The Scots MPs at Westminster are busy providing plum English jobs for fellow Scots.
They are busy lobbying Government contracts to Scotland.
They are busy ensuring the continuity of the Barnett formula.
They are busy inflicting as much damage as they can on the Auld Enemy so that when Independence for Scotland eventually arrives England will be too weak to negotiate terms.
They are busy exporting English jobs to Scotland. They are working hard behind the scenes.
Not TOTALLY misleading - The video was intended to try and bust the myth that MPs with Scots constituencies are doing local stuff for their constituents. We are always being told that hardworking MPs spend a hell of a lot of time working on constituents' problems - that function has now been taken over by MSPs. The vid' does attempt to explain their behind the scenes plotting - for to do so will take a very long video indeed. I merely tried to show a corruption of the democratic process.
The London assembly doesnt have the same role or powers but its still a complete joke. The reason Scotlands parliament is no joke and may have helped scotland is because they can focus on Scottish matters the way the UK parliament couldnt in the past. But the uK parliament already spends alot of time running England or England and Wales rather than the whole UK.
There is just no need for a whole england parliament. Much better to strenghten local and county councils than create a new body
sorry deleted last message because i said separatisms instead of separatists, then the bloody thing wouldnt let me copy / past the comment so i had to rewrite it slightly lol.
scottish separatism was alive and well before devolution but it wasnt int he dangerous position its in today influencing govrenment policy and running scottish schools.
labour tried to give each region of england its own assembly, like london has one.. but the people of the north east rejected that so they stopped.
devolution was given to wales and scotland because they make up a small part of the UK there for needed a method to stop english dominating the vote on scotland / welsh matters.
that is not a problem england faces as it has over 80% of the seats and population. devolution has many flaws, labours manifesto in 1997 claimed devolution would destroy separatism. look how thats working out, for the first time in 300 years separatists are running scotland
It is not treating them as second class citizens, this is just spin put out by New Labour because they know that such a change in voting rights would totally screw labours ability to damage England the way it can currently.
Again it is not simply stopping them to leave. The proposed change is simply to a certain point of the process, not the whole political process on England only matters. This is alot cheaper and quicker to do than establishing a NEW parliament.
Foolishned, that is exactly what i would prefer. Scottish MPs deciding Scottish matters, there is such a thing as the Scottish Grand Committee, although since devolution thats been pointless. Instead of a whole new parliament, that committee and its powers should have been strenghtened.
But now theres 7 MSPs and 1 MP doing the same work that 1 MP use to do, but ofcourse that money comes out of Scotlands money.
There is no going back though, devolution is here to stay, but im not happy with it
England having its own parliament has far bigger complications than the problems it solves. Who do you want to be the next prime minister of the UK? and why dont u want that person to be first minister of England? Having a first minister of England is my biggest concern, after the cost of an English only parliament
We may move to a federal United Kingdom when England gets its parliament, but now is NOT the time, all efforts must be on defeating the disgusting separatists who threaten the union
Most Scottish MPs already do not vote on English only matters anyway. Its only been an incident or two where Scottish votes has impacted on an English only matter.
This idea we have to create a WHOLE new parliament just for the sake of those occasional issues is just silly.
A conservative government will simply allow only English MPs to take part in the legislative process at a certain stage. They wont be kicked out of anywhere, simply not take part in a vote.
When you ask the people do you want to spend 10s of millions on an English parliament to duplicate the work and be an extra layer of government, i think you will find peoples support is less certain, even if they say they support an English parliament, do they view it as important or a priority? no
I think you will find when we have a conservative government, the view we need an English parliament will decline. Oh and theres a big difference between wanting a parliament and a break up of the UK
An EP will replace the flaccid Westminster model with smaller more accountable governance! 70% of W'minster's time at the mo' is taken up with English only legislation. Get rid of it, replace it with a SMALLER & CHEAPER EP - (& get rid of 150 MPs from W, S & NI). Next, dissolve the H of L (& 700+ Lords) and replace with a SMALL federal chamber of (say 100) reps taken from the 4 home countries to take care of the 30% left over which is UK bizz.
TBW, you say - 'The United Kingdom is our country'.... As I said, that'll be why Scotland, Wales and NI are either wholly or partly run by separatist parties.....
The union is finished. as soon as unitary government went in 1998, so did the union. It's as a dodo, gone, dead, defunct and good riddance to bad rubbish.
The UK is KO - which is OK with me.
And I love this sentence TBW - 'You make it sound like england is desperate for democracy'....
The United Kingdom is still a country, the Scottish parliament and other assemblies just do devolved matters. Less than 40% voted for the SNP, over 60% of the MSPs are supporters of the union. In Wales more 70% vote for the unionist parties.
The union is not finished, the separatists will be defeated, be they English, Welsh or Scottish ones.
Do not think that England will benefit from a break up of the United Kingdom, none of us benefit. Scotland does not get lots of money from England.
It's not just about the money but an independent England would be considerably better off with English taxes spent on England rather than being syphoned off here there and everywhere like they are now.
You put at risk Englands interests by supporting the break up of the UK, You threaten our position on the United Nations Security Council, you weaken our position as a global power, and our armed forces.
England does not have much to gain from being independent, the only one thing i can see is wed be far more conservative but a break up of the UK is too high a price to pay for that.
This is the situation - England has no interests. England does not officially exist. It's a myth that England is stronger as part of the union. The Union ensures there is no England.
Global power? lol. Being America's puppet is not being a global power it's being America's puppet.
England would still need an armed forces, just not so big. Hopefully we wouldn't be engaging ourselves in unwinable wars such as Afghanistan.
England is a country of the United Kingdom. It will not be long until Wales has full devolution the way Scotland does, when that happens then England will have its fully own legal identity if thats what you care about. It is not a myth that England is stronger as part of the union, there is no way we can be stronger out
of it
Global power - 1 of 5 permanent members of the UN security council, 6th largest economy, one of the EU3, leading member of NATO, yes close relationship with the USA
England would still have an armed forces yes, but it would be a farm smaller one with less assets as its divided up between England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland.
The UN isnt perfect, all the more vital we keep our seat on the UN security council where we have veto power. a position most countries on this planet can only dream of. Whilst technically England might simply take the UK seat in the way Russia did following the break up of the USSR, that is far from clear.. there for its very risky
You're talking like it's 1899. Is power all that motivates you? It's all that motivates our leaders who talk exactly the way you do.
You don't get it. England does not exist as part of the union. Brown can't even say the word. England would be stronger and have more influence independent because England would exist again currently it does not.
Nothing wrong with a small armed forces - we would have all we need to defend ourselves - which is all we should have.
So if the separatists are bound to be defeated, what's your problem? Why get in such a lather?
I reckon it's because in your heart of hearts, you know the game is up.
The last mori poll showed 62% of those English people asked to be in favour of an English Parliament. Last time I did sums, that roughly equates to a two thirds majority and almost 20 percentage points in front of the Tories at their most popular during the past year. Maybe we should be allowed a referendum on the matter?
England and English separatism is not something that seriously concerns me. Only a small number of people here are separatists and they can not do much damage.
The threat comes from separatists in other parts of the United Kingdom, but the union supporters still are in a majority and can defeat the separatists.
TBW - It does not solve the problem. We just want what everyone else in the whole of democratic Europe has of right - national legislative power.
Look, for goodness sake, our national democratic emasculation is too high a price 2 pay in order to preserve a union that is looking a tad worse for wear. That'll be the union that is so strong apparently that all 3 devolved administrations are either wholly or partly run by seperatist parties!
Ain't democracy wonderful? I just wish we had some.
The overwhelming majority of MPs are English, we do not need an entire parliament just for England. Theres a london assembly which is a complete joke and waste fo money. The people in the north east of England rejected an assembly.
The majority in the Scottish parliament support the union, the majority in the welsh assembly support the union.
You make it sound like england is desperate for democracy, imagine how the other parts of the UK felt. The United Kingdom is our country
For 300 years England has dominated the union and on UK issues it still does, its pretty pathetic that some English people today are getting so worked up about devolution.
Look for goodness sake, the conservatives have said when they come to power they make it so that only English MPs can vote on English legislation at a certain part of the process, that gives English MPs the power to veto legislation impacting on England.
That solves the problem. This English nationalism nonsense is dangerous
Your Union is doing its utmost to eradicate England completely - modern English nationalism is the fightback. It's a fight to get our country back, out of the hands of the EU and the UK.
You were born English and British. I fail to see how you can opt out of being British in a way that someone from Cornwall should not opt out of being English.. England has separatism problems too, theres cornish nationalists plotting.
English nationalism is so very dangerous to everyone, to English people, the United Kingdom, to all people who have fought to remain part of it. Look at the struggles in Northern Ireland to remain part of the UK... all that effort for England to just walk away?
I was born British but I do not regard myself as such. To be called British is an insult as far as I'm concerned. I am English - end of.
Personally I think that Ireland should be one nation. Just as England should be one nation.
In time when the English wake up en mass and the English Parliament is re-established then Cornwall should have it's own referendum. Personally I think they will reject the idea when England has English taxes to spend on England.
England has huge problems, but a conservative government after the next election will take action to address many of these issues, including the English votes for English laws issue.
There are many unionists in Scotland, the union flag flys outside the Scottish parliament, it flys above Edinburgh castle. Watch a match with Rangers, plenty of their fans are good unionists, some take loads of union flags with them to the games.
The union can be secured, and that is in all of our interests.
How old are you? Not very I'm thinking if you trust the Tories to stick to their word. Cameron can't say England either and has made it plain he won't do anything about Barnett or let us vote on devolution for Eng. Can't even commit to referendum on EU.
Tories absolutely not to be trusted on anything ever. Esp not on England as they vow to put Union first which means continuing to put England last.
So we cant vote labour, cant vote conservatives, who on earth do you think we should vote for? lol.
If you look at an election map you will see most of England is conservative, this is their base. The idea that we can never elect a party because of what it did 20 years ago is nonsense. Times change, party policy changes. Thats how democracy works in this country. One party has a few years to run the show then the other one gets a go.
lol that is hilarious ;) Great music too!
yureka88 5 months ago
THIS IS TOTALLY MISLEADING!!!
The Scots MPs at Westminster are busy providing plum English jobs for fellow Scots.
They are busy lobbying Government contracts to Scotland.
They are busy ensuring the continuity of the Barnett formula.
They are busy inflicting as much damage as they can on the Auld Enemy so that when Independence for Scotland eventually arrives England will be too weak to negotiate terms.
They are busy exporting English jobs to Scotland. They are working hard behind the scenes.
TheHead9999 2 years ago
Not TOTALLY misleading - The video was intended to try and bust the myth that MPs with Scots constituencies are doing local stuff for their constituents. We are always being told that hardworking MPs spend a hell of a lot of time working on constituents' problems - that function has now been taken over by MSPs. The vid' does attempt to explain their behind the scenes plotting - for to do so will take a very long video indeed. I merely tried to show a corruption of the democratic process.
Alfietheok 2 years ago
Sorry - it should of course say 'The video does NOT attempt to explain their behind the scenes plotting, etc'...
Alfietheok 2 years ago
The London assembly doesnt have the same role or powers but its still a complete joke. The reason Scotlands parliament is no joke and may have helped scotland is because they can focus on Scottish matters the way the UK parliament couldnt in the past. But the uK parliament already spends alot of time running England or England and Wales rather than the whole UK.
There is just no need for a whole england parliament. Much better to strenghten local and county councils than create a new body
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
There is a london asssembly with some real power, its a complete bloody joke and hasnt helped london at all.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
sorry deleted last message because i said separatisms instead of separatists, then the bloody thing wouldnt let me copy / past the comment so i had to rewrite it slightly lol.
scottish separatism was alive and well before devolution but it wasnt int he dangerous position its in today influencing govrenment policy and running scottish schools.
labour tried to give each region of england its own assembly, like london has one.. but the people of the north east rejected that so they stopped.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
devolution was given to wales and scotland because they make up a small part of the UK there for needed a method to stop english dominating the vote on scotland / welsh matters.
that is not a problem england faces as it has over 80% of the seats and population. devolution has many flaws, labours manifesto in 1997 claimed devolution would destroy separatism. look how thats working out, for the first time in 300 years separatists are running scotland
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
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TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
It is not treating them as second class citizens, this is just spin put out by New Labour because they know that such a change in voting rights would totally screw labours ability to damage England the way it can currently.
Again it is not simply stopping them to leave. The proposed change is simply to a certain point of the process, not the whole political process on England only matters. This is alot cheaper and quicker to do than establishing a NEW parliament.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
Foolishned, that is exactly what i would prefer. Scottish MPs deciding Scottish matters, there is such a thing as the Scottish Grand Committee, although since devolution thats been pointless. Instead of a whole new parliament, that committee and its powers should have been strenghtened.
But now theres 7 MSPs and 1 MP doing the same work that 1 MP use to do, but ofcourse that money comes out of Scotlands money.
There is no going back though, devolution is here to stay, but im not happy with it
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
England having its own parliament has far bigger complications than the problems it solves. Who do you want to be the next prime minister of the UK? and why dont u want that person to be first minister of England? Having a first minister of England is my biggest concern, after the cost of an English only parliament
We may move to a federal United Kingdom when England gets its parliament, but now is NOT the time, all efforts must be on defeating the disgusting separatists who threaten the union
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
Most Scottish MPs already do not vote on English only matters anyway. Its only been an incident or two where Scottish votes has impacted on an English only matter.
This idea we have to create a WHOLE new parliament just for the sake of those occasional issues is just silly.
A conservative government will simply allow only English MPs to take part in the legislative process at a certain stage. They wont be kicked out of anywhere, simply not take part in a vote.
England doesnt need devolution
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
When you ask the people do you want to spend 10s of millions on an English parliament to duplicate the work and be an extra layer of government, i think you will find peoples support is less certain, even if they say they support an English parliament, do they view it as important or a priority? no
I think you will find when we have a conservative government, the view we need an English parliament will decline. Oh and theres a big difference between wanting a parliament and a break up of the UK
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
An EP will replace the flaccid Westminster model with smaller more accountable governance! 70% of W'minster's time at the mo' is taken up with English only legislation. Get rid of it, replace it with a SMALLER & CHEAPER EP - (& get rid of 150 MPs from W, S & NI). Next, dissolve the H of L (& 700+ Lords) and replace with a SMALL federal chamber of (say 100) reps taken from the 4 home countries to take care of the 30% left over which is UK bizz.
Simples.
Alfietheok 2 years ago
@TheBritishWatcher why should the largest population not have a voice ?
EnglandFirst1 11 months ago
TBW, you say - 'The United Kingdom is our country'.... As I said, that'll be why Scotland, Wales and NI are either wholly or partly run by separatist parties.....
The union is finished. as soon as unitary government went in 1998, so did the union. It's as a dodo, gone, dead, defunct and good riddance to bad rubbish.
The UK is KO - which is OK with me.
And I love this sentence TBW - 'You make it sound like england is desperate for democracy'....
You couldn't make it up.
Alfietheok 2 years ago
The United Kingdom is still a country, the Scottish parliament and other assemblies just do devolved matters. Less than 40% voted for the SNP, over 60% of the MSPs are supporters of the union. In Wales more 70% vote for the unionist parties.
The union is not finished, the separatists will be defeated, be they English, Welsh or Scottish ones.
Do not think that England will benefit from a break up of the United Kingdom, none of us benefit. Scotland does not get lots of money from England.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
Are you having a laugh!
EnglishCult 2 years ago
It's not just about the money but an independent England would be considerably better off with English taxes spent on England rather than being syphoned off here there and everywhere like they are now.
Wyrdtimes 2 years ago
You put at risk Englands interests by supporting the break up of the UK, You threaten our position on the United Nations Security Council, you weaken our position as a global power, and our armed forces.
England does not have much to gain from being independent, the only one thing i can see is wed be far more conservative but a break up of the UK is too high a price to pay for that.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
British Watcher what absolute twaddle.
EnglishCult 2 years ago
Why is it twaddle?
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
This is the situation - England has no interests. England does not officially exist. It's a myth that England is stronger as part of the union. The Union ensures there is no England.
Global power? lol. Being America's puppet is not being a global power it's being America's puppet.
England would still need an armed forces, just not so big. Hopefully we wouldn't be engaging ourselves in unwinable wars such as Afghanistan.
The UN is corrupt.
Next.
Wyrdtimes 2 years ago
England is a country of the United Kingdom. It will not be long until Wales has full devolution the way Scotland does, when that happens then England will have its fully own legal identity if thats what you care about. It is not a myth that England is stronger as part of the union, there is no way we can be stronger out
of it
Global power - 1 of 5 permanent members of the UN security council, 6th largest economy, one of the EU3, leading member of NATO, yes close relationship with the USA
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
England would still have an armed forces yes, but it would be a farm smaller one with less assets as its divided up between England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland.
The UN isnt perfect, all the more vital we keep our seat on the UN security council where we have veto power. a position most countries on this planet can only dream of. Whilst technically England might simply take the UK seat in the way Russia did following the break up of the USSR, that is far from clear.. there for its very risky
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
You're talking like it's 1899. Is power all that motivates you? It's all that motivates our leaders who talk exactly the way you do.
You don't get it. England does not exist as part of the union. Brown can't even say the word. England would be stronger and have more influence independent because England would exist again currently it does not.
Nothing wrong with a small armed forces - we would have all we need to defend ourselves - which is all we should have.
Wyrdtimes 2 years ago
So if the separatists are bound to be defeated, what's your problem? Why get in such a lather?
I reckon it's because in your heart of hearts, you know the game is up.
The last mori poll showed 62% of those English people asked to be in favour of an English Parliament. Last time I did sums, that roughly equates to a two thirds majority and almost 20 percentage points in front of the Tories at their most popular during the past year. Maybe we should be allowed a referendum on the matter?
Alfietheok 2 years ago
England and English separatism is not something that seriously concerns me. Only a small number of people here are separatists and they can not do much damage.
The threat comes from separatists in other parts of the United Kingdom, but the union supporters still are in a majority and can defeat the separatists.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
TBW - It does not solve the problem. We just want what everyone else in the whole of democratic Europe has of right - national legislative power.
Look, for goodness sake, our national democratic emasculation is too high a price 2 pay in order to preserve a union that is looking a tad worse for wear. That'll be the union that is so strong apparently that all 3 devolved administrations are either wholly or partly run by seperatist parties!
Ain't democracy wonderful? I just wish we had some.
Alfietheok 2 years ago
Nice one Alfie
EnglishCult 2 years ago
The overwhelming majority of MPs are English, we do not need an entire parliament just for England. Theres a london assembly which is a complete joke and waste fo money. The people in the north east of England rejected an assembly.
The majority in the Scottish parliament support the union, the majority in the welsh assembly support the union.
You make it sound like england is desperate for democracy, imagine how the other parts of the UK felt. The United Kingdom is our country
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
Deluded fool
EnglishCult 2 years ago
For 300 years England has dominated the union and on UK issues it still does, its pretty pathetic that some English people today are getting so worked up about devolution.
Look for goodness sake, the conservatives have said when they come to power they make it so that only English MPs can vote on English legislation at a certain part of the process, that gives English MPs the power to veto legislation impacting on England.
That solves the problem. This English nationalism nonsense is dangerous
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
I'm English not British.
Your Union is doing its utmost to eradicate England completely - modern English nationalism is the fightback. It's a fight to get our country back, out of the hands of the EU and the UK.
English law for England
English taxes for England
Home rule for England
Wyrdtimes 2 years ago
Lmao, this sort of English nationalism is dangerous.
We are British citizens, do not forget it
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
I'm a free born Englishman and a British subject against my will.
To whom is English nationalism dangerous exactly?
Wyrdtimes 2 years ago
You were born English and British. I fail to see how you can opt out of being British in a way that someone from Cornwall should not opt out of being English.. England has separatism problems too, theres cornish nationalists plotting.
English nationalism is so very dangerous to everyone, to English people, the United Kingdom, to all people who have fought to remain part of it. Look at the struggles in Northern Ireland to remain part of the UK... all that effort for England to just walk away?
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
I was born British but I do not regard myself as such. To be called British is an insult as far as I'm concerned. I am English - end of.
Personally I think that Ireland should be one nation. Just as England should be one nation.
In time when the English wake up en mass and the English Parliament is re-established then Cornwall should have it's own referendum. Personally I think they will reject the idea when England has English taxes to spend on England.
Are you an Ulsterman by any chance?
Wyrdtimes 2 years ago
No i am from England, but i have always considered myself British.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
I constantly baffles me how any free born Englishman or woman could possibly put the UK before England.
Have you been to Scotland lately - they're not flying the Union flag.
Wake up matey. England is getting shafted and right now you're part of the problem not the solution.
Wyrdtimes 2 years ago
England has huge problems, but a conservative government after the next election will take action to address many of these issues, including the English votes for English laws issue.
There are many unionists in Scotland, the union flag flys outside the Scottish parliament, it flys above Edinburgh castle. Watch a match with Rangers, plenty of their fans are good unionists, some take loads of union flags with them to the games.
The union can be secured, and that is in all of our interests.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
How old are you? Not very I'm thinking if you trust the Tories to stick to their word. Cameron can't say England either and has made it plain he won't do anything about Barnett or let us vote on devolution for Eng. Can't even commit to referendum on EU.
Tories absolutely not to be trusted on anything ever. Esp not on England as they vow to put Union first which means continuing to put England last.
Wyrdtimes 2 years ago
So we cant vote labour, cant vote conservatives, who on earth do you think we should vote for? lol.
If you look at an election map you will see most of England is conservative, this is their base. The idea that we can never elect a party because of what it did 20 years ago is nonsense. Times change, party policy changes. Thats how democracy works in this country. One party has a few years to run the show then the other one gets a go.
England being part of the UK is good for England.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
You are the dangerous one, you have no sense of reality
EnglishCult 2 years ago
Excellent! Keep the pressure up and eventually we shall win. All we shall then need to maintain our nation is a bloody long memory.
Never forget and don't forgive.
TheHead9999 2 years ago
first class!
Wyrdtimes 2 years ago