Am I misinterpreting your comment, you are sounding like you'd like to end civilisation. What do you have in mind? Also, generally, it strikes me that we are mostly all pawns... yet that we also have power collectively due to our influence in our closest relationships to change the normal behaviour and improve it.
I did not get it either until recently. It took reading Daniel Quinns book Ishmael to open my eyes to the ideas. So, I recommend to you the book Ishmael.
Also, the goal is not to END civilization; it is to move BEYOND civilization. What is known today as civilization will still be here, but for many people, an increasing number, there are alternative cultures that may bring better quality of life.
"It's always better to say 'I don't know' than fake it and get into hot water." I can relate to that one. While growing up, my parents rarely said "I don't know", and gave me some kind of answer too many of my questions, and I look back now and realize most of it was wrong. I've wondered if they really thought those were the answers or they wanted to give an answer cause saying "I don't know" would make them look dumb. I still don't know.
I do believe that Quinns set of suggested guidelines work fairly neatly into gentle conversation but, also believe there is a a time when certain shit just becomes paramount and demands a certain approach. Meaning, approaches of which are individual, passionate, and delivered with the power and might that are demanded of them. Are they the most effective? Perhaps not. Are they remembered? Perhaps. Will they be remembered enough to be reflected upon if future information provides? I think YES!
I think I see what you're saying. Again, this is just advise. Do desperate times always call for desperate measures? I guess, as some last resort. This revolution is a different type where people need to live it, walk the walk and create the debate. In public view. If someone won't let me grow a garden. I'm going to do it anyway. I'll make a big stink about it. So far, I've been able to live without any such drama. Doing it unscathed has inspirational value too.
at some point, do not all become overcome by the sense of urgency and despair. At some point, things do not fit so neatly into a simple set of nice rules.
ummm..well, I am familiar with both sides of this coin. I am familiar with the work and 'known' actions of all parties stated. Kaczynski did not target just anybody, and was not targeting innocent bystanders. This is merely fact, not endorsement. What he proved is that no matter how sincere your motive, you will be portrayed as a nut, and dismissed in the public arena. Such is true with any significant level of dissent. By your definition though, dave, everyone is a pawn. Is that what you mean
I was fairly certain where you were coming form with that but wanted it posted here for others. Thanks. But, that being said, everyone is a pawn of civilization, top to bottom. Therefore, is there an acceptable target, a point at which we can direct our actions? Although I believe living a lifestyle as far removed and independent of civilization is an example, I also believe it is an easily diminished one and at some point, pawns in some position, whether living or material shall need to fall.
any target that doesn't harm a living being is cool with me.
my aim/goal/focus is to simply abandon said system. i think grocery stores and dollar bills are worse than crack cocaine...more dangerous, because so very few see their danger.
When you remove yourself from the grocery stores and dollar bills, what happens when they force it upon you or with the option of buy our shit, or go to jail? . When it is illegal to grow a home garden, store seeds, grow organically. Then what? I agree with you, I merely state, at some fucking point, Pawns fall. They must. I see no other way around it. Bet you ass pawns on our side will be falling. No one is just handing over the reigns on this one
my picket pin/stake is planted near the gardens i have created...be it in indiana or alabama.
i've spent too much of my life in jail, already. (for being an irresponsible alcoholic) it would kill me to be locked up, again...so i will keep that in mind, if a "situation" ever arises.
There are examples of successful resistance. Jesus overthrew the hierarchical legalism... Ghandi too was successful. Apparently Finland (?) successfully and peacefully resisted the Nazi's invasion. Aspire to be the kind of person who is both peaceful and respected... and able to set boundaries.
Am I misinterpreting your comment, you are sounding like you'd like to end civilisation. What do you have in mind? Also, generally, it strikes me that we are mostly all pawns... yet that we also have power collectively due to our influence in our closest relationships to change the normal behaviour and improve it.
Noz7777 2 years ago
I did not get it either until recently. It took reading Daniel Quinns book Ishmael to open my eyes to the ideas. So, I recommend to you the book Ishmael.
Also, the goal is not to END civilization; it is to move BEYOND civilization. What is known today as civilization will still be here, but for many people, an increasing number, there are alternative cultures that may bring better quality of life.
Rex out..
REXMARX003 2 years ago
"It's always better to say 'I don't know' than fake it and get into hot water." I can relate to that one. While growing up, my parents rarely said "I don't know", and gave me some kind of answer too many of my questions, and I look back now and realize most of it was wrong. I've wondered if they really thought those were the answers or they wanted to give an answer cause saying "I don't know" would make them look dumb. I still don't know.
Chriskct 2 years ago
word
Unstucked 2 years ago
"Don't waste time with people who only want to argue..."
Thanks Adam! Thank you very much!
VedekDrew 2 years ago
I do believe that Quinns set of suggested guidelines work fairly neatly into gentle conversation but, also believe there is a a time when certain shit just becomes paramount and demands a certain approach. Meaning, approaches of which are individual, passionate, and delivered with the power and might that are demanded of them. Are they the most effective? Perhaps not. Are they remembered? Perhaps. Will they be remembered enough to be reflected upon if future information provides? I think YES!
runnygrits 2 years ago
I think I see what you're saying. Again, this is just advise. Do desperate times always call for desperate measures? I guess, as some last resort. This revolution is a different type where people need to live it, walk the walk and create the debate. In public view. If someone won't let me grow a garden. I'm going to do it anyway. I'll make a big stink about it. So far, I've been able to live without any such drama. Doing it unscathed has inspirational value too.
AdamHintz 2 years ago
at some point, do not all become overcome by the sense of urgency and despair. At some point, things do not fit so neatly into a simple set of nice rules.
runnygrits 2 years ago
If this is what you think of when challenged then challenging you might prove to be quite a educational thing to do. Loved it. Cheers.
NLPNVC 2 years ago
Yes, for all parties involved. Proactive communication is something I value highly. Thanks for commenting, always happy to read your thoughts. :)
AdamHintz 2 years ago
i just read that book and I forgot that part, thanks for reminding me about that
Thinkforyourself11 2 years ago
I think it's possible that since it's at the end of the book it gets forgotten because people are in a rush to finish it. Maybe.
AdamHintz 2 years ago
Purposly killing others will kill the resistance.
And we are not out to kill people.
We are out to try and save as many as we can, if we don't, yes billions will die.
mans0nh 2 years ago
Thankyou for this.
I haven't read that one yet but I will put it in my list.
I have problems with people comming up with the crazy ideas of why we should keep destroying the planet.
The most recent. humans came from evolution, we evolved into the creatures we are, and therefore this destruction is natural.
Another:
The dinosaurs destroyed things too and went extinct (this was just stupid, animals consume we don't)
-this is for you said if you ever read this, you have the most crazy ideas of life
mans0nh 2 years ago
I'd love to hear what you think of B.C. when you're finished. Meadowlark, my coffee shop, wouldn't be what it is without B.C.'s influence.
AdamHintz 2 years ago
yes
Decky11 2 years ago
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great piece, adam.
see my new video. :D
fckuvrymch 2 years ago
killing other pawns is not "walking the walk"
would you like to borrow one of Jensen's books?
they're all pretty good.
dnHooligan 2 years ago
ummm..well, I am familiar with both sides of this coin. I am familiar with the work and 'known' actions of all parties stated. Kaczynski did not target just anybody, and was not targeting innocent bystanders. This is merely fact, not endorsement. What he proved is that no matter how sincere your motive, you will be portrayed as a nut, and dismissed in the public arena. Such is true with any significant level of dissent. By your definition though, dave, everyone is a pawn. Is that what you mean
runnygrits 2 years ago
oh, i never said he was a nut. he was doing what he thought was best, in OUR defefnse. (as i understand it)
one thing the media will NEVER say about terrorists is that they are rational human beings, trying to deal with extraordinary circumstances.
i think everyone with an ID# is a pawn...i believe there are a few (custodians) people (?) who do not fit into that category.
dnHooligan 2 years ago
I was fairly certain where you were coming form with that but wanted it posted here for others. Thanks. But, that being said, everyone is a pawn of civilization, top to bottom. Therefore, is there an acceptable target, a point at which we can direct our actions? Although I believe living a lifestyle as far removed and independent of civilization is an example, I also believe it is an easily diminished one and at some point, pawns in some position, whether living or material shall need to fall.
runnygrits 2 years ago
any target that doesn't harm a living being is cool with me.
my aim/goal/focus is to simply abandon said system. i think grocery stores and dollar bills are worse than crack cocaine...more dangerous, because so very few see their danger.
dnHooligan 2 years ago
When you remove yourself from the grocery stores and dollar bills, what happens when they force it upon you or with the option of buy our shit, or go to jail? . When it is illegal to grow a home garden, store seeds, grow organically. Then what? I agree with you, I merely state, at some fucking point, Pawns fall. They must. I see no other way around it. Bet you ass pawns on our side will be falling. No one is just handing over the reigns on this one
runnygrits 2 years ago
this is where it gets tricky.
i will defend myself.
my picket pin/stake is planted near the gardens i have created...be it in indiana or alabama.
i've spent too much of my life in jail, already. (for being an irresponsible alcoholic) it would kill me to be locked up, again...so i will keep that in mind, if a "situation" ever arises.
dnHooligan 2 years ago
There are examples of successful resistance. Jesus overthrew the hierarchical legalism... Ghandi too was successful. Apparently Finland (?) successfully and peacefully resisted the Nazi's invasion. Aspire to be the kind of person who is both peaceful and respected... and able to set boundaries.
Noz7777 2 years ago
Uhhhhh, Kaczynski killed a bunch of bystanders and hapless people... I would say he probably set this whole thing back a bit.
Claybird121 2 years ago
yep, exactly. i think zack needs to say these things for his own sanity though, i imagine his situation to be quite frustrating...
hippiending 2 years ago
I understand from zacks position too.
When someones argument (quoting one i got myself) is simply put:
"Then why don't you kill yourselves, then we can inherit the earth from you nutcases"
I get pretty damn pissed off too.
mans0nh 2 years ago