Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell.........they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped....every women beaten...every person murdered...every deceitful business deal...every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism!!
A general question for anyone: If God ordains all that happens (and I'm not saying he doesn't) is he also the author of sin? (I'm just asking for input). If God sends an illness upon me, should I even resist it and try to fight it since I am resisting the power of God? Again, I'm sincerely asking for helpful comments. Thanks.
@1035heb Thats like me inventing a car.. i created the car but am i the one responsible for the car accidents? No. God gave us the body to live in it and we disobey his law that he gave which reveals that we are sinful creatures. But he isnt the author of sin.
1) God has decreed whatsoever comes to pass in His own creation.
2) God is the "primary", or, "ultimate cause" of all things.
3) God uses "secondary causes" (or, "means") to carry out His decree(s).
4) Only secondary causes (humans; fallen angels) are the authors of sin.
5) Even though God has decreed the extent of sin, He is not "responsible" for sin because "responsibility" is not a word that can ever apply to the Lawgiver (YHWH; the Triune God).
@tallliza lol, nice burn. You are correct, Theos, logos. Very Smart.
I am coming into this argument late, so I am slightly puzzle as to why would someone be watching Sproul on reformed theology if they did not understand the truth of its main premise?
Now, those who study the science of physics, they base everything they know of the main premise of the speed of light, but as it seems, this is no more truth than anything else. So then, why would you put forward your presuppositions here?
@MrOphachew 2 Thessalonians 2:15 is not a valid for the argument you are making. The tradition paul is writing about is the gospel, spoken or written (the case he gives is the actual epistles he has written them). As for the John versus, it seems obvious that speculation is not revelation. Obviously the gospel is not a complete revelation of God's majesty. However, it does not say "go forth and speculate on revelation outside the gospel".
@mgundy --Are you just offering your speculation as revelation? 2 Thess 2:15 is very valid since it acknowledges that there are things that are just as important as what was written. Sola Scriptura cannot even be backed up nor supported by the Bible. No speculation here how about on your part?
@MrOphachew 2 Thessalonians 2:15 is obviously Paul reminding them of what he had told them. What he had told them is outlined in Acts. In Acts Paul goes around to all the churches sharing and instructing on the gospel. Therefore, the oral tradition Paul is talking about is the gospel outlined in Acts. QED.
@mgundy --Are you offering your speculation as revelation? Actually Paul is reiterating 2:15 in 3:6. Why is the Pope and Church councils not above correction yet Luther was? clearly 2 Thess 2:15 is differentiating between tradition of men and holy tradition or oral tradition as revealed in John 20:30 & John 21:25. Obviously Paul is acknowledging that there are or where things that where not written down and that these things are or where just as important as what was or is written down.
@mgundy --"Come on now" Where, when and who said or wrote, have you heard or read. Any modern, contemporary, evangelical fundy declare that Luther(or Calvin or Wesley etc. for that matter) was not above correction?
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ISLAM IS THE ON WAY OF LIFE AND THAT IS TO SUBMIT TO THE 1 GOD AND THE ONE SIMPLE MESSEGE. THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH(GOD) AND THE MOHAMMED IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSESENGER SO WAS , JESUS,DAVID,ABRAHAM,NOAH,SOLMON,JACOB,MOSES ALL OF THE WERE MUSLIMS WITHCH MEANS THEY SUBMITED AND SPREAD THE SAMME EXACT MESSEGE. SOMETHING SO SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE WATS THE MATTER WITH U PEOPLE,. JAMES WHITES IS THE STUPIDIEST MAN ALIVE I SWEAR MAY HE BURN IN HELL AND HE WILL. CAUSE HE KNOWS AND DENIES TRUTH
@Purushadasa, it's a problem for me also. I had burned these videos onto DVD with both RealPlayer Plus and Nero, and was condemning the software for failing me. I'm glad I came back and confirmed the out-of-sync audio track is here on YT. I love RC Sproul's teaching though.
Jesus never attended a training whatever, to us is like that, why even Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth, with the pure food that is given only by God, men are infected by philosophies, ideas, strange doctrines, psychology, misrepresent the truth.
I have two issues with the above video. 1) you write as if TULIP is all of reformed theology in the description, which most reformers would disagree with. 2) The Son took on human nature, which is called the Incarnation. Did Jesus have a depraved nature, a will in bondage? Also, if God damned Christ on the cross, does that mean the trinity has more than one will? Or is Jesus separated from the Son? Answer: Reformed theology is Nestorian
an't What I mean is theology does not belong in classrooms but the altar. If I can't a theologian of Greek gods, why can they be theologians of judeo- christian god.
@DSD1v57BG32 Because the God of the Bible lives and will one day judge all sinners for their works, whether good or bad. And unless one has Christ as their perfect plea, they will be cast into hell.
@DSD1v57BG32 Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Him. Unless your sins be removed and you be found in Him, you are lost.
@DSD1v57BG32 Whether children or anyone that is outwardly physically unable to respond go to hell is something the Bible doesn't explicitly state. But interpolating based on a solid foundation in theology, I would say if anyone goes to heaven, it is only because of Christ's redeeming love. Every child, or even fully grown man that has died and gone to heaven, only went so because of Jesus' redemption.
@DSD1v57BG32 I would echo what was said previously by SalvationEternity777; however there are two questions wrapped up in your stated question. First, I am pretty sure that if a child dies before a certain level of maturity, God by His grace will bring him into His presence (Heaven). The second question would focus on Africa. I presume that you are referring to a "bushman" away from civilization. That I can answer with more authority. The Bible is quite clear in Romans 1:20 for your answer
@JustifiedbyGod Any indigenous people I meant, far from civilization or from the specific religion. There are thousands of thousands of beliefs. Anyways thanks for the verse, I'll look it up.
God's grace is sufficient. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are absolute, so His grace is perfect enough to cover those without faith. Who is adding the water and who is the dried soup? As far as I know reformed doctrine teaches that His grace allows us to even have faith or belief to begin with.
Jesus daid to turn the other cheek and that the peacemakers shall be called the children of God. To believe every word jesus said is to be a pacifist. that is clear. If you support the USA and it's wars then you do not know Jesus. It really is that simple.
The same unchanging Jesus who used Israel to wipe out the godless nations in the Old Testament is the same unchanging Jesus who said to turn the other cheek. To believe that war is entirely fruitless is to disbelieve Romans 8:28 and the total sovereignty of God. He works even through the worst things on the planet. Is war bad? Yes. Is it avoidable? Not until Jesus comes back. Check out the Hebrew word "ratsach", the word "kill" in "Thou shalt not kill". God is EXTREMELY specific by saying that.
Jesus has already saved the elect (or chosen), so if one is of the elect then God will call the one at a certain time in Life to follow him, God will give the one knowledge and understanding so the elect will believe in him.
If we are saved by grace...then all people are saved. If you add faigth,works,or anything else to grace then "grace' is no longer "grace'
We are saved by Gods grace and NOTHING else. it is liberating to know this. I love RC but he doesn't seem to want to let go of a works based salvation (works being "believing")
"works" to me is when you add ANYTHING to our salvation outside of God's grace. Thus if we add "belief" then are we not saying that in order to be saved it takes our belief? So Gods grace is not perfect enough to cover those without faith and thus "grace" is not enough...we must add the "work" of faith.
@SalvationEternity777 Faith is essential to grace. Not faith that is worked up by our own efforts to believe. But faith that is imparted by the Holy Spirit through the hearing of the word. Faith that saves is the gift of God as the evidence of grace being applied to a soul. The faith that we are given is Christ's faith. Abraham was the example of one's faith being the source of blessing upon another. Christ is the reality of that truth.
@SalvationEternity777 There is a faith that is the work of grace, that is the only means of salvation. Romans 3 goes into how it is by the faith of Christ, (not faith in Christ-our work of believing), that justification was achieved. This faithful obedience became the gift of grace to God's elect, who as Peter puts it in 2 Peter 1:1 when addressing those who "have obtained like precious faith".
@SalvationEternity777 There is a faith that man works up within himself that has not one ounce of saving ability in it. But there is a faith that is the gift of God the Father through the Son of God by the work of the Holy Spirit which is the grace that saves. This is why it is difficult to discern true believers from false professors. There are those who are very religous with their man-made faith, and there are those who are walking in grace by the gift of God's saving faith.
@SalvationEternity777 Romans 4 is quite clear on the distinction between what is works and what is grace. Faith is an integral part of, and evidence of grace. Faith unfortunately has fallen into the trap of a fallacy of equivocation through ambiguity. There are those who speak of achieving faith based on some great effort on their part. This kind of faith that many may be thinking of when they think of faith as a work.
@boomac62 all people are'nt saved!of course you want to believe that but its not true the way you understand it. you have'nt been taught rightly.you have had bad teachers&you should've known them by their fruits but you did'nt take that part what Jesus said seriously.dont feel bad though most christians are lost this is why they are'nt seeing that most preachers are scammers.most people are blinded by their mouthpiece pulpit master.they believe that what he/she says as truth&dont seek out truth
@mikelipko Every preacher man says i am reading from the Bible. i am speaking the Truth. but the thing is that they arent. if you twist a little here and skip a little there- are you really teaching truth or being advantageous for perhaps an underlying motive? am i a skeptic? am i synical? or is there Truth to what i say? God does rain on the just &unjust this is by grace but this is not everyone being saved by Christ. we are all sinners & Jesus showed us how evil we are by nature by what we did
@mikelipko by what the Jews did when they did it was Gods way of showing the depths of mankinds disgusting horrific dark ways!&Jesus was the example of what we should be like & the farther in darkness you are -the more you cant hear truth. notice the difference between pharisees&desciples both sinners but pharisees further in darkness than disciples. even Peter had a tough time understanding Jesus,failed bout every opportunity but he wanted too.thats the 2nd step- the 1st step is acknowledgement
@mikelipko 1st step acknowledgement that your putrid/Gods perfect-2nd step turn from your dark ways(repentance)/follow Gods ways-3rd "picking up the cross daily" means just that- sacrifice your life to God daily-Jesus said it -so do it! why wouldnt we have Laws to follow&works to do? Jesus said we need to follow the commandments ! whos greater Paul or Jesus? Jesus gave many commandments but the preachers skip right over this & tell u its all good your saved by grace just believe on Jesus!
@mikelipko what do you think believing in Jesus is ? "oh i believe that Jesus was the messiah/the son of God/ the Savior?"and he came to die for our sins? that is what the preachers have told us -that is not true its fabricated. sometimes its intentional sometimes its ignorance EITHER way its because they are in the dark from God. JESUS IS TRUTH.when you think of truth think of Jesus.every thing he said was Truth. if you truly believe in JESUS than you must believe in everything he said& DO IT!
@mikelipko HEsaid he was not God(matt19:16). He said he came to start a war(matt.10:35). he said we are to not fear man nor death nor Satan or anything but God. He said he came to place judgement to save the lost sheep & to burn up the goats. he said it would all happen in RAPTURE before all the desciples had died off(matt.16:28) these are some truths that are plain as day in the Bible read it yourself talk to God not your lipservice pastor - GOD/TRUTH will set u free
@mikelipko this Holy Bible that once was the JEWS/children of God was given to the Gentiles. however the same situation that happen to the Jews is happened to the people of 2day. the pharisees/sadducees/pastors/ preachers still deceive people because people refused to worshipGod they have to follow a (wo)man.you ever noticed how much emphasis people put on their particuliar denomination?which one's right?they are all different?didnt Jesus say we are to put Gods LAW b4 mans doctrine?seek God
"If we are saved by grace...then all people are saved."
So does that mean the devil and his followers are saved? The bible tells us, the devil believes in God and he shudders.
You can't just sit on your bum and expect the world to pass by without doing anything... that would be boring.
In everything we do we give the glory to God... Faith Alone, Scripture Alone, Grace Alone - to the Glory of God Alone. Sproul is definately not preaching a 'works-based' theology...
I'm sorry. You saying something doesn't make it true. I already showed you how John means JESUS when he says "word." That can't be argued. Please be faithful to the Scriptures. You are not their authority.
Likewise, 2 Peter 1 is directed towards those who reject the 2nd coming. Thus, Peter is validating the "prophecies" about the 2nd coming. Therefore, it is about fore-telling. I'm sorry you missed that.
in John the "word" means Jesus. It doesn't mean the Scriptures. In Hebrews it means God's spiritual action in our life. That's what that term has always meant! Read Isaiah! Read Philo! You need to understand both the Aramaic use of "memra" and the Hellenistic jewish use of "logos" in order to understand that.
You can't put later thoughts (140AD) that the Bible is the "Word of God" and say that's what much earlier writers (60-90AD) meant. That's unfair to the text.
have you ever read ALL of Psalm 119 - IN CONTEXT? You'll see it's in regards to the laws of God. The ordinances of God. Psalm 119:140 doesn't say "your word is very pure." It says "your promises are well tried" - you should get a better translation.
David is here talking about the joy of following God's laws, and how they do not let one down. How does this have anything to do with all of Scripture being perfect? You can't just proof-text your way to doctrine - it must come from exegesis.
You have been the one judging God's word. You have placed requirements on it. Not me. And what is the "plain sense?" Where does the Bible say we are to interpret it in a "plain sense?" It doesn't say that. Therefore, you have no right to assert that's how to interpret it. Especially when that's not what it PLAINLY says. I have done faithful exegesis, I'm sorry this is a foreign concept to you.
I never said that it says we are sanctified by our inner word. We are sanctified by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ. ALL OF SCRIPTURE affirms this point. How can you claim that when John says we're sanctified by God's word that it means the Bible? That would be contradicting Paul.
lol. I never said the church was the mother. I never said the Bible wasn't the final authority. The Bible IS the final authority. But only when understood correctly. That's logic.
I'm sorry. I already said that I believe in calling EVERY and ANY tradition wrong if they're wrong. Based on the Scriptures. How is that Catholic? Please tell me how that's catholic?
How is that NOT semper reformata? Can you please tell me? If I'm willing to call ANY and EVERY tradition wrong - how can you say I'm not protestant? I'm a mainline protestant.
I'm 100% protestant. I believe in semper reformata. Always reforming. Meaning calling the reformers wrong when they're wrong. Calling the church tradition of "plain sense" wrong.
I believe the Bible is the final authority, and the Bible alone. We must understand it truly.
Likewise, I will call ANY tradition of man - catholic, orthodox, or protestant wrong if it's wrong.
That's as protestant and anti-tradition as you can get. Don't know what you're smoking.
Nehemiah can mean something different than Pslam 119. Bc their context clearly point to the fact that they DO IN FACT MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Why do you blind yourself to what the context of scripture directs you towards.
you are not allowed to quote the Bible one verse at a time. One verse by itself doesn't have meaning. It has meaning derived within the context of the author's point - developed in paragraphs.
There is no "spirit" way of life derrived from eslewhere.
We derive it from the spirit's guidance of us - through our reading of the Scriptures.
Also, our reading of the scriptures are not simple - we should be serious about studying the Scriptures for what they are - for what they say. That means reading commentaries.
That means listening to those who have spent their whole careers studying them. Not lifting ourselves up as authorities when we haven't read them.
that's what I meant to say. Reading them but trusting some magical discernment from the spirit is never advised by the Scriptures. The spirit LEADS us and GUIDES us into truth. This means we have work to do in the process - we have studying to do. The spirit will help us with this study - but it doesn't magically impart wisdom or knowledge. Knowledge is acquired through study.
No. I'm stating logic. PEOPLE WHO STUDY. They are not given this knowledge by god. They don't possess this knowledge. They are not different from others in spiritual sense. They HAVE STUDIED.
Yea - I'm sorry that you don't like that other people can be your authority about what the Bible says. That's logic. If youhaven't studied it - you aren't an authority on it. It's not elitist, it's common sense.
I don't reject that the written Scripture can be "The Word of God" in the sense that they are "The communication of God." However, IN SCRIPTURE, when the terms "memra" and "logos" are used in God's possession, they do not speak of written Scripture.
We grow as Christians by reading and interacting with the Scriptures. We trust that God works through and speaks through those Scriptures - no matter how imperfect. We trust that God is perfect.
sorry, let me do faithful exegesis of this for you, since you failed to do so.
Matthew 5 - is in context to Jesus' amendments to the law. He affirms that in his coming he's not destroying God's law (rules, laws, instruction), and therefore one still needs to be righteous (5:20) because the laws of God (rules) will be in affect until he returns.
Luke 16: God is doing something new in fulfillment of the law - but it's still in affect. No divorce. Please read faithfully. It's rules.
Where does the Bible say that anyone can read and understand a "plain sense?" Where does it say that? Please - back that up with Scripture. What a shame it is when people can throw ideas out there from their own heads.
I will bring on GOD's way of life without the plain sense. Thank you.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL BELIEVERS. I mean - i know you think it does. But it doesn't. How do I know that? BC ALL BELIEVERS COULDN'T READ AT THAT TIME! It means the teachers and scribes and priests.
We read the Scriptures trusting that God is present to us and speaks to us and works with us through our reading of the Scriptures, through our interaction with the Scriptures, and through the words of Scripture.
Just like God is present with us and speaks to us, gives us grace when we are baptized, when we participate in the community of faith, when we partake of the cup and bread, and when we do the work of the spirit in taking care of the poor, the orphan, the widow.
Yes, but does God give it spiritually? Or physically? God gives WISDOM to all. Wisdom is not "interprative ability." Wisdom is what makes one "wise."
A "wise" man, that is, a man with "wisdom" (from God) would talk to one who is learned so that they may find out what the Bible means in a tough passage.
Seems like you keep avoiding what Scripture really says.
Do you NOT believe that God's grace is present to us in fellowship with the community of faith? This is an ANGLICAN (protestant) view.
Do you NOT believe that God's grace in his spirit's presence is the source of sanctification? This is a CHRISTIAN (Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant) view.
God therefore gives knowledge through channels of knowledge. Just like if any man didn't know something which you are trained and knowledgeable in.... If he were wise, he'd come ask you about it.
That's common sense. That's how wisdom works. Not sure what you want it to mean...
tell me, does "the word of Christ" mean all of scripture?
over and over and over again here you make assumption after assumption which are not backed up by the text. You impose meaning on the Bible over and over again...
and then you claim that somehow *I* have the agenda for trying to uphold God's word for what it is!? No sir. I do not have any agenda other than to speak TRUTHFULLY about the Bible. For that is how we have our faith, from the Bible. Only TRUTH about it can lead to faith in it
Joel 2:32/Acts 2:21/Romans 10:13 "WHOSOEVER" shall call upon the name of the Lord,shall be SAVED. This doesn't required much education to understand,but it seems much education is needed to twist it.God bless.
The problem with the doctrine of total depravity is that this pernicious idea quickly equates in the believer's mind that he/she is worthless...worthless in all ways. It produces a psychological twisting of mind, causing despair, cynicism, and a sense of a detached God. This one doctrine has so infected Protestantism that is may be as responsible for the "great angry God" as Roman Catholicism. The love of God is nowhere to be found. It's the main weakness of Calvinism.
"The love of God is nowhere to be found. It's the main weakness of Calvinism."
My friend, before I existed I had no life. I did nothing to "earn" or merit my own existence. It was not my parents who provided me with life, nor was it the vicissitudes of fate. It was God who granted me existence. Not because of something I did. Not because I am just "so wonderful", but He did this in spite of me. In spite of the fact that He would have to redeem me. How is this not love?
but God is angry! God is furious with are sin, and we need to despair and we need to be crushed under the weight of our own sin! only then can we really be saved by God's true love, which is found in our savior Jesus Christ, how could God pour out his wrath on his blameless son yet just wink at our sin like a kindly old grandpa...no no my friend God is angry
But I do believe knowing a doctrine before you preach it is important :)
But I know you mean well, so again I post humbly.
Salvation is expounded in the scriptures. How to recognize salvation, how to attain salvation, why one attains salvation, for who it is done for, and how to know you have salvation, how to distinguish genuine and false salvation.
I'm not watering down preaching, but you can say I am promoting importance in doctrine.
I agree, those who are preaching the Word should be prepared theologicaly ...
What bothers me is the time we waste on issues we will probably never resolve until the end of history - some things are simply too big for our minds. ( Ex. free will, God's foreknowledge, the way He elects people etc.).
As about salvation, we have good hints what it means, from the Bible, but we miss the complete image. I guess it works with different images for different people ...
Ah, but you see, free will, God's foreknowledge, is actually very much related to salvation.
Where you stand on election, will decide where you stand in salvation.
They aren't mutually exclusive. Many people think they are saved because they were baptized in water, or said a prayer one time in their life. Bad theology, doctrine is a major blame for this.
That's true; but since I don't know the whole picture of salvation as God does, I try to be humble (as much as I can !) when I speak about it.
I believe in Jesus Christ, as my Saviour and Lord - to know I'm His child is the most important thing. I could speculate on some details ( and sometimes I do ) but I know my calling is to go with the Gospel to the others. That's where I stand about salvation.
As about bad theology: intent is prior to content - we have the theology chosen by our hearts.
Calvin, Augustine, Paul and Jesus have God getting the job done. That God is sopvereign and accomplishes what he sets out to do. Arminians say God does most of the salvation work but it is not complete without cooperation from the sinner. You worship a God that is weak and cannot work out the salvation of any man without the man's help. That is pathetic. God chooses and man responds. Why can't you comprehend that God is awesome and controls everything.
Sounds like you just argued from philosophy, not Scripture.
You said that if God DOESN"T do it without man's co-operation (that's not what all arminians believe), that means he CAN'T. But, the Arminian never said that.
You believe that a God who CANT save is pathetic. You never said about a God who CHOOSES to operate that way.
We both agree that a God who CANT is pathetic. However, I believe the Arminian God is more powerful than the Calvinist God, he's MORE SOVEREIGN.
Well, I said your thinking is pathetic concerning God's ability to accomplish what he wants. Yeah, Arminians think that Christ hung on the cross and died for merely the opportunity for sinners to be saved if they will only cooperate with God. Calvinists say that Christ on the cross saved who he came to save, no more, no less. On the cross He cried out: It is Finished! It was mission accomplished! You're were either saved by Jesus at the cross or you're never saved.
Again, you're wrong. I've already proven you can't keep up philosophically. Don't fight a battle you can't win. Besides, protestants are supposed to be "Sola Scriptura" and you've yet to go to a text. lol.
Anyhow, what does "It is finished" mean? Does it mean he had officially saved those whom he came to? Uh.... you won't find that there in the Gospels. Also, it wasn't finished, was it? I mean... none of it was complete without the resurrection... Just ask Paul.
He said "It is finished". It means his work was completed. Paul wrote: "For those whom he (God) foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers". - Romans 8:29. Paul doesn't say: For those God foreknew would believe..." as Arminians would like to have us believe he meant. Paul was clear what he meant. Chosen by the Father, Saved by the Son. Father & Son chose and saved.
Right.... those whom God foreknew. How does God foreknow someone, other than through relationship? Love to know your answer to that. AND DO NOT USE JAMES WHITE'S answer. It's pathetic.
But again, you failed to answer the question. HIS WORK WAS NOT COMPLETED! He had to rise again. Paul says that Jesus' work is INCOMPLETE and in fact, a failure, without the resurrection.
You would have him disagree with this statement. Read your Bible more, not just your "proof-texts."
Jesus said: "It is finished" on the cross. I take that to mean that Jesus' work for our salvation was finished. His resurrection was the work of the Father. Of course, Jesus siad it so your argument may be with him, not me.
God foreknows us before we know him as he chose his people before we were born, yet he saw us throughout eternity. You could learn a lot from James White, RC Sproul, Loraine Boettner, Gordon H Clark.
WOW! Eisegesis anyone? The air is THICK with it right now. Somehow Jeuss saying his task was finished... equals irresistible saving action.
Odd, maybe it is finished becaue he died... and that's what he CAME TO DO (10:45)... and MANY does NOT mean the elect. It means Israel. So don't try that.
Anyhow... stop with the eisegesis. Learn some exegesis. Try dealing with the text for once. Maybe you won't look so silly. For know... YOU LOOK LIKE A MAJOR EISEGETE! congrats.
except that's not what Jesus means when he says "it is finished." That's massive eisegesis. You're not allowed to read theology INTO a text. Nice try.
look dude. I'm not saying your theology is wrong. I'm saying you can't impose it on a text that doesn't have it. You can't say a passage means something simply bc the theology is true. It may not be contained in that text. Unconditional election and limited atonement are not in Matthew's view when he writes those words on Jesus' lips (or when Jesus says them).
no, you don't learn what a text says based upon what other texts say. John does not help us interpret Matthew. Historical-Critical research disproved this myth 200 years ago.
Yes but Paul here never means his letters. He doesn't even mean written scripture. He means the testimony of the disciples and true teaching of God (passed down through teaching, not writing at that time). So again - it appears your forcing meaning on a text which is not there.
John does not help us interpret Matthew. No matter how much we'd like it to. The Bible is the words of men through which God speaks to us. Not something from the mouth of God himself.
No - Christianity called the idea that one needs to be "spiritual" in order to "understand spiritual things" a heresy a long time ago. It's called Gnosticism. You should look into that!
Yes God breathed life into the Scripture... just like he did to Adam. Didn't make Adam perfect, why do we assume it made the Scriptures perfect? Such unthinking.
then it has nothing to do with "being spiritual" or not. But that's what you said. I have my gnosticism straight - you should watch your wording more closely if that's not what you meant.
my point is that your wording was that you have to be "spiritual" in order to understand "spiritual things."
You asked if I wasn't "spiritual" and that's why i didn't understand "spiritual things." That's gnosticism. Plain and simple. If you didn't mean that - you should have worded it differently.
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Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell.........they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped....every women beaten...every person murdered...every deceitful business deal...every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism!!
willpower242 1 week ago
A general question for anyone: If God ordains all that happens (and I'm not saying he doesn't) is he also the author of sin? (I'm just asking for input). If God sends an illness upon me, should I even resist it and try to fight it since I am resisting the power of God? Again, I'm sincerely asking for helpful comments. Thanks.
1035heb 2 months ago
@1035heb - “I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I the Lord do all these things.” (Isaiah 45:7)
EvertonFooty 2 months ago
@1035heb Thats like me inventing a car.. i created the car but am i the one responsible for the car accidents? No. God gave us the body to live in it and we disobey his law that he gave which reveals that we are sinful creatures. But he isnt the author of sin.
38sanzhura 1 month ago
@1035heb Good questions!
1) God has decreed whatsoever comes to pass in His own creation.
2) God is the "primary", or, "ultimate cause" of all things.
3) God uses "secondary causes" (or, "means") to carry out His decree(s).
4) Only secondary causes (humans; fallen angels) are the authors of sin.
5) Even though God has decreed the extent of sin, He is not "responsible" for sin because "responsibility" is not a word that can ever apply to the Lawgiver (YHWH; the Triune God).
R1K2G3 1 day ago
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The bible says alot of things!
Zobaire90 5 months ago
Good sir and thanks.
Fellow servant
David Naw
nawdavid 7 months ago
Theology, the art of word-smithing, to put a reasonable cloak on otherwise impossible propositions.
tallliza 8 months ago
@tallliza THEOLOGY: The study of God (THEO=God, OLOGY=study of)
ma101661 8 months ago
@ma101661 How can you study what most probably doesn,t exist !! Your explanation is wrong. THEOS =God Logos= the word.
tallliza 8 months ago
@tallliza lol, nice burn. You are correct, Theos, logos. Very Smart.
I am coming into this argument late, so I am slightly puzzle as to why would someone be watching Sproul on reformed theology if they did not understand the truth of its main premise?
Now, those who study the science of physics, they base everything they know of the main premise of the speed of light, but as it seems, this is no more truth than anything else. So then, why would you put forward your presuppositions here?
KiwiChristian 3 months ago
According to wikipedia reformed theology is calvinism. Why was Luther above correction but the pope and church wasn't?
Sola Scriptura? read John 20:30. John 21:25, 1 Corinth 11:2, 2 Thess 2:15
MrOphachew 11 months ago
@MrOphachew 2 Thessalonians 2:15 is not a valid for the argument you are making. The tradition paul is writing about is the gospel, spoken or written (the case he gives is the actual epistles he has written them). As for the John versus, it seems obvious that speculation is not revelation. Obviously the gospel is not a complete revelation of God's majesty. However, it does not say "go forth and speculate on revelation outside the gospel".
mgundy 9 months ago
@mgundy --Are you just offering your speculation as revelation? 2 Thess 2:15 is very valid since it acknowledges that there are things that are just as important as what was written. Sola Scriptura cannot even be backed up nor supported by the Bible. No speculation here how about on your part?
MrOphachew 9 months ago
@MrOphachew 2 Thessalonians 2:15 is obviously Paul reminding them of what he had told them. What he had told them is outlined in Acts. In Acts Paul goes around to all the churches sharing and instructing on the gospel. Therefore, the oral tradition Paul is talking about is the gospel outlined in Acts. QED.
mgundy 9 months ago
@mgundy --Are you offering your speculation as revelation? Actually Paul is reiterating 2:15 in 3:6. Why is the Pope and Church councils not above correction yet Luther was? clearly 2 Thess 2:15 is differentiating between tradition of men and holy tradition or oral tradition as revealed in John 20:30 & John 21:25. Obviously Paul is acknowledging that there are or where things that where not written down and that these things are or where just as important as what was or is written down.
MrOphachew 9 months ago
@MrOphachew Where do you read that Luther was above correction? Come on, now you're just putting out falsehoods.
mgundy 9 months ago
@mgundy --"Come on now" Where, when and who said or wrote, have you heard or read. Any modern, contemporary, evangelical fundy declare that Luther(or Calvin or Wesley etc. for that matter) was not above correction?
MrOphachew 9 months ago
According to wikipedia reformed theology is calvinism.
MrOphachew 11 months ago
Heretic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
galatians22122 1 year ago
Banyak orang yang gak ngerti tentang Theologia Reformed, saya pun belum begitu mengerti tapi melalui video ini saya mendapatkan beberapa butir pemahaman yang baru bagi saya, dan saya harap ada juga dari teman-temanku yang berminat untuk menyimaknya!!
MegaPhasa 1 year ago
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ISLAM IS THE ON WAY OF LIFE AND THAT IS TO SUBMIT TO THE 1 GOD AND THE ONE SIMPLE MESSEGE. THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH(GOD) AND THE MOHAMMED IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSESENGER SO WAS , JESUS,DAVID,ABRAHAM,NOAH,SOLMON,JACOB,MOSES ALL OF THE WERE MUSLIMS WITHCH MEANS THEY SUBMITED AND SPREAD THE SAMME EXACT MESSEGE. SOMETHING SO SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE WATS THE MATTER WITH U PEOPLE,. JAMES WHITES IS THE STUPIDIEST MAN ALIVE I SWEAR MAY HE BURN IN HELL AND HE WILL. CAUSE HE KNOWS AND DENIES TRUTH
tarek2102 1 year ago
@tarek2102 I hate trolls
denko44 1 year ago
@denko44 Don't Hate!
soulmage11 1 year ago
@tarek2102 dude can you please turn the caps off my ears hurt...
jofandkerstin 1 year ago
I love RC Sproul, but I can't watch this video because the video isn't in synch with the video.
Thanks for uploading, though, and God bless you!
Purushadasa 1 year ago
@Purushadasa, it's a problem for me also. I had burned these videos onto DVD with both RealPlayer Plus and Nero, and was condemning the software for failing me. I'm glad I came back and confirmed the out-of-sync audio track is here on YT. I love RC Sproul's teaching though.
247candice 1 year ago
Jesus never attended a training whatever, to us is like that, why even Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth, with the pure food that is given only by God, men are infected by philosophies, ideas, strange doctrines, psychology, misrepresent the truth.
BeatrizEyes 1 year ago
I have two issues with the above video. 1) you write as if TULIP is all of reformed theology in the description, which most reformers would disagree with. 2) The Son took on human nature, which is called the Incarnation. Did Jesus have a depraved nature, a will in bondage? Also, if God damned Christ on the cross, does that mean the trinity has more than one will? Or is Jesus separated from the Son? Answer: Reformed theology is Nestorian
Castleman711 1 year ago
I want to be a theologian, but of greek gods.
DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
@DSD1v57BG32 verry strange
SalvationEternity777 1 year ago
@SalvationEternity777
an't What I mean is theology does not belong in classrooms but the altar. If I can't a theologian of Greek gods, why can they be theologians of judeo- christian god.
DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
@DSD1v57BG32 Because the God of the Bible lives and will one day judge all sinners for their works, whether good or bad. And unless one has Christ as their perfect plea, they will be cast into hell.
SalvationEternity777 1 year ago
@SalvationEternity777 What if you never heard of jesus? do you get into heaven?
DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
@DSD1v57BG32 Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Him. Unless your sins be removed and you be found in Him, you are lost.
SalvationEternity777 1 year ago
@SalvationEternity777
What if your a child in Africa starving to death, and never heard of Christianity, would they still go to hell?
DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
@DSD1v57BG32 Whether children or anyone that is outwardly physically unable to respond go to hell is something the Bible doesn't explicitly state. But interpolating based on a solid foundation in theology, I would say if anyone goes to heaven, it is only because of Christ's redeeming love. Every child, or even fully grown man that has died and gone to heaven, only went so because of Jesus' redemption.
SalvationEternity777 1 year ago
@SalvationEternity777
Thanks on answering my question.
Now I know.
DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
@DSD1v57BG32 I hope it helps, look to Jesus.
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SalvationEternity777 1 year ago
@DSD1v57BG32 I would echo what was said previously by SalvationEternity777; however there are two questions wrapped up in your stated question. First, I am pretty sure that if a child dies before a certain level of maturity, God by His grace will bring him into His presence (Heaven). The second question would focus on Africa. I presume that you are referring to a "bushman" away from civilization. That I can answer with more authority. The Bible is quite clear in Romans 1:20 for your answer
JustifiedbyGod 1 year ago
@JustifiedbyGod Any indigenous people I meant, far from civilization or from the specific religion. There are thousands of thousands of beliefs. Anyways thanks for the verse, I'll look it up.
DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
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God's grace is sufficient. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are absolute, so His grace is perfect enough to cover those without faith. Who is adding the water and who is the dried soup? As far as I know reformed doctrine teaches that His grace allows us to even have faith or belief to begin with.
WhiteWarrior22 1 year ago
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WhiteWarrior22 1 year ago
Jesus daid to turn the other cheek and that the peacemakers shall be called the children of God. To believe every word jesus said is to be a pacifist. that is clear. If you support the USA and it's wars then you do not know Jesus. It really is that simple.
boomac62 2 years ago
The same unchanging Jesus who used Israel to wipe out the godless nations in the Old Testament is the same unchanging Jesus who said to turn the other cheek. To believe that war is entirely fruitless is to disbelieve Romans 8:28 and the total sovereignty of God. He works even through the worst things on the planet. Is war bad? Yes. Is it avoidable? Not until Jesus comes back. Check out the Hebrew word "ratsach", the word "kill" in "Thou shalt not kill". God is EXTREMELY specific by saying that.
Virikel 2 years ago
Jesus has already saved the elect (or chosen), so if one is of the elect then God will call the one at a certain time in Life to follow him, God will give the one knowledge and understanding so the elect will believe in him.
MarcEstevan 2 years ago
@MarcEstevan no no no God keeps listenning for children/lambs to gather up.
mikelipko 2 years ago
If we are saved by grace...then all people are saved. If you add faigth,works,or anything else to grace then "grace' is no longer "grace'
We are saved by Gods grace and NOTHING else. it is liberating to know this. I love RC but he doesn't seem to want to let go of a works based salvation (works being "believing")
boomac62 2 years ago
How does he adhere to a works based salvation? Please explain
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago
"works" to me is when you add ANYTHING to our salvation outside of God's grace. Thus if we add "belief" then are we not saying that in order to be saved it takes our belief? So Gods grace is not perfect enough to cover those without faith and thus "grace" is not enough...we must add the "work" of faith.
boomac62 2 years ago
So believing in Jesus Christ does not save a sinner?
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago
Well, I think jesus saved us on the cross. He is not waiting for us to do anything, as He said..."it is finished"
boomac62 2 years ago
Don't you need to believe in order to be saved or something?
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago
well, thats a good question. is Jesus's death enough...or must fiath be added. Like adding water to dried soup.
boomac62 2 years ago
@SalvationEternity777 Faith is essential to grace. Not faith that is worked up by our own efforts to believe. But faith that is imparted by the Holy Spirit through the hearing of the word. Faith that saves is the gift of God as the evidence of grace being applied to a soul. The faith that we are given is Christ's faith. Abraham was the example of one's faith being the source of blessing upon another. Christ is the reality of that truth.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
@SalvationEternity777 There is a faith that is the work of grace, that is the only means of salvation. Romans 3 goes into how it is by the faith of Christ, (not faith in Christ-our work of believing), that justification was achieved. This faithful obedience became the gift of grace to God's elect, who as Peter puts it in 2 Peter 1:1 when addressing those who "have obtained like precious faith".
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
@SalvationEternity777 There is a faith that man works up within himself that has not one ounce of saving ability in it. But there is a faith that is the gift of God the Father through the Son of God by the work of the Holy Spirit which is the grace that saves. This is why it is difficult to discern true believers from false professors. There are those who are very religous with their man-made faith, and there are those who are walking in grace by the gift of God's saving faith.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
@HermitintheRain yes
SalvationEternity777 1 year ago
@SalvationEternity777 Romans 4 is quite clear on the distinction between what is works and what is grace. Faith is an integral part of, and evidence of grace. Faith unfortunately has fallen into the trap of a fallacy of equivocation through ambiguity. There are those who speak of achieving faith based on some great effort on their part. This kind of faith that many may be thinking of when they think of faith as a work.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
@boomac62 all people are'nt saved!of course you want to believe that but its not true the way you understand it. you have'nt been taught rightly.you have had bad teachers&you should've known them by their fruits but you did'nt take that part what Jesus said seriously.dont feel bad though most christians are lost this is why they are'nt seeing that most preachers are scammers.most people are blinded by their mouthpiece pulpit master.they believe that what he/she says as truth&dont seek out truth
mikelipko 2 years ago
@mikelipko Every preacher man says i am reading from the Bible. i am speaking the Truth. but the thing is that they arent. if you twist a little here and skip a little there- are you really teaching truth or being advantageous for perhaps an underlying motive? am i a skeptic? am i synical? or is there Truth to what i say? God does rain on the just &unjust this is by grace but this is not everyone being saved by Christ. we are all sinners & Jesus showed us how evil we are by nature by what we did
mikelipko 2 years ago
@mikelipko by what the Jews did when they did it was Gods way of showing the depths of mankinds disgusting horrific dark ways!&Jesus was the example of what we should be like & the farther in darkness you are -the more you cant hear truth. notice the difference between pharisees&desciples both sinners but pharisees further in darkness than disciples. even Peter had a tough time understanding Jesus,failed bout every opportunity but he wanted too.thats the 2nd step- the 1st step is acknowledgement
mikelipko 2 years ago
@mikelipko 1st step acknowledgement that your putrid/Gods perfect-2nd step turn from your dark ways(repentance)/follow Gods ways-3rd "picking up the cross daily" means just that- sacrifice your life to God daily-Jesus said it -so do it! why wouldnt we have Laws to follow&works to do? Jesus said we need to follow the commandments ! whos greater Paul or Jesus? Jesus gave many commandments but the preachers skip right over this & tell u its all good your saved by grace just believe on Jesus!
mikelipko 2 years ago
@mikelipko what do you think believing in Jesus is ? "oh i believe that Jesus was the messiah/the son of God/ the Savior?"and he came to die for our sins? that is what the preachers have told us -that is not true its fabricated. sometimes its intentional sometimes its ignorance EITHER way its because they are in the dark from God. JESUS IS TRUTH.when you think of truth think of Jesus.every thing he said was Truth. if you truly believe in JESUS than you must believe in everything he said& DO IT!
mikelipko 2 years ago
@mikelipko HEsaid he was not God(matt19:16). He said he came to start a war(matt.10:35). he said we are to not fear man nor death nor Satan or anything but God. He said he came to place judgement to save the lost sheep & to burn up the goats. he said it would all happen in RAPTURE before all the desciples had died off(matt.16:28) these are some truths that are plain as day in the Bible read it yourself talk to God not your lipservice pastor - GOD/TRUTH will set u free
mikelipko 2 years ago
@mikelipko this Holy Bible that once was the JEWS/children of God was given to the Gentiles. however the same situation that happen to the Jews is happened to the people of 2day. the pharisees/sadducees/pastors/ preachers still deceive people because people refused to worshipGod they have to follow a (wo)man.you ever noticed how much emphasis people put on their particuliar denomination?which one's right?they are all different?didnt Jesus say we are to put Gods LAW b4 mans doctrine?seek God
mikelipko 2 years ago
@boomac62
"If we are saved by grace...then all people are saved."
So does that mean the devil and his followers are saved? The bible tells us, the devil believes in God and he shudders.
You can't just sit on your bum and expect the world to pass by without doing anything... that would be boring.
In everything we do we give the glory to God... Faith Alone, Scripture Alone, Grace Alone - to the Glory of God Alone. Sproul is definately not preaching a 'works-based' theology...
ingridrbar 1 year ago
Very helpful.. thank mr Sproul
rodo39 2 years ago
One man's theology is another man's belly laugh! - Robert Heinlein
miles101457 2 years ago
No slandering please. If you do't build the evidence, you won't get a platform to speak here.
You have been warned.
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago
Watch Bob Lazar parts 1-6 MUST SEE!!!! Pay attention to all of the details.
UnbreakableMan1988 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
first of all here - "word" doesn't mean scripture. Let's see what John says the Father's "word" is.
John 1 - The "word" is Jesus.
John 14 - Jesus is "truth"
John 17 - The "Word" is "truth" - why? The "Word" is "Jesus" and "Jesus is Truth".
It does not mean Scripture. A fallible God and a "word" who is "truth" can sanctify through fallible Scriptures - yes.
Your problem is that you keep wanting to interpret "word of god" in the Bible as "Scripture" when it never means that.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
I'm sorry. You saying something doesn't make it true. I already showed you how John means JESUS when he says "word." That can't be argued. Please be faithful to the Scriptures. You are not their authority.
Likewise, 2 Peter 1 is directed towards those who reject the 2nd coming. Thus, Peter is validating the "prophecies" about the 2nd coming. Therefore, it is about fore-telling. I'm sorry you missed that.
Arminian100 2 years ago
you have to practice faithful exegesis. Stop just throwing out proof-texts. It isn't working and you're defaming God's Scriptures in the process.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
in John the "word" means Jesus. It doesn't mean the Scriptures. In Hebrews it means God's spiritual action in our life. That's what that term has always meant! Read Isaiah! Read Philo! You need to understand both the Aramaic use of "memra" and the Hellenistic jewish use of "logos" in order to understand that.
You can't put later thoughts (140AD) that the Bible is the "Word of God" and say that's what much earlier writers (60-90AD) meant. That's unfair to the text.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
have you ever read ALL of Psalm 119 - IN CONTEXT? You'll see it's in regards to the laws of God. The ordinances of God. Psalm 119:140 doesn't say "your word is very pure." It says "your promises are well tried" - you should get a better translation.
David is here talking about the joy of following God's laws, and how they do not let one down. How does this have anything to do with all of Scripture being perfect? You can't just proof-text your way to doctrine - it must come from exegesis.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
You have been the one judging God's word. You have placed requirements on it. Not me. And what is the "plain sense?" Where does the Bible say we are to interpret it in a "plain sense?" It doesn't say that. Therefore, you have no right to assert that's how to interpret it. Especially when that's not what it PLAINLY says. I have done faithful exegesis, I'm sorry this is a foreign concept to you.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
I never said that it says we are sanctified by our inner word. We are sanctified by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ. ALL OF SCRIPTURE affirms this point. How can you claim that when John says we're sanctified by God's word that it means the Bible? That would be contradicting Paul.
Arminian100 2 years ago
ok how are we sanctified by the holy spirit? get more specific? how?
stonerolledaway 2 years ago
by the Spirit's work in our lives. The Spirit sanctifies us.
Through the means of Grace we are sanctified.
The Spirit sanctifies us through the following:
Baptism
Eucharist
Fellowship
Scripture Reading
Acts of Mercy
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
I'm not catholic. I'm protestant.
lol. I never said the church was the mother. I never said the Bible wasn't the final authority. The Bible IS the final authority. But only when understood correctly. That's logic.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
I'm sorry. I already said that I believe in calling EVERY and ANY tradition wrong if they're wrong. Based on the Scriptures. How is that Catholic? Please tell me how that's catholic?
How is that NOT semper reformata? Can you please tell me? If I'm willing to call ANY and EVERY tradition wrong - how can you say I'm not protestant? I'm a mainline protestant.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
I'm 100% protestant. I believe in semper reformata. Always reforming. Meaning calling the reformers wrong when they're wrong. Calling the church tradition of "plain sense" wrong.
I believe the Bible is the final authority, and the Bible alone. We must understand it truly.
Likewise, I will call ANY tradition of man - catholic, orthodox, or protestant wrong if it's wrong.
That's as protestant and anti-tradition as you can get. Don't know what you're smoking.
Arminian100 2 years ago
ok its not the bible, then what?
stonerolledaway 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
Nehemiah can mean something different than Pslam 119. Bc their context clearly point to the fact that they DO IN FACT MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Why do you blind yourself to what the context of scripture directs you towards.
you are not allowed to quote the Bible one verse at a time. One verse by itself doesn't have meaning. It has meaning derived within the context of the author's point - developed in paragraphs.
Arminian100 2 years ago
There is no "spirit" way of life derrived from eslewhere.
We derive it from the spirit's guidance of us - through our reading of the Scriptures.
Also, our reading of the scriptures are not simple - we should be serious about studying the Scriptures for what they are - for what they say. That means reading commentaries.
That means listening to those who have spent their whole careers studying them. Not lifting ourselves up as authorities when we haven't read them.
Arminian100 2 years ago
*** When we haven't studied them***
that's what I meant to say. Reading them but trusting some magical discernment from the spirit is never advised by the Scriptures. The spirit LEADS us and GUIDES us into truth. This means we have work to do in the process - we have studying to do. The spirit will help us with this study - but it doesn't magically impart wisdom or knowledge. Knowledge is acquired through study.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
No. I'm stating logic. PEOPLE WHO STUDY. They are not given this knowledge by god. They don't possess this knowledge. They are not different from others in spiritual sense. They HAVE STUDIED.
Yea - I'm sorry that you don't like that other people can be your authority about what the Bible says. That's logic. If youhaven't studied it - you aren't an authority on it. It's not elitist, it's common sense.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
I don't reject that the written Scripture can be "The Word of God" in the sense that they are "The communication of God." However, IN SCRIPTURE, when the terms "memra" and "logos" are used in God's possession, they do not speak of written Scripture.
We grow as Christians by reading and interacting with the Scriptures. We trust that God works through and speaks through those Scriptures - no matter how imperfect. We trust that God is perfect.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
sorry, let me do faithful exegesis of this for you, since you failed to do so.
Matthew 5 - is in context to Jesus' amendments to the law. He affirms that in his coming he's not destroying God's law (rules, laws, instruction), and therefore one still needs to be righteous (5:20) because the laws of God (rules) will be in affect until he returns.
Luke 16: God is doing something new in fulfillment of the law - but it's still in affect. No divorce. Please read faithfully. It's rules.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
Where does the Bible say that anyone can read and understand a "plain sense?" Where does it say that? Please - back that up with Scripture. What a shame it is when people can throw ideas out there from their own heads.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
I will bring on GOD's way of life without the plain sense. Thank you.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL BELIEVERS. I mean - i know you think it does. But it doesn't. How do I know that? BC ALL BELIEVERS COULDN'T READ AT THAT TIME! It means the teachers and scribes and priests.
Arminian100 2 years ago
We read the Scriptures trusting that God is present to us and speaks to us and works with us through our reading of the Scriptures, through our interaction with the Scriptures, and through the words of Scripture.
Just like God is present with us and speaks to us, gives us grace when we are baptized, when we participate in the community of faith, when we partake of the cup and bread, and when we do the work of the spirit in taking care of the poor, the orphan, the widow.
Arminian100 2 years ago
We trust that God's torah (his INSTRUCTION within the scriptures) will make wise the simple. That they will transform us.
They do not need to be perfect to do this - since nothing in this world is perfect and yet we find many things trustworthy.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
Yes, but does God give it spiritually? Or physically? God gives WISDOM to all. Wisdom is not "interprative ability." Wisdom is what makes one "wise."
A "wise" man, that is, a man with "wisdom" (from God) would talk to one who is learned so that they may find out what the Bible means in a tough passage.
Seems like you keep avoiding what Scripture really says.
Arminian100 2 years ago
I agree, and so does scripture.
Job 32:6-9, and this can be trusted because Elihu said it and he was not scolded by God at the end of the book of Job.
Main verse is verse 8 which says,
" But there is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty gives him understanding."
palidin07 2 years ago
can you answer me how I'm not protestant? You have avoided that question.
Please answer the following:
Do you NOT believe that God is present to us in the Eucharist? - This is a LUTHERAN (protestant) view.
Do you NOT believe that God's grace is present with us in Baptism? - This is a CALVINIST (protestant) view.
Do you NOT believe that God's grace is present in acts of mercy? This is a WESLEYAN (protestant) view.
Arminian100 2 years ago
Do you NOT believe that God's grace is present to us in fellowship with the community of faith? This is an ANGLICAN (protestant) view.
Do you NOT believe that God's grace in his spirit's presence is the source of sanctification? This is a CHRISTIAN (Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant) view.
Please tell me....
How am I catholic again?
Arminian100 2 years ago
You misunderstand the role of "sola Scriptura" in reformation thought.
Scripture alone (rightly understood) is the only source for Theology and Doctrine.
It does not apply to truth, sanctification, or any other thing you want to apply to it. Only theology and Doctrine. And only rightly understood.
Therefore
I affirm sola Scriptura
I affirm sola Fide
I deny ANY tradition if it's wrong
I affirm Protestant views on sacraments and God's grace/sanctification.
How am I not protestant?
Arminian100 2 years ago
God therefore gives knowledge through channels of knowledge. Just like if any man didn't know something which you are trained and knowledgeable in.... If he were wise, he'd come ask you about it.
That's common sense. That's how wisdom works. Not sure what you want it to mean...
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
tell me, does "the word of Christ" mean all of scripture?
over and over and over again here you make assumption after assumption which are not backed up by the text. You impose meaning on the Bible over and over again...
and then you claim that somehow *I* have the agenda for trying to uphold God's word for what it is!? No sir. I do not have any agenda other than to speak TRUTHFULLY about the Bible. For that is how we have our faith, from the Bible. Only TRUTH about it can lead to faith in it
Arminian100 2 years ago
Joel 2:32/Acts 2:21/Romans 10:13 "WHOSOEVER" shall call upon the name of the Lord,shall be SAVED. This doesn't required much education to understand,but it seems much education is needed to twist it.God bless.
scooter8887 2 years ago
I agree, amen ;)
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openairpreacher 2 years ago
The problem with the doctrine of total depravity is that this pernicious idea quickly equates in the believer's mind that he/she is worthless...worthless in all ways. It produces a psychological twisting of mind, causing despair, cynicism, and a sense of a detached God. This one doctrine has so infected Protestantism that is may be as responsible for the "great angry God" as Roman Catholicism. The love of God is nowhere to be found. It's the main weakness of Calvinism.
bharfarar 2 years ago
Total depravity summed:
"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins" (Eph 2:1)
"The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it? " (Jeremiah 17:9)
"Jesus replied, I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. "
(John 8:34)
I don't see them producing any psychological stranges you described. See, the belief is from scripture, that's all that matters.
God bless.
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago
"The love of God is nowhere to be found. It's the main weakness of Calvinism."
My friend, before I existed I had no life. I did nothing to "earn" or merit my own existence. It was not my parents who provided me with life, nor was it the vicissitudes of fate. It was God who granted me existence. Not because of something I did. Not because I am just "so wonderful", but He did this in spite of me. In spite of the fact that He would have to redeem me. How is this not love?
HeReformedMe 2 years ago
Would you be kind enough to define total depravity for me?
the13thof12 2 years ago
"Jesus replied, I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. "
(John 8:34)
Not a systematic definition, but I hope it helps you. Straight from the Word. :)
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago
I was asking bharfarar. I think his understanding of the doctrine is off, but I wanted to make sure before I accused him of not understanding.
the13thof12 2 years ago
but God is angry! God is furious with are sin, and we need to despair and we need to be crushed under the weight of our own sin! only then can we really be saved by God's true love, which is found in our savior Jesus Christ, how could God pour out his wrath on his blameless son yet just wink at our sin like a kindly old grandpa...no no my friend God is angry
xjamballa74 2 years ago
What can I say?
There is so much passion in these debates ... I wish we would have this passion for the lost world we live in.
It's so sad we play silly games while the world is dying.
dyobodiu 2 years ago
Is theology unimportant for you?
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago
No. There are important things to take care of.
But ... for some parts we don't to have to have endless debates - they just lead to fractions between Christians.
There is no time for these debates. Our calling is to preach the Gospel in the whole world, not to fight for arguable / questionable doctrines.
dyobodiu 2 years ago
How does one preach about salvation if he does not know exactly what salvation is?
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago
So, do you think that's the issue here, between Arminians and Calvinists?
And, by the way, who can tell "exactly" what salvation is?
dyobodiu 2 years ago
Actually, the crux of the issue? No.
But I do believe knowing a doctrine before you preach it is important :)
But I know you mean well, so again I post humbly.
Salvation is expounded in the scriptures. How to recognize salvation, how to attain salvation, why one attains salvation, for who it is done for, and how to know you have salvation, how to distinguish genuine and false salvation.
I'm not watering down preaching, but you can say I am promoting importance in doctrine.
God bless.
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago
I agree, those who are preaching the Word should be prepared theologicaly ...
What bothers me is the time we waste on issues we will probably never resolve until the end of history - some things are simply too big for our minds. ( Ex. free will, God's foreknowledge, the way He elects people etc.).
As about salvation, we have good hints what it means, from the Bible, but we miss the complete image. I guess it works with different images for different people ...
dyobodiu 2 years ago
Ah, but you see, free will, God's foreknowledge, is actually very much related to salvation.
Where you stand on election, will decide where you stand in salvation.
They aren't mutually exclusive. Many people think they are saved because they were baptized in water, or said a prayer one time in their life. Bad theology, doctrine is a major blame for this.
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago
That's true; but since I don't know the whole picture of salvation as God does, I try to be humble (as much as I can !) when I speak about it.
I believe in Jesus Christ, as my Saviour and Lord - to know I'm His child is the most important thing. I could speculate on some details ( and sometimes I do ) but I know my calling is to go with the Gospel to the others. That's where I stand about salvation.
As about bad theology: intent is prior to content - we have the theology chosen by our hearts.
dyobodiu 2 years ago
To know that you are a child of God is beyond important indeed :)
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago
Calvin, Augustine, Paul and Jesus have God getting the job done. That God is sopvereign and accomplishes what he sets out to do. Arminians say God does most of the salvation work but it is not complete without cooperation from the sinner. You worship a God that is weak and cannot work out the salvation of any man without the man's help. That is pathetic. God chooses and man responds. Why can't you comprehend that God is awesome and controls everything.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
Sounds like you just argued from philosophy, not Scripture.
You said that if God DOESN"T do it without man's co-operation (that's not what all arminians believe), that means he CAN'T. But, the Arminian never said that.
You believe that a God who CANT save is pathetic. You never said about a God who CHOOSES to operate that way.
We both agree that a God who CANT is pathetic. However, I believe the Arminian God is more powerful than the Calvinist God, he's MORE SOVEREIGN.
Arminian100 2 years ago
Why would the Arminian God be more sovereign?
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago
I answered that question if you read a couple more comments. Keep reading.
Arminian100 2 years ago
Well, I said your thinking is pathetic concerning God's ability to accomplish what he wants. Yeah, Arminians think that Christ hung on the cross and died for merely the opportunity for sinners to be saved if they will only cooperate with God. Calvinists say that Christ on the cross saved who he came to save, no more, no less. On the cross He cried out: It is Finished! It was mission accomplished! You're were either saved by Jesus at the cross or you're never saved.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
Again, you're wrong. I've already proven you can't keep up philosophically. Don't fight a battle you can't win. Besides, protestants are supposed to be "Sola Scriptura" and you've yet to go to a text. lol.
Anyhow, what does "It is finished" mean? Does it mean he had officially saved those whom he came to? Uh.... you won't find that there in the Gospels. Also, it wasn't finished, was it? I mean... none of it was complete without the resurrection... Just ask Paul.
Arminian100 2 years ago
He said "It is finished". It means his work was completed. Paul wrote: "For those whom he (God) foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers". - Romans 8:29. Paul doesn't say: For those God foreknew would believe..." as Arminians would like to have us believe he meant. Paul was clear what he meant. Chosen by the Father, Saved by the Son. Father & Son chose and saved.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
Right.... those whom God foreknew. How does God foreknow someone, other than through relationship? Love to know your answer to that. AND DO NOT USE JAMES WHITE'S answer. It's pathetic.
But again, you failed to answer the question. HIS WORK WAS NOT COMPLETED! He had to rise again. Paul says that Jesus' work is INCOMPLETE and in fact, a failure, without the resurrection.
You would have him disagree with this statement. Read your Bible more, not just your "proof-texts."
Arminian100 2 years ago
Jesus said: "It is finished" on the cross. I take that to mean that Jesus' work for our salvation was finished. His resurrection was the work of the Father. Of course, Jesus siad it so your argument may be with him, not me.
God foreknows us before we know him as he chose his people before we were born, yet he saw us throughout eternity. You could learn a lot from James White, RC Sproul, Loraine Boettner, Gordon H Clark.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
WOW! Eisegesis anyone? The air is THICK with it right now. Somehow Jeuss saying his task was finished... equals irresistible saving action.
Odd, maybe it is finished becaue he died... and that's what he CAME TO DO (10:45)... and MANY does NOT mean the elect. It means Israel. So don't try that.
Anyhow... stop with the eisegesis. Learn some exegesis. Try dealing with the text for once. Maybe you won't look so silly. For know... YOU LOOK LIKE A MAJOR EISEGETE! congrats.
That's impressive.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
except that's not what Jesus means when he says "it is finished." That's massive eisegesis. You're not allowed to read theology INTO a text. Nice try.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
look dude. I'm not saying your theology is wrong. I'm saying you can't impose it on a text that doesn't have it. You can't say a passage means something simply bc the theology is true. It may not be contained in that text. Unconditional election and limited atonement are not in Matthew's view when he writes those words on Jesus' lips (or when Jesus says them).
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
no, you don't learn what a text says based upon what other texts say. John does not help us interpret Matthew. Historical-Critical research disproved this myth 200 years ago.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
Yes but Paul here never means his letters. He doesn't even mean written scripture. He means the testimony of the disciples and true teaching of God (passed down through teaching, not writing at that time). So again - it appears your forcing meaning on a text which is not there.
John does not help us interpret Matthew. No matter how much we'd like it to. The Bible is the words of men through which God speaks to us. Not something from the mouth of God himself.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
No - Christianity called the idea that one needs to be "spiritual" in order to "understand spiritual things" a heresy a long time ago. It's called Gnosticism. You should look into that!
Yes God breathed life into the Scripture... just like he did to Adam. Didn't make Adam perfect, why do we assume it made the Scriptures perfect? Such unthinking.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
then it has nothing to do with "being spiritual" or not. But that's what you said. I have my gnosticism straight - you should watch your wording more closely if that's not what you meant.
Arminian100 2 years ago
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stonerolledaway 2 years ago
my point is that your wording was that you have to be "spiritual" in order to understand "spiritual things."
You asked if I wasn't "spiritual" and that's why i didn't understand "spiritual things." That's gnosticism. Plain and simple. If you didn't mean that - you should have worded it differently.
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