Magnetic Field during HHO production?

[marcstinebaugh]

Someone said it well, every current creates a magnetic field, LOL. DUH. Now, does it have any effect on the process of electrolysis? DUH, but can you use it to your advantage? That's to be determined.

[szol2005]

When electricity runs there is always an Electromagnetic field, even in normal copper wire. It's not gonna be strong do, build a coil for that ;) wiki > An electromagnetic field (also EMF or EM field) is a physical field produced by electrically charged objects. It affects the behavior of charged objects in the vicinity of the field. The electromagnetic field extends indefinitely throughout space and describes the electromagnetic interaction.

[MrDMeans]

Could the positoning of the magnetic field make the difference in aiding or slowing the production of H2. The experiments you quoted did the only try using my magnets in one direction relative to the cell or multiple directions. Current produces a margetic field so placing it in one position may inhibite the the flow of electrons and in the other 180 degree rotation could accelerated the flow of electrons,

[djdrackon]

you are on the right step water( distilled water) is actually a Dia magnectic

meaning that its repulsive to a magnetic pull ( it will push away from a magnet)

but if you run an electric current through any thing there should be some magnetic

pull around it... if you really want to creat a magnetic pull in the water try using coils of stainless and run the positive in reverse direction as the neg like from top to bottom My first design was a lot like yours its very durable

Keep it up

[definitionofis]

If you add a strong magnetic field using permanent magnets you can cause the liquid to flow and that might improve gas bubble movement.

Search magnetohydrodynamics. MHD

Also this video is very good: watch?v=Trvd2XOIeXY&feature=re­lated

The work wasted on electrolyte movement might be the cause of reduced electrolysis. Use weak magnets?

[fuelityourself]

I love your open mindedness maybe you can learn something from Craig Westbrook "pinemontgo" nt necessarily about magnetic fields created from the plates but how using magnets thenselves to create more gas.

[maxinuful]

ok this is where i am hope this helps some you need to look at h2o atoms and will find electrons positive and negative to test what is happening use a loose wire put a current throw it put it near a magnet the problem is in the n /s fields

good luck

[fuelban]

Enough intelligential folks in the 1930s/40s said Hitler was good, hind sight tells us modern folks .. different. ONE SHOULD QUESTION EVERY THING. NICE VIDEO, INTRESTING.

Thom in Scotland.

[decayingUnicorn]

seem diligent you are using non faris stainless so no magnet. the corona of the electric field splits the orbit of the h and o.note that production increase when plates are insolated in plastic.i will put the field coil to work with colector pick up

[tvryb]

good experiment. However I do believe there are magnetic fields that only appear under certain conditions and with odd geometry, making them difficult to detect. There was a vid on youtube where a guy actually deflected the gas bubbles to spin in a spiral with a heavy Microwave oven Magnet.

If there are charged particles flowing as current, there must be a field. BUT if charge flows via capacitive inductance that's a different story

[h2opower]

Water is a dielectric molecule and oxygen is para magnetic, and the hydrogen is non magnetic. Brush up on your chemistry, use the internet to learn all you can.

[caboflyguy]

An attempted MIT experiment, such as yours, will never show results when conducted with common refrigerator magnets, through 1/4 in.

glass , then 1 inch to the next barrier, a 1/4 in. plastic plexi-tube, then to a less-than adequate cell design. I didn't even get to press play before I knew the outcome of your public hi ates. Hard to believe you were the fastest sperm dude!. Stop trying to impress your 19 yr. old girlfriend and leave this to us experts!!

[goturtlepoop]

Most of the people here that are doing this , not to be mean in any way...are just followers...everyone wants it, but only stan meyers has done it...no one has duplicated it because the few who have actually done some research, could not think outside the box...therefore their thoughts gone in the wrong direction. Daniel dingel has done it, but like stan meyers, has not disclosed it to the public...well, we have now done it, it is not available in a kit yet...but we have it. stay tuned ....

[goturtlepoop]

I hate to be the messenger of bad news..or in this case the thuth...but I have to tell you...magnetic feild?....lol....here is the deal, and I will just give it to you like this...

1, amps are like glue or the manetic force in the h20, more amps...the more magnetisim...that holds the hh and th 02 molecules together...volts push them apart...if you have a cell that is at 30 volts and less than 3 amps....you will have 10 times HHO production as if you has 30 amps and 30 volts. figure it out..

[narivasant]

I don't know it helps electrolysis but you get a magnetic field any time any form of electric charge moves relative to other charges.

Magnetic fields are perpendicular to the direction of current flow. Vertical plates will have horizontal current with magnetic field in vertical plane in a loop around the current flow. So you can't try to measure it from outside the plates and especially not with a magnet rotating in a horizontal plane.

Rotate the electrolysis plates to horizontal and try again

[sterlingjbadon]

o.k. you get five stars. Nicely done. I can see that you are right in your past beliefs and current ones. Yes! Just because no magnetic field was measured does not prove a field applied properly wouldn't help. Yes the paper stated they had failed results. If one totally rules out magnetic fields as being useful, it leads everyone down a rabbit hole. What if it wasn't applied in a way productive to ones goal. I believe the truth is in-between. I do think you made a great film. Thanks.

[1WayBlues]

My concern is that we should not overlook something that could improve HHO gas production efficiency. Perhaps we all agree that electric flow and magnetism are reciprical and associated. Stan Meyer and Andrija Puharich both used somewhat linear electrode arrangements which happens to lend well toward magnetic polarization. Yule Browns device (?flat square plates?) was known to be effective, not efficient. Id much prefer using 80watts compared to 800watts to produce the same amount of HHO. ;)

[1WayBlues]

Mistaken test?

Your cell sets the magnetic polar fields sandwitched together thus immediately canceling magnetic fields generated, but your comparison magnet fields are not cancelled/obstructed therefore the single magnet moves the water mag, but not the sandwiched magnetic fields from your cell.

Also creating a longer aspect ratio like your individual demo magnets ~6x1 (HTxWD) should encourage stronger magnetic polarization. Remain logic and keep up the good work, good luck!

[cjpeaceful1]

Quite true, but only in the sense of the material and knowledge I had at the time of this video.

I would like to conduct further tests which would create a magnetic field during electrolysis; however, I do not have the time, budget or possibly even the skills to conduct those experiments which would make for an interesting piece of discussion.

Thanks!

[1WayBlues]

2of2 There is a reciprical and opposing relationship between a driving motor and regenerative breaking by reversing the motion and current flow direction thru the same motor/generator.

Try adding a 3rd magnet to create a pair that is naturally drawn together (opposites attract) in place of the single magnet that naturally influenced the floating one.

Also, different electrode shape may increase or decrease magnetic polarisation. Thanks for your thoughtful & logical consideration. ;)

[1WayBlues]

1of2 Electric current through a curcuit creates an associated magnetic field, more like a physical law that Webster does not overturn. JAP, march 15, '84(!) observation indicated magnatism inhibbited gas production, that may well be true given their particular arrangement, but that suggests that magnatism does indeed influence gas production, not the other way around.

Bob Boice (electronic businessman) suggests creating an electromagnetic field with all the plates prior to installing them.

[john29302]

electronic businessman? if he is a businessman, what is his product and pitch? i have yet to see him sully his mind as much as your piss poor spelling and totally non connective thoughts would gag anyone that was sincere about this cause. obviously you are simply a windbag.

[john29302]

that wqould be a public response to

1WayBlues (3 months ago)

[wattsup1004]

Regarding a magnetic field actually hindering the HHO production, you mentioned in your video the Earths magnetic field (EMF) is actually very strong. What if the HHO device was completely shielded from the EMF. Then would it produce more HHO. Just thinking in reverse.

[rewtyou]

first Id like to say i have no opnion on if a magnetic filed will effect production. Id like to comment that all currents generate a magnetic field. As for your experiment the current in the HHO cell from plate to plate would make a circular magnetic field e.g. going down below the table and circulating up above the jar and back down through the table. your experiment with the floating magnetic would not detect that field if they are even strong enough to be detected.

try turning plates on side

[cjpeaceful1]

Another approach, thanks.

[HHOenergy]

Why would you expect there to be a magnetic field in a flat cell configuration? Your conclusion may be correct about magnetic field not helping HHO production from water, but this test does not prove it. If your cell was in a spiral wire shape like a double helix then you may get a magnetic field produced by the cell. Also, the cracking of H2O liquid into HHO gas wouldn't provide a magnetic field since the equilibrium would not have been violated with + or - electrons in the reaction.

Thanks

[cjpeaceful1]

Don't take this as being arguementive but I think you missed my point of this video. This is video is in response to a change in thinking, my thinking, which relates directly to my plate gap theory.

See my persoanl response.

[HHOenergy]

Oh I see the test was to demonstrate that there is not a large magnetic field in the chemical process of H2O > HHO

I agree. I've not heard that there is one. I've only heard that with the introduction of a magnetic field that the H2O > HHO process is more efficient (produces more HHO with the same input power).

[lutherp40]

Its funny. This video actually cause me to rethink this.

Notice that the paper you referenced where they tested electrolysis with a magnetic field applied actually reduced output production.

"To me" that actually confirms that magnetism can have an effect.

If it were not possible to have an effect, there should not have been any reduction of output when the electrolysis was subjected to a magnetic field.

See my personal response.

[ZEROPOINT132]

I;m a little late on this one, but very good logical thinking.

cheers

[cjpeaceful1]

Nice to hear someone agrees. But, I understand. Sometimes it is hard to change ones mind. Especially after believing something for so long as being truthful.

[PURUNGKUY]

nope... u proved ur point