@LiarsBurnInHell Yes, of course, you are absolutely right. It is interesting that those fans seem to be oblivious to the great Fred Astaire and how intensely Michael studied his smooth, highly-polished style. Elvis, needless to say, was not a dancer nor was he a songwriter. He was a singer and an actor--that it!
@LiarsBurnInHell I agree with much of what you said--certainly regarding you description of LMP.
It should be fairly obvious that I was not paying LMP a compliment when I referred to her as 'funky'. A funky-looking house is NOT a good thing. It would be almost impossible to sell because almost no one wants to buy one. The implication is that it is cheep, old, rundown, dirty, and probably rodent infested--which is highly undesirable, of course.
@LiarsBurnInHell HA! I think we all know LMP is country, and her music style is country-rock.
When someone says, "This cheese looks and smell funky" they mean the cheese looks moldy and smells musty.
As you probably know, some English words have different meanings, depending on the context. They are context dependent. Another meaning of 'funky' --the one you have in mind--is "modern, stylish, in an unconventional way". Similarly, when Michael said, "I'm BAD" he really meant "I'm GOOD."
Prior to the marriage, most of their contact as adults was by telephone. One of the few exception to that was their meeting at Brett Livingstone Strong's home in 1992. Brett recalled that LMP had refused to send a demo tape and repeatedly called him insisting that she and Michael meet instead. (LMP later told Oprah that Michael had wanted to meet with her and that she agreed because someone told her that would be good manners--which is a highly unlikely scenario, any way you look at it.)
According to what Michael later said, immediately after Chandler's false allegations went public LMP began calling him daily offering friendship and support and would get "very frustrated" if she could not get through to him. Negative "news" headlines were coming out fast and furious, and within days Michael was an emotional and physical basket case desperately trying to save his career from total destruction.
Nevertheless, her claims that Michael manipulated her into thinking that he cared about her are apparently far from true and a complete refusal on her part to accept responsibility for her own choice and her actions. Few women would interpret "If I asked you to marry me, would you do it?" as a sign of affection or a commitment to the relationship or a marriage proposal. Yet, LMP claimed that she did.
One of the things that is quite clear is that by early December 1995, Michael, his family, and his people all wanted that divorce. Although his family and his people did not know at the time how important it was to get the divorce right away, Michael obviously did. From the moment Michael began to seriously consider Debbie Rowe's offer, that PR marriage was over.
From that point on, Michael's concerns appear to have shifted to how to get the divorce without further outraging LMP. Letting the woman you are married to know that she is being replaced by your dermatologist's nurse is tricky. So tricky, in fact, that LMP didn't really take Michael seriously--perhaps because she still did not understand who she was dealing with and what Michael did and did not care about.
No doubt, no one in Michael's camp wanted any more unnecessary negative publicity. Undoubtedly, they would have wanted LMP to be the one to file for the divorce. Giving an already hostile media a reason to publish headlines that read "Jackson Divorces Presley" would certainly not have been in Michael's best interest.
Once Michael walked out on LMP, it appears that his people were content to wait for LMP to take the only course of action available to her. It's hard to believe that even Michael could have anticipated that it would take LMP months to accept the inevitable and file for the divorce.
EXCERPT: "By the winter of 1995, Lisa and Michael weren't even speaking, and not because Lisa didn't want to communicate with him, but because she simply could not find him. She didn't know his whereabouts, only that he was not at Neverland--and no one in his camp would give her any information."
That December, Michael was in New York rehearsing for a scheduled cable show (which never took place). On December 6th he collapsed and was rushed to Beth Isreal Hospital suffering from what his doctors described as heart arrhythmia, perhaps brought on by exhaustion and stress.
Until that time, LMP did not know where he was, and his people were instructed not to tell her. I am not going to go into the details here, but I am going to point out a few facts.
(1) LMP later said that she went to the hospital to have what she called a "showdown" with Michael.
(2) Unbeknownst to LMP, Debbie Rowe was already pregnant before that December with the child she miscarried.
"Did Lisa know about the pregnancy? 'I don't think Debbie even knew yet,' observed Monica Pastelle. 'I think by the time Michael was on his back in the hospital, she was only a couple of weeks' pregnant. As for Lisa, if she had known, do you think Michael would have been still drawing breath when she left that hospital room?'"
3) LMP said that after shouting at him, Michael told her that she was causing trouble and asked her to leave. While LMP waited in the hall for an elevator, she was told by his doctor that, under the circumstances, if she could not control her behavior she would not be permitted to visit Michael again. Katherine, Michael's mother, had also heard LMP shouting at Michael in his room behind closed doors, and she was livid.
"As Lisa stood waiting for the elevator, Katherine walked up to her and exploded in stunned disbelief. 'What is wrong with you, Lisa,' she hissed. 'You are so spoiled. I can't believe you would do that to Michael.'"
"Lisa wanted to see Michael the next day. 'Absolutely not,' Michael's handlers told her. There had been a meeting with Jackson family members and it was decided that Lisa was an antagonizing presence in Michael's life, and that he should now be protected from her, at all costs."
LMP was furious that Michael had told her to leave his hospital room and that she was barred from calling or seeing him, so she flew back to LA. Michael left the hospital one week later and flew off to France to relax and recuperate while he vacationed with friends.
On January 18, 2006, LMP filed for the divorce. In the divorce petition filed by LMP, she listed Sunday, December 10, 1995--the day that she went to Michael's hospital room--as the 'Date of Separation'. In reality, Michael had walked out on LMP many weeks before and had accepted Rowe's offer well before December 1, 1995.
i really love these pictures when they were in paris because he looks really handsome here and they're both look good and very happy. :) also love the MTV kiss, it should have a slowmotion and close up of that kiss. :))
@ycd1975 You're an ignoramus, just like your friends and relatives! The marriage and the kiss were for PR. Here's what LMP said:
'That was not my idea, by the way', she says. 'I was terrified. It was his manager's idea. I thought it was stupid. All of a sudden I became part of a PR machine'.
It seemed like a blatant gimmick to prove -- to start with -- that he was straight.
'Yeah, but again, I wasn't looking at it like that. See, if I had been, that wouldn't have ever happened'.
@rocknroll773 The words "embellish" and "exaggerate" have very different denotations and connotations. Do yourself a favor. Take a few minutes and look them up in a dictionary.
The words "embellish" and "exaggerate" have very different denotations and connotations. Do yourself a favor. Take a few minutes and look them up in a dictionary.
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Wow! This is funny, because I did look them up before I posted it. Because, I did'nt want you to point me out as being wrong. :)
@rocknroll773 For example, a person who is hired to teach a math class and then immediately sets out to guarantee that every student in the class receives an "F" is exhibiting passive-aggressive behavior. That teacher may be either shy or gregarious.
@rocknroll773 Without delving into the specific nature of Michael Jackson's personality--which neither one of us is qualified to analyze or accurately characterize, apparently--I should point out that the term "passive-aggressive" has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the individual is shy. From a clinical point-of-view, a passive-aggressive person has a personality disorder.
@rocknroll773 Needless to say, your kind words are appreciated. Nevertheless, this is as good a time as any to point out that when it comes to the English language, you are speaking to a higher authority.
@MeganBrW I just want to say that I think you are awesome in your knowledge and wealth of information. I just looked up denotation(literal meaning) and connotation(suggestive word to it's literal meaning). Thanks. And you're right, from a clinical point of view, the term "passive-aggressive" does refer to a personality disorder. Although I do not agree with your example.
@rocknroll773 Because one of the characteristics of passive-aggressive behavior is that there is no "real" reason for the behavior, so it's a disorder. LMP exhibits passive (make nice)-aggressive (attack) behavior towards Michael because she is still angry and she still wants revenge. Similarly, Oprah wanted to appear unbiased (make nice) about Michael, but she did want to paint him in a negative light (aggressive), presumably because she believes he was bad for her image.
@rocknroll773 You don't like that example? Here's another example. Both Oprah and LMP exhibit passive-aggressive behavior towards Michael. Their aggressive (attack) statements frequently go unnoticed by some people. A psychiatrist would probably not call Oprah or LMP passive-agressive, but a layperson might. Why?
@rocknroll773 Well, in common, everyday usage (which is not clinical) when someone says someone else's behavior is passive-aggressive he or she usually means that the person's aggressive behavior is covert, rather than overt, and therefore can go unnoticed by some and often does, for a while at least.
@ycd1975 First, you wicked trolls accuse him of being gay and a pedophile and torture the poor man until he can barely sleep at night. Then, you claim that he loved a woman he couldn't even stand being around, hid from, and walked out on. Don't you disgusting creatures have any shame? Why would Michael Jackson be in love with a low-class-red-lipstick-wearing, crude, foul-mouthed, uneducated whore?
I absolutely agree with you. You are 100% right. LMP is talking all BS now after he died. She says she realised he really loved her only after he died. How immature for her age and after 4 marriages and many more affairs. No wonder hardly anybody believes what she says. If she did love him she wld hv stood by his side when he needed him, esp. she says when he last calld her in 2005 (she says there is not a word abt her from Michaels Jackson's side).
@umamaheshwari56 I don't think anyone cares how LMP felt about Michael. I certainly don't. Even if she did love him, Michael clearly DID NOT love her. If I fall in love with a man, I can't make him love me.
Michael walked out on LMP in '95 and then FORCED THE DIVORCE on her. That choice wasn't hers. A woman can't hold onto a man who doesn't want her.
Why would he call her in 2005? In 2003 he publicly dismissed her. In 2005 she had been publicly attacking him. That makes NO sense! She's SICK!
@MeganBrW There are still some who want to create a fantasy out of this like it is the lovestory of the century. . I feel LMP only fell for his image and his personality. When things did not work her way she started badmouthing him. He lost interest once his kids were born. With reg. to divorce, it is LMP who walked out and applied for divorce.MJ was shooting for TDCAU in Brazil and Spike Lee who was the director of the vids said it never affected MJ.
@MeganBrW contd.. he was behaving normal as though nothing had happened. Its shows he never cared and was prepared for the separation. He didn't even fight it out disappointing both LMP and her mom. Abt the 2005 call, she said so in Oprah n even if we try to believe her, she cannot claim she loved him – when she did not stand by his side when he needed her. I cannot stand the part when she made fun of him and all in the audience laughing & today she says she loved him. a big joke.
@umamaheshwari56 Yes. I am aware that Spike Lee said if he hadn't heard on the news he would not have known they were divorcing because Mike was in a good mood, laughing, joking, and having fun as usual. The reality is Michael desperately wanted and needed that divorce--and right away.
How does a woman leave a man who walked out on her 6 weeks before she filed for the divorce? Does that make any sense to you?
Let's skip the drama and LMP's face-saving PR spin. Here are the FACTS:
@MeganBrW so very true - how come there are still people who believe she was so very in love with him while she keeps spinning yarns abt how much he loved her. and how united they were. As long as there are such people, LMP will never tire from milking Michael. I get very angry when I watch her using Michael the way she wants. The media too is lapping it up. How come her 4th husband puts up with her nonsense. When I read some posts saying how LMP fell apart at his funeral-it makes me laugh.
@TheAnuc Although their relationship did not start out that way, Oprah and Michael hated each other. Anyone who thinks that LMP and Oprah are not in the same camp, hasn't been paying attention. It is not likely that LMP and Michael would have wanted to even be in the same room together either. Once one moves all of the PR bs aside, that becomes apparent.
@TheAnuc "I know how Oprah feels about my brother and family. I also know that he would not have wanted this. In fact, she is the last person on earth he would want around his children. I can never forget when she had the show on pedophilia during the jury deliberation process in my brother's Santa Maria case. That was no coincidence."
@TheAnuc But given LMP's personality and well-known history, combined with everything that was already known about the relationship, the old interviews, and the private tapes Michael left with Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, that scenario doesn't even stand a chance.
Here is what Michael's brother Randy said about Oprah's true feelings about Michael and how Michael really felt about Oprah.
@TheAnuc Oprah knows perfectly well what side her bread is buttered on (and so does LMP's current husband), and her highly "supportive-actress" role in that 2010 interview is nothing more than a clear indication of that. Oprah was doing her best to help LMP land face up.
@TheAnuc Oprah is definitely not a naive woman, and she certainly is no dummy. From the start, that woman never believed--even for a nano-second--that Michael was in love with Lisa Marie Presley. That has not changed. What also has not changed is Oprah's public support for LMP, the daughter of a great American icon.
@TheAnuc But Michael was far from the first celebrity to marry someone for PR reasons, and that kind of marriage never seemed to bother the media before. So why were those same people so outraged when Michael married for PR reasons? The answer seems to be that it was not the PR marriage itself that bothered them. It was who he married.
@TheAnuc For a long time, many people wondered how could she leave Michael. Little did they know--she didn't. The media refused to be manipulated by the PR marriage and all of the other PR stunts associated with it. Not only did those PR maneuvers not help Michael's public image, they actually further damaged his already fragile relationship with the media. It wasn't just Diana Sawyer who was furious about the PR marriage, virtually the entire mainstream media was.
@TheAnuc For years, people who didn't know much about the relationship assumed LMP was being honest when she claimed that she had left Michael for the sake of her children. Those people took LMP's face-saving PR statement at face value. They had absolutely no idea that Michel walk out on LMP in 1995, weeks before she gave in and filed for the divorce in January of 1996. That was one more humiliating reality for LMP, so she obscured it from public view.
@TheAnuc In a Marie Claire interview, not long before Michael died, LMP said, "My biggest mistake? Let's see, how can I word this? Um. Well, leaving my first marriage, for the person that I left it for — that was probably the biggest mistake of my life."
@TheAnuc “I was naive on that front,” she admitted. “I was in this constant struggle that went something like this: a man who’s with me who has nothing is gonna be stomped on and have no identity left by the time [the press] get done with him. He’ll be Mr. Fu**in’ Presley. I thought, I need to be with someone bigger than I am—or at least comparable—so they don’t get trampled."
@TheAnuc My guess is there are very few people who actually believe much of anything LMP says anymore. After all, it's extremely obvious that Michael had no real interest in LMP and it is well known that right after Debbie offered to have children for him Michael dumped her.
@TheAnuc LMP is not only funky--which is bad enough--LMP is hillbilly funky. In recent years, a few hillbillies may have looked at videos of LMP with Michael and thought---Wow, cool. They look cute together--but most people have always been nonplussed since they were so clearly a mismatched pair. Meanwhile, the rest of us have been saying, "Now, that was absurd. What was Michael Jackson supposed to do with something like that? Dance on her.
Now, that was DRAMA, folks! And fantasy, of course.
"Did Michael have to die for you to realize that he loved you?"
Would Brad Pitt have to die for Jennifer to realize that he loves her? When Oprah tried that "You two belong together nonsense with Pitt after he walked out on Aniston, he ignored Oprah's antics and went ahead and did exactly what he wanted to do with the person he wanted to do it with--and that certainly wasn't Aniston. If Pitt dies, Aniston can claim he called her and cried. LOL
jeffrlindt when she hears that michael loved lmp she gets angry a lot and starts to insult people besides lmp she has no respect for his love for lmp that's for sure
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people like jeffrlindt has no life this person has many sock accounts like celiaplanet,katierish,nancyfox,ecc she has many sock accounts to come on mj and lmp videos to insult lmp and despise michael's feelings for lisa marie and claims that michael was never in love with lmp like if she was one of michael's true friends when these true friends of him said the opposite she pretends to know it more michael's true friends she is very ridiculous
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if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck!! women like presley and @hidcon23 are nothing but dick trouble. they don't know when to get off and leave the man alone. i pull no punches with women like that. mike should never have been alone in the same room with that whore. geeees
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It is almost unbelievable how Mike's luck changed after 1990. Everything went wrong. UNBELIEVABLE! Everyone knew he was in love with Diana, but it wasn't until he refused to go to her wedding that people realized how deeply he loved her. When she married in 1991 that seemed to change everything for him. He wasn't able to marry the woman he always loved. Then the media turned on him so he hastily married two women he didn't share anything in common with and didn't love. That was sad and bad!
@celiaplanet he hastly married two women didn't share anything in common with didn't love ? did michael tell u he never loved lisa marie and debbie rowe personally ?
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@hldcon23 alright, already!! you did't talk to the guy personally either. we gets it, okay! you're an ugly white ignorant italian bitch who loves black men especially the ones with big dicks. but if you can't convince them and everybody else that ugly, dumb white lying whores are what they want you'll never be able to have your dreams come true of having a gigantic black dick fuck out what little brains you have. now move on whore. find that dick if you can and put it in your mouth first.
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@JeffRLintd Hey take it easy with the racism buddy, I'm half Italian and I can't stand Elvis or his ugly daughter but have loved MJ all my life! Liz Taylor was one of MJ's staunchest supporters when other celebrity "friends", like Diana Ross, ran for cover! Oh, and even Madonna (another Italian "bitch") defended MJ after the Bashir doco when all Lisa Marie could do was literally giggle about his trial (on Larry King). So ease up with your racism that has no rhyme nor reason to it!
@BiancaDarling DIDNT NOBODY INVITE UR TROLLING ASS HERE TO WATCH THE IMAGES OVER AND OVER! Stay the hell away feen! MICHAEL DIDNT WANT TATIANA THUMBTZEN, HE MARRIED LISA, so apparently he wanted her, Worry about the GHETTO wart he didnt want!
@Sherayx very true he loved lmp so much and not tatiana infact most tatiana fans are so angry about it that's the reason because they insult lmp but tatiana fans will never change his had much love for lisa and not for tatiana whether they like it or not
@XxBiancaDarlingxX I doubt Tatiana has been working as a waitress/hostess. I read that immediately after the firing Michael's father became her manager. She's a Juilliard graduate, so her credentials are excellent, her mistake wasn't serious, and she knows ppl. Michael's team was sensitive because of the cross-over factor. Rumors about her having an inside track would have been intimidating to white females. That's also why Mike didn't marry until "forced" to. I don't think he want a white wife
@MeganBrW Okay, well all I knew about Tatiana was an interview in which she was described as a "hostess", I don't know that much about her (as I'm sure you can tell), although I did know Joe Jackson was her manager at one point. The only reason I ask is that whenever any MJ fan shows a dislike for LMP, suddenly, they are a "Tatiana fan" or "working for Tatiana" (i.e; posting messages for her!) which is a very frustrating, repeated claim when you know as little about the woman as I do.
@XxBiancaDarlingxX I don't know much about her either. However, I know enough about the black American culture to know she would have enough contacts to easily be able to avoid a fate like that. Black people know exactly what that firing was all about. On the other hand, if Michael had any romantic interest in her he would not have allowed that to happen. I wouldn't worry about the "Tatiana fan" nonsense. Those LMP fans have minds like little girls and try every ridiculous avenue of attack.
@MeganBrW BTW, what do you mean when you say "black ppl know what that firing was all about"? Wasn't she fired simply because she surprised Michael with an unplanned kiss and he was embarrassed and angered in front of all those ppl? I'm trying to think what else the firing could be about, other than this? Incidentally, there is no sarcasm in these questions, I really am just curious?
@MeganBrW .... the kiss, so I feel very sure he didn't know it was going to happen either. Okay, now I've just tied myself up in knots, I still don't know what you mean by what you said! LOL
@XxBiancaDarlingxX Do you really believe Michael was easily embarrassed or angered? A man who regularly holds his crotch in front of millions of women is not likely to be embarrassed by much of anything. That was Michael's persona. It is likely that he believed TT took advantage of him, and very possibly she did. I doubt Michael would have allowed anyone--certainly not TT or LMP--to interfere with what he wanted. During those years, Michael was still completely focused.
@MeganBrW No. I have seen that video several times now and Michael looks embarrassed. No doubt he felt taken advantage of, for sure, but he actually blushes a blush of red and looks genuinely embarrassed. Not because he was some Nancy-boy that had never been kissed, I'm not suggesting that, but because he was a relatively shy man and the kiss was unexpected and unprofessional. He obviously felt humiliated and other strong emotions, otherwise, he wouldn't have fired her that same night.
@XxBiancaDarlingxX Michael wanted his cross-over fans to have those experiences. His appeal to them depended upon it and so did his enormous financial success. In order to have a vicarious experience one has to be able to identify with the person through which the feelings or actions are transmitted. In other words, white female fans would not have been able to experience Michael through Tatiana, but they could and did experience Michael vicariously through LMP.
@XxBiancaDarlingxX I mean, think about it. A female who spends perfectly good money to attend a Michael Jackson concert, then faints or runs up onto the stage didn't go to that concert to listen to Michael sing or watch him dance. She just missed the rest of the show! She went to the concert to intensify the experience she feels while she is fantasizing.
@XxBiancaDarlingxX If that ball had gotten rolling, there would have been no way of controlling or even knowing where it would go. That was the problem for Michael, his manager, and his PR team. Controlling the public's perception of Michael was critical. Michael and his team invested a considerable amount of time and energy into cultivating the fantasies of his female cross-over fans. Michael's appear to that group was primarily based upon those fantasied.
@XxBiancaDarlingxX First, I should clear up some of the points you speculated about. Michael was indeed taken completely by surprise by that kiss. It is possible Tatiana did not pre-plan to kiss Michael on stage. However, Michael apparently thought she may have and she had crossed a line. Ultimately, whether or not the kiss was spontaneous was irrelevant. Either way, it presented an excellent opportunity for the media to speculate about a romance between Michael and TT.
@XxBiancaDarlingxX Yes, I can see your question arose out of genuine curiosity.
I'll try to answer your question "Wasn't she fired simply because she surprised Michael with an unplanned kiss and he was embarrassed and angered in front of all those ppl?" in a way that will make sense to you.
@MeganBrW It's one thing to grab your own crutch as part of a well-rehearsed stage performance; it's another to be kissed unexpectedly in front of thousands of ppl and giant video screens by someone who, essentially, was only hired to walk on and off the stage. I think Michael was shocked, humiliated, the works, not just because it was so unprofessional, but because at heart he was a shy man and a man who had a particular penchant for always being in control.
@TheDancersOnly We must be viewing different videos. Tell me how to get to the one you have seen. Michael was a black guy who grew up in home full of kids. Are you kidding me? Michael wasn't shy. Michael's persona was shy, but Michael definitely wasn't. That's absurd! Michael may have been angry, but he wasn't embarrassed. For example, in the video where Michael is at a show honoring Elvis, while the audience sees his persona he is actually giving LMP and the others directions to stand. LOL
@MeganBrW I'm not absurd thank you, and I certainly don't want to get into an absurd argument over whether or not Michael Jackson was shy. But I have seen Michael when he was kissed on stage and yes, he blushed .. okay? Why don't you watch it again - I don't know why you can't see what I see, it really doesn't bother me though because I am convinced of what I saw. Nothing you have said proves mathematically that Michael wasn't shy and Michael said himself many, many times that he was.
@MeganBrW At the 1984 Grammy's Michael says of his mother, and I quote "She doesn't want to come up (on stage) .. she's like me .. she's shy". Was his mother's shyness a stage persona as well? Michael was obviously gentle and quite shy of demeanor. Not a hopeless introvert, obviously, but reserved and on the shy side. If you knew him personally then feel free to correct me, but if not then my opinion is as valid as yours. Most ppl have many dimensions to their personality.
@MeganBrW Michael's personality can be described as passive/aggressive. Which means in certain situations, or around certain people he very well could have been and was naturally and really shy, while in other situations, mainly familiar, he was not. He was able to be more assertive. Personality which makes up a person is very complicated, because it is controlled by the mind and influenced by emotions. Oh, and in the English language, there are two different words that means the same thing.
@rocknroll773 Here is another point worthy of mention. Absolutely no two words in the English language mean exactly the same thing. (I don't know how many times I have said that to students.) For one thing, the English lexicon is enormous (though no one can say how many words are in the language). Then there is the richness of the language resulting from a word's denotation as well as its connotation.
@TheDancersOnly Janet and Michael were basically two sides of the same coin. Janet isn't shy and neither was Michael. Take a look at Michael at 5. Then, take a look at Michael at 50. What you see is the same thing. Michael didn't change one iota in between those years. His personality remained constant. Other black entertainers--Eddie Murphy, for example--have eluded to the fact that Michael actually wasn't shy at all. Dick Clark said Michael was a "man in control" even as a young child.
@MeganBrW For eg; if you were to ask my close friends and family, they would probably say I am talkative and extrovert, but get me around ppl I don't know so well, and I clam up and become very shy. I've always been this way. It's also true that many artistic ppl are shy in everyday life, but then come to life on stage. MJ said many times that he only felt comfortable on stage. He also said he was very uncomfortable around "everyday ppl". I don't know .. are u saying that everything the guy ..
@MeganBrW .. ever said about himself was a lie? It's starting to seem that way. If so, you're not doing his memory any favours. You're painting him like everything he did was a type of trick or scheme. I am not naive and I understand very well about stage personas and target marketing of a product, a pop-star is a product, but Michael was also a human with relatively obvious human traits. If he was pure construct as you seem to be suggesting, then he wouldn't have connected with his fans so well
@MeganBrW And btw (and I know I said I wouldn't get into an absurd argument, but anyway ..) if you're going to use the testimony of MJ's show-biz friends to prove your point, keep in mind that Sophia Loren, Cher, Liza Minelli and Liz Taylor all waxed lyrical during Michael's lifetime about how "gentle" and "shy" he was. Actually, at the 1988 NAACP awards, Liz Taylor states to the audience of Michael and herself "We're both very shy". I don't know, was that all a "lie" too?
@TheDancersOnly I watched a video in which Michael walked out to give an award to Eddie Murphy. I would say Michael was being demure. That is to say, that night he had an affectedly modest manner. The media person (one of those "talking heads") who described Michael's appearance that evening characterized him as being "painfully shy." I don't think Michael ever made that mistake again. Did Michael want to be perceived as shy? Yes. Did he want to be perceived as painfully shy? I don't think so.
@TheDancersOnly Often, LMP has described herself as being shy. LMP certainly does not fit my definition of shy. The typical person is not gregarious, certainly not in public situations. The next level down is not shy. Shy is at the other end of the spectrum, and most people are not appropriately placed there either. Katherine's reluctance to go up onto the stage is a typical reaction. Unless I absolutely had to go up there, I am quite sure I would have declined the offer, too, and I'm not shy.
@TheDancersOnly Guess which word probably has more sex appeal to women? How do I know Michael was not shy? Well, the typical child would not have reached up and taken Dick Clark's microphone so that he could be heard and then spoken assertively. At a very early age, the typical child would not have been eager to perform in front of a group of complete strangers, and the list goes on.
@TheDancersOnly Why? Because the word "modest" implies an unassuming manner in one who--because of ability, achievement, etc.--might be expected to assert himself or herself strongly. That would be like saying "I know I'm great, but I act like the rest of you." Someone else could have referred to Michael as modest, but it is quite another thing for a person to refer to himself as modest.
@TheDancersOnly Most of the time, when people use the word "shy" they are not using it with precision. Michael used the word to describe himself, but a more precise word to describe that particular aspect of his personality would be "modest." Michael was indeed a modest man.
However, if Michael had used the word "modest" to describe himself he would not have been perceived as charming.
@TheDancersOnly When it comes to language, precision is everything. English is an incredibly powerful and useful language because it has so many words with which to express meaning and each word had a denotation and a connotation. Consequently, no two words in the English language mean exactly the same thing.
@TheDancersOnly Editors deliberately used the word "dangle" in its various forms knowing quite well (a) the photos clearly showed Michael holding Blanket with his arm tightly wrapped around the baby's torso, (b) "to dangle" means to hang, swinging loosely and usually implies the object is not being held firmly. Generally, the word "dangling" evokes an association with danger. That is what media editors were after and, of course, it worked.
@TheDancersOnly Putting the desired spin on content is a large part of an editor's job. There is nothing wrong with that, but that kind of power can and often is abused.
In Michael's case, this was a large part of what happened.
@TheDancersOnly Now, here is the problem--and all editors know this whether they work for a publishing house, for a university, or for the media--you can influence (and given enough time, even control) how and what people thing and feel about something or someone by the choice of words you use.
@MeganBrW what a selling point his natural shyness was, i.e; because it was terribly appealing to females. I'm not saying Michael didn't play up to the shyness or at times try to exaggerate it, but the shyness was definitely there. It's something he recognised in himself from quite an early age and something he knew could be used toward giving himself mass-appeal. There's nothing wrong with that, Michael was just good at marketing himself. The same way he recognised in himself ..
@MeganBrW in a way, you could say he exploited himself, for his own commercial benefit. He looked at himself, looked at the character traits he possessed, and then set about integrating them into a very successful career. But about being in "stage mode", I think you'll find that is what happened with the Tatiana Thumzken situation, i.e; Michael was in stage mode (which like I say is almost like automatic pilot) doing all the showy, extrovert things he did on stage ..
@TheDancersOnly We have got so much work to do. I can scarcely believe we're having this discussion. Let me see if I can end this on an agreeable note.
I would say that, as the average person applies the word "shy," Michael probably was shy. Apparently, as the average person accepts the word "dangling," Michael was dangling his infant son over the side of the balcony.
@MeganBrW .. a lost childhood and also realised this could be used to help give him mass appeal. But it doesn't mean his feelings weren't real or that his childhood wasn't really lost, it just means MJ was good at manipulating his own personality for his own commercial benefit. He was certainly a genius in that way, among others.
@MeganBrW .. did that to you in an office, for eg; you could sue them for sexual harassment. And like I say, I'm not suggesting MJ was sexually naive, not at all, but he did express many times that he was a gentleman and didn't like to discuss his sex-life in public, so this suggests to me that private and public displays of sexuality were two very different things to him. I don't think a man like that would have taken too kindly to such an unexpected, terribly public display of affection ..
@MeganBrW Okay wait (LOL) I think I may have figured this out (LOLOL!), are you saying that Tatiana was fired in order to vindicate the fantasies of Michael's white audience, though nevertheless, if Michael had in fact had feelings for her, he wouldn't have allowed this "stunt" to occur? Is that it? But then again, you said her "mistake" wasn't serious, so does that mean she didn't know this was going to happen? Looking at the footage though, Michael seems genuinely surprised by ....
how many rude and nasty haters of lmp they never met her and they insult her they don't have any respect for michael's feelings for her they are really sick haters
@hldcon23 First of all how could she be husband hunting and she was a KID when she went to Michael's concert and he started pursuing her from that point on, and he NEVER EVER walked out on her, ppl lie on ppl like a rug! Not true at all, we ALL know what happened so why do these ppl come with this long drawn out story that they WANTED to have happened and really think u r suppose to sway from reality just bc they r delusional as hell! Hhahaha!
@Sherayx yes these haters of lmp are very delusional plus they insult her because they are envy that michael was really in love with her if you've noticed when they hear it they get angry very much and they start to insult people and her anyway they can hate her what they want but it will not change the fact that michael was in love with her and he always had a pic of her by his bed after the divorce and over they can put their soul to rest about it
When someone insists upon forcing herself upon a man that just isn't interested in her, that's disturbing and distasteful. If I fall in love with someone, that doesn't mean that person has to fall in love with me. Chasing after that person, then trying to make his life miserable forever because I didn't get my way isn't going to make him love me, nor should it.
LMP was husband hunting, pure and simple. Bret, the man whose house they met at in 1992, said that Michael had only asked for a demo tape to be sent. Bret said LMP refused to send the tape and insisted upon meeting Michael in person. (In the Oprah interview, LMP implied that Michael had requested the meeting. Apparently, that was not true.) Michael said that later LMP would call him every day and get very frustrated when she couldn't get through to him.
To my knowledge, there is just no valid reason to question what LMP said about her feelings. She said that she loved him, at first (until she realized that he wasn't in love with her). But, frankly, it was presumptuous of her to think that Michael had fallen in love with her. After all, she pursued him. "If I asked you to marry me, would you do it" is hardly a profession of love. No one was surprised when she began to talk about the marriage and how miserable it was.
Clearly, she knew the rumors and the legal situation he was in at the time. Realistically, she was not what anyone like him would have consider to be a good catch. LMP was not pretty or personable or classy, she had absolutely no style or accomplishments, she had only a 10th grade education, he did't need her money, and she already had two children from her current marriage. After Debbie Rowe proposed her solution, what did LMP have to offer Michael? Nothing!
Once she realized that Michael was not in love with her and he walked out on her to force the divorce upon her so that he could accept DR's offer to have children for him, LMP should have left Michael alone. Michael certainly would not have wanted someone like her around his children. LMPs behavior is not only crude and obnoxious, it is downright obsessive and scary.
Personally, I am not interested in how LMP felt or feels, either. I am here because of Michael, and for no other reason. Just because a particular type of female desperately wanted to believe that Michael had fallen in love with someone like herself didn't mean that Michael was under any obligation to do so. He wasn't.
Michael was a very honest man. A bright woman--like Madonna or Debbie, for example--would have concluded that Michael was asking for a favor when he said, "If I asked you to marry me, would you do it?" Yet, LMP said that after she said, "Yes," she expected Michael to ask her to marry him, but he never did. He just acted like everything was settled. Madonna said that when Michael held her hand she realized that he was looking for a friend, not for romance.
She's in mourning? He walked out on her to marry Rowe. Didn't she tell an interviewer that they had not even spoken to each other in twelve years? And in 2004, didn't he say that after the divorce (which he had to forced her into) she kept pursuing him and his mother? Didn't he say that he simply didn't have any feeling in his heart for her? Isn't she married to her 4th husband now? Didn't she say that marrying him was the biggest mistake she ever made? And she is in mourning? She's a Lunatic!
We've all heard the saying "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder." Undoubtedly, there is a lot of truth to that. Since she doesn't have the kind of looks or personality that would stand out in a crowd, I have never thought of LMP as even attractive. She's average. It would never occur to me to characterize her as beautiful in any way.That would be an enormous stretch. Michael didn't treat her as if she were a beautiful woman in his mind. Apparently, he saw her as nothing more than average also.
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In reality, Michael was never in love with LMP to begin with. Apparently, LMP assumed that he had fallen in love with her. That was presumptuous of her. And she was persistent. In 2004, Michael said that after the divorce she would contact him. He said she even sent him a letter offering to have 9 babies for him, and she was always hanging around his mother. Presumably, LMP wanted his mother to help her. Perhaps she did. Michael said that it was difficult for him to say no to someone he loved.
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Even if one acknowledges that Madonna is smarter than LMP, it is still difficult to understand why LMP would interpret a question like "If I asked you to marry me, would you do it" as a profession of love. That sounds more like a request for a favor, which it apparently was, rather than a real marriage proposal. Presumably, she later felt like an idiot.
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Even LMP couldn't remain in denial forever.
LMP couldn't remain in denial forever. "My biggest mistake? Let's see," she begins quietly. "How can I word this? Um. Well, leaving my first marriage, for the person that I left it for — that was probably the biggest mistake of my life." (from LMP and 4th husband's Marie Claire interview)
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Once it became apparent that the marriage was not helping his public image and Debbie offered to have children for him, it was over for Lisa Marie. She said that after she realized why he had married her she told him that she wasn't going to get pregnant because she wasn't even going to sleep with him. (You can Google what she says about that argument.) She says that Mike told her, point blank, that Debbie had made him and offer, and if that was the way things were, he would accept it.
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Prince Charles was never in love with Diana and Michael Jackson was never in love with Lisa Marie. Both men married their first wives for similar reasons. They hoped marrying these women would improve their public image.
In the Prince of Wales' case, it did--until Diana and the world discovered the sad truth. In the King of Pop's case, it didn't. That, combined with the fact that once LM realized the truth she wouldn't sleep with him, was the real reason for the divorce.
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Michael was an incredibly kind man and a well-respected artist. He certainly didn't deserve to have his name treated this way. This place is like an emotional sewer brimming with garbage.
If some of you MJ/LMP fans are looking for a place to discuss and talk about them, message me. There's a jackson/presley forum board and if you're interested, I'll give you the link to it.
Don't misunderstand me; I know they loved each other very much, but I don't think they "never got over each other". why then would lisa badmouth him in the oprah interview, diane sawyer and howard stern? .. just asking.
Gosh! I love his ass in 2:07-2:10. I would have loved to smack his beautiful round buns so baddddddddddd! I love the way those black pants nicely fit him, accentuating his nice shaped, long legs, so damn sexyyyyyyyy! How I wish I was her at 2:15-2:28. She was so damn lucky to had Michael. Alot of women would have given anything to be in her place, I know I would have.
Se fosse mesmo amor teria resistido a tudo e não duraria tão pouco tempo. Acredito muito mais numa grande paixão, cheia de atração física de um homem de 36 anos por uma bela mulher de 26. E como a maioria das paixões, não suportou as dificuldades e acabou.
Quando se am alguém tenta-se de tudo pra salvar o amor e a quem se ama, realmente.
Its good after they were DIvorced, they both keep in touch to each other. That was nice! My questions Is, How can you break-up w/ the Man you've Loved so much as what she said, so easily & immediately file a Divorce? Me, myself i would'nt do that,I'll try my best to talk to him & made compromise! coversation is d best thing to solved whatever problems all about.just 2 settle it once &4 all! in my opinion, Lisa loved M.J. but her loved was NOT enough to ignore all d.problems they both had.
I absolutely agree with you, even when he was married to Debbie, he went to South Africa with Lisa Marie, and he took her out on her birthday....They always kept talking and after the Bashir interview she called him for encouragement....that says there was always love there...
Eu vendo essas fotos, sinto uma harmoinia, um amor grande entre eles dois,principalmente em MJ,e quando li o blog LMP acredito também que o amor entre os dois era realmente verdadeiro e recíproco.
Nice pictures. If anyone notice, they really look very happy in most of them.. Especially MJ..yes it was reported on CNN that LMP was very emotional when MJ's casket arrived.
yes she did she called him after she saw the bashir documentary to give him her support-she thought it was ''overly cruel'' and when they called her to testify against him she said she never saw anything that would ever allude any innapropriate behavior-so she DID defend him. she was at his funeral tonight.
@LiarsBurnInHell Yes, of course, you are absolutely right. It is interesting that those fans seem to be oblivious to the great Fred Astaire and how intensely Michael studied his smooth, highly-polished style. Elvis, needless to say, was not a dancer nor was he a songwriter. He was a singer and an actor--that it!
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@LiarsBurnInHell Whew! Glad we got that cleared up.
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@LiarsBurnInHell I agree with much of what you said--certainly regarding you description of LMP.
It should be fairly obvious that I was not paying LMP a compliment when I referred to her as 'funky'. A funky-looking house is NOT a good thing. It would be almost impossible to sell because almost no one wants to buy one. The implication is that it is cheep, old, rundown, dirty, and probably rodent infested--which is highly undesirable, of course.
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@LiarsBurnInHell HA! I think we all know LMP is country, and her music style is country-rock.
When someone says, "This cheese looks and smell funky" they mean the cheese looks moldy and smells musty.
As you probably know, some English words have different meanings, depending on the context. They are context dependent. Another meaning of 'funky' --the one you have in mind--is "modern, stylish, in an unconventional way". Similarly, when Michael said, "I'm BAD" he really meant "I'm GOOD."
MeganBrW 6 months ago
Prior to the marriage, most of their contact as adults was by telephone. One of the few exception to that was their meeting at Brett Livingstone Strong's home in 1992. Brett recalled that LMP had refused to send a demo tape and repeatedly called him insisting that she and Michael meet instead. (LMP later told Oprah that Michael had wanted to meet with her and that she agreed because someone told her that would be good manners--which is a highly unlikely scenario, any way you look at it.)
MeganBrW 7 months ago
According to what Michael later said, immediately after Chandler's false allegations went public LMP began calling him daily offering friendship and support and would get "very frustrated" if she could not get through to him. Negative "news" headlines were coming out fast and furious, and within days Michael was an emotional and physical basket case desperately trying to save his career from total destruction.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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For years, LMP had claimed that she was unaware--at first--of the real reason for the marriage. Possibly, that is true.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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Nevertheless, her claims that Michael manipulated her into thinking that he cared about her are apparently far from true and a complete refusal on her part to accept responsibility for her own choice and her actions. Few women would interpret "If I asked you to marry me, would you do it?" as a sign of affection or a commitment to the relationship or a marriage proposal. Yet, LMP claimed that she did.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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One of the things that is quite clear is that by early December 1995, Michael, his family, and his people all wanted that divorce. Although his family and his people did not know at the time how important it was to get the divorce right away, Michael obviously did. From the moment Michael began to seriously consider Debbie Rowe's offer, that PR marriage was over.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
From that point on, Michael's concerns appear to have shifted to how to get the divorce without further outraging LMP. Letting the woman you are married to know that she is being replaced by your dermatologist's nurse is tricky. So tricky, in fact, that LMP didn't really take Michael seriously--perhaps because she still did not understand who she was dealing with and what Michael did and did not care about.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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No doubt, no one in Michael's camp wanted any more unnecessary negative publicity. Undoubtedly, they would have wanted LMP to be the one to file for the divorce. Giving an already hostile media a reason to publish headlines that read "Jackson Divorces Presley" would certainly not have been in Michael's best interest.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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Once Michael walked out on LMP, it appears that his people were content to wait for LMP to take the only course of action available to her. It's hard to believe that even Michael could have anticipated that it would take LMP months to accept the inevitable and file for the divorce.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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EXCERPT: "By the winter of 1995, Lisa and Michael weren't even speaking, and not because Lisa didn't want to communicate with him, but because she simply could not find him. She didn't know his whereabouts, only that he was not at Neverland--and no one in his camp would give her any information."
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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That December, Michael was in New York rehearsing for a scheduled cable show (which never took place). On December 6th he collapsed and was rushed to Beth Isreal Hospital suffering from what his doctors described as heart arrhythmia, perhaps brought on by exhaustion and stress.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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Until that time, LMP did not know where he was, and his people were instructed not to tell her. I am not going to go into the details here, but I am going to point out a few facts.
(1) LMP later said that she went to the hospital to have what she called a "showdown" with Michael.
(2) Unbeknownst to LMP, Debbie Rowe was already pregnant before that December with the child she miscarried.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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"Did Lisa know about the pregnancy? 'I don't think Debbie even knew yet,' observed Monica Pastelle. 'I think by the time Michael was on his back in the hospital, she was only a couple of weeks' pregnant. As for Lisa, if she had known, do you think Michael would have been still drawing breath when she left that hospital room?'"
MeganBrW 7 months ago
3) LMP said that after shouting at him, Michael told her that she was causing trouble and asked her to leave. While LMP waited in the hall for an elevator, she was told by his doctor that, under the circumstances, if she could not control her behavior she would not be permitted to visit Michael again. Katherine, Michael's mother, had also heard LMP shouting at Michael in his room behind closed doors, and she was livid.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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Here is how JRT tells it:
"As Lisa stood waiting for the elevator, Katherine walked up to her and exploded in stunned disbelief. 'What is wrong with you, Lisa,' she hissed. 'You are so spoiled. I can't believe you would do that to Michael.'"
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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"Lisa wanted to see Michael the next day. 'Absolutely not,' Michael's handlers told her. There had been a meeting with Jackson family members and it was decided that Lisa was an antagonizing presence in Michael's life, and that he should now be protected from her, at all costs."
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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LMP was furious that Michael had told her to leave his hospital room and that she was barred from calling or seeing him, so she flew back to LA. Michael left the hospital one week later and flew off to France to relax and recuperate while he vacationed with friends.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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On January 18, 2006, LMP filed for the divorce. In the divorce petition filed by LMP, she listed Sunday, December 10, 1995--the day that she went to Michael's hospital room--as the 'Date of Separation'. In reality, Michael had walked out on LMP many weeks before and had accepted Rowe's offer well before December 1, 1995.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
i really love these pictures when they were in paris because he looks really handsome here and they're both look good and very happy. :) also love the MTV kiss, it should have a slowmotion and close up of that kiss. :))
ycd1975 10 months ago
@ycd1975 You're an ignoramus, just like your friends and relatives! The marriage and the kiss were for PR. Here's what LMP said:
'That was not my idea, by the way', she says. 'I was terrified. It was his manager's idea. I thought it was stupid. All of a sudden I became part of a PR machine'.
It seemed like a blatant gimmick to prove -- to start with -- that he was straight.
'Yeah, but again, I wasn't looking at it like that. See, if I had been, that wouldn't have ever happened'.
MeganBrW 10 months ago
@MeganBrW i.e. embellish and exaggerate both mean the same thing. lol. I do like all of your posts though.
rocknroll773 8 months ago
@rocknroll773 The words "embellish" and "exaggerate" have very different denotations and connotations. Do yourself a favor. Take a few minutes and look them up in a dictionary.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
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The words "embellish" and "exaggerate" have very different denotations and connotations. Do yourself a favor. Take a few minutes and look them up in a dictionary.
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Wow! This is funny, because I did look them up before I posted it. Because, I did'nt want you to point me out as being wrong. :)
rocknroll773 7 months ago
@rocknroll773 For example, a person who is hired to teach a math class and then immediately sets out to guarantee that every student in the class receives an "F" is exhibiting passive-aggressive behavior. That teacher may be either shy or gregarious.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
@rocknroll773 Without delving into the specific nature of Michael Jackson's personality--which neither one of us is qualified to analyze or accurately characterize, apparently--I should point out that the term "passive-aggressive" has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the individual is shy. From a clinical point-of-view, a passive-aggressive person has a personality disorder.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
@rocknroll773 Needless to say, your kind words are appreciated. Nevertheless, this is as good a time as any to point out that when it comes to the English language, you are speaking to a higher authority.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
@MeganBrW I just want to say that I think you are awesome in your knowledge and wealth of information. I just looked up denotation(literal meaning) and connotation(suggestive word to it's literal meaning). Thanks. And you're right, from a clinical point of view, the term "passive-aggressive" does refer to a personality disorder. Although I do not agree with your example.
rocknroll773 7 months ago
@rocknroll773 Because one of the characteristics of passive-aggressive behavior is that there is no "real" reason for the behavior, so it's a disorder. LMP exhibits passive (make nice)-aggressive (attack) behavior towards Michael because she is still angry and she still wants revenge. Similarly, Oprah wanted to appear unbiased (make nice) about Michael, but she did want to paint him in a negative light (aggressive), presumably because she believes he was bad for her image.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
@rocknroll773 You don't like that example? Here's another example. Both Oprah and LMP exhibit passive-aggressive behavior towards Michael. Their aggressive (attack) statements frequently go unnoticed by some people. A psychiatrist would probably not call Oprah or LMP passive-agressive, but a layperson might. Why?
MeganBrW 7 months ago
@rocknroll773 Well, in common, everyday usage (which is not clinical) when someone says someone else's behavior is passive-aggressive he or she usually means that the person's aggressive behavior is covert, rather than overt, and therefore can go unnoticed by some and often does, for a while at least.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
@ycd1975 First, you wicked trolls accuse him of being gay and a pedophile and torture the poor man until he can barely sleep at night. Then, you claim that he loved a woman he couldn't even stand being around, hid from, and walked out on. Don't you disgusting creatures have any shame? Why would Michael Jackson be in love with a low-class-red-lipstick-wearing, crude, foul-mouthed, uneducated whore?
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I absolutely agree with you. You are 100% right. LMP is talking all BS now after he died. She says she realised he really loved her only after he died. How immature for her age and after 4 marriages and many more affairs. No wonder hardly anybody believes what she says. If she did love him she wld hv stood by his side when he needed him, esp. she says when he last calld her in 2005 (she says there is not a word abt her from Michaels Jackson's side).
umamaheshwari56 7 months ago
@umamaheshwari56 I don't think anyone cares how LMP felt about Michael. I certainly don't. Even if she did love him, Michael clearly DID NOT love her. If I fall in love with a man, I can't make him love me.
Michael walked out on LMP in '95 and then FORCED THE DIVORCE on her. That choice wasn't hers. A woman can't hold onto a man who doesn't want her.
Why would he call her in 2005? In 2003 he publicly dismissed her. In 2005 she had been publicly attacking him. That makes NO sense! She's SICK!
MeganBrW 7 months ago
@MeganBrW There are still some who want to create a fantasy out of this like it is the lovestory of the century. . I feel LMP only fell for his image and his personality. When things did not work her way she started badmouthing him. He lost interest once his kids were born. With reg. to divorce, it is LMP who walked out and applied for divorce.MJ was shooting for TDCAU in Brazil and Spike Lee who was the director of the vids said it never affected MJ.
umamaheshwari56 7 months ago
@MeganBrW contd.. he was behaving normal as though nothing had happened. Its shows he never cared and was prepared for the separation. He didn't even fight it out disappointing both LMP and her mom. Abt the 2005 call, she said so in Oprah n even if we try to believe her, she cannot claim she loved him – when she did not stand by his side when he needed her. I cannot stand the part when she made fun of him and all in the audience laughing & today she says she loved him. a big joke.
umamaheshwari56 7 months ago
@umamaheshwari56 Yes. I am aware that Spike Lee said if he hadn't heard on the news he would not have known they were divorcing because Mike was in a good mood, laughing, joking, and having fun as usual. The reality is Michael desperately wanted and needed that divorce--and right away.
How does a woman leave a man who walked out on her 6 weeks before she filed for the divorce? Does that make any sense to you?
Let's skip the drama and LMP's face-saving PR spin. Here are the FACTS:
MeganBrW 7 months ago
@MeganBrW so very true - how come there are still people who believe she was so very in love with him while she keeps spinning yarns abt how much he loved her. and how united they were. As long as there are such people, LMP will never tire from milking Michael. I get very angry when I watch her using Michael the way she wants. The media too is lapping it up. How come her 4th husband puts up with her nonsense. When I read some posts saying how LMP fell apart at his funeral-it makes me laugh.
TheAnuc 7 months ago
@TheAnuc Although their relationship did not start out that way, Oprah and Michael hated each other. Anyone who thinks that LMP and Oprah are not in the same camp, hasn't been paying attention. It is not likely that LMP and Michael would have wanted to even be in the same room together either. Once one moves all of the PR bs aside, that becomes apparent.
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@TheAnuc "I know how Oprah feels about my brother and family. I also know that he would not have wanted this. In fact, she is the last person on earth he would want around his children. I can never forget when she had the show on pedophilia during the jury deliberation process in my brother's Santa Maria case. That was no coincidence."
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@TheAnuc But given LMP's personality and well-known history, combined with everything that was already known about the relationship, the old interviews, and the private tapes Michael left with Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, that scenario doesn't even stand a chance.
Here is what Michael's brother Randy said about Oprah's true feelings about Michael and how Michael really felt about Oprah.
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@TheAnuc Oprah knows perfectly well what side her bread is buttered on (and so does LMP's current husband), and her highly "supportive-actress" role in that 2010 interview is nothing more than a clear indication of that. Oprah was doing her best to help LMP land face up.
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@TheAnuc Oprah is definitely not a naive woman, and she certainly is no dummy. From the start, that woman never believed--even for a nano-second--that Michael was in love with Lisa Marie Presley. That has not changed. What also has not changed is Oprah's public support for LMP, the daughter of a great American icon.
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@TheAnuc But Michael was far from the first celebrity to marry someone for PR reasons, and that kind of marriage never seemed to bother the media before. So why were those same people so outraged when Michael married for PR reasons? The answer seems to be that it was not the PR marriage itself that bothered them. It was who he married.
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@TheAnuc For a long time, many people wondered how could she leave Michael. Little did they know--she didn't. The media refused to be manipulated by the PR marriage and all of the other PR stunts associated with it. Not only did those PR maneuvers not help Michael's public image, they actually further damaged his already fragile relationship with the media. It wasn't just Diana Sawyer who was furious about the PR marriage, virtually the entire mainstream media was.
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@TheAnuc For years, people who didn't know much about the relationship assumed LMP was being honest when she claimed that she had left Michael for the sake of her children. Those people took LMP's face-saving PR statement at face value. They had absolutely no idea that Michel walk out on LMP in 1995, weeks before she gave in and filed for the divorce in January of 1996. That was one more humiliating reality for LMP, so she obscured it from public view.
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@TheAnuc In a Marie Claire interview, not long before Michael died, LMP said, "My biggest mistake? Let's see, how can I word this? Um. Well, leaving my first marriage, for the person that I left it for — that was probably the biggest mistake of my life."
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@TheAnuc “I was naive on that front,” she admitted. “I was in this constant struggle that went something like this: a man who’s with me who has nothing is gonna be stomped on and have no identity left by the time [the press] get done with him. He’ll be Mr. Fu**in’ Presley. I thought, I need to be with someone bigger than I am—or at least comparable—so they don’t get trampled."
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@TheAnuc I don't know who would have any sympathy for her since she was clearly husband hunting and had decided Michael would be a good catch.
Here's what LMP told Newsweek Magazine years ago when asked if she knew that the short-lived marriage was going to turn into a media circus:
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@TheAnuc My guess is there are very few people who actually believe much of anything LMP says anymore. After all, it's extremely obvious that Michael had no real interest in LMP and it is well known that right after Debbie offered to have children for him Michael dumped her.
MeganBrW 6 months ago
@TheAnuc LMP is not only funky--which is bad enough--LMP is hillbilly funky. In recent years, a few hillbillies may have looked at videos of LMP with Michael and thought---Wow, cool. They look cute together--but most people have always been nonplussed since they were so clearly a mismatched pair. Meanwhile, the rest of us have been saying, "Now, that was absurd. What was Michael Jackson supposed to do with something like that? Dance on her.
MeganBrW 6 months ago
i really love these pictures when they were in paris because he looks really handsome here and they're both look good and very happy. :)
ycd1975 10 months ago
Now, that was DRAMA, folks! And fantasy, of course.
"Did Michael have to die for you to realize that he loved you?"
Would Brad Pitt have to die for Jennifer to realize that he loves her? When Oprah tried that "You two belong together nonsense with Pitt after he walked out on Aniston, he ignored Oprah's antics and went ahead and did exactly what he wanted to do with the person he wanted to do it with--and that certainly wasn't Aniston. If Pitt dies, Aniston can claim he called her and cried. LOL
weddingbliss1 1 year ago 117
jeffrlindt when she hears that michael loved lmp she gets angry a lot and starts to insult people besides lmp she has no respect for his love for lmp that's for sure
hldcon23 1 year ago
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people like jeffrlindt has no life this person has many sock accounts like celiaplanet,katierish,nancyfox,ecc she has many sock accounts to come on mj and lmp videos to insult lmp and despise michael's feelings for lisa marie and claims that michael was never in love with lmp like if she was one of michael's true friends when these true friends of him said the opposite she pretends to know it more michael's true friends she is very ridiculous
hldcon23 1 year ago
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if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck!! women like presley and @hidcon23 are nothing but dick trouble. they don't know when to get off and leave the man alone. i pull no punches with women like that. mike should never have been alone in the same room with that whore. geeees
JeffRLintd 1 year ago
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It is almost unbelievable how Mike's luck changed after 1990. Everything went wrong. UNBELIEVABLE! Everyone knew he was in love with Diana, but it wasn't until he refused to go to her wedding that people realized how deeply he loved her. When she married in 1991 that seemed to change everything for him. He wasn't able to marry the woman he always loved. Then the media turned on him so he hastily married two women he didn't share anything in common with and didn't love. That was sad and bad!
celiaplanet 1 year ago
@celiaplanet he hastly married two women didn't share anything in common with didn't love ? did michael tell u he never loved lisa marie and debbie rowe personally ?
hldcon23 1 year ago
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@hldcon23 alright, already!! you did't talk to the guy personally either. we gets it, okay! you're an ugly white ignorant italian bitch who loves black men especially the ones with big dicks. but if you can't convince them and everybody else that ugly, dumb white lying whores are what they want you'll never be able to have your dreams come true of having a gigantic black dick fuck out what little brains you have. now move on whore. find that dick if you can and put it in your mouth first.
JeffRLintd 1 year ago
@JeffRLintd you are really annoying crazy hater of lmp !
hldcon23 1 year ago
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@JeffRLintd Hey take it easy with the racism buddy, I'm half Italian and I can't stand Elvis or his ugly daughter but have loved MJ all my life! Liz Taylor was one of MJ's staunchest supporters when other celebrity "friends", like Diana Ross, ran for cover! Oh, and even Madonna (another Italian "bitch") defended MJ after the Bashir doco when all Lisa Marie could do was literally giggle about his trial (on Larry King). So ease up with your racism that has no rhyme nor reason to it!
XxBiancaDarlingxX 1 year ago
@BiancaDarling DIDNT NOBODY INVITE UR TROLLING ASS HERE TO WATCH THE IMAGES OVER AND OVER! Stay the hell away feen! MICHAEL DIDNT WANT TATIANA THUMBTZEN, HE MARRIED LISA, so apparently he wanted her, Worry about the GHETTO wart he didnt want!
Sherayx 1 year ago
@Sherayx i think someone has right when says that the envy is a bad disease
hldcon23 1 year ago
@Sherayx very true he loved lmp so much and not tatiana infact most tatiana fans are so angry about it that's the reason because they insult lmp but tatiana fans will never change his had much love for lisa and not for tatiana whether they like it or not
hldcon23 1 year ago
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XxBiancaDarlingxX 1 year ago
@XxBiancaDarlingxX I doubt Tatiana has been working as a waitress/hostess. I read that immediately after the firing Michael's father became her manager. She's a Juilliard graduate, so her credentials are excellent, her mistake wasn't serious, and she knows ppl. Michael's team was sensitive because of the cross-over factor. Rumors about her having an inside track would have been intimidating to white females. That's also why Mike didn't marry until "forced" to. I don't think he want a white wife
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@MeganBrW Okay, well all I knew about Tatiana was an interview in which she was described as a "hostess", I don't know that much about her (as I'm sure you can tell), although I did know Joe Jackson was her manager at one point. The only reason I ask is that whenever any MJ fan shows a dislike for LMP, suddenly, they are a "Tatiana fan" or "working for Tatiana" (i.e; posting messages for her!) which is a very frustrating, repeated claim when you know as little about the woman as I do.
XxBiancaDarlingxX 1 year ago
@XxBiancaDarlingxX I don't know much about her either. However, I know enough about the black American culture to know she would have enough contacts to easily be able to avoid a fate like that. Black people know exactly what that firing was all about. On the other hand, if Michael had any romantic interest in her he would not have allowed that to happen. I wouldn't worry about the "Tatiana fan" nonsense. Those LMP fans have minds like little girls and try every ridiculous avenue of attack.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@MeganBrW "Those LMP fans have minds like little girls and try every ridiculous avenue of attack." - You can say that again!
XxBiancaDarlingxX 1 year ago
@MeganBrW BTW, what do you mean when you say "black ppl know what that firing was all about"? Wasn't she fired simply because she surprised Michael with an unplanned kiss and he was embarrassed and angered in front of all those ppl? I'm trying to think what else the firing could be about, other than this? Incidentally, there is no sarcasm in these questions, I really am just curious?
XxBiancaDarlingxX 1 year ago
@MeganBrW .... the kiss, so I feel very sure he didn't know it was going to happen either. Okay, now I've just tied myself up in knots, I still don't know what you mean by what you said! LOL
XxBiancaDarlingxX 1 year ago
@XxBiancaDarlingxX Do you really believe Michael was easily embarrassed or angered? A man who regularly holds his crotch in front of millions of women is not likely to be embarrassed by much of anything. That was Michael's persona. It is likely that he believed TT took advantage of him, and very possibly she did. I doubt Michael would have allowed anyone--certainly not TT or LMP--to interfere with what he wanted. During those years, Michael was still completely focused.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@MeganBrW No. I have seen that video several times now and Michael looks embarrassed. No doubt he felt taken advantage of, for sure, but he actually blushes a blush of red and looks genuinely embarrassed. Not because he was some Nancy-boy that had never been kissed, I'm not suggesting that, but because he was a relatively shy man and the kiss was unexpected and unprofessional. He obviously felt humiliated and other strong emotions, otherwise, he wouldn't have fired her that same night.
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly Hi! I'd like to talk to you privately. Do you know how we could do that?
GreatMusicEndures1 1 year ago
@GreatMusicEndures1 I sent you a PM, just letting you know.
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly I have responded to your PM
GreatMusicEndures1 1 year ago
@XxBiancaDarlingxX Michael wanted his cross-over fans to have those experiences. His appeal to them depended upon it and so did his enormous financial success. In order to have a vicarious experience one has to be able to identify with the person through which the feelings or actions are transmitted. In other words, white female fans would not have been able to experience Michael through Tatiana, but they could and did experience Michael vicariously through LMP.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@XxBiancaDarlingxX I mean, think about it. A female who spends perfectly good money to attend a Michael Jackson concert, then faints or runs up onto the stage didn't go to that concert to listen to Michael sing or watch him dance. She just missed the rest of the show! She went to the concert to intensify the experience she feels while she is fantasizing.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@XxBiancaDarlingxX If that ball had gotten rolling, there would have been no way of controlling or even knowing where it would go. That was the problem for Michael, his manager, and his PR team. Controlling the public's perception of Michael was critical. Michael and his team invested a considerable amount of time and energy into cultivating the fantasies of his female cross-over fans. Michael's appear to that group was primarily based upon those fantasied.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@XxBiancaDarlingxX First, I should clear up some of the points you speculated about. Michael was indeed taken completely by surprise by that kiss. It is possible Tatiana did not pre-plan to kiss Michael on stage. However, Michael apparently thought she may have and she had crossed a line. Ultimately, whether or not the kiss was spontaneous was irrelevant. Either way, it presented an excellent opportunity for the media to speculate about a romance between Michael and TT.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@XxBiancaDarlingxX Yes, I can see your question arose out of genuine curiosity.
I'll try to answer your question "Wasn't she fired simply because she surprised Michael with an unplanned kiss and he was embarrassed and angered in front of all those ppl?" in a way that will make sense to you.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@MeganBrW It's one thing to grab your own crutch as part of a well-rehearsed stage performance; it's another to be kissed unexpectedly in front of thousands of ppl and giant video screens by someone who, essentially, was only hired to walk on and off the stage. I think Michael was shocked, humiliated, the works, not just because it was so unprofessional, but because at heart he was a shy man and a man who had a particular penchant for always being in control.
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly We must be viewing different videos. Tell me how to get to the one you have seen. Michael was a black guy who grew up in home full of kids. Are you kidding me? Michael wasn't shy. Michael's persona was shy, but Michael definitely wasn't. That's absurd! Michael may have been angry, but he wasn't embarrassed. For example, in the video where Michael is at a show honoring Elvis, while the audience sees his persona he is actually giving LMP and the others directions to stand. LOL
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@MeganBrW I'm not absurd thank you, and I certainly don't want to get into an absurd argument over whether or not Michael Jackson was shy. But I have seen Michael when he was kissed on stage and yes, he blushed .. okay? Why don't you watch it again - I don't know why you can't see what I see, it really doesn't bother me though because I am convinced of what I saw. Nothing you have said proves mathematically that Michael wasn't shy and Michael said himself many, many times that he was.
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@MeganBrW At the 1984 Grammy's Michael says of his mother, and I quote "She doesn't want to come up (on stage) .. she's like me .. she's shy". Was his mother's shyness a stage persona as well? Michael was obviously gentle and quite shy of demeanor. Not a hopeless introvert, obviously, but reserved and on the shy side. If you knew him personally then feel free to correct me, but if not then my opinion is as valid as yours. Most ppl have many dimensions to their personality.
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@MeganBrW Michael's personality can be described as passive/aggressive. Which means in certain situations, or around certain people he very well could have been and was naturally and really shy, while in other situations, mainly familiar, he was not. He was able to be more assertive. Personality which makes up a person is very complicated, because it is controlled by the mind and influenced by emotions. Oh, and in the English language, there are two different words that means the same thing.
rocknroll773 8 months ago
@rocknroll773 Here is another point worthy of mention. Absolutely no two words in the English language mean exactly the same thing. (I don't know how many times I have said that to students.) For one thing, the English lexicon is enormous (though no one can say how many words are in the language). Then there is the richness of the language resulting from a word's denotation as well as its connotation.
MeganBrW 7 months ago
@TheDancersOnly Janet and Michael were basically two sides of the same coin. Janet isn't shy and neither was Michael. Take a look at Michael at 5. Then, take a look at Michael at 50. What you see is the same thing. Michael didn't change one iota in between those years. His personality remained constant. Other black entertainers--Eddie Murphy, for example--have eluded to the fact that Michael actually wasn't shy at all. Dick Clark said Michael was a "man in control" even as a young child.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@MeganBrW For eg; if you were to ask my close friends and family, they would probably say I am talkative and extrovert, but get me around ppl I don't know so well, and I clam up and become very shy. I've always been this way. It's also true that many artistic ppl are shy in everyday life, but then come to life on stage. MJ said many times that he only felt comfortable on stage. He also said he was very uncomfortable around "everyday ppl". I don't know .. are u saying that everything the guy ..
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@MeganBrW .. ever said about himself was a lie? It's starting to seem that way. If so, you're not doing his memory any favours. You're painting him like everything he did was a type of trick or scheme. I am not naive and I understand very well about stage personas and target marketing of a product, a pop-star is a product, but Michael was also a human with relatively obvious human traits. If he was pure construct as you seem to be suggesting, then he wouldn't have connected with his fans so well
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@MeganBrW And btw (and I know I said I wouldn't get into an absurd argument, but anyway ..) if you're going to use the testimony of MJ's show-biz friends to prove your point, keep in mind that Sophia Loren, Cher, Liza Minelli and Liz Taylor all waxed lyrical during Michael's lifetime about how "gentle" and "shy" he was. Actually, at the 1988 NAACP awards, Liz Taylor states to the audience of Michael and herself "We're both very shy". I don't know, was that all a "lie" too?
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly I watched a video in which Michael walked out to give an award to Eddie Murphy. I would say Michael was being demure. That is to say, that night he had an affectedly modest manner. The media person (one of those "talking heads") who described Michael's appearance that evening characterized him as being "painfully shy." I don't think Michael ever made that mistake again. Did Michael want to be perceived as shy? Yes. Did he want to be perceived as painfully shy? I don't think so.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly Often, LMP has described herself as being shy. LMP certainly does not fit my definition of shy. The typical person is not gregarious, certainly not in public situations. The next level down is not shy. Shy is at the other end of the spectrum, and most people are not appropriately placed there either. Katherine's reluctance to go up onto the stage is a typical reaction. Unless I absolutely had to go up there, I am quite sure I would have declined the offer, too, and I'm not shy.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly Guess which word probably has more sex appeal to women? How do I know Michael was not shy? Well, the typical child would not have reached up and taken Dick Clark's microphone so that he could be heard and then spoken assertively. At a very early age, the typical child would not have been eager to perform in front of a group of complete strangers, and the list goes on.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly Why? Because the word "modest" implies an unassuming manner in one who--because of ability, achievement, etc.--might be expected to assert himself or herself strongly. That would be like saying "I know I'm great, but I act like the rest of you." Someone else could have referred to Michael as modest, but it is quite another thing for a person to refer to himself as modest.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly Most of the time, when people use the word "shy" they are not using it with precision. Michael used the word to describe himself, but a more precise word to describe that particular aspect of his personality would be "modest." Michael was indeed a modest man.
However, if Michael had used the word "modest" to describe himself he would not have been perceived as charming.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly When it comes to language, precision is everything. English is an incredibly powerful and useful language because it has so many words with which to express meaning and each word had a denotation and a connotation. Consequently, no two words in the English language mean exactly the same thing.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly Editors deliberately used the word "dangle" in its various forms knowing quite well (a) the photos clearly showed Michael holding Blanket with his arm tightly wrapped around the baby's torso, (b) "to dangle" means to hang, swinging loosely and usually implies the object is not being held firmly. Generally, the word "dangling" evokes an association with danger. That is what media editors were after and, of course, it worked.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@MeganBrW .. by a woman, hence, why she was fired that same night.
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly Putting the desired spin on content is a large part of an editor's job. There is nothing wrong with that, but that kind of power can and often is abused.
In Michael's case, this was a large part of what happened.
MeganBrW 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly Now, here is the problem--and all editors know this whether they work for a publishing house, for a university, or for the media--you can influence (and given enough time, even control) how and what people thing and feel about something or someone by the choice of words you use.
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TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@MeganBrW what a selling point his natural shyness was, i.e; because it was terribly appealing to females. I'm not saying Michael didn't play up to the shyness or at times try to exaggerate it, but the shyness was definitely there. It's something he recognised in himself from quite an early age and something he knew could be used toward giving himself mass-appeal. There's nothing wrong with that, Michael was just good at marketing himself. The same way he recognised in himself ..
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@MeganBrW in a way, you could say he exploited himself, for his own commercial benefit. He looked at himself, looked at the character traits he possessed, and then set about integrating them into a very successful career. But about being in "stage mode", I think you'll find that is what happened with the Tatiana Thumzken situation, i.e; Michael was in stage mode (which like I say is almost like automatic pilot) doing all the showy, extrovert things he did on stage ..
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly We have got so much work to do. I can scarcely believe we're having this discussion. Let me see if I can end this on an agreeable note.
I would say that, as the average person applies the word "shy," Michael probably was shy. Apparently, as the average person accepts the word "dangling," Michael was dangling his infant son over the side of the balcony.
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@MeganBrW .. a lost childhood and also realised this could be used to help give him mass appeal. But it doesn't mean his feelings weren't real or that his childhood wasn't really lost, it just means MJ was good at manipulating his own personality for his own commercial benefit. He was certainly a genius in that way, among others.
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TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@TheDancersOnly Are you just ready to wrap that up?
GreatMusicEndures1 1 year ago
@GreatMusicEndures1 Yeah it's finished, LOL
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@MeganBrW .. did that to you in an office, for eg; you could sue them for sexual harassment. And like I say, I'm not suggesting MJ was sexually naive, not at all, but he did express many times that he was a gentleman and didn't like to discuss his sex-life in public, so this suggests to me that private and public displays of sexuality were two very different things to him. I don't think a man like that would have taken too kindly to such an unexpected, terribly public display of affection ..
TheDancersOnly 1 year ago
@MeganBrW Okay wait (LOL) I think I may have figured this out (LOLOL!), are you saying that Tatiana was fired in order to vindicate the fantasies of Michael's white audience, though nevertheless, if Michael had in fact had feelings for her, he wouldn't have allowed this "stunt" to occur? Is that it? But then again, you said her "mistake" wasn't serious, so does that mean she didn't know this was going to happen? Looking at the footage though, Michael seems genuinely surprised by ....
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Sherayx 1 year ago
how many rude and nasty haters of lmp they never met her and they insult her they don't have any respect for michael's feelings for her they are really sick haters
hldcon23 1 year ago
@hldcon23 First of all how could she be husband hunting and she was a KID when she went to Michael's concert and he started pursuing her from that point on, and he NEVER EVER walked out on her, ppl lie on ppl like a rug! Not true at all, we ALL know what happened so why do these ppl come with this long drawn out story that they WANTED to have happened and really think u r suppose to sway from reality just bc they r delusional as hell! Hhahaha!
Sherayx 1 year ago
@Sherayx yes these haters of lmp are very delusional plus they insult her because they are envy that michael was really in love with her if you've noticed when they hear it they get angry very much and they start to insult people and her anyway they can hate her what they want but it will not change the fact that michael was in love with her and he always had a pic of her by his bed after the divorce and over they can put their soul to rest about it
hldcon23 1 year ago
When someone insists upon forcing herself upon a man that just isn't interested in her, that's disturbing and distasteful. If I fall in love with someone, that doesn't mean that person has to fall in love with me. Chasing after that person, then trying to make his life miserable forever because I didn't get my way isn't going to make him love me, nor should it.
TippiP50 1 year ago
LMP was husband hunting, pure and simple. Bret, the man whose house they met at in 1992, said that Michael had only asked for a demo tape to be sent. Bret said LMP refused to send the tape and insisted upon meeting Michael in person. (In the Oprah interview, LMP implied that Michael had requested the meeting. Apparently, that was not true.) Michael said that later LMP would call him every day and get very frustrated when she couldn't get through to him.
TippiP50 1 year ago
To my knowledge, there is just no valid reason to question what LMP said about her feelings. She said that she loved him, at first (until she realized that he wasn't in love with her). But, frankly, it was presumptuous of her to think that Michael had fallen in love with her. After all, she pursued him. "If I asked you to marry me, would you do it" is hardly a profession of love. No one was surprised when she began to talk about the marriage and how miserable it was.
TippiP50 1 year ago
Clearly, she knew the rumors and the legal situation he was in at the time. Realistically, she was not what anyone like him would have consider to be a good catch. LMP was not pretty or personable or classy, she had absolutely no style or accomplishments, she had only a 10th grade education, he did't need her money, and she already had two children from her current marriage. After Debbie Rowe proposed her solution, what did LMP have to offer Michael? Nothing!
TippiP50 1 year ago
Once she realized that Michael was not in love with her and he walked out on her to force the divorce upon her so that he could accept DR's offer to have children for him, LMP should have left Michael alone. Michael certainly would not have wanted someone like her around his children. LMPs behavior is not only crude and obnoxious, it is downright obsessive and scary.
TippiP50 1 year ago
Personally, I am not interested in how LMP felt or feels, either. I am here because of Michael, and for no other reason. Just because a particular type of female desperately wanted to believe that Michael had fallen in love with someone like herself didn't mean that Michael was under any obligation to do so. He wasn't.
TippiP50 1 year ago
Michael was a very honest man. A bright woman--like Madonna or Debbie, for example--would have concluded that Michael was asking for a favor when he said, "If I asked you to marry me, would you do it?" Yet, LMP said that after she said, "Yes," she expected Michael to ask her to marry him, but he never did. He just acted like everything was settled. Madonna said that when Michael held her hand she realized that he was looking for a friend, not for romance.
katierish 1 year ago
She's in mourning? He walked out on her to marry Rowe. Didn't she tell an interviewer that they had not even spoken to each other in twelve years? And in 2004, didn't he say that after the divorce (which he had to forced her into) she kept pursuing him and his mother? Didn't he say that he simply didn't have any feeling in his heart for her? Isn't she married to her 4th husband now? Didn't she say that marrying him was the biggest mistake she ever made? And she is in mourning? She's a Lunatic!
katierish 1 year ago
We've all heard the saying "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder." Undoubtedly, there is a lot of truth to that. Since she doesn't have the kind of looks or personality that would stand out in a crowd, I have never thought of LMP as even attractive. She's average. It would never occur to me to characterize her as beautiful in any way.That would be an enormous stretch. Michael didn't treat her as if she were a beautiful woman in his mind. Apparently, he saw her as nothing more than average also.
angie11555 1 year ago
lisa is not ugly at all like her haters say she 's very beautiful and she and with michael were a beautiful couple
hldcon23 1 year ago 4
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In reality, Michael was never in love with LMP to begin with. Apparently, LMP assumed that he had fallen in love with her. That was presumptuous of her. And she was persistent. In 2004, Michael said that after the divorce she would contact him. He said she even sent him a letter offering to have 9 babies for him, and she was always hanging around his mother. Presumably, LMP wanted his mother to help her. Perhaps she did. Michael said that it was difficult for him to say no to someone he loved.
weddingbliss1 1 year ago
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Even if one acknowledges that Madonna is smarter than LMP, it is still difficult to understand why LMP would interpret a question like "If I asked you to marry me, would you do it" as a profession of love. That sounds more like a request for a favor, which it apparently was, rather than a real marriage proposal. Presumably, she later felt like an idiot.
weddingbliss1 1 year ago
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Even LMP couldn't remain in denial forever.
LMP couldn't remain in denial forever. "My biggest mistake? Let's see," she begins quietly. "How can I word this? Um. Well, leaving my first marriage, for the person that I left it for — that was probably the biggest mistake of my life." (from LMP and 4th husband's Marie Claire interview)
weddingbliss1 1 year ago
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Once it became apparent that the marriage was not helping his public image and Debbie offered to have children for him, it was over for Lisa Marie. She said that after she realized why he had married her she told him that she wasn't going to get pregnant because she wasn't even going to sleep with him. (You can Google what she says about that argument.) She says that Mike told her, point blank, that Debbie had made him and offer, and if that was the way things were, he would accept it.
weddingbliss1 1 year ago
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Prince Charles was never in love with Diana and Michael Jackson was never in love with Lisa Marie. Both men married their first wives for similar reasons. They hoped marrying these women would improve their public image.
In the Prince of Wales' case, it did--until Diana and the world discovered the sad truth. In the King of Pop's case, it didn't. That, combined with the fact that once LM realized the truth she wouldn't sleep with him, was the real reason for the divorce.
weddingbliss1 1 year ago
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Michael was an incredibly kind man and a well-respected artist. He certainly didn't deserve to have his name treated this way. This place is like an emotional sewer brimming with garbage.
It is no wonder that so few people come here.
weddingbliss1 1 year ago
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MJNumberOneForever 1 year ago
lisa and michael 4 ever
LisayMichael4Ever 1 year ago 3
If some of you MJ/LMP fans are looking for a place to discuss and talk about them, message me. There's a jackson/presley forum board and if you're interested, I'll give you the link to it.
Keep the Peace.
MJNumberOneForever 2 years ago
I love the way he is holding her and the way he is standing. Those pants do look hot on him, they make him look very tall.
kathyfmp64 2 years ago 2
Don't misunderstand me; I know they loved each other very much, but I don't think they "never got over each other". why then would lisa badmouth him in the oprah interview, diane sawyer and howard stern? .. just asking.
IVH93 2 years ago
Gosh! I love his ass in 2:07-2:10. I would have loved to smack his beautiful round buns so baddddddddddd! I love the way those black pants nicely fit him, accentuating his nice shaped, long legs, so damn sexyyyyyyyy! How I wish I was her at 2:15-2:28. She was so damn lucky to had Michael. Alot of women would have given anything to be in her place, I know I would have.
bebcol 2 years ago 5
@bebcol u r a nasty girl?(LOL) I know what u mean.
cynthiawas 2 years ago
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@bebcol You wouldn't have given anything to be in her place, he didn't want her ass!
XxBiancaDarlingxX 1 year ago
Does anyone know why LMP wore soo much black?
cynthiawas 2 years ago
The artist is Laura Pausini. It's on iTunes.
sweettooth320 2 years ago 3
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this video is not making him look good in my eyes actually this is proving my point HE WAS A UNCLE TOM THATS THAT
lildarius4 2 years ago
please,can somebody tell me-what song is it and who is a singer?
1981Irina 2 years ago
The Song is called " Its Not Goodbye" But i already forgot who sang it. :) Hope this helped .
FrEaKgUrL99 2 years ago
Beautiful song and video. Awesome.
cynthiawas 2 years ago
really nice :)
what is that song?
sweettooth320 2 years ago 2
beautiful!
idaaal 2 years ago
Thank You :)
FrEaKgUrL99 2 years ago
Se fosse mesmo amor teria resistido a tudo e não duraria tão pouco tempo. Acredito muito mais numa grande paixão, cheia de atração física de um homem de 36 anos por uma bela mulher de 26. E como a maioria das paixões, não suportou as dificuldades e acabou.
Quando se am alguém tenta-se de tudo pra salvar o amor e a quem se ama, realmente.
Arianabru 2 years ago 2
love them so... much~~~
puipui52 2 years ago
Its good after they were DIvorced, they both keep in touch to each other. That was nice! My questions Is, How can you break-up w/ the Man you've Loved so much as what she said, so easily & immediately file a Divorce? Me, myself i would'nt do that,I'll try my best to talk to him & made compromise! coversation is d best thing to solved whatever problems all about.just 2 settle it once &4 all! in my opinion, Lisa loved M.J. but her loved was NOT enough to ignore all d.problems they both had.
Lindsay1656 2 years ago 2
I absolutely agree with you, even when he was married to Debbie, he went to South Africa with Lisa Marie, and he took her out on her birthday....They always kept talking and after the Bashir interview she called him for encouragement....that says there was always love there...
yasminegr 2 years ago 2
Yea . you're absolutely right . :)
FrEaKgUrL99 2 years ago
agree with u. I love mj so much. I will do everything to please him
carrielovemj88 2 years ago 5
lol
music24addict 2 years ago
quem canta esta canção? por favor alguém me responda,é muito linda!!!
copar2009 2 years ago
Eu vendo essas fotos, sinto uma harmoinia, um amor grande entre eles dois,principalmente em MJ,e quando li o blog LMP acredito também que o amor entre os dois era realmente verdadeiro e recíproco.
copar2009 2 years ago
Nice pictures. If anyone notice, they really look very happy in most of them.. Especially MJ..yes it was reported on CNN that LMP was very emotional when MJ's casket arrived.
audreyvsl 2 years ago 2
very cute
danna9393 2 years ago
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yosraz1 2 years ago
yes she did she called him after she saw the bashir documentary to give him her support-she thought it was ''overly cruel'' and when they called her to testify against him she said she never saw anything that would ever allude any innapropriate behavior-so she DID defend him. she was at his funeral tonight.
ShellyDraven 2 years ago