The Power of Archaeology for the D&C

[unirrational]

The logic is absolutey sound. It doesn't prove a thing, but the logic entirely blows the Evangelical argument away - that archeology proves the Bible but somehow disproves the Book of Mormon.

Interesting take Professor K.

[BackInTheGarden]

The Book Of Mormon is a LOAD OF *%^! by Joe Smith, who made up the golden plates & the revelations from The Father & Son

It's on par with the QURAN, by Mohammed. Who made up that he conversed with gabriel and received EXCEEDINGLY CONVENIENT revelations from allah, (which were ABROGATED from time to time), some god that allah, huh?

Anybody that believes either book needs to have their brain taken out of their butt & put back in their head, and then need to be prayed for....... unceasingly.

[TheBackyardProfessor]

@BackInTheGarden

So shut up already with your idiotic ranting and get to praying for us you supposed saved and loving Christian. Mockery is NOT prayer.......

[BackInTheGarden]

The Blind Leading The Blind... And with warped logic no less. Sooo Saaad.

[zakiechan]

I think this is a good challenge to Christians. But I think that the logic of this is even better reason to become an atheist. "These people existed, therefore their claims are true." LOL WUT?

Of course, we don't have historical evidence that the writers of the Gospels were convicted con artists, like Jo Smith. So the Christians do have that going for them.

[awolLDSasap]

1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. Mat 11:30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light. The underbelly of Mormonism is fear and mental bondage. Have you done enough to merit grace and eternal life with God?

[999LDS]

This is the most stupid clip i've seen for an age. Just because these people existed, dont make it right. Koresh existed. Stalin existed. So what?.

You mention Palmyra , but dont mention the 2 million that fought there with no evidence of it. You mention Carthage jail, but no mention of Smith shooting 3 and murdering 2.

The Smith papers?? You hold them, but fail to mention it was from a false prophet... who was a convicted glass looker.

[imtherealthing]

Oops sorry prof..meant to reply to the dim wit below.

[craftedashes]

You are following a false doctrine and the sad thing is I think you know it. How can u compare a 200 year old text with one that is thousands of years old. Unlike ur false prophet Joseph Smith, D&C or BoM the Bible has 100% accurate prophecy. D&C truer scripture than Bible? Really, do your research, why is D&C even referred to as scripture? Read Luke 16:16-17, there is no new revelation and scripture cannot be done away with. Please, repent and trust the biblical & historical Jesus Christ.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

You are truly ignorant and miss the point of this video.

Your kind normally say such things because of a lack of not only education but an understading of the scriptures and lack of having the Holy Ghost as a guide in your life.

[craftedashes]

@imtherealthing You are funny. They are witnesses that speak prophesy, that is to teach the things /word of God. If you notice scripture does not contradict scripture, thus a modern “prophet” cannot undo/change any prophesy previously given in the OT or fulfilled by Jesus in the NT, nor that which is yet to be fulfilled in the second coming/final days. This is one reason Joseph Smith is obviously a false prophet and liar. Check Deuteronomy 18:19-22. ie. See next response for a sampling...

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

LOL..I'm sorry but I can't help laughing at your definitions and your own interpretations of what those witnesses are. We all know that they are prophets AND prophets give what?...R.E.V.A.L.A.T.I.O.N< - that's right. Prophets can't contradict previous revelations?...really?..where does it say that in the Bible? What do you think the NT is in regards to the OT? Try "thinking" before commenting. Oh yes..the old anti-mormon objection of Deut 18:19-22...lol..get some new material

[craftedashes]

@imtherealthing You're so right they are OLD but God, the real God, does not change. So, old as it is, it is still truth. These would not still be questions if they had ever been satisfactorily answered. The fruit of the spirit you follow is shown in your responses. I will pray that you come to know the truth but until then -Matthew 10:14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. I am done with you.

[TheSkepticChristian]

@craftedashes The truth, Jack Nicholson said, you can't handle the truth.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

YOU..speaking of a "real God"? yes let's talk about the REAL GOD shall we?

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

The CONTEXT of the SHEMA (Deut 6:4) is that they were not to follow after "FALSE" gods.

Read Joshua 22:22

God is the God of gods...

Now is God the God of TRUE gods or FALSE gods?

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

The Shema which is what Deut 6:4 is refering to would not recognize your trinity..as a matter of fact that is why the Jews and Muslims refer to the trinity as "polytheism"..no matter how you SPIN it..the trinity still says they are "three seperate GODS" but are connected by this non-biblical "essence" or "substance" thus making them really ONE GOD...sorry..but the Shema does not RECOGNIZE your 3-headed god.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

TRINITY

Here is a scholarly proof of your corrupted, man-made Trinity. The Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicaea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching." -- (1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

The New Encyclopedia Britannica: "Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: (Deut. 6:4). . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since." -- Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126. (1976)

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

John 5:22

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath COMMITTED "ALL" JUDGMENT unto the Son:

so if God and Jesus are of the SAME substance/essence/mind..how can this be?

[zakiechan]

@imtherealthing John is not considered historical by most scholars. It's too late, too theologically laced, and too different from the synoptics.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Now as a LDS saint we know that Jesus was given authority to act in the Father's name. By the way..can you please point out where "in the bible" one finds the words "essence or substance" to show this connection between the godhead exists? Find them in any of the original biblical languages please.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

On the devil-inspired doctrine of the “Trinity”

The deity of Jesus Christ was decided upon by a vote . A few hundred church leaders gathered at Nicea in 325 AD. to vote on the matter. (the vote was loaded, because most of the opposing bishops were either KILLED or EXHILED or excluded!) Representation for the TRUTH about the Godhead was allowed by only a small fraction of those TRUE Christians...we lost the TRUTH then to the pagan trinity of man.

[TheSkepticChristian]

@imtherealthing "decided upon by a vote " Well I think it was after some gatherings, and discussions that they decided that the Docrine of the Trinity would be universal. Hey but those guys also organized the bible.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Acts 7:54

“When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.”

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Acts 7:51-53

“Ye STIFFNECKED and uncircumcised IN HEART and EARS, YE DO ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY GHOST: as your fathers did, SO DO YE.

Which of the PROPHETS have not your fathers PERSECUTED and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Who have RECIEVED the law BY THE DISPOSITION OF ANGELS, and have NOT KEPT IT”.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

John 17:3

“And this is ‘LIFE ETERNAL’, that THEY might KNOW THEE the ONLY TRUE GOD, “and” Jesus Christ, whom THOU HAST SENT.”

Notice the “and”…who sent Jesus?...did Jesus send himself? Silly Trinitarians. The Godhead is NOT a “mystery” like you Trinitarians teach..but it is LIFE ETERNAL to know them both as they are distinct separate beings here in this verse.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

LDS THEOLOGY(that has NEVER changed):

The Father = Fully GOD

The Son (Jehovah/Jesus) = Fully GOD

The Holy Spirit = Fully GOD

THREE seperate GODS worthy of worship, yet we pray to the FATHER GOD in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST and receive confirmation by the Holy Ghost.

TITLES like : Eternal Father or LORD can be applied to both the FATHER GOD and JESUS, Elohim also ...these are "TITLES" in MOST cases we LDS know that Lord is Jehovah/Jesus as Elohim is the Father

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

In LDS theology we say that The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are ONE in PURPOSE not BEING...this GODHEAD is what we LDS say constitutes "ONE GOD" - a unity of GODS who are ALL FULLY GOD working as ONE unit in a GODHEAD

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Why is it that one can sin against the FATHER and the SON but not against the HOLY GHOST as we read in the "bible"..if they are of the same essence or substance or MIND as trinitarians say ..why is it that you are not sinning against the HOLY GHOST when you sin against the Father and Son..if they are the same ESSENCE or SUBSTANCE or MIND?

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

How can GOD send himself as "The Only "Begotten"?..did he "beget" himself?

What about Being the "First born"..was he the first born of himself?..I thought there was no begining for God?

God the Father + God the Son + God (HS)

EQUALS "ONE GOD" according to trinitarianism...so let's add that up again:

1+1+1 = 1...lol. silly trinitarians

Don't give me the 1x1x1=1 garbage because there is NO word "essence" to support this "in" the Bible.

[TheSkepticChristian]

@imtherealthing HEY but one person can use the Bible to say that the world is going to end in May 22, 2012. Really there are people saying that right now. May 22, 2012 the Day of Judgment.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

ON ONENESS

John 17: 11, 21-22

“And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that THEY may be ONE, AS WE ARE.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Good luck to finding answers to those REAL tough questions..lol..I wonder if the anti-mormon websites you go to will have nice pat answers for you? Copy and pasting from anti-mormon websites does not make you an expert in theology...only a REAL education will do that.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Jesus' on the false "christian" churches of men and thier CREEDS: JS-H 1: 19

I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.

[craftedashes]

@imtherealthing Prophecy about Jesus' return w/in 56 yrs; Hist. of the Church, v2, p.189; would have happened in 1891. Temple to be built in Missouri w/in Smith's Generation; D&C 84:2-5,31. NY will be destroyed; 12/22-23/1832. D&C 84:114-115. New York, Albany and Boston will be destroyed... The "hour of their judgment is nigh. Stars will fall; Dec 27, 1832. D&C 88:87. the moon shall be bathed in blood, the stars shall "become exceedingly angry" and fall, all "not many days hence." ALL FAILED

[TheBackyardProfessor]

@craftedashes

No they haven't failed. Do they say WHEN they shall be fulfilled? Time isn't over yet, the end isn't here. How come it is YOUR timeline I am supposed to go by and not another's? Can you give me a logical reason why YOUR timescale is THE one that prophecies HAVE to adhere to in order to be true? Who made you God?

[imtherealthing]

@TheBackyardProfessor

I notice no response to the the answer I gave to your silly objection at the inception here...lol..too funny..I have yet to meet one intelligent anti-mormon who doesn't use google as his education...sorry but armchair academics does not replace true academics ;)

[TheSkepticChristian]

@imtherealthing "who doesn't use google as his education" WEll actually if you use google, you can find many many things like, Noah's ark has been found, or evidences against evolution.

[craftedashes]

JS gave the time line and he failed, sorry you can't c that. John 8:42–45 Jesus said to them, ... Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. ..., and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Says you..many rejected prophets before...you are like your predecessors the Saducees and Pharisees - unbelieving and serpents.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Matt. 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Matt. 10: 41

He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

John 15: 18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

That about sums it up for the anti-mormons..they HATE Jesus Christ because they hate us.

[TheSkepticChristian]

@craftedashes I have a question, (this is a really easy example, I have tougher examples) SO when God told Abraham to sacrifies his son??? Did he lie becuase he didn't sacrifies his son???????? at the end?? No of course God did NOT LIE.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

You are an "ignoramus"

The Latin:

maxim ignoramus et ignorabimus

Meaning "we do not know and will not know"

That about sums it up for you anti-mormons.

2 Tim. 3: 7

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Similarly, the Book of Mormon condemns those who hearken to the precepts of men, and [deny] the power of God and the gift of the Holy Ghost (2 Nephi 28:26).

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Paul wrote the Corinthian saints that he did not come to them with excellency of speech or of wisdom, because he had determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified (1 Cor. 2:1-2). He added that his preaching was not with enticing words of mans wisdom, but in demonstration of the spirit and of power (vs. 4). He did this, he explained, that their faith should not stand in the wisdom of man, but in the power of God (vs. 3).

[TheSkepticChristian]

@craftedashes It is unclear if D&C was a prophecy or a commandment, "temple shall be reared in this generation" (Webster's 1828 dictionary noted of "shall": In the second and third persons, shall implies a promise, command or determination. "You shall receive your wages," "he shall receive his wages.) So you are judging for something that it is not clear, Now, If the D&C 84 is meant as a prophecy, the timeline for its fulfillment depends on what Joseph meant by "generation."

[TheSkepticChristian]

@craftedashes During his ministry in Jerusalem, Jesus revealed the signs of his second coming, and prophesied that "this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" So, the nineteenth-century understanding of KJV Biblical/religious usage of "generation" includes such variations as:

all the descendants of

history

contemporaries

succession or series of people from same stock

race, posterity

one hundred years

thirty-eight years

people

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Still waiting for your answers to my questions here in a public forum so all can see you for what you are...a phony.

You are no different than the rest of your kind who just cut and pastes anti-mormon objections with no real skill at debate or any real training in Christian theology or Early Christian history and for that matter - know next to nothing of LDS theology. It's easy to just post stuff you find on-line and not worry about actually using your mind to think

[TheSkepticChristian]

@imtherealthing actually its May 22, 2011 WOW its going to be soon now!!!

[TheSkepticChristian]

@craftedashes "ALL FAILED" well actually your intepretations have failed, by the way, with interpretation one person can also claim that Biblical prophecies have failed.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

That THEY "ALL" may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that THEY MAY BE ONE, even as we are ONE”

They are ONE in purpose, NOT ONE IN BEING

Had enough yet dim witted anti-mormon?..or do you want more?..please..I await your answers...I have hundreds of these for you..I expect answers for all of them.

[TheSkepticChristian]

@imtherealthing In my opinion, noone can prove what the Bible really says, it could be intepret many ways, which noone will get in a agreement. we LDS are not based on sola scritura, we are based on revelation, which includes the Bible, book of mormon, ....... . Also, I know a baptist pastor who read the entire bible more than 100 times.

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Consider the context of Luke 16:16-17 - if taken literally then ALL prophets AFTER "John the Baptist" would not have been able to give revelation - that would exclude all of the New testament a it was not written by Christ but by PROPHETS and APOSTLES written AFTER John the Baptist. You see how flawed your understanding of scripture is because of your pride and deisre to knock down the Lord's church.

Consider Rev 11 we know that 2 PROPHETS will be killed in the last days

[imtherealthing]

@craftedashes

Where are your "prophets" in these last days that will fullfill the prophecy of Rev 11?...and what do prophets give?---> REVELATION...therefore your argument FAILS that no revelation is to be had after John the Baptist.

[MisioneriesinChile]

@JSeely218 According to the JW Jesus is not the true GOD. According to the pentecostals, God is one person, According to baptist, God in three persons. I mean who to believe???? No one has been able to prove what the Bible really says. Jesus Christ is not God the Father. He is our saviour, but not God the Father.

[MisioneriesinChile]

@TheBackyardProfessor We should get to know that the book of mormon and the bible are the word of God by the Spiri,t the Holy Ghost. By the way, if one book of mormon city gets confirmed Totaly, then likely Dawkins will become a mormon. It will be a total impact to the world if that happens. But its likely to happen, but its more likely to happen after the millenium that we comfirm a book of mormon city. Also, I was talking about my SOME of Christian brothers and their evidences of the Bible.

[TheBackyardProfessor]

@MisioneriesinChile

True enough..... I now see what you were trying to say about the comic book. You DO get my point! GRIN! Sorry, I am overly tired from overtime work, and my brain was sluggish today..... it happens from time to time. LOL!

[MisioneriesinChile]

Today is Feb 21, 2589, The spider-man comic is real, it gives an accurate history of a man named Peter Parker who became spider-man. How do I know he was real? Well according to the comic, Spider-man lived in New York city. New York city is a real place, and it still exists today, we could even find archeological evidence of the buildings that he climbed. So because of this, the comic is an accurate history!!!

[MrLewisconnolly]

LOL - this is stupid, no one debates Joseph Smith really existed: He lived less than 200 years ago: the Bible is 2000 + years old, hence the lack of photographs.

[TheBackyardProfessor]

@MrLewisconnolly

What's stupid is you obviously missed the entire point.......

[MisioneriesinChile]

@MrLewisconnolly This is not stupid. its funny, but its not stupid. However comparing D&C with the Bible, is like comparing the Bible with the Book of Mormn, since we know so little about pre-classic mayas, and we know so little about the places that are propose by scholars to be book of mormon lands. I know the Book of Mormon is true!!!

[lifeandphilosophy]

This is just silly. Critics of mormonism generally go after the book of mormom, not dc. 2nd, you put out there outlandishly ignorant remarks like "there is a debate on whether jesus existed". Not among historians! Maybe among the ignoramus' of the internet, but not historians. The arcehological debate is relevant to Christians precisely because there is a debate.

[fudley2003]

I once asked my son, "Did you go potty today." He replied by saying, "Hi papa did you know I got new shoes and they have transformers!"

I said, "Wow...is that optimus prime I see?"

He Said, "yes." (there is 100% probability that said shoes existed)

I then asked, "Did you go potty today, while you were wearing your transformer shoes?"

He paused, looked down at the floor and said, "I was wearing my old shoes." (which he was when I left earlier). I asked, "Did you go potty today?" He paused, "no"

[Hermetiqa]

Just because the people existed it does not mean their claims are true.

Also, if this strand of religion was just a myth, what would we expect to find? We would expect to not find portraits drawn of themselves.

[ChristopherMillz]

Another excellent video!

[skyaglow]

thats a beautiful video

[TheBackyardProfessor]

Hi Skyaglow! Loooooong time no see! Hope your life is wonderful and you have been having fun....

[canadianbacon007]

Feb 21, 2589. Kerry Shirts is a myth. You have no proof he ever existed.

[HonkifULuvBrownies]

lol! Wouldn't suprise me unfortunately :(

[omiolo2]

I am not sure if I can deal with the incredible graphics and visual effects.

I am so used to having to focus solely on the words instead of the peripheral.

[omiolo2]

Jerusalem exists? I thought there were NO places in the BOM that existed?

[MrGavygav]

well done video! i love the set up! Good work byp : )

[circular05]

NICE PULL! Although at about 1:13 I can see some of the wires your marionette clone is hanging from. You Mormons and your phony Youtube videos!!! ;-)

[philosophizer149]

You have got to be kidding me! So the Doctrine and Covenants is true because Joseph Smith actually existed? Right, thats great logical reasoning. Ps archeology doesn't prove the Bible!

[TheBackyardProfessor]

PRECISELY the point I am making in mocking the critics logic for proclaiming the same for the Bible. I am very glad yo got the point of my reducto absurdum.

[philosophizer149]

However, the Doctrine and Covenants does make many claims pertaining to what the Bible teaches and those I am very skeptical about! At the same time I haven't got the opportunity to examine all of the claims made by the D&C, but I look forward to doing so!

[TheBackyardProfessor]

Irrelevant to the point of my video. I am simply using the critics own logical and assumptions back at them to show them the absurdity of their archaeological assumptions. I am not trying to establish ANY doctrine of the Bible or the D&C.

[angelmarauder]

!!!

I must say that some of these comments confuse me...

[RobertBoylan1987]

On the tags for this video, you have "dptrine" as opposed to "doctrine." You might want to made the necessary edit.

V. good video, btw.

[HamblinOfJerusalem]

Excellent video and excellent argument. The corollary argument is: since most of the places and people of Greek history are known, does that prove the Zeus is Lord of Heaven? How did you do the "Green Screen" effect? Of did you sit in front of a giant projector?

[TheBackyardProfessor]

No it's a green screen effect. Very easily done. Put up a green screen, make yer video, then paste it in over a background of your own choosing. I have to learn how to shoot better backgrounds though - GRIN!

[Mackingster]

Yay you mentioned my ancestor Amasa Lyman.

[RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS]

If Christians reject book of Mormon, they should at least accept answers that early Christian apologists gave to early anti-Christians' charge of neglect. Which answers says that Christ wasn't neglectful cause he went to other nations. But if they accept archaeology, written, monumental & historical evidences that supports this aspect of early Christian apologists' claims that Christ went to other nations? Why not take next step & believe that that includes Americas, as BOM testifies! 3rd Ne.11

[RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS]

We've 1000s of artifacts, art works, writings, earlier bibles from all over historic Christianity that: Christ's & human family pre-existed. Christ, prophets & apostles preach gospel in hell; went to other nations. Baptized for dead; did temple type mysteries. Taught deification = becoming gods! That early anti-Christians argued against them like modern antis. If Christians don't believe restoration, why don't they at least believe in these earlier doctrines later legendized during Apostasy?

[Jadbgjoka]

I reject the claims of Christianity and the Mormon church, but I do enjoy you calling out Christians for believing one book over another when one belief has little (if any more) evidence than the other.

[Christisms]

But but but... D&C has an advantage over the Bible. It was written between early 19th to early 20th century AD. The Bible was written from 1,000 B.C. - 95 A.D. That is an unfair comparison ; )

Point made. It is pointless to compare the Bible to the Book of Mormon when archeological searches have been going on for longer than the Book of Mormon. I do agree that we have more evidence supporting cities and tribes for the Bible at this time (compared to the Book of Mormon).

[imtherealthing]

Good job prof - once again..showing us how these anti-mormons are just the stupidest people in the world.

No LOGIC to them.

Thier arguement for the Bible: "I believe the Bible because..um..because I say so"

...lol..hmm..sounds like a testimony to me..doncha think?...lol..foolish anti-mormons/anti-christs..the­y will never understand the Spirit.

[zakiechan]

@imtherealthing Why insist in calling them "anti mormon?" I don't refer to non atheists as "anti atheists." I am just pro truth. Instead, call them "mormon critics" or something, because otherwise it seems to create this absurd "us vs them" mentality and that "THEY are out to get us" sort of idea. Though, I have heard that is common in the LDS church anyway.

[odin422]

i loved the pictures

[TheBackyardProfessor]

Nope. They are both scripture, therefore it is apples to apples using critics themes of archaeology. And the stone box? We might well ask where is Jesus' robe he wore? The cross he was hung on? etc. There is NO proof for Biblical personalities via artifacts. There is GREAT proof for the D&C people.

[rd1999]

Donctrine and Covenantes & the Bible

= apples and oranges

Book of Mormon & Bible

= apples & apples

Who knows where the stone box was that Joesph Smith got the gold plates out of?

[myeyepie]

Toche' Toche'

[imtherealthing]

@myeyepie

Now there's an intelligent response - NOT!

How do you know the Bible is true?..please tell us it is because it is vindicated by archaeology...lol..NOT!

[imtherealthing]

@myeyepie

Acts 7:51-53

Ye STIFFNECKED and uncircumcised IN HEART and EARS, YE DO ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY GHOST: as your fathers did, SO DO YE. Which of the PROPHETS have not your fathers PERSECUTED and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have RECIEVED the law BY THE DISPOSTION OF ANGELS, and have NOT KEPT IT.

[myeyepie]

@imtherealthing

Opps! lol I meant to say toche' to the BYP not this anti dude. I am NOT with him. lol Sorry about that. I meant that the BYP's point was excellent.

[imtherealthing]

@rd1999

Where are the tablets for the ten commandments?

Tthis video argues that the Bible has less Archaeological "proofs" and he is 100% right...so because do not have the stone box now does not discount all the evidences found in GREAT abundance for the D&C. So do you believe now?..of course not..like your counter parts the Pharisees and Saducees who had the SAVIOUR himself in their presence and SAW him with their OWN eyes and his miracles - you still reject the truth as they did.

[rd1999]

@imtherealthing

Why the stone tablets are in the Ark of the Covenant of course. Hardly the same thing comparing a 2,000 year old relic from a ransacked temple to a known hill from 200 years ago that has been completely deforested in a search said box.

You assume too much, I am LDS, was doing sealing in the Temple this past Friday.

[imtherealthing]

@rd1999

You cannot prove the Bible is different from the Bible AT ALL. How do you substantiate that the men who wrote all the LETTERS and thier TESTIMONIES of the Bible were indeed prophets and apostles and that they didn't write in the names of the then known cities and rivers of THIER TIME "INTO" thier writings to make it sound vaild? It is all based on FAITH..just like the LORD wants us to see by..as he said to Thomas..blessed are those who have not seen me, yet believe.

[fleam101]

I have heard, from someone who works in the LDS archives ,that the stone box is in the archives.

[rd1999]

@fleam101 what to buy a bridge?

[fleam101]

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