Fukushima - Could it Have a China Syndrome? Arnie Gundersen 12/14/11

[ObsenityofAtomicTech]

This guy seems to forget the control rods only absorb the energic nutron as long as they come inbetween the critical mass of the pile, deviding it into a less then critical mass. As soon as the pile melts into a molten mass the mass becomes critical and will run away and concentrate and fision. Sure the control rods shut it down in seconds but the fission restarted. They are in control of a empty reactor. The pile is under the plant, has been since about a week out of the melt though.

[ledaril]

did dis mammyjammer go and sell us udda niggers out? if'n he did den he need to gitizz lizzenzzes pulled on him.  sorry i slurred against my african brothers. i was just trying to show some feeling. dang yall. is this gundesen guy a scientist or do he have a college diploma? wazzzaaaaaaap?

[RACINGWILDONE]

ya know what Arnie, When things first started to unfold in March or April. You explained to us that once a fuel rod started to heat up, [ not full blown melt ] , you said it would take up to five years to cool it down. Well, how hot is melted fuel again,? How hot does it have to be, to melt through cement and steel.? Now you say by magic somehow, you have it all cooled down and under control, and is no longer melting. Sorry Arnie I have to call bullshit, and I don't think i'm alone on that.

[antiochus66]

I WONDER HOW MUCH ARNIE HAS BEEN PAID TO STFU..or at least put a positive spin on this shit.

thanks arnie for being so sure about no china syndrome..

better to assume you are not telling the truth and you are just the opposite side of the dis info game

[countessarcadius]

THIS MEANS THERE MUST BE CRITICALITIES HAPPENING, OR THE IODINE WOULDN;T BE THERE, Posted by Mochizuki on December 11th, 2011

Radioactive Iodine was measured in Gunma and Tokyo again. Officials announce the reason is unknown. In Gunma, 4 ~ 10 Bq/kg of radioactive Iodine were measured at 3 sewage-treatment plants. The samples were taken from 11/21~12/1/2011. The sewage-treatment plants are in Tamamura cho, Kiryu, and Hiratsuka. 29 ~ 68 Bq/kg of Cesium were also measured

[nismobeach]

I agree with the previous comment about this video not addressing the recent detections of Iodine 131. It has a short half life and its presence means nuclear fission has recently taken place. I don't buy the excuse that it's simply unrelated medical waste.

[RACINGWILDONE]

@nismobeach Arnie is starting to sound like a hawian buddy of mine, Cumona Wanna Lietooya.

[BORFILE]

AREVA La grupe nucléaire public lance la chasse aux économies via plan de rigueur baptise "Action 2016"

[surfstev]

In Fukushima they call it "The America Syndrome".

[LinnTractorNut]

Cautious but glad to hear he doesn't think it has or can burn through the bottom of the building, believe TEPCO/Japan knew from the start they needed more tank structures, why not use oil tankers before they just start dumping in the ocean? It is the highest priority of all Pacific bounded nations to see to it they do not deliberately dump that in the ocean! But that would make nuclear power look unsafe, can't have that. Seen any Presidential candidates mention any of this yet?

[MrJmccammon]

@LinnTractorNut Here Here! Should have been and should be a topic in future debates!

[gck82s]

I like Mr Gundersen from the start of the problems at the Daiichi nuclear complex the info he has put out in general is accurate. I now have problems with what he is saying ,1 no technology exists to get the corium out of the containment . 2 the reactors are not in cold shutdown .3 the site will get hotter and hotter personnel can not work in contamination like that and 4 the big one timetable 30 years Chernobyl was 25 years ago and no one has started the clean up as of yet,HE HAS BEEN GOT AT

[MsMilkytheclown]

@gck82s /watch?v=Jqps9ZdMxs0&ob=av2e

[gck82s]

@MsMilkytheclown why?

[tomuchbabble]

@gck82s Check out ENENEWS  Energy news.

[ObsenityofAtomicTech]

@gck82s I wonder in what shape the atomic pile are in ? Are they all in one spot? Did the entire pile melt into one giant puddle? Did parts of it get trapped in the stainless steel and or carbon steel of the pressure vessel and containment vessel. I suspect the melted pile alloys with the steel and becomes a metal unable to sustain fission, while parts of the pile that have not alloyed continue to concentrate and heat up. But all this would happen in minutes not weeks or days.

[CP91311]

Really? Better call NIST because aircraft fuel melts steel and brings down high rise buildings? Who the hell is this fool and who is paying his bills?

[Squirrelcaster]

"Looks like a MsMilkytheclown video", yes...:))

[KitemanTV]

So, Arnie has concluded that it is reasonable that the core slag heaps have actually been stopped by the building concrete---the 4th containment. This in all three reactors. Could this be true? We can hope for verification of that soon.

[iamgoddard]

@KitemanTV, verification will take 10-30 years, but in the meantime there are indications that there's no China syndrome.

We know for example that there's been no groundwater steam explosion. So given that fact and that the fuel should be drastically cooler now versus when it was blazing hot and probably boring through concrete, it would not now have the necessary heat to bore the renaming distance it hasn't.

In short, the window to a China syndrome outcome is closed at this time.

[poadmoon1]

@iamgoddard Sweety, please, for your own sake, pull you head out of your Yanga Yanga and take a look around.

This is not a movie, this is not a video game. Let's say you'r right and it takes 10-30 years. Will you still be here? Do you have children? Do you have or want grandchildren? Do you care about the world around you? Do you plan to eat? What will you eat?

I give up. Build another reactor.

[iamgoddard]

@poadmoon1, to me, caring about the world means caring about facts, ie, caring about what is real. There's nothing Arnie said that isn't the best interpretation of the facts we all know, and thus there's good reason to trust the accuracy of his prediction and thus that we're reliably not going to see a giant groundwater volcano emerge.

That's thinking scientifically, not living in a movie. Remember, it's "China Syndrome" that was the movie! ;)

[poadmoon1]

Don't THINK ??? WTH ?? When it reaches the CORE we HAVE a CHINA syndrome !!!!!!!

[MsMilkytheclown]

@poadmoon1 Heads up warning... today's update isn't going to make you feel any better. I'm putting it together right now.

[poadmoon1]

@MsMilkytheclown Sigh....

[countessarcadius]

@MsMilkytheclown is iodine 131 still in the water and milk? if it is, then that means there has been a criticality in the last 8 days, because it has a half life of 8 days, if it's been covered with water, how could there have been criticalities? it was in the milk and water on the EPA'S website at least a month ago, so what do you think?

[iamgoddard]

@countessarcadius, no, iodine isn't still in the water and milk and I don't believe that the EPA detected it a month ago. It's possible that if a few residual fuel rods didn't meltdown with the mass that did, they could go recritical and melt. But Arnie has explained before that corium isn't going to go recritcal. This is what the nuclear physics indicates, that once the fuel is melted into lava, it won't go re-critical, it will keep cooling. That's what happened at Chernobyl.

[poadmoon1]

Sorry , I am a Christain woman ,, I am trying to restain myself in my responce.

I AM SO ANGRY. I AM SO TIRED OF BEING LIED TO.. I AM SO TIRED OF THIS DAMN LYING GOVERNMENT AND I AM TIRED OF THE LIES.. GRRR.. ASIAQ IS THE WORST...

I have to stop, I am angry...

[poadmoon1]

@poadmoon1 ASIA ,,

[poadmoon1]

Kinda a done deal, who dosn't know this ?

[oicub2]

dah , more tanks ?? or would that cost too much ??

[jgig22]

fuck you would think that msm would have told us all we need to know about this, im still confused.

[jgig22]

arnie seems a little strange in this video, some of his facts are clearly wrong, and the spaghetti ref is strange to say the least.

now experts in you tube land, do we need the controls to be in place to stop fission? cause im guessing that arnie is saying that once fission is halted it cant be restarted.

my thoughts were that if the controls rods are no longer separating the fuel then it should resume fission at a critical mas.

[dr88ought]

@jgig22 my thoughts are that Arnie has become second level propaganda social control. His discussion of "all the heat from the daughter products" ignores the detection of I-131 WAY after the reactors were "turned off." This indicates nuclear re-criticality and I "think" i remember Arnie even mentioning this fact in previous videos. Something really slimy is going on here.

[jgig22]

so is nuclear fission 

[ducklamb1]

nuclear fusion is a hell of a way to boil water.

[artyfarty3]

start building Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors ! and decommission ALL water reactors NOW !!!

i don't want to live with "cancer" flouting in the air just to see another "Fukushima" in the near future . Governments give TRILLIONS of $ to bail out the "too big to fail" banks but they can't find a billion or two for LFTRs ?! WTF ?!

[Throwinfire101]

Wow this is so sick to hear I couldnt even hardly listen to this wolve in sheepskin trying to hold down the sheep.

[danielvincentkelley]

Arnie Gunderson propaganda minister, helping out the fkn murderous traitors who are planing to make this a 30 year nuke disaster in slow mo. 30 YEARS! Chernobyl was over in 6 DAYS. Gunderson thinks we should tolerate this nuke disaster for 30 YEARS!?

[surgelogic]

@danielvincentkelley Would you like to hear the worst case scenario? They may or may not truly know the condition of the fuel but wouldn't it make sense to hope for the best and go off of what data they do have? If Gunderson reported the worst case scenario without having all of the Data, wouldn't that make him a fear monger?

[danielvincentkelley]

A. Gunderson Propaganda Minister "Eventually they're going to "have to" release those tanks (of radioactive waste water) into the ocean." Really? Seems they might empty those tanks into fkn trucks to ship it where it might be boiled off that the water be cleaned by distillation and the nuke material then dry stored. Gunderson says they have to dump nuke waste in the fkn ocean fkn traitor treasonous propaganda minister Gunderson.

[danielvincentkelley]

Uranium 235 has a half life of 704 million years.

Uranium 238 has a half life of 4.47 BILLION years.

[danielvincentkelley]

What a fkn ridiculous cheap whore Arnie Gunderson is. "They have half lives of 10s of thousands of years." plutonium and uranium really?

Uranium half life 704 MILLION YEARS. Just got year long spewed into the Pacific while Arnie Gunderson did fkn nothing to raise awareness how devastating this situation is going to be. Fk you Arnie Gunderson you fkn Rothschild agent propaganda minister corporate fkn whore.

[danielvincentkelley]

After like 8 months of fkn youtube always asking you to solve a captcha when you're fkn commenting, maybe then youtube can back the f*ck off with this captcha nonsense, especially when you have nil spam comments to your credit. Maybe?

[cosmiccowboy92021]

Well, considering TEPCO had finally admitted to 3 full on melt downs (better make that melt throughs) & considering with Chernobyl - they had 550 coal miners who worked around the clock to tunnel under the reactor in order to prevent a China Syndrome. What's wrong with this picture?

[RACINGWILDONE]

I'll make you a deal Arnie,if they can somehow stop the fuel from the China syndrome,I will apoligize and admit I was wrong, and didn't know what I was talking about. But if i'm right, then you have to apoligize to me, and admit that YOU don't know what you're talking about. Hows that, sounds fair to me .Wanna take that bet? Lets let the public decide who's smarter you or me.

[danielvincentkelley]

/watch?v=FNqAvk0aPhY

What do you suppose that was? The steam explosion at Fukushima in June? The nuke fuel hitting the water table? Mmm duh.

[MsMilkytheclown]

@danielvincentkelley HOLY SHIT, BPOD BLOCKED ME a year ago... Can you Get him to unblock me? WTF? Shit, that is some serious shit... and I missed the shit storm,,, darn it all.... ask him to unblock me... ok?

[danielvincentkelley]

@MsMilkytheclown

Sure. I'll mention to him you'd like to be unblocked.

[danielvincentkelley]

Enormous ability to "suck heat" out of the nuke fuel? Not. To keep nuke fuel cool, you need to FLOW water past it. Any water that comes to rest on a "critical mass" of nuke fuel, will be evaporated immediately. This man is so full of sh*t, I can't wait for him to swing from the rafters for his prosecution for treason by propaganda ministry during this greatest hour of human need.

[danielvincentkelley]

Generating less heat? They are a breeder reactor. That means they are breeding more nuke fuel. That's what nuke reactions do, they make everything they contact more dense, even while they're making that material hotter. Nuke reactions GROW, thus the phrase from the China syndrome movie, NOTHING CAN STOP IT. It can actually be stopped, by boron and being covered with sand. But NOTHING has been done about it, to stop it as yet and now it's hundreds of feet below the plant. Stop it means chasing it

[RACINGWILDONE]

@danielvincentkelley A fast breeder reactor produces plutonium.

[danielvincentkelley]

@RACINGWILDONE

Exactly. Breeder reactors are nuclear fission process that creates more nuclear fuel. That's EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON AT FUKUSHIMA. The prelude to blackhole Earth. Planetary breeder reactor.

[danielvincentkelley]

I read last August the nuke fuel had left the building, aka China syndrome. What's this nonsense Gunderson is pushing, saying it melted out of containment on the first day, last year, but it's not melted out of the building yet? RIDICULOUS. Gunderson=Propaganda.

[danielvincentkelley]

Melts "theoretically to China"... Why would it fight gravity, after it made it's way to the center of Earth's gravity? That aspect of the phrase China Syndrome is obviously bullsh*t. But the aspect described in the movie,

If there was a crater? Arnie Gunderson disinfo. Also, no longer "nuclear reaction"? What stopped the nuclear reaction? Nothing. Is there still a "CRITICAL MASS" of high density nuke fuel? Yes. Then there's still a nuke reaction going. Arnie Gunderson=Propaganda minister.

[RACINGWILDONE]

Just like the melting fuel ,I can sit here and poke holes in every thing you say.When the crisis first started I listened to every word you said.even recorded it.It seems all your answers have did a 180,Now you just sound like a tepco official.DENY,DENY,then misslead every body to make it sound like they have some kind of control,THEY DON'T!! And never will,they lost the ability to cool it,China syndrome is inevitable.Everyone should look at the leasons learned from Chernobyl. Inform yourself !!

[RACINGWILDONE]

How much money did Tepco pay Fairwinds?Or should I say your wife maggie and yourself.I should start a company and call it Better winds,I would have to get a wife so I have a big company like you .Once the fuel melts into the concrete floor, you loose the ability to cool the fuel.It's common sense,if the fuel is in the concrete the water can only have access to the top of the melted fuel.You CAN NOT cool the sides or bottom,only the top.So it is impossible to get water in to cool the blob.

[danielvincentkelley]

@RACINGWILDONE

What worked at Chernobyl, to stop the melt down, is they put boron on the melt down and sand. The boron cools the reaction and the sand turns it into a solid. There becomes a mangled shape radioactive glass blob where the melt down was. If they do that before it reaches the mantle, the world will be saved. They're not doing anything about it but preparing also bot death for everybody.

[cori800888]

errrr... buddy. you know of course that then the fuel melted out of the reactor and away from the moderator rods (carbon and other moderators) that the fuel went entirely critical and did not explode worse than it did because the containment was breached and at atmospheric pressure. and no polished berillium around it to reflect the decay particles back onto the core... so it has not exploded... the reaction heat is currently limitlessly more than the few thousand kilowatts you mention...

[RACINGWILDONE]

Ok Arnie.That's about enough of you .I didn't know much when this started back in march,but over the last nine months,I've learnt quite a few things.I've noticed, along with many other people,that you've changed your tune.Now you're down playing everything.If you research Chernobyl you would KNOW, that the melted fuel does NOT, lay flat on the floor.In Chernobyl the fuel melted through and formed what looks like an elephant foot,thats what they called it in Chernobyl.So you are definatly WRONG.

[Pistol76]

Another thing that Mr. Gundersen did not discuss was the effect that cold ground water would have on a large mass of fuel. Maybe it can be expected that the fuel would mix with the soil and not remain intact in a large mass, but who really knows for sure? If it were to stay in a large enough mass then the fact is that intermittent fission and prompt criticalities are possible, that would provide plenty of heat for a steam explosion. The fact is that no one knows for sure what will happen.

[Pistol76]

Also it is suspected that there have been several instances, some recently, of fission events as witnessed by weird flashes of light and reports of neutron beams. Each time a pile of fuel begins to fission again enough to produce such an even, you start back over at the beginning with your decay heat. Mr. Gundersen talked about the temperature readings cooling down, the same could be expected if the fuel was no longer in the building.

[PaleMoonlightt]

Release it into the ocean because the tanks are full, shit just pump it straight in to the ocean cheaper that way isin't it. Why are these people from GE not in Jail and BP can keep them company., I hope they enjoyed there big cars and holidays because the amount of children and innocents to suffer with no money for drugs and health care, will be catastrophic. God bless us all we need some help down here.

[MarshallrN]

dont forget we dont know 100% of everything happening over there in Japan.

[Pistol76]

I am going to disagree with Mr. Gunderen, I believe that the fuel left the # 1 reactor building shortly after the melt through and that it is somewhere underground. There is also the question of the fuel from # 3 SFP, is it still in the pool and covered with water? Then there is the problem with the deteriorating # 4 reactor building and its SFP. No one is talking about the corrosion factor either, these structure were flooded with seawater, the containment's and support structure are rusting.

[RACINGWILDONE]

@Pistol76 OK, So you really think the MOX fuel that is used in reactor #3 Is STILL IN A POOL OF WATER ?? Seriously?? You do undestand that the spent fuel pool is on the TOP FLOOR Of the reactor building .The top 3 fricken floors are completly GONE. Still in the pool.WHAT POOL ?? NOBODY CAN GET CLOSE TO THE REACTOR !! As for reactor 4 there is not a drop of water , or a single fuel rod left .Update your images , Get informed !! The whole south wall has collapsed, from top to bottom.

[RACINGWILDONE]

@Pistol76 OK, So you really think the MOX fuel that is used in reactor #3 Is STILL IN A POOL OF WATER ?? Seriously?? You do undestand that the spent fuel pool is on the TOP FLOOR Of the reactor building .The top 3 fricken floors are completly GONE. Still in the pool.WHAT POOL ?? NOBODY CAN GET CLOSE TO THE REACTOR !! As for reactor 4 there is not a drop of water , or a single fuel rod left .Update your images , Get informed !! The whole south wall has collapsed, from top to bottom.

[job3831]

It would be interesting to see a comprehensive, global study of the average amount of nuclear contamination released into the ecosystem, the current/projected rate of nuclear waste production and it's risk factor, and a projected date of life extinction. If we continue on our present course it's just a matter of time.

[grizzzlyjoe]

Uh ... ok?

So, either way, we're still fucked, Arnie? I feel oddly NOT comforted. Why is that?

/watch?v=uAsV5-Hv-7U

[cori800888]

@grizzzlyjoe that is because its spin, paid for to quell total panic in the world.. before melt down the reaction was controlled by 'moderators' those slow the reaction. in melt down the moderators are left behind, the core then goes critical.. then gets nearly as hot as the surface of the sun with no way in hell to control it. search 'control rods, moderators, nuclear' on google

[grizzzlyjoe]

@cori800888 No thank you for the wholly unsolicited information.

Search, "I don't give a flying fuck about your pedantic iteration of that which I know already"

If you had anything of any real import to say worth noting, having told ME serves no useful purpose. Tell Arnie, the NRC, the IAEA, America, Japan & the rest of the freakin' world.

Regurgitating information that I & EVERYBODY following this disaster has already learned from multiple sources is a reiteration into futility.

[NibiruMagick2012]

Well at least we don't have to worry about a steam explosion now..... Thank you Arnie*****

The radioactive teabag will be with us for generations.

Keep up the great work

Magick

[cori800888]

@NibiruMagick2012 that was spin kiddo, paid for to avoid total public panic. with the fuel melting away from its control rods it goes totally out of control.. Its likely long since melted out of the building.. many nuclear scientists are on record saying its a hundred feet or more into the earth.  stay tuned.

[IExposeMormonism]

Whoa, I'm eating spaghetti as Arnie speaks! And I slightly over cooked it, and yes, it does stick to the pan. Later, the spaghetti picture has a wormy aspect to it. Soft plutonium ice cream and Nuclear Spaghetti Worms! one million watts is 750,000 horse power +/-. An A /A dragster is about 7500HP. And does the 1/4 mi in 4.4 seconds. So this is some 100+ A/A dragsters all going off at once. Yea-Ha! Arnie is the expert but I'm just not as optimistic as he is. Too much shit is out there.

[cori800888]

@IExposeMormonism you are correct by a factor of several thousand to one... our friend is spinning this (badly) to obviate the facts of fuel, no longer moderated by its control rods...this will be nasty indeed. real nasty.

[CuteCatFaith]

Uprated and shared.

[glowing2323]

I don't know how you have managed to continue reporting this disaster all this time without getting completely depressed. I have to take long Fuku breaks. It's just too much.