpose of a Prophet was to establish a direct line of communication between man and God! so God could reveal will to his children.
@erinnelson92 In Amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets"mankind has not become any less wicked, so why would he stop providing council to his children! if you were a parent and you saw that your children were making bad choices would you remain silent? do you think that the advise your great great grandpa gave to his children would be just as relevant today!
@erinnelson92 language has changed over the years, so translating something written in the past is not always easy and much can be misinterpreted. example the parable of the rich man easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man inter the kingdom of god! the word "Needle" today is not the same as it was back then. in that time the eye of a needle was the side entrance through the wall of a city. with this understanding the meaning of the parable changes!
@ABGAN100 I made a video it not showing up I will do it later but, what you are saying is not true, needle is the saame since it was invent many years before christ, the bible is infalible and this is what makes you not christain, the video response ill explain it more
@erinnelson92 Google eye of needle you will find a great variation of interpretation of what the eye of a needle was! this is why Amos 3:7 is reliant today amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his Secret unto his servants the prophets" with out a prophet who communicates with god, how are his people to know the true meaning of the scriptures?
@ABGAN100 Before jesus left he repeatedly said I will send you a helper to help you in ALL THINGS, ALL THINGS, That helper is holy spirit holy spirit helps us with scripture the bible helps us understand the bible not some adulterer named joesph smith, I will send you more info on prophets since there is to much for this comment box
@erinnelson92 for one Joesph Smith was not an adulterer look up the definition of adultery! 2nd numbers 12:6,(god speaks through Prophets Luke 1:70 (God Speaks through Prophets, and Amos 3:7( god reveals his secrets through prophets) all declare the need and purpose for Prophets. if you have read the bible you would know that a great number of prophets in the bible had multiple wife's. plural marriage was common in those days.
@ABGAN100 Joepsh had a wife he cheated oin them he's and adulter and a child molestor, And like I said old testament, sacrifices where common also should we do those? slavely was also allowed should we do that, there is a differnce in allowed and accepted god didnt approve he just didnt step in like he doing know a days, and when they did have more than one wife they were punishes ex, Solomon, and jesus gave us christains a commandment adam eve in the beggining and one man and one woman now
Joesph was married he cheated on his wife with 23 other women some of them who where teenagers so he is also a child molestor. And those scriptures dont say god still speaks through prophets it is talking about the past, and again amos is old testameant because jesus in heb says he is the last here are some scriptures that say there are no more prophets Hebrews 1:1-2, and slavery, animal sacrifice, and many other things where alos practice but jesus came so those things where no longer needed.
@ABGAN100 And god never approved of polygamy he punished Solomon for having over 700 wives, god allowed it but didnt accept it, there is difference since he gives us free choice, polygamy wasn't THE intended plan nor was it after jesus came and said one man one, one women.
@erinnelson92 LDS members do not take the scriptures out of context, all of these scriptures are subject to interpretation, I've read them, but they were all written nearly 2 thousand years ago! do you really think that god who is our father would forget about his children? and not give them a living prophet to guide them! Jesus was a living prophet, but he no longer resides on this earth! Jesus spoke to god just as Moses, and all the other prophets, so why not today? are we not as beloved?
@ABGAN100 Yes you do! Tour so brainwashed you cant see it, I READ THE BOOK OF MORMON I went to the lds website, and just cause it not produced by the church doesn't make it anti, I am trying to help you if you see it or not, and there you go again bashing christainity and gods word, the bible has so much proof and evidence, the bom zip! The book of mormon contradicts the d and c and its self and the bible, not today because the holy spirit will guide us and we know Jesus told us everything need.
Joseph never cheated on his wives that is propaganda passes on by anti- Mormons there is no proof to those allegations! and god doesn't make mistakes he make commandments, that which he dose not approve of he calls a sin! so your argument about god not approving past prophets having multiple wives is a poor one at best.
@erinnelson92 if you truly believe in god, and believe that the bible is the word of god, then instead of debating the meaning of scriptures written 2 thousand years ago, why not just ask of god the truth. you have obviously read a lot of anti Mormon propaganda! perhaps you should read what they say, they have a web sight! LDS.org
@erinnelson92 their are no scripture stating that Jesus said that "IT IS FINISHED EVERYthing we need to know is in the BIBLE" the bible had not even created at that time. it wasn't until Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea around 325AD where a council of bishops decided which of the gospels would be combined to make up the bible! The very word bible comes (From Greek βιβλια—biblia, meaning "books",
Respond to this video...Mormons are ridiculous, with where they get their theology, ask them have they prayed if the book of mormon is false?...uhh no because I FEEL IT IS TRUE THEY WILL SAY
@erinnelson92 if you have prayed for conformation that the book of Mormon is true and receive witness of its truth than why would you then need to ask god if it is false? you might as well be asking god if he is lying!
@ABGAN100 the holy spirit only testifys of truth not of lies so the book of moron cant be true ohh I cant wait until you meet jesus face to spiritual face and you are going to condem the lds church left and right pleaded for forgiveness
@erinnelson92 Yes the holy spirit testify of truth, this is true! so how have you come to the conclusion that the holy spirit has testified that the book of Mormon is not true? all Mormons believe that the holy spirit has testified to them that the book of Mormon is true! other wise they would never have joined the church!
@ABGAN100 They had a good feeling about the book of mormon the same feeling that muslims have for the koran there is NO biblical proof or even and proof at all for the book,mormons think with there feeling if it feels good it must be true, but listen that is not true reason with me reseason with god howw come every other christain religions KNOWS NOT TO HAVE MORE THAN THE BIBLE AND KNOWS THERE IS NO MORE PROPHETS?
One has to give it to these guys. They possess a great sense of humour, and they are good sports. Way to go, guys!
RCSVirginia 3 days ago
Though these guys are cute, especially the one on the viewer's right, neither one is as cute as Steve Sandvoss in "Latter Days," a film in which he plays a Mormon missionary. This movie can be found on the same on-line DVD websites on which on can find the movie "8: The Mormon Proposition" that is listed below.
RCSVirginia 3 days ago
I hope you didnt go Mormonism is in fact a cult
2002lees 3 days ago
these people are pagans of the most horrid kind. they believe that regular men can become gods
it's kaballistic black magic in spirit.
this is the book Christ raged against - the secret oracle
millerlois23 1 week ago
This is cute.
subbeh69 1 week ago
dang they are cute! Being raised mormon though I tend to think missionaries are hot. And for the record they were not flirting, all Elders are just supposed to be friendly.
SlytherinChica06 1 week ago
Mormonism is crazy. Religion is crazy. Mormons pumped 20 million $ into Prop H8te.
fitasafiddle123 2 weeks ago
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RCSVirginia 3 days ago
I had 2 come to my place, we ended up having a 3 some
appleism100 2 weeks ago
Did you actually go to church the next day?
lifesamovingtarget 3 weeks ago
These two guys are cute, Then you go and all the guys there are 70 and over, And you find out the two cute guys are actors, Clever, Very clever.
BadAssVampires1 3 weeks ago
I didn't know there was such a thing as a "hot" mormon.
redshark618 3 weeks ago
i used to ride a road bike there and see these guys in full attire. Meanwhile I had no shirt on with salt trails on my back it was so hot!
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Joe Smith was such a great prophet of God that when his wife caught him PORKING the teen maid, he "revealed", for the 1st time, that polygamy was divinely inspired (Wife #1 never bought the bullshit)
Later only to become a state, mormons flip-flopped on polygamy despite their prophet, so that's BS.
Romney's family tho, fled to Mexico illegally to keep polygamy going. Mitt's dad slipped back across the Rio Grande and was 1st MexicanAmerican to run for Prez. 100's of cousins remain in Mexico
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1:54-59 LOL, pair of cute lions.
dorisfenella 3 weeks ago
mormons are so cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
annette94t 4 weeks ago 2
These elders are pretty cute haha. Theres just something about men who love that Lord that is so appealing :)
cheyannecw 1 month ago 3
My favorite gay porn include these mormon guys getting fucked.
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@MaximilianMontesa Oh you are sick
dorisfenella 3 weeks ago
I was a mormon until they discovered i was gay then they did'nt want to know it's great not having to lison to there crap anymore mormon scum
STEVE38465 1 month ago
I can't wait to be a missionary and serve God.
yellowcorba1 4 weeks ago
I went to a black church because i think i passed out on the doorstep or sumthing? and fuck me was the music and hype entertaining. all fucking loud and fast hyped up singing i ended up joining along tryna sing the words with 1 massive hangover or probs still drunk? then after that all finished just went to the pub got e a 12 pack and headed off home ::)
Yabbadooly 1 month ago
Mormons can be lovely people but sadly enough they are in a cult and following false prophets and teaching another gospel something highly condemned in Galatians 1:6 for more info check out way of the master Mormonism on YouTube. Thanks.
mamainmancj 1 month ago
When I was a missionary I bagged so many girls... The best part of being a missionary.
luomio 1 month ago
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@luomio XD XD XD Now you don´t have to bag them. Don´t be mean.
dorisfenella 3 weeks ago
the one on the right is cute
theassortedjellybean 2 months ago
Heeeey, Did you go to church in the end? Church is dang amazing!!
CupCakeMist 2 months ago
I don't really think they are flirting. They are just being more down to earth to appeal to others. I know a lot of missionaries and most of them act silly like this all the time. After all they are just a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds.
batmansluva 2 months ago 2
Too bad there is a high likely hood that they are homosexual.
tokenmuchochiba 2 months ago
oh i want to fuck them boys. hahah fucking stupid moral preaching but cute mormons
282myname 3 months ago
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...mormons are so fucking charming. is there such a thing as a mormon fetish.
stayprettybaby 3 months ago
Those guys need to get laid.
chrismontoya79 3 months ago 4
Actually the book of Mormon wasn't written by man it was translated by man! The book of Mormon is just another testament of Jesus Christ just like the bible.
mosulaman 3 months ago
Heheh I just love people trying to do good for other people ^_^
chrstilen5 3 months ago
Mm MM, the guy on the right.
jarvisel 4 months ago in playlist Mormon
This is disrespectful...I am not Mormon, but they deserve respect.
panjaltx 4 months ago 3
@panjaltx I agree! I mean who would really do something like that on their free time...?
rettek808 4 months ago
Bible is true. The book of mormon is NOT TRUE!!! That is why the whole World hates mormonism. These guys' brain washed and trying to wash your brain too!!! Be careful !!!
MrDancermgl 4 months ago
@MrDancermgl Your brainwashed for being ignorant! there is nothing wrong with having more books for scriptural studying. What you said, was like saying that Toast is better without the butter... Also! how can the whole world hate Mormons when 13-15 million of them are Mormons? seriously! if you are a true christian! have some respect on other people beliefs rather than tearing them down.
rettek808 4 months ago
toast is better without butter. Also,Galations 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! Im sorry but the Book of Mormonion is proven to be false. Its made up of teachings of other christian denominations during Josephs time, plagiarism of the bible, Josephs made up beliefs and other occult books he read. Its a fact. If you trust your feelings that "its true" anyway, you will be held accountable.
shvibzik123 2 months ago
@shvibzik123 Where did you get that false information from? your preacher? either way your research sucks! And for you to tell me that I will be held accountable for what I believe in is way off course. As Christ said "Judge not! lest ye be judged"
rettek808 2 months ago
from a former mormon who does research. its all proven. your just blind. your church follows man not Jesus. This isnt judging. Im criticizing Josephs false doctrine and what is worse is that he made his sins doctrine. Im telling you what the bible says. you should take your time and read the new testament and see how it compares (probably very little) to the book of mormon, pearl of great price and other mormon doctrine all put together. mormonism is a completely different gospel.
shvibzik123 2 months ago
@rettek808 also the reason i said that you will be held accountable is because truth is based on fact. LDS dont care about facts, they care more about feelings which can be decieving. the bible tells us this. Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" LDS trust feelings which is exaclty what the biblle tells us not to do. thats what i mean when i say you'll be accountable because you ignore the truth and only want to follow your feelings.
shvibzik123 2 months ago
@shvibzik123 You contradicted yourself as a Christian! Christians base their belief on feelings!! as there is no facts of their own beliefs. You keep saying truth is based on fact so tell me! how do you know that the bible exists? or if any prophet from the bible is telling the truth? Also one thing you need to know friend is that we are Human, we all succumb to feelings such as Faith, Fear, Guilt, and Remorse. Maybe you should stop criticizing and do something else with your life friend.
rettek808 2 months ago
Dear @rettek808, I did not contradict myself. I never said I based my faith on feelings did I? Those are your words. Although I am spiritually sensitive since it runs in my family. I learned not to make that mistake. Yes I do feel things. But then I check the bible, THE word of God and see if its in line with scripture, if not then I know its not of God. You are taught to say that you Know the church and your feelings are true.
shvibzik123 2 months ago
@shvibzik123 How do you know the Bible is the word of god!!? what facts and evidence can you prove that it is?? 24,000 manuscripts are written by man! seriously how can you believe in something without feelings!? you just said you are spiritual which is undoubtedly a human feeling. So tell me sir!
rettek808 2 months ago
there is textual, archeological & scientific proof for it. the bible was written by the same men that we read about in it. Moses, Solomon, Paul, Peter, John and other apostles. I told you. becuase we cant trust them. Satan can give good feelings too. Its easy to be deceived unless you read the bible and know whats true or not. You dont need feelings to support your faith. Thats all you need. Faith. in Christ. Most of the doctrine taught in your church isnt even in the Book Of Mormon, its sad!
shvibzik123 2 months ago
your taught to say that you know the church, your feelings, what your prophets say is true, but do you ever read the bible to make sure what they preach is according to scripture? God along with his laws Never changes. unlike your church teaches. of course we all experience feelings. but im talking about how can you "feel" that your church is true? like i said human feelings are decieving. There are 24,000 manuscripts that prove the bible is real. and what about the BOM? theres nothing.
shvibzik123 2 months ago
@MrDancermgl
Really? Please both christian and mormons brain wash people into there "religion" which is riddled with historical and geographical errors to name a few. Both books were written by "Men" not jesus or even god. It just sound like your saying your imaginary friend is more real than there imaginary friend. Your just as brain washed as they are.
MrSinister84 3 months ago
The one on the right is so cute!
blaketheamazeing 4 months ago
The Majority of them are gay and drink soda, while preaching against homosexuality and caffeine to everyone else!
remusnigga 5 months ago
Momons are fukn fine as fuk but their religion sucks ass
they dont do shit no masturbate no party no nada dam how boring lol but they bomb
916nene 5 months ago 2
@erlisaz
Yes. Mission terms are two years in length
Ihopyourpancakes 5 months ago
are these guys back from their mission???
erlisaz 5 months ago
flirt to convert hahaha
straightjacketunion1 6 months ago 37
More preaching, less flirting boys.
lulu2dani 6 months ago 13
@lulu2dani I think the guys were just being nice and friendly. I think the girl is the one who was doing the "flirting" considering she even titled the video "Hot Vegas Mormons." By using the word "hot" shows where HER mind was, not theirs.
Yrhp8268 1 week ago
They are hot.
lulu2dani 6 months ago
damm,did you makeout with them or you wasted your time chasing them at the chuch n get nothing back LOL..I used to stalk church dudes haha..just saying.I did hit a few and then got strange and never went back LOL..I used them..hahaa.
isabellayessi 7 months ago
Flirting with missionaries... haha. There are way cuter ones in Hawaii. Just saying.
Tesereta 7 months ago
haha Anderson and Romito!
jnicktrue 7 months ago
did you go?
beehivepres1 7 months ago
did you go
beehivepres1 7 months ago 2
i never said i wanted mitt Romney to become president where did that even come from? mitt Romney is stupid and would be a horrible president. and there is no Joseph smith version of the bible because the book of Mormon is another testament of the bible not another version. the bible you read called the new world translation has been changed around so many times. the religion blatantly talks about showing hatred to people who are not in your religion and tells to to be deceitful and full of spite
KennediSkyeB 7 months ago
love hung mmormons
elenavlada 7 months ago
u guys OK????
hunnyrider 7 months ago
Whoremonger.
MrJuxtapoz2010 8 months ago
"How long" - 9 inches.
PhotoGalleria 8 months ago
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I grow tired of this i can only pray the you will see the truth in the things i have said i hope you forgive me if i have come off as attacking you! it has not been my intent to anger you, Christ taught that we should love one another even our enemy! there is opposition in all things! good and bad right and wrong happiness depends on our choices, matthew 5:6 blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled.
ABGAN100 8 months ago
# Why didn't any of the place names from the Book of Mormon still exist when Columbus arrived?
# Where was the Hill Cumorah? Was it in New York or Central America? If it was in Central America, why hasn't it been found? If it was in New York, how did they move that quickly and where are all the remains?
# Why don't gaps exist in the archeological record of Mesoamerica if these missing people existed?
erinnelson92 8 months ago
God rejected the fig leaf aprons which Adam and Eve made (Gen. 3:21). Why do Mormons memorialize the fall by using fig leaf aprons in the secret temple ceremonies?
erinnelson92 8 months ago
Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. Since he was wrong about the moon, is it safe to trust him regarding the way to Heaven? (The Young Woman's Journal, Vol. 3, pages 263-264. See repreint in Mormonism --Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner, page 4.)
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 again win with the anti-church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints propaganda and lies! the young woman's journal is not as has never been apart of Joseph smiths prophecy's. the only revelation from Joseph Smith that he ever said came from god came be found in the doctrine and covenants! if you insist on getting your information from deceitful,dishonest,prevaricators of lies, such anti-LDS propagandists like Jerald and Sandra Tanner you will never learn the truth.
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 these are your ppl talking its church history in the lds library, and Sandra and Jerald seen throught he church and god told them it was wrong, you are scared to know the truth, how long have you been anti-christain for? and mormon
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 they do not represent the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints, it is you who is scared to learn the truth! they are bitter anti- mormons who have distorted the truth! I have a testimony of my faith i have asked of god and know my beliefs to be true have you? you still haven't answered any of my questions! are you afraid to? is that why you avoid answering the questions? why you remain antagonistic!. your afraid of the answers!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 I dont care if they do or not, the church is lies, the truth is truth no matter who is saying it or how there are saying it, what is your question? Your testimony is as worth as much a a bag a dog crap on a Sunday morning in July. your testimony is nothing but feeling, I relay on facts. I know Your are wrong not because of some feeling but because the bible says your wrong and the proof it stacked against you
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 and ye shall know them by their actions! matthew 7:16-17 even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. you have shown through your words, the type of fruit you have born and it is not good. your are filled with hate,and fowl language spews our your lips! if you rely on facts than you are no more than an atheists! Christians act on faith. a belief that they can not prove is true! like faith in god! can you prove god exists?
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 Please read the verse above that, this how you twist and read out of context this verse it talking about good prophets and false prophets, AND OF COURSE YOU CAN PROVE GOD EXIST YOU ARE SO BLASPHEMOUS YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IT YOUR THE ONE SOUNDING LIKE AN ATHEIST , I am glad joesph was exposed and killed for his crimes agaisnt humanity and so is god, and you you dont know the defintion of faith faith isn't bling, but it literally mean hope for the assured things to come
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 WTFF!?!? we don't wear fig leaf aprons in sacred temple "rituals" we don't even have rituals. honestly you sounded severely retarded when you said that. where did you even get this information??!?! wth all your doing is just babbling on and on about the same exact thing. your not answering anyones questions or providing real proof. you cannot bash Mormons if you get everything from anti-Mormon websites...and the bible you read is called the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION
KennediSkyeB 7 months ago
@KennediSkyeB ok yes you do I am, very busy to have a converstaion with you and you will not listen anyways you read the joesph smith version of the bible and I read all bibles and you are very stupid and that is my final word you are a dumb mormon and mitt romney will never be president
erinnelson92 7 months ago
Every Christian beware the Mormons are a false religion. Visits hotm.tv, utlm.tv Christian run websites that exposes Mormonism for what they are racist, power/money hungry polygamist, murdering , blasphemous cult
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 Erinnelson92 seems to be a Jehovah's Witness who goes around on Mormon YouTube channels to bash them and call them cults and stupid. She is not only bringing reproach upon her own religion by her arrogant and negative tactics, but she is not even following the advice of her own Organization by being here. Her horrible spelling, grammar, and mean-spirited nature are making her look bad to all viewers. I disagree with Mormonism, but at least you are much kinder than her. Peace.
Snowball99 8 months ago
@Snowball99 umm that was awesome. lol
theslimshaylee 8 months ago
@theslimshaylee You are such a stalker and your athesit who is creepy, And I'm rebuking you and the mormons in the name of JESUS CHRIST, I rebuke you and condemm you, 2tim4:1 and if I want to have bad grammer thats my problem you have no right to judge me, your not god!!
erinnelson92 8 months ago
Respond to this video... you are mormon you are condemmed
erinnelson92 8 months ago
questions to ask mormons If mormonism is false would you want to know? most would say now,
if the book of mormon is suppose to be the most correct book on earth why has there been over 4,000 changes made to it? now rememer this is suppose to be a book spoken directly from god
erinnelson92 8 months ago
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theslimshaylee 8 months ago
@Snowball99 # Why did the angel take Nephi Plates back to heaven? Do they not belong with man? Would not their existence prove once for all that Mormonism is truth? God allowed the Jews to carry the 10 commandments for several centuries in their original physical form, written by the finger of God Himself!
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 Erin, why are you asking me these questions as if you think I believe in mormon doctrine? I certainly do not.
Snowball99 8 months ago
@Snowball99 yes you do your a mormon, if not and your a christain why are playing lawyer and trying to stumble me in front of the unbelievers?
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 No, Erin. I am an atheist.
I tried to show you why your methods are counter-productive, but you dont listen.
1. You arent converting anyone. You are erecting barriers
2. You are being extremely rude and obnoxious.
3. You are bringing reproach upon your own organization, the Jehovah's Witnesses
4. Your elders would not approve of your activity here.
5. You are making the JWs look bad
6. A JW calling the Mormons a cult and stupid? Anyone see some irony here?
Snowball99 8 months ago
@Snowball99 1. why do you give a crap?
2. You are annoying
3. you are a mormon and you in a cult
4. I dont have elders? wtf are you tlking about
4. you dont know what your talking about
5. and it is highly productive because to tell someone what the bible says is always productive
6. you have no made any biblical points that I am wrong
7. atheist are even more dumb than mormons
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 And once again you have made my case for me.
My parents are Jehovahs Witnesses, But I am an atheist. I have arrived at this conclusion through years of careful research and thought.
You are making the JWs look horrible. My parents would be highly upset at what you are doing on here.
And yes...Jehovah's Witnesses have Elders. Every congregation has several elders. Members are supposed to listen to them and submit to their authority. They would disapprove of your activity here
Snowball99 8 months ago
@Snowball99 No I dont I know every congergation has elders, And jws are not a cult, and the bible doesnt say im doing anything wrong , men of this world are not my final authority the bible is
erinnelson92 8 months ago
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@erinnelson92 says:"[1]No I dont I know every congergation has elders, [2]And jws are not a cult, [3]and the bible doesnt say im doing anything wrong , [4]men of this world are not my final authority the bible is"
1: Then you must not be a JW. A real JW would know how her religion is organized
2: Cult experts include the Watchtower Society as a cult
3: Titus 3: 9,10 ; Phil 4: 8
4: Hebrews 13: 17
Snowball99 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 If the plates were here on Earth and you were to look at them, then you'd be FORCED to believe. Everyone would be forced to become a Mormon. Would you want that? The gospel is about faith, believing in something you can't see but know to be true. We need to develop our faith to learn and grow spiritually, so that we can return to our father in Heaven someday.
cindybin2001 7 months ago
hahahaha out of everything i've heard on the mormons that was the most entertaining. guys, I AM mormon. and our church is called the church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter day Saints. how is that not christian? the money we give does not go to any church leader like other religions. and I'm pretty sure we believe in only 1 God and in his son Jesus Christ. I am not racist in any way and know many Mormons who aren't, but know mormons who are along with every other religion. your gonna get it everywhere!
theslimshaylee 8 months ago
dude you seriously need to spend less time obsessing over a religion you know nothing about, and more time actually studying the mormon beliefs. then you will know the truth.
neftalyWOW 8 months ago
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@erinnelson92 says:"I am typing really fast out of anger for your stupidness"
Matthew 5:22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You empty-head,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."
Snowball99 8 months ago
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In all this game, the devil is the victim, is the scapegoat, will be acused of everything cause the GOD don’t want any rivals*. Conclusion: live at the full in the freedom of GOD (praying in a right form,following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible - keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.) instead of in the incapacity and limited power of devil cause he is just a temporary puppet. Jesus Christ is our savior and our hope!
diptdipt 8 months ago
sooooooo cute. lol.
tiffandrock 8 months ago
People, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Religions are all about controlling and wanting your money. If you fall for it, I really fill sorry for you. At least I'm educated enough to know this and also know that the LDS is a racist religion and I don't know how anyone could have respect for themselves if you belong to the LDS. Can we say bullshit!! Time to wake up and smell the Koolaid..
JPRamon68 8 months ago
@JPRamon68 yea, educated enough to know the difference between "fill" and "feel" lol Mormons are the nicest people I have ever met and not racist in any way. they don't pressure anyone into joining their church, what they have makes them happy and they want others to have that opportunity. And I'm pretty sure the LDS religion is one of the only religions that does not take money to pay the leaders. the members willingly give their money to help with the buildings and different church functions.
theslimshaylee 8 months ago
@theslimshaylee No the are so racist it's on their doctrine and the book of mormon all they want is your money they are not christain and a cult, they believe in many gods, and adam and eve were god,becareful of them, satan is using them to mislead the earth
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 so where are you getting your information? obviously not from the LDS church! I've never heard anything racist from or about the LDS church. and they are Christians who are obviously against Satan and everything that Satan stands for!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 well read 2 nephi in the book of mormon where it say black are cursed, then listen to the lds prophet Brigham young where he say being black is an abomination, and then do some research and you will see up until 1978 blacks weren't allowed in the lds temples, and the klu klux klan also say they stand against Satan, Mormons are NOT CHRISTIAN anyone with a brain knows that they added to the bible, preach a different Jesus their jesus is the BROTHER OF SATAN, THEIR GOD WAS ONCE SINNER
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 where in second Nephi I've looked i cant find it! and Brigham young did not say the the blacks are an abomination he said that at this time they are descendants of Cain and all descendants of Cain were curses you can find that in the bible, and there for cannot hold the priesthood and that until god lifted the curse on the the descendants of Cain. which a later profit declared he had occurred in a revelation given to him by god giving blacks the right to hold the priesthood.
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 HAHAHA you make my day lets go one by one, read hebrews 1:1.2 it says that jesus was the last prohet so joesph couldn't have been, two the lds do so much bad for the world polygamy, Mountains meadow massacre where the officail mormon church killed over 178 women men and children, they called themselves the dannites, Mormons believe in many gods read mormon doctrine and covenats 132:
erinnelson92 8 months ago
Respond to this video...The bible didnt say they were cursed with BLACK SKIN YOU RACIST MORMON it say there was a mark it could have been FRECKLES!!! YOUNG SAID IT WAS BLACK SKIN AND IF YOU MIX WITH A NEGRO YOU WILL DIE
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 I didn't say that the bible said the curse was black skin! the bible dose not clarify what the mark was! i said a modern day prophet called of God,clarified that the mark given to the decedents of Cain was black skin! and their is nothing racist about saying that god chose black skin as a curse for the descendents of Cain.unless you think god is racist! and that curse was lifted in the 1970s the blacks in the church today are given all the same authority.
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 yes there is because mormons are saying it's god when it's just a old white man who is lying to people, there is something way wrong with your mind god is not racist mormons are
erinnelson92 8 months ago
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@erinnelson92 do you have difficulty comprehending the English language? because I was not declaring that god is a racist! i said a modern day prophet called of God,clarified that the mark given to the decedents of Cain was black skin! and their is nothing racist about saying that god chose black skin as a curse for the descendents of Cain.unless you think god is racist!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 book of Hebrew was written by newly appointed apostle Paul after the death of Christ, in the first chapter OF HEBREWS" In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways
, 2but in these LAST DAYS he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. Notice how he said Last days, we know from the scriptures whenever the term last days is around we know it means the "times of the end"
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 that was over two thousand years ago,and Jesus has not spoken to gods children directly in the flesh sense that time! and their is nothing in the bible stating that god would no longer send prophets to guide his children in these latter days! why would god not send prophets to prepare his children for the second coming of Christ? John 14:1-4/18 acts:1:11 etc. when he did so for the first?
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 he speaks to us throught the bible send me your email address and I will send you more info
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 a flawed bible hand copied by monks for hundreds of years, and through hundreds of languages, many of the written gospels were not even included in the bible! and the lessons in the bible were written for the people of that time! much has changed in the world sense the time of Christ! why again would god not provide a Prophet to continue to guide his children in this day and age? with lessons relevant to our time and condition? to prepare them for his second coming!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 I wanna cry right now, How dare you, the bible is real word from god and the book of mormon is dog craap written by satan himself, the bibel is infalible, every book that god wanted in the bible is in the bible there were no other books are you stupid!!And you plead people to think your Christian you are SOOO NOT AND YOUR LETTING EVERYONE SEE YOU TWISTED DOCTRINE!!! THERE IS ONE GOD, AND NO MORE PROPHETS, GOD GAVE US HIS COMPLETE INSTRUCTION MANUEL. Mormonism is one big lie
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 yes the bible is the word of god, but not the only word of god,the question is why do you believe that the bible is the word of god? and why would you attack the book of Mormon without knowing anything about it! with out having read it! how do you know the bible is as it was 2000 years ago? It has been written and rewritten countless times by hand, over hundreds of years! your letting every one see how closed minded you are! 1 Samuel 15:23-28 stubbornness is as iniquity.
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 If Moroni devoutly practiced the Mormon Gospel, why is he an angel now rather than a God? (Doc. & Cov. 132:17,37)
erinnelson92 8 months ago
When Christ died, did darkness cover the land for three days or for three hours? (Luke 23:44 and 3 Nephi 8:19, 23)
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 one took place in Israel the other in America. on the other side of the planet! the book of Mormon is not an account of the Lebanese or the Palestinians or Jerusalem or that part of the world but an account of the those people who were living on the American continent.so of coarse their experiences would be different!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 you still didnt answer the questions above, and that is not true after jesus died he remained in heaven he never came to america that not biblical
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 again you assume that only the bible is the word of god!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 it is
TruthLikeWater 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 Christ purpose for coming the first time was fulfilled via the atonement. he said he would come again so why would he not send a prophet to prepare the way for his return? to guide and prepare his children for the return of his son?
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 christ came to die for us,he already prepared the way it needs no more preparing, you are not a child of christ because you are not a christain, there is no heavenly mother, and joesph smith was a lawbreak a gold digger, and child molestor, and thomas monson is a false lying dog
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 how can you call yourself a christian when you bare false witness, against another when you spout vile lies, about a man you have know knowledge of! you simply repeat the lies of others, to my knowledge that is not a christian attitude! didn't Christ say love one another, doesn't the bible say Judge not, that ye be judged mathew 7:1 and not to bare false witness? Perhaps your should examine your own beliefs, rather than blindly attacking those of others.
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 everything I wrote about Joseph is true your in denail, and your a hypocrite look at all the things you called me!!, and I have the right and duty as a christain to tell you your in false religion 2tim 4:1 , you havent provided any scripture in context to back up the lds cult, and you still havent agreed for me to send you some biblical proof via email because oyur afraid ask your self if the church was false would you want to know? if the bom was false would you want to know?
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 how can you sat it is true when you can provide no proof, and i have provided many scriptures that back up the my conviction concerning the LDS church! and I don't give out my email.for my own reasons. you have provided no proof that your beliefs are correct every scripture you have provided is subject to interpretation! and their are hundreds of christian churches that interpret the scriptures in different ways! have i insulted your beliefs or the leader of your religion?
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 I have read the book of mormon and The pearl of great price ,your making a ass of yourself right now, I attack your leaders because I hate everything they stand for, Mormonism is the most anti-Christian religion out there today, you blasphemy god, disgrace Christ, put down the bible, and that snowball guy is a mormon look at his channel! THE BIBLE IS NOT UP FOR INTERPRETATION, it is absolute truth .
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 what i have said about was out of observation,derived from what you have written! you have blatantly attacked the leaders of the LDS church calling Joseph Smith a child molester and Monson a lying dog, with no verifiable proof, i can only assume that your ill gotten hatred stems from some propaganda written by anti-Mormons. for there is no legitimate proof of these lies!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 who is providing you with your information on the LDS church? what is the source of your information?
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 I think your afraid to learn the truth for your self! afraid to answer the questions that I have asked of you! Afraid to question your own belief! If god provided LIVING Prophets and apostles to guide his people his children in the biblical times than why would he not do the same for his people his children in our time? what father would abandon his children? why would god abandon his children?
ABGAN100 8 months ago 2
@ABGAN100 actually we do have living prophets and apostles that lead and teach out people right now in our time. Right now the current lds prophet is Prophet S. Monson.
snowangel246 4 months ago
@snowangel246 yes I am quite aware of this and that was my point in posing those questions! to @erinnelson92 because the logical answer to those questions is that yes he would provide living prophets in our day and age, because god loves all his children the same.
ABGAN100 4 months ago
@erinnelson92 If your belief is based solely on physical evidence,words written in a book than perhaps you are no better than an atheists. for atheists do not believe in god because they say their is no evidence for his existence. but if you derive your belief from faith some feeling confirming the truth of your convictions than perhaps you should practice what the bible preaches! challenge your convictions and search for the truth. 2 Corinthians:4:2
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 yes my belief is 80 percent evidence and 20 faith but, isnt blind trust, it's faith in something I cant see
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 # "Will you, as a Mormon, please read the Bible cover to cover and ask God to reveal to you that it contains all of God's message to man and that parts are not lost or altered and that the Book of Mormon is false?"
erinnelson92 8 months ago
Mormon Article of Faith #8: "We Believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." Why do you only add the phrase, "as far as it is translated correctly" to describe the Bible and not after the book of Mormon when in fact there are far more translating errors in the Book of Mormon than the Bible?
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 the bible is a collection of works written by prophets and apostles, there are a number of whom have written in their books that say noting should be added or subtracted by your logic they should have stopped with the teachings of Deuteronomy! and the LDS church has never committed any crimes, in fact they are an extremely charitable people, unlike the KKK that killed blacks. any one with a brain would know that the LDS People are Christians and believe in Christ.
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 gal!: EVEN IF WE or an ANGEL OF LIGHT comes to you with another gospel let him be accured, the bible clearly say do not add or take away the book of mormon literally contradicts that and at the front page of the book of mormons it says ANOTHER TESTAMENT LOL HAHA Mormons are deceived by satan himself but if you try to show them scripture they'll tell you, YOU CAN'T TRUST THE BIBLE, that's why there is the book of mormon(which they wont admitt there has been over 4,000 changes to it
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev. 22:18–19.)these words do not refer to the whole bible as most people know the bible is a compendium of books written by a number prophets and apostles. if you take rev.22 for face value than you must conclude that you need to throw out the new testament!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 Yes they do thaats why paul was writing books!!duhh because he was inspired of holy spirit he knew they would be of our benifit all the books he ansd the other apostle wrote
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 perhaps their is a vast waist land that exists between your ears, a lack of intelligence, and a minimal grasp of the English language. that makes it difficult to alter the path of your thinking. critical reasoning seams to be beyond your grasp. but I'll try anyways. just encase,my analysis of you is incorrect! first why would god withdraw the holy spirit from this day and age?If god is our father than why would he abandon us in our time, and only favor children of bible times?
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 you are soooo stupid but it's typical of mormons, god never toke away his holy spirit in fact he gave us more of it, prophets where only around to tell of a messiah and prepare the way of a messiah jesus came and he was the last prophet, When he died he said IT IS FINISHED EVERYthing we need to know is in the BIBLE NOT THE BOOK MORON, Joesph was one of the biggest liars con man In religion ever he got people to believe he found gold plates in his back yard.
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 again I query have you difficulty understanding the English language, I never suggested that god "toke" took away the holy spirit! and where in the bible dose it say the the only purpose of Prophets is to prepare the way for the coming of Jesus!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 Ok your not my English teacher, I am typing really fast out of anger for your stupidness, any ways what was the purpose of moses and abrham, and issac,? God promised them the seed would come from their line, So everything in the old testament was to prepare for a future messiah thaat was the jews hope it life for a messiah, everything the prophets did was it war, or laws, ect, was to help in making the way for jesus, To quide people ok I making a video post!!!
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 what was the purpose of Mathew Mark Luke John, all of whom were prophets after the coming of Christ. who continued to write the gospels after the coming of Christ. why would they need to continue to prepare the people for his coming? Amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets".the purpose of a Prophet was to establish a direct line of communication between man and God! so God could reveal will to his children.
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 In Amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets"mankind has not become any less wicked, so why would he stop providing council to his children! if you were a parent and you saw that your children were making bad choices would you remain silent? do you think that the advise your great great grandpa gave to his children would be just as relevant today!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 language has changed over the years, so translating something written in the past is not always easy and much can be misinterpreted. example the parable of the rich man easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man inter the kingdom of god! the word "Needle" today is not the same as it was back then. in that time the eye of a needle was the side entrance through the wall of a city. with this understanding the meaning of the parable changes!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 I made a video it not showing up I will do it later but, what you are saying is not true, needle is the saame since it was invent many years before christ, the bible is infalible and this is what makes you not christain, the video response ill explain it more
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 Google eye of needle you will find a great variation of interpretation of what the eye of a needle was! this is why Amos 3:7 is reliant today amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his Secret unto his servants the prophets" with out a prophet who communicates with god, how are his people to know the true meaning of the scriptures?
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 Before jesus left he repeatedly said I will send you a helper to help you in ALL THINGS, ALL THINGS, That helper is holy spirit holy spirit helps us with scripture the bible helps us understand the bible not some adulterer named joesph smith, I will send you more info on prophets since there is to much for this comment box
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 for one Joesph Smith was not an adulterer look up the definition of adultery! 2nd numbers 12:6,(god speaks through Prophets Luke 1:70 (God Speaks through Prophets, and Amos 3:7( god reveals his secrets through prophets) all declare the need and purpose for Prophets. if you have read the bible you would know that a great number of prophets in the bible had multiple wife's. plural marriage was common in those days.
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 Joepsh had a wife he cheated oin them he's and adulter and a child molestor, And like I said old testament, sacrifices where common also should we do those? slavely was also allowed should we do that, there is a differnce in allowed and accepted god didnt approve he just didnt step in like he doing know a days, and when they did have more than one wife they were punishes ex, Solomon, and jesus gave us christains a commandment adam eve in the beggining and one man and one woman now
erinnelson92 8 months ago
Joesph was married he cheated on his wife with 23 other women some of them who where teenagers so he is also a child molestor. And those scriptures dont say god still speaks through prophets it is talking about the past, and again amos is old testameant because jesus in heb says he is the last here are some scriptures that say there are no more prophets Hebrews 1:1-2, and slavery, animal sacrifice, and many other things where alos practice but jesus came so those things where no longer needed.
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 And god never approved of polygamy he punished Solomon for having over 700 wives, god allowed it but didnt accept it, there is difference since he gives us free choice, polygamy wasn't THE intended plan nor was it after jesus came and said one man one, one women.
erinnelson92 8 months ago
Respond to this video... some scriptures on prophet taken in context Mormons LOVE TO TWIST AND READ OUT OF CONTEXT
Hebrews 1:1-2
2 Timothy 3:1
Matthew 21: 36-46, Mark 12:1-12, Luke 20,Mark 13:21,1 Corinthians 12: 27-29,John 16: 12-16John 17 :6-8
Acts 3: 21-24
1 Corinthians 13: 8-12
Zechariah 13: 3-4
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 LDS members do not take the scriptures out of context, all of these scriptures are subject to interpretation, I've read them, but they were all written nearly 2 thousand years ago! do you really think that god who is our father would forget about his children? and not give them a living prophet to guide them! Jesus was a living prophet, but he no longer resides on this earth! Jesus spoke to god just as Moses, and all the other prophets, so why not today? are we not as beloved?
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 Yes you do! Tour so brainwashed you cant see it, I READ THE BOOK OF MORMON I went to the lds website, and just cause it not produced by the church doesn't make it anti, I am trying to help you if you see it or not, and there you go again bashing christainity and gods word, the bible has so much proof and evidence, the bom zip! The book of mormon contradicts the d and c and its self and the bible, not today because the holy spirit will guide us and we know Jesus told us everything need.
erinnelson92 8 months ago
Joseph never cheated on his wives that is propaganda passes on by anti- Mormons there is no proof to those allegations! and god doesn't make mistakes he make commandments, that which he dose not approve of he calls a sin! so your argument about god not approving past prophets having multiple wives is a poor one at best.
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 if you truly believe in god, and believe that the bible is the word of god, then instead of debating the meaning of scriptures written 2 thousand years ago, why not just ask of god the truth. you have obviously read a lot of anti Mormon propaganda! perhaps you should read what they say, they have a web sight! LDS.org
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 their are no scripture stating that Jesus said that "IT IS FINISHED EVERYthing we need to know is in the BIBLE" the bible had not even created at that time. it wasn't until Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea around 325AD where a council of bishops decided which of the gospels would be combined to make up the bible! The very word bible comes (From Greek βιβλια—biblia, meaning "books",
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 Jesus will personally kill THOMAS S MONSON FOR BEING A FALSE PROPHET
erinnelson92 8 months ago
Respond to this video...Mormons are ridiculous, with where they get their theology, ask them have they prayed if the book of mormon is false?...uhh no because I FEEL IT IS TRUE THEY WILL SAY
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 if you have prayed for conformation that the book of Mormon is true and receive witness of its truth than why would you then need to ask god if it is false? you might as well be asking god if he is lying!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 the holy spirit only testifys of truth not of lies so the book of moron cant be true ohh I cant wait until you meet jesus face to spiritual face and you are going to condem the lds church left and right pleaded for forgiveness
erinnelson92 8 months ago
@erinnelson92 Yes the holy spirit testify of truth, this is true! so how have you come to the conclusion that the holy spirit has testified that the book of Mormon is not true? all Mormons believe that the holy spirit has testified to them that the book of Mormon is true! other wise they would never have joined the church!
ABGAN100 8 months ago
@ABGAN100 They had a good feeling about the book of mormon the same feeling that muslims have for the koran there is NO biblical proof or even and proof at all for the book,mormons think with there feeling if it feels good it must be true, but listen that is not true reason with me reseason with god howw come every other christain religions KNOWS NOT TO HAVE MORE THAN THE BIBLE AND KNOWS THERE IS NO MORE PROPHETS?
erinnelson92 8 months ago