The problem is, Bogus' push came really early because he skipped armory, comsats, and cut SCV. The proper response is DT with shuttle support. As soon as bisu saw no armory/comsat, he should have dropped a citadel and rushed to DT while adding gates. Instead he panicked and went with mass gates into 1a2a3a
By not punishing bogus for skimping on detection, Bisu threw away the game. Wtf are zealot-bombs gonna do? bogus is pumping vults from all facts. That's poor decision-making.
@bboydaduke Bisu may have considered that option, but the time required for citadel and templar archieve may have been too much to risk. By adding gateways (+ zealot bombs), he might get lucky mine explosion on tanks. Also Bisu probably considered the fact that the Terran is gonna put up turrets during the push, so DT was probably too much of a double edged sword for him.
I don't think u can even guarantee that Bisu wouldve won if he went for DTs. Thus, I feel his decision was ok.
The comments on this game are clearly from low-level players.
Bisu wasn't greedy at all, he had a build order loss because he went 1gate obs vs. rax CC. To get even you either do an aggressive play off 2 base (reavers usually) or you double-expand. This gives terran a timing window, but good toss players will cut probes and gate up like bisu did.
Your not thinking based off of whats going through bisu's head and why he did what he did. Your implying he made a mistake. not necessarily. Ive played plenty of games like this one and when terran came with their push i slowly stopped it. That made me macro up attack terran while possibly taking a fourth if desired
@konstantinNeo. So what is Toss suppose to do? Toss must be 1 expo ahead to be even foot. Only option left is for toss to work off two base arb? Or what fight when the battle then expand to a third while terran takes his third forcing toss to get a 4th. This is a perfect example of how a good terran has slight adv over toss. Getting a third and maintaining it from harrass while macroing up to terran is hard as hell. Good job bisu you tried. I know how it feels
@llmbs How about not letting Terran push across all the hills without even trying to stop him? How about not failing your every zealot bomb entirely by dropping them after tanks have already fired? Bisu didn't do a good job here at all...
Well it is not like Bisu had to win here. Perhaps he should have chosen a diff build for starters. Bogus have gone for eco early and it payed out, he did not rush to his opponent base but pushed carefully and did what he had to do.
If terran goes for 14CC and toss goes fast DT's and rapes, would you call that "a perfect example of PvT imba"? Of course not. I dont think that you loosing in BW can be attributed to any imba's in the game but because of your game mechanics. Peace.
Just because the opponent doesn't FD/Siege expand doesn't mean you can double expand off 1 gate obs. Bogus ain't Flash, he's not gonna sit back and double armory like he don't care. Disregarding Bisu's terrible decision-making in PvT engagements (where his multitasking doesn't help), he should either have expanded off at least 2-3 gates like free or cut probes/tech to get 8/9 gates in the moment he saw the 5 fac timing (and he saw that timing early with the obs, too...)
@ymir233 Well, in response to that "Flash" reference, Flash did a similar build as bogus, except he did a bunker rush at first. But everything else is pretty much the same; same spawn places, same match up. It's his game verses Dear[ScM].
@filipurb wasn't greedy? did you notice how fast that third was? If you call that normal timing, you have not played bw at all. Bisu went greedy build because of the fact that the third natural position is so easy to defend against vulture harass and got punished for it.
@seabard77 i know for guys like u is everything greedy or cheesy.. i watched like thousand vods over those years, i play iccup like 2 years but ure right...
The problem is, Bogus' push came really early because he skipped armory, comsats, and cut SCV. The proper response is DT with shuttle support. As soon as bisu saw no armory/comsat, he should have dropped a citadel and rushed to DT while adding gates. Instead he panicked and went with mass gates into 1a2a3a
By not punishing bogus for skimping on detection, Bisu threw away the game. Wtf are zealot-bombs gonna do? bogus is pumping vults from all facts. That's poor decision-making.
bboydaduke 1 month ago 3
@bboydaduke Bisu may have considered that option, but the time required for citadel and templar archieve may have been too much to risk. By adding gateways (+ zealot bombs), he might get lucky mine explosion on tanks. Also Bisu probably considered the fact that the Terran is gonna put up turrets during the push, so DT was probably too much of a double edged sword for him.
I don't think u can even guarantee that Bisu wouldve won if he went for DTs. Thus, I feel his decision was ok.
TalonRochefort 20 hours ago
The comments on this game are clearly from low-level players.
Bisu wasn't greedy at all, he had a build order loss because he went 1gate obs vs. rax CC. To get even you either do an aggressive play off 2 base (reavers usually) or you double-expand. This gives terran a timing window, but good toss players will cut probes and gate up like bisu did.
bboydaduke 1 month ago
Your not thinking based off of whats going through bisu's head and why he did what he did. Your implying he made a mistake. not necessarily. Ive played plenty of games like this one and when terran came with their push i slowly stopped it. That made me macro up attack terran while possibly taking a fourth if desired
llmbs 2 months ago
6:40 eight months pregnant enemy crabs
vdjshigga 2 months ago
Try the CC button and use "Translate Captions" its kind of funny, like a bad telephone game. Still fun.
konstantinNeo 2 months ago
This is textbook Rax Expand into 5 fac timing push to punish double toss expand.
konstantinNeo 2 months ago 6
@konstantinNeo. So what is Toss suppose to do? Toss must be 1 expo ahead to be even foot. Only option left is for toss to work off two base arb? Or what fight when the battle then expand to a third while terran takes his third forcing toss to get a 4th. This is a perfect example of how a good terran has slight adv over toss. Getting a third and maintaining it from harrass while macroing up to terran is hard as hell. Good job bisu you tried. I know how it feels
llmbs 2 months ago
@llmbs How about not letting Terran push across all the hills without even trying to stop him? How about not failing your every zealot bomb entirely by dropping them after tanks have already fired? Bisu didn't do a good job here at all...
Turbovolver 2 months ago
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@Turbovolver
Easier said than done. You couldn't do it if your life depended on it trust me.
llmbs 2 months ago
@llmbs "Shit, my fanboyism has been met with logic. Quick, to personal insults!" Of course I can't do it, I'm not a progamer. That's irrelevant.
Turbovolver 2 months ago
@llmbs
Well it is not like Bisu had to win here. Perhaps he should have chosen a diff build for starters. Bogus have gone for eco early and it payed out, he did not rush to his opponent base but pushed carefully and did what he had to do.
If terran goes for 14CC and toss goes fast DT's and rapes, would you call that "a perfect example of PvT imba"? Of course not. I dont think that you loosing in BW can be attributed to any imba's in the game but because of your game mechanics. Peace.
konstantinNeo 2 months ago
@llmbs lol @ you...
Just because the opponent doesn't FD/Siege expand doesn't mean you can double expand off 1 gate obs. Bogus ain't Flash, he's not gonna sit back and double armory like he don't care. Disregarding Bisu's terrible decision-making in PvT engagements (where his multitasking doesn't help), he should either have expanded off at least 2-3 gates like free or cut probes/tech to get 8/9 gates in the moment he saw the 5 fac timing (and he saw that timing early with the obs, too...)
ymir233 2 months ago
@ymir233 Well, in response to that "Flash" reference, Flash did a similar build as bogus, except he did a bunker rush at first. But everything else is pretty much the same; same spawn places, same match up. It's his game verses Dear[ScM].
/watch?v=8cWf1gMYtTQ&context=C311981eADOEgsToPDskLGgN54JAqldRyiRa91h10C
jinhk93 1 month ago
pathetic
wasdwasdedsf 1 month ago
Wow o.O, he made bisu look silly
Andrewsafb71 2 months ago
cmon he shoulda saw that with his observer
Herms123 2 months ago
not punishing a rax expand even though he had fast range and then doing an observer expand = death
Arrrghgagooga 2 months ago
Bisu with a poor micro is definetly something u dont see everyday
yonihod199 2 months ago
what's with this season..S class players are losing in an unbelievable way..
garymymedic 2 months ago
@garymymedic
bogus is not weak...
Bisu's PvT: 62% win
Bogus' TvP: 60% win
they're pretty even
xunap 2 months ago
@garymymedic No just Bisu,
TheMongolHordes 2 months ago
Greed is not Good!
one4aJIb 2 months ago
@one4aJIb he wasnt greedy, he went for normal double exp but if u didnt notice teran all-ined with like 20 scvs.
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@filipurb wasn't greedy? did you notice how fast that third was? If you call that normal timing, you have not played bw at all. Bisu went greedy build because of the fact that the third natural position is so easy to defend against vulture harass and got punished for it.
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@seabard77 i know for guys like u is everything greedy or cheesy.. i watched like thousand vods over those years, i play iccup like 2 years but ure right...
filipurb 2 months ago
bisu couldn't believe it..
gundamz 2 months ago
Disgusting!
vuk911 2 months ago
Great play by the winner
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callofduty7813 2 months ago
Game starts @2:10
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