155Millimeter schools "Millerusaf" on difference between service, and DMR rifles.

[Orex1993]

"The SDM-R was an accurized M16 rifle (5.56x45mm NATO caliber) built in-house by the U.S. Army Advanced Marksmanship Unit, and was informally known as "the AMU rifle". The SDM-R is designed to provide engagement capability at the squad level to 600 meters, similar to the needs expressed by members of USSOCOM that led to the development of weapons such as the United States Navy Mark 12 Mod X Special Purpose Rifle (SPR) and the SEAL Recon Rifle."

just thought this should be up here.

[Grunt922]

this thing between u and miller..pretty childish.

[155Millimeter]

@Northcascader

And either way I could care less if the dude is "Red Horse" or not. Fact is: I have been laughing my @ss off ever since his real job was leaked out! So I enjoy his tuff guy attitude, and tuff guy Red Horse rants! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! It gives me something to laugh at! LOL!

[155Millimeter]

@Northcascader

He will argue that he is attached to a "Red Horse" Unit, however he IS NOT a "Red Horse."

Being attached to a Red Horse Unit, does not make you the same job as them, just like a 92Y or 71L being attached to a Red Leg Unit does not make them Red Legs. If a 92Y or 71L was attached to my Unit calling himself a Red Leg, I would publicly consider him a "VALOR THIEF" attempting to steal our Red Leg Valor...

If that shoe fits him, he should wear it proudly... ;)

[155Millimeter]

@Northcascader

Red Horse is a construction M.O.S., and he is not a construction M.O.S., therefore he is not even this so-called Red Horse that he so highly prides himself as being here on youtube. Being an Ailine Flight Steward who is attached to a Red Horse Construction Unit DOES NOT MAKE YOU A "Red Horse", just like being a 71 Lima attached to a Red Leg Field Artillery Unit DOES NOT MAKE YOU A RED LEG... ;)

Everything about this guy is full of sh#t, and he called me fake. LOL!

[155Millimeter]

@Northcascader

1st fact: I had never even heard of the words "Red Horse" until I saw them come out of his mouth here on youtube. So most likely this was just more of his usual bullsh#t blowing things out of proportion here on youtube, or making this so-called "Red Horse" look elite, like us Red Legs, Tankers, and Grunts, when really they are "unknown".

2nd Fact: I looked up "Red Horse" just to see what it means, and he IS NOT a Red Horse...

-Cont.

[155Millimeter]

@Northcascader

True that. He's the biggest fake on youtube. For over 31/2 years now he has been pretending to be a USAF ground soldier, who's job consists of training, and using Rifles, and pistols here on youtube. The whole time he refused to tell what his job is. Well turns out one of his buddies he serves with found out about his role playing channel here on youtube, and came on and let the cat out of the bag about his USAF job, and turns out he is a USAF "Airline Flight Steward." LOL!

[lukedillon1995]

you are wrong ask the seals and the phillipene special forces about a dmr ........ever heard of an mk12 .....they both use it and its 5.56 and is capable of engaging targets effectivly out to 800 meters so get your facts straight before you go blabbing your mouth

[155Millimeter]

@lukedillon1995

There were no MK12's back in my day. They just started using that rifle in Iraqi Freedom, and Enduring Freedom.

So get your facts straight before you start blabbing your mouth kid... ;)

[155Millimeter]

@lukedillon1995

@ 800 meters the 5.56 would just barely break the skin dumb@ss...

[Virgil072]

Its more up the ammo and the intrinsic accuracy of the rifle itself. The M98B would be more accurate simply based on the system it employs (bolt-action). Less moving parts, better lock up, better tolerances, etc... I wish I had an accurized M16 for light work out here. Easier to blend in w/ an Infantry squad tooting a black M16 then a Tan M110 that sticks out when doing stay behind operations/ SKT insertions. Easily 800 meter capable with Mk262.

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

That's why I got the Barrett M98B, because it is superior in accuracy.

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

They are 1-2 MOA Rifles. I have talked to many guys who own the M82A1, and they even admit this is true.

[Virgil072]

handgunlover- I'm not saying they won't. Every now and again you will find an M107 that shoots 1 MOA, but the vast majority of them will shoot 2 MOA at best with Mk 211 which is the closest thing the conventional snipers get in terms of match grade .50 ammo. "Barret" rifles are accurate, just not so much with normal Armor Piercing Incendiary (API) that is shot out of the M107, essentially de-linked M2 Ammo. I would love to see what the 107 does with match ammo...

[155Millimeter]

@Virgil072

I agree the M107 is a 1, to 2 MOA rifle at 100 yards. This is one of the things I studied up on, and made me decide to get the Barrett M98B. The M98B is a .5 MOA Rifle, and a hell of alot more superior on accuracy.

I still like the M107, but true it does suffer in MOA accuracy.

[Virgil072]

@155Millimeter- More like a 2-3 MOA weapon, dependent on the ammo you have. Service ammo that is, what civi's can stick through thier's is something I dont worry about because I can't. API- 3 MOA and Mk211 is 2 MOA.

[Virgil072]

A Sniper Weapon System is constituted as a weapon system that fires within 1 MOA or less at 100 Meters. Technically, a M107 Barret isn't considered a proper SWS. Engagement distance has nothing to do to it. Its the accuracy and consistency of the rifle itself that determines its ability. I'm a qualified B4 ASI holding 11B. You need to read more and open your trap less.

Iron sights ride on our M110 SASS rifles, and yes, they go in to combat. WTF you gonna do if your optic goes down? Give up?

[155Millimeter]

@Virgil072

Oh REALLY!? 1 MOA!? You just taught me something.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOT... I don't need irons on this rifle because I am no longer in the Military. So you can keep your iron sights, they were training wheels to me.

As for me shutting my trap... I doubt I'd be taking that advise from an 11B like you... Know your role, and remember who you call to bail your ass out, that is is you ever have been in some shit that is... I was a 13B... ;)

[silvermediastudio]

While most if not all of what is said here is correct, USMC SDMs have/do carry accurized 20" M16A1s, in 5.56, w/ KAC 600m flip-up iron. Fitted with TS-30A2 Leupold 3-9x or ACOG in daylight, or PVS-22 at night. For more info, research M16A1 SAM-R. This is by no means their only option. The decision of what to carry is a mission-dependent trade-off; force, profile, logistics.

PS I'm not on either side of your YouTube battle, just providing information I know from my own professional experience.

[hydrashok556]

I really like the heavy barrel scoped 5.56 as something to extend your range in a SHTF situation. I doubt anyone would ever be presented with a shot (other than punching through barriers) where 7.62NATO would be an advantage.

Cool thing about the 5.56 AR platform is that my fighting rifle would use the same mags and ammo as my scoped varmint AR.

Also I was making solid body hits on a 200 yard target with my 6920 and 4 MOA Aimpoint. Not sniper grade groups, but 5.56 to the body ain't no joke.

[155Millimeter]

@hydrashok556

I saw another genius comment, and then I looked down and saw it was you. LOL! I was like d@mn man why is it only few of us on here have a clue. You actually bring up pretty d@mn good points.

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

Poor, Poor, "Pat Tillman" God rest his soul, was killed in Afghanistan because a couple of a couple of idiots thought iron sights made their rifle a "DMR" as well...

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

He's a tool... He's the guy who is so far back in the race, that he actually thinks he is winning... LOL! ;)

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

He's doing that because he thinks we will come behind him with a 300 yard group, and laugh at him. LOL!

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

Also "milli vanilli" needs to quit "role playing" with his subs ith his "I accurized my AR with an aftermarket accurized rear sight" BREWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW! That is not the kind of accurization that a legit "DMR" rifle is equipped with! It has an "accurized barrel" capable of SUB MOA. LOL! That rear sight is not going to tighten up his bullet MOA in that 1-2 MOA barrel. LOL! But he tried, maybe next year he will finally get a little closer to a 1 up on ol' 155... LOL!

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

The funny thing is everyone knows I'm right on par with this video, and it is a good example of how "FAIL" youtube really is, a whole bunch of milli vanilli's subs felt sorry for him getting owned by this video so they commented below his video pretending to support his "DMR" delusions. LOL! I love bringing facts to the table noone can dispute. If I'm wrong, then why are they using scoped and "accurized barrel" M14's over there?

155 racks up yet another "win"...

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

miller reads books on the subject of combat... ;)

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

Saddam was dead when miller got over there, miller has never served outside the wire, or ever been in any harms way...

He can hit a volkswagen with his AR15 at 500 meters though... ;)

[unmotomarine0351]

its not even about using irons out to 700, 800 meters. sure, can it be done with a 556? of course. but thats on a white and black fucking target on a clear open range. so for a range gun, hypothetically, you can have a "AR15 DMR".

in REALITY, you CANNOT shoot out past 300 meters with irons....why? because for you to shoot someone, you have to POSITIVELY ID THEM. how the fuck are you gonna do that with irons? i cant PID someone at 300 meters and beyond with plain eyesight.

[155Millimeter]

@unmotomarine0351

Very good point. Something I had no thought of.

In my opinion anyone running iron on a rifle, and call it a "DMR" is stuck out in the world of make believe anyway or he has never served outside the wire... ;)

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

I have already shot mine to well out past 800, across farmland, and I have shot them for distance several times in the past, which tells me miller has never shot an AR past 300 yards, and this particular AR was his first time ever shooting an AR as far as 300 yards... His lack of experience speaks worlds in several of his videos. Now he is reading about combat in gun magazines that try to sell you an AR15, and he recites what the magazines say in his videos. ;)

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

Yeah that sounds correct. This guy has no clue what he even gargles about here on youtube. He reads books and magazines on combat, and then spouts rhetorical stuff to his subs... All of it told me long ago the guy has never been put in harms way... He is the type looking for a story to tell...

[slowtaknow]

You have been out of the army way too long and have become an armchair bullshiter

[155Millimeter]

@slowtaknow

Magazines are made to "shill" people who read books about combat... LOLOLOL!

[slowtaknow]

You sir are wrong,often might I add.read the fm.dmr's can be 7.62 as well as 5.56.it's the shooter not the gun,for the most part.you could add an acog if you need it.perhaps you have been out of the military to long.

[155Millimeter]

@slowtaknow

LOL! Your boy miller is a magazine soldier, and believes the magazines that try to sell him the AR15... That magazine is where he learned his DMR sh#t! And it is an adveetisement to try and get you to buy AR's LOLOLOL! There is no such thing as a NON scoped DMR, and there is not one DMR in the U.S. Army, or Marines chambered in 5.56 Nato. LOL!

[unmotomarine0351]

@155Millimeter

the MK12 is a DMR and is in the USMC inventory. its a 5.56.

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

All the DMR bullsh#t put aside, because his iron sight rifle is not equipped to fulfill the role of DMR. I pretty much guarantee you that he is also running a standard 1-2 MOA rated barrel, meaning that AR is not even accurized! I will look into the MOA on those "High Standard" barrels. That is not a "Bull" barrell, or a 24" which tells me that barrel is probably rated standard 1-2 MOA @ 100... If so then that is even more FAIL. LOL!

[aleos210]

Ur the one who said its 7.62 smart guy..so why the question mark haha

[155Millimeter]

@aleos210

I said DMR chambered in 7.62X51... You said 7.62X39 and it reassures us all you know what you are talking about... LOL!

[aleos210]

U dont gotta get all pissy cuz ur getting exposed bud,it will be ookkk,and ur my hero baby lol shhiitttttttt :)

[155Millimeter]

@aleos210

Ever shot an AR out past 500 yards? I didn't think you had... It's obvious your boy miller has never shot one out past 300 yards, and I'm pretty sure just the other day was his first time shooting an AR out to 300...

I've shot mine over twice that distance thru a farm field... I speak from experience... AR service rifles run out of gas at DMR range.

[theinfedel]

ok 

[aleos210]

7.62 x 39 my ass...wrroonnngggg buuuddddyyy its 5.56 my cuz is a SDM with 3 tours under his belt,he says your full of bullshit...millerusaf is right..but if u need profile views keep doin what your doing... one day someones gonna expose you!! :) have a nice day!

[155Millimeter]

@aleos210

LOL! Really! 7.62X39?! XD

[155Millimeter]

@aleos210

I bet he was running iron sights to just like your hero over there to right? LOLOLOL!

[Aimstraight762]

we had Mk 12's shooting 77gr. match kings for DMR's. The whole idea of a DMR is that you have extra capabilities of precision (point) targets with out carrying an M40 around. It also has the effect of not being targeted by the enemy as a sniper. You are carrying a similar looking weapon that is just more accurate. Most importantly, you still have the ability to shoot 30 rd. magazines.

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

true.

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

There's alot of "Role Players" here on youtube... ;)

[theinfedel]

The designated marksman is intended to fill the gap between the typical infantry rifle and longer-range sniper rifles. The typical service rifle is intended for use at ranges up to 500 meters while sniper rifles are generally used at ranges of 1,000 The U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division saw limited use of a modified M16 which was accurized in a manner similar to the SAM-R, unofficially designated the AMU Squad Designated Marksman Rifle (SDM-R).The Corps also utilizes an adaptation of the M16

[theinfedel]

The SPR used PRI flip-up front sight with an elevation dial The Mk 12 Mod 0 uses PRI flip-up front sight. The SPR/A, SPR/B, and Mk 12 Mod 1 use the KAC rail foreend flip-up front sight. The SPR and Mk 12 Mod 0 use the ARMS #40 flip up rear sight. The rest of the models use the KAC 600 meter flip up rear.used by Special Operations Forces of both the U.S. Army and U.S. Navy, is a heavily modified designated marksman variation of the AR-15/M16 line , and is chambered for standard 5.56x45 nato

[theinfedel]

and i think even the sniper rifles m40A whatever they are now have irons. barret 50BMG have irons back ups for sure

and there are so many different models versions how can you say for sure what hasnt been passed down from diffrent units to reserve and national guard they sure dont send them back old shit trickels down dont it/

[155Millimeter]

@theinfedel

The Browning .50 Anti-Material Machine Guns we had mounted to our 155, and Cat V has irons on them to...

Are they also DMR rifles?

If we scoped those Browning .50's, would that make them Barretts...?

[theinfedel]

@155Millimeter i dont think you know how every DMR is settup in every millitar unit acoss the world lets just say

youve been out a while yes is it not possible? why not...

carlos hathcock if thats spelled right used a 50bmg scoped as a sniper weapon.....In 1967 Hathcock used a Browning M2 machine gun mounting a telescopic sight at a range of 2,286 m (2,500 yd), taking down a single Vietcong guerilla....was that not a sniper shot / with a sniper rifle

its how you use it yes?

[155Millimeter]

@theinfedel

DMR are not equipped with irons. What I say in this video is fact. 1st of all it is obvious miller has never shot an AR past his 300 yards range, I also predict he will never be shooting that far as his range only goes to 300 yards... Anyone who has shot an AR out past 300 yards would know what I say in this video is common sense... ;)

[155Millimeter]

@theinfedel

DMR have irons, but those are for backup only... DMR's are Scoped Rifles chambered in 7.62 Nato...

[theinfedel]

@155Millimeter so (Naval Surface Warfare Center Crane Division) say's diffrent on the chambering but hay

look it up small arms review magizine yes its real

new changes to SOPMOD and The M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System is intended to replace the M24 Sniper Weapon System used by snipers, spotters, designated marksman, or squad advanced marksmen in the United States ArmyThe United States Marine Corps will also be adopting the M110 to replace the M39 and Mk 11 as a complement to the M40A5.

[theinfedel]

@155Millimeter "If we scoped those Browning .50's, would that make them Barretts...? "

why would they be a barrett? does barrett make M2's then yes if not NO

they would have a designation of what ever you your company would use them for!

i have a 16"heavy fluted barrel on a ar15 free floated with a miculek break instead of a flash hider WHYbecause i am more interested in killing the S.O.B that i am aiming at then hiding from him

faster shot placement is more important

[155Millimeter]

@theinfedel

It's evident, just like your boy miller, you have never shot a 5.56 out to 500 meters, and on out...

Come back when you can speak from experience...

[NullArc555]

I love how he puts coasters on his table so he doesn't scratch it

[silvermediastudio]

While most if not all of what is said here is correct, USMC SDMs have/do carry accurized 20" M16A1s, in 5.56, w/ KAC 600m flip-up iron. Fitted with TS-30A2 Leupold 3-9x or ACOG in daylight, or PVS-22 at night. For more info, research M16A1 SAM-R. This is by no means their only option. The decision of what to carry is a mission-dependent trade-off; force, profile, logistics.

PS I'm not on either side of your YouTube battle, just providing information I know from my own professional experience.

[unmotomarine0351]

@silvermediastudio

what he said.

we had Mk12s in Iraq on both deployments with 2 different battalions, tho most people (who are not Marines), think only the Navy gets the mk12s.

[unmotomarine0351]

the Mk12 is a DMR, and is 5.56.

[KiloSierraAlpha]

That a-hole actually blocked me because I said that a rifle that's chambered in 5.56 and is a DMR DOES NOT EXIST in US Army/USMC inventory.

The little role playing bitch accused me of trolling him and blocked me like a little cunt that he is.

It shows what kind of a punkass boy that he is. He's no man. He's just a coward. I feel sorry for men who serve with this idiot.

[unmotomarine0351]

@KiloSierraAlpha

what about the MK12? thats considered a DMR. or at least it was in my battalion.

[155Millimeter]

@KiloSierraAlpha

Good job! If he blocked you then that means he knows you are right, and you won the arguement, trust me he did the same to me long ago. I handed him his @ss not long ago in regards to precision rifles and marksmanship, and he immediately blocked me and cried like a little b#tch... Good job when he blocks you, with him it means you won! ;)

[StiThis1]

so do you gotta link to the guy with the dmr 500 yard iron sight claims?

[lpdavisakgto]

have you seen Mikhail 408 cheytac sweet gun

[DRprofessorBOOTY]

i've gotten right at 1000 yards hitting center of mass with the 7mm rem mag. its a very underestimated round.

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

I have shot one as well. Yes they are very accurate. They used to be $5000.00, they must have went down.

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

That's just this guy man, he's livin' in his own little world... ;)

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

LOL! Yeah that's true. Not alot of common sense on youtube...

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

Also at that range the 5.56 Nato runs out of gas. That's why 7.62 Nato is the "Official" round for DMR...

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

I can hit at 700, and I have done it with 55 grain FMJ. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttt... Still my AR15 is not made for the purpose of a DMR rifle.

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

The Knights Armament Corporation M110 is a DMR on steroids... It was initially a decision between the M110 or the M98B for my new rifle, but the Barrett was the full deal for long range. That's why I opted for the Barrett. The only advantage the M110 has is the semiauto action.

[155Millimeter]

@handgunlover

You are a much better shot than miller. I saw that in your .45 @ 100 yards shoot. ;)

[xBangergoosEx]

Jesus dude will you give it a fucking rest? Who cares if he says some stuff that isnt accurate, you dont need to keep making videos pointing out his flaws. How about instead, you show us how well YOU can shoot your own goddamn rifle?

[155Millimeter]

@xBangergoosEx

Hey I told your boy not to start sh#t with my channel that he can't back up... I'm just finishing what he started. And anyway this is all truth. What if someone goes out and buys a rifle, or gear based on his false information...? Huh? They may be unsatisfied with the rifle, after spending their hard earned money on it.

[xBangergoosEx]

@155Millimeter hes not my boy, im just stating what i have observed. I like your videos because you're level-headed and know your shit, but i dont like how you two guys keep going back and forth insulting each other.

[155Millimeter]

@xBangergoosEx

Hey i don't have a problem with the guy when he's not playing games with my channel. But like I said when he starts I will go back at him. And I play this game better. 

[SocomElite187]

I said the same about optics, he said dmrs dont need optics...

[155Millimeter]

@SocomElite187

You are a smart man.

As for him, just more proof of what I said all along that the guy has been once again caught "Role Playing". I already could tell right off he had just started shooting when he first got here to youtube a couple of years ago, and these days he is now shilling others with false information who want to learn about real world marksmanship. LOLOLOL!

The 5.56x45 Nato cannot fullfill the duties of a Military DMR. Both you and I know that as fact...

[SocomElite187]

@155Millimeter I wouldn't go anything less then an m14 m21 ebr kit. 

[155Millimeter]

@SocomElite187

Exactly. You hit the nail on the head bro!

[TheDiceAreLoaded]

@SocomElite187 Ok so miller thinks he can make an accurate shot out to 600 with that rifle and iron sights? What the hell has he been smoking?

[SocomElite187]

@TheDiceAreLoaded I have no doubt that the m16 platform can reach out to 600 meters, The 5.56 isnt going to have much stopping power at that distance.

[155Millimeter]

@SocomElite187

I agree, the 5.56 is not gonna have the power. You are a smart man, you need to start making videos so we can help keep the "Role Play" in check around here on youtube. LOL!

[155Millimeter]

@SocomElite187

He is doing his "google research" right now, and he will be putting up a "RAGE" video later watch... LOLOLOLOL! I will be kicking back and laughing my @ss off at him.

One thing you learn about this guy real quick once you see who he really is behind the camera, you will know he is the type who constantly twists stuff around, or shift things to meet his purpose. LOLOLOL!

A true "Role Playing" work of art. He should have gotten into acting... LOL!

[155Millimeter]

@TheDiceAreLoaded

I think he is all about "advertisement" these days... LOL!

[155Millimeter]

@TheDiceAreLoaded

What miller don't understand is this is a real life scenario, and not youtube fantasy about hitting at 600 yards, between turning the camera on and off, and editing videos. It's about hitting accurately everytime on the first shot. A DMR can do that at 600-800 yards Scoped. That's why DMR's are Scoped...

And yeah 5.56 Nato can shoot past 500 meters, and 7.62 Nato can shoot past 800 meters, however by DMS standards 5.56 = Service Rifle, 7.62 Scoped = DMR...