I think its really funny. Im a catholic, and i have a lot of atheists friends that i get along fine with. Sure they ask me questions about "do you really believe a man died and rose from the dead?". I tell them yes because it helps me. They have the right to beleieve or not beleieve in anything they want. We all do. And even Edwin Kagin has a son who is a minister, and he has a great relationship he says. I admire this man, because of all the good work he does with his camp, and will from now on
No, it hasn't. No one hurts others in the name of the lack of a god. People hurt others in the name of their god. That is a huge difference. The fact that these men happened to be atheists is of no consequence.
poor taste? then by eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a jewish zombie that is ihs daddy ,commited suicide to appease himself for the system he created andwill magically remove an ancient curse he casted upon us because a rib-woman got deceived by a talking snake is of better taste ? F UUUUUU >:O
people who claim they could not have changed w/ out god are lying.the idea of god was just a good enough reason for them to change. if was a a drug addict,theif, etc. i could simply use my family ,or value my life just a little more,as a good reason to change. i wouldnt want to be associated w/ s1 who said they would kill, or steal w/ out god. (godforbid they changed their mind about god). the reality is they would not do these things. they just think that way to justify their belief
The female news anchor is obviously a Christian because she threw out that little jab about the "blurry line between free speech and poor taste" at the last second.
I can think for myself plenty, but judging by what ive seen in the world today i know that man has no chance to live without Christ. He is the way, and the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the father but through him, but i will tell you this much the fact that im talking to you now is an oppurtunity for you to come and know Christ ......
Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun evil.
This will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones
all i know is no one could have made the change in my heart like Jesus Christ did from what i was to what i am now only God can make that change im just saying that I love you guys and im praying that one day you may have the same realization that I did all those years ago ..........God loves you
@JIMJAM851: Why would I believe in something that began in an uneducated desert? Are you saying you are as intelligent and educated as the same people 'Jesus' chose to show himself to all those years ago? Are you saying you can't think for yourself, that you actually lack the intelligence to look at why what you're thinking might be fantasy?
Mat, everyone has good feelings. They are all in your head. They are what your brain wants you to feel. Don't love Jesus, love your brain.
Why does this idea bother everyone so much? Every objection made in defense of "god" fuels the fire for this lot of comical pranksters. So keep on objecting, eventually maybe you will learn to laugh. Let's recognize that no one is blowing up any buildings here. Remember the fundamental(ist) teaching of your kindergarten teacher. 'It isn't necessary to name call, children'. We can agree to disagree. (The ability to actually do this would, in itself, prove the existance of evolution. )
Why does this idea bother everyone so much? Every objection made in defense of "god" fuels the fire for this lot of comical pranksters. No on is blowing up any buildings here.
I think it is obvious that the smart people are ATHEIST. That being said, everybody else sucks ... I'm sorry, that's life, either you're a pro, or a NOOB
I wonder what would happen if someone takes a hair drier and start "de-baptizing" believers in the street, telling them: with this "special" hair drier, i released you from your baptism grief. Most likely he will be baptized 2 m below by the believers, using soil instead of watter. :))
Well, I don't believe there are any 100% true atheists, but rather they are bitter and disgruntled believers. If they were so sure in their atheism, they wouldn't need to make such a spectacle. They don't make me so angry as they make me feel sorry for their ignorance. Just goes to show that Psalm 14 is right. The fool in his heart says there is no God.
@bimmjim And Pol Pot was not. What's your point? If you're going to argue that raising a child as a Christian or as a Muslim, or as an Atheist or along any other ideological bent creates a particular type of dysfunctional individual you need to be able to show consistency, not cherry pick examples that follow your pre-conceived notions and regard them as "proof". If you made every decision that way your own life would be dysfunctional.
There are at least 2000 different religions. Variously they worship cows, rats, monkeys or a big rock. Can I worship a monkey on a rock rather than a man on a stick?
secar a água da cabeça? isso deve funcionar para os batismos católicos, que ganham aquela esborrifada na cabeça. Já para o batismo cristão do modo como jesus foi batizado no rio jordão ou seja totalmente imerso, ia precisar entrar numa maquina de secar roupas. heheheheheheheh.
Life is ultimately meaningless in the atheist view. So wy do they care about christ?
wy are they waisting there time? what does it ultimately matter? wy do they waist all
there energy debating somthing they dont believe in? becuace at the end of the day
nothing really matters what we do on earth,because there is no point of reference to say what is god or bad. These stupid atheist cant even reason this simple truth.
@phantasm2000ad The idea that life is meaningless without god is usually a theist position, not an atheist position. Atheists debate this whole thing because government policies from social permissiveness/equality, scientific research, as well as actions in war are informed by religion. As for a point of reference for good and bad, if we define morals as judgments of what causes suffering and flourishing, then science does in fact have something to say about that - google sam harris.
@phantasm2000ad Also, to elaborate, as an atheist I think that if I could help one person out in life, that makes life meaningful regardless of the existence of god. Also, a lot has been written on the subject of good or bad by jeremy bentham, buddha, Confucius, who were all atheist/agnostic. Immanuel kant also wrote about good/evil. Lastly, a simple definition of "harm is bad, and help is good" is already a defensible point of reference to good and bad; no supernatural explanation needed.
@phantasm2000ad We atheists don't have any rules so if we want to, we can use all our energy to turn christians into atheists. In my country for example only a very small part of christians really believe in God and it's sad to see that they are still members of church. So why not motivate them to leave church?
@phantasm2000ad Life is EXTREMELY meaningful to atheists! We believe that, since there is no "life after death", we have to make the most of the time we have. I try to live my life to the fullest, making sure that I do good for others. There is no reward in the "great beyond", life is its own reward.
Good and bad do not exist simply in the context of religion, they exist within the context of society. We don't need deities to tell us what is right or wrong, good or bad.
To all atheists, when your on that plane ride and the nose of the plane is diving straight down and you know your going to die, I guarantee you, you will put your hands together and start praying to God almighty! Who are you trying to fool?
@incirlik1 I am not afraid to die. I know that death will simply be like the flipping of a switch from on to off. I'm not hoping to die soon, because I have too much left to do in this world, however, when my time comes, it comes and I will not be afraid. So, please save your "guarantees".
To all atheists, who are you trying to fool? When you are on your death bed, coming close to breathing your last breath, I guarantee you, you will pray to God Almighty for forgiveness!
@incirlik1 I guarantee you the thought that not everyone believes in god scares you more then it does me. It's a form of false security that makes you want everyone else to share in your belief because it gives you a a feeling of validity. I've seen TOO MANY theist demonstrate that they are scared shitless of being in their deathbed confronted with the ideal that once the body ceases to function you're dead. The ideal of a soul and afterlife is just wishful thinking in light of fear of death.
@incirlik1 No, I meant distress. Theism attacks when one is a very low place in life, that is why they like to go after the addicts and starving people. To take advantage of their impressionability, in the midst of their distress or you could say their life emergency moments. When a person will buy just about anything to relieve themselves of the thing they are suffering.
@mrcoldheart And that's when I would have fired her myself. I've been a professional journalist for a good number of years and one of my biggest things is to be objective. You give both sides of the story equally, you don't tell your readers/viewers which side you believe in and then let them decide.
There is no blurry line between free speech and bad taste. The very essence of free speech is that it is not limited by anyone's taste. I don't think I would say everything that Edwin Kagin does, but I demand the right to say it. The anchor woman offends me with her lack of respect for the First Amendment in the United States of America's Bill of Rights. She should think about her priorities if she honestly thinks there is a point where free speech ends because of bad taste.
I think he's doing something in very good taste. He never advocated violence against anybody or wished anybody harm; he simply is stating what is precious to him; reason, learning, truth, and so forth.
@ChinoMasFino He's doing it in a disrespectful manner and he's stating his version of truth. I wouldn't accept this if he was a religious leader making fun of atheists.
@WhatBurnsMyBacon his version of truth? What does that mean? supernatural religion isn't based on factual truth. Atheism isn't a religion and those of us who are atheists depend on reason and facts to draw are conclusions. Religion isn't even close to equivalent to atheism or freethought.
@vonkruge I've known atheists who actually believe in ghosts. Listen, I'm not going to preach to anyone about the supernatural, even though I keep an open mind without religious influence to it. I'm just saying that Kagin can't positively prove there isn't something supernatural though.
@WhatBurnsMyBacon it isn't Kagin's job to prove there isn't any - it is the believer - based on "faith" and "feelings" asking us to believe there is a supernatural. I like facts and objective tests instead. When they can do that then they might have something.
@vonkruge Oh, there are a few facts to back some things up. We have pictures of ghosts that some photo experts say are real. Or we have professional pilots who say they saw a UFO and have some pictures of it. The thing is, not many want to believe or are interested in it.
@mrcoldheart We have convicted killers with only eye witness testimony. So why aren't eye witnesses, such as doctors, pilots, and police, good enough when it comes to ghosts or UFOs?
@WhatBurnsMyBacon That's very superficial. Investigators have to be able to coherently put the crime scene back together (forensics) which is a step before trial. Very rarely will someone be convicted without a body no matter how many people say other wise.
@WhatBurnsMyBacon The reason is because unidentified sights (ghosts/ufos) are just that. You could not conclusively prove that ghosts or ufos are in fact spirits of dead people and aliens just by viewing them. It just proves a sighting. You can much more easily identify murder by seeing it.
@ChinoMasFino I don't know about that. We've had people who have seen dead loved ones and we have police who have seen aliens get into UFOs and fly off. That's pretty good for me.
@WhatBurnsMyBacon to elaborate, ufos are often just the gov't testing aircraft or putting satellites into the atmosphere by way of rockets, and ghosts are often false positives created by imagination or inaccuracies in a camera/camcorder system.
@BenjPhotoDotCom You might be referring to things predicted through indirect observations (in science) but outside of that.. Saying something exist that hasn't been proven to exist is equal to me claiming I have an alien time machine in my basement.
@mrcoldheart Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of discoveries that surprise scientists. Do those things only exist once they were discovered or did they exist prior? One example might be the types of life found around an under sea volcanic vent. Prior to that discovery it was believed nothing could live in that environment. It's obvious that those things existed prior to their discovery. There are a great many things that may exist that have yet to be discovered.
atheism doesn't necessary mean that you don't believe in everything supernatural It just mean unbelief in god/gods Buddhists don't believe in god but they believe in karma and reincarnation .
atheism doesn't necessary mean that you don't believe in everything supernatural It just mean unbelief in god/gods Buddhists don't believe in god but they believe in karma and reincarnation .
@WhatBurnsMyBacon He doesn't have to respect religion anymore than religion has to respect the idea that there is no god. I don't like or respect how religion bashes atheism, holds science back, and treats women unequally but I still have to accept it, as long as they are acting within the law. This guy is acting within the law and atheists have a right to free speech.
@ChinoMasFino Wait, I'm not saying he isn't allowed to say what he's saying, but he could be a bit respectful. And as I told Vonkruge, religious people need to be more respectful of atheists.
@WhatBurnsMyBacon What do you mean exactly by respect? whats disrespectful and respectful? I mean people make fun of the president all the time in the united states, i think its fine, but in north korea you'd get jailed for something like that. As long as he isn't going to a church and doing this, its his business in my opinion.
@ChinoMasFino Hey, I'm not a fan of making fun of the president and what Kagin is doing is disrespectful, making a mockery of religion in such a manner.
@WhatBurnsMyBacon I guess we just disagree then. A lot of irreverence is reverence in the sense that the greatest thing you could do is criticize something a bit if you care about it. I think society and progress depends on being able to criticize something. I think Kagin wants people to acknowledge that reason is a superior force for good, and honestly believes this. I think this kind of disrespect is good.
@WhatBurnsMyBacon I don't know what your faith/position/religion/interpretation is, but the problem is that these religions often have unpleasant doctrines that defy reason or compassion. If there is a god, then we could not comprehend the mind of this god, and the test might be in reverse - those who are skeptical enough, and moral enough to reject the doctrine might actually be the ones who are rewarded.
@givingmantoo Really? So you're just going to stereotype one entire thing? I wouldn't do that to atheists. Religion has it's problems, sure, but a lot of religious people do good, such as helping the homeless. Even you have to admit that religion is good in that respect.
@WhatBurnsMyBacon Religion does not HAVE problems, Religion IS a problem. It is a cancer on every culture touches, and I dont assume you would suggest we look for the silver lining on any form of cancer, would you? Dont be fooled in thinking that religion has truely helped anyone, they hand you a plate of food with one hand and stab you in the back with the other. I spent ten years in the work of "religion" they are not helping anyone.
@givingmantoo So you had one problem with one religious group and you're lumping all religions together without actually talking to the people who are a part of them?
@WhatBurnsMyBacon Wrong, I dont have a problem with religion ... religion is a problem the entire world has. Saying I dont like religion because I had a problem with it, is like saying you dont like all caner and lump them together, becuase you had a problem with one cancer.
@WhatBurnsMyBacon Then you are not paying attention. You say I have a problem with religion, but I am telling you that religion IS A problem that we all share. It is like a cancer eating away at our world, and that does not bother you then you suck.
@WhatBurnsMyBacon yes cherry pick the paragraph for the single part you want to poke at, how very theist of you. As for an adult conversation, well that is a joke. You have imaginary friends who do magic and want money, nothing very adult or rational about that bull shit. You see, there is nothing valuable or respectable about religion, it is all a load of shit. Dangerous, to be sure, but still just shit.
@givingmantoo Not all religion is dangerous and it's quite helpful. And I don't give money either. And while you may make fun of me, I have to say that you must believe in the Big Bang theory, right? So assuming you do, basically you believe that from nothing came something? Makes about as much sense as an invisible man in the sky, doesn't it?
@WhatBurnsMyBacon I know you enjoy cherry picking, that is just part of being a theist. You have to pick things apart, and choose the parts you need to prove your god thing, and get rid of the stuff that wont work for you. And the big band theory does not talk about nothing from nothing, that is a creationist straw man argument. Which I really could give a shit less about, I am not a cosmologist or a biologist. Moron
@givingmantoo Ah, been even an atheist cherry picks the things that best help prove his or her points and ignores the others.
As far as my belief of the creation of the universe, I don't have one. I keep my mind open.
So, you don't believe in God or the Big Bang theory, so what's your take? Personally I've always thought that God told some aliens to use their evolution ray gun on some monkeys, but that's just me.
I just wrote about this in my blog, What Burns My Bacon. I think it's funny that even though Kagin doesn't like religion, while making a mockery of it, his atheism is very much like those he opposes. And it's so nice to see that this going on in our supposed age of tolerance.
@WhatBurnsMyBacon Kagin doesn't speak for all of atheism and the report left out more positive details like what happens at Camp Quest. ABC News decided to focus on a small sample of the entire community.
@WhatBurnsMyBacon sure when believers like Dan Harris and McFadden show some then there should be - that's the problem - its always the atheist or non-Christians that have to be silent. Respect is a two way street
@vonkruge As long as respect must be a two way street then neither side can claim superiority. You become no better than the people you hate....... "I'm not going to be nice to any _________ because this ________ and this ________ are not nice to me." Fill in the blanks with any single ism, race, nationality, etc. It's all the same.
@BenjPhotoDotCom Who's claiming superiority? That's not what this is about = that is what believers feel that they are better than anyone who doesn't subscribe to their belief. I am not responsible for your reaction to my beliefs.
@vonkruge I don't know? Do Atheists claim that reason is superior to religion? Do the religious claim that their faith is superior to being a non-believer? I think both sides are claiming it.
To say that respect "must be" a two way street is to say that the other party is responsible not only for my beliefs but, more importantly, for my actions.
@BenjPhotoDotCom to say something is superior to something else means both are equal which isn't the case here. Humans have to be taught to believe in a god as we are born without belief. Belief and non-belief aren't even close to being equal. A valid comparison is what is true and what is not and atheism is based on rational truth and a foundation of concrete evidence.
@vonkruge Actually, to say something is superior to another thing is to acknowledge that they are not equal. I'm not sure how you can make the leap that says one thing better means both things the same......
My point, isn't whether one or the other is true. It is simply that saying respect MUST be a two way street is to allow the other group to control you. I can make you disrespect me simply by disrespecting you. I'm in control of your response.
@m00ste I'm afraid you either don't understand science or misunderstand "reason". Two "reasonable" people can reason their way to completely different conclusions. If this were not the case we would all choose the same investments, neighborhoods, friends, etc. Either that or you're claiming that anyone who makes choices that are different than yours is irrational..... or you are.
@BenjPhotoDotCom Science consists of something religion doesn't. Experiments and occams razor. Something religion doesn't have. Religious reasoning assumes a positive claim without evidence. Science finds evidence and finds a claim to explain the evidence. Science then further tests these positive claims. As stated Science is greater than religion.
@m00ste Let's reason together here a moment. You said that "Reason is greater than religion" not that science was. You went even further and said that science makes this evident. The truth is that science does not speak to the superiority of reason or religion. Now you're applying all of my statements about reason to science, which I tried to make clear, are not the same. You finish by completely changing your initial statement and proclaiming it to be the same statement as before.
@BenjPhotoDotCom Sure I reason differently than a religious person reasons. However there is only one proper way to reason fallacy free. Whether you want to hear that or not it is the truth. Science follows that kind of reasoning. Look into "Philosophy of Logic" or "Intro to Logic". There is only way to reason properly... Just because someone does it wrong doesn't make it right.
@m00ste Let me make this very simple. TAKE RELIGION OUT OF THE EQUATION. TAKE SCIENCE OUT OF THE DISCUSSION. Stick with reason or even logic if you will. Two irreligious people can take the same data and come to vastly different conclusions. Sometimes you don't have all the data but you still must make a decision. That's life. It's not an experiment, you have to make a decision and neither of you will be able to be assured that your decision is fallacy free.
@BenjPhotoDotCom And yes to do science properly you must understand logic properly. Science essentially is 'gaining knowledge'. If you cannot reason properly then you're stuck as to whether what science really is. As I said before although there is no written rule for "science is occams razor" or "science is proper logic"; all scientists in the community use proper non-false fallacies to do science whether you want to hear it or not. A fallacy is illogical reasoning.
@m00ste I'm assuming that "non-false fallacies" was a typo, so I'm not really sure what it is you think I don't want to hear. However, you once again are not hearing what I'm saying regarding using reason outside of a scientific discovery process. I don't think I'm that bad at expressing myself, so it seems that you have some bias that assumes I'm talking about one thing when I'm talking about another.
@BenjPhotoDotCom Yes that was typo that I didn't bother correcting. I didn't bother correcting it because although your point is that people have their own 'reasons'. My point is that there is only one way to reason logically.
@m00ste You're still not hearing me. You may have a specific method to apply logic to a situation or decision, but that doesn't mean your process or your outcome will be flawless. There may be situations where you have to make a decision and you don't have all of the data. We do this every day. I do it and so do you. That's just life......
@BenjPhotoDotCom About people thinking the same... You actually think everyone understands science or is even capable to doing science? No. Stop giving humanity more credit than it deserves. Religious are religious because of indoctrination, family, or 'it feels good'. There is no reason to be religious. Hence reason, no evidence NOTHING.
@vonkruge Yea, we can not expect the biased TV network to show the entire thing. They edit clips to make it appear as they want it to, I have been on the news myself a few times and they most certainly can make you say pretty much what ever they want with some editing.
@givingmantoo I'm really curious as to how anyone could be offended every day by some individual, group or belief system...... unless they were being held captive by them. There are several isms that I find offensive, but I'd have to work at making them offend me every day. I'd have to dwell on them continually and at some point I'd get tired of letting their ideas rule my day.
@givingmantoo What interaction did you have yesterday that offended you? What about today? I was talking about a literal captivity, not a metaphorical one. There are any number of purely secular societies out there and your "captors" wherever you are won't shackle you to the wall to keep you from going.
@givingmantoo It seems you look for opportunities to be offended. I asked a legitimate question and pointed out there's a difference between actually being held captive and being shackled in a metaphorical sense. I don't know if you felt like you were caught without a witty rejoinder or what, but your response says far more about your mental abilities than it does mine.
You take me for an idiot and I mistook you for someone who could carry on a legitimate conversation.
@BenjPhotoDotCom Your question was not legitimate, it was ignorant and irrelevant. You can be an idiot if you please, and pretend that religion is not a problem, but I wont be doing like wise. And you are right, you mistook me for someone who gave a fuck about what you think ... so kiss my ass and move on.
@givingmantoo See, here's a great example. You appear to be going out of your way to be offensive and I choose not to be offended. You're giving me commands that I am choosing not to comply with. I'd rather not kiss you anywhere and it doesn't hurt my feelings that you don't care about what I think. I choose not to be subjugated to your nasty attitude just as you actively choose to be offended by things that are not intended to be offensive and most people wouldn't even notice.
See.... it's still not offensive. In fact, at this point, this is the kind of response I expect from you. Personally, I'd like to know how my previous question was ignorant and irrelevant. I really would, because I didn't think it was either. Instead I get these responses. I don't know if I've offended you (seems very easy to do) or if your accusations are completely baseless and/or you just can't articulate your position.
I'd actually like to know more about why you said it.
@givingmantoo By the way, I'm not replying to you because I hope to convince you but because there are other people reading here that deserve to see that one can choose to respond kindly rather than respond in-kind.
@givingmantoo No thanks. Responding kindly has nothing to do with being a theist or an atheist. You seem to have assumed some things about me but not based on anything I've said here. I'm sorry if trying to treat people kindly is offensive to you. Is that what offends you every day? Because, if it is, I'd like to live where you do as there's far too little of it where I live.
@givingmantoo Wait..... I think I missed something here..... Is it your contention that only a theist can be kind to other people? If that's the case I'd have to refute that. I find that there are people from many walks of life that are genuinely nice people. Some are religious some aren't. I've also found that there are people, much like yourself, who have nasty attitudes toward others and are so entrenched in their position that they can't hear what others are saying. Some religious, some not.
@givingmantoo Are all atheists the same? You can pigeon hole a group that size if you want to, but you're saying more about yourself when you do. Prejudice starts when someone has a bad experience with a small segment of any larger group and assigns negative attributes to the whole. Like being served a rotten apple and assuming all apples are rotten. I can begin to make assessments about you based on your posts here but I can't apply those to anyone else here.
He sounds a little lame here. Sorry. I mean, if everyone does believe something then maybe it IS so? No. And people realize that this is common, right? Kids very often go the opposite way of their parents. I think there is such a big atheism push right now because of the "Jesus Movement" thing in the late 60s early 70's. The kids of those believers that were "saved" back then.
@givingmantoo So kids never go the opposite way of their parents? You realize in the early 70s most of THOSE kids parents were very liberal. Its a cycle that is pretty easy to observe.
"if this offends you, Edwin Kagin doesn't care"~1:49 XD
mybeautymyway 6 days ago
@1:43 Irony in it's purest form.
OriginalTexcalibur 3 weeks ago
I think a hairdryer is a perfectly appropriate de-baptism tool.
leighalison1983 2 months ago
I think its really funny. Im a catholic, and i have a lot of atheists friends that i get along fine with. Sure they ask me questions about "do you really believe a man died and rose from the dead?". I tell them yes because it helps me. They have the right to beleieve or not beleieve in anything they want. We all do. And even Edwin Kagin has a son who is a minister, and he has a great relationship he says. I admire this man, because of all the good work he does with his camp, and will from now on
maestroangel5654 4 months ago
Bunch of lunatics! Christins with "-"
Go and do somethig useful people or you look exactly like the people you fight: the cristians! LOL
Or you're too retards to notice this!...
hdremus 5 months ago
I'm with you Edwin Kagin! Keep up the good work.
lc237 6 months ago
I've just debaptised myself and I feel GREAT!
briggles 8 months ago
lmao...WAGING A WAAARRR ON RELIGION. With a hair dryer.
666mamakoala 8 months ago
atheists to the life! christians to the death!
Stipi2007 8 months ago
Successful troll.
DontShakeItUp 8 months ago
"It was defaced...presumably by believers."
PRESUMABLY???
"Godlessness had been a force for evil as well."
No, it hasn't. No one hurts others in the name of the lack of a god. People hurt others in the name of their god. That is a huge difference. The fact that these men happened to be atheists is of no consequence.
chibiariel 8 months ago
poor taste? then by eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a jewish zombie that is ihs daddy ,commited suicide to appease himself for the system he created andwill magically remove an ancient curse he casted upon us because a rib-woman got deceived by a talking snake is of better taste ? F UUUUUU >:O
eat666shit 9 months ago
lulz "blurry line between free speech and poor taste"
what a dumb bitch
Butcho22 9 months ago 10
people who claim they could not have changed w/ out god are lying.the idea of god was just a good enough reason for them to change. if was a a drug addict,theif, etc. i could simply use my family ,or value my life just a little more,as a good reason to change. i wouldnt want to be associated w/ s1 who said they would kill, or steal w/ out god. (godforbid they changed their mind about god). the reality is they would not do these things. they just think that way to justify their belief
sariglenn 10 months ago
Poor taste? this is BRILLIANT!!!
choongd 10 months ago
The female news anchor is obviously a Christian because she threw out that little jab about the "blurry line between free speech and poor taste" at the last second.
ghostexorcist 10 months ago
As an atheist i find this stupid :\
Nightmeare 1 year ago
I can think for myself plenty, but judging by what ive seen in the world today i know that man has no chance to live without Christ. He is the way, and the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the father but through him, but i will tell you this much the fact that im talking to you now is an oppurtunity for you to come and know Christ ......
Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun evil.
This will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones
JIMJAM851 1 year ago
all i know is no one could have made the change in my heart like Jesus Christ did from what i was to what i am now only God can make that change im just saying that I love you guys and im praying that one day you may have the same realization that I did all those years ago ..........God loves you
JIMJAM851 1 year ago
@JIMJAM851: Why would I believe in something that began in an uneducated desert? Are you saying you are as intelligent and educated as the same people 'Jesus' chose to show himself to all those years ago? Are you saying you can't think for yourself, that you actually lack the intelligence to look at why what you're thinking might be fantasy?
Mat, everyone has good feelings. They are all in your head. They are what your brain wants you to feel. Don't love Jesus, love your brain.
EddieTheFishReturns 1 year ago
Atheists ROCK!!!!!
adamsochLA 1 year ago 9
Evil Saruman wannabe
TheMessanjah 1 year ago
Why does this idea bother everyone so much? Every objection made in defense of "god" fuels the fire for this lot of comical pranksters. So keep on objecting, eventually maybe you will learn to laugh. Let's recognize that no one is blowing up any buildings here. Remember the fundamental(ist) teaching of your kindergarten teacher. 'It isn't necessary to name call, children'. We can agree to disagree. (The ability to actually do this would, in itself, prove the existance of evolution. )
joy7717 1 year ago
Why does this idea bother everyone so much? Every objection made in defense of "god" fuels the fire for this lot of comical pranksters. No on is blowing up any buildings here.
joy7717 1 year ago
It just reminds me how Antony Flew came to the conclusion that there is a God... interesting, coming from someone who was a very prominent atheist.
Mithferion 1 year ago
I'm an atheist and I hope that atheism don't become a "religion".
HurinThalion 1 year ago
This is stupid, and besides--he's an anti-theist if he 'wages war' on another religion.
Youanden 1 year ago
As I read theist comments, I wonder ... what made you people so damned stupid?
givingmantoo 1 year ago
I think it is obvious that the smart people are ATHEIST. That being said, everybody else sucks ... I'm sorry, that's life, either you're a pro, or a NOOB
m3xicanSuperman 1 year ago
I wonder what would happen if someone takes a hair drier and start "de-baptizing" believers in the street, telling them: with this "special" hair drier, i released you from your baptism grief. Most likely he will be baptized 2 m below by the believers, using soil instead of watter. :))
otonnis 1 year ago
i love that the blow dryer is 'a bunch of hot air' lol, awesomeness
razorflown 1 year ago
Well, I don't believe there are any 100% true atheists, but rather they are bitter and disgruntled believers. If they were so sure in their atheism, they wouldn't need to make such a spectacle. They don't make me so angry as they make me feel sorry for their ignorance. Just goes to show that Psalm 14 is right. The fool in his heart says there is no God.
belladeballe 1 year ago
My dear, intelligent, good, truthful atheist friends:
Don’t let the monotheists claim the moral high ground.
They are a bunch of weird ass freaks.
bimmjim 1 year ago
Stalin was raised in a strict Christian home. How are you raising your children?
bimmjim 1 year ago
@bimmjim And Pol Pot was not. What's your point? If you're going to argue that raising a child as a Christian or as a Muslim, or as an Atheist or along any other ideological bent creates a particular type of dysfunctional individual you need to be able to show consistency, not cherry pick examples that follow your pre-conceived notions and regard them as "proof". If you made every decision that way your own life would be dysfunctional.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
People will believe anything. L Ron Hubard demonstrated this to a high degree of certainty when he started up Scientology.
bimmjim 1 year ago
Religions are self-perpetuating mental illness.
There are at least 2000 different religions. Variously they worship cows, rats, monkeys or a big rock. Can I worship a monkey on a rock rather than a man on a stick?
bimmjim 1 year ago
That's one of the most RIDICULOUS thing I ever saw !!!
I'm not religious, but think with me:
"If God (and his everything in his system, including the baptism) doesn't exist,
so why in the world they need to be "unbaptised"??
And with a blower ? (give me a break!)
Bunch of losers !!!!
vouquevou 1 year ago
@vouquevou It is meant to be ridiculous you dingbat.
bimmjim 1 year ago
Idiots, baptism marks the soul, will be baptized even if they are to hell!
adrianofsaraujo 1 year ago
"Swallow the leader"! I LOVE it!!!
gmacv1957 1 year ago
ABC is just as bad as FOX when it comes to kissing the asses of Christians.
kenzybob 1 year ago
gay
StJude482 1 year ago
Just what I needed, MORE jerks telling me what to think.
suddendevice 1 year ago
Damn, it almost sounded like she said 50%. BTW, why does she think that these people aren't part of that 15%?
freethinker923 1 year ago
go go atheists,, jefferson from Brazil
jefferockk 1 year ago
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@rodstarr2001 So I mention the talking animals in the bible, and you call me a name> LOL you must be a christian
givingmantoo 1 year ago
secar a água da cabeça? isso deve funcionar para os batismos católicos, que ganham aquela esborrifada na cabeça. Já para o batismo cristão do modo como jesus foi batizado no rio jordão ou seja totalmente imerso, ia precisar entrar numa maquina de secar roupas. heheheheheheheh.
a gente morre e não vê tudo...
nicafe105 1 year ago
olá, alguem poderia legendar para o Portugues(Brazil)?
susanadcardoso 1 year ago
Imagina a loira que faz chapinha... todo dia.... o batismo ja foi faz tempo......
alexalburca 1 year ago
@phantasm2000ad Atheists DO NOT believe that life is meaningless. You are talking about nihilism/cynicism. Get your facts right.
tontsa911 1 year ago
Edwin Kagin is an interesting man...
VenusSatanas 1 year ago
Life is ultimately meaningless in the atheist view. So wy do they care about christ?
wy are they waisting there time? what does it ultimately matter? wy do they waist all
there energy debating somthing they dont believe in? becuace at the end of the day
nothing really matters what we do on earth,because there is no point of reference to say what is god or bad. These stupid atheist cant even reason this simple truth.
phantasm2000ad 1 year ago
@phantasm2000ad The idea that life is meaningless without god is usually a theist position, not an atheist position. Atheists debate this whole thing because government policies from social permissiveness/equality, scientific research, as well as actions in war are informed by religion. As for a point of reference for good and bad, if we define morals as judgments of what causes suffering and flourishing, then science does in fact have something to say about that - google sam harris.
ChinoMasFino 1 year ago
@phantasm2000ad Also, to elaborate, as an atheist I think that if I could help one person out in life, that makes life meaningful regardless of the existence of god. Also, a lot has been written on the subject of good or bad by jeremy bentham, buddha, Confucius, who were all atheist/agnostic. Immanuel kant also wrote about good/evil. Lastly, a simple definition of "harm is bad, and help is good" is already a defensible point of reference to good and bad; no supernatural explanation needed.
ChinoMasFino 1 year ago
@phantasm2000ad true!
rodstarr2001 1 year ago
@phantasm2000ad We atheists don't have any rules so if we want to, we can use all our energy to turn christians into atheists. In my country for example only a very small part of christians really believe in God and it's sad to see that they are still members of church. So why not motivate them to leave church?
tontsa911 1 year ago
@phantasm2000ad Life is EXTREMELY meaningful to atheists! We believe that, since there is no "life after death", we have to make the most of the time we have. I try to live my life to the fullest, making sure that I do good for others. There is no reward in the "great beyond", life is its own reward.
Good and bad do not exist simply in the context of religion, they exist within the context of society. We don't need deities to tell us what is right or wrong, good or bad.
gmacv1957 1 year ago
This report is obviously biased. Saying things like "blaspheming" and "growing more aggressive". Kagin is hilarious!
heavyharmony 1 year ago
To all atheists, when your on that plane ride and the nose of the plane is diving straight down and you know your going to die, I guarantee you, you will put your hands together and start praying to God almighty! Who are you trying to fool?
incirlik1 1 year ago
@incirlik1 i almost died - and nope, none of that happened. it actually reaffirmed my atheism.
ohdoshutit 1 year ago
@ohdoshutit: Almost? Cool! You convinced me!
incirlik1 1 year ago
@incirlik1 is that sarcasm?
ohdoshutit 1 year ago
@ohdoshutit You catch on quick. Can't pull the wool over your eyes!
incirlik1 1 year ago
@incirlik1 I am not afraid to die. I know that death will simply be like the flipping of a switch from on to off. I'm not hoping to die soon, because I have too much left to do in this world, however, when my time comes, it comes and I will not be afraid. So, please save your "guarantees".
gmacv1957 1 year ago
To all atheists, who are you trying to fool? When you are on your death bed, coming close to breathing your last breath, I guarantee you, you will pray to God Almighty for forgiveness!
incirlik1 1 year ago
@incirlik1 I guarantee you the thought that not everyone believes in god scares you more then it does me. It's a form of false security that makes you want everyone else to share in your belief because it gives you a a feeling of validity. I've seen TOO MANY theist demonstrate that they are scared shitless of being in their deathbed confronted with the ideal that once the body ceases to function you're dead. The ideal of a soul and afterlife is just wishful thinking in light of fear of death.
mrcoldheart 1 year ago
@mrcoldheart Right, we'll see.
incirlik1 1 year ago
@incirlik1 and so what, if someone becomes dilluded in a moment of distress, so what does that prove? not a fucking thing .. moron
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo: Your comment couldn’t be a "moment of stress" could it?
incirlik1 1 year ago
@incirlik1 No, I meant distress. Theism attacks when one is a very low place in life, that is why they like to go after the addicts and starving people. To take advantage of their impressionability, in the midst of their distress or you could say their life emergency moments. When a person will buy just about anything to relieve themselves of the thing they are suffering.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
I love how at the end the news caster HAD to identify with her viewers that she is a believer.
mrcoldheart 1 year ago
@mrcoldheart And that's when I would have fired her myself. I've been a professional journalist for a good number of years and one of my biggest things is to be objective. You give both sides of the story equally, you don't tell your readers/viewers which side you believe in and then let them decide.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
There is no blurry line between free speech and bad taste. The very essence of free speech is that it is not limited by anyone's taste. I don't think I would say everything that Edwin Kagin does, but I demand the right to say it. The anchor woman offends me with her lack of respect for the First Amendment in the United States of America's Bill of Rights. She should think about her priorities if she honestly thinks there is a point where free speech ends because of bad taste.
funningincircles 1 year ago
what a biased veiw on atheism and amp quest!and the rude remark the women said at the end of the video, horrible!
ahh, but i was soo caught off guard when they did a full head shot of me! lol
kingsandqueens21 1 year ago
I think he's doing something in very good taste. He never advocated violence against anybody or wished anybody harm; he simply is stating what is precious to him; reason, learning, truth, and so forth.
ChinoMasFino 1 year ago
@ChinoMasFino He's doing it in a disrespectful manner and he's stating his version of truth. I wouldn't accept this if he was a religious leader making fun of atheists.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon his version of truth? What does that mean? supernatural religion isn't based on factual truth. Atheism isn't a religion and those of us who are atheists depend on reason and facts to draw are conclusions. Religion isn't even close to equivalent to atheism or freethought.
vonkruge 1 year ago
@vonkruge I've known atheists who actually believe in ghosts. Listen, I'm not going to preach to anyone about the supernatural, even though I keep an open mind without religious influence to it. I'm just saying that Kagin can't positively prove there isn't something supernatural though.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon it isn't Kagin's job to prove there isn't any - it is the believer - based on "faith" and "feelings" asking us to believe there is a supernatural. I like facts and objective tests instead. When they can do that then they might have something.
vonkruge 1 year ago 5
@vonkruge Oh, there are a few facts to back some things up. We have pictures of ghosts that some photo experts say are real. Or we have professional pilots who say they saw a UFO and have some pictures of it. The thing is, not many want to believe or are interested in it.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon No one has been able to prove the supernatural and that's the same as proving it doesn't exist.
mrcoldheart 1 year ago
@mrcoldheart Well, I know a few people who have enough prove for themselves that something supernatural is out there.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon personal proof that can't be demonstrated to others is indistinguishable from NO proof. Why don't you understand that?
mrcoldheart 1 year ago
@mrcoldheart We have convicted killers with only eye witness testimony. So why aren't eye witnesses, such as doctors, pilots, and police, good enough when it comes to ghosts or UFOs?
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon That's very superficial. Investigators have to be able to coherently put the crime scene back together (forensics) which is a step before trial. Very rarely will someone be convicted without a body no matter how many people say other wise.
mrcoldheart 1 year ago
@mrcoldheart But it does happen.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon The reason is because unidentified sights (ghosts/ufos) are just that. You could not conclusively prove that ghosts or ufos are in fact spirits of dead people and aliens just by viewing them. It just proves a sighting. You can much more easily identify murder by seeing it.
ChinoMasFino 1 year ago
@ChinoMasFino I don't know about that. We've had people who have seen dead loved ones and we have police who have seen aliens get into UFOs and fly off. That's pretty good for me.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon to elaborate, ufos are often just the gov't testing aircraft or putting satellites into the atmosphere by way of rockets, and ghosts are often false positives created by imagination or inaccuracies in a camera/camcorder system.
ChinoMasFino 1 year ago
@ChinoMasFino "Often" but not every time. ;-)
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon fair enough.
ChinoMasFino 1 year ago
@mrcoldheart That's not the same at all. Many things exist that have not been discovered or "proven" to exist.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom You might be referring to things predicted through indirect observations (in science) but outside of that.. Saying something exist that hasn't been proven to exist is equal to me claiming I have an alien time machine in my basement.
mrcoldheart 1 year ago
@mrcoldheart Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of discoveries that surprise scientists. Do those things only exist once they were discovered or did they exist prior? One example might be the types of life found around an under sea volcanic vent. Prior to that discovery it was believed nothing could live in that environment. It's obvious that those things existed prior to their discovery. There are a great many things that may exist that have yet to be discovered.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon
atheism doesn't necessary mean that you don't believe in everything supernatural It just mean unbelief in god/gods Buddhists don't believe in god but they believe in karma and reincarnation .
zoltan6561 1 year ago
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@WhatBurnsMyBacon
atheism doesn't necessary mean that you don't believe in everything supernatural It just mean unbelief in god/gods Buddhists don't believe in god but they believe in karma and reincarnation .
zoltan6561 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon He doesn't have to respect religion anymore than religion has to respect the idea that there is no god. I don't like or respect how religion bashes atheism, holds science back, and treats women unequally but I still have to accept it, as long as they are acting within the law. This guy is acting within the law and atheists have a right to free speech.
ChinoMasFino 1 year ago
@ChinoMasFino Wait, I'm not saying he isn't allowed to say what he's saying, but he could be a bit respectful. And as I told Vonkruge, religious people need to be more respectful of atheists.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon What do you mean exactly by respect? whats disrespectful and respectful? I mean people make fun of the president all the time in the united states, i think its fine, but in north korea you'd get jailed for something like that. As long as he isn't going to a church and doing this, its his business in my opinion.
ChinoMasFino 1 year ago
@ChinoMasFino Hey, I'm not a fan of making fun of the president and what Kagin is doing is disrespectful, making a mockery of religion in such a manner.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon I guess we just disagree then. A lot of irreverence is reverence in the sense that the greatest thing you could do is criticize something a bit if you care about it. I think society and progress depends on being able to criticize something. I think Kagin wants people to acknowledge that reason is a superior force for good, and honestly believes this. I think this kind of disrespect is good.
ChinoMasFino 1 year ago
@ChinoMasFino But what's wrong with having a little faith as long as it's not going to harm your fellow person and not slow progress as a society?
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon I don't know what your faith/position/religion/interpretation is, but the problem is that these religions often have unpleasant doctrines that defy reason or compassion. If there is a god, then we could not comprehend the mind of this god, and the test might be in reverse - those who are skeptical enough, and moral enough to reject the doctrine might actually be the ones who are rewarded.
ChinoMasFino 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon What is there to respect about religion? not a goddamned thing, fuck those shits
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo Well, you convinced me. I've seen the light now.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon Still there is nothing to respect about religion.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo Really? So you're just going to stereotype one entire thing? I wouldn't do that to atheists. Religion has it's problems, sure, but a lot of religious people do good, such as helping the homeless. Even you have to admit that religion is good in that respect.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon Religion does not HAVE problems, Religion IS a problem. It is a cancer on every culture touches, and I dont assume you would suggest we look for the silver lining on any form of cancer, would you? Dont be fooled in thinking that religion has truely helped anyone, they hand you a plate of food with one hand and stab you in the back with the other. I spent ten years in the work of "religion" they are not helping anyone.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo So you had one problem with one religious group and you're lumping all religions together without actually talking to the people who are a part of them?
Well, as long as you're not stereotyping.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon Wrong, I dont have a problem with religion ... religion is a problem the entire world has. Saying I dont like religion because I had a problem with it, is like saying you dont like all caner and lump them together, becuase you had a problem with one cancer.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo " Wrong, I dont have a problem with religion ... religion is a problem the entire world has" That sounds like a contradiction to me.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon Then you are not paying attention. You say I have a problem with religion, but I am telling you that religion IS A problem that we all share. It is like a cancer eating away at our world, and that does not bother you then you suck.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo Well there's a well thought out, rational argument: "you suck."
I'm so glad we can have an adult conversation about this. But thanks for sharing your opinion.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon yes cherry pick the paragraph for the single part you want to poke at, how very theist of you. As for an adult conversation, well that is a joke. You have imaginary friends who do magic and want money, nothing very adult or rational about that bull shit. You see, there is nothing valuable or respectable about religion, it is all a load of shit. Dangerous, to be sure, but still just shit.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo Not all religion is dangerous and it's quite helpful. And I don't give money either. And while you may make fun of me, I have to say that you must believe in the Big Bang theory, right? So assuming you do, basically you believe that from nothing came something? Makes about as much sense as an invisible man in the sky, doesn't it?
And I enjoy cherry picking!
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon I know you enjoy cherry picking, that is just part of being a theist. You have to pick things apart, and choose the parts you need to prove your god thing, and get rid of the stuff that wont work for you. And the big band theory does not talk about nothing from nothing, that is a creationist straw man argument. Which I really could give a shit less about, I am not a cosmologist or a biologist. Moron
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo Ah, been even an atheist cherry picks the things that best help prove his or her points and ignores the others.
As far as my belief of the creation of the universe, I don't have one. I keep my mind open.
So, you don't believe in God or the Big Bang theory, so what's your take? Personally I've always thought that God told some aliens to use their evolution ray gun on some monkeys, but that's just me.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
I just wrote about this in my blog, What Burns My Bacon. I think it's funny that even though Kagin doesn't like religion, while making a mockery of it, his atheism is very much like those he opposes. And it's so nice to see that this going on in our supposed age of tolerance.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon Kagin doesn't speak for all of atheism and the report left out more positive details like what happens at Camp Quest. ABC News decided to focus on a small sample of the entire community.
vonkruge 1 year ago
@vonkruge There are a lot of positive things from atheists as I have atheist friends, but there needs to be a level of respect.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon sure when believers like Dan Harris and McFadden show some then there should be - that's the problem - its always the atheist or non-Christians that have to be silent. Respect is a two way street
vonkruge 1 year ago 2
@vonkruge You won't get any argument from me there.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@vonkruge you are so right!
ImHisGhost 1 year ago
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@vonkruge you are so right!
ImHisGhost 1 year ago
@vonkruge you are so right!
ImHisGhost 1 year ago
@vonkruge As long as respect must be a two way street then neither side can claim superiority. You become no better than the people you hate....... "I'm not going to be nice to any _________ because this ________ and this ________ are not nice to me." Fill in the blanks with any single ism, race, nationality, etc. It's all the same.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom Who's claiming superiority? That's not what this is about = that is what believers feel that they are better than anyone who doesn't subscribe to their belief. I am not responsible for your reaction to my beliefs.
vonkruge 1 year ago
@vonkruge I don't know? Do Atheists claim that reason is superior to religion? Do the religious claim that their faith is superior to being a non-believer? I think both sides are claiming it.
To say that respect "must be" a two way street is to say that the other party is responsible not only for my beliefs but, more importantly, for my actions.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom to say something is superior to something else means both are equal which isn't the case here. Humans have to be taught to believe in a god as we are born without belief. Belief and non-belief aren't even close to being equal. A valid comparison is what is true and what is not and atheism is based on rational truth and a foundation of concrete evidence.
vonkruge 1 year ago
@vonkruge Actually, to say something is superior to another thing is to acknowledge that they are not equal. I'm not sure how you can make the leap that says one thing better means both things the same......
My point, isn't whether one or the other is true. It is simply that saying respect MUST be a two way street is to allow the other group to control you. I can make you disrespect me simply by disrespecting you. I'm in control of your response.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom Reason is greater than religion. This is evident with science. Nuff said.
m00ste 1 year ago
@m00ste I'm afraid you either don't understand science or misunderstand "reason". Two "reasonable" people can reason their way to completely different conclusions. If this were not the case we would all choose the same investments, neighborhoods, friends, etc. Either that or you're claiming that anyone who makes choices that are different than yours is irrational..... or you are.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom Science consists of something religion doesn't. Experiments and occams razor. Something religion doesn't have. Religious reasoning assumes a positive claim without evidence. Science finds evidence and finds a claim to explain the evidence. Science then further tests these positive claims. As stated Science is greater than religion.
m00ste 1 year ago
@m00ste Let's reason together here a moment. You said that "Reason is greater than religion" not that science was. You went even further and said that science makes this evident. The truth is that science does not speak to the superiority of reason or religion. Now you're applying all of my statements about reason to science, which I tried to make clear, are not the same. You finish by completely changing your initial statement and proclaiming it to be the same statement as before.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom Sure I reason differently than a religious person reasons. However there is only one proper way to reason fallacy free. Whether you want to hear that or not it is the truth. Science follows that kind of reasoning. Look into "Philosophy of Logic" or "Intro to Logic". There is only way to reason properly... Just because someone does it wrong doesn't make it right.
m00ste 1 year ago
@m00ste Let me make this very simple. TAKE RELIGION OUT OF THE EQUATION. TAKE SCIENCE OUT OF THE DISCUSSION. Stick with reason or even logic if you will. Two irreligious people can take the same data and come to vastly different conclusions. Sometimes you don't have all the data but you still must make a decision. That's life. It's not an experiment, you have to make a decision and neither of you will be able to be assured that your decision is fallacy free.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom And yes to do science properly you must understand logic properly. Science essentially is 'gaining knowledge'. If you cannot reason properly then you're stuck as to whether what science really is. As I said before although there is no written rule for "science is occams razor" or "science is proper logic"; all scientists in the community use proper non-false fallacies to do science whether you want to hear it or not. A fallacy is illogical reasoning.
m00ste 1 year ago
@m00ste I'm assuming that "non-false fallacies" was a typo, so I'm not really sure what it is you think I don't want to hear. However, you once again are not hearing what I'm saying regarding using reason outside of a scientific discovery process. I don't think I'm that bad at expressing myself, so it seems that you have some bias that assumes I'm talking about one thing when I'm talking about another.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom Yes that was typo that I didn't bother correcting. I didn't bother correcting it because although your point is that people have their own 'reasons'. My point is that there is only one way to reason logically.
m00ste 1 year ago
@m00ste You're still not hearing me. You may have a specific method to apply logic to a situation or decision, but that doesn't mean your process or your outcome will be flawless. There may be situations where you have to make a decision and you don't have all of the data. We do this every day. I do it and so do you. That's just life......
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom About people thinking the same... You actually think everyone understands science or is even capable to doing science? No. Stop giving humanity more credit than it deserves. Religious are religious because of indoctrination, family, or 'it feels good'. There is no reason to be religious. Hence reason, no evidence NOTHING.
m00ste 1 year ago
@m00ste Again, you're mistaking all of my statements about reason as being equally applicable to science. They are not.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@vonkruge Yea, we can not expect the biased TV network to show the entire thing. They edit clips to make it appear as they want it to, I have been on the news myself a few times and they most certainly can make you say pretty much what ever they want with some editing.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon Strawman
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo Uh, ... Stickman.
WhatBurnsMyBacon 1 year ago
@WhatBurnsMyBacon What ever you want to call it, it is still bull shit in the end.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
I am offended by Christians and Christianity every sing day, and it is just too bad for them if they find atheist offensive. FUCK em'
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo I'm really curious as to how anyone could be offended every day by some individual, group or belief system...... unless they were being held captive by them. There are several isms that I find offensive, but I'd have to work at making them offend me every day. I'd have to dwell on them continually and at some point I'd get tired of letting their ideas rule my day.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom We are held captive by religion, are you not paying attention ?
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo What interaction did you have yesterday that offended you? What about today? I was talking about a literal captivity, not a metaphorical one. There are any number of purely secular societies out there and your "captors" wherever you are won't shackle you to the wall to keep you from going.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom If you want to be an idiot, that is your problem. I wont be joining you ...
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo It seems you look for opportunities to be offended. I asked a legitimate question and pointed out there's a difference between actually being held captive and being shackled in a metaphorical sense. I don't know if you felt like you were caught without a witty rejoinder or what, but your response says far more about your mental abilities than it does mine.
You take me for an idiot and I mistook you for someone who could carry on a legitimate conversation.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom Your question was not legitimate, it was ignorant and irrelevant. You can be an idiot if you please, and pretend that religion is not a problem, but I wont be doing like wise. And you are right, you mistook me for someone who gave a fuck about what you think ... so kiss my ass and move on.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo See, here's a great example. You appear to be going out of your way to be offensive and I choose not to be offended. You're giving me commands that I am choosing not to comply with. I'd rather not kiss you anywhere and it doesn't hurt my feelings that you don't care about what I think. I choose not to be subjugated to your nasty attitude just as you actively choose to be offended by things that are not intended to be offensive and most people wouldn't even notice.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and yaddda yaddda fuck you
givingmantoo 1 year ago
See.... it's still not offensive. In fact, at this point, this is the kind of response I expect from you. Personally, I'd like to know how my previous question was ignorant and irrelevant. I really would, because I didn't think it was either. Instead I get these responses. I don't know if I've offended you (seems very easy to do) or if your accusations are completely baseless and/or you just can't articulate your position.
I'd actually like to know more about why you said it.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@givingmantoo By the way, I'm not replying to you because I hope to convince you but because there are other people reading here that deserve to see that one can choose to respond kindly rather than respond in-kind.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom Oh you mighty theist, you have responded kindly ... LOL stick it up your ass.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo No thanks. Responding kindly has nothing to do with being a theist or an atheist. You seem to have assumed some things about me but not based on anything I've said here. I'm sorry if trying to treat people kindly is offensive to you. Is that what offends you every day? Because, if it is, I'd like to live where you do as there's far too little of it where I live.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@givingmantoo Wait..... I think I missed something here..... Is it your contention that only a theist can be kind to other people? If that's the case I'd have to refute that. I find that there are people from many walks of life that are genuinely nice people. Some are religious some aren't. I've also found that there are people, much like yourself, who have nasty attitudes toward others and are so entrenched in their position that they can't hear what others are saying. Some religious, some not.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
@BenjPhotoDotCom All theist are ass holes, it is just part of the god game.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo Are all atheists the same? You can pigeon hole a group that size if you want to, but you're saying more about yourself when you do. Prejudice starts when someone has a bad experience with a small segment of any larger group and assigns negative attributes to the whole. Like being served a rotten apple and assuming all apples are rotten. I can begin to make assessments about you based on your posts here but I can't apply those to anyone else here.
BenjPhotoDotCom 1 year ago
He sounds a little lame here. Sorry. I mean, if everyone does believe something then maybe it IS so? No. And people realize that this is common, right? Kids very often go the opposite way of their parents. I think there is such a big atheism push right now because of the "Jesus Movement" thing in the late 60s early 70's. The kids of those believers that were "saved" back then.
lambchopxoxo 1 year ago
@lambchopxoxo you are wrong, the atheist "movement" is because people are smarter and reading the literature and realizing what a load of shit it is.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo So kids never go the opposite way of their parents? You realize in the early 70s most of THOSE kids parents were very liberal. Its a cycle that is pretty easy to observe.
lambchopxoxo 1 year ago