"Excessive contact" = pussy rule. The TKD guy was not used to being punched in the face, and really just moved is head away hoping it would stop.
The second match (with the Karateka) was a different story. He punched hard through the WC barrage and worked the leg kicks well. He was taking it easily
wing chun and judo/bjj is an amazing combination as wing chun allows you to get in close and knock the opponent with lightning fast punches , then when you get in on the inside you execute a judo throw/takedown and finish on the ground , believe me ive been in this situation before
quello che fa taekwondo è meglio che si ritiri da questo sport, doveva tenere il tizio del wing chun a distanza con calci e pugni, con tranvate secche che lo suonavano come una campana. invece non faceva niente andava sulla corta distanza facendo il gioco del wing chun e prendendo anche un calcio sulle palle come ciliegina sulla torta. manco fosse quello del wing chun il doppio di lui. solo così si tiene a bada il wing chun con le tecniche del taekwondo.
Fake bad taekwondo, not enough speed and determination. You have to understand that a good wing chun practicer is nearly invincible in close fighting because of his speed, so you have to keep him away, don't try to just touch him, don't hesitate, strike strongly and speedly with your legs, medium and high kicks, above all low kicks (weak defense on it in wing chun) don't let him come closer.
The small space is a major problem for the TKD guy. Its not really fair on him to fight in such a small space and to lose points for stepping out side the square. It favours close in styles like wing chun or BJJ/grappling.
The longer range fighters like TKD or kick boxers will find it harder than the guys whos style is to get in close.
I think this fighting area is stupid. Put them in a cage instead.
@SkemeKOS But at the same time most the time you fight you're going to be in a small area. Not common to get into a fist fight in a friendly neighborhood park. More common in a bar, in an alley, and all that stuff. Understand if you give more room, it's the same as saying it favors a longer range style.
But it's not the styles fault, it's the strategist. The TKD guy could have just as easily moved any direction other than backwards. But TKD generally teachers only forward and back.
The small area isnt the only problem, or even the biggest problem(maybe), its the fact that if you step out side of the square, you lose a point. Thats incredibly stupid and unrealistic, and again, favours the close quarter fighters like wing chun or BJJ. If there was a cage then it would eliminate a lot of bullshit and make it a more fair and realistic fight.
The cage represents a room. What does a little square with no walls represent? Fighting on a high rise building roof? LOL
Yeah, most of the time, you fight in a small area, but the fight doesnt end when you touch the walls - you carry on fighting! Its just asking for the wing chun guys to exploit it with their chain punches.
@SkemeKOS So you are complaining that one guy has chain punches when the other guy could just as easily do chain punches back, or do repetative kicks? TKD people have done that too me. The TKD guy just wasn't aggressive.
If you want to buy them a ring, by all means do it. Otherwise it's not getting there.
The tape, it's just awarness. Everyone who competes has to be aware of the tape. Really it's the TKD guys fault for not being aware of where tape is, meaning he's not aware of his -
@SkemeKOS You do understand that TKD specific matches at TKD tournements follow these same rules with a tape marked arena right? They jsut dont allow as much hand motion. So the tape is still there, stepping out gets you marked down.
I do like the fact that you're not bashing Wing Chun though. Old TKD people I know hate it, say it's the most worthless thing ever and will never be effective for anything. So thank you for not doing that lol.
LOL Well Im not much of a TKD fan to be honest. I dont know enough about it to be a fan.
Im an huuuuuuuge MMA/JKD fan though and practice BJJ as a hobby.
Im also a fan of Wing Chun too so Im not going to bash it.
I have to admit that I dont like everything about Wing Chun though. But then again, theres always something I dont like about EVERY art. No art is perfect, right!?
So Im guessing Wing Chun dominates TKD in the majority of these competitions?
@SkemeKOS I didn't like TKD. I learned it from different teachers for years but it was never for me. Now a days it's not as effective because of their focus. It's in the style to do more, but they put their focus purely on their tournament rules.
I would find stuff I didn't like about wing chun. I would try so hard to deny them. But whenever I sparred, I'd find myself doing them and it being effective no matter how much I didn't want it to be.
-The hand positioning is actually to force you to throw a hook because a straight punch moves faster.
-The grabbing, we do in every motion. You see more drastic grabs typically if we get close enough, we'll put you in a head lock and throw you or something.
- We are taught never to use hands for anything below the waiste. Legs guard lower half, hands upper.
-We dont like to hook because they don't have our body's weight behind it, just thrown into it.
@SkemeKOS Also the idea is the more you kick, the less balance you have because the more you're on one foot. The higher the kick, the worst your balance and the more vulnerable you are. We kick low because it is also much harder to see comeing while in close in fighting, and shin kicks hurt. Also they kick into sensitive areas as well in the legs.
I dont really know enough of Wing Chun to form a REAL opinion on it or to really give my thoughts on its weaknesses. But I still stand by some of those things like the hand position. I think its quite dangerous against a boxer. It looks cool though!
I would like to learn Wing Chun, and then I could give a better opinion on it.
Again, Im just a average Wing Chun fan so my opinion is probably completely wrong.
@SkemeKOS In the end I accepted the ideas I tried to deny. And now adays I see little to no issue. I don't do pure WC though. I mix primarily Bak Mei into it which is so similar that the main difference is the occassional committed move, and my back isn't so stiff allowing more power from rising and sinking.
Thats interesting too. So let me get this right, you find you get more power from having a less stiff back(curved spine?)?
I ask because I was having a small debate with another wing chun guy who used an example of straight building being more stable than a leaning building.
I argued that, although I see his point, the human body is NOTHING like a building. Muscles act in real time, unlike structure beams of a building.
@SkemeKOS curved like a boxer or a jkd practitioner. Flexibility allows for corrections. I do it because of bak mei, we use the rising to assist in power in uprooting opponents, and when sinking we curve our spine and throw out or shoulders to strike with more force.
To me it helps me with my balance more personally, and not all WC fighters follow a straight back.
Remember most martial arts you see on youtube isn't really good, and doesn't represent the art itself.
In wing chun we get yelled at for not being aware. Why? What if theres another person? WHat if they're attacking? What if you trip? It's all situational awareness which the TKD just doesnt seem to teach (I've done both). The chain punches, you can't complain. That would be like me complaining that TKD kicks me in the head when Wing Chun doesnt.
In a real fight, it doesnt stop no. They trip and lose balance and focus though. Also in a real fight elbows are allowed,-
@SkemeKOS as well as eye gauges, throat jabs, nut shots as much as you want, joint breaks, and all that stuff. This doesnt test only their full fighting ability, but part of it, their situational awareness, and their ability to work with limitations.
It may be second nature to throw an elbow for some, but do that here and you'd be disqualified.
@SkemeKOS My point is, TKD can chase back just as easily. It's up to the individuals experience, and the aggressivness of the attacker as to whether or not it works though.
In TKD people chased me back. I simply learned to charge forward instead like this guy. It's just fighting strategy. He could have just as easily moved away at 45 degrees. Issue is he isn't used to running away at that angle which is one of the only ways to get away from a wall anyways against someone good at close combat
@SkemeKOS On a side note, it's not really even a technique just what we'er taught to do. We're taught to always apply forward pressure and close the gap where TKD is taught always to maintain the gap and typically keep distance. If you dont put anything in front, we punch. If we have no contact, we punch. You make contact, we move it, and punch. Just the strategy.
So it was more who could use their strategy more effectivly. They both simply did what they were taught.
I basically already said it would be better to make a bigger square as I said its unfair for long range fighters to fight in such a small square. ALL the wing chun guy has to do is push forward with chain punches(he doesnt even have to land any....just scare the TKD into stepping back out side of the square!! - its BULLSHIT and unrealistic)
There should be a cage so cheap and unrealistic tactics like that are eliminated.
I'm a black belt in taekwondo. What I don't like about Taekwondo is you are locked in one style. The Chinese Martial, Wing Chun, Jeet Kune do and Kung fu, you can do any style that works for you. You can play dead and your oponent will lose their guard.
I've been doing TKD for about 20 years but I love WC. The thing is, sparring in TKD is extremely difficult as we hit full power, which is not allowed here. So obviously a kick hurts more than a punch, but if you are not free to kick with power and speed, this allows the opponent to come closer, as it is also easier to control punches than kicks. But i truly believe that a good fighter with a mix of these 2 styles would be deadly.
1st dude got owned. hes not used to the punches. 2nd guy was making fun but after the match, i think it changed his mind. i'm a amateur tkd practicioner but a big fan of wing chun. you can see the wing chun guy do some stop kicks on the tdk guy also he was busy not getting punched in the face to throw kicks. sparring is not as easy as it looks, u guys have to realize the opponent is constantly moving. its speed and motion.
Just for information, you now can see only original Wingchun in Vietnam and some part of China. I have never been to China but i have been to Vietnam 3 months to learn WC. The fighter there are quite stiff. Unfortunately, they practise WC just to maintain it so they dont have extensive school of WC, just i sifu with a few students the whole life. They are some kinds of underground raper. There is a man there named Sinh who was 70 years old but still can take an US marine down in 15 secs!
by the way, it is not original Wingchun as well. it looks the same as the fist from HongKong that they added some new moves to the original Wingchun and made it more flexible. If you say that a real TKD would defeat that Wungchun fighter then i can state that a real Wingchun fighter will take those men down in 3 mins. So it is not about the fists, it is about the abilities of the fighter and how hard they are. Stop discussing that way man
The reason for those TKD fighter who were not doing correct kicks because they are fighting with a Wingchin fighter. To perform those kicks, you need a distance from your body to the opponent. However, the principle of Wingchun is to get close contact and using hand the most to defeat opponent, legs are for you to stand stably, normally Wingchun has only low kick or kick using knee. So you could see that no kick can touch that Wingchun fighter because he get close to his opponent all the times
LOL this tkd guy is a black belt? My seniors can do much better. This isn't real tkd, if you guys take this as a serious comparison then you probably have no knowledge in martial arts.
I like the aggressiveness of the WC fighter, the first TKD fighter was lacking of it, the second one was more aggressive, anyway, I expect a lot more of power from TKD.
@Brunothetigerheart A principle of Wing Tzun, Wing Chun or Wing Tsun is that you don't need much power when you punch in weak parts located in the middle line
It sucks, that many people think that tkd is bad because they saw the fights here in youtube, but the tkd fighter fight only after the fight rules. But many people don't know what you all learn in tkd for street fights! TKD is one of the best Fightarts
@TheGuitarplayer1997 Wing Chun is BEST suited for Street fights more than anything. Famous practitioner Bruce Lee only did get into Street fighting and won EVERY single time against people who literally wanted to hurt him badly and agressively.
@ForceRcnMarine no no bruce lee have make a lot of fight arts not only wing chun!!! im sure in a street fight the tkd fighter would win, i think you have never seen the real TAEKWONDO !!!
@TheGuitarplayer1997 He practiced Wing Chun and his own lifestyle/ way of fighting Jeet kune Do. See sometimes i still think in a street fight its harder for a TKD fighter to get in his kicks especially when someone gets up in his face like this WC fighter did. A TKD needs distance. Dont get me wrong a TKD had great chances winning based on the fighter. But i think with WC its just that much easier. With those rapid punches what can the opponent do with him coming at him that fast.?
@ForceRcnMarine a tkd fighter dont need distance! there are many techniques in Taekwondo what you can use when your oppenent is near to you. and in tkd you also use your hands, not only your feet. in a street fight a tkd fighter can also punched his oppenet with his hand i the face !!! in tkd you learn a lot of techniques for the street, you don't know what a tkd fighter a learn in the training. A good tkd fighter is faster than a good wing tsun fighter, im sure! here in youtube are often
@ForceRcnMarine shown not so good fighters, so everybody think that TaeKwonDo is a bad fight art, but many didnt know the real power of tkd, it sucks ! the fighters in this video did not used the best techniques of tkd... they only have raise there feets, but they dont use the many tricks... You don't know the real TAEKWONDO !!!
@TheGuitarplayer1997 you also dont know,what is real wing chun!!!!! if u call the master tkd and master wing chun fight,you will know ,what is real wing chun.
This proper & practical usage of wing chun vs other styles. Watch his defence, avoiding & counter attack.... Super quick reflex & accuracy! Hope to see him in more ALL styles fight categories :D
@AsG1989 TKD is a long range kicking style so you want to jam him, get inside his effective range and then his total lack of hand techniqies is exploited.
wing chun was created to defeat all shaolin styles and the rapid punches are called chain punches and that's wing chun's main attack. only a master of a martial art stands a chance but not much of one since all other styles try to look "cool" and wing chun is about straight to the point fighting... get over it.
Wing Chun in my opinion dominates Taekwondo, WC is very close fighting while Taekwondo is as long as the users legs, soon as someone gets to close and the TKW user doesn't have room they're dominated.
The people who say WC is bad are usually the type of Macho supercunts who do karate and think it's a martial art. They can't handle a real discipline so they go do Japanese ballet instead. Excessive contact at a martial arts event? What a loaf of shit.
@L1MB091 So are you saying that Shaolin White Crane Kungfu is a ballet as well? Shaolin is kungfu. Shaolin White Crane is kungfu. Wing Chun is kungfu or..is it a ballet as well?
Think before you post supercunt. Karate descended from the Shaolin White Crane style and over time it was refined into a competent art by the Japanese and now it's one of the best in the world. What do you know of "real discipline"? Fail..
The Judges are retards. How the fk is that a draw + Disqualification? Both fighters couldn't land a single punch on the wing chun guy.
That just goes to show, martial arts for competition sucks in real combat. If a FIGHTING ART sucks at real combat, then it is useless for self defense which makes the martial art inherently useless.
@wtoe24 If that guy had kicked me in the nuts, i'd have gotten right back up and busted his knee caps out and taken him to the floor and proceeded to beat his face into a pulp until the six refs pulled me off of him. I don't like getting hit in the dick
@blacky79506 They both fucking suck (Wing Chun guy and TKD guy). I've seen better from both styles. Sad thing is, it's probably not all their fault. It's their instructor's fault for instruction that inevitably lacks clarity and attention to detail thus leading to a mediocre student base. It used to make me angry to see stuff like this now it's just sad that people would put all of their effort into something to only have 50% of it returned by a crappy instructional staff.
in wing chun you dont charge them until you have an opening after blocking, sadly tournaments and stuff have time limits and you have to avoid some of the wing chun stuff
This is one of the only WC vs. other styles on the web that shows true WC applications. There is so much talk on the web about how bad WC is, which I of course do not believe.
@kgershenson It's true. I also train in Wing Chun and it's just that we as Wing Chun practitioners don't need to show off. It's in our art to not be competitive. We are a self defense art, not a competitive one.
IS FOR THIS REASON THAT IS NOT GOOD IDEA TO MIX DIFERENT STYLES. EVERY STYLE WAS DESIGNED FOR DIFERENTS SPORT COMBAT SYSTEMS. TAEKWONDO IS SPORT COMBAT (IN THIS TIMES). AND WING CHUN IS MORE APROPIATED FOR THE STREETS AND SELF DEFENSE. IS LIKE TO PLUS APPLES & ORANGES!
with all do respect i am a wing chun fan if thre is any such thing, but taekwon do is an even match since one is fighting from a certain distance hence using feet and the other on a close combat hence using mostly hands and one more thing the dude is only using one technique...honestly unimpressed by the wing chun guy
I hate point fighting. Especially with WC. Don't get me wrong the WC chain punching style can be extremely powerful but there is no way to tell until you see them actually hit somebody. Some straight blasters hit and some wave there arms around. Guys that could break bones look identical to guys that couldn't crack eggs. Aren't there some full contact WC tournaments out there? I'd pay good $ to see that.
just couldn't protect their own balls couldn't they?
This fight scene is sooo cool!! The first time i've seen Wing Chun used without boxing gloves and pads in a tournament. Thank you for such an enlightening video.
@the0tobes0machine incase u don't know it's not allowed to hit full power punches in the tournament. if u read the earlier comment there he got disqualified in another match just because of that. these black belters were simply too slow
I think that it is awesome that sifu used only the very basics of WC and easily beat these black belts. Sifu was never even touched near the face. They are luck sifu held back or they would be toast.
"Excessive contact" = pussy rule. The TKD guy was not used to being punched in the face, and really just moved is head away hoping it would stop.
The second match (with the Karateka) was a different story. He punched hard through the WC barrage and worked the leg kicks well. He was taking it easily
TheTerrorUforgot 1 month ago
1:16 nut cracking technique fail
markanthony069 1 month ago
fucked up music
simon472sthlm 1 month ago
schlechtes Wing Tsun und schlechtes Tae Kwon do
RunfortheWin 1 month ago
wing chun and judo/bjj is an amazing combination as wing chun allows you to get in close and knock the opponent with lightning fast punches , then when you get in on the inside you execute a judo throw/takedown and finish on the ground , believe me ive been in this situation before
gonefishingstudios 1 month ago
MSE is very good ti is a mix of kraftmaga and wing tsun
Chill3erD3luxe 1 month ago
the second guy is a karateca, im liked the video =P
NoxPectrum 2 months ago
Thumbs up if you muted the shitty music
pinkeyepork 2 months ago
no offense, but the wingchun guy shouldve been disqualified for the low blow.
engenuine 2 months ago
quello che fa taekwondo è meglio che si ritiri da questo sport, doveva tenere il tizio del wing chun a distanza con calci e pugni, con tranvate secche che lo suonavano come una campana. invece non faceva niente andava sulla corta distanza facendo il gioco del wing chun e prendendo anche un calcio sulle palle come ciliegina sulla torta. manco fosse quello del wing chun il doppio di lui. solo così si tiene a bada il wing chun con le tecniche del taekwondo.
parioli123 2 months ago
£100 says that wing chun guy would run a mile if a Gracie entered that competition!
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS
This Wing Chun Guy also trains with Carlson Gracie BJJ.
kaiya2 3 months ago
@kaiya2
OK. But I still bet that back then in 1995 he would have ran a mile!
Just kidding bro! I think wing chun and BJJ work together extremely well by the way.
So is William Cheung his wing chun teacher?
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS
I meant Samuel Kwok, not William Cheung.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS
Yes William Cheung is his wing chun teacher.
kaiya2 3 months ago
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lucidmist 1 month ago
Fake bad taekwondo, not enough speed and determination. You have to understand that a good wing chun practicer is nearly invincible in close fighting because of his speed, so you have to keep him away, don't try to just touch him, don't hesitate, strike strongly and speedly with your legs, medium and high kicks, above all low kicks (weak defense on it in wing chun) don't let him come closer.
MrChatounet 6 days ago
Nice! Very very good wing chun! Nive chain punches! But, maybe just a ill more parrying and blocking.
masteropuppets100 3 months ago
wow that tae kwon do guy didnt gave a clue what to do about all those punches, before i watched this video, my bets were on tae Kwon Do
DarthScosha 3 months ago
@DarthScosha
The small space is a major problem for the TKD guy. Its not really fair on him to fight in such a small space and to lose points for stepping out side the square. It favours close in styles like wing chun or BJJ/grappling.
The longer range fighters like TKD or kick boxers will find it harder than the guys whos style is to get in close.
I think this fighting area is stupid. Put them in a cage instead.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS But at the same time most the time you fight you're going to be in a small area. Not common to get into a fist fight in a friendly neighborhood park. More common in a bar, in an alley, and all that stuff. Understand if you give more room, it's the same as saying it favors a longer range style.
But it's not the styles fault, it's the strategist. The TKD guy could have just as easily moved any direction other than backwards. But TKD generally teachers only forward and back.
sangtawon 3 months ago
@sangtawon
The small area isnt the only problem, or even the biggest problem(maybe), its the fact that if you step out side of the square, you lose a point. Thats incredibly stupid and unrealistic, and again, favours the close quarter fighters like wing chun or BJJ. If there was a cage then it would eliminate a lot of bullshit and make it a more fair and realistic fight.
The cage represents a room. What does a little square with no walls represent? Fighting on a high rise building roof? LOL
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@sangtawon
Yeah, most of the time, you fight in a small area, but the fight doesnt end when you touch the walls - you carry on fighting! Its just asking for the wing chun guys to exploit it with their chain punches.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS So you are complaining that one guy has chain punches when the other guy could just as easily do chain punches back, or do repetative kicks? TKD people have done that too me. The TKD guy just wasn't aggressive.
If you want to buy them a ring, by all means do it. Otherwise it's not getting there.
The tape, it's just awarness. Everyone who competes has to be aware of the tape. Really it's the TKD guys fault for not being aware of where tape is, meaning he's not aware of his -
sangtawon 3 months ago
@sangtawon
Still not realistic and its still an exploit to score points.
Chain punches are much easier to do than TKD kicks...and theyre MUCH faster too, meaning the exploit is easier to pull off for the wing chun guy.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS You do understand that TKD specific matches at TKD tournements follow these same rules with a tape marked arena right? They jsut dont allow as much hand motion. So the tape is still there, stepping out gets you marked down.
I do like the fact that you're not bashing Wing Chun though. Old TKD people I know hate it, say it's the most worthless thing ever and will never be effective for anything. So thank you for not doing that lol.
sangtawon 3 months ago
@sangtawon
LOL Well Im not much of a TKD fan to be honest. I dont know enough about it to be a fan.
Im an huuuuuuuge MMA/JKD fan though and practice BJJ as a hobby.
Im also a fan of Wing Chun too so Im not going to bash it.
I have to admit that I dont like everything about Wing Chun though. But then again, theres always something I dont like about EVERY art. No art is perfect, right!?
So Im guessing Wing Chun dominates TKD in the majority of these competitions?
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS I didn't like TKD. I learned it from different teachers for years but it was never for me. Now a days it's not as effective because of their focus. It's in the style to do more, but they put their focus purely on their tournament rules.
I would find stuff I didn't like about wing chun. I would try so hard to deny them. But whenever I sparred, I'd find myself doing them and it being effective no matter how much I didn't want it to be.
sangtawon 3 months ago
@sangtawon So the things about Wing Chun that you DIDNT like, you later found out that they were actually effective?
Interesting....
Theres quite a lot I dont like about Wing Chun when I list them all but Im still a fan of the art.
Things I dont like are -
- Fighting stance(hand position) is weak to a boxers offence/counters
- Has no real clinch/grappling fighting
- Low kick defence uses hands(bad IMO)
- Lack of kicks and hook type punches
Again, these are just my observations and Im a noob.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS Well just some corrections.
-The hand positioning is actually to force you to throw a hook because a straight punch moves faster.
-The grabbing, we do in every motion. You see more drastic grabs typically if we get close enough, we'll put you in a head lock and throw you or something.
- We are taught never to use hands for anything below the waiste. Legs guard lower half, hands upper.
-We dont like to hook because they don't have our body's weight behind it, just thrown into it.
sangtawon 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS Also the idea is the more you kick, the less balance you have because the more you're on one foot. The higher the kick, the worst your balance and the more vulnerable you are. We kick low because it is also much harder to see comeing while in close in fighting, and shin kicks hurt. Also they kick into sensitive areas as well in the legs.
sangtawon 3 months ago
@sangtawon
I dont really know enough of Wing Chun to form a REAL opinion on it or to really give my thoughts on its weaknesses. But I still stand by some of those things like the hand position. I think its quite dangerous against a boxer. It looks cool though!
I would like to learn Wing Chun, and then I could give a better opinion on it.
Again, Im just a average Wing Chun fan so my opinion is probably completely wrong.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS In the end I accepted the ideas I tried to deny. And now adays I see little to no issue. I don't do pure WC though. I mix primarily Bak Mei into it which is so similar that the main difference is the occassional committed move, and my back isn't so stiff allowing more power from rising and sinking.
sangtawon 3 months ago
@sangtawon
Thats interesting too. So let me get this right, you find you get more power from having a less stiff back(curved spine?)?
I ask because I was having a small debate with another wing chun guy who used an example of straight building being more stable than a leaning building.
I argued that, although I see his point, the human body is NOTHING like a building. Muscles act in real time, unlike structure beams of a building.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@sangtawon [CONTINUED....]
I argued that there ARE times when a bent back gives more power, speed and stability etc etc than a stiff, straight back does.
Of course I recognize that a straight back is needed in a lot of cases....but so is a bent back needed in some cases.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS curved like a boxer or a jkd practitioner. Flexibility allows for corrections. I do it because of bak mei, we use the rising to assist in power in uprooting opponents, and when sinking we curve our spine and throw out or shoulders to strike with more force.
To me it helps me with my balance more personally, and not all WC fighters follow a straight back.
Remember most martial arts you see on youtube isn't really good, and doesn't represent the art itself.
sangtawon 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS surroundings.
In wing chun we get yelled at for not being aware. Why? What if theres another person? WHat if they're attacking? What if you trip? It's all situational awareness which the TKD just doesnt seem to teach (I've done both). The chain punches, you can't complain. That would be like me complaining that TKD kicks me in the head when Wing Chun doesnt.
In a real fight, it doesnt stop no. They trip and lose balance and focus though. Also in a real fight elbows are allowed,-
sangtawon 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS as well as eye gauges, throat jabs, nut shots as much as you want, joint breaks, and all that stuff. This doesnt test only their full fighting ability, but part of it, their situational awareness, and their ability to work with limitations.
It may be second nature to throw an elbow for some, but do that here and you'd be disqualified.
sangtawon 3 months ago
@sangtawon
I suppose that makes sense. But still, its far more practical to fight in a cage IMO.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS My point is, TKD can chase back just as easily. It's up to the individuals experience, and the aggressivness of the attacker as to whether or not it works though.
In TKD people chased me back. I simply learned to charge forward instead like this guy. It's just fighting strategy. He could have just as easily moved away at 45 degrees. Issue is he isn't used to running away at that angle which is one of the only ways to get away from a wall anyways against someone good at close combat
sangtawon 3 months ago
@sangtawon
Charging forward with chain punches IS the right strategy in this fighting arena. But come on, its an exploit!
I just dont think these competitions(fighting area) suits TKD at all. They would be better off in a cage/ring/room fighting against a wing chun guy.
Oh well, Im gonna shut up about it now LOL
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS On a side note, it's not really even a technique just what we'er taught to do. We're taught to always apply forward pressure and close the gap where TKD is taught always to maintain the gap and typically keep distance. If you dont put anything in front, we punch. If we have no contact, we punch. You make contact, we move it, and punch. Just the strategy.
So it was more who could use their strategy more effectivly. They both simply did what they were taught.
sangtawon 3 months ago
@sangtawon
Yeah, I like that about Wing Chun. I think Wing Chun is much better suited to these tournaments and rules.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS Also cages can be expensive... It's much cheaper to put tape on the floor... At least say make a bigger square...
sangtawon 3 months ago
@sangtawon
I basically already said it would be better to make a bigger square as I said its unfair for long range fighters to fight in such a small square. ALL the wing chun guy has to do is push forward with chain punches(he doesnt even have to land any....just scare the TKD into stepping back out side of the square!! - its BULLSHIT and unrealistic)
There should be a cage so cheap and unrealistic tactics like that are eliminated.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@sangtawon
Cages are expensive, but are necessary IMO to eliminate a lot of the bullshit seen in these competitions.
It just isnt fair or realistic. Even a boxing ring would be OK.
Anything but that bullshit tape on the floor/step outside and lose a point bullshit.
Im not biased either because Im a close-in fighter myself.(BJJ and a bit of wing chun)
I just dont like seeing bullshit.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
Ouch, right in the dick.
TheTerrorUforgot 4 months ago
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@randy42658 We can't really expect a world champ in Wing Chun to fight a Korean military champ, now can we?
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TheTerrorUforgot 4 months ago
black guy looks like a histeric woman xD
marek0123456789 4 months ago
funny :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
tuzgureanu1 4 months ago
3:17 WC guy chain punches would have KO'd TKD guy, but he withdrew cause its a trouney
DJImagine82 4 months ago
Yo wtf did he just kick the TKD guy in the balls?
MurderingMango 4 months ago
@randy42658 it worked didnt it?
Shuukyou 4 months ago
@randy42658 at least he won
quinatu 4 months ago
wing chun is more flexible, you can move ur punch, ur kick, and every move that you want..
randy42658 4 months ago
yes, that's right, i think that taekwondo has too much rules, we can't make our own moves, everything has been set
randy42658 4 months ago
do they know the tuit chagi?????THOSE TAEKWONDO PLAYERS SUCK!!
T3rr1bL3xD 5 months ago
I'm a black belt in taekwondo. What I don't like about Taekwondo is you are locked in one style. The Chinese Martial, Wing Chun, Jeet Kune do and Kung fu, you can do any style that works for you. You can play dead and your oponent will lose their guard.
YTMike2010 5 months ago
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YTMike2010 5 months ago
I think the WC guy xas a squirrel in previous life... he seems to always try to catch the nuts :3
More seriously he seems to be a really good fighter.
Misterdde22 5 months ago
if i say the music is ultra ridiculous, it would still be an understatement
mshab47 5 months ago
i like that dude's style... i would kick you in the nutts too
BALDwGLASSES 5 months ago
I've been doing TKD for about 20 years but I love WC. The thing is, sparring in TKD is extremely difficult as we hit full power, which is not allowed here. So obviously a kick hurts more than a punch, but if you are not free to kick with power and speed, this allows the opponent to come closer, as it is also easier to control punches than kicks. But i truly believe that a good fighter with a mix of these 2 styles would be deadly.
psykojay80 5 months ago
wing chun rifa
zaul51 5 months ago
Not too long ago nut kicks were allowed actually
sangtawon 6 months ago
kicking people in the nuts??? what a baddy
jest0rcap 6 months ago
out..front kick to the nuts..
luxiniv320 6 months ago
wing tsun/chun FTW !! :D
streetplayer1987 6 months ago
catfight.
failscape143 6 months ago
1st dude got owned. hes not used to the punches. 2nd guy was making fun but after the match, i think it changed his mind. i'm a amateur tkd practicioner but a big fan of wing chun. you can see the wing chun guy do some stop kicks on the tdk guy also he was busy not getting punched in the face to throw kicks. sparring is not as easy as it looks, u guys have to realize the opponent is constantly moving. its speed and motion.
TheBlackstar82 6 months ago
That TKD dude is also terrible as hell.
Wing Chun is effective though, more effective than TKD imo, but it all depends on the fighter, not the style
Wrathos 6 months ago
dude thats wi chun, i dont no but ipman wi chun is different then dis shit
HmongZboy 6 months ago
@HmongZboy that was a movie...
ataraxic89 6 months ago
Lol at people being fanboys of different styles which they probably practice no style.
ZiyusTV 6 months ago
methinks those hippies needs to cuts them hair
discoowl 7 months ago
Just for information, you now can see only original Wingchun in Vietnam and some part of China. I have never been to China but i have been to Vietnam 3 months to learn WC. The fighter there are quite stiff. Unfortunately, they practise WC just to maintain it so they dont have extensive school of WC, just i sifu with a few students the whole life. They are some kinds of underground raper. There is a man there named Sinh who was 70 years old but still can take an US marine down in 15 secs!
kakukeable 7 months ago
by the way, it is not original Wingchun as well. it looks the same as the fist from HongKong that they added some new moves to the original Wingchun and made it more flexible. If you say that a real TKD would defeat that Wungchun fighter then i can state that a real Wingchun fighter will take those men down in 3 mins. So it is not about the fists, it is about the abilities of the fighter and how hard they are. Stop discussing that way man
kakukeable 7 months ago
The reason for those TKD fighter who were not doing correct kicks because they are fighting with a Wingchin fighter. To perform those kicks, you need a distance from your body to the opponent. However, the principle of Wingchun is to get close contact and using hand the most to defeat opponent, legs are for you to stand stably, normally Wingchun has only low kick or kick using knee. So you could see that no kick can touch that Wingchun fighter because he get close to his opponent all the times
kakukeable 7 months ago
this guy hasn't sparred before in his life, if he went up for a head shot the wing chun guy wouldn't have blocked well enought
TalentedAnthroFreak 7 months ago
This is not real Taekwondo... The real Taekowndo would win against wing chun...
TheGuitarplayer1997 7 months ago
@TheGuitarplayer1997 I don't think you can really say one style will beat another, it would depend on the individual more than anything
jjjaaaccckkk 7 months ago
@jjjaaaccckkk i dont say that one style will beat another one, i say that tkd would win against wing chun :D
TheGuitarplayer1997 6 months ago
Tkd???? i didnt see some correct kick.
ravernow 7 months ago
Tae Kwon Do被Wing Chun 虐待了-.-
adsl2912117 7 months ago
WING CHUN 4EVA!!!!!!!!!!
TheMeowDude 7 months ago 5
desde tiempos ancestrales una tecnica que es muy eficas es la simple y llama patada a las partes bajas, asi de simple
negvich 7 months ago
You dont see many Wing Chun people kicked in the groin. Learn to protect center lie Tae Kwon Do.Wing Chun Winner. Bull shit draw
Daddyo94521 7 months ago
LOL this tkd guy is a black belt? My seniors can do much better. This isn't real tkd, if you guys take this as a serious comparison then you probably have no knowledge in martial arts.
xBlueWinter 7 months ago
3:18 !!!!!!! excelente!
patoruzex 8 months ago
I like the aggressiveness of the WC fighter, the first TKD fighter was lacking of it, the second one was more aggressive, anyway, I expect a lot more of power from TKD.
JaimeTheOne 8 months ago
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john91269 8 months ago
I do not know if this is a light sparring, but I think the hits are not coming in with power. It's just a guess.
Brunothetigerheart 8 months ago
@Brunothetigerheart A principle of Wing Tzun, Wing Chun or Wing Tsun is that you don't need much power when you punch in weak parts located in the middle line
bigmanpigman 8 months ago
It sucks, that many people think that tkd is bad because they saw the fights here in youtube, but the tkd fighter fight only after the fight rules. But many people don't know what you all learn in tkd for street fights! TKD is one of the best Fightarts
TheGuitarplayer1997 8 months ago
@TheGuitarplayer1997 Wing Chun is BEST suited for Street fights more than anything. Famous practitioner Bruce Lee only did get into Street fighting and won EVERY single time against people who literally wanted to hurt him badly and agressively.
ForceRcnMarine 8 months ago
@ForceRcnMarine no no bruce lee have make a lot of fight arts not only wing chun!!! im sure in a street fight the tkd fighter would win, i think you have never seen the real TAEKWONDO !!!
TheGuitarplayer1997 8 months ago
@TheGuitarplayer1997 He practiced Wing Chun and his own lifestyle/ way of fighting Jeet kune Do. See sometimes i still think in a street fight its harder for a TKD fighter to get in his kicks especially when someone gets up in his face like this WC fighter did. A TKD needs distance. Dont get me wrong a TKD had great chances winning based on the fighter. But i think with WC its just that much easier. With those rapid punches what can the opponent do with him coming at him that fast.?
ForceRcnMarine 8 months ago
@ForceRcnMarine a tkd fighter dont need distance! there are many techniques in Taekwondo what you can use when your oppenent is near to you. and in tkd you also use your hands, not only your feet. in a street fight a tkd fighter can also punched his oppenet with his hand i the face !!! in tkd you learn a lot of techniques for the street, you don't know what a tkd fighter a learn in the training. A good tkd fighter is faster than a good wing tsun fighter, im sure! here in youtube are often
TheGuitarplayer1997 8 months ago
@ForceRcnMarine shown not so good fighters, so everybody think that TaeKwonDo is a bad fight art, but many didnt know the real power of tkd, it sucks ! the fighters in this video did not used the best techniques of tkd... they only have raise there feets, but they dont use the many tricks... You don't know the real TAEKWONDO !!!
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TheGuitarplayer1997 8 months ago
you also dont know,what is real wing chun!!!!! if u call the master tkd and master wing chun fight,you will know ,what is real wing chun.
jasonchow2 7 months ago
@jasonchow2 and you will know waht is real TaeKwonDo !!! :D
TheGuitarplayer1997 7 months ago
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@TheGuitarplayer1997 you also dont know,what is real wing chun!!!!! if u call the master tkd and master wing chun fight,you will know ,what is real wing chun.
jasonchow2 7 months ago
@ForceRcnMarine and you cannot compare bruce lee with a normal human. bruce lee was a legend!!!
TheGuitarplayer1997 8 months ago
@TheGuitarplayer1997 oh shut up i´m in wing chun and kicked as much teakwondo ass ,as you have seen on the street.^^
STARWOLF13MMO 8 months ago
@STARWOLF13MMO nur weil dir nix mehr einfällt und ich sozusagen bestätigt habe das taekwondo besser ist?!
TheGuitarplayer1997 8 months ago
wing chun's famous seed shot!
RapidSpark 9 months ago
wing chun is legit
rtardx 9 months ago
ha ha ha they have no idea what to make of him. .. . so cool
MichaelVarcade 9 months ago
2:52 epic O.O
Raulspain95 9 months ago
This proper & practical usage of wing chun vs other styles. Watch his defence, avoiding & counter attack.... Super quick reflex & accuracy! Hope to see him in more ALL styles fight categories :D
Swimin12dotcom 9 months ago
Im suprised at how the wing chun guy goes after him nonstop, usually in wing chun you sit back and wait
AsG1989 9 months ago
@AsG1989 TKD is a long range kicking style so you want to jam him, get inside his effective range and then his total lack of hand techniqies is exploited.
honorable108 9 months ago
Great wing chun, the ref killed it for me though.
Cruzifixer 9 months ago
The wing chun guy seems like holding back. He could be quicker and deadlier
MultiSuperdarren 9 months ago
@MultiSuperdarren Ofc, Wing Chun is brutal
darroni123 9 months ago
My boy is tha destoyer. He fucked them up.
judutchinski 9 months ago
Wing chun man "girl fighter" taekwondo fighter =low.. not real :)
attilu007 9 months ago
@attilu007 wing chun was invented buy a girl
KrAzyOaK 9 months ago
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ChefDank1 9 months ago
wing chun was created to defeat all shaolin styles and the rapid punches are called chain punches and that's wing chun's main attack. only a master of a martial art stands a chance but not much of one since all other styles try to look "cool" and wing chun is about straight to the point fighting... get over it.
ChefDank1 9 months ago
Why the Wing Tsun guy is backing of and not finishing the teakwondo guy in the first attack? Or maybe he just has more peaceful wt philosophy..
Haltzu93 9 months ago
Bruce lee does wing chun with his legs....
orochiThing 9 months ago
@orochiThing nope. what you see bruce lee do is an advanced, modernized and his own take on martial art as a whole. its called Jeet kune do.
TheTramsen 9 months ago
@TheTramsen was a joke...
orochiThing 9 months ago
ROFL.. low-blowed
789CandyEye 9 months ago
Wing Chun in my opinion dominates Taekwondo, WC is very close fighting while Taekwondo is as long as the users legs, soon as someone gets to close and the TKW user doesn't have room they're dominated.
JonathanKanada 9 months ago
Lol load. God dam phone.
L1MB091 10 months ago
The people who say WC is bad are usually the type of Macho supercunts who do karate and think it's a martial art. They can't handle a real discipline so they go do Japanese ballet instead. Excessive contact at a martial arts event? What a loaf of shit.
L1MB091 10 months ago
@L1MB091 So are you saying that Shaolin White Crane Kungfu is a ballet as well? Shaolin is kungfu. Shaolin White Crane is kungfu. Wing Chun is kungfu or..is it a ballet as well?
Think before you post supercunt. Karate descended from the Shaolin White Crane style and over time it was refined into a competent art by the Japanese and now it's one of the best in the world. What do you know of "real discipline"? Fail..
ShuyuKoukin 9 months ago
@ShuyuKoukin No, not descended. Copied by sight. Lol retard.
L1MB091 9 months ago
@L1MB091 lol its not a "copy" if it isnt the same doofus.
ShuyuKoukin 9 months ago
@ShuyuKoukin You know nothing of the history. Cease speaking to me.
L1MB091 9 months ago
@L1MB091 you know nothing, period. you're proving it right now. lol
ShuyuKoukin 9 months ago
wait I am confused, who was disqualified?
SpaceGhosty33 10 months ago
The Judges are retards. How the fk is that a draw + Disqualification? Both fighters couldn't land a single punch on the wing chun guy.
That just goes to show, martial arts for competition sucks in real combat. If a FIGHTING ART sucks at real combat, then it is useless for self defense which makes the martial art inherently useless.
EpicAthiest 10 months ago
i like wing chun alot but in these kinds of competitions it looks kinda sisy
chucker173 10 months ago
Kicked...in the penis. The tkd guy sucked. I've got blue belt juniors that spar better than that
SOCOMSoldier01 10 months ago
These TKD guys are probably not aware that there are hand techniques in TKD. They need to practice some traditional TKD instead of this sport shit.
gfvizc 10 months ago
Of course it is hard to defend when you have a guy trying to claw your eyes out and kicking you in the balls....
wtoe24 10 months ago
@wtoe24 If that guy had kicked me in the nuts, i'd have gotten right back up and busted his knee caps out and taken him to the floor and proceeded to beat his face into a pulp until the six refs pulled me off of him. I don't like getting hit in the dick
SOCOMSoldier01 10 months ago
@SOCOMSoldier01 go a head an try it the wing chun man beats your fucking ass
blacky79506 10 months ago
@blacky79506 They both fucking suck (Wing Chun guy and TKD guy). I've seen better from both styles. Sad thing is, it's probably not all their fault. It's their instructor's fault for instruction that inevitably lacks clarity and attention to detail thus leading to a mediocre student base. It used to make me angry to see stuff like this now it's just sad that people would put all of their effort into something to only have 50% of it returned by a crappy instructional staff.
SOCOMSoldier01 10 months ago
in wing chun you dont charge them until you have an opening after blocking, sadly tournaments and stuff have time limits and you have to avoid some of the wing chun stuff
AsG1989 10 months ago
total bs ive never seen power in wing chun. id like to see a knock out punch
Bluebalz 10 months ago
This is one of the only WC vs. other styles on the web that shows true WC applications. There is so much talk on the web about how bad WC is, which I of course do not believe.
kgershenson 10 months ago
@kgershenson It's true. I also train in Wing Chun and it's just that we as Wing Chun practitioners don't need to show off. It's in our art to not be competitive. We are a self defense art, not a competitive one.
FearedBliss 10 months ago
IS FOR THIS REASON THAT IS NOT GOOD IDEA TO MIX DIFERENT STYLES. EVERY STYLE WAS DESIGNED FOR DIFERENTS SPORT COMBAT SYSTEMS. TAEKWONDO IS SPORT COMBAT (IN THIS TIMES). AND WING CHUN IS MORE APROPIATED FOR THE STREETS AND SELF DEFENSE. IS LIKE TO PLUS APPLES & ORANGES!
jiufeilong 10 months ago
with all do respect i am a wing chun fan if thre is any such thing, but taekwon do is an even match since one is fighting from a certain distance hence using feet and the other on a close combat hence using mostly hands and one more thing the dude is only using one technique...honestly unimpressed by the wing chun guy
VikingNightmare 10 months ago
This is hapkido uniform not Taekwondo
manwudang 10 months ago
wing chun wan't designed for tournaments.it's designed to kill or beat assailants down to a broken bone.
miztachan 10 months ago
I hate point fighting. Especially with WC. Don't get me wrong the WC chain punching style can be extremely powerful but there is no way to tell until you see them actually hit somebody. Some straight blasters hit and some wave there arms around. Guys that could break bones look identical to guys that couldn't crack eggs. Aren't there some full contact WC tournaments out there? I'd pay good $ to see that.
rico925 10 months ago
Crap Wing Tsun, not explosive enough! not aggressive enough when he finds a hole. The TKD guys sucks as well.
I practice Wing Tsun myself
hunde123 10 months ago
@hunde123 you've been watchin 2 many movies mate
guns1312 10 months ago
I like wing chun, i you are good julian..we have a same name..that's my middle name..(Julian)
XsheL0207 10 months ago
good wing chun .
rainvillageheroe 10 months ago
It's soo obvious to know that Wing Tsun is for close range while Taekwondo is for distance.
I prefer Close range because it will win against Taekwondo...
KevinVang1000 11 months ago
send lesnar please haha :D
arifJackk 11 months ago
I cant stop watching this video, SIFU you totally rule!! <3
paralyzer1111 11 months ago
Wing Chun OWNS!! I train in it too!, look at the tae kwon do guy he has no idea how to defend or what to do
paralyzer1111 11 months ago
just couldn't protect their own balls couldn't they?
This fight scene is sooo cool!! The first time i've seen Wing Chun used without boxing gloves and pads in a tournament. Thank you for such an enlightening video.
kittybus3 11 months ago
@the0tobes0machine incase u don't know it's not allowed to hit full power punches in the tournament. if u read the earlier comment there he got disqualified in another match just because of that. these black belters were simply too slow
DonMega187 11 months ago
he uses the rapid attack in the wrong place and time
Unknowndable 11 months ago
I think that it is awesome that sifu used only the very basics of WC and easily beat these black belts. Sifu was never even touched near the face. They are luck sifu held back or they would be toast.
kgershenson 11 months ago
Hahahaha did that first round end with a nutshot?
vonillahead217 11 months ago
the first guy was wearing tkd dobok, second one, a karate gi (and he fought like someone trained in karate)
so
ubersum1 11 months ago
jejeje hasta una patada en las bolas
skinssin 11 months ago
1:15 Who needs years of martial arts training when you can just kick them in their baby maker.
pmgitsdaniel 11 months ago
this is why i wan't to learn wing chun! its so agressive!
kenseisato1989 11 months ago
No disrespect, but that tkd guy needs some practise.
ImIwilliamImI 1 year ago