@ssbreon me too. I was told that it was bad for the neck/spinal cord to allow the spinal wave to go to the neck like that. Plus wouldn't it be hard to keep an eye on the opponent with the head jerking up and down like that?
@Jehu30 I trained with him for four days in 2003. He is VERY fast when he attacks and his strikes almost always knock you down, and I weigh 250. He forces you into the position he wants you to be in, I was never able to defend against his strikes. The only defence I could find was to get and STAY out of range, if you are in his range you WILL I repeat YOU WILL be hit. He uses his whole body in ALL of his strikes, even in practice he will only hold back just enough to not cause real damage.
@alopda1 Really! That is the kind of thought that keeps IMA and CMA in the dark ages. Plus it isn't even true. Many old masters trained for strength by using heavy weapons.
Not a critique but just a question, i notice a lot of internal martial arts practioners, not all are some what heavy, I don't want to say obese... but how would it affect his performance as a fighter / martial artist if he decided to form his body into what a MMA fighter would look like. Would the time and dedication devoted to western muscle mass and fitness detract too much from the time required to practice bagua? Would his level of lethality increase, decrease, or not matter?
@nosvaructu My understanding is this: subcutaneous fat does not affect your ability as a fighter to the slightest, if anything it increases it slightly as it helps you withstand blows and cuts better. As someone that has seen Jinbao in action I can attest that his size does not in any way impair his speed, explosive power or the fluidity of his movements.
@nosvaructu another related point is that MMA (and other fighting sports such as boxing) require a lot more cardiovascular capacity than actual fighting, and hence they adjust their training accordingly. By that I do not mean to imply that cardiovascular exerciser are a waste of time (there are great health benefits of a strong cardio-vascular system) but if you actually get attacked other factors such as anaerobic endurance, technique, strength and mentality will play a much larger role.
@nosvaructu I am not an internal stylists per se but I will try to answer the question. The force is not generated through muscle power though the limbs but the whole body is used to generate power using the body mass. So in fact being heavy may help not hurt. Also keep in mind just because one is heave does not mean one is weak, for instance, sumo wrestlers.
This was one of his main complaints in his time about acclaimed 'masters' of various arts, no disrespect to them, but even Bruce thought physical conditioning was just as important as technique and in many cases , could overtake many techniques with mere speed/power
In other words, yes and no, you will be able to do some devastating things when mastering an art, but "overspecializing breeds weakness"
@nosvaructu The kung fu master I trained under was very big on the internal arts and also the external. He also had taught the Chinese Special Forces. The external is the foundation, your 'machinery' needs to be able to handle the delivery of a technique. Since the body is ONE system, you should train in a complete way.
@nosvaructu hello my friend. don't particularly know this master so i cannot speak for him. tough question. it really depends. personally i think they can take a page from each other. i think one should be familiar with both. be able to throw your hands and legs, clinch and some understanding of ground and definitely train internal maybe even more than external. best fighters in mma are fluid and relaxed ie anderson silva, nick diaz etc. not too tight muscularly.
@nosvaructu It doesn't matter what size you are with the science and fractal theory summoned from 8 languages. Big or small, we all know 1. Best fighters are unpredictable. 2. It takes so little to knock a person down when you fall into "emptiness" 3. MMA still has moves BANNED despite the leniency of closed fist regulations. If you would see a fight from a TRUE bagua practitioner-VS-MMA, fight will be too short and its not a main event. There r smaller&thinner people that throw over 400 lbs.
Think about it, there r more angles practiced til the INTENT is there ALL the time. So when you ask of level of lethalness increased or decrease with the CLICHE AMERICAN views of martial arts performed by cut brawlic men, my answers says YES to INCREASE. If u are rooted then a light weight may seem more dense than a tip toe muscle head.Ur first Question ...let me ask u, can you do this 10 hrs a day? Just try holding your arms up in lion posture for 10 minutes then do a 100 american pushups.
@nosvaructu it is my understanding that it is key to be loose when practicing most internal martial arts so that you your body is able to react without thought, whereas if you are stiff this is less likely to happen. also when striking with internal martial arts you are using your whole body from the ground up to power the strike and if you lift and gain a lot of bulk muscle mass it would prohibit your grounding power. hope this helped a little =P
@nosvaructu In my paarticular style, we are told that 'external is the instrument, internal is the amplifier'. So if you have a weak body but good energy, you are just as effective as someone with a strong body and no energy. But, a strong body and good energy is devastating.
@nosvaructu Considering force as mass multiply by velocity,weight is not a problem if compensated in proporcion. Also can be usefull if usefull in some techniques.
@shenlong73 Personally I have found it very tricky to mix Yin Style Baguazhang with any other martial art, and all of the key principles I have found in other martial arts are already contained in the practice so training something else to me would be superflous. That being said, there are several quite famous masters that mixed Hsing-I and Bagua, but I think they did other systems than Yin Style.
@Sjnjerak Yeah most of them did either Cheng or Liang styles... don't know of any that mixed Yin, not much point, it's such a big system it has everything in it anyway and would take forever to master.
@AlHasashinBattousai Both movement and stillness are viewed more as tactics than actual principles. The principles lie in the manner of their proper execution.
I like the applications very much. However, I did not like how the teacher's head shook during the fajing.
ssbreon 1 week ago
@ssbreon me too. I was told that it was bad for the neck/spinal cord to allow the spinal wave to go to the neck like that. Plus wouldn't it be hard to keep an eye on the opponent with the head jerking up and down like that?
thelordsfieldhand 1 day ago
Air bending Fighting Style O.O
NexusKing16 3 months ago
Has anyone tasted He Jinbao's power first hand? Can you describe it?
Jehu30 4 months ago
@Jehu30 I trained with him for four days in 2003. He is VERY fast when he attacks and his strikes almost always knock you down, and I weigh 250. He forces you into the position he wants you to be in, I was never able to defend against his strikes. The only defence I could find was to get and STAY out of range, if you are in his range you WILL I repeat YOU WILL be hit. He uses his whole body in ALL of his strikes, even in practice he will only hold back just enough to not cause real damage.
AODRHINO 3 months ago
@AODRHINO thankyou for the insight, the striking power potential of the internal styles has always been a subject of tremendous interest to me.
Jehu30 3 months ago
The guy looks retarded as hell until he's actually demonstrating the techniques on someone. Then he looks like a badass.
DSoverPSP 5 months ago
To much muscle mass would hinder the practioners ability to sense the opponents energy.
alopda1 8 months ago
@alopda1 Really! That is the kind of thought that keeps IMA and CMA in the dark ages. Plus it isn't even true. Many old masters trained for strength by using heavy weapons.
MysteriousMrC 3 months ago
Not a critique but just a question, i notice a lot of internal martial arts practioners, not all are some what heavy, I don't want to say obese... but how would it affect his performance as a fighter / martial artist if he decided to form his body into what a MMA fighter would look like. Would the time and dedication devoted to western muscle mass and fitness detract too much from the time required to practice bagua? Would his level of lethality increase, decrease, or not matter?
nosvaructu 8 months ago 3
@nosvaructu My understanding is this: subcutaneous fat does not affect your ability as a fighter to the slightest, if anything it increases it slightly as it helps you withstand blows and cuts better. As someone that has seen Jinbao in action I can attest that his size does not in any way impair his speed, explosive power or the fluidity of his movements.
Sjnjerak 6 months ago
@nosvaructu another related point is that MMA (and other fighting sports such as boxing) require a lot more cardiovascular capacity than actual fighting, and hence they adjust their training accordingly. By that I do not mean to imply that cardiovascular exerciser are a waste of time (there are great health benefits of a strong cardio-vascular system) but if you actually get attacked other factors such as anaerobic endurance, technique, strength and mentality will play a much larger role.
Sjnjerak 6 months ago
@nosvaructu he doesn't lift and he can deadlift 355 no problem, he can also do a front lever at his weight. Bagua is all you need
papageorgio123123 3 months ago
@nosvaructu I am not an internal stylists per se but I will try to answer the question. The force is not generated through muscle power though the limbs but the whole body is used to generate power using the body mass. So in fact being heavy may help not hurt. Also keep in mind just because one is heave does not mean one is weak, for instance, sumo wrestlers.
trubblman 3 months ago
@nosvaructu
a viable question, but just ask yourself, WWBD?
What Would Bruce Do? lol
This was one of his main complaints in his time about acclaimed 'masters' of various arts, no disrespect to them, but even Bruce thought physical conditioning was just as important as technique and in many cases , could overtake many techniques with mere speed/power
In other words, yes and no, you will be able to do some devastating things when mastering an art, but "overspecializing breeds weakness"
The7thCircuit 3 months ago
@nosvaructu The kung fu master I trained under was very big on the internal arts and also the external. He also had taught the Chinese Special Forces. The external is the foundation, your 'machinery' needs to be able to handle the delivery of a technique. Since the body is ONE system, you should train in a complete way.
TenTigersofChina 3 months ago
@nosvaructu hello my friend. don't particularly know this master so i cannot speak for him. tough question. it really depends. personally i think they can take a page from each other. i think one should be familiar with both. be able to throw your hands and legs, clinch and some understanding of ground and definitely train internal maybe even more than external. best fighters in mma are fluid and relaxed ie anderson silva, nick diaz etc. not too tight muscularly.
dpthinker 3 months ago
@nosvaructu It doesn't matter what size you are with the science and fractal theory summoned from 8 languages. Big or small, we all know 1. Best fighters are unpredictable. 2. It takes so little to knock a person down when you fall into "emptiness" 3. MMA still has moves BANNED despite the leniency of closed fist regulations. If you would see a fight from a TRUE bagua practitioner-VS-MMA, fight will be too short and its not a main event. There r smaller&thinner people that throw over 400 lbs.
HANGER187 3 months ago
Think about it, there r more angles practiced til the INTENT is there ALL the time. So when you ask of level of lethalness increased or decrease with the CLICHE AMERICAN views of martial arts performed by cut brawlic men, my answers says YES to INCREASE. If u are rooted then a light weight may seem more dense than a tip toe muscle head.Ur first Question ...let me ask u, can you do this 10 hrs a day? Just try holding your arms up in lion posture for 10 minutes then do a 100 american pushups.
HANGER187 3 months ago
@nosvaructu it is my understanding that it is key to be loose when practicing most internal martial arts so that you your body is able to react without thought, whereas if you are stiff this is less likely to happen. also when striking with internal martial arts you are using your whole body from the ground up to power the strike and if you lift and gain a lot of bulk muscle mass it would prohibit your grounding power. hope this helped a little =P
phil7514 1 month ago
@nosvaructu In my paarticular style, we are told that 'external is the instrument, internal is the amplifier'. So if you have a weak body but good energy, you are just as effective as someone with a strong body and no energy. But, a strong body and good energy is devastating.
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@nosvaructu Considering force as mass multiply by velocity,weight is not a problem if compensated in proporcion. Also can be usefull if usefull in some techniques.
pintolhama 4 weeks ago
Very informative. Does your style mesh well with Xing Yi
shenlong73 9 months ago
@shenlong73 Personally I have found it very tricky to mix Yin Style Baguazhang with any other martial art, and all of the key principles I have found in other martial arts are already contained in the practice so training something else to me would be superflous. That being said, there are several quite famous masters that mixed Hsing-I and Bagua, but I think they did other systems than Yin Style.
Sjnjerak 6 months ago
@Sjnjerak Yeah most of them did either Cheng or Liang styles... don't know of any that mixed Yin, not much point, it's such a big system it has everything in it anyway and would take forever to master.
ukguy 4 months ago
So is it against baguazhang principles to stand still during fighting?
AlHasashinBattousai 10 months ago
@AlHasashinBattousai Both movement and stillness are viewed more as tactics than actual principles. The principles lie in the manner of their proper execution.
pranakhan 7 months ago
great
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travelecomomy 1 year ago
Devastating in awesomeness.
HANGER187 1 year ago 8
Very clearly shows the application forms! Thank you! We are waiting for more videos!
Amida7777777 1 year ago
Ha ha Justin really went for it!
joecwright 1 year ago
HeJin Bao is awesome, so great to be able to see some of the rooster and monkey which i have never seen before, thanks for posting!!
ukguy 1 year ago
I'm in awe of HJB! O.O
artemus18 1 year ago