I love how you give no reasoning behind your hatred of Sonic's supporters, like there is no reason to like them, even though they have thousands of fans that will eat you alive for simply saying anything that isn't positive about them.
Sonic games weren't fixated on speed... the advertising was fixated on speed. This goes again to your general unwillingness to do your research. Another example of this is your Worst Person Shooter episode. How many times did you really move at speed in the Mega Drive Sonic games?
Are you really quick to say that SA2 sucked because of Shadow? You're really going to attract the ire of many Sonic fanboys, myself included. The gameplay was solid, compared to SA. Youa hate Shadow, fine. I hate Knuckles. Doesn't mean I avoided and denied myself OG Sonic 3 & Knuckles just cause I couldn't stand him.
Adventure 2 wouldve been the last good sonic game had it not been for the Tails and Knuckles levels. The Sonic/Shadow levels where fantastic, but the other 2/3rds of the game was just so...meh.
Okay.....I really don't care about the other characters, but saying Shadow sucks is pretty much a big lie, I mean hes got a bigger backstory than Sonic.
Though I usually agree with your views on modern gaming, I have to draw a line here. We can all agree that Sonic '06 was a mess, and that there have been undesirable characters over the years, but the blue blur still has some great games. Sorry if you don't like seeing him as a werewolf or waving a sword, but Sega's trying this little thing called VARIETY. If you don't like it, I'm sure there's a post apocolyptic first person shooter in the works to pander to you, just like all the rest.
Shadow The Hedgehog was the first Sonic game I ever played man. T.T I happen to like Shadow.
Also, I liked the overall gameplay of Sonic Unleashed. The plot was less than amazing BUT it was nice playing the night missions to beat the pulp out of things and play the day missons for some nice old school 'all speed'.
@kovulover TBH, Sonic and the Secret Rings is a mixed-bag, as for Next Gen, well...I don't want to make a rant about it but it's definitely my least favorite Sonic game.
As others have brought up, there always has been a bit of an exploration element to Sonic, though it kind of depended on your playstyle. Either way, the level design centered around multiple routes and hidden objects, so saying that 2D Sonic had fixed linearity really doesn't do it justice.
I'd say the problem with a lot of the more recent titles up until the last couple of years were forced gimmicks, not that speed and platforming don't work in 3D. Colors and Generations show otherwise.
I think the problem is this: poor development. Not particularly for only one or two characters, and not for everyone, but the deal is that the timeline is getting screwed with.
Sonic Colors rocked in my opinion, and I'm hearing good things about Generations, so I'm not worried.
I don't know about you guys, but if a company ever so DEARLY want's to rid of their mascot, they announce it publicly and get it over with fast,. That, or they die if it's a video game or something like that.
At the headquarters of SEGA, mysterious hooded figure kicked down the door. No one knows this person's name, nor would anyone say it if you asked. With a commanding voice they announced, "SONIC MUST BE SAVED!" All at SEGA dropped their work and turned in awe to face the hooded person. The idea was explained, and given a name, "Sonic COLORS". Jaws wide, every man and woman faced each other and said, "By God, this is genius!" The staff made to thank them, but they had gone. Now we may never know.
I think you avoided the fact that even the Genesis games (and also the Sega CD game) all featured level design with a heavy emphasis on multiple routes and explorable secret areas. One of the common criticisms of recent Sonic games is that they either focus too much on nonlinear gameplay and little on speed, or vice versa.
I think that's why Sonic Colors is the best 3D Sonic to date, because it finally found the perfect balance between the two.
I never really cared for sonic or mario, never really favoured one brand of videogame over the other. I guess getting incredibly emotionally attached to multinational corporations and their vapid mascots is a bit of an American thing.
There may be a fairly LARGE amount of sonic characters, but I still wouldn't mind if they brought back some of the REALLY old characters like fang the sniper or mighty the armadillo. Big the cat on the other hand can go the way of the dinosaurs if nobody minds.
Sonic Advance was my first game. Sonic adventure 2 Battle for the gamecube is one of my all time favorite games. You know what they both had..... the chao garden. To me, I loved how you could raise and grow the chao to a new form based on their skills.
i really dont see the problem with sonic; i think you over thinking gamers just bitch for no reason. i mean what exactly is the problem? the problem is that he runs fast? i dont get it.
Shadow to me is just a case of wasted character. He pretty used up all of his goods after SA2. Now he only exists as another hapless Sonic sidekick with no purpose or reason. He was was executed well, cheapened, and now is at the point of no redemption. He sucks.
The only characters I see getting any love are Amy and Tails. Both playing proper sidekick roles in the last major Sonic games (Unleashed and Colors). I applaud Sega for that instead of shoehorning shitty sidekicks all over the place.
It's odd that SEGA are now rekindling the memories of the franchises' Golden Age, when they should've done that 10 years earlier. SEGA don't really know what way suits for Sonic to make his transition to 3D; the series is desperate for relevance really from the hardcore gaming culture. Sonic Colours was pretty good, but if SEGA really want their fans back, they need to understand what made Sonic truly great. Hopefully Generations will achieve this =)
The game I played was for some reason called sonic dx , not sonic adventure . this is the 1st time I even see the title sonic adventure . and I have to say : this game ROCKS . it is the last 'old style" game I know . Yes it's not side scrolling but I don't give a !@#$% I play it over and over once in maybe 2 years . the same I do with TMNT , not TMNT2 though , sometimes the series are worse then the original . tmnt2 is not bad , but not better , which is the point of a series , to be better .
Now we need a JRPG sequel to Phantasy Star IV and a proper tactical RPG Shining Force (or minimum, a worldwide release of enhanced Shining Force 3 port). Sega's far TOO stupid to do either of these two things, let alone do either right,
Ironic, you moan about the "evil version of the hero" character cliché here yet you're fucking up your own show with a piss poor "storyline" involving an evil clone called the Anti-Thinker... what a hypocrite.
True. I still feel it's somewhat hypocritical though as he heavily implies that the "evil version of the hero" cliché is poor storytelling at it's roots and then does it himself to pad out his videos when he really doesn't need to.
If I get your message correctly...are you suggesting that Sonic start appearing and disappearing in clouds of smoke, and appearing in Hulk Hogans mirror?
Yes, Bob, I would fucking love to see Doug Funny again. That was one of my early childhood shows (I'm 18). I'd love to see a few new episodes again...but not several new seasons. If the understood "they" were to do that, they would make the franchise shit, as they have with Sonic. Just kill him. He's not coming back.
Am I the only one who thinks the Mario Series is awesome, but that mario himself is a crap characthers? Hes a fat plumber with no real persoanlity and an offensivley over the top accent?
Ok, Shadow was awesome in Adventure 2...maybe not so much in the later games, but in Adventure 2, he was badass! And the main thing that keeps me a huge sonic fan is that sonic was my first video game ever! There is no replacing the awesome memories I had as a kid playing sonic games and I truly hope there will be some sort of revival for him...in fact, I hear colors wasn't too bad...
Also yes, I would love to see Doug brought back...that would hopefully add a good cartoon to this generation...
I have some old Sonic sweaters that I wore when I was a kid, one of them was just Sonic looking at you with a shit eating grin over a caption that said "dude with a 'tude." That is SO 90's I laugh out loud every time I think of it. But I'm one of the fans who can actually reconcile the separate continuities of the games and the cartoon/comic and enjoy both for what they are. I am often shocked to find out what a small minority of the fandom I'm actually IN.
You know, Sonic's legacy is like a rock Star who had an awesome rise, but now his fall, he is struggling to appease the fans and get new ones but fail in both regards. Will he ever rise to the top, or will he fade into the void. I hope not. I'm rooting for the Hedgehog, Ten-K Dec. 31, 2010
I feel kinda bad about it, but I admit that I do like most of the characters they've slapped on over the years. Yes, we didn't need any of them really, but I couldn't help but get attached to them. :\
Shadow should've just stayed dead after Sonic Adventure 2. I LOVED him in SA2, could deal with him in Sonic Heroes, but Sonic Team completely ruined him after that. I almost feel like they've done worse to him than to Sonic.
sonic silver shadow and every body else on the sonic team rules more kids prefer including my prefer sonic characters over mario because sonic keeps any age of kids hipped up while mario requires a lot of thinking to get to each level sonic is a better game better mascot because he represents childrens wildness and ability to explore with no boundaries we children prefer to have a little spark in our life yeah sega fucked up sonic so what some of the games are still fun to play you should just
All I'm hearing here is that Sonic sucks because of the story. Whether Sonic's on Mobius or Earth doesn't change a damn thing, how 'cool' he looks to the audience is a matter for marketing, not game design and there could be a new hedgehog for every game as far as I'm concerned because their appearance doesn't necessarily have to change the way it plays.
3D being difficult to work with is the only relevant part and that has never been an issue with the numerous portable titles released so far.
@JohnnyD1986: I'm talking about the promotional comic that came out around the same time as the original game's U.S. debut. The Archie comics didn't start until 1993.
07:44 -Kind of interesting that you also thought of him as a loner before he ended up hanging off all of the other characters, I was starting to think it was just me.
Sonic was marketed as a "Poochie", but he actually draws motifs from timeless characters like Felix the Cat and Bugs Bunny.
Sonic's character design compared to most Poochies is actually pretty simple. Sonic has a spiky haircut, he's blue, and the only thing he wears in terms of clothes is his red sneakers. No features that were considered "cool" in the 90's as outdated today. The "cool" marketing campaign may be outdated, but the character itself isn't.
Sega DOES what NintenDON'T... Not fight the old video game wars?! Oh I'll fight it... I'll fight it...
Ghost Rider the movie sucked balls... Sonic CD rocked and I wish they finished that one game based on the freedom fighting cartoon show... It had stealth, which some people say is anti-sonic, but honestly it looked pretty awesome and could be a nice mix... Sadly you are correct about every sonic game post Sonic Adventure, I'm hopeing their newest 2D venture will be good...
So you hate sonic Adventure 2 soley because it has a character in it that you don't like? Isn't gameplay supposed to be the core purpose for playing a game rather than having every character likeable? Sure shadow sucks, but he had good reason to be in SA2 as opposed to any game after that. He brought the speed platforming to the dark story arch of the game. The game wouldn't have survived without him. SA2 is still the last game of sonics golden age, your argument otherwise was ridiculous.
You know what Sonic lacks? Something that makes him identifiable as a brand.
Mario, Zelda, Metroid have their own universal themes that make them instantly identifable. World 1-1 is the most iconic theme song in all of gaming. Anyone who has heard it instantly knows where it's from.
What exactly makes Sonic's identifable? The Rings? The fact that he runs fast?
I think gameplay like Sonic's is best utilized in a 3-dimensional game. Until I played the early games enough times and learned exactly what would be where, I was too nervous to run full tilt in case I ran headlong into an enemy. The running-roll ability covers most of that, but you don't need, and can't really do, in the new games because you can see a great distance in front of you.
@zaku96 OK genius I'm asking you a question and I hope you can give me an answer: exactly WHAT about Shadow "owns" so much? Seriously, what is so good about Shadow the Fucking Hedgehog? Come on, think laddie, I hope you have an answer in there somewhere.
@ArcaneAzmadi i just thik he is cool i can think what i want. but you cany blame a single person for that all the games suck yes it went down when shadow and the oters joined in but thats when i think people got sick of sonic. there came other games with people with attitude. do you actully think for yourself or aer you bieng brainwashed
@juliakringstad Oh, I have a different opinion from you! That's IMPOSSIBLE so obviously I must be BEING BRAINWASHED!
Congratulations, you have just set a new standard in stupidity.
By the way, learn to spell before coming back with a response. You make the guy who said "We think Halo is a pretty cool guy. eh kills aleins and doesn't afraid of anything" sound smart.
Yeah, this whole thing is really sad. Sonic's right up there with poor Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, and Earthworm Jim in the annals of "One-Time Superstars". How do we save these once iconic heroes? Only cynics would seriously consider giving up on these guys, that's the *easy* way out. The better, though harder thing to do is give these guys new life. Because honestly, these guys were our heroes, and we want them to be our children's heroes too. Let's figure out how to save them together.
Shadow was perfectly acceptable in SA2, we didn't need his stupid ass back. But thanks to the fanboys, we're stuck with seeing this douchebag.
At least with Wario, he branched off into his OWN GOOD series and a very creative series of Minigames. Not to mention he's more creative and clever too. He's a wacky caricature of Mario's traits. Also, flipping Mario's "M" upside down to make a W? Genius.
Shadow is a generic putz. Oh he's black, so let's name him "Shadow". Holy shit that's creative.
I usually like the videos, but on this one you really missed the mark. While you made some true points I think you really missed the point here. You're trying a bit too hard.
Maybe 3D just isn't right for Sonic. It certainly didn't work for Castlevania. Just look at the N64 Castlevania games. I don't know who's fault it is, considering that Sega can still make really good games. Just look at House of the Dead Overkill! That game rocks! And Madworld is supposed to be really good too. And Bayonetta. Somehow, Sega knows what to do with every franchise BUT Sonic. So maybe, Sega should retire Sonic for a couple of years and revive Vectorman or Ristar or Kid Chameleon.
@GiantAnimeMech yes. Level design was shit, the team mechanic failed miserably, and the story fell short, so it is weird. But to each their own I guess :P
i do like your work but i feel that your being a bit arrogant, what right do you have to put shadow being sucking as "hard truth" what right do you have to determine what the "truth" of a characters worth is? you seem to like the handhelds but many people would say "its true they suck blaze sucks they all blow" even though its not true and you would not agree, i still like your work but i just felt that it was an out of place bit of arrogance coming from you
All I really wanna say is that Shadow wasn't quite that bad, and would be remembered more fondly if it weren't for the fact that they brought him back. Which was stupid. His character arc was done and he'd died as a hero, so why bring the character back?
@theauthorman123 Oh, right, he's 'angsty' and 'cool'. I agree that a lot of the new characters... really shouldn't be (though I don't mind Blaze as much because she's actually got an interesting character concept beyond 'annoying sidekick' or 'evil counterpart to Sonic', and I don't mind Rouge because Knuckles could use a love interest).
@theauthorman123 But, in the end, Sega probably won't go through with the whole 'let's stop making new characters' thing, because it worked for them with Knuckles, it worked for them with Shadow, and it works for them every time they come up with a new character the furries can draw porn of.
@theauthorman123 So, in the end, they're 'culling the fat', no matter how good an idea it would be, is something I don't see Sega doing anytime soon. Which is a shame, because the ideas put forth in this video are actually something I'd really want to play far more than a rehashing of the older games (which I'm not fond of; I don't like platformers that move faster than I can think).
@theauthorman123 (And yes, I'm aware that I'm responding to both videos at once here, and yes, I'm also aware that I talk too much. At least I put thought into my comments.)
argh christ not another sonic the hedgehog rant. whatever anyone has to say about sonic the hedgehog in recent years is very well known and such 10 minute videos tredding on familiar ground is just pointless
You bring up an interesting point Game Overthinker. Sonic's 90s-era "coolness", the introduction of a huge supporting cast (especially Shadow, whom I dislike both as an antihero and as a general character), and loss of his developer and subsequent lack of care by Sega, might've all lead to Sonic's... er... current dilemma. However, I do have quite a soft spot for Tails, whom I like the most out of the entire Sonic the Hedgehog series (even more than Sonic himself).
Fairly interesting, and fairly accurate too. I just have a few points:
The reason Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles (and Amy in Advance) work well, is because they all play differently. Unfortunately, pretty much all of the other characters are just reskins of these, and therefore suck.
I think Sonic Unleashed (PS360) was great, if you can look past the fact that there's a werehog in it for some reason. It was fast, branching paths that actually went somewhere. A step closer, but more needed.
I adore Sonic, but having clearly been born into the wrong generation (-___-;), it doesn't help me much. Though the extra characters they somehow popped in there were pretty fun in the Gameboy Advance version (the only one I actually HAD), I still somehow only remember the names of the early characters (that is, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and even Amy Rose). I wasn't around for some of the "Golden Age" but I can tell you, I miss Sonic as a character as much as I may one day miss Mario.
"SHADOW SUCKS!" To you..many to many I like the guy, so sue me, flame me all you want. "So are the rest of them" Well can't have a planet with just 3 talking animals a human a bunch of normal animals with unexplained cities, Right?
this is the complete hard truth and i agree with all that you said, im a big sonic fan and i admit the blue guy is close to impossible of reserrecting him and all i can do is just hope for the best and pray he can come back to what i remember him.
i still dont, and dont think i will ever, understand what the beef is with shadow. he kicks ass. if you have ever played shadow the hedgehog and seen sonic in it, he just pisses me off. and the first sonic game i played was sonic 2 on megadrive. so i know sonic's roots, and i still think shadow is awesome and his game is good.
I agree with most of this but I have a few arguements
First of all I ike Shadow but if you don't thats fine but I do agree that a lot of characters need to go. Sonic Tails Knuckles Eggman, Amy, Shadow and maybe Rouge (just so Shadow has a friend) can stay in the main series. Big needs to die cause he almost ruined SA1 the Chaotix can stick to heroes and some spin-offs and Blaze can stay in Rush. Just don't shoehorn them all into one game.
Current Sonic is certainly a dissapointment, but I think most gamers make it out to be way worse then it really is. I mean yeah, Sonic 06 sucked, and even though I personally liked it I can see why everyone else hates Shadow the Hedgehog. But two bad games =/= an entirely bad franchise. Most other games tend to be average, sometimes actually kinda good.
And I agree whole-heartedly that Sonic still has some great moments on the handhelds.
I agree. I don't care if I get thumbs downed, but the only thing I didn't like about Sonic 06 were the loading times. If they shortened/got rid of the loading, I would love the game.
Shadow the Hedgehog sucked. Other than those two, the Sonic franchise isn't all that bad. I just hope everyone shuts up when Sonic 4 is released.
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There's something that Sonic has that Mario doesn't, and what Sonic has is ruining his gaming career.
IT'S A PLOT.
I think they "reinvented" Sonic in his last best game Sonic Adventure and there's been consecutive sequels with him going in one direction. Mario doesn't have this and he can go whatever fucked up direction he wants, from Delfino Islands to sports games, to space. People don't care what Mario does but everyone has too many opinions on what Sonic should or should not do.
I remember the Chaotix. I don't like them whatsoever but I remember them. Sadly, without Yuji Naka and with Sega still having their "seniority = power" mindset, it'll still be a while before I believe Sonic will ever be truly prominent again.
Game Overthinker, what do you think of Sonic 4? Sega's finally trying to give nitpicky fans what they want, a 2D Retro-Style Sonic game with no recent characters, just Sonic, Robotnik, Badnicks, etc. I'm looking forward to it personally, though I consider the franchise overall to be an average one, with just as many bad games as good games. Well, I will say that Sega has at least been trying since Sonic '06 failed miserably.
the only time i liked shadow was sonic adventure 2 and sonic heroes. at least then he wasnt a total douchebag and instead a confused, yet rivalous alter ego of sonic. now, hes uninteresting and lame
Y'know what SonicThePlumber and amongallothers? screw you both. Don't you guys remember that it wasn't the new characters that were killing the series? It was the fucktards who were making crappy recolors and the ignorant asses at IGN who might've got to your mind and made you THINK that the series was dead. (In the words of Guptil89): "Guys... Sonic is not dying." The Big Blue dude won't die until we see his tombstone, And from my point of view: I don't think that will happen.... EVER!
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7:16 O_O PFFFFTHAHAHAHAHHAAAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!! ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!!?? that has got to be the stupidest reason to hate SA2. Shadow ain't that bad of a character. And most of the cast does suck but not all, I mean the only suckish ones there are is Cream, Cheese, Big, Froggy, Amy, Scratch, Grounder, and Coconuts. Anyway you need to get with the times man, SHIT BE GETTIN SERIOUS WITH THE SERIES NOW!!!!
I'm sorry bud, but shadow sucks. No one really cares about his story. I've talked to many people about the Sonic series and the one character/rival of Sonic that anyone really liked was Knuckles, who is infinitely better.
@amongallothers I think Hellsing920 said it best when he said that games are only about gameplay and nothing else. So characters shouldn't be an issue. It doesn't matter if shadow sucks or not, Just play the fucking game (and enjoy it!)
yeah dude 2 things.. 1 i agree sonic adventure was the last great sonic game.. some kids say sonic adventure 2 was great.. but that game was SO GAY.. so thank u for recognizing pt1's dominance over pt2
i think sonic adventure 2 was ok, but sonic adventure roundhouse kicked it's ass! and notice the last good sonic game was released on the LAST sega console. and wtf happened? sega decided to shotgun sonic in the head
Well said, man! I myself am a Sonic fan and this message needed to be said. You touched on a few things that are not very important, yet caused a crapload of trouble among the fanbase. I think Sonic started going downhill after Shadow was brought back. Heroes is a good game, but too many characters. Adventure 2 was a headache to me because they screwed up on so much. I only played Shadow against a cousin & left it at that. Sonic 2006 I felt was good, but it needed to be much better...
this is where me and you will have a argument i agreed with everything before and will likely agree with alot after but i love sonic and hell i grew up on nintendo and when i found sonic i honestly loved him and his shows and games are good sure not alot of the middle 3-d games are not good like shadow the hedgehog (the game i love the character) 06 and such but shadow and silver i like i do not get why people hate these guys sure 06 gameplay sucked but its story honestly had me glued
ouch. harsh! this sounds pretty 2009ishOHLOOKATDAT
VinnyVanYiffy 9 hours ago
I love how you give no reasoning behind your hatred of Sonic's supporters, like there is no reason to like them, even though they have thousands of fans that will eat you alive for simply saying anything that isn't positive about them.
Seriously, it's hilarious.
HFAlpha7 1 day ago
Q~Q this ep made me sad my name will tell it all
Xxfadedshadows1xX 5 days ago
Shadow sucks balls as an antagonist. From every perspective he brings nothing to the game.
RevolutionaryLoser 1 week ago
Sonic games weren't fixated on speed... the advertising was fixated on speed. This goes again to your general unwillingness to do your research. Another example of this is your Worst Person Shooter episode. How many times did you really move at speed in the Mega Drive Sonic games?
Disthron 2 weeks ago
Bro, you sound genuinely sad throughout this whole thing.
Ruach 2 weeks ago
This person is very misinformed on the franchise and it's origins.
tkaui 1 month ago
@tkaui Is he? The "counter mario" story is the one I've heard from every other source I've ever read or seen.
Gaiacarra 2 weeks ago
Are you really quick to say that SA2 sucked because of Shadow? You're really going to attract the ire of many Sonic fanboys, myself included. The gameplay was solid, compared to SA. Youa hate Shadow, fine. I hate Knuckles. Doesn't mean I avoided and denied myself OG Sonic 3 & Knuckles just cause I couldn't stand him.
thenikkumanchan 1 month ago in playlist More videos from moviebob 2
Adventure 2 wouldve been the last good sonic game had it not been for the Tails and Knuckles levels. The Sonic/Shadow levels where fantastic, but the other 2/3rds of the game was just so...meh.
Endgame81 1 month ago
Okay.....I really don't care about the other characters, but saying Shadow sucks is pretty much a big lie, I mean hes got a bigger backstory than Sonic.
Forfunaccount 1 month ago
Sonic, I'm sorry Sega...killed..you. my days as a 4 year old playing your genesis games...have been all but killed.
Lollipop708 1 month ago
Though I usually agree with your views on modern gaming, I have to draw a line here. We can all agree that Sonic '06 was a mess, and that there have been undesirable characters over the years, but the blue blur still has some great games. Sorry if you don't like seeing him as a werewolf or waving a sword, but Sega's trying this little thing called VARIETY. If you don't like it, I'm sure there's a post apocolyptic first person shooter in the works to pander to you, just like all the rest.
darkfinalhazard 1 month ago
i would watch Quailman beyond
BrutticusForce 1 month ago
Shadow is a badass IMO. He did decay a bit in some games but I seriously disagree with you on that one Bob.
Neocasko 1 month ago
Shadow The Hedgehog was the first Sonic game I ever played man. T.T I happen to like Shadow.
Also, I liked the overall gameplay of Sonic Unleashed. The plot was less than amazing BUT it was nice playing the night missions to beat the pulp out of things and play the day missons for some nice old school 'all speed'.
Sonic and the Secret Rings SUCKED.
Haven't played Black Knight.
And Next Gen was okay.
kovulover 2 months ago
@kovulover TBH, Sonic and the Secret Rings is a mixed-bag, as for Next Gen, well...I don't want to make a rant about it but it's definitely my least favorite Sonic game.
Neocasko 1 month ago
@kovulover I mean, my least favorite 3D Sonic game.
Neocasko 1 month ago
the nostalgia was 2 much
sonic
doug
urkel
All I need was me being 7 during christmas and i would BE SO FACKING HAPPY TEARS OF JOY
grn100cash 2 months ago
I don't care what you say, Bob. Sonic Adventure 2 is a fucking AWESOME game!
Not to mention WAAAAAAAY better than the first Sonic Adventure.
And also, in my opinion, the overall best Sonic game ever.
WolfieboyMachi 3 months ago
As others have brought up, there always has been a bit of an exploration element to Sonic, though it kind of depended on your playstyle. Either way, the level design centered around multiple routes and hidden objects, so saying that 2D Sonic had fixed linearity really doesn't do it justice.
I'd say the problem with a lot of the more recent titles up until the last couple of years were forced gimmicks, not that speed and platforming don't work in 3D. Colors and Generations show otherwise.
gamefan06 3 months ago
Sonic Generations officially broke the cycle.
Lunarvx22 3 months ago
I think the problem is this: poor development. Not particularly for only one or two characters, and not for everyone, but the deal is that the timeline is getting screwed with.
Sonic Colors rocked in my opinion, and I'm hearing good things about Generations, so I'm not worried.
I don't know about you guys, but if a company ever so DEARLY want's to rid of their mascot, they announce it publicly and get it over with fast,. That, or they die if it's a video game or something like that.
superpiejr146 4 months ago
Personally, I could live without Doug thank you very much.
Launchpad05 5 months ago
@Launchpad05 mario is not cool he is durable i mean how else is he suposed to survive so long
httm241 5 months ago
At the headquarters of SEGA, mysterious hooded figure kicked down the door. No one knows this person's name, nor would anyone say it if you asked. With a commanding voice they announced, "SONIC MUST BE SAVED!" All at SEGA dropped their work and turned in awe to face the hooded person. The idea was explained, and given a name, "Sonic COLORS". Jaws wide, every man and woman faced each other and said, "By God, this is genius!" The staff made to thank them, but they had gone. Now we may never know.
PSshadow92 5 months ago
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PSshadow92 5 months ago
I think you avoided the fact that even the Genesis games (and also the Sega CD game) all featured level design with a heavy emphasis on multiple routes and explorable secret areas. One of the common criticisms of recent Sonic games is that they either focus too much on nonlinear gameplay and little on speed, or vice versa.
I think that's why Sonic Colors is the best 3D Sonic to date, because it finally found the perfect balance between the two.
kingboobs20 5 months ago
So let me get this straight ... Problems with sonic.
1) Being "cool" isn't universal
2) His gameplay only works in 2-D so the future is not in his favor
3) Over complication, especially in story and characters
Did i get it straight?
626Link 5 months ago
I never really cared for sonic or mario, never really favoured one brand of videogame over the other. I guess getting incredibly emotionally attached to multinational corporations and their vapid mascots is a bit of an American thing.
KantorekBaumerB14 5 months ago
There may be a fairly LARGE amount of sonic characters, but I still wouldn't mind if they brought back some of the REALLY old characters like fang the sniper or mighty the armadillo. Big the cat on the other hand can go the way of the dinosaurs if nobody minds.
Rankerquat 6 months ago
Sonic Advance was my first game. Sonic adventure 2 Battle for the gamecube is one of my all time favorite games. You know what they both had..... the chao garden. To me, I loved how you could raise and grow the chao to a new form based on their skills.
DjZaiAlazi 6 months ago
I liked SONIC colors and had never played a sonic game beforehand. There I said it! :)
Rankerquat 7 months ago
The 360/PS3 version of Sonic Unleashed was amazing. No one gave it a chance.
hypertreb 7 months ago
lol i like shadow
starman1165 7 months ago
i really dont see the problem with sonic; i think you over thinking gamers just bitch for no reason. i mean what exactly is the problem? the problem is that he runs fast? i dont get it.
ZayLong 8 months ago
@ZayLong No, you don't. You really *don't* get it. lol
RhamosVhailejh 7 months ago
@RhamosVhailejh thanks for the redundant remark.
ZayLong 7 months ago
@ZayLong Yes. Yes, it was. You're right. I'm sorry. <3
RhamosVhailejh 7 months ago
Shadow to me is just a case of wasted character. He pretty used up all of his goods after SA2. Now he only exists as another hapless Sonic sidekick with no purpose or reason. He was was executed well, cheapened, and now is at the point of no redemption. He sucks.
The only characters I see getting any love are Amy and Tails. Both playing proper sidekick roles in the last major Sonic games (Unleashed and Colors). I applaud Sega for that instead of shoehorning shitty sidekicks all over the place.
EdmacZ 8 months ago
It's odd that SEGA are now rekindling the memories of the franchises' Golden Age, when they should've done that 10 years earlier. SEGA don't really know what way suits for Sonic to make his transition to 3D; the series is desperate for relevance really from the hardcore gaming culture. Sonic Colours was pretty good, but if SEGA really want their fans back, they need to understand what made Sonic truly great. Hopefully Generations will achieve this =)
GameMation1 8 months ago
What do we like about Sonic?
Speed
The Music
Make sonic a Rhythm Action game. Solved.
LewisDunnHasOpinions 9 months ago
@LewisDunnHasOpinions AGREED.
superpiejr146 4 months ago
We can all agree that Sonic really sucks..
But hating on Shadow? D:
DeathEaterChic16 9 months ago
So...2 years later...anything change?
skellington15 10 months ago
The game I played was for some reason called sonic dx , not sonic adventure . this is the 1st time I even see the title sonic adventure . and I have to say : this game ROCKS . it is the last 'old style" game I know . Yes it's not side scrolling but I don't give a !@#$% I play it over and over once in maybe 2 years . the same I do with TMNT , not TMNT2 though , sometimes the series are worse then the original . tmnt2 is not bad , but not better , which is the point of a series , to be better .
freezman13 10 months ago
@freezman13 DX was the Gamecube remake. Pretty much the same game.
On-topic, Sonic 4 looks like bargaining with increasing desperation. "I'm just how you remember me! Why won't you love me again?!"
Xick 10 months ago
Sonic 4's a nice start.
Now we need a JRPG sequel to Phantasy Star IV and a proper tactical RPG Shining Force (or minimum, a worldwide release of enhanced Shining Force 3 port). Sega's far TOO stupid to do either of these two things, let alone do either right,
CommieCowboy 10 months ago
@CommieCowboy The 'nice start' was Sonic Advance 1, then (imo) they screwed that up completely with 2 and 3.
RabidKanid 10 months ago
Ironic, you moan about the "evil version of the hero" character cliché here yet you're fucking up your own show with a piss poor "storyline" involving an evil clone called the Anti-Thinker... what a hypocrite.
TornadoCreator 11 months ago
@TornadoCreator
Just pointing out, he said he thought Shadow was the worst evil clone in gaming, not that the entire idea of evil clone/twin/ect. was inherently bad.
GruntLogic 11 months ago
@GruntLogic
True. I still feel it's somewhat hypocritical though as he heavily implies that the "evil version of the hero" cliché is poor storytelling at it's roots and then does it himself to pad out his videos when he really doesn't need to.
TornadoCreator 11 months ago
Stormwarrior? YOU ROCK MAN!
Himotary 11 months ago
HEY!.......don't talk shit about Adventures of Sonic The Hedgehog.........PINGAS!
kayokango 11 months ago
If I get your message correctly...are you suggesting that Sonic start appearing and disappearing in clouds of smoke, and appearing in Hulk Hogans mirror?
TheBrianJ 1 year ago
big the cat need to comit suicide
bigal2k643 1 year ago
Yes, Bob, I would fucking love to see Doug Funny again. That was one of my early childhood shows (I'm 18). I'd love to see a few new episodes again...but not several new seasons. If the understood "they" were to do that, they would make the franchise shit, as they have with Sonic. Just kill him. He's not coming back.
FireScythe1992 1 year ago
Am I the only one who thinks the Mario Series is awesome, but that mario himself is a crap characthers? Hes a fat plumber with no real persoanlity and an offensivley over the top accent?
DuskBeforeDawn2008 1 year ago
Ok, Shadow was awesome in Adventure 2...maybe not so much in the later games, but in Adventure 2, he was badass! And the main thing that keeps me a huge sonic fan is that sonic was my first video game ever! There is no replacing the awesome memories I had as a kid playing sonic games and I truly hope there will be some sort of revival for him...in fact, I hear colors wasn't too bad...
Also yes, I would love to see Doug brought back...that would hopefully add a good cartoon to this generation...
SD91 1 year ago 8
OMG! DOUG.
Bring back Doug.
alZiiHardstylez 1 year ago 9
Modern consoles can't have a good Sonic game because they don't have blast processing.
leahcim8597 1 year ago
I have some old Sonic sweaters that I wore when I was a kid, one of them was just Sonic looking at you with a shit eating grin over a caption that said "dude with a 'tude." That is SO 90's I laugh out loud every time I think of it. But I'm one of the fans who can actually reconcile the separate continuities of the games and the cartoon/comic and enjoy both for what they are. I am often shocked to find out what a small minority of the fandom I'm actually IN.
wakeangel2001 1 year ago
doug went hard and after supermario brothers i stop paying attention
ratherunique870 1 year ago
i must say one thing about sonic the hedgehog.
yes the game was shit as hell. but daim it had a good sound track! thats all i say. music = great . the rest...........
void735 1 year ago
"It's better to burn out than fade away."
If only Sonic could have spoken to Cobain...
ThatDaveDude1 1 year ago
You know, Sonic's legacy is like a rock Star who had an awesome rise, but now his fall, he is struggling to appease the fans and get new ones but fail in both regards. Will he ever rise to the top, or will he fade into the void. I hope not. I'm rooting for the Hedgehog, Ten-K Dec. 31, 2010
Tenkagethewise 1 year ago
"Separate syndicated Sonic series sucked." That's a tongue twister.
danieldb631 1 year ago
Bob, why did you have to remind us of the One Warrior Nation? That was just mean.
JimBillBumblefuck 1 year ago
I liked Shadow, when he was a "single-game-character"...
because, you know...
Shadow WAS supposed to die on Adventure 2, though it kinda made a bit of sense in Heroes by having Rouge finding a storage full of shadow clones
but really, I liked that he was supposed to be dead when his personal story was finished
Minority119 1 year ago
@Minority119 Yeah, there was nothing wrong with Shadow in general. It's what they did with him thats terrible.
Sparrow476 1 year ago
I feel kinda bad about it, but I admit that I do like most of the characters they've slapped on over the years. Yes, we didn't need any of them really, but I couldn't help but get attached to them. :\
Shadow should've just stayed dead after Sonic Adventure 2. I LOVED him in SA2, could deal with him in Sonic Heroes, but Sonic Team completely ruined him after that. I almost feel like they've done worse to him than to Sonic.
WrathOfSam 1 year ago
get over it and mind your own bussiness its not nice to fuck up chilrens lives when they hear this
sugarlilly321 1 year ago
sonic silver shadow and every body else on the sonic team rules more kids prefer including my prefer sonic characters over mario because sonic keeps any age of kids hipped up while mario requires a lot of thinking to get to each level sonic is a better game better mascot because he represents childrens wildness and ability to explore with no boundaries we children prefer to have a little spark in our life yeah sega fucked up sonic so what some of the games are still fun to play you should just
sugarlilly321 1 year ago
@sugarlilly321 Well, Mario did teach me how to use proper spelling and grammar. And how to use punctuation... so that's something.
DelphanGruss 1 year ago
All I'm hearing here is that Sonic sucks because of the story. Whether Sonic's on Mobius or Earth doesn't change a damn thing, how 'cool' he looks to the audience is a matter for marketing, not game design and there could be a new hedgehog for every game as far as I'm concerned because their appearance doesn't necessarily have to change the way it plays.
3D being difficult to work with is the only relevant part and that has never been an issue with the numerous portable titles released so far.
Somefurfag 1 year ago
As far Sonic backstories go, you forgot to mention the U.S. promotional comic that was released in 1991.
luisrox94 1 year ago
@luisrox94 The Archie comics and the novels? They're not canon with the games.
JohnnyD1986 1 year ago
@JohnnyD1986: I'm talking about the promotional comic that came out around the same time as the original game's U.S. debut. The Archie comics didn't start until 1993.
luisrox94 1 year ago
07:44 -Kind of interesting that you also thought of him as a loner before he ended up hanging off all of the other characters, I was starting to think it was just me.
MissMysterics 1 year ago
Personally the whole Japese and American backstories never confused me, both were true, is that so hard?
MissMysterics 1 year ago
sonic adventure 2 is still good because of the chao garden.
gathimest 1 year ago
:P The fact that we all know what he means when he says a Poochie just shows how powerful the Simpons is. :P
Also, with Sonic Colors and Sonic 4, I think we need a sequal to this pair of videos.
iGamr 1 year ago
...they went the megaman route...
viking977 1 year ago
@viking977 ...Have you even heard of Sonic Colors? It looks promising (so far... now we just wait for the gimmick that kills it :P)
I think it could work.
And Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing seems to show that Sega isn't too bad at making spin-offs... or at least they got lucky.
iGamr 1 year ago
keep shadow!!!!!!!
theminimanx 1 year ago
Sonic was marketed as a "Poochie", but he actually draws motifs from timeless characters like Felix the Cat and Bugs Bunny.
Sonic's character design compared to most Poochies is actually pretty simple. Sonic has a spiky haircut, he's blue, and the only thing he wears in terms of clothes is his red sneakers. No features that were considered "cool" in the 90's as outdated today. The "cool" marketing campaign may be outdated, but the character itself isn't.
EdmacZ 1 year ago
Sega DOES what NintenDON'T... Not fight the old video game wars?! Oh I'll fight it... I'll fight it...
Ghost Rider the movie sucked balls... Sonic CD rocked and I wish they finished that one game based on the freedom fighting cartoon show... It had stealth, which some people say is anti-sonic, but honestly it looked pretty awesome and could be a nice mix... Sadly you are correct about every sonic game post Sonic Adventure, I'm hopeing their newest 2D venture will be good...
RunandGunPictures 1 year ago
The Alex Kidd Games are on VC right? Sega, don't give up on Alex. He can still be awesome. IF, you put time and effort into him.
PickPikmin 1 year ago
NAW'-STAL'-juh (Nostalgia) ...two stress marks.
lol no offense
d4u7211 1 year ago
So you hate sonic Adventure 2 soley because it has a character in it that you don't like? Isn't gameplay supposed to be the core purpose for playing a game rather than having every character likeable? Sure shadow sucks, but he had good reason to be in SA2 as opposed to any game after that. He brought the speed platforming to the dark story arch of the game. The game wouldn't have survived without him. SA2 is still the last game of sonics golden age, your argument otherwise was ridiculous.
jordanshuriken 1 year ago
You know what Sonic lacks? Something that makes him identifiable as a brand.
Mario, Zelda, Metroid have their own universal themes that make them instantly identifable. World 1-1 is the most iconic theme song in all of gaming. Anyone who has heard it instantly knows where it's from.
What exactly makes Sonic's identifable? The Rings? The fact that he runs fast?
EdmacZ 1 year ago
@EdmacZ you are right but you forgot one thing he got attitude
juliakringstad 1 year ago
I think gameplay like Sonic's is best utilized in a 3-dimensional game. Until I played the early games enough times and learned exactly what would be where, I was too nervous to run full tilt in case I ran headlong into an enemy. The running-roll ability covers most of that, but you don't need, and can't really do, in the new games because you can see a great distance in front of you.
Jonruy 1 year ago 2
shadow owns and you suck game overthinker
zaku96 1 year ago
@zaku96 OK genius I'm asking you a question and I hope you can give me an answer: exactly WHAT about Shadow "owns" so much? Seriously, what is so good about Shadow the Fucking Hedgehog? Come on, think laddie, I hope you have an answer in there somewhere.
ArcaneAzmadi 1 year ago
@ArcaneAzmadi i just thik he is cool i can think what i want. but you cany blame a single person for that all the games suck yes it went down when shadow and the oters joined in but thats when i think people got sick of sonic. there came other games with people with attitude. do you actully think for yourself or aer you bieng brainwashed
juliakringstad 1 year ago
@juliakringstad Oh, I have a different opinion from you! That's IMPOSSIBLE so obviously I must be BEING BRAINWASHED!
Congratulations, you have just set a new standard in stupidity.
By the way, learn to spell before coming back with a response. You make the guy who said "We think Halo is a pretty cool guy. eh kills aleins and doesn't afraid of anything" sound smart.
ArcaneAzmadi 1 year ago
@No he doesn't. Shadow is the worst character in the game.
Chdonga 1 year ago
@Chdonga which game
juliakringstad 1 year ago
Yeah, this whole thing is really sad. Sonic's right up there with poor Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, and Earthworm Jim in the annals of "One-Time Superstars". How do we save these once iconic heroes? Only cynics would seriously consider giving up on these guys, that's the *easy* way out. The better, though harder thing to do is give these guys new life. Because honestly, these guys were our heroes, and we want them to be our children's heroes too. Let's figure out how to save them together.
GreyWolfLeaderTW 1 year ago 2
Shadow was perfectly acceptable in SA2, we didn't need his stupid ass back. But thanks to the fanboys, we're stuck with seeing this douchebag.
At least with Wario, he branched off into his OWN GOOD series and a very creative series of Minigames. Not to mention he's more creative and clever too. He's a wacky caricature of Mario's traits. Also, flipping Mario's "M" upside down to make a W? Genius.
Shadow is a generic putz. Oh he's black, so let's name him "Shadow". Holy shit that's creative.
EdmacZ 1 year ago
I usually like the videos, but on this one you really missed the mark. While you made some true points I think you really missed the point here. You're trying a bit too hard.
SomethingSimpler 1 year ago
Maybe 3D just isn't right for Sonic. It certainly didn't work for Castlevania. Just look at the N64 Castlevania games. I don't know who's fault it is, considering that Sega can still make really good games. Just look at House of the Dead Overkill! That game rocks! And Madworld is supposed to be really good too. And Bayonetta. Somehow, Sega knows what to do with every franchise BUT Sonic. So maybe, Sega should retire Sonic for a couple of years and revive Vectorman or Ristar or Kid Chameleon.
CrazyCheeseMagee 1 year ago
lmao doug
itsBarcode 1 year ago
is it wierd that i actually liked sonic heroes?
GiantAnimeMech 1 year ago
@GiantAnimeMech yes. Level design was shit, the team mechanic failed miserably, and the story fell short, so it is weird. But to each their own I guess :P
Exdeath47 1 year ago
i do like your work but i feel that your being a bit arrogant, what right do you have to put shadow being sucking as "hard truth" what right do you have to determine what the "truth" of a characters worth is? you seem to like the handhelds but many people would say "its true they suck blaze sucks they all blow" even though its not true and you would not agree, i still like your work but i just felt that it was an out of place bit of arrogance coming from you
KenshiImmortalWolf 1 year ago
All I really wanna say is that Shadow wasn't quite that bad, and would be remembered more fondly if it weren't for the fact that they brought him back. Which was stupid. His character arc was done and he'd died as a hero, so why bring the character back?
theauthorman123 1 year ago
@theauthorman123 Oh, right, he's 'angsty' and 'cool'. I agree that a lot of the new characters... really shouldn't be (though I don't mind Blaze as much because she's actually got an interesting character concept beyond 'annoying sidekick' or 'evil counterpart to Sonic', and I don't mind Rouge because Knuckles could use a love interest).
theauthorman123 1 year ago
@theauthorman123 But, in the end, Sega probably won't go through with the whole 'let's stop making new characters' thing, because it worked for them with Knuckles, it worked for them with Shadow, and it works for them every time they come up with a new character the furries can draw porn of.
theauthorman123 1 year ago
@theauthorman123 So, in the end, they're 'culling the fat', no matter how good an idea it would be, is something I don't see Sega doing anytime soon. Which is a shame, because the ideas put forth in this video are actually something I'd really want to play far more than a rehashing of the older games (which I'm not fond of; I don't like platformers that move faster than I can think).
theauthorman123 1 year ago
@theauthorman123 (And yes, I'm aware that I'm responding to both videos at once here, and yes, I'm also aware that I talk too much. At least I put thought into my comments.)
theauthorman123 1 year ago
argh christ not another sonic the hedgehog rant. whatever anyone has to say about sonic the hedgehog in recent years is very well known and such 10 minute videos tredding on familiar ground is just pointless
shadow40k0 1 year ago
You bring up an interesting point Game Overthinker. Sonic's 90s-era "coolness", the introduction of a huge supporting cast (especially Shadow, whom I dislike both as an antihero and as a general character), and loss of his developer and subsequent lack of care by Sega, might've all lead to Sonic's... er... current dilemma. However, I do have quite a soft spot for Tails, whom I like the most out of the entire Sonic the Hedgehog series (even more than Sonic himself).
ShadowWolfTJC 1 year ago
Fairly interesting, and fairly accurate too. I just have a few points:
The reason Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles (and Amy in Advance) work well, is because they all play differently. Unfortunately, pretty much all of the other characters are just reskins of these, and therefore suck.
I think Sonic Unleashed (PS360) was great, if you can look past the fact that there's a werehog in it for some reason. It was fast, branching paths that actually went somewhere. A step closer, but more needed.
Bovineprogrammer 1 year ago
I adore Sonic, but having clearly been born into the wrong generation (-___-;), it doesn't help me much. Though the extra characters they somehow popped in there were pretty fun in the Gameboy Advance version (the only one I actually HAD), I still somehow only remember the names of the early characters (that is, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and even Amy Rose). I wasn't around for some of the "Golden Age" but I can tell you, I miss Sonic as a character as much as I may one day miss Mario.
Scinasari 1 year ago
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You didnt talk about the sonic game for the 32X. Am I the only one who remembers that add on for the genesis?
deathraiderps 1 year ago
You didnt talk about the sonic game for the 32X. Am I the only one who remembers that add on for the genesis?
deathraiderps 1 year ago
"SHADOW SUCKS!" To you..many to many I like the guy, so sue me, flame me all you want. "So are the rest of them" Well can't have a planet with just 3 talking animals a human a bunch of normal animals with unexplained cities, Right?
blazingsonic 1 year ago
this is the complete hard truth and i agree with all that you said, im a big sonic fan and i admit the blue guy is close to impossible of reserrecting him and all i can do is just hope for the best and pray he can come back to what i remember him.
Gang3rs 1 year ago
i still dont, and dont think i will ever, understand what the beef is with shadow. he kicks ass. if you have ever played shadow the hedgehog and seen sonic in it, he just pisses me off. and the first sonic game i played was sonic 2 on megadrive. so i know sonic's roots, and i still think shadow is awesome and his game is good.
NA3LKER 1 year ago
I agree with most of this but I have a few arguements
First of all I ike Shadow but if you don't thats fine but I do agree that a lot of characters need to go. Sonic Tails Knuckles Eggman, Amy, Shadow and maybe Rouge (just so Shadow has a friend) can stay in the main series. Big needs to die cause he almost ruined SA1 the Chaotix can stick to heroes and some spin-offs and Blaze can stay in Rush. Just don't shoehorn them all into one game.
JacobTails123 1 year ago
You're Ultimate Warrior WCW reference literally just made my entire month. A splash of well placed brilliance sir.
earnhardtrush8 2 years ago
>aosth
>sucked
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
no.
PRETYPRINCESSPATCHES 2 years ago
Current Sonic is certainly a dissapointment, but I think most gamers make it out to be way worse then it really is. I mean yeah, Sonic 06 sucked, and even though I personally liked it I can see why everyone else hates Shadow the Hedgehog. But two bad games =/= an entirely bad franchise. Most other games tend to be average, sometimes actually kinda good.
And I agree whole-heartedly that Sonic still has some great moments on the handhelds.
gamefan06 2 years ago
@gamefan06
I agree. I don't care if I get thumbs downed, but the only thing I didn't like about Sonic 06 were the loading times. If they shortened/got rid of the loading, I would love the game.
Shadow the Hedgehog sucked. Other than those two, the Sonic franchise isn't all that bad. I just hope everyone shuts up when Sonic 4 is released.
Nellis4543 1 year ago
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There's something that Sonic has that Mario doesn't, and what Sonic has is ruining his gaming career.
IT'S A PLOT.
I think they "reinvented" Sonic in his last best game Sonic Adventure and there's been consecutive sequels with him going in one direction. Mario doesn't have this and he can go whatever fucked up direction he wants, from Delfino Islands to sports games, to space. People don't care what Mario does but everyone has too many opinions on what Sonic should or should not do.
skellington15 2 years ago
I remember the Chaotix. I don't like them whatsoever but I remember them. Sadly, without Yuji Naka and with Sega still having their "seniority = power" mindset, it'll still be a while before I believe Sonic will ever be truly prominent again.
Jyagos1 2 years ago
I like this guy.
cursedswordsman 2 years ago
Game Overthinker, what do you think of Sonic 4? Sega's finally trying to give nitpicky fans what they want, a 2D Retro-Style Sonic game with no recent characters, just Sonic, Robotnik, Badnicks, etc. I'm looking forward to it personally, though I consider the franchise overall to be an average one, with just as many bad games as good games. Well, I will say that Sega has at least been trying since Sonic '06 failed miserably.
CrazyCheeseMagee 2 years ago 2
He just hasn't seen the movie...
Mithos11 2 years ago
ummm hell yea i wanna see what Doug's been up to after all these years. Do that! Someone do that!!
truegem13 2 years ago
I have to disagree on the cast of Sonic. I actually like that series' characters.
YoYoCheese6 2 years ago
they tock the mega man rout
or did you talk about that in part 2
supperanter5000 2 years ago
the only time i liked shadow was sonic adventure 2 and sonic heroes. at least then he wasnt a total douchebag and instead a confused, yet rivalous alter ego of sonic. now, hes uninteresting and lame
tubeview96 2 years ago 22
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your a f***ing retarded douchbag
gman5455 2 years ago
"you're" grammar sucks :)
MarkusLMC29 2 years ago
well at least there keeping him alive i still like him, also there making a ds collection of those four games
herotrev 2 years ago
Y'know what SonicThePlumber and amongallothers? screw you both. Don't you guys remember that it wasn't the new characters that were killing the series? It was the fucktards who were making crappy recolors and the ignorant asses at IGN who might've got to your mind and made you THINK that the series was dead. (In the words of Guptil89): "Guys... Sonic is not dying." The Big Blue dude won't die until we see his tombstone, And from my point of view: I don't think that will happen.... EVER!
sonicmarioTDfan347 2 years ago
Ah come on Bob, why all the hate?
Why do you hate Waluigi?
ninjawraith17 2 years ago
@ninjawraith17 He's unoriginal, he was created specifically to fill a character slot in a spin-off, he-
TOO BAD, WALUIGI TIME!
Rubberman202 2 years ago 2
Fuck that....Doug was awesome...and Patty Mayonnaise...and skeeter...and Porkchop
Menacex7 2 years ago
6:10 I remember reading those comic books. I loved them.
loluntilmypie 2 years ago
Adventure 2 is better solely because of no big the cat
Natendo64 2 years ago
two words project needle mouse &
Waluigi is AWSOME he is my fave mario char
and shadow is awsome as well!
niker411 2 years ago
@niker411
he made this before it was anounced and hasn't really said anything about it in his overthinker episodes.
CobraStarship10 2 years ago
Needlemouse Bob? Do you think you may have had an influence on that one?
41dhos 2 years ago
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7:16 O_O PFFFFTHAHAHAHAHHAAAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!! ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!!?? that has got to be the stupidest reason to hate SA2. Shadow ain't that bad of a character. And most of the cast does suck but not all, I mean the only suckish ones there are is Cream, Cheese, Big, Froggy, Amy, Scratch, Grounder, and Coconuts. Anyway you need to get with the times man, SHIT BE GETTIN SERIOUS WITH THE SERIES NOW!!!!
sonicmarioTDfan347 2 years ago
Are your parents related?
SonicthePlumber 2 years ago
Are yours?
amongallothers 2 years ago
I'm sorry bud, but shadow sucks. No one really cares about his story. I've talked to many people about the Sonic series and the one character/rival of Sonic that anyone really liked was Knuckles, who is infinitely better.
amongallothers 2 years ago 2
@amongallothers I think Hellsing920 said it best when he said that games are only about gameplay and nothing else. So characters shouldn't be an issue. It doesn't matter if shadow sucks or not, Just play the fucking game (and enjoy it!)
sonicmarioTDfan347 2 years ago
@amongallothers BTW say that to all the shadow fangirls, come back from the hospital from your injuries and say that to me again.
sonicmarioTDfan347 2 years ago
Dude, fangirls of all types are fatasses.
Shadow sucks giant black cock.
SonicthePlumber 2 years ago
i never owned a sega console in my life
i've been always nintendo since the 90s
satsugekibukouken 2 years ago
That's too bad.
SonicthePlumber 2 years ago
hey, sonic unleashed was pretty good. i didnt mind werehog, but there was too much of him. the day stages were amazing though.
UgliStiK14 2 years ago
new 2d games on wiiware?
Palau7747 2 years ago
If you mean Sonic 4, then yes.
SonicthePlumber 2 years ago
Sonic 4...... with no Shadow......... sweet.
amongallothers 2 years ago 5
yeah dude 2 things.. 1 i agree sonic adventure was the last great sonic game.. some kids say sonic adventure 2 was great.. but that game was SO GAY.. so thank u for recognizing pt1's dominance over pt2
the other thing is.. BRING DOUG FUNNIE BACK!!!!!!
videoshirt 2 years ago
i think sonic adventure 2 was ok, but sonic adventure roundhouse kicked it's ass! and notice the last good sonic game was released on the LAST sega console. and wtf happened? sega decided to shotgun sonic in the head
ps3beatswii 2 years ago
Im still wondering why people think Sonic became horrible after TWO, thats right, TWO horrible games.
lucariotrainer16 2 years ago 2
Sonic Heroes wasn't horrible, It was just lame. Sonic 06 was horrible.
SonicthePlumber 2 years ago
Well said, man! I myself am a Sonic fan and this message needed to be said. You touched on a few things that are not very important, yet caused a crapload of trouble among the fanbase. I think Sonic started going downhill after Shadow was brought back. Heroes is a good game, but too many characters. Adventure 2 was a headache to me because they screwed up on so much. I only played Shadow against a cousin & left it at that. Sonic 2006 I felt was good, but it needed to be much better...
Ghaleonh41 2 years ago 2
this is where me and you will have a argument i agreed with everything before and will likely agree with alot after but i love sonic and hell i grew up on nintendo and when i found sonic i honestly loved him and his shows and games are good sure not alot of the middle 3-d games are not good like shadow the hedgehog (the game i love the character) 06 and such but shadow and silver i like i do not get why people hate these guys sure 06 gameplay sucked but its story honestly had me glued
KenshiImmortalWolf 2 years ago
You must not have seen the ending. Nothing but animal rape.
SonicthePlumber 2 years ago
Actually, Sa2 was, in my opinion, was an amazing game, because Shadow was actually GOOD.
Shadow in SA2: Sonic's new rival. A dark history. Avenging his only friend. Helping Eggman.
Shadow now: An emo that, apparently, has amnesia. Uses guns and cars. Isn't taken seriously.
iRetroify 2 years ago