Tourists on the north are allowed to point and wave, have no dress code restrictions, and can consume alcohol beforehand. Ironic, seeing that the south is a free country and the north is a repressive dictatorship.
@criskity Because the South wants to maintain an agressive frightening stature against the north. Flinching, Blinking, talking, to the north means peaceful and they don't want that.
I would hate to have to handle these dumb tourists to the DMZ, they have to be told over and over again, don't point, don't wave still they do this?....it's a rule period! Yet people are disrespectful and do what they want anyways....bunch of children so annoying.
Not that terrorisng and frightening! I have visited North Korea few years ago. I don't find any shortage of food. All I can say is they need to change and reform like china to make progress. Then there will be light at the other end of the turnel.
It is allowed to wave and point for tourist from the North side ad the DMZ Border to the South side. I saw in a Docu made by the Chinese. America build a nice show there with the bridge of no return story's about Checkpoints 1 till 57 and tours given by the military's if their are in America. While there is also backdoor: China. If China would take control in the North some day Amerika is face to face with China in their nice blue DMZ buildings.
The communists are the greatest mass murderers of history. I keep repeating this to you it never quite seems to registerin your brain. In WWII, the total of all dead on all sides is placed @ around 50 million. In China alone, under Mao, the dead are commonly estimated @ around 40 million. Stalin murdered several millions as well in the 30s b/f WWII. He also started WWII as Hitler's ALLY. Spying on communist is an existential necessity, it is survival. These monsters were dangerous.
I see that lack of research as afghi420 mentioned has confused you. Kim Il-Sung and his POS son made North Korea - they decided not to reform, to torture. China has for years tried to convince Kim Jong-Il to make economic and social reforms so his people wouldn't starve, but have now largely given up because he just won't do it. Sigh.
China did it for its own interest - so that US troops won't be right at the Yalu, which would threaten China and cause it to waste resources stationing military there. Ever heard of geopolitics? The US does it too - do some research on Saudi Arabia. Like I said, do some research! There are no saints in the world, only interest. Even Mother Teresa had quite a few skeletons in her closet, though I still admire her work.
Oh, and if the US did not intervene and let the DPRK conquer the whole peninsula, then there would be no paranoia in Korea - there won't be US troops just south of the border to threaten them! Then they would emulate China and undertake economic reforms, and all Koreans, not just Koreans who were lucky enough to live south of the 38th parallel, would be prosperous. And Asia would also be much more stable, since the US would only have a military presence in Japan.
@Bournetolive: There would be NO Kim Il-Sung in Korea if the PRC had not kept him in power in the Korean War. The Beijing regime uses the DPRK gov't to destablize the Korean & other Asian gov'ts. These gov'ts can't focus on economics & developement w/ having to worry about this lunatic regime. The Russians used N. Korea for their cynical purposes, & now so does the PRC.
Then blame Stalin, don't just blame China. The Soviets divided the peninsula, and the Americans agreed. Not that Mao would have accepted domination of America on entire peninsula - remember this my friend, no American troops can be allowed to be stationed allow the Yalu! China cannot allow US easy land access to Chinese mainland. Clear?
@Bournetolive: The U.S. agreed to a temporary arrangement to adminster territories taken from the Axis allies until post war arrangements could be made. The Korean were meant to govern their own affairs, as they do in the South. Stalin did give Kim the go ahead to invade his fellows, but Mao sent the troops to prop up the psychopaths who now rule in N. Korea. Kim was defeated, there would be no U.S. troops in Korea at all if the need to keep back the PRRK lunatics didn't exist.
Is that what you think - you think the US wouldn't station troops in Korea when it is right next to China aand USSR? Don't be naive - the US would at least build tons of SIGINT stations and dig tunnels to intercept communications and messages. China would have been impeded in some way in its attempts to industrialize Manchuria further - remember, most of China's arms industry was and still is located there. The US wouldn't give up an opportunity like this - it is not a saint.
@Bournetolive: You really are utterly clueless. It was only as a reaction to communist regimes global military ambitions that the U.S. felt any need to maintain a standing military force overseas. You can go back & study the very open & public discussions about the post war world then going on in the U.S. No one expected any permanent stationing of troops in Europe or Asia. The whole push for the U.S. at the end of the war was to send everyone home. Learn to think for yourself.
I do think for myself - I'm an agnostic, for starters. I know what you are talking about - that is why US only left a ill equipped force behind in South Korea in 1950. Yes, Kim Il Sung attacked first, but, South Korean patrols at that time regularly crossed the 38th parallel to perform raids against the north. This wasn't well publicized, so not many people know. Syngman Rhee wanted to unify Korea - that is why he refused to sign the armstice in 53.
If Syngman Rhee wanted, he could have attacked first, and who knows, US would have been dragged in like what happened in our timeline, and China would have intervened. Kim Il Sung was not the only nut on the peninsula - Syngman Rhee was equally nuts. Research the Jeju Massacre. There is also an awesome documentary on mlovmo's channel - it is very balanced and even handed. The situation was just too unstable, and China and US had a 90% chance of being dragged into war.
@Bournetolive: If he was in any way crazy, S. Korea wouldn't have become the stable prosperous democracy it is now. The whole penninsula would be one vast powerful industrial machine. A major reason for Mao to want this lunatic in charge. The communist empire builders thought they could pull off another stunt like they did w/ undermining Chiang in favor of the murderous Mao. Mao exterminated around 40 million Chinese alone. That was the reality then, Stalin, Mao, Kim psychopathic politics.
Buddy, nobody wanted the mass killings - that is a side-effect, so they would have been fine and satisfied if the killings didn't happen. And who are you referring to with the "he" in your first sentence?
In short, it is all about power politics - how to cement your rule, especially since the west really did have moles inside the USSR and PRC. And the still do.
@Bournetolive: It is becoming apparent your mind is filled propaganda instead of facts. It has been rendered immune to facts by a life time diet of self serving lies by your gov't. As if it has ever proved easy for the West to get spies in a closed totalitarian state. It was the communist tyrannies which had spies in our gov't. Ever hear of Alger Hiss, the Rosenbergs? Mao was only able to gain power his patron Stalin had his agents sabotage the intelligence services in the West.
@Bournetolive: & no, it was not "all about power politics." Whatever a meaningless statement like that is supposed to mean. It was about keeping psychopathic mass murderer from ruining the whole Earth as they ruined their own societies. Mao was undoubtedly the greatest disaster to ever befall China, perhaps the whole Earth. He probably murdered around 40 million Chinese, in peace time. Not to mention the smashing of the Tibetans & others. What an evil catastrophe communism has been.
So the west is justified in spying on China and Russia, but not the reverse? The west do have their share of idealists - people who want to make the world a better place. Unfortunately, they are outnumbered by and less influential than those who are only interested in advancing national interests. That is how the world is. And lets end this conversation - you are an idealist, I'm not. We will never resolve this argument no matter how much we go back and forth. Lets just stop.
The North Korean's only have one tv channel, the Kim Jong Il channel. It's amazing how you can control mass amounts of people through media and brainwashing. They do the same thing in the USA, the only difference there is that americans actually have the ability to do research, and use the internet to see what the outside world is like. Americans know their government is screwing them and they just choose not to do anything about it.
Who cares if pussy north korea sees my middle finger as a threat . Thats the problom with the usa . We care too much about what our enemies want . If nk don't watch it they will be next . Id like nothing better than to cut kim jungs head off and keep it as a trophy .
@TheRussianMILF I dont think you got the right message i'm saying lol I am saying the military power of China can beat the North... seeing you are a russian you should get my message...
@xxxdieselyyy2 You need a basic lesson in Economics. If Canada opened 10,000 factories assembling plastic toys and sold them off at wholesale, while also manipulating the Canadian dollar; does that mean Canada owns the world? NO. China is the world's 2nd largest economy in terms of GDP and may surpass the USA by 2020 if the United States stagnates (like now), but that also assumes that China's economy continues to surge, which I don't believe will happen. the world will call China to fair task.
@xxxdieselyyy2 You need a basic lesson in Economics. If Canada opened 10,000 factories assembling plastic toys and sold them off at wholesale, while also manipulating the Canadian dollar; does that mean Canada owns the world? NO. China is the world's 2nd largest economy in terms of GDP and may surpass the USA by 2020 if the United States stagnates (like now), but that also assumes that China's economy continues to surge, which I don't believe will happen. the world will require fair trade.
@TheKrasnaludek --------------->I agree we need fair trade. Typically, if you are a global production epicenter (China), you sort of are in a MUCH better commanding position than "just another third world country (Brazil / India etc)." China is at present focusing on improving its MPI score, which will be the base to boost up domestic consumption. So in u r Y = C+I+G+(X-IM) equation 4 GDP, China's C would eventually be domestically powered.....
@xxxdieselyyy2 -----2---------->......and in the medium run (where domestic consumption w/ respect to foreign consumption is low at present) the "C" factor is subbed w/ foreign consumption (of Chinese goods).
I can't think of a better economic position to be a world power. Unless of course, China fucks up big time by abandoning it's MPI reduction goals, which I highly doubt.
Very sad. 60 Years plus. Same family lines. Same last names. Same language. Same religion. Why not just hug and make up. Were is love. Father and maker in heaven seen enough sad things. This is why we need his Kingdom to fix these problems and not man. Matthew 6:9,10 Ps. 37:10,11 Matthew 5:5 Revelation 21:3,4
2 questions. Why you're not allowed to point or wave towards the other side of the border? and why when the RoK soldiers are in the room, the have to hold hands so the south korean soldier doesn't get pulled to north korea?
1) In case someone sticks two fingers to the DPRK side - causeing a grave insult
2) Back in 1997, two DPRK soldiers attempted to pull in a RoK soldier while he was bolting the door before a tour. From now on, one guy does the job while the other guard holds on to his belt and is ready to pull him back should the door open.
I don't know if the other RoK guy would open fire or not out of instint
@eldom20 That's right, you can't point because the NK mind interpret that as taunting, intimidation, or a threat. The SK solidiers hold hands so that the NK soldiers don't pull them across.
The is very strange? When I was there back in 1990 you would never see both tourist groups together at the same time. N & S Korea would alternate there tourists groups like: Monday, Wednesday, and Friday S Korea tourists! Then Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday N. Korea tourists!
@PityOak haha, silly border... Silly US and Soviet made that silly border not the koreans. but, yes koreans did gain handful of tourist at the cost of over million standing army and billions in defense budget. how silly you are.
@Konformation07 I'm not sure. From travel logs I've seen, they're allowed during the mass games. Other than that I don't think Americans are allowed normally.
@406356690 how can you be so proud? you chinese are the main reasons why the people of north korea are suffering, hunger, poverty and lack of medical help.. You chinese are the main reason why they are imprison from their own nation....
you should ashamed of your self and ashamed of your country... stop supporting NK to stop suffering of their people...
@xxxdieselyyy Yes, so the US can feed them, give them democratic freedom, like the right to complain about things(without the getting shot or deported to a concentration camp part), and have one united democratic Korea, the once independent glorious nation fighting off the Japanese and Chinese(without the fighting now).
LOL South got Americans and North Got Chinese tourists LOL pretty Hilarius to think about O yes I almost forgot the Russians and all the other Communist countries all of them have visum free access into North Korea
@SMGJohn It might be more Expensive but it sure as hell is the most affective; Hence why the United States' is more advanced in almost everything. There's NOTHING wrong with NOT wanting to be the Government's little Bitch like you are
@SMGJohn What do you know about capitalist schools? In fact, we DO learn that Money isn't everything. It is the society which makes it seem like it is. The human race IS GREEDY; whether you like it or not... We are alllll greedy to some extent. Capitalism is the ideology which adapts to this humane characteristic; Greed is the engine in a capitalist society, and if its ran correctly, it runs perfectly. Therefore, capitalism is the ideology in which Most people would like to live in.
@pricardo333 The fact there is that a dictatorship with Communist economy might as well be perfect for the world. Because you could surpress that greed. And so? People still would be happy just look at Soviet. People there enjoyed life with no poverty
@SMGJohn : Suppressing Greed is IMPOSSIBLE. It is what All humans are built of, if you suppress greed, then you get Depression as a result. Every good results in some sort of Bad. And are you shitting me? Communism will cause happiness? In this world? With this technology? LMAO!!! Lol one of the best things that happened in history was the fall of the soviet union; people there FINALLY were capable of expressing their beliefs without having to worry about Capital Punishment.
@pricardo333 Impossible!? That's just a word for something that's limited. Doesn't mean it doesn't work. Because it does everything is POSSIBLE! It's just you short thinking Americans that can't face the fact or that your brain is too small to actually be capable to think so much.
@SMGJohn Its not just Americans!! I'm just thinking REALITY. American's are the only greedy people in the world!! For christ sakes look at our Past dude!!!!! Communism went down the Shits for a REASON! Because PEOPLE HATED IT, AND REVOLTED! And you admitted that Capitalism has better education - "Sure, their so advanced they could blow the earth to tiny atoms." - yet you still call our brains small?! Wow..
@SMGJohn That is the Job for others!!! We have people in this world specified for statistical purposes! How do you expect them to learn when they have VERY limited access to Books, Internet, TV, and Radio? the ONLY access they have to TV and Radio is if it's aired in North Korea, the ONLY books allowed are those that support their ideology... and an FYI, if southern north koreans listen to South korean videos, that crime is punishible by death. This is seriously what you'd like to live in? Wow..
@SMGJohn Because there has been North Koreans that have successfully fled the country, and lived to talk about the horror of it. Did you know, that there are many North Koreans that look at their leader, Kim Jong-il, as a God? Also, did you know there is a standard uniform people MUST wear while in public? Did you know that if any North Korean is caught communicating with someone outside the country, they will be punished by death? We know this because NORTH KOREANS have told the world about it.
@SMGJohn So you must be out of your damn mind if thats the type of environment you'd like to live it. For christ sakes.... I recommend you read these books: 1984 by George Orwell, and Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. Another example would be Cuba.. Lmao just look at them! the majority of their citizens are in poverty!
@SMGJohn Alright i'll be sitting here WORKING for my QUALITY Materials while your working 10x harder JUST so your communist government can feed you SHIT. Lmao it seems to me that I know more about communism than you, Lol you think Communism gives you prosperity HAHAHAHA, This has NEVER happened in our history and it never will.
@rickyrick Wow.. Another dude who falls for the conspiracy theories. There's a fucking Footprint on the damn moon caught by numerous telescopes, some not even from Nasa... Get a damn brain.
@pricardo333 Lmao, what a freaking retard! Yeah sure, and there is picture evidence that big foot exist. THERE IS NO WAY THEY COULD HAVE GONE TO THE MOON WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THEY HAD THEN! You know those robots NASA is making? Well, the engineer in one of the videos says,"These robots will be perfect for missions to the moon, since it is currently impossible for us to travel there." So grow a brain... Stupid Mexican!
@rickyrick Mexican? Lol. What the FUCK do you know about the technology it takes to get to the moon? What are you an aeronautical engineer or something? Getting to the moon DOES NOT require advanced Technology you idiot, It just takes alot of MONEY; and the rocket they built during that time was capable of going from the moon and back.
@rickyrick If you had a Brain, you'd understand that the hardest thing to do is escape earth, And then all you need is Force applied toward ONE direction, and the frictionless space allows the rocket to arrive in a few days, Same goes with coming back, except this time its 100x easier to escape the moons gravitational force. Lmao get a fucking head you don't need a Spaceship to get there. So if YOU think im the one without a brain, Take an astronomy class my friend.
@pricardo333 You're such a tard! The biggest problem is crossing the Van Allen radiation belt. 6 feet of lead are needed all around the craft to block out the radiation, so tell me how they did it. The astronauts complain of radiation at the space station, and you think they can make it across the radiation belt? And space travel has more to do with physics than astronomy, so go take a class in physics my friend.
@rickyrick So you're saying they never left Earth's Orbit? Do you honestly think that the entire world's radar systems, and visual astronomical observatories, let alone individuals, would have failed to notice all the apolo's if they had stayed in Earth orbit? This would apply to all the manned missions that entered lunar orbit, Apollo 8 and 10 to 17, a total of NINE missions. And no one in the entire world noticed, not even once, that they didn't really leave Earth's orbit?
@rickyrick Out of EVERY person on earth, the RUSSIANS are the ones who would claim if the Apollo mission was a Hoax; and they didn't. Instead; it was a 2001 TV show on the history channel. The russians Observed EVERY INCH that Rocket took on the way to the moon, to make sure 100% that they actually did land on the moon. They did this because they were on a race of who gets to the moon first; and after Apollo 11, the Russians gave up.
@pricardo333 ... The Russians gave up because they found out it was impossible to travel to the moon. Just do some research. Even the man who designed the rocket said it wouldn't be able to make it to the moon. The Indians are planning to go to the moon by 2020. With the current technology available today it should be a piece of cake. I guarantee you that there will be a disaster. They will not make it to the moon. Remember this the day it happens.
@rickyrick personaly I hope they make it to the moon. the more that make it the more knowledge everyone gains. besides the moon is old news. thats like saying my car can go 60 MPH. Mars is the goal now.
@123456789mischief I hate to say it, but they wont make it. Mars is out of the picture till about 60 more years. We can maybe make it to the moon in about 30. Getting passed the radiation belt is the biggest problem.. even NASA engineers say the biggest problem is getting passed the belts and robots are their best bet. Yes, a NASA engineer said that!
@rickyrick ok your one of the nuts who believe the moon landing was a hoax. if it was the russians would be sreaming it from the roof tops. they don't because they know they landed. soanything you say after this will be disregarded as a paranoid nuts ranting.
@123456789mischief Anything after this? I can't even understand what you are trying to say. BTW, the Russians do know the U.S. never made it to the moon.. do a little bit of research.
@rickyrick OK what I am saying is your a nutter. so anyuthing you say is going to be looked upon as the rantings of a lunitic. I have seen the goofy things claiming they never made it there, they are a joke as is yourt ludicris statement.
@123456789mischief Then don't believe me! I really don't care what you think. It's only the truth that nuts like you don't want to believe... Same goes for the World Trade Center.
@rickyrick well I thought the fact I said your a nut and didn't believe you made it farly obvious that I don't believe you. whats funny is when china maks it to the moon there will be other nuts like your self saying they didn't make it. and they will show goofy little things on videos to prove their wacky belief. I say good day to you sir.
@123456789mischief hmmm, actually as long as their flag isn't waving all over the airless atmosphere I will believe them. They are not in a race to beat anyone, so I doubt they will lie!
@rickyrick That is false; the Russians gave up once knew for a fact that America beat them to it. Why is it that AMERICANS were the first to claim its a hoax? Don't you think the competitors (russians) would be the ones to claim such a thing? Especially after they kept their EYE on them the entire time on July 20. 1969?
@pricardo333 How can they keep track of them? They can't track an object that is on the other side of the planet, and no they did not have a telescope in space at that time. And the reason the AMERICANS where the ones to say it was a hoax is because THEY ARE THE ONES INVOLVED IN IT! It makes perfect sense! Like I said, just do some research. Watch all those false moon landing videos like I did, then you can make your decision. I bet you refuse to watch though... the truth hurts.
@rickyrick Alrighty dude; lets start off with the fact that i've seen mostly alllll the hoax accusations there are out there. Along with that; i've seen (and you obviously haven't) allll the defenses used for those Hoax accusations. And are you kidding? What do you mean they can't keep track of them? What i mean by keeping track is observing them LEAVE Earths Orbit, NOT literally LAND on the moon. YES THEY CAN do that, even with the technology at the time.
@rickyrick Today, we can detect a little Match being Lit on the moon... in 1969 we were capable of detecting a gigantic rocket leaving Earths orbit. And you say the russians are on the other side of the Planet.... Dude, think a little; EVERYONE from ALL ACROSS THE WORLD came to the United States to OBSERVE. That includes people affiliated with the Soviet Union! Why the hell does it take 32 YEARS to convince 5% of the population its a Hoax? Because thats what people do to make MONEY using the TV!
@rickyrick Vasily Mishin was head of the russian design bereau from 66 to 74 and he seemed to think they made the landing. so we have nuts who think they didn't make it and russians who would jump on the slightest chance it was fake saying it happened. plus the laser reflectors they put there managed to come online when they landed. maybe bigfoot put them there with the help of the martians.
@123456789mischief We both have our opinions, so it doesn't matter what I say or you say. We believe what we believe, simple as that. You are not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you...
Pretty sad, They cant even cross the border. Just to get to the NORTH/SOUTH you have to fly through china.. So instead of taking 3 meters forward, you gotta fly back to china, then back to south Korean if you were visiting the north
Shooting chinese with a ''made in chinese'' camera!!
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77777XYZ 1 month ago
Have a nice trip. Just no pointy, sir!
Beannieable 1 month ago
Tourists on the north are allowed to point and wave, have no dress code restrictions, and can consume alcohol beforehand. Ironic, seeing that the south is a free country and the north is a repressive dictatorship.
criskity 2 months ago
@criskity Because the South wants to maintain an agressive frightening stature against the north. Flinching, Blinking, talking, to the north means peaceful and they don't want that.
ContinentalPatriot 1 month ago
I would hate to have to handle these dumb tourists to the DMZ, they have to be told over and over again, don't point, don't wave still they do this?....it's a rule period! Yet people are disrespectful and do what they want anyways....bunch of children so annoying.
kckarma007 2 months ago
"Don't wave, don't pointy!" what's the idea of a tour if we can't either point or wave?
NgJackal1990 2 months ago in playlist north korea DMZ
@NgJackal1990 its not exactly disneyland. the two sides are at war. Shooting somebody pointing at them would not be a crime. get it?
LordKaisen 1 month ago
not my idea of the ideal vacation destination, but hey that's just me
achangsts 4 months ago
mexican tourists on south korean side dmz.
obsidianstatue 4 months ago
@obsidianstatue mexcicans can afourd it they spend all there money illegally crossing borders
thekaiser1231 3 months ago
Not that terrorisng and frightening! I have visited North Korea few years ago. I don't find any shortage of food. All I can say is they need to change and reform like china to make progress. Then there will be light at the other end of the turnel.
tnam23 5 months ago
@tnam23
Of course you as a visitor wouldn't see any food shortages. You're only supposed to see the best of the country.
ancatdubh43 5 months ago
I would have waved back and yelled love you.
GisfridMaillor 6 months ago
Donta pointey sah!
DBcoop04 6 months ago
lol no offense, but i prefer to be on that side.
AmericaRuinsYou 7 months ago
I come to South Korea many times but wanna see my comrades in the North one day hopefully ...hihi
KatiushaVN4 7 months ago
After all, everything's made in China.
gartini 8 months ago
wad happens if u wave at the opps side???????
neon10knights 8 months ago
@neon10knights
It is allowed to wave and point for tourist from the North side ad the DMZ Border to the South side. I saw in a Docu made by the Chinese. America build a nice show there with the bridge of no return story's about Checkpoints 1 till 57 and tours given by the military's if their are in America. While there is also backdoor: China. If China would take control in the North some day Amerika is face to face with China in their nice blue DMZ buildings.
Ceesie007 6 months ago
@neon10knights the chop your dick off
FreethinkingYouth 4 months ago
they really cant wave??
mi3rebus 8 months ago
North Korea is puppet of China.
And Shame on chinese!
Shame on Kim jong il!
Make north korean many painful
BAIYUE1 9 months ago 2
North Korea was originally intended as a buffer state between China & South Korea.
seeriktus 9 months ago
@seeriktus
North Korea was intended to be the only sovereign successor of the Imperial Japanese rule over the Korean peninsula.
Phead128 9 months ago
The communists are the greatest mass murderers of history. I keep repeating this to you it never quite seems to registerin your brain. In WWII, the total of all dead on all sides is placed @ around 50 million. In China alone, under Mao, the dead are commonly estimated @ around 40 million. Stalin murdered several millions as well in the 30s b/f WWII. He also started WWII as Hitler's ALLY. Spying on communist is an existential necessity, it is survival. These monsters were dangerous.
VictorLepanto 9 months ago
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bowendude1234 10 months ago
TRY SHOUTING THOSE CHINESE :"BEN DAN"
MIKHAIL1181 10 months ago
North Korea, made in china.
FacepunchChris 11 months ago
@FacepunchChris
I see that lack of research as afghi420 mentioned has confused you. Kim Il-Sung and his POS son made North Korea - they decided not to reform, to torture. China has for years tried to convince Kim Jong-Il to make economic and social reforms so his people wouldn't starve, but have now largely given up because he just won't do it. Sigh.
Bournetolive 9 months ago
@Bournetolive that doesnt change much, china was the country that gave them the most assitance during the war, they even sent volunteers.
FacepunchChris 9 months ago
@FacepunchChris
China did it for its own interest - so that US troops won't be right at the Yalu, which would threaten China and cause it to waste resources stationing military there. Ever heard of geopolitics? The US does it too - do some research on Saudi Arabia. Like I said, do some research! There are no saints in the world, only interest. Even Mother Teresa had quite a few skeletons in her closet, though I still admire her work.
Bournetolive 9 months ago
@FacepunchChris
Oh, and if the US did not intervene and let the DPRK conquer the whole peninsula, then there would be no paranoia in Korea - there won't be US troops just south of the border to threaten them! Then they would emulate China and undertake economic reforms, and all Koreans, not just Koreans who were lucky enough to live south of the 38th parallel, would be prosperous. And Asia would also be much more stable, since the US would only have a military presence in Japan.
Bournetolive 9 months ago
@Bournetolive: There would be NO Kim Il-Sung in Korea if the PRC had not kept him in power in the Korean War. The Beijing regime uses the DPRK gov't to destablize the Korean & other Asian gov'ts. These gov'ts can't focus on economics & developement w/ having to worry about this lunatic regime. The Russians used N. Korea for their cynical purposes, & now so does the PRC.
VictorLepanto 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto
Then blame Stalin, don't just blame China. The Soviets divided the peninsula, and the Americans agreed. Not that Mao would have accepted domination of America on entire peninsula - remember this my friend, no American troops can be allowed to be stationed allow the Yalu! China cannot allow US easy land access to Chinese mainland. Clear?
Bournetolive 9 months ago
@Bournetolive: The U.S. agreed to a temporary arrangement to adminster territories taken from the Axis allies until post war arrangements could be made. The Korean were meant to govern their own affairs, as they do in the South. Stalin did give Kim the go ahead to invade his fellows, but Mao sent the troops to prop up the psychopaths who now rule in N. Korea. Kim was defeated, there would be no U.S. troops in Korea at all if the need to keep back the PRRK lunatics didn't exist.
VictorLepanto 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto
Is that what you think - you think the US wouldn't station troops in Korea when it is right next to China aand USSR? Don't be naive - the US would at least build tons of SIGINT stations and dig tunnels to intercept communications and messages. China would have been impeded in some way in its attempts to industrialize Manchuria further - remember, most of China's arms industry was and still is located there. The US wouldn't give up an opportunity like this - it is not a saint.
Bournetolive 9 months ago
@Bournetolive: You really are utterly clueless. It was only as a reaction to communist regimes global military ambitions that the U.S. felt any need to maintain a standing military force overseas. You can go back & study the very open & public discussions about the post war world then going on in the U.S. No one expected any permanent stationing of troops in Europe or Asia. The whole push for the U.S. at the end of the war was to send everyone home. Learn to think for yourself.
VictorLepanto 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto
I do think for myself - I'm an agnostic, for starters. I know what you are talking about - that is why US only left a ill equipped force behind in South Korea in 1950. Yes, Kim Il Sung attacked first, but, South Korean patrols at that time regularly crossed the 38th parallel to perform raids against the north. This wasn't well publicized, so not many people know. Syngman Rhee wanted to unify Korea - that is why he refused to sign the armstice in 53.
Bournetolive 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto
If Syngman Rhee wanted, he could have attacked first, and who knows, US would have been dragged in like what happened in our timeline, and China would have intervened. Kim Il Sung was not the only nut on the peninsula - Syngman Rhee was equally nuts. Research the Jeju Massacre. There is also an awesome documentary on mlovmo's channel - it is very balanced and even handed. The situation was just too unstable, and China and US had a 90% chance of being dragged into war.
Bournetolive 9 months ago
@Bournetolive: If he was in any way crazy, S. Korea wouldn't have become the stable prosperous democracy it is now. The whole penninsula would be one vast powerful industrial machine. A major reason for Mao to want this lunatic in charge. The communist empire builders thought they could pull off another stunt like they did w/ undermining Chiang in favor of the murderous Mao. Mao exterminated around 40 million Chinese alone. That was the reality then, Stalin, Mao, Kim psychopathic politics.
VictorLepanto 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto
Buddy, nobody wanted the mass killings - that is a side-effect, so they would have been fine and satisfied if the killings didn't happen. And who are you referring to with the "he" in your first sentence?
Bournetolive 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto
In short, it is all about power politics - how to cement your rule, especially since the west really did have moles inside the USSR and PRC.
Bournetolive 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto
In short, it is all about power politics - how to cement your rule, especially since the west really did have moles inside the USSR and PRC. And the still do.
Bournetolive 9 months ago
@Bournetolive: It is becoming apparent your mind is filled propaganda instead of facts. It has been rendered immune to facts by a life time diet of self serving lies by your gov't. As if it has ever proved easy for the West to get spies in a closed totalitarian state. It was the communist tyrannies which had spies in our gov't. Ever hear of Alger Hiss, the Rosenbergs? Mao was only able to gain power his patron Stalin had his agents sabotage the intelligence services in the West.
VictorLepanto 9 months ago
@Bournetolive: & no, it was not "all about power politics." Whatever a meaningless statement like that is supposed to mean. It was about keeping psychopathic mass murderer from ruining the whole Earth as they ruined their own societies. Mao was undoubtedly the greatest disaster to ever befall China, perhaps the whole Earth. He probably murdered around 40 million Chinese, in peace time. Not to mention the smashing of the Tibetans & others. What an evil catastrophe communism has been.
VictorLepanto 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto
So the west is justified in spying on China and Russia, but not the reverse? The west do have their share of idealists - people who want to make the world a better place. Unfortunately, they are outnumbered by and less influential than those who are only interested in advancing national interests. That is how the world is. And lets end this conversation - you are an idealist, I'm not. We will never resolve this argument no matter how much we go back and forth. Lets just stop.
Bournetolive 9 months ago
The North Korean's only have one tv channel, the Kim Jong Il channel. It's amazing how you can control mass amounts of people through media and brainwashing. They do the same thing in the USA, the only difference there is that americans actually have the ability to do research, and use the internet to see what the outside world is like. Americans know their government is screwing them and they just choose not to do anything about it.
afghi420 11 months ago
NK tour guide:And to my left, FILTHY CAPITALIST AMERICAN PIG DOGS! Now on to the Honorable Leader's gift shop.
invaderzimrules132 11 months ago
who is the guy talking to them?
iwuvmycalico 1 year ago
no pointy sir!
HelmutVillam 1 year ago 36
I love the way the man talks lol! funny.
Sapphire4561 1 year ago
Who cares if pussy north korea sees my middle finger as a threat . Thats the problom with the usa . We care too much about what our enemies want . If nk don't watch it they will be next . Id like nothing better than to cut kim jungs head off and keep it as a trophy .
crazyhorse1369 1 year ago
@crazyhorse1369 You're an idiot.
smursncody 1 year ago
@smursncody Na thats you
crazyhorse1369 11 months ago
@crazyhorse1369 Maybe have a more advanced vocabulary that don't consist of words like 'na' and you wont look like you're 12 years old.
smursncody 11 months ago
@smursncody LOL you are the only one who looks 12 , after all you continue to argue with me .
crazyhorse1369 11 months ago
@crazyhorse1369 I advise you read that again very slowly.
smursncody 11 months ago
@smursncody I advise you to shut the fuck up and take a look at yourself before you accuse others of anything .
crazyhorse1369 11 months ago
@crazyhorse139 You're an ignorant faggot, good day sir.
smursncody 11 months ago
@smursncody Nope thats you .
crazyhorse1369 11 months ago
@crazyhorse1369 No, you.
smursncody 11 months ago
@smursncody nope
crazyhorse1369 11 months ago
China owns the North Korea =.= LOL!
BobBlobOfFancyPants 1 year ago 22
@BobBlobOfFancyPants
there are tonnes of americans in south korea, does that mean america owns the south?
TheRussianMILF 11 months ago
@TheRussianMILF I dont think you got the right message i'm saying lol I am saying the military power of China can beat the North... seeing you are a russian you should get my message...
BobBlobOfFancyPants 11 months ago
@BobBlobOfFancyPants
China and NAZI N.Korea r two idiots shitheads budsssssss~~~~~~~
TheJunoo 9 months ago
@TheJunoo Read the historical facts and learn history... I can be your tutor for only $89.95/month
BobBlobOfFancyPants 9 months ago
@BobBlobOfFancyPants
Thanks alot bud; BUT so CAN i got it???
TheJunoo 9 months ago
@TheJunoo No problem broder I can alays be sere for you
BobBlobOfFancyPants 9 months ago
@BobBlobOfFancyPants ------------->China owns the world. Everything u buy is fokkin made in China.
xxxdieselyyy2 6 months ago
@xxxdieselyyy2 You need a basic lesson in Economics. If Canada opened 10,000 factories assembling plastic toys and sold them off at wholesale, while also manipulating the Canadian dollar; does that mean Canada owns the world? NO. China is the world's 2nd largest economy in terms of GDP and may surpass the USA by 2020 if the United States stagnates (like now), but that also assumes that China's economy continues to surge, which I don't believe will happen. the world will call China to fair task.
TheKrasnaludek 5 months ago
@xxxdieselyyy2 You need a basic lesson in Economics. If Canada opened 10,000 factories assembling plastic toys and sold them off at wholesale, while also manipulating the Canadian dollar; does that mean Canada owns the world? NO. China is the world's 2nd largest economy in terms of GDP and may surpass the USA by 2020 if the United States stagnates (like now), but that also assumes that China's economy continues to surge, which I don't believe will happen. the world will require fair trade.
TheKrasnaludek 5 months ago
@TheKrasnaludek --------------->I agree we need fair trade. Typically, if you are a global production epicenter (China), you sort of are in a MUCH better commanding position than "just another third world country (Brazil / India etc)." China is at present focusing on improving its MPI score, which will be the base to boost up domestic consumption. So in u r Y = C+I+G+(X-IM) equation 4 GDP, China's C would eventually be domestically powered.....
xxxdieselyyy2 4 months ago
@xxxdieselyyy2 -----2---------->......and in the medium run (where domestic consumption w/ respect to foreign consumption is low at present) the "C" factor is subbed w/ foreign consumption (of Chinese goods).
I can't think of a better economic position to be a world power. Unless of course, China fucks up big time by abandoning it's MPI reduction goals, which I highly doubt.
xxxdieselyyy2 4 months ago
@BobBlobOfFancyPants Dream on.
jstele 6 months ago
@jstele You Jelly Because Your American?
BobBlobOfFancyPants 6 months ago
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Very sad. 60 Years plus. Same family lines. Same last names. Same language. Same religion. Why not just hug and make up. Were is love. Father and maker in heaven seen enough sad things. This is why we need his Kingdom to fix these problems and not man. Matthew 6:9,10 Ps. 37:10,11 Matthew 5:5 Revelation 21:3,4
allknowfather 1 year ago
i actually have a friend in china. i wonder if its possible to take the tour on the same day and cause trouble XD
Shadow2271 1 year ago
The guy that pointed probably went home with a missing finger.
shadowhunter388 1 year ago
2 questions. Why you're not allowed to point or wave towards the other side of the border? and why when the RoK soldiers are in the room, the have to hold hands so the south korean soldier doesn't get pulled to north korea?
eldom20 1 year ago
@eldom20 I can answer both
1) In case someone sticks two fingers to the DPRK side - causeing a grave insult
2) Back in 1997, two DPRK soldiers attempted to pull in a RoK soldier while he was bolting the door before a tour. From now on, one guy does the job while the other guard holds on to his belt and is ready to pull him back should the door open.
I don't know if the other RoK guy would open fire or not out of instint
Trek001 1 year ago
@eldom20 That's right, you can't point because the NK mind interpret that as taunting, intimidation, or a threat. The SK solidiers hold hands so that the NK soldiers don't pull them across.
mrtessierashpool 1 year ago
The is very strange? When I was there back in 1990 you would never see both tourist groups together at the same time. N & S Korea would alternate there tourists groups like: Monday, Wednesday, and Friday S Korea tourists! Then Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday N. Korea tourists!
ssgduke56 1 year ago
They gained tourists by making silly border!!
Oh! lets make also a border that divides USA....the east vs. west coast...
PityOak 1 year ago
@PityOak haha, silly border... Silly US and Soviet made that silly border not the koreans. but, yes koreans did gain handful of tourist at the cost of over million standing army and billions in defense budget. how silly you are.
simboy418 1 year ago
@PityOak Sure, build the wall along the Mississippi River, good idea. West Coast can be like S. Korea and the East Coast can be the North.
whitedogsrule 1 year ago
I thought you can't leave North Korea once you go in so how do they allow tourists.
Konformation07 1 year ago
@Konformation07 dmz, demilitarized zone
nepalihercules 1 year ago
@Konformation07 They allow tourists. It's government controlled with guides who follow you at all times.
LordofDarkness42 1 year ago
@LordofDarkness42 so even Americans can go on that side by being a tourist?
Konformation07 1 year ago
@Konformation07 I'm not sure. From travel logs I've seen, they're allowed during the mass games. Other than that I don't think Americans are allowed normally.
LordofDarkness42 1 year ago
@LordofDarkness42
Americans can go, its a pain in the ass though. You go through China or Russia to get there, you are issued a guide too.
fivestep5 1 year ago
pround to be chinese. we can travel on both sides :)
406356690 1 year ago
@406356690 how can you be so proud? you chinese are the main reasons why the people of north korea are suffering, hunger, poverty and lack of medical help.. You chinese are the main reason why they are imprison from their own nation....
you should ashamed of your self and ashamed of your country... stop supporting NK to stop suffering of their people...
toybikex 1 year ago
@toybikex
this is stupidest comment i ever seen on youtube.
"how can you be so pround?"as if being pround is a sin. man, you are a retard. think before you type.
406356690 1 year ago
@toybikex -------------stop supporting NK to stop suffering of their people...---------->Why so that US can exploit them instead ? :)
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy Yes, so the US can feed them, give them democratic freedom, like the right to complain about things(without the getting shot or deported to a concentration camp part), and have one united democratic Korea, the once independent glorious nation fighting off the Japanese and Chinese(without the fighting now).
Kaos582 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy You talk like the North Koreans are endangered animals.
shadowhunter388 1 year ago
@406356690 why anyone would want to go to North Korea for anything is beyond me.
ria1313 1 year ago
@federeriscol, they use the pointing of tourists as propoganda
MrNelsonz 1 year ago
Why can't you wave or point?
federeriscol 1 year ago
@federeriscol It could easily trigger world war 3. The North Koreans are bitchy about small things like hand gestures.
2491cc 1 year ago
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@federeriscol It could easily trigger world war 3. The North Koreans are bitchy about small things like hand gestures.
2491cc 1 year ago
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@federeriscol It could easily trigger world war 3. The North Koreans are bitchy about small things like hand gestures.
2491cc 1 year ago
@federeriscol It could easily trigger world war 3. The North Koreans are bitchy about small things like hand gestures.
2491cc 1 year ago
lol
Drago2600 1 year ago
waving aint gonna start a fucking war
dodoboy1212 1 year ago
and don't use the digital zoom!
MrFLICKYOLI 1 year ago
Wow talk about a Novel! Look below my comment -.-
Fuck North Korea, they treat humans like shit.
ArmyRanger871 1 year ago
Sorry, I'm just 14 here. But why can't the tourists wave?
LilyStylo 1 year ago
@LilyStylo I believe it is because it provides propaganda material for the North to use. Honestly, I'm not quite sure how, but that is what I heard.
megarockman 1 year ago
The highest chances of a beginning of a war between the two countries is here.
ColonelGhostman 1 year ago
no pintiiii sir,or kim gong illl killllll yowe,lol wtf
kissfan59474 1 year ago
why can u wave back?
420kawy 1 year ago
North Korean civilians are not allowed in the DMZ
kloratis 1 year ago
what a fucking prick of a guide
whalish 1 year ago
LOL South got Americans and North Got Chinese tourists LOL pretty Hilarius to think about O yes I almost forgot the Russians and all the other Communist countries all of them have visum free access into North Korea
SMGJohn 1 year ago
Russia is no longer Communist, you fucking gay idiot
kloratis 1 year ago
@kloratis Did I say Russia was Communism!? NO! I DIDN'T Learn to read damn you Capitalists got education at all!? Or does it cost too much?
SMGJohn 1 year ago
@SMGJohn It might be more Expensive but it sure as hell is the most affective; Hence why the United States' is more advanced in almost everything. There's NOTHING wrong with NOT wanting to be the Government's little Bitch like you are
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 Sure, their so advanced they could blow the earth to tiny atoms. Money ain't everything sad they don't learn such in Capitalists schools
SMGJohn 1 year ago
@SMGJohn What do you know about capitalist schools? In fact, we DO learn that Money isn't everything. It is the society which makes it seem like it is. The human race IS GREEDY; whether you like it or not... We are alllll greedy to some extent. Capitalism is the ideology which adapts to this humane characteristic; Greed is the engine in a capitalist society, and if its ran correctly, it runs perfectly. Therefore, capitalism is the ideology in which Most people would like to live in.
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 The fact there is that a dictatorship with Communist economy might as well be perfect for the world. Because you could surpress that greed. And so? People still would be happy just look at Soviet. People there enjoyed life with no poverty
SMGJohn 1 year ago
@SMGJohn : Suppressing Greed is IMPOSSIBLE. It is what All humans are built of, if you suppress greed, then you get Depression as a result. Every good results in some sort of Bad. And are you shitting me? Communism will cause happiness? In this world? With this technology? LMAO!!! Lol one of the best things that happened in history was the fall of the soviet union; people there FINALLY were capable of expressing their beliefs without having to worry about Capital Punishment.
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 Impossible!? That's just a word for something that's limited. Doesn't mean it doesn't work. Because it does everything is POSSIBLE! It's just you short thinking Americans that can't face the fact or that your brain is too small to actually be capable to think so much.
SMGJohn 1 year ago
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@SMGJohn Its not just Americans!! I'm just thinking REALITY. American's are the only greedy people in the world!! For christ sakes look at our Past dude!!!!! Communism went down the Shits for a REASON! Because PEOPLE HATED IT, AND REVOLTED! And you admitted that Capitalism has better education - "Sure, their so advanced they could blow the earth to tiny atoms." - yet you still call our brains small?! Wow..
pricardo333 1 year ago
@SMGJohn Look at North Korea, the majority of the population doesn't even know that there has been a man on the Moon! LOL
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 Really!? How you know? Been there?
SMGJohn 1 year ago
@SMGJohn That is the Job for others!!! We have people in this world specified for statistical purposes! How do you expect them to learn when they have VERY limited access to Books, Internet, TV, and Radio? the ONLY access they have to TV and Radio is if it's aired in North Korea, the ONLY books allowed are those that support their ideology... and an FYI, if southern north koreans listen to South korean videos, that crime is punishible by death. This is seriously what you'd like to live in? Wow..
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 south korean radio**
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 How do you know, have you been living in North!?
From all I know South pigs are paying our citizens to say bad stuff about North
SMGJohn 1 year ago
@SMGJohn Because there has been North Koreans that have successfully fled the country, and lived to talk about the horror of it. Did you know, that there are many North Koreans that look at their leader, Kim Jong-il, as a God? Also, did you know there is a standard uniform people MUST wear while in public? Did you know that if any North Korean is caught communicating with someone outside the country, they will be punished by death? We know this because NORTH KOREANS have told the world about it.
pricardo333 1 year ago
@SMGJohn So you must be out of your damn mind if thats the type of environment you'd like to live it. For christ sakes.... I recommend you read these books: 1984 by George Orwell, and Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. Another example would be Cuba.. Lmao just look at them! the majority of their citizens are in poverty!
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 Ah, you know nothing about Communism now chew your money. The only true democracy is Communism!
SMGJohn 1 year ago
@SMGJohn Alright i'll be sitting here WORKING for my QUALITY Materials while your working 10x harder JUST so your communist government can feed you SHIT. Lmao it seems to me that I know more about communism than you, Lol you think Communism gives you prosperity HAHAHAHA, This has NEVER happened in our history and it never will.
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 If you know so much about history why don't you just tell me if it's a democracy or dictatorship.
SMGJohn 1 year ago
@SMGJohn Because... thats too easy; we all know most communist nations contain dictators.
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 That's because there has not been a man to the moon! o_O It's a freaking lies, do some research.
rickyrick 1 year ago
@rickyrick Wow.. Another dude who falls for the conspiracy theories. There's a fucking Footprint on the damn moon caught by numerous telescopes, some not even from Nasa... Get a damn brain.
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 Lmao, what a freaking retard! Yeah sure, and there is picture evidence that big foot exist. THERE IS NO WAY THEY COULD HAVE GONE TO THE MOON WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THEY HAD THEN! You know those robots NASA is making? Well, the engineer in one of the videos says,"These robots will be perfect for missions to the moon, since it is currently impossible for us to travel there." So grow a brain... Stupid Mexican!
rickyrick 1 year ago
@rickyrick Mexican? Lol. What the FUCK do you know about the technology it takes to get to the moon? What are you an aeronautical engineer or something? Getting to the moon DOES NOT require advanced Technology you idiot, It just takes alot of MONEY; and the rocket they built during that time was capable of going from the moon and back.
pricardo333 1 year ago
@rickyrick If you had a Brain, you'd understand that the hardest thing to do is escape earth, And then all you need is Force applied toward ONE direction, and the frictionless space allows the rocket to arrive in a few days, Same goes with coming back, except this time its 100x easier to escape the moons gravitational force. Lmao get a fucking head you don't need a Spaceship to get there. So if YOU think im the one without a brain, Take an astronomy class my friend.
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 You're such a tard! The biggest problem is crossing the Van Allen radiation belt. 6 feet of lead are needed all around the craft to block out the radiation, so tell me how they did it. The astronauts complain of radiation at the space station, and you think they can make it across the radiation belt? And space travel has more to do with physics than astronomy, so go take a class in physics my friend.
rickyrick 1 year ago
@rickyrick So you're saying they never left Earth's Orbit? Do you honestly think that the entire world's radar systems, and visual astronomical observatories, let alone individuals, would have failed to notice all the apolo's if they had stayed in Earth orbit? This would apply to all the manned missions that entered lunar orbit, Apollo 8 and 10 to 17, a total of NINE missions. And no one in the entire world noticed, not even once, that they didn't really leave Earth's orbit?
pricardo333 1 year ago
@rickyrick Out of EVERY person on earth, the RUSSIANS are the ones who would claim if the Apollo mission was a Hoax; and they didn't. Instead; it was a 2001 TV show on the history channel. The russians Observed EVERY INCH that Rocket took on the way to the moon, to make sure 100% that they actually did land on the moon. They did this because they were on a race of who gets to the moon first; and after Apollo 11, the Russians gave up.
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 ... The Russians gave up because they found out it was impossible to travel to the moon. Just do some research. Even the man who designed the rocket said it wouldn't be able to make it to the moon. The Indians are planning to go to the moon by 2020. With the current technology available today it should be a piece of cake. I guarantee you that there will be a disaster. They will not make it to the moon. Remember this the day it happens.
rickyrick 1 year ago
@rickyrick personaly I hope they make it to the moon. the more that make it the more knowledge everyone gains. besides the moon is old news. thats like saying my car can go 60 MPH. Mars is the goal now.
123456789mischief 1 year ago
@123456789mischief I hate to say it, but they wont make it. Mars is out of the picture till about 60 more years. We can maybe make it to the moon in about 30. Getting passed the radiation belt is the biggest problem.. even NASA engineers say the biggest problem is getting passed the belts and robots are their best bet. Yes, a NASA engineer said that!
rickyrick 1 year ago
@rickyrick ok your one of the nuts who believe the moon landing was a hoax. if it was the russians would be sreaming it from the roof tops. they don't because they know they landed. soanything you say after this will be disregarded as a paranoid nuts ranting.
123456789mischief 1 year ago
@123456789mischief Anything after this? I can't even understand what you are trying to say. BTW, the Russians do know the U.S. never made it to the moon.. do a little bit of research.
rickyrick 1 year ago
@rickyrick OK what I am saying is your a nutter. so anyuthing you say is going to be looked upon as the rantings of a lunitic. I have seen the goofy things claiming they never made it there, they are a joke as is yourt ludicris statement.
123456789mischief 1 year ago
@123456789mischief Then don't believe me! I really don't care what you think. It's only the truth that nuts like you don't want to believe... Same goes for the World Trade Center.
rickyrick 1 year ago
@rickyrick well I thought the fact I said your a nut and didn't believe you made it farly obvious that I don't believe you. whats funny is when china maks it to the moon there will be other nuts like your self saying they didn't make it. and they will show goofy little things on videos to prove their wacky belief. I say good day to you sir.
123456789mischief 1 year ago
@123456789mischief hmmm, actually as long as their flag isn't waving all over the airless atmosphere I will believe them. They are not in a race to beat anyone, so I doubt they will lie!
rickyrick 1 year ago
@rickyrick That is false; the Russians gave up once knew for a fact that America beat them to it. Why is it that AMERICANS were the first to claim its a hoax? Don't you think the competitors (russians) would be the ones to claim such a thing? Especially after they kept their EYE on them the entire time on July 20. 1969?
pricardo333 1 year ago
@pricardo333 How can they keep track of them? They can't track an object that is on the other side of the planet, and no they did not have a telescope in space at that time. And the reason the AMERICANS where the ones to say it was a hoax is because THEY ARE THE ONES INVOLVED IN IT! It makes perfect sense! Like I said, just do some research. Watch all those false moon landing videos like I did, then you can make your decision. I bet you refuse to watch though... the truth hurts.
rickyrick 1 year ago
@rickyrick Alrighty dude; lets start off with the fact that i've seen mostly alllll the hoax accusations there are out there. Along with that; i've seen (and you obviously haven't) allll the defenses used for those Hoax accusations. And are you kidding? What do you mean they can't keep track of them? What i mean by keeping track is observing them LEAVE Earths Orbit, NOT literally LAND on the moon. YES THEY CAN do that, even with the technology at the time.
pricardo333 1 year ago
@rickyrick Today, we can detect a little Match being Lit on the moon... in 1969 we were capable of detecting a gigantic rocket leaving Earths orbit. And you say the russians are on the other side of the Planet.... Dude, think a little; EVERYONE from ALL ACROSS THE WORLD came to the United States to OBSERVE. That includes people affiliated with the Soviet Union! Why the hell does it take 32 YEARS to convince 5% of the population its a Hoax? Because thats what people do to make MONEY using the TV!
pricardo333 1 year ago
@rickyrick Vasily Mishin was head of the russian design bereau from 66 to 74 and he seemed to think they made the landing. so we have nuts who think they didn't make it and russians who would jump on the slightest chance it was fake saying it happened. plus the laser reflectors they put there managed to come online when they landed. maybe bigfoot put them there with the help of the martians.
123456789mischief 1 year ago
@123456789mischief We both have our opinions, so it doesn't matter what I say or you say. We believe what we believe, simple as that. You are not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you...
rickyrick 1 year ago
@rickyrick sounds fair. look at it this way if we all agreed then this would be a pretty boring place. best of luck to you sir.
123456789mischief 1 year ago
@123456789mischief lol, same to you. :)
rickyrick 1 year ago
@rickyrick Yes but sometimes Opinions can have answers to them which can make you wrong or right.
shadowhunter388 1 year ago
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pricardo333 1 year ago
Pretty sad, They cant even cross the border. Just to get to the NORTH/SOUTH you have to fly through china.. So instead of taking 3 meters forward, you gotta fly back to china, then back to south Korean if you were visiting the north
RFjunk 1 year ago
Only a hundred feet apart but worlds away.
Moredread25 2 years ago