With all the lead in Chinese crap products, the taikonauts (yuhangyuans), won't have a thing to worry about when traveling through the Van Allen radiation belt!
@JettlaGMusic err..its not that i dont believe in it..but ur question is very funny....the hundreds of people on see the rocket launch until the point they cant even see the rocket..they didnt even saw the rockey out of the atmostphere how can they saw the rocket on the moon....
We never went to the moon. Why? Because all the elements in the periodic table can be found in solar flares. That would include radioactive elements. Apollo 12 would have had to fly through solar flares for 12+ hours. That is impossible with our technology now so they couldn't have done it then. The level of radiation would have fried them like a hotdog in a microwave oven.
China go to the MOON?? bwahahaha, they need to learn how to fake their space walk videos better first, filming undewater = bad bad idea. xD. This whole space exploration thing is a huge joke now.
We've all seen the impeccable, footprint on the moon.
Given that the cameras were mounted to their chests and they had to waddle, not walk, because of the bulky spacesuits, how did they manage, first to MAKE the perfect footprint, and then to take a perfect, straight down picture of it.
Flag contains a rod to hold it out. Flag waves while the astronaut is screwing the pole in. Flag stops after that. The entire video of the 40 minute process of planting the flag on the moon is available.
@usamalali It's not wind, you idiot it's them moving it, the gravity on the moon is six times lighter that on earth, therefore it moves more when moved.
I cannot even be bothered to respond to that rubbish these days.
40 years of scientific review, tens of thousands of people involved. every word spoken by astronauts and ground teams minuted and timed, missions also tracked by British and Australian tracking stations manned by local post grads. Russians also tracked them and listened in on all transmissions. Thousands of journalists at Houston and the Cape...
..... yet some kid on YT says the flag is waving in the wind.
I lived for a time a few miles from Tidbinbilla. .. got to meet one or two that remembered the place in the late sixties. There was no great love lost between the youth of Australia back then and there was much bitterness over Vietnam. Tidbinbilla and the Parks radio telescope were manned mainly by Aussie post graduates and there is no way any of them went along with a hoax ... they were there for science and they were among the best minds in their field.
@556forlunch I've seen that and totally agree with you, how the astronauts manipulate the flag, therefore it waves, but there's a clip afterwards that shows the flag wave on its own without anyone touching it, just a simple astronaut passes by it. That is what throws me totally off and has till this day, not be explained by anyone.
@DanielJoseDiego Well I always say why have they never ever once gone back with all the technology they have now? Imagine the possibilities ? then I realise it was nothing but a huge hoax. Waving flag and many many more evidence points to that these people never set a foot on the moon.
@BlariX all those fake trips to the moon and our mortal enemies the Russians never bothered to say a thing.
Damn them.
Just as well we have the internet to show us the hoax after all these years.
Do you think that maybe China or Pakistan or Iran or North Korea, with the aid of a telescope could prove the US wrong and cause them to be massively embarrassed?
Yet they don't. They must be in on the conspiracy too.
@BlariX then there's also the reality that the government doesn't tell us EVERYTHING they're up to so, they might be up there as we speak. We just don't know, all we can do is speculate.
Stanley Kubrik was a brilliant film director. So what makes some kid on YT think he would miss a little detail like a flag waving on the moon? Not once but SIX times over 4 years!!!! For gods sake get an education and learn something about what you are babbling on about.
It is not me who suggests that. It was Kubrick's wife herself who pointed that thing out plus she claimed to have gotten hold of the documents concerning Kubrick's negotiations with the govt. Can you please see 1:25 ? you'll see truth glaring right into your very own face. After this landing Kubrick got to have two things: Immense budget, previously unseen in Kubrick movies, for his legendary 200:A space Odyssey and he got to film whatever he liked without content restrictions.
Effects back then were stupid. And this shooting shows that. There are videos all over the net showing freakin' wires which make them levitate. I can't make you see if you won't open your eyes. You can quote me on that. Education had got nothing to do with seeing a freakin joke happen and getting it.
@Draknfyre It is NOT the antenna. Antennas aren't that long and just watch a few videos of the wire and you'll undersrand the purpose of the wire. It's just an elastic shit which makes them bounce on the desert ground.
I don't know if you are an American or something, but I can't help you if you want to lie to yourself. bye. period.
It's not even worth arguing with you people anymore. The proof that they ARE on the moon far outweigh anything you can try to jump on to prove they aren't. The slightest thing that looks irregular to you, you jump on it and drive it into the ground as "proof" they didn't go. While ignoring the thousands of other things that prove they did.
@Draknfyre If you REALLY do go up there, that crazy fake looking shit does not happen at all. So, if something as basic as normal movement is not right in the footage, God knows what is!
Basic movement as you know it based on EARTH GRAVITY. On Jupiter, you would be killed instantly due to gravity, and pressure. On Europa, you could fly by flapping cardboard wings attached to your arms.
When you are in 1/3rd gravity on a moon with no atmosphere, movement is different.
Fearful people are hard to discuss things with rationally--they don't know what to accept and what to reject. They live in their own self-created hell of denial, because they secretly believe they deserve it. Sad.
All you people who enjoy technicalizing the c**p out of this, here's a clue: do you believe our government is always truthful with us? Once I know I've been lied to by someone, that ends the healthy relationship between us.
@buzzclick500 Hitler and Stalin lied a lot, but both their nations were at the front regarding several new technologies. That politicians lie, doesn't automatically mean they lie about everything or that their scientists can't accomplish fantastic things.
Leave the politics aside and look into the technology and science to determine if man has been on the Moon.
@YDDES : "Leave the politics aside and look into the technology and science....." I believe that's what the E.E.U. said to the Swedish government just before your country went under the socialist cloak......
@YDDES : The trouble is that once we KNOW they've lied, what do we believe from them after that? It makes US look stupid when we allow them to remain in office. To the outside viewer, THEY appear to be in charge from that point on. For almost 50 years, America has been a nation governed by falsehood and deceit, and it's OUR OWN fault.
@YDDES : Hitler and Stalin, for all we know, were more truthful with their own people than Rosefield(Roosevelt)and Truman were with US. Those two took a lot of chances with our national innocence and used it to do a lot of damage to people who had not harmed us.
@buzzclick500 "Stalin truthful with his own people"??? "PRAVDA" means truth. Few newspapers have been so full of lies. Hitler wasn't any better. Still, that has NOTHING to do with the facts that Germany built jet-fightersand launched V2 rockets, and Soviet sent the first satellite and the first man into space. It's not like Apollo was a secret project. Journalists from all over the world followed the program VERY close.
@YDDES : Are you familiar with the story "The Emperor's New Clothes"? It's amazing what people will work up to get the public's attention and money. The "news" is a business; they want those quarters in those boxes, and they want us in front of those t.v.s--no matter what they have to say or do to accomplish it.
@buzzclick500 OK, You are of course free to believe what You want, but ever since those Apollo-days and several decades later, I worked in the media business. Both with newspapers, magazines and radio/TV, so You don't have to lecture me about how it functions. A journalist or media company that exposes and publishes a big hoax, earns much more than those who just report what the "establishment" tells them.
And, there still is nothing that can stop lunar flights for those who can afford it.
@YDDES : I'm not even saying the moon landing DIDN'T happen, it's just that I know that our government and the POPULAR(vote-concerned) "information" distributors DO work together to TRY to control the general mass of the mentally weak and security-craving voting and spending sector of the population. The media people I know are like the Mafia: "Well, if we say it, it's based on careful research and factual investigation." Read 95% b.s. I'm being generous. ;])
@buzzclick500 OK, You are talking about USA, but I still say You exaggerate. Here in Sweden, journalists have great integrity (the absolute majority of them), and don't hesitate to write about the governments and even the kings mistakes and blunders. I don't believe for a second that any serious journalist would close his eyes and turn away if he/she suspected a lunar landing hoax. What a scoop it would be!
@YDDES : American "journalists" are serious about their paychecks, careers and standing with their employers. Modern-day royal scribes, if you will. Now that we got that out of the way, what else you want to talk about? ;])
@buzzclick500 Well, here, in this forum, I'll just try to educate the uneducated and gullible about mankinds greatests achivment: To leave the planet we have been confined to for billions of years, and, by our own intelligence and power, travel to another celestial body. As far as we know, we may be the first in the history of the Universe who have accomplished that.
Now it's midnight here, in Sweden, so I will say goodnight for today. Look up at the Moon. There's footsteps there...
@YDDES : This may strike you as ugly and tactless, but how do you think OUR news media felt about...oh, say, President Kennedy's assassination? Disappointed? Heartbroken? Devastated? I don't think so. They made more money in a week than in the previous 10 years combined. It's a business. "Meet John Doe" tells it all.
@buzzclick500, Yes. "The Emperor's New Clothes" story is relevant.
I would NEVER just "believe" the government. Just as I would never believe some joker with a set of YouTube videos & DVD's for sale who wants to promote his "hoax theory."
That's why I do the analysis myself on such things as the "there should have been a blast crater" argument. And I find every single such "theory" to be based on nonsense misunderstandings of physics.
In many cases the "hoax evidence" is outright fraud.
@nesokretep : Some guy named Cooper is rather well-known for that. I went through my Alex Jones "phase", then outgrew that. David Icke makes some good points, if you have the time to go through his voluminous production of material. I probably won't go out and make tons of money with MY observations, but I'm happy just knowing who's who and what's what, and that time and nature make their own changes. We're headed for a very good era.
yeah right, Hubble? Resolution is not anywhere near enough to clearly see anything... lunar lander descent stage would be a couple of pixels... you can calculate it yourself
It is staggering that so many people believe this moon landing crap when the fallacy of it so obvious and inescapable. For fucks sake you stupid unintelligent Americans wake the fuck up. Your government has been fooling you and the world for decades, and their last pathetic effort was on 11th Sept. 2001. And what are you doing about it? Watching digital TV and eating shit at McDonald's, thanking 'them' for protecting you sitting back and doing fuck-all. And paying tax.
@Chev4206 What are you, fifteen? It's amazing there are people who doubt that we went to the moon when it is so easily verifiable. You probably think the holocaust never happened and that 9/11 was an inside job and that chemtrails are real. What a joker. I know we went to the moon, for I have held moon rock in my hands that came from an old guy I once knew who worked directly with the astronauts during that time period. You can't tell me we didn't go. Asshole.
@Rob260259 Prove it. And I ( and millions of others ) will disprove it. Apollo was a joke and the entire world is laughing. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being patriotic to your country, which is exactly what ' they ' want. Question: how come there are an abundance of facts disclaiming the moon landing(s), pictures, anomalies, physical evidence, theories, reports etc and not one to prove they actually went there?
As I said; the evidence is in the public domain for decades. Specialists in aeronautics, aerospace, dynamics, radiology, astronomy, geology, mechanics, engineering, communications, physics, thermodynamics and astrophysics have acknowledged the landings on the Moon. Name a few credentialed people who support this ridiculous hoax belief.
@Rob260259 Calm down for fuck's sake!!! Where are the facts you fucking arsehole? Statements just state, say, iterate, infer, confer, confirm, oh I couldn't be bothered any longer. You don't comprehend it because you believe it's fuke, feke, fike, foke, fake (that's the one)!!! Public domain bullshit. What you read there has been put in place by the powers who have been and are controlling you. Wake up. Wake up. FFS
@Rob260259 Upset? Not in the least. I have better things to do than argue with some Dutch twat....... I have just checked out your YT channel. My god you are running a one-man crusade to defend the most corrupt and hated nation on earth. That's sad. My first language isn't English either. Now go back to kissing NASA's arse !!
@Rob260259 Nosi se u picku lepu materinu i pusi kurac !!! Insult me all you want. Words don't and can't hurt so continue embarrassing yourself. Just one question brain box: why doesn't NASA turn the Hubble telescope onto the moon and show the entire world the Apollo landing sites? It won't because there is nothing to see. It's much easier for them to focus on a spot in space 13000 million light years away and spin us a bullshit yarn about the origins of the universe. FUCK OFF and get real......
Still busy with your crusade? Read the answer from Eddie about resolution. And use that cable to educate yourself. Don't just shout "fake" because you don't understand things.
"Insult me all you want"
- there's really no need to insult you. Observing the things you write down here shows that you're doing a fine job on that yourself.
Yeah. Sure. The internet has not changed history. It has just given idiots a bigger soapbox to stand on.
I have to laugh at YouTube twoofers who think of themselves as some sort of 'truth patriots' yet they lack the knowledge to understand the science and engineering behind the Apollo program.
Real patriots are the astronauts. People who would slander them are just ass clowns.
@lotanerve Cause theres no Oil thereXP lols no but really idk there cutting spending on everything at all progressive and military funding is still almost 700 billion a year so w/e they do what they want now dispite what the people want.
@lotanerve I'm soory man but, all the evidence points other wise. For example, not a single one of the astronauts that claimed they went to the moon will not swear to it on the Bible. Also, the lander left absolutely no landing pit or crater which should have been definate, and the lander was sparkling clean with not a spec of moon dust. The Van Allen radiation belt would have surly killed them.. The list goes on..
@lotanerve Speculation? Are you saying the pictures are fake? Indeed they are fake.. Air brushing is evident in almost all of the pics NASA released to the public. Now quit trying to manipulate the people. Do you really want to be on the wrong side when the evil elite go down?
@kidjr27 Airbrushing videos??? You are so ignorant! What about some education instead of all that silly speculation about things You have no idea about?
@YDDES LOL. I think you sir should practice what you preach. I did do the home work. What did you do? Watch the tell-lie-vision PROGRAM and just believe what they told you.. Ask yourself, why will not a single one of them comment on any of the video that proves they lie? And why won't a single one of them swear on the bible? Because they know if they do and this corrupt leadership is replaced with righteous leadership, they are screwed. You truly are a lost brainwashed sheep. No offense.
@kidjr27 If a few ignorants would say they don't believe something I have done, I would take it as an insult if they asked me to swear on the Bible, and don't sink so low that I bothered to answer them. Aftel all, almost no educated scientists or technicians have ever doubted the lunar landings.
Furthermore: All "Hoax evidence videos" have been refuted over and over again.
I have lived through that era, have a HUGE amount of material from those days and know a LOT about movie SFX. They landed.
@YDDES : Do you realize the danger to our government if enough of the American people ever concluded that the moon landings were contrived and didn't actually happen? They're highly motivated to continue with the story and make it stick, no matter what they have to do to accomplish that. Never mind the French Revolution, we're talking about Washington, D.C. looking like Mogadishu.
@buzzclick500 Well, You may be right about the politics, but that doesn't change fact: I've studied the moonlandings for decades, and there's nothing substantial that talks aginst them, but everything points to the conclusion that they happened as said.
You'll have to look behind the politics and and misinterpreted pictures, and look deeply into the technology and science. No doubt, man has walked on the Moon. We may be the sole species in Universe that has travelled to another celestial body.
@kidjr27 : Good comment. Our society's already cracking around the edges from the intense flow of lies and hardly-veiled arrogance of our politicians. What they fear most WILL come upon them.
@kidjr27 Why would they take an oath on the Bible, for people who will then simply say "they lied on the Bible"? The engines were barely turning over on landing; that bit of dust over hardpan had no reason to get a crater dug in it. And the dust had no reason, in no atmosphere, to blow around, upward. it would have to pass through the bottom of the LM to get upward! And James Van Allen disagrees with you. Stay in the thick a month,you're dead. Through the thin part in an hour? You're fine.
@kidjr27 -- How many pictures of the lunar landings have you seen? A few published in magazines or online maybe? There are thousands of original photos. And no, they do not show signs if "airbrushing."
And how the hell would you expect an exhaust with a static pressure of only 1 1/2 pounds per square inch to leave a "blast crater"? That is the original "moon hoax" claim and it is just about the most idiotic.
(And no, I do NOT "believe" NASA. I do the math myself. You can too.)
@nesokretep : Mythbusters showed an astronaut doll being CRUSHED in a vacuum chamber--that didn't look right, so I watched a video of some Peeps in a bell jar in a classroom as the air was removed. The Peeps EXPANDED dramatically. We live in a world in which some people work frantically and intensely to push THEIR version of things, and say, "THAT'S the way it IS!!" And you know something? It's getting really, really *&^#@$%%^ old.
@buzzclick500 -- Is the Mythbusters video of the doll being 'crushed" online anywhere?
Depending on the construction of the doll, it could very well look like it was "crushed" because the air was being pumped out of it, if it was not sealed. Just because another doll behaved differently does not mean the first video was "fake." Without knowing anything specifically about the differences between them, it merely means they are different.
@nesokretep : I understand. For me, it's enough to know that my government(whose salaries I contribute to)WILL lie to me if it suits their purpose(s).The showdown is imminent, and they will be walked out of office. Quietly, calmly, firmly and confidently. Then we'll simply hire(elect)new public servants.
@nesokretep : What makes you think it's a waste of time? I LOVE it. Interactive conversation with a worldwide forum on any subject--the modern version of Radio Free Europe, with bells and whistles. ;])
@buzzclick500 -- Oh, I know. World wide conversations are good.
But there are other things I really need to be doing for my family and I need to be away from the internet more.
(Oh, and I don't have much confidence in the next bunch of idiots that will get elected to office. Things like the control of the banking system are so intrenched in the system that it is going to be awfully hard if not impossible to get them changed.)
@musicbruv : Then why did the Peeps(sugar foam)expand when the air was withdrawn from the bell jar in the science class video? Mythbusters is a show designed to ENTERTAIN a certain type of people--I won't go deeply into that.
@buzzclick500 Maybe because the air was trapped inside the peeps like a balloon, if the air can get out then it will deflate, if it cannot it will expand....simple
@musicbruv : Ya think maybe we're overworking this subject a tad much? With me, it's a matter of knowing that my government DOES lie to us, and the bigger and more impressive lie they can put over, the better, as far as they're concerned. The showdown IS imminent.
@buzzclick500 Goverments lie that is fact but to suggest that Apollo was a a lie is preposterous, countries all over the world were involved in some way with Apollo either by assisting or monitoring, scientist from all over the world have examained moon rock and confirm they are from the moon, it could not possibly be a lie that would simply be impossible to acheive.
@musicbruv : I didn't say it DIDN'T happen, but there's room for doubt BECAUSE of our government's habit of lying to us frequently. "If you're going to tell a lie, tell one so big that no one would believe that you'd lie about such a thing."
@musicbruv : Older, more homogenous nations are in fact better-informed than we are. We're 250 years old as a declared nation--we don't know who we are yet, and can be told pretty much anything. It never occurs to most Americans that being independently-minded and reaching our own conclusions might actually require the effort of personal research and the pain of popular rejection, so we tend to buckle under to common mythology in order to stay safe.
@buzzclick500 -- Yes. Governments lie. That can be taken as a given. The American government lies about a great many things that are far more important than anything in NASA's realm.
Understanding the reality of the Apollo program has two areas of importance:
(1) NOT because "America is great" in some irrational patriotic way. But it is an example of the possibilities of human accomplishment.
(2) but more importantly, as an exercise in rational thought.
@nesokretep : No nation is great. They all have their brave geniuses, and the rest of their populations simply enjoy the products of their intensely-focused thoughts and efforts. There are about 1,000 people in America who actually have good ideas and know what they're doing. The rest of us just enjoy the benefits of it. I'm a political and military genius; it's probably fortunate for a lot of people that our government has no need or desire for my talents at the moment.
@nesokretep : Not out loud in front of anyone, anyway. Edison and Tesla knew perfectly well that they were geniuses--wasn't any need to broadcast the fact verbally. It showed in their products.
@nesokretep : North Korea is a good example of a genius mentality. They don't yell rhetoric, or threaten. They just let people know quietly what they have, and if our government continues to harass and threaten THEM, then one day Seattle, San Francisco or Los Angeles simply won't be there anymore. And there's not a damned thing we'll be able to do about it.
(2) continued ... the arguments around the Apollo subject can be analyzed rationally and independently. Many of them do not depend on "believing" NASA or experts or anyone else at all. And when almost all of the "hoax evidence" is looked at objectively, it is found to be nonsense. Much of it can be proven to be fraudulent.
And almost all of it, when the actual principles of physics are understood (such as in one example of the motion of the dust & astronauts) is actually evidence it was real
It is important to not base conclusions on suppositions.
Such as "if the U.S. had atomic weapons, then it would not worry about others having atomic weapons"
That is nonsense.
That is the same as saying, I don't care if someone may be standing across the street and pointing a gun at me. I have a gun. After he kills me or my family, I am perfectly capable of trying to find out who he was and go shoot him.
@nesokretep : Anyone, bright or even not very bright, can read your comments and responses and see that you only do this for fun. As trolls go, you're about a Level 1--not really bad enough to be tossed into the abyss, just acting confused in order to get attention.
@buzzclick500 -- On the contrary, if you would like to actually debate any of the actual facts of the Apollo evidence (the subject of this video) we can do that. I have, in fact, analyzed a great deal of the so-called "hoax evidence" and it can be proven to be nonsense.
There are no arguments on the "hoax theory" side which stand up to an objective understanding of physics. They are all either nonsense or suppositions, or both.
(I doubt you'll want to debate actual facts, though)
@buzzclick500 -- And I am not "acting confused" about anything.
I am pointing out the stupidity of some of your arguments.
You hinted that you didn't think the U.S. has any atomic weapons. And you provided as evidence of this that if it had atomic weapons, it would not be concerned about other countries having atomic weapons.
Do you honestly not understand how insane that is?
@nesokretep : I believe(I don't know it for a fact, because I wasn't there)that there was much less nonsense going on publicly when Americans wore guns openly, and yet, there WAS mutual respect and a degree of honor. Those who carried NO weapons were perceived by the majority of society as: cowards; very educated; members of the clergy, or just plain stupid. The world is just an expansion of that mass perception.
If you are arguing that the U.S. has no atomic weapons because otherwise it would not be concerned about others having them then YOU are saying that a nation SHOULD say:
"Oh, it's OK if we lose a couple million people and a city or two. We can always go and kill a couple million people in retalliation."
Do you understand why this is necessarilly the argument of your position?
You are not just supporting mutual destruction as a policy, you saying that killing millions is nothing to worry about
@nesokretep : I'm not saying what we should or should not do, what I'm saying is that we fight wars with the DECLARED intention of prevailing and accomplishing victory, but we DON'T do what would seal and verify that declaration. We just torture other nations for decades with conventional weapons, simultaneously bleeding our own economy and national morale to death.
@buzzclick500 -- So your position is that instead of attempting to control a country and killing thousands and thousands of innocent people in so doing...
YOU think it would be much BETTER to wipe out ALL of their people, regardless of "innocent" or "guilty" or "good" or "bad." It makes no difference if any of them would be friendly to you or otherwise, you would just burn them all and be done with it.
@nesokretep : I think, ultimately, that Americans might try minding our own national business for a change, just to see what happens. We have unlimited resources. First priority: shred the Truman Doctrine.
@buzzclick500 -- Or, at the very least, you are saying that wiping out ALL of the innocent people in a country is "better" than only killing SOME of the innocent people in a country.
You are not stating in words what we "should or should not do." But if you understand logic (which you apparently do not) you understand that there is a logical conclusion from your assumptions:
- IF you assume that a country definitely "would" use atomic weapons if it had them;
- AND you conclude that they do not have them because they do not use them;
- THEN you eliminate all other possible reasons for not using them.
AND your only logical conclusion is widespread use of them is "good."
@nesokretep : In 1996, the Washington Post Weekly stated that Israel possessed 10,000 nuclear warheads. What is your opinion of that? Knowing the "news" media as I do, I believe it's total nonsense, designed to intimidate anyone who reads and believes it.
@buzzclick500 -- I have never heard of anyone saying Israel had "10,000 nuclear warheads" and I would consider such a statement to be most likely an ignorant mistake rather than "designed to intimidate" because such a high number for Isreal has very little value in intimidating anyone.
I have heard estimates anywhere from 50 to 500 nuclear devices owned by Israel. Anything beyond that number is relatively meaningless.
@nesokretep : You can't actually engage in objective logic, because it's obvious that you harbor a fear of some kind of personal loss for yourself should somebody decide to detonate one. Not specifically a character flaw, per se, but a spiritual weakness. You're not interested in "millions of people", you're interested in YOU, and it's hard to blame you for that.
@nesokretep : There's not a thing wrong with your logic; it's based on personal interest and what's good for YOU. You don't want to be vaporized--that's as worthy a goal as any I can think of. I can sympathize with it.
@buzzclick500 -- You have no foundation for your assumption.
It's interesting how much people like you make things up. There is nothing in my statement which indicates "personal interest." So that aspect of it is irrelevant, regardless of whether it exists or not.
My statement stands on its own. You may either object to it or accept it.
If you object to my conclusion, you must find fault with my logic.
As it stands, it shows that you don't care if the U.S. wipes out millions of people.
@nesokretep : "You have no foundation for your assumption." Yes....Satan said that to Jesus Christ on more than one occasion, also. I think you and I are done here. I'm holding my silver crucifix up to the computer screen now--see how it glitters and sparkles? ;])
@buzzclick500 -- Yes. Of course you can run away if you want to. In fact, it's perfectly understandable under the circumstances.
I just find it interesting that you accuse me of "not caring about millions of people" when YOU are the one who made the statement which indicates that you don't care about those same millions.
The only thing I did was to point it out.
... or, would you like to explain the error in my logic?
Oh. Excuse me. You already expressly stated that my logic was correct.
@buzzclick500 -- And I'm also just a bit curious to hear how you know Satan made that statement to Jesus Christ. Did your buddy Satan tell you he said that to Jesus? I don't recall any statement about an "assumption" anywhere in the Bible.
Oh well ... it figures that a person who admits (twice) that he doesn't care about millions of people would have an in with the devil.
@nesokretep You assume to much. I have read more books than there are in most librarys. You can't judge a person you don't know. You shouldn't judge at all. The story is long and time wasting. But here is something for you to ponder. The answer to the elites problem which was "how can we reach every person in the world to brainwash them", was the tell-lie-vision. They could do whatever and the sheep would follow. Anex-KGB had said it was China who gave us the tech. TV+school+work= Brainwashed
@kidjr27 -- Wrong. I don't 'assume" a thing. That is why I asked about the pictures.
And it does not matter how many books you have read if you did not understand them.
And if you think "there should have been a blast crater" then you simply have not bothered to do the math on the necessary pressure from the exhaust nozzle.
How would a pressure of only 1 1/5 pounds per square inch create a "blast crater?"
It would blow away some surface dust. And it clearly did that.
@nesokretep You are so full of shit.. I'll give you some numbers to do pal.. Blow it out your blow hole. You sir are a bullshit artist.. Let me ask you this.. What happened to the Columbia shuttle?
@kidjr27 -- If you actually know that I am "full of shit" then it should be easy for you to prove it by correcting my numbers. So if you understand the subject and you want to "give [me] some numbers", then go ahead and do it for real.
If you do not understand the subject and you want to understand, then we can discuss it.
;
But if you don't understand the subject, and you just want to throw accusations around to make yourself feel good, then you're the one who is full of shit.
@nesokretep I think we can both agree to disagree.. I hope you see the real picture soon my fellow human. This issue of the moon landing is just one piece of a very large pie.. I don't think you and I are on the same brain frequency.. Because if you can't see that they lied about taking a rocket and landing it on the moon, you will definately have a very difficult time swallowing my other more outrageous pieces of pie but, it's truth none the less. For ex, what if I said Obama wasn't born here..
@kidjr27 -- These are well established historical facts: Ford built industrial manfucaturing plants in Nazi Germany; the Federal Reserve, through fractional reserve banking, creates money out of thin air (every Econ student knows this); FNMA basically controls the banking industry and has a strangle-hold on the economy; FNMA is a government-sponsored enterprise; the U.S. Constitution does not provide for government-sponsored enterprises; the U.S. involvement in Libya is unconstitutional.
@kidjr27 Allow me. Instead of just complaining on the US goverment (all governments have their shortcomings), please tell me why the scientists and technicians couldn't send men to the Moon. They have
sent a lot of probes to the Moon and hundreds of people out in space. Why not people to the Moon?
The Soviet leaders lied constantly, but their scientists managed to launch the first satellite, the first moonprobe and the first man into space.
@kidjr27 -- Whether or not Obama was born here is no more than a distraction at this point. The REAL question is why people who consider themselves to be "liberal" (which traditionally meant in favor of individual human rights ... re. Thomas Jefferson) allow such a thing as an unconstitutional dictatorial use of the military in a place like Libya.
The ANSWER is that people allow themselves to be taken in by distractions.
The "hoax theory" of the Apollo project is such a distraction.
@kidjr27 -- If people are willing to run around saying "that was fake" just because some piece of shit web site says "there should have been a blast crater" without understanding if there ACTUALLY should have been a blast crater (all it takes is some very simple math to see that it really was only 1.5 psi pressure) then they are in no position to be able to find out the actual truth about more important issues that affect the lives of millions of people.
@nesokretep Actually it is that simple. The news is owned by satanic beings. One lie leads to a million lies and these scum have new lies all the time. Thing is, they don't care. Look at the chemtrail issue.. They got people so brainwashed that they are still arguing over if they are real or not:-( It's like living in a nightmare wide awake while everyone else is sleeping. Think for one second what great knowledgable things could be on tv. And what do they put instead? Crime, war, hate, drugs
@kidjr27 -- Like I said ... if you are going to swallow such a simple lie as "there should have been a blast crater" without even being the least bit curious about whether or not there ACTUALLY should have been a blast crater, you are going to swallow any bit of nonsense that you think sounds good.
Many of the things you are saying are true.
Some may not be.
You'll never know.
You'll never even attempt to find out for yourself because you've given over to others your ability to think.
and sex.. They put fluoride, lithium, and other poisons in our water instead of vitamins and convince the people it's good for them.. Imagine the laugh the elite have behind closed doors. Kissinger said in 1982 that they will have the people buying water and invisible minutes. That statement seems normal now. NOBODY drinks tap water anymore unless your poor. And those poor people are poisoned the worst. But don't think bottled water is any better. It's probably worse. Lithium was found in bottle
@kidjr27 water along with human freaking feces.. So yes, I don't believe a single word they tell us. I hope in the very soon future that they won't be able to tell us a damn thing!
@kidjr27 I'm afraid You seem quite paranoid. Be careful, one of these days You may believe that the goverment, the "bad guys" or even everyone is out to get You.
@YDDES : The Swedish government is not yet brazenly arrogant and violent like our American government. The word "paranoid" actually means "aware of everything". Our government doesn't like people who exercise that asset; like God, for instance.
@buzzclick500 Yes, I know that the American government can be quite ruthless. G W Bush should have standed trial beside Saddam. Thousands of innocent Iraqis killed, the country robbed and destroyed on false ground.
But, the American scientists managed to send men to the Moon.
@YDDES : Someone decided amongst themselves about 80 years ago that America should be like Rome re-born in the present time, but they set the whole thing up on the false premise that the Romans were thoroughly evil people, and that the government and military should be worshipped as gods. Payback time for these people could be HOURS away--could be months, but it IS approaching. God bless the ones among them who repent; as for the rest....c'est la vie.
@YDDES : Actually, Saddam Hussein was like the "George Washington" of Iraq; our government has no tolerance for individuals who serve the interests of their nations well. It's not a difficult exercise in logic--if it's good, our government wants it GONE--in the slowest, most painful way possible(that's a clue). I am looking forward to seeing our present government walked out of office, and replaced.
This is the best way to look at it: The American government lies about everything. Everything it supposedly created or invented is fake.
There are no atomic bombs.
There are no super sonic jets.
Your laser mouse does not exist.
Apollo never went to the moon.
There is no GPS.
There is no satellite TV or satellite weather.
The Space Shuttle never went into orbit (there actually was a very active hoax-theory promoter on YouTube who was saying he poitively knew this to be the case.)
@nesokretep : "There are no atomic bombs." You're partially right; there are no atomic bombs in our government's possession. Governments don't invent anything--they BUY inventions, the more destructive, the better for them. Hey, it's not THEIR money anyway, right? Nobody's fooling anybody here, o.k?
@buzzclick500 -- No atomic bombs in our government's possession?
It's delusional lack of thinking like that which allows the government to do what it wants. If people would actually wake up and look at history, we would be in much better shape.
@nesokretep : In an era such as the one in which we live, people who think are held in disdain and disregard by those who don't. Rhetoric is rhetoric, and fact is fact. Being deceived is not an excuse; it's a voluntary attitude, and time and nature will address and correct it. As Henry Ford said, "History is mostly bunk." I agree with him.
Must be heart breaking for those brave astronauts who say its fake if you know anything about science then you will realise these pioneers are heros.
dilwich123 2 weeks ago
Where are the bloopers, stupid? That was just a video of a few silly moments of the NON-MOON walking around.
QuanticoSniper 1 month ago
They went to the moon cause they thought it was cheese, why would we go back now that we know its not cheese?
Fearicide1 1 month ago
With all the lead in Chinese crap products, the taikonauts (yuhangyuans), won't have a thing to worry about when traveling through the Van Allen radiation belt!
sjagain 2 months ago
If the moon landings were faked, how come we know that it is made of cheese?
Answer me that Einstein.
redtedinbed 2 months ago
Okay, nonbelievers.
Hundreds of people have seen rockets go to the moon live.
If they didn't go to the moon, then where did they go? :L
JettlaGMusic 5 months ago 2
@JettlaGMusic They orbited the Earth for several days
smasherhits 5 months ago
@JettlaGMusic err..its not that i dont believe in it..but ur question is very funny....the hundreds of people on see the rocket launch until the point they cant even see the rocket..they didnt even saw the rockey out of the atmostphere how can they saw the rocket on the moon....
its just hilarious to read your question actually
kaitoukidsama95 5 months ago
@JettlaGMusic it can orbit the earth,
jacknyc47 4 months ago
@JettlaGMusic a worm hole that took them further behind the moon and they were confused so they just went back to america
bobslayer1881 2 months ago
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Buzz Aldrin never went to the moon. The evidence shows that they faked the moon landings. Here's a link to some of it.
3W's (dot) brainsturbator (dot) com/forums/viewthread/1335/
(check link for gaps)
Cosmicmoron 5 months ago
ROFL XD i love how they just fall down, man i wana go to the moon
patemansmith1 5 months ago
We never went to the moon. Why? Because all the elements in the periodic table can be found in solar flares. That would include radioactive elements. Apollo 12 would have had to fly through solar flares for 12+ hours. That is impossible with our technology now so they couldn't have done it then. The level of radiation would have fried them like a hotdog in a microwave oven.
Daddyo930 5 months ago
Ok, where do you want to start? We'll take it one step at a time.
TheSpiritof1969 5 months ago
China go to the MOON?? bwahahaha, they need to learn how to fake their space walk videos better first, filming undewater = bad bad idea. xD. This whole space exploration thing is a huge joke now.
DanielJoseDiego 5 months ago
yeah... The Moon belongs to China now. The American space program is more of a bad joke now days. I blame republicans and creationists.
n987 5 months ago
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Just a simple question.
We've all seen the impeccable, footprint on the moon.
Given that the cameras were mounted to their chests and they had to waddle, not walk, because of the bulky spacesuits, how did they manage, first to MAKE the perfect footprint, and then to take a perfect, straight down picture of it.
Don't hate, just asking a reasonable question.
hopeso 5 months ago
A feat never done before and they made it in 7 years, STARTING FROM SCRATCH.
We have some 40 years of advancements in all areas of tech and science and it'll take some 13 years to do it again?
Why don't they just take the original blueprints, improve on the design using the latest tech, and get there, again in THREE years.
Can't see why that couldn't happen,,, given 40 years of advancements in all areas of tech and science.
I've read somewhere that they lost the original plans.
hopeso 5 months ago
We choose to go to the sound stage. Give me a break, so fake
iconoclast911 6 months ago
You can clearly see the wire which makes the astronauts float momentarily at 1:25
usamalali 6 months ago
@usamalali
stanley kubrik did a good job shooting this.
American flag can't blow in the wind up there, there ain't any wind on moon you know.
yet it does.
usamalali 6 months ago
@usamalali There's no wind on the Moon, but plenty from your arse, sorry, mouth.
nipplebrush 6 months ago
@usamalali
Flag contains a rod to hold it out. Flag waves while the astronaut is screwing the pole in. Flag stops after that. The entire video of the 40 minute process of planting the flag on the moon is available.
Use your brain.
Draknfyre 6 months ago
@usamalali It's not wind, you idiot it's them moving it, the gravity on the moon is six times lighter that on earth, therefore it moves more when moved.
556forlunch 6 months ago
@556forlunch
I cannot even be bothered to respond to that rubbish these days.
40 years of scientific review, tens of thousands of people involved. every word spoken by astronauts and ground teams minuted and timed, missions also tracked by British and Australian tracking stations manned by local post grads. Russians also tracked them and listened in on all transmissions. Thousands of journalists at Houston and the Cape...
..... yet some kid on YT says the flag is waving in the wind.
TheSpiritof1969 6 months ago
@TheSpiritof1969 Well said.
556forlunch 6 months ago
@556forlunch
I lived for a time a few miles from Tidbinbilla. .. got to meet one or two that remembered the place in the late sixties. There was no great love lost between the youth of Australia back then and there was much bitterness over Vietnam. Tidbinbilla and the Parks radio telescope were manned mainly by Aussie post graduates and there is no way any of them went along with a hoax ... they were there for science and they were among the best minds in their field.
TheSpiritof1969 6 months ago
@556forlunch I've seen that and totally agree with you, how the astronauts manipulate the flag, therefore it waves, but there's a clip afterwards that shows the flag wave on its own without anyone touching it, just a simple astronaut passes by it. That is what throws me totally off and has till this day, not be explained by anyone.
DanielJoseDiego 5 months ago
@DanielJoseDiego Well I always say why have they never ever once gone back with all the technology they have now? Imagine the possibilities ? then I realise it was nothing but a huge hoax. Waving flag and many many more evidence points to that these people never set a foot on the moon.
BlariX 5 months ago
@BlariX all those fake trips to the moon and our mortal enemies the Russians never bothered to say a thing.
Damn them.
Just as well we have the internet to show us the hoax after all these years.
Do you think that maybe China or Pakistan or Iran or North Korea, with the aid of a telescope could prove the US wrong and cause them to be massively embarrassed?
Yet they don't. They must be in on the conspiracy too.
Mattsretiring 5 months ago 2
@Mattsretiring bro stfu
omarkole 3 months ago
@BlariX then there's also the reality that the government doesn't tell us EVERYTHING they're up to so, they might be up there as we speak. We just don't know, all we can do is speculate.
DanielJoseDiego 5 months ago
@usamalali
Stanley Kubrik was a brilliant film director. So what makes some kid on YT think he would miss a little detail like a flag waving on the moon? Not once but SIX times over 4 years!!!! For gods sake get an education and learn something about what you are babbling on about.
TheSpiritof1969 6 months ago
@TheSpiritof1969
It is not me who suggests that. It was Kubrick's wife herself who pointed that thing out plus she claimed to have gotten hold of the documents concerning Kubrick's negotiations with the govt. Can you please see 1:25 ? you'll see truth glaring right into your very own face. After this landing Kubrick got to have two things: Immense budget, previously unseen in Kubrick movies, for his legendary 200:A space Odyssey and he got to film whatever he liked without content restrictions.
usamalali 5 months ago
@TheSpiritof1969
Effects back then were stupid. And this shooting shows that. There are videos all over the net showing freakin' wires which make them levitate. I can't make you see if you won't open your eyes. You can quote me on that. Education had got nothing to do with seeing a freakin joke happen and getting it.
usamalali 5 months ago
@usamalali
That "wire" is the antenna from the astronaut's pack. You know, the thing that transmits the audio you are hearing from them.
Draknfyre 6 months ago
@Draknfyre It is NOT the antenna. Antennas aren't that long and just watch a few videos of the wire and you'll undersrand the purpose of the wire. It's just an elastic shit which makes them bounce on the desert ground.
I don't know if you are an American or something, but I can't help you if you want to lie to yourself. bye. period.
usamalali 4 weeks ago
@usamalali
It's not even worth arguing with you people anymore. The proof that they ARE on the moon far outweigh anything you can try to jump on to prove they aren't. The slightest thing that looks irregular to you, you jump on it and drive it into the ground as "proof" they didn't go. While ignoring the thousands of other things that prove they did.
Draknfyre 3 weeks ago
@Draknfyre If you REALLY do go up there, that crazy fake looking shit does not happen at all. So, if something as basic as normal movement is not right in the footage, God knows what is!
mraliabbaslali 3 weeks ago
@mraliabbaslali
Basic movement as you know it based on EARTH GRAVITY. On Jupiter, you would be killed instantly due to gravity, and pressure. On Europa, you could fly by flapping cardboard wings attached to your arms.
When you are in 1/3rd gravity on a moon with no atmosphere, movement is different.
Draknfyre 3 weeks ago
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" I'm not sure these men walked on the Moon" Brian O' Leary.
"I don't know how long before I ceased to be known as the Moon man" Neil Armstrong.
"It was a stunt" Buzz Aldrin.
"Maybe you should find Armstrong and ask him" Jan Lundberg
"The old carpenter was ahead of his time" Bill Clinton
"Did you ever wonder why Nixon was not present at the Apollo11 launching?" Nikita Khrouschev
"This whole thing was a hoax" Bill Kaysing.
potrodsas 6 months ago
Fearful people are hard to discuss things with rationally--they don't know what to accept and what to reject. They live in their own self-created hell of denial, because they secretly believe they deserve it. Sad.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
All you people who enjoy technicalizing the c**p out of this, here's a clue: do you believe our government is always truthful with us? Once I know I've been lied to by someone, that ends the healthy relationship between us.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 Hitler and Stalin lied a lot, but both their nations were at the front regarding several new technologies. That politicians lie, doesn't automatically mean they lie about everything or that their scientists can't accomplish fantastic things.
Leave the politics aside and look into the technology and science to determine if man has been on the Moon.
YDDES 7 months ago
@YDDES : "Leave the politics aside and look into the technology and science....." I believe that's what the E.E.U. said to the Swedish government just before your country went under the socialist cloak......
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@YDDES : The trouble is that once we KNOW they've lied, what do we believe from them after that? It makes US look stupid when we allow them to remain in office. To the outside viewer, THEY appear to be in charge from that point on. For almost 50 years, America has been a nation governed by falsehood and deceit, and it's OUR OWN fault.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@YDDES : Hitler and Stalin, for all we know, were more truthful with their own people than Rosefield(Roosevelt)and Truman were with US. Those two took a lot of chances with our national innocence and used it to do a lot of damage to people who had not harmed us.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 "Stalin truthful with his own people"??? "PRAVDA" means truth. Few newspapers have been so full of lies. Hitler wasn't any better. Still, that has NOTHING to do with the facts that Germany built jet-fightersand launched V2 rockets, and Soviet sent the first satellite and the first man into space. It's not like Apollo was a secret project. Journalists from all over the world followed the program VERY close.
YDDES 7 months ago
@YDDES : Are you familiar with the story "The Emperor's New Clothes"? It's amazing what people will work up to get the public's attention and money. The "news" is a business; they want those quarters in those boxes, and they want us in front of those t.v.s--no matter what they have to say or do to accomplish it.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 OK, You are of course free to believe what You want, but ever since those Apollo-days and several decades later, I worked in the media business. Both with newspapers, magazines and radio/TV, so You don't have to lecture me about how it functions. A journalist or media company that exposes and publishes a big hoax, earns much more than those who just report what the "establishment" tells them.
And, there still is nothing that can stop lunar flights for those who can afford it.
YDDES 7 months ago
@YDDES : I'm not even saying the moon landing DIDN'T happen, it's just that I know that our government and the POPULAR(vote-concerned) "information" distributors DO work together to TRY to control the general mass of the mentally weak and security-craving voting and spending sector of the population. The media people I know are like the Mafia: "Well, if we say it, it's based on careful research and factual investigation." Read 95% b.s. I'm being generous. ;])
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 OK, You are talking about USA, but I still say You exaggerate. Here in Sweden, journalists have great integrity (the absolute majority of them), and don't hesitate to write about the governments and even the kings mistakes and blunders. I don't believe for a second that any serious journalist would close his eyes and turn away if he/she suspected a lunar landing hoax. What a scoop it would be!
YDDES 7 months ago
@YDDES : American "journalists" are serious about their paychecks, careers and standing with their employers. Modern-day royal scribes, if you will. Now that we got that out of the way, what else you want to talk about? ;])
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 Well, here, in this forum, I'll just try to educate the uneducated and gullible about mankinds greatests achivment: To leave the planet we have been confined to for billions of years, and, by our own intelligence and power, travel to another celestial body. As far as we know, we may be the first in the history of the Universe who have accomplished that.
Now it's midnight here, in Sweden, so I will say goodnight for today. Look up at the Moon. There's footsteps there...
YDDES 7 months ago
@YDDES : "Midnight in Sweden". Wow, that sounds like a great title for a book--and a movie. Good night. ;])
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@YDDES : This may strike you as ugly and tactless, but how do you think OUR news media felt about...oh, say, President Kennedy's assassination? Disappointed? Heartbroken? Devastated? I don't think so. They made more money in a week than in the previous 10 years combined. It's a business. "Meet John Doe" tells it all.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500, Yes. "The Emperor's New Clothes" story is relevant.
I would NEVER just "believe" the government. Just as I would never believe some joker with a set of YouTube videos & DVD's for sale who wants to promote his "hoax theory."
That's why I do the analysis myself on such things as the "there should have been a blast crater" argument. And I find every single such "theory" to be based on nonsense misunderstandings of physics.
In many cases the "hoax evidence" is outright fraud.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : Some guy named Cooper is rather well-known for that. I went through my Alex Jones "phase", then outgrew that. David Icke makes some good points, if you have the time to go through his voluminous production of material. I probably won't go out and make tons of money with MY observations, but I'm happy just knowing who's who and what's what, and that time and nature make their own changes. We're headed for a very good era.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
lol like this
Jrockershadow 7 months ago
Oh, we went. And that "space can" is all that was needed.
lotanerve 7 months ago
Red alert !!! Two poofters have reunited.
Chev4206 7 months ago
yeah right, Hubble? Resolution is not anywhere near enough to clearly see anything... lunar lander descent stage would be a couple of pixels... you can calculate it yourself
EddieTheBigMonster 8 months ago
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I believe we landed on the moon. And 9/11 was an Inside job. Aaaghhh! Crazy!
EdwardSkye1 8 months ago
it's sad that we have to look at the moon program as a past event now...
ZeroC0ol1989 8 months ago
You might only be in space once as austronaut and maybe even not! So why not have fun?
TheExplodingPumpkin 8 months ago
It is staggering that so many people believe this moon landing crap when the fallacy of it so obvious and inescapable. For fucks sake you stupid unintelligent Americans wake the fuck up. Your government has been fooling you and the world for decades, and their last pathetic effort was on 11th Sept. 2001. And what are you doing about it? Watching digital TV and eating shit at McDonald's, thanking 'them' for protecting you sitting back and doing fuck-all. And paying tax.
Chev4206 8 months ago
@Chev4206 What are you, fifteen? It's amazing there are people who doubt that we went to the moon when it is so easily verifiable. You probably think the holocaust never happened and that 9/11 was an inside job and that chemtrails are real. What a joker. I know we went to the moon, for I have held moon rock in my hands that came from an old guy I once knew who worked directly with the astronauts during that time period. You can't tell me we didn't go. Asshole.
JamesMorlan 8 months ago
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@JamesMorlan I refer you to my last statement.,.,.,.,.,.,
Chev4206 8 months ago
@Chev4206
Yeah... are you one of those hoaxers thinking he is smarter than 40+ years worth of science & engineering?
Get real, we did go to the Moon. The evidence has been in the public domain for decades.
Rob260259 8 months ago
@Rob260259 Prove it. And I ( and millions of others ) will disprove it. Apollo was a joke and the entire world is laughing. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being patriotic to your country, which is exactly what ' they ' want. Question: how come there are an abundance of facts disclaiming the moon landing(s), pictures, anomalies, physical evidence, theories, reports etc and not one to prove they actually went there?
Chev4206 8 months ago
@Chev4206
As I said; the evidence is in the public domain for decades. Specialists in aeronautics, aerospace, dynamics, radiology, astronomy, geology, mechanics, engineering, communications, physics, thermodynamics and astrophysics have acknowledged the landings on the Moon. Name a few credentialed people who support this ridiculous hoax belief.
"I do not comprehend it. So it must be fake."
An abundance of facts? LOL
Rob260259 8 months ago
@Rob260259 Calm down for fuck's sake!!! Where are the facts you fucking arsehole? Statements just state, say, iterate, infer, confer, confirm, oh I couldn't be bothered any longer. You don't comprehend it because you believe it's fuke, feke, fike, foke, fake (that's the one)!!! Public domain bullshit. What you read there has been put in place by the powers who have been and are controlling you. Wake up. Wake up. FFS
Chev4206 8 months ago
@Chev4206
Getting upset, are you?
Rob260259 8 months ago
@Rob260259 Upset? Not in the least. I have better things to do than argue with some Dutch twat....... I have just checked out your YT channel. My god you are running a one-man crusade to defend the most corrupt and hated nation on earth. That's sad. My first language isn't English either. Now go back to kissing NASA's arse !!
Chev4206 8 months ago
@Chev4206
Ah... you ARE upset.
"My first language isn't English either"
- no need to tell me, I noticed
Try 'ignoring' me. Just like searching some credentialed people that agree with you.
LOL
Rob260259 8 months ago
@Rob260259 Nosi se u picku lepu materinu i pusi kurac !!! Insult me all you want. Words don't and can't hurt so continue embarrassing yourself. Just one question brain box: why doesn't NASA turn the Hubble telescope onto the moon and show the entire world the Apollo landing sites? It won't because there is nothing to see. It's much easier for them to focus on a spot in space 13000 million light years away and spin us a bullshit yarn about the origins of the universe. FUCK OFF and get real......
Chev4206 8 months ago
@Chev4206
Still busy with your crusade? Read the answer from Eddie about resolution. And use that cable to educate yourself. Don't just shout "fake" because you don't understand things.
"Insult me all you want"
- there's really no need to insult you. Observing the things you write down here shows that you're doing a fine job on that yourself.
Rob260259 8 months ago
@Rob260259-Glad to see you here.
dalek14mc 8 months ago
@dalek14mc
Hey... that's what a paid shill does!
:-)
Rob260259 8 months ago
@Chev4206
"one-man crusade"...
Yeah... I'm the only one, sure... The rest of the world supports your 'twoof'.
Sure.
Rob260259 8 months ago
@Chev4206
"millions of others"
Yeah. Sure. The internet has not changed history. It has just given idiots a bigger soapbox to stand on.
I have to laugh at YouTube twoofers who think of themselves as some sort of 'truth patriots' yet they lack the knowledge to understand the science and engineering behind the Apollo program.
Real patriots are the astronauts. People who would slander them are just ass clowns.
Rob260259 8 months ago
2:40- 2:44 LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
XxxSakura101 8 months ago
Why have we not been back to the moon? Because there's no fucking oil there.
lotanerve 8 months ago 17
@lotanerve hahahahaha
rameez51 8 months ago
@lotanerve If it was you know America would have had invaded already.
AccessDenied55 8 months ago
@lotanerve That or cause we just cut spending for Nasa so they have pushed money to things like manned mars missions.
GUNS4MIKE1234 8 months ago
@lotanerve Cause theres no Oil thereXP lols no but really idk there cutting spending on everything at all progressive and military funding is still almost 700 billion a year so w/e they do what they want now dispite what the people want.
GUNS4MIKE1234 8 months ago
@lotanerve We never went.. Atleast not in that space can..
kidjr27 7 months ago
@kidjr27 Oh, we went all right. And that "space can" is all that was needed.
lotanerve 7 months ago
@lotanerve I'm soory man but, all the evidence points other wise. For example, not a single one of the astronauts that claimed they went to the moon will not swear to it on the Bible. Also, the lander left absolutely no landing pit or crater which should have been definate, and the lander was sparkling clean with not a spec of moon dust. The Van Allen radiation belt would have surly killed them.. The list goes on..
kidjr27 7 months ago
@kidjr27 Silly speculation is not evidence sir . Not even close.
lotanerve 7 months ago
@lotanerve Speculation? Are you saying the pictures are fake? Indeed they are fake.. Air brushing is evident in almost all of the pics NASA released to the public. Now quit trying to manipulate the people. Do you really want to be on the wrong side when the evil elite go down?
kidjr27 7 months ago
@kidjr27 "manipulate the people"??? Go down on this.
lotanerve 7 months ago
@kidjr27 Airbrushing videos??? You are so ignorant! What about some education instead of all that silly speculation about things You have no idea about?
YDDES 7 months ago
@YDDES LOL. I think you sir should practice what you preach. I did do the home work. What did you do? Watch the tell-lie-vision PROGRAM and just believe what they told you.. Ask yourself, why will not a single one of them comment on any of the video that proves they lie? And why won't a single one of them swear on the bible? Because they know if they do and this corrupt leadership is replaced with righteous leadership, they are screwed. You truly are a lost brainwashed sheep. No offense.
kidjr27 7 months ago
@kidjr27 If a few ignorants would say they don't believe something I have done, I would take it as an insult if they asked me to swear on the Bible, and don't sink so low that I bothered to answer them. Aftel all, almost no educated scientists or technicians have ever doubted the lunar landings.
Furthermore: All "Hoax evidence videos" have been refuted over and over again.
I have lived through that era, have a HUGE amount of material from those days and know a LOT about movie SFX. They landed.
YDDES 7 months ago
@YDDES : Do you realize the danger to our government if enough of the American people ever concluded that the moon landings were contrived and didn't actually happen? They're highly motivated to continue with the story and make it stick, no matter what they have to do to accomplish that. Never mind the French Revolution, we're talking about Washington, D.C. looking like Mogadishu.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 Well, You may be right about the politics, but that doesn't change fact: I've studied the moonlandings for decades, and there's nothing substantial that talks aginst them, but everything points to the conclusion that they happened as said.
You'll have to look behind the politics and and misinterpreted pictures, and look deeply into the technology and science. No doubt, man has walked on the Moon. We may be the sole species in Universe that has travelled to another celestial body.
YDDES 7 months ago
@YDDES : When I was your age, I thought and felt the same way. ;])
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@kidjr27 : Good comment. Our society's already cracking around the edges from the intense flow of lies and hardly-veiled arrogance of our politicians. What they fear most WILL come upon them.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@kidjr27 Why would they take an oath on the Bible, for people who will then simply say "they lied on the Bible"? The engines were barely turning over on landing; that bit of dust over hardpan had no reason to get a crater dug in it. And the dust had no reason, in no atmosphere, to blow around, upward. it would have to pass through the bottom of the LM to get upward! And James Van Allen disagrees with you. Stay in the thick a month,you're dead. Through the thin part in an hour? You're fine.
Pygar2 7 months ago
@kidjr27 -- How many pictures of the lunar landings have you seen? A few published in magazines or online maybe? There are thousands of original photos. And no, they do not show signs if "airbrushing."
And how the hell would you expect an exhaust with a static pressure of only 1 1/2 pounds per square inch to leave a "blast crater"? That is the original "moon hoax" claim and it is just about the most idiotic.
(And no, I do NOT "believe" NASA. I do the math myself. You can too.)
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : Mythbusters showed an astronaut doll being CRUSHED in a vacuum chamber--that didn't look right, so I watched a video of some Peeps in a bell jar in a classroom as the air was removed. The Peeps EXPANDED dramatically. We live in a world in which some people work frantically and intensely to push THEIR version of things, and say, "THAT'S the way it IS!!" And you know something? It's getting really, really *&^#@$%%^ old.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- Is the Mythbusters video of the doll being 'crushed" online anywhere?
Depending on the construction of the doll, it could very well look like it was "crushed" because the air was being pumped out of it, if it was not sealed. Just because another doll behaved differently does not mean the first video was "fake." Without knowing anything specifically about the differences between them, it merely means they are different.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : It's on Youtube--the episode that examines the speculation about the moon shot.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- OK. If you have a specific reference, I'll take a look at it.
Otherwise, I might run across it some time, but I've got to quit wasting so much time on YouTube.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : I understand. For me, it's enough to know that my government(whose salaries I contribute to)WILL lie to me if it suits their purpose(s).The showdown is imminent, and they will be walked out of office. Quietly, calmly, firmly and confidently. Then we'll simply hire(elect)new public servants.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@nesokretep : What makes you think it's a waste of time? I LOVE it. Interactive conversation with a worldwide forum on any subject--the modern version of Radio Free Europe, with bells and whistles. ;])
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- Oh, I know. World wide conversations are good.
But there are other things I really need to be doing for my family and I need to be away from the internet more.
(Oh, and I don't have much confidence in the next bunch of idiots that will get elected to office. Things like the control of the banking system are so intrenched in the system that it is going to be awfully hard if not impossible to get them changed.)
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : "...Not because they are easy, but because they are hard...." ;])
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 What was the doll in mythbusters made of? if it was foam for example then it would collaspe as the air was sucked out of it
musicbruv 7 months ago
@musicbruv : Then why did the Peeps(sugar foam)expand when the air was withdrawn from the bell jar in the science class video? Mythbusters is a show designed to ENTERTAIN a certain type of people--I won't go deeply into that.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 Maybe because the air was trapped inside the peeps like a balloon, if the air can get out then it will deflate, if it cannot it will expand....simple
musicbruv 7 months ago
@musicbruv : Ya think maybe we're overworking this subject a tad much? With me, it's a matter of knowing that my government DOES lie to us, and the bigger and more impressive lie they can put over, the better, as far as they're concerned. The showdown IS imminent.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 Goverments lie that is fact but to suggest that Apollo was a a lie is preposterous, countries all over the world were involved in some way with Apollo either by assisting or monitoring, scientist from all over the world have examained moon rock and confirm they are from the moon, it could not possibly be a lie that would simply be impossible to acheive.
musicbruv 7 months ago
@musicbruv : I didn't say it DIDN'T happen, but there's room for doubt BECAUSE of our government's habit of lying to us frequently. "If you're going to tell a lie, tell one so big that no one would believe that you'd lie about such a thing."
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 Are the Russians Australians, British and other s also lying, are the geologist who examined moon rocks lying?
musicbruv 7 months ago
@musicbruv : Older, more homogenous nations are in fact better-informed than we are. We're 250 years old as a declared nation--we don't know who we are yet, and can be told pretty much anything. It never occurs to most Americans that being independently-minded and reaching our own conclusions might actually require the effort of personal research and the pain of popular rejection, so we tend to buckle under to common mythology in order to stay safe.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- Yes. Governments lie. That can be taken as a given. The American government lies about a great many things that are far more important than anything in NASA's realm.
Understanding the reality of the Apollo program has two areas of importance:
(1) NOT because "America is great" in some irrational patriotic way. But it is an example of the possibilities of human accomplishment.
(2) but more importantly, as an exercise in rational thought.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : No nation is great. They all have their brave geniuses, and the rest of their populations simply enjoy the products of their intensely-focused thoughts and efforts. There are about 1,000 people in America who actually have good ideas and know what they're doing. The rest of us just enjoy the benefits of it. I'm a political and military genius; it's probably fortunate for a lot of people that our government has no need or desire for my talents at the moment.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- Major hint here (in case you wish people to think of you as being credible):
It's easy to be a "genius" in one's own mind.
No genius ever claims to be a genius.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : Not out loud in front of anyone, anyway. Edison and Tesla knew perfectly well that they were geniuses--wasn't any need to broadcast the fact verbally. It showed in their products.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@nesokretep : North Korea is a good example of a genius mentality. They don't yell rhetoric, or threaten. They just let people know quietly what they have, and if our government continues to harass and threaten THEM, then one day Seattle, San Francisco or Los Angeles simply won't be there anymore. And there's not a damned thing we'll be able to do about it.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
(2) continued ... the arguments around the Apollo subject can be analyzed rationally and independently. Many of them do not depend on "believing" NASA or experts or anyone else at all. And when almost all of the "hoax evidence" is looked at objectively, it is found to be nonsense. Much of it can be proven to be fraudulent.
And almost all of it, when the actual principles of physics are understood (such as in one example of the motion of the dust & astronauts) is actually evidence it was real
nesokretep 7 months ago
It is important to not base conclusions on suppositions.
Such as "if the U.S. had atomic weapons, then it would not worry about others having atomic weapons"
That is nonsense.
That is the same as saying, I don't care if someone may be standing across the street and pointing a gun at me. I have a gun. After he kills me or my family, I am perfectly capable of trying to find out who he was and go shoot him.
Dangerous nonsense.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : Anyone, bright or even not very bright, can read your comments and responses and see that you only do this for fun. As trolls go, you're about a Level 1--not really bad enough to be tossed into the abyss, just acting confused in order to get attention.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- On the contrary, if you would like to actually debate any of the actual facts of the Apollo evidence (the subject of this video) we can do that. I have, in fact, analyzed a great deal of the so-called "hoax evidence" and it can be proven to be nonsense.
There are no arguments on the "hoax theory" side which stand up to an objective understanding of physics. They are all either nonsense or suppositions, or both.
(I doubt you'll want to debate actual facts, though)
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : You understand physics(maybe)and I understand that my government lies to us with insouciance and frequently; that's the stand-off.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- And I am not "acting confused" about anything.
I am pointing out the stupidity of some of your arguments.
You hinted that you didn't think the U.S. has any atomic weapons. And you provided as evidence of this that if it had atomic weapons, it would not be concerned about other countries having atomic weapons.
Do you honestly not understand how insane that is?
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : I believe(I don't know it for a fact, because I wasn't there)that there was much less nonsense going on publicly when Americans wore guns openly, and yet, there WAS mutual respect and a degree of honor. Those who carried NO weapons were perceived by the majority of society as: cowards; very educated; members of the clergy, or just plain stupid. The world is just an expansion of that mass perception.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
If you are arguing that the U.S. has no atomic weapons because otherwise it would not be concerned about others having them then YOU are saying that a nation SHOULD say:
"Oh, it's OK if we lose a couple million people and a city or two. We can always go and kill a couple million people in retalliation."
Do you understand why this is necessarilly the argument of your position?
You are not just supporting mutual destruction as a policy, you saying that killing millions is nothing to worry about
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : I'm not saying what we should or should not do, what I'm saying is that we fight wars with the DECLARED intention of prevailing and accomplishing victory, but we DON'T do what would seal and verify that declaration. We just torture other nations for decades with conventional weapons, simultaneously bleeding our own economy and national morale to death.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- So your position is that instead of attempting to control a country and killing thousands and thousands of innocent people in so doing...
YOU think it would be much BETTER to wipe out ALL of their people, regardless of "innocent" or "guilty" or "good" or "bad." It makes no difference if any of them would be friendly to you or otherwise, you would just burn them all and be done with it.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : I think, ultimately, that Americans might try minding our own national business for a change, just to see what happens. We have unlimited resources. First priority: shred the Truman Doctrine.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- Or, at the very least, you are saying that wiping out ALL of the innocent people in a country is "better" than only killing SOME of the innocent people in a country.
nesokretep 7 months ago
You are not stating in words what we "should or should not do." But if you understand logic (which you apparently do not) you understand that there is a logical conclusion from your assumptions:
- IF you assume that a country definitely "would" use atomic weapons if it had them;
- AND you conclude that they do not have them because they do not use them;
- THEN you eliminate all other possible reasons for not using them.
AND your only logical conclusion is widespread use of them is "good."
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : In 1996, the Washington Post Weekly stated that Israel possessed 10,000 nuclear warheads. What is your opinion of that? Knowing the "news" media as I do, I believe it's total nonsense, designed to intimidate anyone who reads and believes it.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- I have never heard of anyone saying Israel had "10,000 nuclear warheads" and I would consider such a statement to be most likely an ignorant mistake rather than "designed to intimidate" because such a high number for Isreal has very little value in intimidating anyone.
I have heard estimates anywhere from 50 to 500 nuclear devices owned by Israel. Anything beyond that number is relatively meaningless.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : You can't actually engage in objective logic, because it's obvious that you harbor a fear of some kind of personal loss for yourself should somebody decide to detonate one. Not specifically a character flaw, per se, but a spiritual weakness. You're not interested in "millions of people", you're interested in YOU, and it's hard to blame you for that.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- Your argument is based on assumptions.
That's a very weak position.
... but it is understandable that a person who proclaims to the public the he himself is a "genius" would do such a thing.
It seems as though you are afraid of the logic of my statement. Was it stated in terms that were plain and absolute for you?
If you wish to address exactly what is wrong with my logic, I would be interested in seeing what you would have to say.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : There's not a thing wrong with your logic; it's based on personal interest and what's good for YOU. You don't want to be vaporized--that's as worthy a goal as any I can think of. I can sympathize with it.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- You have no foundation for your assumption.
It's interesting how much people like you make things up. There is nothing in my statement which indicates "personal interest." So that aspect of it is irrelevant, regardless of whether it exists or not.
My statement stands on its own. You may either object to it or accept it.
If you object to my conclusion, you must find fault with my logic.
As it stands, it shows that you don't care if the U.S. wipes out millions of people.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : "You have no foundation for your assumption." Yes....Satan said that to Jesus Christ on more than one occasion, also. I think you and I are done here. I'm holding my silver crucifix up to the computer screen now--see how it glitters and sparkles? ;])
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- Yes. Of course you can run away if you want to. In fact, it's perfectly understandable under the circumstances.
I just find it interesting that you accuse me of "not caring about millions of people" when YOU are the one who made the statement which indicates that you don't care about those same millions.
The only thing I did was to point it out.
... or, would you like to explain the error in my logic?
Oh. Excuse me. You already expressly stated that my logic was correct.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- And I'm also just a bit curious to hear how you know Satan made that statement to Jesus Christ. Did your buddy Satan tell you he said that to Jesus? I don't recall any statement about an "assumption" anywhere in the Bible.
Oh well ... it figures that a person who admits (twice) that he doesn't care about millions of people would have an in with the devil.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep You assume to much. I have read more books than there are in most librarys. You can't judge a person you don't know. You shouldn't judge at all. The story is long and time wasting. But here is something for you to ponder. The answer to the elites problem which was "how can we reach every person in the world to brainwash them", was the tell-lie-vision. They could do whatever and the sheep would follow. Anex-KGB had said it was China who gave us the tech. TV+school+work= Brainwashed
kidjr27 7 months ago
@kidjr27 -- Wrong. I don't 'assume" a thing. That is why I asked about the pictures.
And it does not matter how many books you have read if you did not understand them.
And if you think "there should have been a blast crater" then you simply have not bothered to do the math on the necessary pressure from the exhaust nozzle.
How would a pressure of only 1 1/5 pounds per square inch create a "blast crater?"
It would blow away some surface dust. And it clearly did that.
But "blast crater?" No
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep You are so full of shit.. I'll give you some numbers to do pal.. Blow it out your blow hole. You sir are a bullshit artist.. Let me ask you this.. What happened to the Columbia shuttle?
kidjr27 7 months ago
@kidjr27 -- If you actually know that I am "full of shit" then it should be easy for you to prove it by correcting my numbers. So if you understand the subject and you want to "give [me] some numbers", then go ahead and do it for real.
If you do not understand the subject and you want to understand, then we can discuss it.
;
But if you don't understand the subject, and you just want to throw accusations around to make yourself feel good, then you're the one who is full of shit.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep I think we can both agree to disagree.. I hope you see the real picture soon my fellow human. This issue of the moon landing is just one piece of a very large pie.. I don't think you and I are on the same brain frequency.. Because if you can't see that they lied about taking a rocket and landing it on the moon, you will definately have a very difficult time swallowing my other more outrageous pieces of pie but, it's truth none the less. For ex, what if I said Obama wasn't born here..
kidjr27 7 months ago
@kidjr27 -- These are well established historical facts: Ford built industrial manfucaturing plants in Nazi Germany; the Federal Reserve, through fractional reserve banking, creates money out of thin air (every Econ student knows this); FNMA basically controls the banking industry and has a strangle-hold on the economy; FNMA is a government-sponsored enterprise; the U.S. Constitution does not provide for government-sponsored enterprises; the U.S. involvement in Libya is unconstitutional.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@kidjr27 Allow me. Instead of just complaining on the US goverment (all governments have their shortcomings), please tell me why the scientists and technicians couldn't send men to the Moon. They have
sent a lot of probes to the Moon and hundreds of people out in space. Why not people to the Moon?
The Soviet leaders lied constantly, but their scientists managed to launch the first satellite, the first moonprobe and the first man into space.
YDDES 7 months ago
@kidjr27 -- Whether or not Obama was born here is no more than a distraction at this point. The REAL question is why people who consider themselves to be "liberal" (which traditionally meant in favor of individual human rights ... re. Thomas Jefferson) allow such a thing as an unconstitutional dictatorial use of the military in a place like Libya.
The ANSWER is that people allow themselves to be taken in by distractions.
The "hoax theory" of the Apollo project is such a distraction.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@kidjr27 -- If people are willing to run around saying "that was fake" just because some piece of shit web site says "there should have been a blast crater" without understanding if there ACTUALLY should have been a blast crater (all it takes is some very simple math to see that it really was only 1.5 psi pressure) then they are in no position to be able to find out the actual truth about more important issues that affect the lives of millions of people.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@kidjr27 -- You can't say: "The government lies, therefore everything it does is fake."
That's just stupid. Things are not that simple.
Hitler lied. But Nazi Germany invented the ME262, the V-1 cruise missile, and the V-2 ballistic missile.
Kennedy was inept and Johnson was power-hungry. But the U.S. invented the SR71 in 1964 and there's still nothing in the sky that could catch it.
And Apollo went to the moon.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep Actually it is that simple. The news is owned by satanic beings. One lie leads to a million lies and these scum have new lies all the time. Thing is, they don't care. Look at the chemtrail issue.. They got people so brainwashed that they are still arguing over if they are real or not:-( It's like living in a nightmare wide awake while everyone else is sleeping. Think for one second what great knowledgable things could be on tv. And what do they put instead? Crime, war, hate, drugs
kidjr27 7 months ago
@kidjr27 -- Like I said ... if you are going to swallow such a simple lie as "there should have been a blast crater" without even being the least bit curious about whether or not there ACTUALLY should have been a blast crater, you are going to swallow any bit of nonsense that you think sounds good.
Many of the things you are saying are true.
Some may not be.
You'll never know.
You'll never even attempt to find out for yourself because you've given over to others your ability to think.
nesokretep 7 months ago
and sex.. They put fluoride, lithium, and other poisons in our water instead of vitamins and convince the people it's good for them.. Imagine the laugh the elite have behind closed doors. Kissinger said in 1982 that they will have the people buying water and invisible minutes. That statement seems normal now. NOBODY drinks tap water anymore unless your poor. And those poor people are poisoned the worst. But don't think bottled water is any better. It's probably worse. Lithium was found in bottle
kidjr27 7 months ago
@kidjr27 water along with human freaking feces.. So yes, I don't believe a single word they tell us. I hope in the very soon future that they won't be able to tell us a damn thing!
kidjr27 7 months ago
@kidjr27 I'm afraid You seem quite paranoid. Be careful, one of these days You may believe that the goverment, the "bad guys" or even everyone is out to get You.
Relax and enjoy Your life.
YDDES 7 months ago
@YDDES : The Swedish government is not yet brazenly arrogant and violent like our American government. The word "paranoid" actually means "aware of everything". Our government doesn't like people who exercise that asset; like God, for instance.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 Yes, I know that the American government can be quite ruthless. G W Bush should have standed trial beside Saddam. Thousands of innocent Iraqis killed, the country robbed and destroyed on false ground.
But, the American scientists managed to send men to the Moon.
YDDES 7 months ago
@YDDES : Someone decided amongst themselves about 80 years ago that America should be like Rome re-born in the present time, but they set the whole thing up on the false premise that the Romans were thoroughly evil people, and that the government and military should be worshipped as gods. Payback time for these people could be HOURS away--could be months, but it IS approaching. God bless the ones among them who repent; as for the rest....c'est la vie.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@YDDES : Actually, Saddam Hussein was like the "George Washington" of Iraq; our government has no tolerance for individuals who serve the interests of their nations well. It's not a difficult exercise in logic--if it's good, our government wants it GONE--in the slowest, most painful way possible(that's a clue). I am looking forward to seeing our present government walked out of office, and replaced.
buzzclick500 7 months ago
This is the best way to look at it: The American government lies about everything. Everything it supposedly created or invented is fake.
There are no atomic bombs.
There are no super sonic jets.
Your laser mouse does not exist.
Apollo never went to the moon.
There is no GPS.
There is no satellite TV or satellite weather.
The Space Shuttle never went into orbit (there actually was a very active hoax-theory promoter on YouTube who was saying he poitively knew this to be the case.)
...etc
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : "There are no atomic bombs." You're partially right; there are no atomic bombs in our government's possession. Governments don't invent anything--they BUY inventions, the more destructive, the better for them. Hey, it's not THEIR money anyway, right? Nobody's fooling anybody here, o.k?
buzzclick500 7 months ago
@buzzclick500 -- No atomic bombs in our government's possession?
It's delusional lack of thinking like that which allows the government to do what it wants. If people would actually wake up and look at history, we would be in much better shape.
Sad.
nesokretep 7 months ago
@nesokretep : In an era such as the one in which we live, people who think are held in disdain and disregard by those who don't. Rhetoric is rhetoric, and fact is fact. Being deceived is not an excuse; it's a voluntary attitude, and time and nature will address and correct it. As Henry Ford said, "History is mostly bunk." I agree with him.
buzzclick500 7 months ago