貌似是多神教 <- dude, paganism that is. but seriously ur tone suggest that u need a firmer grasp of ur knowledge before we can have a serious debate on this. Great chatting with a firm diciple of Vladmir Lenin like u. This will be my last msg on this board. Come back anytime years later after u graduate from college lets see if u d become a more effective debater then.
意识形态的共产主义 -> yes agree with this point. 意识形态的共产主义 is precisely what will eradicate all the so-called communist party members in China today cause everyone from Hu to the lowest party member, is a traitor of the Marx's original communist principles.
您的观点真是偏执,您凭什么说中国共产党背叛了Marx's original communist principle?只是因为中国允许了私有制,中国允许市场经济,中国进行了改革开放?中国共产党和中国只是没有教条对待马克思主义,不是把马克思的每句话当圣言来遵守。中国共产党坚持了原则,但也表现出政策的灵活性。马克思主义从来都是开放的和批判的,它从来都不反对变革。
c'mon just admit that u r on the commie party's payroll. Whats the rate again? 0.05 pence/post isnt it? so uve just earned half a quid. Well done. Now take that money, buy some chows and get out of our sight.
china's communist party today no longer endorses communism: unlike during Mao's reign where communism is advertised as the ultimate goal of China, the party today seeks socialism with chinese characteristics. This is cited over and over again by every leader since Deng Xiaoping.
sovietligjie, ur soviets are dead. Even communist China is rid itself of soviet symbols today. (changing street names from Lenin St. to Renmin St.) u have two options:
1) Go to hell and meet ur f**kin comrade Stalin there and be one of his minions in hell.
2) Take a train to North Korea and serve under General Kim Jong-il. Be sure to bring some food with u though.
I happened to have been to the DPRK in 2007 and trust me what i saw there is much much better than most parts of China in terms of social stability. The question is, would u prefer rights for people or social stability? China has lost so much of its traditional virtue through the process of reform.
lol u mean the cultural revolution where ppl were encouraged to betray their spouse, children and parents. its surprising that u also hate these moral degradation because u sound like one of those red guards during the cultural revolution to me.
lol...thats what u believe as a result of Chinese propaganda that the USSR is revisionist. China is equally revisionist to North Koreans in its deviation from communist principles today. A traitor of comintern that is. Btw, the USSR was founded on the principles on communism whereas Rome started off as a pagan and was only converted to christianity later. In other words, christianity didnt contribute to the rise of Rome at all.
社会主义民主: how will democracy will reflected? Will a public election be held in this system, ever? Do chinese ever get to choose a ruling party other than the communist party under this system?
go get urself the book by Edward Gibbons: The decline and Fall of Roman Empire. He had some real insight (and widely accepted) into this particular matter. Lol good that u compare China with the later stage of Rome, what awaits the regime is its downfall thats for sure.
i dont hate communism as an ideal but to me whichever country adopts communism as a main political system is destined to meet its demise. So far only five (China, DPRK, Vietnam, Laos and Cuba) states remain out of the 50-so communist states in 1960.
lol have u been to the phillipines, laos and vietnam? do just think dude....seriously...u r full of assumpitions. Russia and former yugoslavian states are more democatic and are very different from China. China should compare itself to another dictatorship to be fair, Singapore.
singapore started off as a poor fishing village in the 1950s and was under constant military threat from neighbors like malaysia and indonesian with all the hatred feelings towards chinese. Lol communism is what ruined China thats for sure.
so....thats why we need to fight for democracy and freedom ourselves... the west will never cordially help and bring us good. We need to be self-reliant on cracking down the communists and its evil dictatorship.
chinese farmers chose the communist party during Chinese Civil war because they believe they would become masters of the nation but the truth is since the market reform they are becoming more and more like slaves serving people on the top.
lol i believe i have more authority on this than most chinese urban dwellers. I have spent years conversing with farmers and migrant workers in the city and lol, pls dont assume anything just because i m replying in english.
Admit it or not. they are the de facto slaves today to chinese like urself. Working hard and living in poverty. do u know that 80 million farmers still are below the UN poverty line to this day. Lol 您根本不了解现在中国是个什么样子。 <- u gotta be kidding me. As a 19 year old, theres much much more for u to learn beyond communist propaganda and whats legally allowed for u to read in China. The aim of the communist censorship to brainwash kids like urself.
i suggest that u learn a bit more about latin american democracy before reaching ur judgement. Democracy never fails people, its the people who failed democracy.
i find ur ignorance shocking with a saying like this..... Wealth can be accumulated in no time, and is especially in a country like the US but skin colour u cant change. U should familiarize urself with the american civil rights movement first before commenting on the significance of Obama's victory.
excuse me but i dont believe i ve said something like 一蹴而就 or whatever>..... anyway perhaps u should learn more english and about everything to understand my arguementts. I realise that we are not really on the same level of knowledge when we speak. I suggest that u open up ur eyes and mind and take some chances to walk around to see things for urself.
really? i thought China's more capitalist today than more countries in the West....
oh yes true, in order to avoid more unnecessary deaths in China, I suggest that Americans invade China right away and kill a few of the fellow resisting Chinese and only then can we have a true harmonious society, without stupid commies.
I wish I was in China to document everything. I don't takes sides when I document. I encapsulate all perspectives. I'am dissapointed with all governments in regards to certian issues. For example,look what our fore fathers did to the Native Americans in the U.S. we don't really talk about that anymore. I believe that after all of the environmental disasters and wars, human civilization will be one step closer as a whole to peace and taking care of the earth.
people just want to see one side words. many students have right thinking, but wrong action. and the most inprotant thing is a lot Cities had ready out of control. killing, robs frie. everyone's look beijing how to stop it. who made them no choice, those students leaders gone to US, show their drity job to Chinese, we need to work on our human rights, but we have on hope to those 1989 students.
youtube审核??
sanlingde 1 year ago
Rats & Traitors everyone knows that democracy=poverty
managramata 1 year ago
不敢忘记 不曾忘记
BladeSec 1 year ago
想上网看看北京今天的发展呢 怎么又看到这种几百年前的新闻了 真是碍眼
cai88121 2 years ago
你们这帮丑傻逼
linanleon 2 years ago
这里已经不是社会主义和资本主义之间的纷争了,这是人民在向骑在中华民族头上千年的专制统治挑战,无论谁敢挡在人民的道路上,即便是满天神佛都要死!如果中国共产党要站在人民的对立面,那么人民必定会将其一并毁灭!
Gabrielliucc 2 years ago
Maybe we are fighting the wrong terrorist these days
HyNiJo 2 years ago
小子 在加拿大哪里啊 不会是赖昌星吧你
cai88121 2 years ago
由人民决定国家和民族的命运,而不是由某个政党。没有民主的,一党专制的中国必定无法遏制腐败和维护社会公平正义。绝对的权力是无限腐化的源头。两千年的封建专制已经证明只有民主才是国家民族长期稳定发展的唯一手段。根本无须外力介入,专制的中国自会自动瓦解,如文革一般的事情还会发生。三十年改革开放浮华之景倾覆只在一夜间。
Gabrielliucc 2 years ago
文革就是缺乏民主的表现,诚然,民主是一种手段,而不是目的,但是专制是必然要走向灭亡的。一味地用口号,用理论来阐述共产党的理念都是虚假的,中华民族是属于每一个中国人的,中国是属于每一个中国人的,权力是人民赐予的。如果人民决定要共产党去死,共产党就必须服从。
Gabrielliucc 2 years ago
你只有真正了解中国的文化才能说,中国虽然有不足, 但是在进步,中国在强大
xttanyue 2 years ago
这是对的,但是这种事情按轮回的说法是要遭报应的,我想着你一定也了解
mengyangchaofeng 2 years ago
现行的中共是一个戴着马克思主义假面具进行专制统治的一帮封建流氓.
xijuntian1984 2 years ago
坚持党中央的领导,消灭一切反动力量
cccmyccc001 2 years ago
等中国民主实现的那天,你一定会受到审判
mengyangchaofeng 2 years ago
相信中國!我是香港人,但是我覺得大陸在變化。
lianbusuiyin 2 years ago
qinwuyang 你这个贱狗,当初你父母咋没把你射到墙上
linshuer 2 years ago
在死去同胞的灵魂上在这里辩论些没有意义的东西。到这会儿还不能团结起来么?祝死去的同胞安好
whitetopbaiwei 2 years ago 3
Freedom, Democracy and Human Rights for China !
deedee1067 2 years ago 4
Great China !
Ryan198710 2 years ago
中國最大的損失就是以趙紫陽為首的中共開明派的倒臺.中國的民主市民時候纔能到來呢.
qinwuyang 2 years ago
這裏的中國人,妳們不要認為我們批判阿共就是在批評妳們的國傢.希望妳們自信一點.共産黨的錯誤,對中華民族犯下的罪行希望妳們承認.謝謝.
qinwuyang 3 years ago
支那豬的國傢和臺灣有什么關繫啊.鄧侏儒殺得好啊.中國人的原則就是隻要反對我們偉大的中共就是漢姦.隻要是國民黨就是反動派.估計全世界也就中國人是這樣愛國的吧.哈哈哈
qinwuyang 3 years ago
请你说话注意语言,中共领导的国家里的人民并不像你想得那么愚昧。
lianbusuiyin 2 years ago
感情你不是支那豬?要知道,外国人可分不清你是大陆的帅哥,还是台湾的支那豬!!!
742966065 2 years ago
火都是那些被蛊惑了的学生放的吧!为伟大的祖国首都添的那么多麻烦,他们应该感到羞愧!
lzxlijie 3 years ago
貌似是多神教 <- dude, paganism that is. but seriously ur tone suggest that u need a firmer grasp of ur knowledge before we can have a serious debate on this. Great chatting with a firm diciple of Vladmir Lenin like u. This will be my last msg on this board. Come back anytime years later after u graduate from college lets see if u d become a more effective debater then.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
我的知识是不巩固。但您对中国共产党确实不了解。您居然还以为中国共产党仍在宣传苏联是因修正主义而灭亡的,修正主义在中国共产党的理论中早已不存在了。您为何不肯花时间跟一些中国共产党的干部和普通党员广泛的交谈呢?不了解中国共产党及其现实理论就莫谈了解当代中国。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
但不管怎么说,与您讨论是富有教益的,最后祝您幸福,也很抱歉浪费您这么多时间与我讨论,其实我们谁也说服不了谁。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
意识形态的共产主义 -> yes agree with this point. 意识形态的共产主义 is precisely what will eradicate all the so-called communist party members in China today cause everyone from Hu to the lowest party member, is a traitor of the Marx's original communist principles.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
您的观点真是偏执,您凭什么说中国共产党背叛了Marx's original communist principle?只是因为中国允许了私有制,中国允许市场经济,中国进行了改革开放?中国共产党和中国只是没有教条对待马克思主义,不是把马克思的每句话当圣言来遵守。中国共产党坚持了原则,但也表现出政策的灵活性。马克思主义从来都是开放的和批判的,它从来都不反对变革。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
c'mon just admit that u r on the commie party's payroll. Whats the rate again? 0.05 pence/post isnt it? so uve just earned half a quid. Well done. Now take that money, buy some chows and get out of our sight.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
如果中国来一次普选,肯定是共产党当选,毋庸置疑,因为共产党干的不错,胡锦涛干得比小布什,布莱尔之徒好得多。中国现在绝大多数是农民。农民现在不支持共产党就活见鬼了。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
i m sure most farmers prefer Mao over Hu.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
china's communist party today no longer endorses communism: unlike during Mao's reign where communism is advertised as the ultimate goal of China, the party today seeks socialism with chinese characteristics. This is cited over and over again by every leader since Deng Xiaoping.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
我不觉的中国共产党背叛它的信仰,但确实有很多共产党员背叛了共产主义信仰,有的就根本没有信仰。这是作为执政党的中国共产党的必须背负的东西吧。至于农民会在毛主席和老胡之间选谁,不好说。但农民绝对会选共产党。农民怀念毛主席,是因为毛主席领导时期他们得到了土地,还有毛泽东时代干部的清廉
sovietlijie 3 years ago
lol communism endorses equal wealth for everyone, does china's communist party?
The gap between the rich and poor is becoming bigger as the day goes.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
我承认这一点,但要达到共同富裕那是目的,现在还是过程,不可能一蹴而就,中国还在发展,中国现在贫富差距巨大不代表未来实现不了共同富裕。中国共产党从未承认过现在贫富差距是合理的,共产党现在也在想办法缩小贫富差距。哪个国家的发展是一蹴而就呢?为什么要如此苛刻的对待共产党和中国呢?
sovietlijie 3 years ago
sovietligjie, ur soviets are dead. Even communist China is rid itself of soviet symbols today. (changing street names from Lenin St. to Renmin St.) u have two options:
1) Go to hell and meet ur f**kin comrade Stalin there and be one of his minions in hell.
2) Take a train to North Korea and serve under General Kim Jong-il. Be sure to bring some food with u though.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
ps:我不喜欢斯大林!至于北朝鲜,我也不太喜欢,个人崇拜太严重了。为了领袖的画像可以牺牲生命,实在不行。但北朝鲜到底什么样子,我不知。但它封闭,不开放我是不喜欢的。我不喜欢斯大林主义,但我喜欢部分苏维埃制度。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
I happened to have been to the DPRK in 2007 and trust me what i saw there is much much better than most parts of China in terms of social stability. The question is, would u prefer rights for people or social stability? China has lost so much of its traditional virtue through the process of reform.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
中国改革中确实丧失了许多传统道德,但也取得了骄人成就。我痛恨某些国人道德的沦丧,但还是可以看到,中国人民大多数还是没有沦丧道德的,人民是可爱的,特别是那些的哥,那些开小店的,那些农民。但话说回来,比起过去,人们的道德水平下降了。但这是有什么导致的,恐怕不是共产主义吧。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
lol u mean the cultural revolution where ppl were encouraged to betray their spouse, children and parents. its surprising that u also hate these moral degradation because u sound like one of those red guards during the cultural revolution to me.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
我不知道您怎么会这样想?您的思维很奇怪,文化大革命是灾难,这是毋庸置疑的,痛恨道德堕落跟红卫兵有什么关系?任何一个正常人都会痛恨道德堕落。一个真正的马列主义者怎么会喜欢文化大革命?
sovietlijie 3 years ago
我是列宁主义者。苏联玩完了并不能说明苏维埃制度和列宁主义完蛋了。恰恰相反正是因为苏联没有实行好苏维埃制度,正是因为它背叛了列宁主义的原则,才导致了灭亡。就象圣奥古斯丁为基督教辩护的一样:不是因为信仰基督教导致罗马帝国的灭亡,而是由于它背叛了基督教的基本原则才导致了它的灭亡。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
lol...thats what u believe as a result of Chinese propaganda that the USSR is revisionist. China is equally revisionist to North Koreans in its deviation from communist principles today. A traitor of comintern that is. Btw, the USSR was founded on the principles on communism whereas Rome started off as a pagan and was only converted to christianity later. In other words, christianity didnt contribute to the rise of Rome at all.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
修正主义。。。怎么说呢,我的意思是,苏联背叛了马克思列宁主义,政治神秘化,彻底成了一个供养官僚的机器。脱离人民,教条僵死。共产主义并不反对民主,也不反对自由,恰恰相反马克思列宁主义要的就是真正的民主与自由,但列宁逝世后苏联的领导人就背叛了共产主义原则,
sovietlijie 3 years ago
让共产主义背上了反对民主与自由的恶名,而以后的社会主义国家(包括现在的中国)受苏联影响,走上了错误的路子(斯大林模式)。没有自由,没有民主,没有人民对政府监督的社会主义是绝对不合格的社会主义,共产主义是开放的是,是要民主的。中国现在就是这个样子,并不合格,领导人也承认。所以中国现在在一步步完善社会主义民主。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
社会主义民主: how will democracy will reflected? Will a public election be held in this system, ever? Do chinese ever get to choose a ruling party other than the communist party under this system?
phasmaserica 3 years ago
民主是什么?民主为了什么?民主就一定要改变执政党吗?只要让中国人大能真正按照宪法行事,而不再是软图章,那就是民主。民主就是要让人民监督政府。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
至于罗马帝国与基督教。是这样的:罗马帝国灭亡了,于是有些人说,正是罗马帝国后来放弃了它旧的宗教(貌似是多神教),改立基督教为国教,才导致了它的灭亡。于是圣奥古斯丁辩护说:正是因为罗马人后来沉于享乐——这显然是背叛基督教原则的,才导致其灭亡。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
go get urself the book by Edward Gibbons: The decline and Fall of Roman Empire. He had some real insight (and widely accepted) into this particular matter. Lol good that u compare China with the later stage of Rome, what awaits the regime is its downfall thats for sure.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
吉本的《罗马帝国兴衰史》未曾拜读,我不做评价,但我可没把中国跟罗马帝国晚期相提并论,你显然没理解我的意思。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
但我知道这本书很牛,但我还有很多书没看,所以不知何时可看到。但很感谢您推荐这本书
sovietlijie 3 years ago
意即不是基督教而是背叛基督教才导致其灭亡。所以我要表达的是,不是共产主义而是背叛了共产主义才导致苏联完蛋。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
same thing will happen to China's communist party. I bet u dont dare to criticise the soviet union in China back in Stalin's times.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
i dont hate communism as an ideal but to me whichever country adopts communism as a main political system is destined to meet its demise. So far only five (China, DPRK, Vietnam, Laos and Cuba) states remain out of the 50-so communist states in 1960.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
i meant as an idealogy.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
中国之所以有现在这样的上升(这您不能否认吧),就是因为中国共产党既面对现实,又忠于理想。您认为共产主义制度必将死亡,这是您的信仰,我无权干涉,信仰自由嘛。但您理解中的共产主义体制是什么呢?就是什么是社会主义,什么是作为意识形态的共产主义?
sovietlijie 3 years ago
但您要看到这五个社会主义国家的现实情况,其中三个进行了改革,成效也是很显著地,朝鲜不进行改革固守斯大林模式所以穷得很,古巴已经开始改革,等效果出来了再看吧。我想比起菲律宾这样的民主国家,中,老,越三国的情况应该说不错吧。中国比俄罗斯,比前南斯拉夫各国。。。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
lol have u been to the phillipines, laos and vietnam? do just think dude....seriously...u r full of assumpitions. Russia and former yugoslavian states are more democatic and are very different from China. China should compare itself to another dictatorship to be fair, Singapore.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
singapore started off as a poor fishing village in the 1950s and was under constant military threat from neighbors like malaysia and indonesian with all the hatred feelings towards chinese. Lol communism is what ruined China thats for sure.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
我没去过那些国家,但没去过并不代表没有发言权。难道您认为菲律宾比越南,老挝发展好吗?至于新加坡,是很好,也值得中国学习,但也要看到新加坡多小,中国多大。既要看到共性,也要看到差异。新加坡,dictatorship,那要不要推翻呢?新加坡跟菲律宾比一下,菲律宾不是民主国家吗?
sovietlijie 3 years ago
至于前南,一个波黑战争死了多少人,现在连科索沃独立也阻止不了了,完全是手西方大国玩弄。新加坡如何如何,难道中国这些年的发展不迅速,不伟大吗?中国不是在崛起吗?如果您否认这一点,那真是颠倒黑白
sovietlijie 3 years ago
至于东欧那些国家,它们的共产党不思改革,反对社会主义民主,才落得崩溃的下场。至于齐奥赛斯库之徒,死有余辜。东欧所谓社会主义国家不崩溃就见鬼了,他们以后的领导人根本就背叛了共产主义信仰。社会主义并不反对民主,只反对西方的资本主义民主。社会主义就是要消灭剥削,有民主有自由,但不能一蹴而就,也不能无所作为。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
看了下面某些人的评论,我他妈才知道中国没什么希望了,有些人就是做奴隶才做的开心!一代青年伟大的运动就这样被埋没被曲解,看看现在跟尸体没什么区别的大学生和一如既往愚钝的人民!
liusha85 3 years ago
那时候的愤青是太没脑了,在西方人里存在的只有傲慢与偏见,什么人权,民主,都是西方标榜反共的武器。
lgwlgwlgw198889 3 years ago
so....thats why we need to fight for democracy and freedom ourselves... the west will never cordially help and bring us good. We need to be self-reliant on cracking down the communists and its evil dictatorship.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
人肯定死了不少,但那时不镇压,以后要饿死更多人。死者可悲,但 不可敬。简直是白白送死。。。
你觉得现在好吗?你认为一个没有规则只有权利的游戏能玩多久,你喜欢与即是裁判又是队员的球队比赛吗?你认为中国人这个很能忍的民族会平白无故的游行吗?你认为中国人是你说的那么傻吗?你想想吧。
husizhen 3 years ago
难道中国现在只有权力没有规则吗?共产党和中国政府不是对立的,中国政府和中国人民不是踢足球的双方。我何时说过中国人很傻?我是说那些为了民运而死去的大学生是被那些民运分子骗了,利用了!
sovietlijie 3 years ago
参加游行的占中国人的多少?当然,中国这个很能忍的民族(真不知是我们民族的优点还是缺点)出现这么大规模的事件肯定是有原因的。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
腐败和民主不健全(说不健全还是轻了)导致了这些,但通过推翻共产党和社会主义消灭不了这些问题。若是八九事件成功了,那些贪官污吏定会假经济私有化之手一个个摇身一变成为寡头们。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
政治和历史不是游戏。反正我觉得中国现在挺好的,因为大多数方面是向好的方面发展的。而不像伊拉克,东欧诸国。不是为了民主而民主,民主是为了使人民的利益最大化。抽象的民主是用来玩弄的概念,虚无缥缈,没有意义。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
只有具体的民主才有意义,中国需要具体的民主,但不是西方式的富人们,资产阶级政客们扯皮开空头支票的具体的假民主,要的真正的民主(虽然这种民主现在世界上任何一个角落都不存在),社会主义式的。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
really u r saying that Obama was elected by votes from rich whites?
phasmaserica 3 years ago
奥巴马还没上台,还不知道他能做什么。暂不评价。奥巴马确实是选民选出来的,尼克松也是选出来的,小布什也是选出来的(可悲的很,2000年的大选叫人咋舌啊)。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
问题不是出在是不是选出来的问题,而是从哪些人里面选出来的。如果候选人都是代表资产阶级利益的,选出来的又有什么意思呢?如果成为候选人还得有比普通人多的财力的话,没选之前就已经有了限制,这叫民主吗?
sovietlijie 3 years ago
为什么美国法律不规定一切选举花销国家承担,禁止使用私人钱财?这样可以避免只能富人参选(美国大选花钱之巨,叫人咋舌)。要是说筹款,没有共和or民主党支持,能筹到多少钱?
sovietlijie 3 years ago
既然民主,您为何不去参选英国首相?如果您以一个普通公民的身份当选英国首相,那我才真正相信西方民主是真民主了。要知道像海地啊等南美全是西方民主,总统当然不是仅由rich whites选出来的。可那些国家又怎么样么?哈马斯也是选出来的嘛。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
chinese farmers chose the communist party during Chinese Civil war because they believe they would become masters of the nation but the truth is since the market reform they are becoming more and more like slaves serving people on the top.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
中国农民觉得成为了服务上层人物的奴隶?我只能说这简直是笑话。我只能说,您should learn a bit more about Chinese farmers and China。您根本不了解现在中国是个什么样子。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
lol i believe i have more authority on this than most chinese urban dwellers. I have spent years conversing with farmers and migrant workers in the city and lol, pls dont assume anything just because i m replying in english.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
您花数年与许多农民和民工交谈,但您还是没有了解中国农民。您还是没有找出他们贫困的根源。推翻共产党对农民脱贫没有任何帮助。您看到中国现在仍有8千万中国农民处在联合国贫困线以下,但你没看到这么多年中国农民有多少脱贫。光看一面只会知道贫困存在,但不会找出消灭贫困的方法。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
ps:我并不是要说这8千万是合理的。这8千万,共产党必须让他们脱贫,否则共产党只能下台。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
我不是因为您用英语才说你不了解中国农民的。有些外国人比中国人还了解中国。我是因为您的观点才说您不了解中国农民的。花许多年跟农民和民工交谈不一定就会了解中国农民。中国农民挺复杂的,有其共性与差异性。有些人一辈子跟农民打交道,但得出的结论和你相反。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
Admit it or not. they are the de facto slaves today to chinese like urself. Working hard and living in poverty. do u know that 80 million farmers still are below the UN poverty line to this day. Lol 您根本不了解现在中国是个什么样子。 <- u gotta be kidding me. As a 19 year old, theres much much more for u to learn beyond communist propaganda and whats legally allowed for u to read in China. The aim of the communist censorship to brainwash kids like urself.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
您终于用上洗脑这个词,但抱歉,我不是靠新闻联播和政府宣传来构造自己思想的。我的思想是经过洗练的。并不是反共产党的就是独立的,社会的黑暗面谁未见过,这不需要到了多少年龄才能接触到。至于8千万中国农民处于联合国贫困线一下我怎能不知道,我是在人民网上看到的。但中国没有在行动吗?中国政府也没有隐瞒这一点。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
洗脑这个词还是少用微妙,说他人洗脑的前提是自己的思想是独立的,但就一定确定自己思想是独立的吗?没人会承认自己思想是不独立的,但事实却很难说,有可能是独立的,也有可能是被洗脑的。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
您对中国共产党和中国政治缺乏了解。您需要好好接触一下中国共产党,不仅仅要看它宣传什么,还要看看它的内参里写了什么,它的干部和普通党员在想什么,在说什么,多方面,多角度,感性加理性去了解吧。别总以为材料掌握的多就把握了真理。只能说您不了解中国。中国现在不是文革时期。了解不了中国共产党就毋轻言了解中国。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
i suggest that u learn a bit more about latin american democracy before reaching ur judgement. Democracy never fails people, its the people who failed democracy.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
您一直在谈论抽象的民主,谈问题是任何实际的民主都是具体的民主。否则古希腊民主和现代西方民主是一样的。我从来不反对民主。但我反对的西方资本主义民主。为什么拉美人民会failed民主呢?难道他们天生贱胚吗?不是为了民主而民主,是为了人民而民主。人民是民主的主体。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
我还是要说,我不反对民主,中国现在需要民主,没有民主中国就没有未来,但中国不需要西方资本主义民主,中国要建设自己的民主,要让未来西方人向中国学习民主。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
为什么非得强调rich whites?肤色那么重要吗?堂堂民主国家,有钱非得要白种人吗?美国立国两百年,现在才出现黑人总统,这不是光荣。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
i find ur ignorance shocking with a saying like this..... Wealth can be accumulated in no time, and is especially in a country like the US but skin colour u cant change. U should familiarize urself with the american civil rights movement first before commenting on the significance of Obama's victory.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
您既然知道一切都不能一蹴而就,那为何就不能理解中国的社会主义民主也不可能一蹴而就,中华人民共和国立国才多少年?民主是要有的,但也不是一蹴而就的。为什么能理解美国的渐进却不能理解中国的渐进呢?
sovietlijie 3 years ago
excuse me but i dont believe i ve said something like 一蹴而就 or whatever>..... anyway perhaps u should learn more english and about everything to understand my arguementts. I realise that we are not really on the same level of knowledge when we speak. I suggest that u open up ur eyes and mind and take some chances to walk around to see things for urself.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
这难道不是偏见吗?而且我是了解美国民权运动的,您不能否认民权运动中的暴动吧。美国政府没镇压吗?出现黑人总统,这说明黑人的地位总算比原来有所提高了,但这是黑人们争取而来的,是民权运动中黑人的斗争和流血换来的。不是美国民主良心发现给他们的。但我也并没有否认奥巴马上台的意义:黑人终于有所出头了。但您能否认美国依然存在种族歧视吗?
sovietlijie 3 years ago
奥巴马当选说明美国比六七十年代进步了,我没有否认它的意义,但这并不能说明美国民主咋咋地
sovietlijie 3 years ago
支持中国强盛繁荣!!!!!政府在执行职能的时候,毕竟有他的方法方式!这在世界任何一个政府都是一样的!只要能努力为人民工作就是好政府,不要为了一点点的负面事件就以点遮面!!还是强烈支持共产党!!中国人民需要稳定!需要发展!这是最重要的!!!!!
oboejackie 3 years ago
等到杀到你头上的时候,我希望你为了稳定不要吭声,好好做顺民,党不会亏待你的
liusha85 3 years ago
Ya but at the cost of people's freedom and even lives! People deserve to have a voice!!!
fuckapotomis 3 years ago
人肯定死了不少,但那时不镇压,以后要饿死更多人。死者可悲,但不可敬。简直是白白送死。。。为什么没有人追究那些所谓民主运动的领导者们呢?他们才是罪魁祸首。他们好像最后全跑到美国大使馆,现在估计在美国过着幸福生活吧!那些普通的游行者确实是爱着自己的祖国,但却被那些叛国者利用了。只有傻子才不热爱民主,但资本主义民主不值得热爱
sovietlijie 3 years ago
really? i thought China's more capitalist today than more countries in the West....
oh yes true, in order to avoid more unnecessary deaths in China, I suggest that Americans invade China right away and kill a few of the fellow resisting Chinese and only then can we have a true harmonious society, without stupid commies.
phasmaserica 3 years ago
干吗用贬义词commy?说中国比西方还资本主义,不敢苟同。论私有化程度,中国可不敢跟西方比,论资产阶级对国家的控制,中国也不敢和西方比。中国现在确实比一些西方国家贫富差距大,但这又能说明什么呢?消灭贫富差距是中国的目的,但现在是过程。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
(接上or下文)共产党消灭了就和谐了?那东欧真太和谐了!如果中国共产党只是个独裁党,那早下台了。南美的那些军政府那么血腥镇压,不早就下台了吗,为什么中国共产党没下台?让美国军队打中国?
sovietlijie 3 years ago
即使打着消灭共产党的旗号,也没多少人会响应,美军会败的相当惨的,用蒙哥马利的话来讲叫进得去,出不来。commy们绝对不是愚蠢的,否则中国早玩完了。您别带着偏见看中国和共产党(ps 中国共产党腐败问题确实比较严重 但那时官僚体制的问题)
sovietlijie 3 years ago
成王败寇
MIKEYAO21 3 years ago
共产主义及社会主义是注定失败!现在全世界只有五个名字叫共产主义国家的国家.有多少个正在搞资本主义呢?大家心照明白!在共产国家的人民.个个做牛做马.共产党的幹部就大鱼大肉.当年毛泽东的肚子那麽大.中国人民个个都骨瘦如柴. 大家心里就明白了.西方的共产主义和社会主义是不适合中国的!中国共产党应该取消共党专政! 中国才有希望! 人权! 民主! 自由! 平等!
antisocialism 3 years ago
傻逼门
flowingsun2 3 years ago
闹吧,闹吧,如果嫌自己没事可做时!
zhongguojiefangjun 3 years ago
I wish I was in China to document everything. I don't takes sides when I document. I encapsulate all perspectives. I'am dissapointed with all governments in regards to certian issues. For example,look what our fore fathers did to the Native Americans in the U.S. we don't really talk about that anymore. I believe that after all of the environmental disasters and wars, human civilization will be one step closer as a whole to peace and taking care of the earth.
Menomineebuzz 3 years ago
hahahahaha
chinks are strange creature.
chinks sometimes kill each other.
and brainwashed chinks didn`t even know this
massacre.lolololololol
moped1378 3 years ago
西方人的东西,为什么画面上没有被打死,受伤的解放军的图像?西方人除了傲慢与偏见什么都没,若是一个西方政府面对这样的情况,他们会干什么?看到它,我的信仰依然没变,我依然信仰共产主义,依然相信"自由,平等,博爱",西方人没资格评论中国的事,先想想他们自己在中国犯下的罪行吧!西方人的东西,呵呵,执政的共产党必定是凶残的。政府确实讳莫如深,但至少我们的历史书上写了这一段历史,我们上课也可以自由评论这一段历史,可没什么警察来抓我们!搞笑!
sovietlijie 3 years ago
"若是一个西方政府面对这样的情况, 他们会干什么?"
認命, 然後下台.
sgfhk321 3 years ago
不一定 想想巴黎公社是怎么被镇压下去的,不是简单的推翻一个政党的政府,我的意思是如果有人要推翻资本主义制度。06年的巴黎骚乱(这显然还不是要推翻一个制度),58年的五月风暴还有新左派,西方国家是如何处理的?
sovietlijie 3 years ago
世界上永远没有超阶级的民主~
民主永远是属于统治阶级的!
而中国的统治阶级正是代表中国最广大人民根本利益的中国共产党!
~~~~Long Live Chinese Communist Party ~~~~~
cuichao14 3 years ago
不认识历史的毛奴太多了,党的洗脑文化真是举世无双,盼愚民们有天能醒来.
exccp 3 years ago
泯滅人性的共產黨, 黨員必遭天誅
chinawanker 3 years ago
1900年6月17日八国联军进入中国
由于西方传教士、教民与一般民众的冲突、帝后党争等等的因素所引起的义和团运动,导致部分中国民众袭击在华 的外国人。而清政府面对列强要求剿灭义和团的态度又暧昧不明,因此几个列强国家决定由自己出兵镇压义和团。 不过一般认为这些列强国家出兵中国的动机并不单纯,
《表面上是维护本国在华人士的权益,实际上是趁机进一步剥削、掠夺中国的权益。》
八国联军军事行动,以清政府与总共十一个国家签订辛丑条约为终,其中规定清政府赔款白银《4亿5千万两》( 四亿五千万即当时中国总人口,以示每人一两,达羞辱中国人之意),分三十九年付清,被称为庚子赔款。联军占领北京后,对北京皇城、衙门、官府大肆掠夺,因而造成大量中国文物和文化遗产(包括故宫,颐和园,西 山以及圆明园)的失窃、破坏。
难道你们都忘记了吗? 前有八国联军, 后有伊拉克。 西方人以正义与真理之名入侵, 掳掠。。难道大家都眼辖了吗? 如果六四成功了今天的中国会是什么样? 你们奢望西方侵略者带给你们自由与民主?
emptyna 3 years ago
我真庆幸这次事件没把中共搞下台!
中国的国情不适合搞资产阶级自由化!
看看80年代那些搞资产阶级自由化的东欧小国家~~~不是分裂就是内战!看看今天的中国吧!!!
伟大的中国共产党!我们永远跟随您!!!!!!!
cuichao14 3 years ago
people just want to see one side words. many students have right thinking, but wrong action. and the most inprotant thing is a lot Cities had ready out of control. killing, robs frie. everyone's look beijing how to stop it. who made them no choice, those students leaders gone to US, show their drity job to Chinese, we need to work on our human rights, but we have on hope to those 1989 students.
Welcomemars 3 years ago
清白
sisisze2007 3 years ago
history 總會還佢地清明
我相信總有一天
sisisze2007 3 years ago
Most Chinese see it tragedy, anarchy, riots, CIA suckers, traitors.
Most nonChinese see it freedom fighters and chance to make money.
Chinese knew they would get better by making improvement in peace and construction instead of by violence and destruction.
NonChinese knew they can make huge money by selling weapons if they could push Chinese into two sides staging civil war
Christian freak hate communist china the most, How could they bear any good in china?
mia2099 4 years ago
中国的道路是曲折的,也许这些事件能帮助中国人卸下些历史的包袱。改革开放30年来,我们有底气了,相信离理想越来越近。
snowy0216 4 years ago
我开始对我的信仰产生怀疑.........我不明白为何这么多年过去了,中共不仅对此只字不提,而且还封锁舆论,在大陆,你看不到任何关于这方面的报道。 而更重要得是,我今年从农村考到了北京,那天我去天安门的时候,我没有一丁点的压抑的感受 也许这些年中国进步很大,让你不管再哪都有一种朝气蓬勃的感觉,但我担心的还是民众的麻木!
175332420 4 years ago 2
谁说看不到?在我的课本里就有:《中国近现代史纲要》(高等教育出版社,最新版),呵呵,中央政治局审核通过的,自己看去
sovietlijie 3 years ago
然而今年暑假当我在youtube上看到这些视频的时候,我还是被震撼了。那都是一个个鲜活的生命啊,血肉之躯如何抵挡钢枪铁轮呀!!!!!
175332420 4 years ago
然而今年暑假当我在youtube上看到这些视频的时候,我还是被震撼了。那都是一个个鲜活的生命啊,血肉之躯如何抵挡钢枪铁轮呀!!!!! 我开始对我的信仰产生怀疑.........我不明白为何这么多年过去了,中共不仅对此只字不提,而且还封锁舆论,再大陆,你看不到任何关于这方面的报道。
175332420 4 years ago
并没有只字不提。教科书上也没有强调反革命(说了,但只是提提而已,1989年春夏发生的政治风波,是极少数敌对势力利用党在工作中的失误,利用人民群众对腐败现象的不满,掀起的一场有计划,有组织,有预谋的政治动乱。课本上是这样写的,到底是什么定性,大家自己看),只是政治风波。
sovietlijie 3 years ago
当我还是个孩子的时候就从父母那里听过这件事,但对于我这个从小戴着红领巾,唱着《少先队歌》,看着马恩列斯毛头像长大的80后来说,这一切的一切都没什么.... 因为, ........也许他们的确是出于爱国,是想拯救我们这个可悲的民族。但当他们在天安门前竖起雕像的时候,有没有回头看看身后的"人民英雄纪念碑"
175332420 4 years ago
so sad to look at this
ECHO7788 4 years ago
...
hihiwilliam 4 years ago
不全面了解事实的真相就不要下任何结论
dont make a conclusion before you know it very well
tiggersilly 4 years ago 3
一群垃圾,所谓的民主青年,不过是一群愤青罢了
huning1982 4 years ago
不是愤青,是粪青
sovietlijie 3 years ago
西方国家全力支持的中国青年民主派知识分子, 从他们在北京事件中的表现以及流亡后的表现看,他们绝不是中国政治进步力量的代表者。这些人的民主意识极其淡薄而叛国和反民族情绪强烈,如果北京事件演化成一场成功了的政变,中国的权力由这些青年掌握了的话,不仅是中国的灾难,而且也将是世界灾难的根源.
cuichao14 4 years ago
by the way
the song on the video is really disgusting~
cuichao14 4 years ago
china'army should kill these fucking scums without any worry~haha!
cuichao14 4 years ago
you shouldn't say that......
ECHO7788 4 years ago
you'r scuh a freak
huangjiever 3 years ago
小子哎,你死定了~!Hey boy ,it's time for your death~!
cuichao14 4 years ago