I don't see the problem and why you have to 'expose' other peoples beliefs. I think it's a beautiful thing that people have something in their life that means more than how much money you make, what car you own or what clothes you're wearing that most people fuss about.
The problem is that such beliefs make people abdicate self responsibility - "god is responsible, god will save me from my misery".
The problem is that when we are not taking responsibility and believe ourselves that we "were born in sin"; and that we cannot change; and that only god can forgive us; and that the afterlife is "what is all about" - we end up just walking around on this earth without changing things for the better of everyone and in fact abusing nature and each other...
@JoaoJesusHere What about a person say a self destructive alcoholic, damaging their health and lifestyle through abuse of a hard drug that through religion, manages to turn their life around? Is that such a bad thing?
I don't have a religion but see myself as spiritual, I looked at a number of different religions and just applied the things that work for me, to my own life. I know that nobody is coming to save us, but I trust religious people over the drunk atheists I know.
Yes - from the perspective that the person stopped abusing the substance - thats beneficial.
Yet, BESIDES the abuse point having stopped, the person is still allowing itself to diminish itself by believing that some divine force was responsible for his/her strength to overcome the issue - when in fact it was always that one person who made the change
We are capable of sooo much - see, we are even capable of creating beliefs that will then "help us" get through situations - fantastic!
Science dictates that every choice you make is a chemical reactions. If either has a CHANCE of honest responsibility? It aint the one that your three fingers are pointing at.
Interesting - if science says so, what that would mean about god?
But lets consider what you said: That in itself proves that we are slaves to "chemical reactions".
But, through extensively tests, I am sure when I tell you that we can change this condition through the application of self forgiveness. Within it you change your "chemical reactions" that do not consider all Equally and thus you start to change yourself and aligning yourself as the principle of Equality and Oneness.
The self realization that one has been hard on oneself - the self realization that one has been limiting oneself - the self realization that one can do and be "better" - the self realization that one has been under-estimating oneself - the self realization that one must let go (forGIVE) in order to receive.
The lack of self forgiveness would be the lack of realizing the above.
To start applying it can also be as simple as you move and direct yourself to do it in the moment: go past the resistance (chemical reaction) that would dictate your reaction (cause you are reacting to the chemical) of not applying it. Prove to yourself that you are "more" than a chemical reaction (resistance).
i.e: I forgive myself I have accepted and allowed myself to believe that I will for ever be a slave to the chemical reactions in my body instead of me moving myself.
I forigive myself I have accepted and allowed myself to underestimate myself with the belief that I have no control over what I say think and do instead of realizing that I can be the directive principle of my life/existence.
I forgive myself I have accepted and allowed myself to give my responsibility away to the chemical reactions and electric impulses in my mind instead of me being responsible for myself and what goes on in my mind and change my thoughts and what I do
The problem is that such beliefs make people abdicate self responsibility - "god is responsible, god will save me from my misery".
The problem is that when we are not taking responsibility and believe ourselves that we "were born in sin"; and that we cannot change; and that only god can forgive us; and that the afterlife is "what is all about" - we end up just walking around on this earth without changing things for the better of everyone and in fact abusing nature and each other...
Ras Means Head and Tafari Means Creator, Now your mind is creating the reality you perceive it takes the image and reflects it back and thus you have a cycles of consciousness. Now what you have to understand is all religons have a inner circle of people who hold the key principles and truths , And the wider you move from that circle you get the washed out version of that idea or concept just like anything
Just test your theory for yourself and do not eat or drink -- will your "head" (mind) create for yourself a reality where you live? or will you die?
Yes - our minds create the "reality" we PERCEIVE --- but what we PERCEIVE is not reality. Before the human (physical) everything else already existed in this universe.
If "they" knew the truth they would not keep it to themselves, because that would show they fear -- and anyone who knows "truth" does not fear.
"Jah and his creation" includes more than 2 billion people living on less than $2/day. "Jah's creation included "400 years of slavery" for the blacks. Not to mention that nowadays slavery is a much bigger problem than it was 400/300/200/100 years ago. "Jah and his creation" includes children being trafficked rapped (prostitution) and murdered. "Jah's creation" includes unimaginable animal abuse... and this is just the tip of the "iceberg".
are you fucking stupid or something. rastafari is not a religion and his imperial majesty is a descendant of david you fucking fool. they dont think of him as jesus or god. you need to do your fucking home work you dumb fuck. you know nothing of the jamaican culture so fucking give it up... fucking crack head.
"Religion is a cultural system that creates powerful and long-lasting meaning by establishing symbols that relate humanity to beliefs and values" - does that apply to the "rastafari movement"? YES!
Selassie is dead - and once was a human being, son of a woman and a man and kept alive by the earth and the sun like everyone else. Jamaican CULTure is just like any other CULTure: a Cult.
You have to do your home work and get to some self-honesty
@mikkellew the TRUTH isn't going to "give up" so you need to listen with your ears and really hear.........he makes perfect sense...even an "american idol" is making people worship idols...just like jesus....idol worship and idea worship=religion....so yes it is a religion. when people model their lives after a spoon fed version of the truth......it's a religion...RELIGION IS FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AND WON'T THINK FOR THEMSELVES........for the lazy and unempowered......who don't question anything
joao you are completely unqualified to speak on rastafari which you guys call 'rastafarianism'...a very disrespectful word...you are judging the movement & culture (not religion) from your own narrow philosophy on what religion or spirituality means...you said so many things here that are ridiculous. ask the people of zimbabwe & of africa liberation movements if rastafari si "just a bunch of guys with long hair getting high"...your concept of christ (annointed one) & of redemption are off
"Rastafarianism" is a word - if that offends you, you have a big problem!
Those that you would probably call "qualified" do call Rastafarianism a religion: the theologists. (or are only those "qualified" to talk about "rastafari" those that believe in rastafari?)
The reality is that you are absolutely brainwashed and you project your lack of understanding ofhow this reality works onto others, including me.
There is no god - we are AllOne and as Equals we must stand.
C'mon man...who are you to deny theire faith...live and let live...it's your behavior that make you a good christian and not wich book you read or wich belives you have... pharisees did the same think back in the days...still discussing of what is real after 2000 years...??? Love you one another...don't do to your neighbour what you don't want to be done on you...!!! LOVE !!! did you overstand ??? Bwoy dis is WISDOM...hope it makes you see clearer !!! ONE LOVE
Who am I to deny their faith? I am someone equal to them, yet they seem to have lost themselves in the beLIEf that there is some kind of a god that will save us and has a plan... and once you accept such beLIEf you will abdicate self-responsibility because "God "will be there for us" and "God has a plan, we can trust him/her" -- I cannot accept this because WE are the ONEs HERE and we are the only ones who can stop "evil"
God will not unite Humanity - Humanity has to unite itself!
Nice JO for bringing this issue out. These lifestyles are based on ideas that prove not having a practical application. Just another manifestation of hierarchies of control. Time to stop the deception everywhere, be united in self-honesty (No Gods no Masters no Kings) and start all again.
Yes, so obvious that all religions in this world produce the SAME result: a bunch of followers that value their religion instead of facing what we all are allowing and taking responsibility as equals to stop our abuse and division
and YET RASTAMAN REALISED could would and should participate in the creation of a world where ALL LIFE can LIVE with DIGNITY EQUALLY.
SO cum on I n I REALISE your religion is a BELIEF system that is deception in ITSELF
take SELF RESPONSIBILITY & SELF HONESTLY REALISE yourselves within and as the physical HERE, no-one else can save you or us or anyone other than ourselves working from the principle what is best for ALL LIFE to LIVE with DIGNITY EQUALLY - an equal money system is the foundation
You are funny. Attacking "Rastafarianism" (probably because they are not shaved? lol), but being a member of an occult fascist cult like friggin Desteni. Oh geez.
@AnonymousCowardX Its not a case of attacking anything, its a case of simply exposing the deception within religion and how they are created based on books and beliefs. If you cannot see the common sense of what desteni is doing, then you are just another vote for a system of abuse - your name says it all - a coward that wants to attack people hiding behind a fake name - fuck off
Mr Coward: You have a communication problem - you are incapable of hearing and seeing things for what they really are.
I only mentioned facts - you do the research yourself: he who the rastas belief to be their god, king and savior said they, the rastas, were following a belief.
In regards to calling Desteni a cult: you just proved you do not have any clue what Desteni is and what we do - and you also do not know what a cult is.
@JoaoJesusHere I dont object to what you say about rastas, but your interpretation of Atheists not giving a fuck about the future and skepticism towards black people uniting to become less oppressed as has been the way for centuries I find misguided. You think a more united black Africa would sow the seeds of hatred against other races? I sincerely think more black unity would allow for more equality and though tension would emerge, change of this sort is needed, and why mention "Jesus" anyway?
1 - I have heard from the mouths of atheists: "I am here only once, I am gona make the most of it" - by this they mean have fun, have a "great life" and then die and "remain in the darkness for ever". What if you were to come back to this earth over and over again? wouldn't you do all you can to guarantee that when you come back, regardless of where you are born (animal or human), you would have the best life possible then?
3 - The only reason "black people are black" is because the photons that reflect back from a "black person" have a specific light wave/frequency WHICH is then INTERPRETED by the brain as "black"/"dark".
Selassie himself said in a speech to the UN: "Until the color of a man skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes (...) the African continent will not know peace".
We are one specie, and as one specie we are to stand together as equals! This is my point.
2 - With billions of people living in poverty or on the brink of it - a constant uncertainty about the future EVEN THOUGH the planet provides everything we need to feed, clothe, house etc EVERYONE - it become a very risky "business" to "reincarnate". And the fact that maybe this is the incentive we require to make sure everyone is well taken care of is in itself fucked up...
That is my point in relation to atheists -- they have to see things beyond the NON belief in God.
4 - I am not interested in a "more united Africa" - that is excluding the majority of the population. Nor am I more interested in a more united "Europe" or "America" or "Asia" -- such things do not in fact exists. We are all on the same planet and gravity affects us all Equally, we equally require to breathe and to eat.
The reason why Africa is so exploited is because of the rules of the current economic system - this is what it seems to either unite or separate people: MONEY!
6 - If you have a lot of money you belong to a certain group that doesn't really care about your color. The real issue in this world is the monetary system - not color.. those who are still absolutely brainwashed and see black people as inferior/less and that possibly act spitefully towards them is a minority nowadays.. I am yet to witness a racial act, and I live in an area in London full of black people.
I talk about Jesus because the Rastas see Slassie as the 2nd coming of Jesus
i like it good job
keenumman1 4 months ago
Ras means duke.. And tafari was his first name dumbasses..
You can say whatever you want man., Jah forgives and will provide his children!
Too bad for you huh ? ;-) Haile Selassie I!!
tommyencherr 4 months ago
@tommyencherr
Please... look at the silliness you are saying....
"Jah forgives" -- irrelevant... "Jah" is an idea/belief -- it only exists in your mind.
The question is if we are able to forgive ourselves and start live as Equals.
"Jah provides his children" - millions starve to death because they have no money.. "too bad for them?"
See, there is your proof that YOUR god does not give a fuck about the suffering and abuse in this world.
Wake up please. Forgive yourself and be be RESPONSIBLE
JoaoJesusHere 4 months ago
I don't see the problem and why you have to 'expose' other peoples beliefs. I think it's a beautiful thing that people have something in their life that means more than how much money you make, what car you own or what clothes you're wearing that most people fuss about.
SickOmega 5 months ago
@SickOmega
The problem is that such beliefs make people abdicate self responsibility - "god is responsible, god will save me from my misery".
The problem is that when we are not taking responsibility and believe ourselves that we "were born in sin"; and that we cannot change; and that only god can forgive us; and that the afterlife is "what is all about" - we end up just walking around on this earth without changing things for the better of everyone and in fact abusing nature and each other...
JoaoJesusHere 5 months ago
@JoaoJesusHere What about a person say a self destructive alcoholic, damaging their health and lifestyle through abuse of a hard drug that through religion, manages to turn their life around? Is that such a bad thing?
I don't have a religion but see myself as spiritual, I looked at a number of different religions and just applied the things that work for me, to my own life. I know that nobody is coming to save us, but I trust religious people over the drunk atheists I know.
SickOmega 5 months ago
@SickOmega
Yes - from the perspective that the person stopped abusing the substance - thats beneficial.
Yet, BESIDES the abuse point having stopped, the person is still allowing itself to diminish itself by believing that some divine force was responsible for his/her strength to overcome the issue - when in fact it was always that one person who made the change
We are capable of sooo much - see, we are even capable of creating beliefs that will then "help us" get through situations - fantastic!
JoaoJesusHere 5 months ago
Science dictates that every choice you make is a chemical reactions. If either has a CHANCE of honest responsibility? It aint the one that your three fingers are pointing at.
D33veeoss 4 months ago
@D33veeoss
Interesting - if science says so, what that would mean about god?
But lets consider what you said: That in itself proves that we are slaves to "chemical reactions".
But, through extensively tests, I am sure when I tell you that we can change this condition through the application of self forgiveness. Within it you change your "chemical reactions" that do not consider all Equally and thus you start to change yourself and aligning yourself as the principle of Equality and Oneness.
JoaoJesusHere 4 months ago
@JoaoJesusHere What dictates the application of the (lackof)/self forgiveness process?
D33veeoss 4 months ago
@D33veeoss
1 -
The self realization that one has been hard on oneself - the self realization that one has been limiting oneself - the self realization that one can do and be "better" - the self realization that one has been under-estimating oneself - the self realization that one must let go (forGIVE) in order to receive.
The lack of self forgiveness would be the lack of realizing the above.
JoaoJesusHere 4 months ago
@D33veeoss
2 -
To start applying it can also be as simple as you move and direct yourself to do it in the moment: go past the resistance (chemical reaction) that would dictate your reaction (cause you are reacting to the chemical) of not applying it. Prove to yourself that you are "more" than a chemical reaction (resistance).
i.e: I forgive myself I have accepted and allowed myself to believe that I will for ever be a slave to the chemical reactions in my body instead of me moving myself.
JoaoJesusHere 4 months ago
@D33veeoss
3 -
I forigive myself I have accepted and allowed myself to underestimate myself with the belief that I have no control over what I say think and do instead of realizing that I can be the directive principle of my life/existence.
I forgive myself I have accepted and allowed myself to give my responsibility away to the chemical reactions and electric impulses in my mind instead of me being responsible for myself and what goes on in my mind and change my thoughts and what I do
etc..
JoaoJesusHere 4 months ago
@SickOmega
The problem is that such beliefs make people abdicate self responsibility - "god is responsible, god will save me from my misery".
The problem is that when we are not taking responsibility and believe ourselves that we "were born in sin"; and that we cannot change; and that only god can forgive us; and that the afterlife is "what is all about" - we end up just walking around on this earth without changing things for the better of everyone and in fact abusing nature and each other...
JoaoJesusHere 5 months ago
Ras Means Head and Tafari Means Creator, Now your mind is creating the reality you perceive it takes the image and reflects it back and thus you have a cycles of consciousness. Now what you have to understand is all religons have a inner circle of people who hold the key principles and truths , And the wider you move from that circle you get the washed out version of that idea or concept just like anything
IJahReal 6 months ago
@IJahReal
Just test your theory for yourself and do not eat or drink -- will your "head" (mind) create for yourself a reality where you live? or will you die?
Yes - our minds create the "reality" we PERCEIVE --- but what we PERCEIVE is not reality. Before the human (physical) everything else already existed in this universe.
If "they" knew the truth they would not keep it to themselves, because that would show they fear -- and anyone who knows "truth" does not fear.
JoaoJesusHere 6 months ago
no ism bitch JAH RASTAFARI PRAISE JAH AND HIS CREATIONS ALWAYS.
69thskater 9 months ago
@69thskater
"Jah and his creation" includes more than 2 billion people living on less than $2/day. "Jah's creation included "400 years of slavery" for the blacks. Not to mention that nowadays slavery is a much bigger problem than it was 400/300/200/100 years ago. "Jah and his creation" includes children being trafficked rapped (prostitution) and murdered. "Jah's creation" includes unimaginable animal abuse... and this is just the tip of the "iceberg".
Wake the fuck up! Jah/God is an illusion!
JoaoJesusHere 9 months ago
are you fucking stupid or something. rastafari is not a religion and his imperial majesty is a descendant of david you fucking fool. they dont think of him as jesus or god. you need to do your fucking home work you dumb fuck. you know nothing of the jamaican culture so fucking give it up... fucking crack head.
mikkellew 10 months ago
@mikkellew
It seems like I touched your soft spot...
"Religion is a cultural system that creates powerful and long-lasting meaning by establishing symbols that relate humanity to beliefs and values" - does that apply to the "rastafari movement"? YES!
Selassie is dead - and once was a human being, son of a woman and a man and kept alive by the earth and the sun like everyone else. Jamaican CULTure is just like any other CULTure: a Cult.
You have to do your home work and get to some self-honesty
JoaoJesusHere 10 months ago
@mikkellew the TRUTH isn't going to "give up" so you need to listen with your ears and really hear.........he makes perfect sense...even an "american idol" is making people worship idols...just like jesus....idol worship and idea worship=religion....so yes it is a religion. when people model their lives after a spoon fed version of the truth......it's a religion...RELIGION IS FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AND WON'T THINK FOR THEMSELVES........for the lazy and unempowered......who don't question anything
theywarnedus 7 months ago
joao you are completely unqualified to speak on rastafari which you guys call 'rastafarianism'...a very disrespectful word...you are judging the movement & culture (not religion) from your own narrow philosophy on what religion or spirituality means...you said so many things here that are ridiculous. ask the people of zimbabwe & of africa liberation movements if rastafari si "just a bunch of guys with long hair getting high"...your concept of christ (annointed one) & of redemption are off
maaruz1979 10 months ago
@maaruz1979
"Rastafarianism" is a word - if that offends you, you have a big problem!
Those that you would probably call "qualified" do call Rastafarianism a religion: the theologists. (or are only those "qualified" to talk about "rastafari" those that believe in rastafari?)
The reality is that you are absolutely brainwashed and you project your lack of understanding ofhow this reality works onto others, including me.
There is no god - we are AllOne and as Equals we must stand.
JoaoJesusHere 10 months ago
C'mon man...who are you to deny theire faith...live and let live...it's your behavior that make you a good christian and not wich book you read or wich belives you have... pharisees did the same think back in the days...still discussing of what is real after 2000 years...??? Love you one another...don't do to your neighbour what you don't want to be done on you...!!! LOVE !!! did you overstand ??? Bwoy dis is WISDOM...hope it makes you see clearer !!! ONE LOVE
degohustler 11 months ago
@degohustler
Who am I to deny their faith? I am someone equal to them, yet they seem to have lost themselves in the beLIEf that there is some kind of a god that will save us and has a plan... and once you accept such beLIEf you will abdicate self-responsibility because "God "will be there for us" and "God has a plan, we can trust him/her" -- I cannot accept this because WE are the ONEs HERE and we are the only ones who can stop "evil"
God will not unite Humanity - Humanity has to unite itself!
JoaoJesusHere 11 months ago
Well said Joao
TimetoMarch 11 months ago
Nice JO for bringing this issue out. These lifestyles are based on ideas that prove not having a practical application. Just another manifestation of hierarchies of control. Time to stop the deception everywhere, be united in self-honesty (No Gods no Masters no Kings) and start all again.
JoanaFerreiraAsLife 11 months ago
thanks joao
KristinaSalas 11 months ago
Yes, so obvious that all religions in this world produce the SAME result: a bunch of followers that value their religion instead of facing what we all are allowing and taking responsibility as equals to stop our abuse and division
religion is sentimental ego self definitions
MattiFreeman1 11 months ago
just another trap, thank you Joao!
NiklasNydahl 11 months ago
Thanks for sharing
clk211bu 11 months ago
and YET RASTAMAN REALISED could would and should participate in the creation of a world where ALL LIFE can LIVE with DIGNITY EQUALLY.
SO cum on I n I REALISE your religion is a BELIEF system that is deception in ITSELF
take SELF RESPONSIBILITY & SELF HONESTLY REALISE yourselves within and as the physical HERE, no-one else can save you or us or anyone other than ourselves working from the principle what is best for ALL LIFE to LIVE with DIGNITY EQUALLY - an equal money system is the foundation
mistaAnthonyWilson 11 months ago
cool perspective, indeed - we're sick and tired of those Isms and Schisms!
- let ALL Life unite!
VlogsBella 1 year ago 10
Cheers for this mate
MarleyDawkins 1 year ago
You are funny. Attacking "Rastafarianism" (probably because they are not shaved? lol), but being a member of an occult fascist cult like friggin Desteni. Oh geez.
AnonymousCowardX 1 year ago
@AnonymousCowardX Its not a case of attacking anything, its a case of simply exposing the deception within religion and how they are created based on books and beliefs. If you cannot see the common sense of what desteni is doing, then you are just another vote for a system of abuse - your name says it all - a coward that wants to attack people hiding behind a fake name - fuck off
MarleyDawkins 1 year ago 4
@AnonymousCowardX
Mr Coward: You have a communication problem - you are incapable of hearing and seeing things for what they really are.
I only mentioned facts - you do the research yourself: he who the rastas belief to be their god, king and savior said they, the rastas, were following a belief.
In regards to calling Desteni a cult: you just proved you do not have any clue what Desteni is and what we do - and you also do not know what a cult is.
So, all in all, you are indeed a coward..
JoaoJesusHere 11 months ago
@JoaoJesusHere I dont object to what you say about rastas, but your interpretation of Atheists not giving a fuck about the future and skepticism towards black people uniting to become less oppressed as has been the way for centuries I find misguided. You think a more united black Africa would sow the seeds of hatred against other races? I sincerely think more black unity would allow for more equality and though tension would emerge, change of this sort is needed, and why mention "Jesus" anyway?
sockironer 10 months ago
@sockironer
1 - I have heard from the mouths of atheists: "I am here only once, I am gona make the most of it" - by this they mean have fun, have a "great life" and then die and "remain in the darkness for ever". What if you were to come back to this earth over and over again? wouldn't you do all you can to guarantee that when you come back, regardless of where you are born (animal or human), you would have the best life possible then?
JoaoJesusHere 10 months ago
@JoaoJesusHere
3 - The only reason "black people are black" is because the photons that reflect back from a "black person" have a specific light wave/frequency WHICH is then INTERPRETED by the brain as "black"/"dark".
Selassie himself said in a speech to the UN: "Until the color of a man skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes (...) the African continent will not know peace".
We are one specie, and as one specie we are to stand together as equals! This is my point.
JoaoJesusHere 10 months ago
@sockironer
2 - With billions of people living in poverty or on the brink of it - a constant uncertainty about the future EVEN THOUGH the planet provides everything we need to feed, clothe, house etc EVERYONE - it become a very risky "business" to "reincarnate". And the fact that maybe this is the incentive we require to make sure everyone is well taken care of is in itself fucked up...
That is my point in relation to atheists -- they have to see things beyond the NON belief in God.
JoaoJesusHere 10 months ago
@sockironer
4 - I am not interested in a "more united Africa" - that is excluding the majority of the population. Nor am I more interested in a more united "Europe" or "America" or "Asia" -- such things do not in fact exists. We are all on the same planet and gravity affects us all Equally, we equally require to breathe and to eat.
The reason why Africa is so exploited is because of the rules of the current economic system - this is what it seems to either unite or separate people: MONEY!
JoaoJesusHere 10 months ago
@sockironer
6 - If you have a lot of money you belong to a certain group that doesn't really care about your color. The real issue in this world is the monetary system - not color.. those who are still absolutely brainwashed and see black people as inferior/less and that possibly act spitefully towards them is a minority nowadays.. I am yet to witness a racial act, and I live in an area in London full of black people.
I talk about Jesus because the Rastas see Slassie as the 2nd coming of Jesus
JoaoJesusHere 10 months ago