Beethoven - Symphony No. 9 op. 125 - First Movement (Part 1 of 2) Period Instruments

[obtica1]

see the complete version...

youtube.com/watch?v=EmV35VPRT9­s

[mechpebbles]

Mozpiano2, thank you for uploading Norrington's Beethoven. I bought most of his CDs that I could find in the late 80s and early 90s and was terribly grieved when the London Classical Players were disbanded.

[maxsilva11]

Read Taruskin's review of this recording. It will change your life.

[Gerard8033]

pourri



[cscyrille2]

Seems to be nice !

[MiloDC]

Although I most prefer the Hogwood/AAM version (better recorded and more opulent, and also on period instruments), this is a good rendition. Nice when they get the key and (especially) the tempo right.

[fuchion15]

i don't think this is a poor interpretation as much as our ears are not accustomed to listening to the piece played with these instruments. but i have to say, there really is a unique flavor with this particular ensemble. thank you for sharing.

[staimamane]

star wars

[MrSnake4ever1]

Equilibrium

[facelessbel]

Thanks indeed, very good quality.

[soyouthunk]

5:20 The trade off between the bassoon and flutes is amazing!

[MegaDocalex]

Sorry, but it is a very poor interpretation :(

Listen Karajan edition 1963, it is the best of all time.

[mozpiano2]

@MegaDocalex I listened to the 1963 Karajan version once and I personally didn't like it that much to be honest.

[mechpebbles]

@MegaDocalex

Karajan, the best for Beethoven? You must be joking. Karajan's orchestra used the wrong instruments, instruments that did not exist in Beethoven's time. And Karajan used a performance style that had nothing to do with the early 19th century. Listening to Beethoven as played by Karajan is not too far removed from listening to Beethoven played on electric guitars and synthesizers.

[MegaDocalex]

@mechpebbles I was very surprise when I saw you responsed to a comment I post from one year ago. No at the epoch I was not joking. Just recently I discovered Furtwängler and now I prefer him by far than Karajan.

[MegaDocalex]

@mechpebbles And for the wrong instrument, Gustav Mahler explained why the orchestration of the 9th is incomplete. I don't have the text whit me but get a biography of him. I think if a guy could explain this, it is really Mahler. Grosso modo, it was for financial reason Beethoven don't put all the instruments he wanted.

[mechpebbles]

@MegaDocalex

Mahler is a late Romanticist, of course he would say that! If you want to listen to Beethoven through the "corrections" of Mahler, go ahead. For me, I'll listen anytime to Beethoven the way he intended. You should read up on Historically Informed Performance/Practice (HIP).

[MegaDocalex]

@mechpebbles Your point on Mahler is totally wrong, Mahler was one of the best conductor of his time and studied every pieces before to play them. And However I am sur you did not read the text

[mechpebbles]

@MegaDocalex

As far as I'm concerned, any conductor who thinks a composer's work is flawed and needs correction or modification is not just a terrible conductor, he's not even a conductor at all.

[mechpebbles]

@MegaDocalex

The strings of early string instruments (violins, violas, cellos, double basses) are made of gut not the steel and nylon of modern instruments. Woodwinds (oboes, clarinets, flutes) are really made of wood, not the steel of today. Brass instruments use natural harmonics, they don't have valves. Timpani use skin not fabric. The sound is totally different. The tuning is different. The playing style is different. The tempo is different.

[mechpebbles]

@MegaDocalex

The point is Karajan's Beethoven and Furtwangler's Beethoven are simply not Beethoven's Beethoven.

[MegaDocalex]

@mechpebbles I aggre with you Beethoven's beethoven is different than Furtwängler and Karajan. But Beethoven was by far the most subjective compositor ever, because of his sourdity and because TEMPI THAT HE WROTH ON THE PARTITIONS WAS JUST FOR THE EDITOR. Tempi was not important for him, If you don't trust me, make your research

[mechpebbles]

@MegaDocalex

To say Beethoven's tempi are not to be taken seriously is an insult to Beethoven. Roger Norrington's Beethoven CDs, for the first time when they were issued in the 80s, took Beethoven's tempi seriously and the whole world was shocked by how different the symphonies sounded.

[MegaDocalex]

@mechpebbles It is not me who say that IT IS BEETHOVEN HIMSELF!!!!!!!!!

He siad: «Why they tired me with my tempi? If they are good musicians they don't need it to play my music, if they are not, they could not play my music» Furthermore he said:«My tempi are valable only for the frist bars, the important is the emotion» Like I said, if you don't believe me, make your own research.

[mechpebbles]

@MegaDocalex

You like your classical music corrupted by centuries of Romantic and Modernist performance traditions. I like mine played as closely as possible (according to modern musicological research) to the original intents of the composer and what was heard by the original audience. That's why, to me, the original instruments, the size of the orchestra and the performance style are of critical importance.

[MegaDocalex]

@mechpebbles And Beethoven was yes a classical but a romantic too. You are surrely not a musician to talk like this, if the sheet is perfect, only one reccording is necesseray, you understand? They were not god, compositor are human, and they want to do different, a musicologist and a musicain are too VERY different things.

I wish you a good day.

Alexandre D.

[mechpebbles]

@MegaDocalex

You obviously know very little of music, from what you say. Only one recording is necessary?!!! Music sheets perfect?!!! A period instrument orchestra director is very frequently both a musician and a musicologist. Look at how much lost music has been discovered by HIP performers. Look at how much lost performing tradition has been unearthed. Only the modern orchestra conductor is no musicologist. He knows little except his corrupt tradition.

[mechpebbles]

@MegaDocalex

You should go read up on how baroque and classical music should be performed. You are terribly ignorant on this and will have much to learn.

[MegaDocalex]

@mechpebbles Your are so pretantious that you are convinced music should be play in an unique way!!! Who are you? the god of music?? What do you know about music? You don't know what about you talk, in fact I am less ignorant than you, because me I HAVE REAL SOURCE AND ARGUMENTS.

[mechpebbles]

@MegaDocalex

Wow, and here's the guy who tells me not to insult him.

[mechpebbles]

@MegaDocalex

Ignorance coupled with a super-ego is indeed serious... a serious disability. And what's with the English? Go improve on your pidgin English before making another pathetic attempt to post.

[MegaDocalex]

@mechpebbles LOL can you finally tell us what it means for you ignorance! We are all very eager to learn of your great knowledge. Monseigneur the wise old man!

[MegaDocalex]

@MegaDocalex So, more seriously, you don't have any musical education. I did one year at conservatory, not you, you are just an amateur and you talk like it. You don't know what is music... You think you know, But you are only a limited :))))))

[mechpebbles]

@MegaDocalex

Ahh...more words from the semi-literate with unsound semantics and syntax. I would respond if I knew what you meant. Takes too much mental powers to decipher the meaning of your pidgin English. I shall waste no more time trading insults with an immatured, ill-bred, unlearned yet arrogant being.

[MegaDocalex]

@mechpebbles I just read the crap of a loser. Be a man, takes you and recognize your own ignorance

[MegaDocalex]

@mechpebbles And also, do not insult me​over again, I'm serious

[Matteo7419]

@mechpebbles Nobody's Beethoven could be considered Beethoven's Beethoven.

[mechpebbles]

@Matteo7419

It is the combined responsibility of musicians and musicologists to remove the centuries-old accumulated dirt and corruption of Romantic and 20th century performing styles so as to bring today's audiences as close as possible to the way Beethoven's music was performed in the early 19th century. Any refusal to attempt this is little different from playing Beethoven with electric guitars, a synthesizer and an accompanying disco beat.

[Matteo7419]

@mechpebbles As you prefer.

[mechpebbles]

@Matteo7419

I'm sorry but this has nothing to do with personal preference. Why does one claim to like Beethoven but does not make the slightest effort to restore the music to its original form? Can someone claim to be an admirer of Shakespeare who has only read all his works that have been rewritten in modern English? Can someone claim to like traditional Chinese music but has only listened to piano versions of them?

[Chaliamusiclover]

Feliz cumple años Beethoven.

Happy birthday Beethoven.

[mrchapov]

And in this era, composers had no computers to hear what they write. Just this is one thing, that future generations will never know

[PIANOpartner]

Beethoven brings his true self out in this symphony

[VirusofLife182]

In the year 2100, this song will be rated EC-10.

[superart4]

this is a great piece fo music that shouldnt be made fun of especiially when theres song that are about dynamite

[superart4]

this is a great piece fo music that shouldnt be made fun of especiially when theres song that are abotu dynamite

[BunchesBundles77]

I love the way it's conducted here rather than Karajan's.

[MasterMorty]

oh no, they played it in c# minor :( it ruins the mood all together

[mozpiano2]

@MasterMorty The A is tuned to 430 Hz in this recording.

[giligara30492]

@mozpiano2

No wonder. I kept hearing a C-Sharp and I thought to myself, "Wow, they're a half-step off!"

But, now I know. Just one question: why would they tune to 430 Hz? I mean, I know that authentic Baroque music is usually done by tuning the strings of a violin F-Sharp, C-Sharp, Ab and Eb, but this is in the Classical Period (early Romantic, if you want my honest opinion). So does the practice still hold?

In all truthfulness, though, I think this is an amazing recording.

[jarabass11]

@giligara30492 "Authentic" baroque tuning of the violin is G-D-A-E... but in 415 Hz. Do not get confused. Some orchestras play 443, and in that way, it would be different notes, but they aren't. Of course it changes.

For classical normally some period players and orchestras use 430 Hz. The "C-sharp" you're hearing, is probably two high!

It's just a matter of taste, if you like it, then great!

[MasterMorty]

@mozpiano2 wait, if 430 is normal, then I seem to be hearing it in C# minor. (I have perfect pitch, so trust me on this one.)

[JacobRudduck]

@MasterMorty It's period tuning.

[Thinker2112]

@MasterMorty I have absolute pitch, and it used to drive me crazy to listen to period-instrument performances because the pitch was lower. Then I realized that I liked the period performances better than the "standard" ones, and I learned to like the lower pitch.

[MasterMorty]

@Thinker2112 Lol. nice to know that I have a fellow absolute pitch comrade :)

[baiba4]

Beethoven is evidence of God

[af796]

Thank god, allah, jesus, buddha, joseph smith, moses, abraham, adam, and satan for allowing Beethoven to live long enough to write this piece.

[rhonin93]

@af796 you really made me LOL man!

[defe7777]

@af796 u forgot Chuck Norris

[bloopnation]

@af796 movements.

[Huddiethegreat]

How much would a period orchestra differ in size compared to a modern day one?

[EpicGifted]

@Huddiethegreat same size

[DieFatorLiveThin]

@Huddiethegreat I think the numbers would be the same, but the instruments in this case differ. The string players would be using gut instead of steel strings, percussionists would be using skins instead of synthetic heads etc..

[Alexander87oclock]

This is a great piece.

[Mozeroscar]

i really like norrington's conduction

[roydoncrossing]

There is a strange peace when one can listen to music like this without having a video to watch and just get lost in the music-something rarely possible with modern music!

[cspan0004]

@roydoncrossing Transcendent!

[Lievcocijo]

@roydoncrossing there is a lot of modern music that can accomplish this, its just that you have to look really hard to find it