I'm a flickin disorder man. "chaos" in action. I went on practices, they had too big voltage in electrical outlet and electronic devices starts to burn. then we had steam in officess and water on walls. I changed work, database with warehouse positions was deleted by spyware program :) wtf ?? that's me "chaos in action".
Companies have the right to hire who they want, when they want. Just like people have the right to apply where they want. That doesn't guarantee them a job. Work ethics- make the company from ALL levels. Cited instances where Unions have crashed a company is too long to list in this forum.
This is the biggest load of shit I have ever seen. I like in Arizona which is a right to work state and I love it. All unions do is take your money and not let you make your own decisions. The only people that like unions are lazy idiotic fucks that want everything handed to them without putting in a decent amount of work.
Working for someone doesn't make you a slave. I have the right to work anywhere I aspire to work. I don't have the right to choose whether or not I want to join the union in most unionized work places.. so I ask you, who's the slave master?
Oh, and I've never worked for a poor man, I'd rather work for someone who knows how to prosper instead of flounder in the mediocrity of forced equality.
I've never worked in a Union because they are bad news! I've almost always had health care, paid days off for vacation. I was able to get paid more and negotiate my wage because I was free to do that based on my performance and experience. Great video though
From Michigan, worked in an auto factory for 12 years (yes, on the floor working a press, not in the office). Anti-Union all the way. I'd rather be paid $2 dollars less than to have to throw 20% of my paycheck at the Union. Union's are just as bad (if not worse) than mislead CEOs.
What I think some employers forget is that there is a market out there for good employes and there is competion from diffrent companys to get the best workers. If one company treats it's staff well, they will stay. If a company treats it's staff badly, there are alot of company out there that are more than happy to take your good staff and leave you with the trash. Treat your staff well during the bad time, they will stay, don't, they will walk as soon as the job market improves :).
A friend of mine is a commercial pilot, and a member of the pilot's union. Guess why your planes are late. If the contract is up for negotiation, the pilots intentionally delay. Yes, you read it right. When I called him on it, he said sometimes they hold brakes and push the power up when holding short in order to burn more gas (which doesn't directly affect the customer). Finally, the pilots will land hard in order to damage the landing gear (yes... unsafe). Unions will kill us in the end.
Wow, this is one of the most blatently wrong, misleading and just plain dispicable video's I've ever seen! I've NEVER worked for a union before my current job, and have NEVER had any of the problems this so called "funny" video tries to scare people about. Where do they get off? This is what is wrong with America.. this kind of sick mental disorder that causes people to think they are owed and deserve more more more and more. IBEW should be ashamed! I am.
@sketchyinc Wow, are you serious? The person you hired should be your hero, they are helping you provide for your family, and you want to put them out of business by getting a wage that will not make the company sustainible? Wow, no wonder Union bosses go to socialist conventions.
I worked with a company where people hated the union we had good benefits great relationship with management. but after a merger company reduced benefits and union reps showed up asking employees to sign a card if they were interested in considering a union only to find out that the card were ballots.
managers took a neutral stand and could say nothing concerning the union. All my peers felt tricked by the union and betrayed by the company.
sad, but this vid is the "state of the workers" in America. "Land of the Free", not if you work for someone.
For many workers, they worker under workplace rules that would have been common during antebellum times. Sad, so little progress since then and where is our fearless leaders? At a lobbist lunch most probably
Unions aren't communist. They are socialist ideals in play at the workforce. Much like the United States Police, Military, Fire Department, Public safety, and list goes on.... if your too dumb to recognize that you should stop watching all the crap you see on TV and read a history book. YOU can THANK UNIONS for the 8 hour work day, 40 hour work week and minimum wage, OCEA standards. If those things disappoint you go to Mexico or China and get a job, then post on Youtube how much you hate Unions.
Great points, Instagating. I hate it when Conservatives blast unions and "government." The government is We the People, and "we" Progressives have done a lot of great things. Besides the ones you mentioned, we have passed Social Security and Medicare, created the VA, and passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. Teddy Roosevelt, a GOP Progressive, was the father of the environmental/conservation movement. Nixon, though not a liberal, did create the EPA to his credit,only good thing he did.
@inst You are a real brainwashed fuck, UNIONS HAVE DESTROYED AMERICA in the last 50 years. Your just another mindless union suck ass who dosn't have the abilty to think rationally due to being a union leaders boot licker! Your support for todays unions should be considered treason UNIONS HAVE UNDERMINED AMERICA AND HAVE DESTROYED MILLIONS OF JOBS due to there unreasonable demands. Support for unions is support for the death of American economic system and a vote for massive unemployement .
Again, all I see is harsh criticism from someone who cannot cite any facts other than the crap they hear on FOX. Go worship Reaganomics or liberationists bullshit like a good cronie then get back to me when you can logically defend your point vs. trying to invalidate mine with some blow hard comments.
goldsilver.... Still no facts yet? Go figure, just libertarian bullshit. This isn't the 18th century dude. Just because you open your mouth and wave your fist doesn't mean you're right. Oh yeah and company stores, slavery and the feudal system have been gone in modern society for over hundreds of years now. I'd hate to think that we are going to digress back to that in the name of capitalism.
@bastard Dumb ass how about a counrty that no longer supports unions due to their radical anti american bargaining tactics?How about yearly DECREASES in unions participation.How about the growth China's communist economy thanks American companies inability to compete due to the outrageous pay and benefits GREEDY union works get for their low production and poor workmanship?Unions have destroyed America's dominace and fucked all Amercians.The gig's up AMERICA HATES YOU GREEDY MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!
Bwalle, I have no doubt you're (<- nice contraction huh? You brilliant sharpshooter you) in a union. You are the reason manufacturing jobs are leaving the US, and you and your union will ultimately destroy the US. Thanks unions! Great work!
Are you kidding me? Some Unions are greedy, sure, but the main problem in this country was that many businesses were deregulated, and their greed took off after that. I am not Union myself, but I am not so blind to see that when their benefits started slipping, so did mine. The insurance industry is not even regulated by anti-trust regulations! Turn off FOx and start getting into the real world!
Agreed, completely! People watch FOX and repeat the same shit over and over again. FOX is anti Union along with every other greedy republican politician who would rather see Americans impoverished than allow Unions to demand productive work environments of the employer and the employee. You make a company millions and you'd think the least they can do is allow you to sit at the bargaining table when it comes to your livelihood aka life. FOX apparently doesn't want that for the American People.
Union is just another name for Communist. A we all know Communisim is evil and bad for freedom loving Americans who support the Constitution. This kind of propaganda by unions is devisive and harmful to all Americans and our Country.....but that is what these pro-communist unions want, to destroy America, and so far they have done a good job so far. People are really getting sick of the BIG MASSIVE GREEDY UNIONS destroying America with unreasonable demands!It is time to break all unions!
Your a perfect example of one of those idiots who repeats everything they see on FOX! Calling unions communism is repeating the same BS propaganda created at the end of the USA's industrial revolution. It was started by large corporations that didn't want to share their riches with the working Americans. Where do you work? how long? how hard? You can thank Unions for your good job and if your management and/or owner how much money do you make to sell out and repeat the crap you here on FOX?
Its the rich powerful corporations against the worker bees. If we all went on strike until things changed we would have the power but people are too scared to do that!
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ma2jh...unions didn`t ruin the economy...blind corporate greed did and we all know it!!!When you see your bosses son driving around in a brand new Viper take stock in the fact that the $52 dollars a week he just deducted from his 100 employees just paid for it.NOT HIM!!! All the while he`s screaming that he`s bleeding while the whole time he`s trying to figure out how to take another $20 a week of everyone because his golf club membership just went up!!!!Greed in motion feeds on itself...
BANK OF AMERICA IS THE MOST CORRUPT BANK IN THE COUNTRY!. Bank of America harassed me, ruined my credit, charged me over $800 in fees over a 10 day period, tried to humiliate me, and never stopped calling my house- all because of $50 overdraft!!
In one day I was charged over $250 in overdraft fees because of a company that took advantage of my bank account- BofA charges more fees than any bank in the World!
This is very expensive, well produced, and entertaining tripe, attempting to reinforce the liberal class envy plank to promote more union infiltration of our diminishing manufacturing base. The actor and production quality are top notch. Thank you Mr. Sauros.
God bless this guy if he hires workers, makes a profit, exports a product and runs a business. He's no demon, he's a hero. Damn straight people should work hard.
As far as pregnancy, you can't fire people for that and its been illegal. The recession has hit men much worse than women.
Its illegal to fire someone for the stated reason of pregnancy. It's not illegal to come up with some other pretext on which to fire someone when they get pregnant.
The truth is, there is no such thing as democracy in the workplace. PERIOD. The so called "elections' that companies tout are more like elections were in Iraq under Sadaam Hussein. Employees hear one side--- the boss's, & union people are weeded out by any & all means necessary. And its all perfectly legal. Expensive union busting consultants are routinely hired to advise companies on how to thwart all unionization efforts. The cards are stacked against employees,who deserve the right to choose
It's true that employees get the right to choose. That's why if they are not satisfied with their job or their employer they can find a job elsewhere.
Employees do not have the right to forcibly demand higher wages and healthcare. They have the right to suggest to higher authorities, but the decision to implement lies solely in the business executives. If you come into my house and order me around, I reserve the right to kick you out.
Perhaps, but if companies keep lowering salaries or removing benefits, they would not be able to hire enough people for the work that needs to be done. The supply and demand for workers and the corresponding wages determine themselves, and need no "hand" to forcibly set the natural equilibrium.
It's the same effect as a monopoly - if the conditions are basically the same everywhere anyway, then you can't just go somewhere else if (if?) you're discontented with the conditions in your own workplace. You just have to put up with it...or fight it.
A company paying underneath the equilibrium level should (else it is mismanaged) realize that it may maximize profits by providing an adequate salary, to boost employee productivity. The economy needs no external hand; unreasonable conditions will improve due to this capitalistic striving for higher. There is no need to resort to force.
The business is not a public playground. It belongs to other people, and the owners should have every right to do to the property (including keeping people out) as they wish, with the exception of directly infringing on the rights of others. The "force" I use refer to, metaphorically, that of a visitor demanding the host a cup of tea, while yours refer to the host demanding the visitor to leave.
How can a company "steal" labor? Labor is a service, not a good, and a service could be withheld from someone or something, and does not have to be provided unless agreed by the provider - the workers.
What right are you referring to? The right to the company's property?
The system - and to an extent the company directly - steals workers' labour by withholding from them their full share of the surplus (leftover after all basic survival necessities have been met and all democratically-mandated public projects and services have been funded) product of society as proportional to the positive effort they each make on its (society's) behalf.
To use your terms: the system is not compelled to divide the leftovers nor to maximize the benefit on society, but to pay the workers fairly; in other words, paid at the equilibrium price as set by the market and not the people, paid at the point where a worker's marginal revenue product is equal to his wage. The workers have no right to any portion of the surplus besides their contracted wages, and whether they receive extra is under the companies' jurisdiction.
"pay the workers fairly; in other words, paid at the equilibrium price as set by the market"
Except that "the market" (which in the context of a decision-making entity, is roughly translated as "the business community" along with some sections of the media) does *not* base its decisions on "fairness".
The free market is the objective and moral standard of fairness because no one uses force on anyone else, i.e. all economic power (selling or buying, etc) is voluntary. (To be contrasted with a centrally planned economy, in which economic activity is determined by the government, who arbitrarily determines the standard of justice.)
A free market is force in the same way that nature is force, gravity is force. The force advocated by those who support central planning is of a different kind - namely, holding wishes of one man (or a group of men) as more important than those of another. Although one's lack of funds forces him to reconsider buying the mansion, no one has the power to force him into buying the house or anything else.
What you're proposing is to force the markets to mitigate force, resulting in a contradiction.
"A free market is force in the same way that nature is force, gravity is force"
That's a rediculous analogy. A market is force wielded by sentient beings and is abolishable. Gravity is a fundamental part of how the universe works, and without it there would be...in a practical sense, nothing, all the matter in the universe would simply drift and there wouldn't be anything so coherent even as helium gas.
Is it ridiculous? Economics, the study of the distribution of goods and consequently of market forces, is a social science. Note the last word. Markets behave in ways not dictated by any one person, or group of people, and cannot be so; it can be predicted and affected, but not (successfully) controlled. Markets have equilibriums and quantities, values that are not whimsical creations but are enforced by market force. We do not create the laws of markets, not do we of the laws of gravitation.
The 'force' I initially used also implies imposition, that while a free market's constituents use force on resources, they do not on other people.
As for the abolishable part, as long as demand exists for a good and people are willing to trade for that good, a market, however rudimentary and primitive like those in secluded villages, will exist.
"The force advocated by those who support central planning is of a different kind - namely, holding wishes of one man (or a group of men) as more important than those of another"
And that's a straw man. In fact, that better describes a market than the kind of economy socialists advocate. In a market, a randomly selected elite based on attributes such as luck (in many different forms) and ruthlessness rise to the top where they each hold the power to make or break the lives of hundreds of other
In a socialist economy, on the other hand, all of the commanding heights of the economy (at least) are controlled democratically, with most of the board members in any major industry being elected in part by the employees and in part by the consumers, with only a minority appointed by the (elected, and far more democratically so than is possible in any capitalist society) government, and even then only to provide a perspective taking coordination with other industries into account.
Actually, the economy I described is of a philosophy completely opposite of socialism, as it is pure capitalism. Socialist economies rely on force: the Robin Hood scenario, taking from the rich and giving to the poor, exists on the premise that the interest of the poor outweigh those of the rich. 'Wishes' and 'interest' refer to rights. Everyone has (or should have) the right to property, but, the socialists say, property is conditional, and what belongs to one man should belong to another.
Socialism is based on the premise that everyone has the same rights, and that capitalism violates the right of poor people to, you know, not be poor. Capitalism is only the opposite of socialism insofar as it creates inequalities. If it worked in the way some 'market libertarians' suggest it could work (which is a pipe dream, IMHO), it would be a form of socialism.
You might notice that capitalists also believe the 'right to property' is conditional, in that they believe its ok that a
You might notice that capitalists also believe the 'right to property' is conditional, in that they believe its ok that a significant number of people end up living rough on the street without even a loaf of bread to call their 'property'.
That's where socialism fails. It may be founded on the premise of equality, but its means of implementation directly contradicts.
Capitalism does not invade "the right to not be poor," i.e. the right to money, as there is no such right. There is a difference between the right to the pursuit of money (and keeping that which one earns) and the right to money outright, that although one hasn't earned it he has the right to the money of others.
Consider a socialist school. Students are ranked due to performance-some are ahead and others behind. Imagine the failing students claiming that they have a right to (more) points on tests, because they can get none. A double standard would exist: the better students have points taken away, while the poorer students have points given gratuitously to them.
You're mistaken: the right to property is not conditional, especially in the capitalist sense. The right to property is the right to keep the things that one earns, be it money, a house, cars, whatever. The possession-less people also have that right, because if they were to earn a salary they could keep it. The distinction must be made between the right to property and the right to material things.
Your list of attributes is lacking. You've forgotten ingenuity, intelligence, perseverance, etc.
Democracy does not necessarily equate to 'just.' I am a proponent of rational democracy, but even a majority does not have the power to vote away the rights of another.
A capitalist society allows for constant improvements much faster than any other alternative - Schumpeter describes creative destruction, that describes the replacing of innovative ideas for old, less effective ones.
The long term viability of all middle class jobs union and non-union are in danger. We as middle class workers need to organize in some way. We need to have some push back for the downward pressure the ultra rich power base is putting on the workers. We need a organize work force so we have some political power to turn back the one sided trade policies. We have no chance in hell to be completive with Chinese workers that make $35 a month on average.
1. It is with sad irony that the company which invented "planned obsolescence" -- the decision to build cars that would fall apart after a few years so that the customer would then have to buy a new one -- has now made itself obsolete.
2. It refused to build automobiles that the public wanted.
3. Refused to build cars that got great gas mileage, were as safe as they could be, and their cars are uncomfortable to drive.
The market is killing the golden goose for short term gains; our economy is built on a house of cards. Its not working and it is falling apart, wake up people we lost 1.2 million jobs just in 2008 and 16 million since 2000, union and non union. How do you replace those jobs? Please dont tell me high tech; 16 million high tech jobs, I dont see it happening.
I would be glad if I "came in to work one day and all of a sudden everyone had been unionized". Dues are cheaper than paying more and more every year for health insurance that covers less and less.
I have to wonder if our friend dj here actually has a stake in this issue or if he's just parroting this BS about secret ballots because he heard some idiot on wingnut radio like Rush Limbaugh whining about it.
Thankfully, Flat Earthers like dj only make up about 20% of the US population.
so you would be happier letting others make that kind of decision on your behalf?
Card check has been in place here for about 3 years. In an organizing drive, the union will submit an application for certification, and if 50% of the employees, working on the day of the application (that's an important issue) have signed certification cards, then the LRB can rule to give the organizing union authority to represent the workforce.
Do you think that secret ballot elections are wrong and we should do away with them?
Hows about this... Under the Card Check or EFCA, it will be possible for workers to be unionized without even knowing that anything was happening. All the union would have to do is get 50% + 1 of the cards signed and its done whether or not everyone has even had a voice.
A worker could just come in one day and all of a sudden without any say in the matter, he or she is unionized and paying dues.
First off, I don't know why you're talking to me. I have opinions as well as ideas but I don't have the time or desire to debate with you on here.
I will give you my best answer though... No one really knows, everyone has an opinion. Was it happening under Bush? Yes, but is doing away with secret ballot union elections to increase union #'s the answer? No way, that's stupid and ignores the democratic foundation of our nation. People deserve secret ballot elections, no if's and's or but's.
Actually, our nation's foundation is republican. The founding fathers distrusted democracy pretty explicitly, hence the republican-style government and constitution. Democracy didn't start entering political rhetoric until FDR.
"A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking. Let us examine the points in which it varies from pure democracy ...", from James Madison. The Federalist, Number 10, The New York Packet, 23 Nov., 1787
Another, a direct quote from the Pledge of Allegiance: "And to the Republic, for which it stands," referring to the USA, of course.
Further, from the US Constitution, Article IV, Section 4: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of government..."
So far that's three in support of a Republic, zero in support of a democracy, and zero in support of "neither". I think I've outsourced you, if you're still up for it.
March on Thugocrat! I have to admit unions have gotten smarter. After bankrupting hundreds of companies, like Eastern and Bethlehem Steel, they know bankrupt companies THEN take them over. Like Animal Farm in real life. Congratulations thugs!! GM and Chrysler today, what company to destroy next sire?
To answer: yes, but no. Yes, because doing so voluntarily demonstrates a proper care for the work they do. No, because the union movement attracts the kind of people who kill companies with short-sightedness, if not simple malevolence, resulting in unemployment and scandal.
The union movement attracts the kind of people who would rather kill companies than suffer constant violations of their rights at the hands of company management. If they *elected* the management, and could recall it at any time, then such struggles would be irrelevant.
Violation of what rights, might I ask? As your question was loaded, so your rebuttal is vague and nebulous.
Don't you think you're being a little naive, just assuming that elections will solve the problem of bad management? After all, there's still a chance that the workers could elect the industry-killers to their own expense. If you want examples of elections going bad, just look at any electoral scandal in history. Hell, look at any election that put madmen into power.
Chiefly, of the rights to a living wage, decent working conditions and (in the US) healthcare, but many bosses routinely violate other rights as well.
Elections won't necessarily solve the problem of bad management, but genuinely democratic elections will solve the problem of exploitative management.
I would disagree that those are rights. The way I understand it, those aren't rights so much as arrangements made between employers and employees. Isn't part of the hiring process negotiating a contract that provides for those "rights"?
Exploitative management and bad management go hand in hand (again, election scandals and madmen in power): if the elections don't solve one, the solution for the other will be unsurprisingly short-lived.
Except that the hiring process doesn't involve negotiation, it involves the employer telling the prospective employee what the terms are, and the employee either accepts those terms or goes somewhere else for an equally bad deal.
Now you're imposing unreasonable conditions: that, in effect, every employment contract offered, regardless of the task, terms, and/or considerations, is necessarily a "bad deal," therefore necessitating union intervention. What a fine thing not to have any confidence in the legal system, the employers in its jurisdiction, and anyone who buys into either. You've just insulted the characters of the majority of the working population. Congratulations.
Not every contract, but certainly most. Some professional occupations have reasonable conditions & pay, and some are even disproportionately good, but obviously it would be impossible for everyone (for example) to be a doctor - who would build the hospital?
Even assuming 'the majority of the working population' buys into both the legal system and the social structure it enforces - which is quite a stretch - when did I even mention the legal system?
When you talk about hiring policies, you talk about employer/employee contracts. When you talk about contracts, you talk about contract laws, and the legal system in place to enforce those laws and mete out punishment for breach of those laws.
Also, 'the majority of the working population' has been buying into that legal system and the social structure around it since the country's founding. Why do you think it's still in place?
In my experience, most people are cynical about the system but either also cynical about potential alternatives or sceptical about what they can do about it (or both).
So they've given it their tacit approval of that system by deferring the decision to revise it. Still, I would contend that there would be more widespread and publicized moves to change it if there was a legitimate problem. Revolutions, on any scale, don't happen because of the whims of a few disgruntled, since it's appropriate, employees (not even Communist ones).
The Democrats will have their "PRICE FREEZE" as usual thus killing off their precious taxes and again we win. GROW A BRAIN fellow Republicans!! Unions and minimum wages are just a game that can be quickly counter acted with higher prices. AN EASY WIN / WIN. Go $1,000,000.00 per hour Minimum wage!! Go Union!! We can deal with it easy enough.
Become a pro union Republican like me. Think about it. Higher paid workers mean more people with money in their pockets. Workers with more money will buy more products and can afford to pay higher prices. In the long run unions are irrelevant. Take the $1,000,000.00 per hour minimum wage. Yes thats $40,000,000.00 per week employee wages. At that point you can easily charge $3,000,000.00 for a burger and fries.
This is one more example of the sort of spin SEIU is known for. If you want this sort of integrity representing you, God help you. The union sure won't!
Unions were started by weak pathetic losers who were too cowardly to talk to their bosses as man to man on their own. If workers don't like the way they're being treated, they can quit and find another job, move to where better jobs are, or learn some new skills and make themselves smarter so they can get a better job. That's how you do it.
Yes quit your job...why fight for whats fair...why stand up for justice...weak people like you have been saying forever to just quit and leave...thats why this nation is in the shape its in...hick, bigoted Nascar race fans like you. let me ask you..have you ever actually done anything to help your fellow man or do you waste your time insulting people and makeing Christians look bad. You insult the United States, yourself and Christ Himself with your remarks. You should be ashamed
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Our economy's in the crapper because of unions, public schools, socialist entitlement programs, Marxist giveaways, banks being forced to give mortgages to people who worked at McD's- yeah, every retard deserves to have their own house.
It's 100% the LIB'S FAULT. It's you worthless libs who insult the US. You all hate America. Jesus was a CONSERVATIVE. If he was here, he'd be calling for the execution of every single lib, and so would our founding fathers.
Jesus was a conservative?? LOL DO you know the definition of a conservative? Look it up. Jesus would kill people because of their political views?? Are you a complete moron? You need to stop going to the NASCAR races and get an education...at least pick up a book now and then. Funny, your Republicans controlled this country for 8 years and now we are in the crapper...and still somehow you blame it on the other party...Your a wack job!
There are the haves and the have-nots. The unions were formed because of slavery and exploitation of the working class...anyone who opposes the fight against wage slavery is either a brain-washed sheeple or a wealthy s.o.b.--class warfare is going to get worse as the corporations, Wall Street, and the banking industry continue to screw the little guy. Hopefully the Free Choice Act will pass, and there will be a little leverage for those not born into wealth or privelage. Bloodless revolution...
If Free Choice passes, every factory that's left in America will be racing to the exit. Been to Detroit or Flint lately? Unions have been real good for them. The only thing unions do is extort wages and working conditions above market value, forcing businesses to go overseas or go broke. All unions are, ever have been, or ever will be, is a legalized Marxist extortion racket.
Ever been to New York City or San Francisco? They are all union. Union jobs pay more, have higher safety standards, better quality of life. Cops are union, fireman are union. Its called united bargining. YOU alone have little power to bargain with your boss...united you have power. You have seen in the last 10 years in the US how wonderful the free market is working. Keep losing your shirt and having wages go down...keep the status quo....its working sooo well
Why would I go to San Fagsicko? New York? Both overpriced, crime ridden, drug infested, socialist shitholes! The free market would work a lot better if we got rid of lib obstructionists & union thugs. Yeah unions jobs pay more, that's why we're losing jobs to the gooks & dotheads. Read a fucking economics book. Unions are the reason we're losing manufacturing jobs & the reason the auto industry is bankrupt. Unions have killed every industry they organized in- auto, steel, textile, airline..
Other than being a racist PIG and insulting Christ by your bigotry. I see so in order to compete against China and others we should LOWER our standard of living to third world countries. We need to save jobs by causing poverty and starvation like the other nations...ohh well you are intelligent. We should pay less and have more poor people..THAT will solve our problem. As for you insulting big cities..i see your from a hick town with no class..so it makes sense. Grow up
If you're too lazy or stupid to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, you deserve to be poor. Wanna avoid poverty? Go to school, get a REAL hands on education(not some useless liberal arts education), learning a marketable, profitable, sought after skilled trade, stay away from drugs and alcohol, don't have kids as a teen or kids you can't afford. It's called DISCIPLINE, which nobody teaches anymore because libs like you have made it a 4 letter word with your "do what feels good" bullshit.
I get the pun but what a stupid video..the employment and labor attorneys would be lining up to sue this idiot. Many of the issues hes poking fun at are protected in federal legislation (Title IV, ADA, NLRA, FMLA, OSHA). His stupidity would result in an awful big bill hand delivered via your friendly federal court system.
Slavery has not quite disappeared in America. The rich call it capitalism. Wouldn't it be funny if we all finally got pissed off and joined forces and comitted TOTAL ANARCHY?
If you don't like capitalism, why don't you move to Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Peru, Venezuela, France, Sweden, Canada, or some other commie socialist lib shithole country, Komrade?
Yeah, I was totally going to rant about Wal-Mart in this video for a little while, but then I started reading some of the comments, mainly Pbirv, and to save myself some boring ya-da-da time, I'm just going to agree~ '/point Yar, what that person said!'
Warewolf is out and out lying. Since 1935 both NLRA ballot elections and "Card Check" Recognition of the union are perfectly legal. But right now, the employer gets to decide which process the workers will use. The Employee Free Choice Act does just that; it allows the workers to choose the process they want to use. Do your homework before you start ranting. Card Check has been used by Harley-Davidson, AT&T, and numerous smaller companies. And yet your apocalyptic predictions didnt occur.
American workers are nothing more than slaves who work for CEOs to dip their hands in the cookie jar any time they please. Your job is not guaranteed and can be replaced anytime with a lower paid worker. Why do you think illegals are here?
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this is ridiculous. anyone who actually gets up and goes to work everyday, knows that the job is nothing like this. this would hurt small business more than it's already hurting.
This should be easy -- employees should be free to join an organization on the job. And no one should be afraid of employees bargaining with employers for fair pay and benefits. Otherwise, you end up with falling wages, disappearing benefits, no job security....oh wait! That's what we have now.
the employee free choice act does not take away the secret ballot, it allows the workers to choose if they want majority sign up or a secret ballot. right now, all the power is in the hands of the boss, all the decisions are made by the boss. wouldn't it be nice if the worker got to choose for once? right now all the power is in the hands of the corporations and look at our economy - worst income inequality since the 20s. it's time workers got some power to balance this out. UNION YES!
You are inherently wrong on your assertion that it does not take the secret ballot away. It allows for someone to come by your desk and ask you, "Do you vote for or against the union?", there is no secrecy. If you say no, the organizer and anyone he/she decides to tell will know that YOU are the one who doesn't want the union. You honestly believe that the organizers won't leverage your friends, family, neighbors to get you to say yes? Don't be naive. This is not the 50s no more with the unions.
Employees already have the right to choose to form a union by secret ballot. The Employee Free Choice Act takes away the right to a secret ballot and allows unionization with a majority sign-up of union authorizations that employees can be intimidated by the union into providing. Some of the other provisions of the act are good, but I'm opposed to getting rid of secret ballots for unionization.
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my favorite story of union idiocy is of the city mayor who bent down to put a manhole cover back in place, only to have the union leader cry that that "job" required 4 skilled laborers and 4 hours of labor. yeah unions are great especially in cases like that where they are paid with our tax dollars.
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better to be a jobless union member than have a job that pays slightly less than what you want. but i guess the unions did help out foreign workers though.
A union will fight to get a dismissed worker reinstated, if he so wishes. And for that matter a good union will support him financially while he fights his dismissal, or even while he searches for another job if state jobseekers' allowance is insufficient.
Know your history, people. Before the unions were strengthened by our last "socialist" president (FDR),there was no middle class, just very rich and very poor. For example, back in the fifties, my father could easily buy a home and support a family just working as an auto mechanic. You think $68/hour (exaggerated) is bad? It still beats $1200 a month for do-nothing landlords and other vampires. Hitler invaded the workers' USSR to help the rich. He was not pro-worker.
This is hilarious reading the comments. This act simply aims to remove voting secrecy. Unions had their day in the past but there are 1000's of laws now that protect workers rights. No more unions! The failing auto industry, the failing teachers unions are just 2 of the biggest unions f**k ups that everyone interacts with. I have a problem with paying some high school dropout $68/hour to put lugnuts on a car. The US schools have steadily dropped in level since the day the union came in to being.
I'm a flickin disorder man. "chaos" in action. I went on practices, they had too big voltage in electrical outlet and electronic devices starts to burn. then we had steam in officess and water on walls. I changed work, database with warehouse positions was deleted by spyware program :) wtf ?? that's me "chaos in action".
holekyo 3 weeks ago
That's the Conway CEO
hoserseventwo 1 month ago
Companies have the right to hire who they want, when they want. Just like people have the right to apply where they want. That doesn't guarantee them a job. Work ethics- make the company from ALL levels. Cited instances where Unions have crashed a company is too long to list in this forum.
balforr 3 months ago
This is the biggest load of shit I have ever seen. I like in Arizona which is a right to work state and I love it. All unions do is take your money and not let you make your own decisions. The only people that like unions are lazy idiotic fucks that want everything handed to them without putting in a decent amount of work.
602goliath 7 months ago
Funny thing, this video is not that far off from the truth lol. Union all the way.
grendel1013 11 months ago 5
Seriously, Unions bite the hands that feed the employees.
Hotrodrogers91 1 year ago
Yes, get mad at the person who hired you, and screw over the company, then you won't even have a job!
Hotrodrogers91 1 year ago
Working for someone doesn't make you a slave. I have the right to work anywhere I aspire to work. I don't have the right to choose whether or not I want to join the union in most unionized work places.. so I ask you, who's the slave master?
Oh, and I've never worked for a poor man, I'd rather work for someone who knows how to prosper instead of flounder in the mediocrity of forced equality.
simplespiral 1 year ago
@simplespiral You sir, are my hero.
Hotrodrogers91 1 year ago
@simplespiral <---This guy knows whats up.
this video was disgraceful, im actually embarassed for the actor and the scriptwriter.
orlyf00l 1 year ago
I've never worked in a Union because they are bad news! I've almost always had health care, paid days off for vacation. I was able to get paid more and negotiate my wage because I was free to do that based on my performance and experience. Great video though
justafrinian 1 year ago
Good ad... Unions are shit and have ruined American industry... but it's still a good ad.
10072018 1 year ago
From Michigan, worked in an auto factory for 12 years (yes, on the floor working a press, not in the office). Anti-Union all the way. I'd rather be paid $2 dollars less than to have to throw 20% of my paycheck at the Union. Union's are just as bad (if not worse) than mislead CEOs.
alexfenton00 1 year ago 2
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Exactly! Well said.
csgforme 1 year ago
@alexfenton00 You're stupid! Nobody pays 20% dues!
TheChad206 2 months ago
Thanks for a great laugh! I'm proud to be union!
thomor30 1 year ago
Bad Employers usally get the trash :/.
234566tgvb 1 year ago
What I think some employers forget is that there is a market out there for good employes and there is competion from diffrent companys to get the best workers. If one company treats it's staff well, they will stay. If a company treats it's staff badly, there are alot of company out there that are more than happy to take your good staff and leave you with the trash. Treat your staff well during the bad time, they will stay, don't, they will walk as soon as the job market improves :).
234566tgvb 1 year ago
A friend of mine is a commercial pilot, and a member of the pilot's union. Guess why your planes are late. If the contract is up for negotiation, the pilots intentionally delay. Yes, you read it right. When I called him on it, he said sometimes they hold brakes and push the power up when holding short in order to burn more gas (which doesn't directly affect the customer). Finally, the pilots will land hard in order to damage the landing gear (yes... unsafe). Unions will kill us in the end.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
Wow, this is one of the most blatently wrong, misleading and just plain dispicable video's I've ever seen! I've NEVER worked for a union before my current job, and have NEVER had any of the problems this so called "funny" video tries to scare people about. Where do they get off? This is what is wrong with America.. this kind of sick mental disorder that causes people to think they are owed and deserve more more more and more. IBEW should be ashamed! I am.
simplespiral 1 year ago
@simplespiral Fine, be a slave for the man or woman at the top. Your just toilet paper to them.
sketchyinc 1 year ago
@sketchyinc Wow, are you serious? The person you hired should be your hero, they are helping you provide for your family, and you want to put them out of business by getting a wage that will not make the company sustainible? Wow, no wonder Union bosses go to socialist conventions.
Hotrodrogers91 1 year ago
@sketchyinc Toilet Paper with a JOB!!!
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I worked with a company where people hated the union we had good benefits great relationship with management. but after a merger company reduced benefits and union reps showed up asking employees to sign a card if they were interested in considering a union only to find out that the card were ballots.
managers took a neutral stand and could say nothing concerning the union. All my peers felt tricked by the union and betrayed by the company.
RECOIL64 1 year ago
sad, but this vid is the "state of the workers" in America. "Land of the Free", not if you work for someone.
For many workers, they worker under workplace rules that would have been common during antebellum times. Sad, so little progress since then and where is our fearless leaders? At a lobbist lunch most probably
rexam4856 2 years ago
Unions aren't communist. They are socialist ideals in play at the workforce. Much like the United States Police, Military, Fire Department, Public safety, and list goes on.... if your too dumb to recognize that you should stop watching all the crap you see on TV and read a history book. YOU can THANK UNIONS for the 8 hour work day, 40 hour work week and minimum wage, OCEA standards. If those things disappoint you go to Mexico or China and get a job, then post on Youtube how much you hate Unions.
instigatingbastard 2 years ago 2
Great points, Instagating. I hate it when Conservatives blast unions and "government." The government is We the People, and "we" Progressives have done a lot of great things. Besides the ones you mentioned, we have passed Social Security and Medicare, created the VA, and passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. Teddy Roosevelt, a GOP Progressive, was the father of the environmental/conservation movement. Nixon, though not a liberal, did create the EPA to his credit,only good thing he did.
BaracknRoll 2 years ago
@inst You are a real brainwashed fuck, UNIONS HAVE DESTROYED AMERICA in the last 50 years. Your just another mindless union suck ass who dosn't have the abilty to think rationally due to being a union leaders boot licker! Your support for todays unions should be considered treason UNIONS HAVE UNDERMINED AMERICA AND HAVE DESTROYED MILLIONS OF JOBS due to there unreasonable demands. Support for unions is support for the death of American economic system and a vote for massive unemployement .
goldsilverandiamonds 2 years ago
Again, all I see is harsh criticism from someone who cannot cite any facts other than the crap they hear on FOX. Go worship Reaganomics or liberationists bullshit like a good cronie then get back to me when you can logically defend your point vs. trying to invalidate mine with some blow hard comments.
instigatingbastard 2 years ago 2
goldsilver.... Still no facts yet? Go figure, just libertarian bullshit. This isn't the 18th century dude. Just because you open your mouth and wave your fist doesn't mean you're right. Oh yeah and company stores, slavery and the feudal system have been gone in modern society for over hundreds of years now. I'd hate to think that we are going to digress back to that in the name of capitalism.
instigatingbastard 2 years ago
@bastard Dumb ass how about a counrty that no longer supports unions due to their radical anti american bargaining tactics?How about yearly DECREASES in unions participation.How about the growth China's communist economy thanks American companies inability to compete due to the outrageous pay and benefits GREEDY union works get for their low production and poor workmanship?Unions have destroyed America's dominace and fucked all Amercians.The gig's up AMERICA HATES YOU GREEDY MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!
goldsilverandiamonds 2 years ago
Thank you IBEW nation wide!!!!
7779jesse 2 years ago
Maybe "your" too stupid to know it's spelled "you're" as in "you are" dipshit.
bwallecu08 1 year ago
Bwalle, I have no doubt you're (<- nice contraction huh? You brilliant sharpshooter you) in a union. You are the reason manufacturing jobs are leaving the US, and you and your union will ultimately destroy the US. Thanks unions! Great work!
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
Are you kidding me? Some Unions are greedy, sure, but the main problem in this country was that many businesses were deregulated, and their greed took off after that. I am not Union myself, but I am not so blind to see that when their benefits started slipping, so did mine. The insurance industry is not even regulated by anti-trust regulations! Turn off FOx and start getting into the real world!
BaracknRoll 2 years ago
Agreed, completely! People watch FOX and repeat the same shit over and over again. FOX is anti Union along with every other greedy republican politician who would rather see Americans impoverished than allow Unions to demand productive work environments of the employer and the employee. You make a company millions and you'd think the least they can do is allow you to sit at the bargaining table when it comes to your livelihood aka life. FOX apparently doesn't want that for the American People.
colorsoluble 2 years ago
Union is just another name for Communist. A we all know Communisim is evil and bad for freedom loving Americans who support the Constitution. This kind of propaganda by unions is devisive and harmful to all Americans and our Country.....but that is what these pro-communist unions want, to destroy America, and so far they have done a good job so far. People are really getting sick of the BIG MASSIVE GREEDY UNIONS destroying America with unreasonable demands!It is time to break all unions!
goldsilverandiamonds 2 years ago
Your a perfect example of one of those idiots who repeats everything they see on FOX! Calling unions communism is repeating the same BS propaganda created at the end of the USA's industrial revolution. It was started by large corporations that didn't want to share their riches with the working Americans. Where do you work? how long? how hard? You can thank Unions for your good job and if your management and/or owner how much money do you make to sell out and repeat the crap you here on FOX?
instigatingbastard 2 years ago 2
Its the rich powerful corporations against the worker bees. If we all went on strike until things changed we would have the power but people are too scared to do that!
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addy75d 2 years ago
I recognize that health care plan he describes, we have that were I work !!
Boomer1949 2 years ago
ma2jh...unions didn`t ruin the economy...blind corporate greed did and we all know it!!!When you see your bosses son driving around in a brand new Viper take stock in the fact that the $52 dollars a week he just deducted from his 100 employees just paid for it.NOT HIM!!! All the while he`s screaming that he`s bleeding while the whole time he`s trying to figure out how to take another $20 a week of everyone because his golf club membership just went up!!!!Greed in motion feeds on itself...
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mattt1ooo 2 years ago
GO UNION!!!
SS5507 2 years ago
Beautiful! I have been union all my life . . . . and I ain't young!
I love this video!
basstime54 2 years ago
union workers are not Teamplayers!!!!!!!!!
cuevas04 2 years ago
Also don't forget in the right to work state they can fire you for any reason they want too...
Like when someone in your family gets sick and they fire you because they don't want their insurance rates to go up next year...
Yup just walk in the door and say your fire...
There's nothing you can do about other then leave like a slave.
The right to work state means someone that isn't sick has the right to work...
DruidAnthony 2 years ago
unions ruined the economy.
ma2jh 2 years ago
I agree ... i work in a hospital that is unionized ... and they pay me 12$ more an hour to an independent contractor .....
i won't say anything about how lazy the folks i work with are .... nor will i mention how un skilled they are .... but i will mention this ......
because they have unionized ... the hospital is on the brink of bankruptcy....
they pay me extra bc i'm not affiliated with a union contract .... the employees there think they deserve a job ......
notNEWW 2 years ago
This is very expensive, well produced, and entertaining tripe, attempting to reinforce the liberal class envy plank to promote more union infiltration of our diminishing manufacturing base. The actor and production quality are top notch. Thank you Mr. Sauros.
embeddedprogrammer 2 years ago
I worked for this guy once! He's still out there!
restlesswings 2 years ago
What a load of crap!
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packrellerey 2 years ago
Go EFCA!
ch473 2 years ago
Who's the actor? He's Handsome and Plays his part Very Well. OUCH!!!!
I enjoyed this video. Thanks~!
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kgypfi 2 years ago 3
God bless this guy if he hires workers, makes a profit, exports a product and runs a business. He's no demon, he's a hero. Damn straight people should work hard.
As far as pregnancy, you can't fire people for that and its been illegal. The recession has hit men much worse than women.
Ingenue001 2 years ago 2
Its illegal to fire someone for the stated reason of pregnancy. It's not illegal to come up with some other pretext on which to fire someone when they get pregnant.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
this is such bullshit!
kauffmanteam 2 years ago
yah do0d this is totally fake lyke omgzors
NexIuguolo 2 years ago
The truth is, there is no such thing as democracy in the workplace. PERIOD. The so called "elections' that companies tout are more like elections were in Iraq under Sadaam Hussein. Employees hear one side--- the boss's, & union people are weeded out by any & all means necessary. And its all perfectly legal. Expensive union busting consultants are routinely hired to advise companies on how to thwart all unionization efforts. The cards are stacked against employees,who deserve the right to choose
geedjb 2 years ago
It's true that employees get the right to choose. That's why if they are not satisfied with their job or their employer they can find a job elsewhere.
Employees do not have the right to forcibly demand higher wages and healthcare. They have the right to suggest to higher authorities, but the decision to implement lies solely in the business executives. If you come into my house and order me around, I reserve the right to kick you out.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
The only time the ruling class cooperates is to keep labour costs down. Go somewhere else, and you'll get pretty much the same deal you rejected.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
I don't know what you mean by "ruling class."
Perhaps, but if companies keep lowering salaries or removing benefits, they would not be able to hire enough people for the work that needs to be done. The supply and demand for workers and the corresponding wages determine themselves, and need no "hand" to forcibly set the natural equilibrium.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
It's the same effect as a monopoly - if the conditions are basically the same everywhere anyway, then you can't just go somewhere else if (if?) you're discontented with the conditions in your own workplace. You just have to put up with it...or fight it.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
A company paying underneath the equilibrium level should (else it is mismanaged) realize that it may maximize profits by providing an adequate salary, to boost employee productivity. The economy needs no external hand; unreasonable conditions will improve due to this capitalistic striving for higher. There is no need to resort to force.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
And yet the employer has the right to use force, by firing workers who get 'out of line'?
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
The business is not a public playground. It belongs to other people, and the owners should have every right to do to the property (including keeping people out) as they wish, with the exception of directly infringing on the rights of others. The "force" I use refer to, metaphorically, that of a visitor demanding the host a cup of tea, while yours refer to the host demanding the visitor to leave.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
The very fact that they steal the labour - and in many cases even the basic welfare - of other people is a direct infringement on their rights.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
How can a company "steal" labor? Labor is a service, not a good, and a service could be withheld from someone or something, and does not have to be provided unless agreed by the provider - the workers.
What right are you referring to? The right to the company's property?
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
The system - and to an extent the company directly - steals workers' labour by withholding from them their full share of the surplus (leftover after all basic survival necessities have been met and all democratically-mandated public projects and services have been funded) product of society as proportional to the positive effort they each make on its (society's) behalf.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
To use your terms: the system is not compelled to divide the leftovers nor to maximize the benefit on society, but to pay the workers fairly; in other words, paid at the equilibrium price as set by the market and not the people, paid at the point where a worker's marginal revenue product is equal to his wage. The workers have no right to any portion of the surplus besides their contracted wages, and whether they receive extra is under the companies' jurisdiction.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
"pay the workers fairly; in other words, paid at the equilibrium price as set by the market"
Except that "the market" (which in the context of a decision-making entity, is roughly translated as "the business community" along with some sections of the media) does *not* base its decisions on "fairness".
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
What is your standard of fair?
The free market is the objective and moral standard of fairness because no one uses force on anyone else, i.e. all economic power (selling or buying, etc) is voluntary. (To be contrasted with a centrally planned economy, in which economic activity is determined by the government, who arbitrarily determines the standard of justice.)
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
The 'free' market *is* force. Or do you generally believe a market can ever be a level playing field?
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
A free market is force in the same way that nature is force, gravity is force. The force advocated by those who support central planning is of a different kind - namely, holding wishes of one man (or a group of men) as more important than those of another. Although one's lack of funds forces him to reconsider buying the mansion, no one has the power to force him into buying the house or anything else.
What you're proposing is to force the markets to mitigate force, resulting in a contradiction.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
"A free market is force in the same way that nature is force, gravity is force"
That's a rediculous analogy. A market is force wielded by sentient beings and is abolishable. Gravity is a fundamental part of how the universe works, and without it there would be...in a practical sense, nothing, all the matter in the universe would simply drift and there wouldn't be anything so coherent even as helium gas.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
Is it ridiculous? Economics, the study of the distribution of goods and consequently of market forces, is a social science. Note the last word. Markets behave in ways not dictated by any one person, or group of people, and cannot be so; it can be predicted and affected, but not (successfully) controlled. Markets have equilibriums and quantities, values that are not whimsical creations but are enforced by market force. We do not create the laws of markets, not do we of the laws of gravitation.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
The 'force' I initially used also implies imposition, that while a free market's constituents use force on resources, they do not on other people.
As for the abolishable part, as long as demand exists for a good and people are willing to trade for that good, a market, however rudimentary and primitive like those in secluded villages, will exist.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
"The force advocated by those who support central planning is of a different kind - namely, holding wishes of one man (or a group of men) as more important than those of another"
And that's a straw man. In fact, that better describes a market than the kind of economy socialists advocate. In a market, a randomly selected elite based on attributes such as luck (in many different forms) and ruthlessness rise to the top where they each hold the power to make or break the lives of hundreds of other
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
people.
In a socialist economy, on the other hand, all of the commanding heights of the economy (at least) are controlled democratically, with most of the board members in any major industry being elected in part by the employees and in part by the consumers, with only a minority appointed by the (elected, and far more democratically so than is possible in any capitalist society) government, and even then only to provide a perspective taking coordination with other industries into account.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
Actually, the economy I described is of a philosophy completely opposite of socialism, as it is pure capitalism. Socialist economies rely on force: the Robin Hood scenario, taking from the rich and giving to the poor, exists on the premise that the interest of the poor outweigh those of the rich. 'Wishes' and 'interest' refer to rights. Everyone has (or should have) the right to property, but, the socialists say, property is conditional, and what belongs to one man should belong to another.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
Socialism is based on the premise that everyone has the same rights, and that capitalism violates the right of poor people to, you know, not be poor. Capitalism is only the opposite of socialism insofar as it creates inequalities. If it worked in the way some 'market libertarians' suggest it could work (which is a pipe dream, IMHO), it would be a form of socialism.
You might notice that capitalists also believe the 'right to property' is conditional, in that they believe its ok that a
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
You might notice that capitalists also believe the 'right to property' is conditional, in that they believe its ok that a significant number of people end up living rough on the street without even a loaf of bread to call their 'property'.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
That's where socialism fails. It may be founded on the premise of equality, but its means of implementation directly contradicts.
Capitalism does not invade "the right to not be poor," i.e. the right to money, as there is no such right. There is a difference between the right to the pursuit of money (and keeping that which one earns) and the right to money outright, that although one hasn't earned it he has the right to the money of others.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
Consider a socialist school. Students are ranked due to performance-some are ahead and others behind. Imagine the failing students claiming that they have a right to (more) points on tests, because they can get none. A double standard would exist: the better students have points taken away, while the poorer students have points given gratuitously to them.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
You're mistaken: the right to property is not conditional, especially in the capitalist sense. The right to property is the right to keep the things that one earns, be it money, a house, cars, whatever. The possession-less people also have that right, because if they were to earn a salary they could keep it. The distinction must be made between the right to property and the right to material things.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
Your list of attributes is lacking. You've forgotten ingenuity, intelligence, perseverance, etc.
Democracy does not necessarily equate to 'just.' I am a proponent of rational democracy, but even a majority does not have the power to vote away the rights of another.
A capitalist society allows for constant improvements much faster than any other alternative - Schumpeter describes creative destruction, that describes the replacing of innovative ideas for old, less effective ones.
CosgroveAlexander 2 years ago
The right to work anti union propaganda machine has a lot of people brainwashed, but thank god over 70% of the middle class have the majority
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dxnyud 2 years ago
Look at Michigan and you'll see how great Unions make jobs.
jerrythefatboy 2 years ago
The long term viability of all middle class jobs union and non-union are in danger. We as middle class workers need to organize in some way. We need to have some push back for the downward pressure the ultra rich power base is putting on the workers. We need a organize work force so we have some political power to turn back the one sided trade policies. We have no chance in hell to be completive with Chinese workers that make $35 a month on average.
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IPOMonster 2 years ago
The market is killing the golden goose for short term gains; our economy is built on a house of cards. Its not working and it is falling apart, wake up people we lost 1.2 million jobs just in 2008 and 16 million since 2000, union and non union. How do you replace those jobs? Please dont tell me high tech; 16 million high tech jobs, I dont see it happening.
FluxCapacitor2008 2 years ago
I would be glad if I "came in to work one day and all of a sudden everyone had been unionized". Dues are cheaper than paying more and more every year for health insurance that covers less and less.
I have to wonder if our friend dj here actually has a stake in this issue or if he's just parroting this BS about secret ballots because he heard some idiot on wingnut radio like Rush Limbaugh whining about it.
Thankfully, Flat Earthers like dj only make up about 20% of the US population.
grEzyRyd3r 2 years ago
so you would be happier letting others make that kind of decision on your behalf?
Card check has been in place here for about 3 years. In an organizing drive, the union will submit an application for certification, and if 50% of the employees, working on the day of the application (that's an important issue) have signed certification cards, then the LRB can rule to give the organizing union authority to represent the workforce.
thompsfloyd 2 years ago
Do you think that secret ballot elections are wrong and we should do away with them?
Hows about this... Under the Card Check or EFCA, it will be possible for workers to be unionized without even knowing that anything was happening. All the union would have to do is get 50% + 1 of the cards signed and its done whether or not everyone has even had a voice.
A worker could just come in one day and all of a sudden without any say in the matter, he or she is unionized and paying dues.
Sad
djturnit 2 years ago
this comment is a sad, realistic truth.
thompsfloyd 2 years ago
djturnit How are you as an individual going to turn back the assault on the working middle class?
FluxCapacitor2008 2 years ago
First off, I don't know why you're talking to me. I have opinions as well as ideas but I don't have the time or desire to debate with you on here.
I will give you my best answer though... No one really knows, everyone has an opinion. Was it happening under Bush? Yes, but is doing away with secret ballot union elections to increase union #'s the answer? No way, that's stupid and ignores the democratic foundation of our nation. People deserve secret ballot elections, no if's and's or but's.
djturnit 2 years ago
Actually, our nation's foundation is republican. The founding fathers distrusted democracy pretty explicitly, hence the republican-style government and constitution. Democracy didn't start entering political rhetoric until FDR.
androsblaze 2 years ago
Republic = public affair == democracy = government by the people
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
"A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking. Let us examine the points in which it varies from pure democracy ...", from James Madison. The Federalist, Number 10, The New York Packet, 23 Nov., 1787
androsblaze 2 years ago
James Madison != the font of all knowledge.
I understand what Madison et al meant by a republic, but it was neither republican nor democratic.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
If not that, he's a direct source.
Another, a direct quote from the Pledge of Allegiance: "And to the Republic, for which it stands," referring to the USA, of course.
Further, from the US Constitution, Article IV, Section 4: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of government..."
So far that's three in support of a Republic, zero in support of a democracy, and zero in support of "neither". I think I've outsourced you, if you're still up for it.
androsblaze 2 years ago
All of the above are inadmissible due to being examples of doublethink.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
Yet again you demonstrate your uncanny ability to make unsupported assertion.
Unless of course you're joking, in which case it was a weak reference.
androsblaze 2 years ago
Sopt on video
FluxCapacitor2008 2 years ago
Dont hide behind the secret ballot argument; because you dont care about the workers rights, you are concerned about profits.
FluxCapacitor2008 2 years ago
Propaganda Hitler would be proud of! I wonder how much the Teamsters paid for this add.
mksentinel 2 years ago
Unions only benefit bad employees. Good employees are motivated by incentives. The unions hate motivated employees.
MartyMac61 2 years ago
"Unions only benefit bad employees"
Employees who care more about their rights than the profits of the boss? Yeah, so...everyone then. Apart from the boss.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
March on Thugocrat! I have to admit unions have gotten smarter. After bankrupting hundreds of companies, like Eastern and Bethlehem Steel, they know bankrupt companies THEN take them over. Like Animal Farm in real life. Congratulations thugs!! GM and Chrysler today, what company to destroy next sire?
Ingenue001 2 years ago
"THEN take them over"
If that *was* happening, which sadly it isn't, do you not think it would be a massive step forward? Workers taking industry into their own hands?
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
That's a loaded question if I've ever seen one.
To answer: yes, but no. Yes, because doing so voluntarily demonstrates a proper care for the work they do. No, because the union movement attracts the kind of people who kill companies with short-sightedness, if not simple malevolence, resulting in unemployment and scandal.
androsblaze 2 years ago
The union movement attracts the kind of people who would rather kill companies than suffer constant violations of their rights at the hands of company management. If they *elected* the management, and could recall it at any time, then such struggles would be irrelevant.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
Violation of what rights, might I ask? As your question was loaded, so your rebuttal is vague and nebulous.
Don't you think you're being a little naive, just assuming that elections will solve the problem of bad management? After all, there's still a chance that the workers could elect the industry-killers to their own expense. If you want examples of elections going bad, just look at any electoral scandal in history. Hell, look at any election that put madmen into power.
androsblaze 2 years ago
Chiefly, of the rights to a living wage, decent working conditions and (in the US) healthcare, but many bosses routinely violate other rights as well.
Elections won't necessarily solve the problem of bad management, but genuinely democratic elections will solve the problem of exploitative management.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
I would disagree that those are rights. The way I understand it, those aren't rights so much as arrangements made between employers and employees. Isn't part of the hiring process negotiating a contract that provides for those "rights"?
Exploitative management and bad management go hand in hand (again, election scandals and madmen in power): if the elections don't solve one, the solution for the other will be unsurprisingly short-lived.
androsblaze 2 years ago
Except that the hiring process doesn't involve negotiation, it involves the employer telling the prospective employee what the terms are, and the employee either accepts those terms or goes somewhere else for an equally bad deal.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
Now you're imposing unreasonable conditions: that, in effect, every employment contract offered, regardless of the task, terms, and/or considerations, is necessarily a "bad deal," therefore necessitating union intervention. What a fine thing not to have any confidence in the legal system, the employers in its jurisdiction, and anyone who buys into either. You've just insulted the characters of the majority of the working population. Congratulations.
androsblaze 2 years ago
Not every contract, but certainly most. Some professional occupations have reasonable conditions & pay, and some are even disproportionately good, but obviously it would be impossible for everyone (for example) to be a doctor - who would build the hospital?
Even assuming 'the majority of the working population' buys into both the legal system and the social structure it enforces - which is quite a stretch - when did I even mention the legal system?
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
When you talk about hiring policies, you talk about employer/employee contracts. When you talk about contracts, you talk about contract laws, and the legal system in place to enforce those laws and mete out punishment for breach of those laws.
Also, 'the majority of the working population' has been buying into that legal system and the social structure around it since the country's founding. Why do you think it's still in place?
androsblaze 2 years ago
In my experience, most people are cynical about the system but either also cynical about potential alternatives or sceptical about what they can do about it (or both).
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
So they've given it their tacit approval of that system by deferring the decision to revise it. Still, I would contend that there would be more widespread and publicized moves to change it if there was a legitimate problem. Revolutions, on any scale, don't happen because of the whims of a few disgruntled, since it's appropriate, employees (not even Communist ones).
androsblaze 2 years ago
Approving of something - even tacitly - is a very different thing to being unconvinced you have the power to reject it.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
Do explain the difference, please, and how it applies here.
androsblaze 2 years ago
The Democrats will have their "PRICE FREEZE" as usual thus killing off their precious taxes and again we win. GROW A BRAIN fellow Republicans!! Unions and minimum wages are just a game that can be quickly counter acted with higher prices. AN EASY WIN / WIN. Go $1,000,000.00 per hour Minimum wage!! Go Union!! We can deal with it easy enough.
afcmcp 2 years ago
Become a pro union Republican like me. Think about it. Higher paid workers mean more people with money in their pockets. Workers with more money will buy more products and can afford to pay higher prices. In the long run unions are irrelevant. Take the $1,000,000.00 per hour minimum wage. Yes thats $40,000,000.00 per week employee wages. At that point you can easily charge $3,000,000.00 for a burger and fries.
afcmcp 2 years ago
This is one more example of the sort of spin SEIU is known for. If you want this sort of integrity representing you, God help you. The union sure won't!
1957AJS30 2 years ago
SEIU is not the only union out there
FPiccioli 2 years ago 3
In fact, its well known among activists as one of the more bureaucratic unions. And it's swallowed several democratic unions in its time
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
Unions were started by weak pathetic losers who were too cowardly to talk to their bosses as man to man on their own. If workers don't like the way they're being treated, they can quit and find another job, move to where better jobs are, or learn some new skills and make themselves smarter so they can get a better job. That's how you do it.
DarrelfromZeeland 2 years ago
Yes quit your job...why fight for whats fair...why stand up for justice...weak people like you have been saying forever to just quit and leave...thats why this nation is in the shape its in...hick, bigoted Nascar race fans like you. let me ask you..have you ever actually done anything to help your fellow man or do you waste your time insulting people and makeing Christians look bad. You insult the United States, yourself and Christ Himself with your remarks. You should be ashamed
FPiccioli 2 years ago 3
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Our economy's in the crapper because of unions, public schools, socialist entitlement programs, Marxist giveaways, banks being forced to give mortgages to people who worked at McD's- yeah, every retard deserves to have their own house.
It's 100% the LIB'S FAULT. It's you worthless libs who insult the US. You all hate America. Jesus was a CONSERVATIVE. If he was here, he'd be calling for the execution of every single lib, and so would our founding fathers.
DarrelfromZeeland 2 years ago
Jesus was a conservative?? LOL DO you know the definition of a conservative? Look it up. Jesus would kill people because of their political views?? Are you a complete moron? You need to stop going to the NASCAR races and get an education...at least pick up a book now and then. Funny, your Republicans controlled this country for 8 years and now we are in the crapper...and still somehow you blame it on the other party...Your a wack job!
FPiccioli 2 years ago 3
Right on! Can't beat sense into a dead horse though.
pulppeeler 2 years ago 3
There are the haves and the have-nots. The unions were formed because of slavery and exploitation of the working class...anyone who opposes the fight against wage slavery is either a brain-washed sheeple or a wealthy s.o.b.--class warfare is going to get worse as the corporations, Wall Street, and the banking industry continue to screw the little guy. Hopefully the Free Choice Act will pass, and there will be a little leverage for those not born into wealth or privelage. Bloodless revolution...
BABIEBABIE7 2 years ago
If Free Choice passes, every factory that's left in America will be racing to the exit. Been to Detroit or Flint lately? Unions have been real good for them. The only thing unions do is extort wages and working conditions above market value, forcing businesses to go overseas or go broke. All unions are, ever have been, or ever will be, is a legalized Marxist extortion racket.
DarrelfromZeeland 2 years ago
Ever been to New York City or San Francisco? They are all union. Union jobs pay more, have higher safety standards, better quality of life. Cops are union, fireman are union. Its called united bargining. YOU alone have little power to bargain with your boss...united you have power. You have seen in the last 10 years in the US how wonderful the free market is working. Keep losing your shirt and having wages go down...keep the status quo....its working sooo well
FPiccioli 2 years ago
Why would I go to San Fagsicko? New York? Both overpriced, crime ridden, drug infested, socialist shitholes! The free market would work a lot better if we got rid of lib obstructionists & union thugs. Yeah unions jobs pay more, that's why we're losing jobs to the gooks & dotheads. Read a fucking economics book. Unions are the reason we're losing manufacturing jobs & the reason the auto industry is bankrupt. Unions have killed every industry they organized in- auto, steel, textile, airline..
DarrelfromZeeland 2 years ago
Other than being a racist PIG and insulting Christ by your bigotry. I see so in order to compete against China and others we should LOWER our standard of living to third world countries. We need to save jobs by causing poverty and starvation like the other nations...ohh well you are intelligent. We should pay less and have more poor people..THAT will solve our problem. As for you insulting big cities..i see your from a hick town with no class..so it makes sense. Grow up
FPiccioli 2 years ago
If you're too lazy or stupid to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, you deserve to be poor. Wanna avoid poverty? Go to school, get a REAL hands on education(not some useless liberal arts education), learning a marketable, profitable, sought after skilled trade, stay away from drugs and alcohol, don't have kids as a teen or kids you can't afford. It's called DISCIPLINE, which nobody teaches anymore because libs like you have made it a 4 letter word with your "do what feels good" bullshit.
DarrelfromZeeland 2 years ago
I get the pun but what a stupid video..the employment and labor attorneys would be lining up to sue this idiot. Many of the issues hes poking fun at are protected in federal legislation (Title IV, ADA, NLRA, FMLA, OSHA). His stupidity would result in an awful big bill hand delivered via your friendly federal court system.
jamesb2410 2 years ago
Slavery has not quite disappeared in America. The rich call it capitalism. Wouldn't it be funny if we all finally got pissed off and joined forces and comitted TOTAL ANARCHY?
LaGioiella 3 years ago 4
If you don't like capitalism, why don't you move to Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Peru, Venezuela, France, Sweden, Canada, or some other commie socialist lib shithole country, Komrade?
DarrelfromZeeland 2 years ago
lol Your a complete moron. Yeah..Canada is communist...and Sweden yeah..that is certainly a shithole country.
FPiccioli 2 years ago
do you like weekends off...paid vacation...health insurance...sick time..40 hour work week..thank a union member
soakydan 3 years ago 7
i think we should thank Yahweh for the weekends off!
breal45 2 years ago
You can thank Yahweh for Sundays off...the whole weekend...that is from the unions
FPiccioli 2 years ago
Yeah, I was totally going to rant about Wal-Mart in this video for a little while, but then I started reading some of the comments, mainly Pbirv, and to save myself some boring ya-da-da time, I'm just going to agree~ '/point Yar, what that person said!'
Peachiko 3 years ago 2
Warewolf is out and out lying. Since 1935 both NLRA ballot elections and "Card Check" Recognition of the union are perfectly legal. But right now, the employer gets to decide which process the workers will use. The Employee Free Choice Act does just that; it allows the workers to choose the process they want to use. Do your homework before you start ranting. Card Check has been used by Harley-Davidson, AT&T, and numerous smaller companies. And yet your apocalyptic predictions didnt occur.
inconceivable44 3 years ago
Mexicans are better workers......and work cheaper.....we should sell off Americans to be slaves in Saudi Arabia
timray99 3 years ago
American workers are nothing more than slaves who work for CEOs to dip their hands in the cookie jar any time they please. Your job is not guaranteed and can be replaced anytime with a lower paid worker. Why do you think illegals are here?
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PayItForward4Others 3 years ago
this is ridiculous. anyone who actually gets up and goes to work everyday, knows that the job is nothing like this. this would hurt small business more than it's already hurting.
cameronlawson2000 3 years ago
Lets hope this passes
bazurk 3 years ago
hmmm...i think i worked for this guy
pulppeeler 3 years ago
This should be easy -- employees should be free to join an organization on the job. And no one should be afraid of employees bargaining with employers for fair pay and benefits. Otherwise, you end up with falling wages, disappearing benefits, no job security....oh wait! That's what we have now.
msrooth 3 years ago 5
the employee free choice act does not take away the secret ballot, it allows the workers to choose if they want majority sign up or a secret ballot. right now, all the power is in the hands of the boss, all the decisions are made by the boss. wouldn't it be nice if the worker got to choose for once? right now all the power is in the hands of the corporations and look at our economy - worst income inequality since the 20s. it's time workers got some power to balance this out. UNION YES!
inconceivable44 3 years ago 7
You are inherently wrong on your assertion that it does not take the secret ballot away. It allows for someone to come by your desk and ask you, "Do you vote for or against the union?", there is no secrecy. If you say no, the organizer and anyone he/she decides to tell will know that YOU are the one who doesn't want the union. You honestly believe that the organizers won't leverage your friends, family, neighbors to get you to say yes? Don't be naive. This is not the 50s no more with the unions.
warewolf5575 3 years ago
Employees already have the right to choose to form a union by secret ballot. The Employee Free Choice Act takes away the right to a secret ballot and allows unionization with a majority sign-up of union authorizations that employees can be intimidated by the union into providing. Some of the other provisions of the act are good, but I'm opposed to getting rid of secret ballots for unionization.
PMGYT 3 years ago
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my favorite story of union idiocy is of the city mayor who bent down to put a manhole cover back in place, only to have the union leader cry that that "job" required 4 skilled laborers and 4 hours of labor. yeah unions are great especially in cases like that where they are paid with our tax dollars.
hexenkessel88 3 years ago
lol - I'm sure that was a literal description of actual events...
curien1000 3 years ago
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better to be a jobless union member than have a job that pays slightly less than what you want. but i guess the unions did help out foreign workers though.
hexenkessel88 3 years ago
A union will fight to get a dismissed worker reinstated, if he so wishes. And for that matter a good union will support him financially while he fights his dismissal, or even while he searches for another job if state jobseekers' allowance is insufficient.
Spartacus21C 2 years ago
Know your history, people. Before the unions were strengthened by our last "socialist" president (FDR),there was no middle class, just very rich and very poor. For example, back in the fifties, my father could easily buy a home and support a family just working as an auto mechanic. You think $68/hour (exaggerated) is bad? It still beats $1200 a month for do-nothing landlords and other vampires. Hitler invaded the workers' USSR to help the rich. He was not pro-worker.
tomsaltsman 3 years ago
This is hilarious reading the comments. This act simply aims to remove voting secrecy. Unions had their day in the past but there are 1000's of laws now that protect workers rights. No more unions! The failing auto industry, the failing teachers unions are just 2 of the biggest unions f**k ups that everyone interacts with. I have a problem with paying some high school dropout $68/hour to put lugnuts on a car. The US schools have steadily dropped in level since the day the union came in to being.
warewolf5575 3 years ago