i remember Enoch, when i was 16 being very* drawn to the catholic church, and took instruction from a priest, learnt the prayers in latin etc, but towards the end it was this issue about Mary, whom i should pray, that i could not continue, thus to say the young priests were perplexed in my decision
i don't see what is wrong with remembering great Christians, if it is true that the good they do is Christ working in them. honoring them is honoring Christ and praying to Christ in them is not a lessening of the worship of God, it is the praise of his works.
@Works101abel Well, I'm not really a Protestant, and no doubt Mary was a better Christian than me! But you don't pray to Christians, even the very best of them.
"I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing." 2 Cor 12:11
I don't believe you must belong to a certain denomination to be a true christian,I don't judge your heart, only God can do that, but this life is not easy. "IF YOU BREAK ONE OF THE LIST OF THE COMMANDMENTS YOU HAVE BROKEN THEM ALL". I suffered for the catholic church from when I was a little boy, my grandmother tough me to pray, but it was all "mea culpa mea culpa mea culpa"Matthew 23:4 "my fault my guilt my mistake" I lived the dark ages myself, MYSELF, But JESUS IS BEAUTIFUL. God bless
I don't talk to people that ware funny clothes with the purpose to look different then me. Jesus didn't do that, he wore fisherman clothes. I am talking here with a simple language and attitude of an eight year old boy. I am doing that for a reason. I know millions know what I am saying. Somethings are incredibly simple. I was a catholic in the south of Italy, There are for examples hundreds of different Madonnas. The black one, the one holding a chains, the one with wings. etc etc IDOLATRY
@medusa210562 The simple truth is that you where teaching that saints on earth are the same as Saints in heaven, Jesus makes this very clear that the greatest st on earth is lower then the least of those in heaven. I rebuked you with the infallible words of our LORD and savior and you still will not listen. I am now pleading that you repent retract this lie and came back to the faith.
@gtepp031387 yes the least saint in heaven is greater then the greatest saint on earth. I agree with you, non the less that is no basis for creating saints, canonizing saints, making doctrines that glorify them. I would say Enoch is a saint. So what that is all, I would say that the converts of Christianity are saints. Only God really knows the hearts of man, I cannot decide is Mary Mckilop is a saint or not and categorize her, no man can do that. If they think they can it is a SIN. A SIN A SIN
@medusa210562 Actuall the church awaits the sighns that one is in heaven and accepts them when they come, it is GOD that cannonizes the Saints. And by the way Jesus gave all authority to bind and loose to his apostles, and the apostles gave this authority to the bishops they put over the churches like Timothy and Clement, whatever they bind on earth is therfore bound in heaven.
@medusa210562 By the way the glory that the father gave to the son, the son gave to his holy body, that is, the holy saints, (John 17:20-26) Yet I do not believe that saints that are not completley sanctifed and made into (completley) the body of Christ are do glory as they have not yet become(fully) one with and in him.Yet once they do they have the glory that the father gave the son. Glory, honor, respect, but not worship never worship. GOD aone is good, and he alone can do all things.
@gtepp031387 When we are converted and give our life to God you make our life holy, Holy means set aside for God. Saint means holy. HALL THIS DOCTRINE ABOUT SUPPER SAINTS, Is A CATHOLIC INVENTION. John 17:20 applyes to me I am a saint. When I was 12 the priest told me to pray 5 hail Marys, as opposed to 4 for the previous Sunday and I said to him "HOW CAN ONE EXTRA HAIL MARY MAKE A DIFFERENCE?" I was 12 and I understood their satanic doctrines, and you don't?
I was a catholic, I know how I felt funny from a young age about, big churches with statues of Superhumans. The bible has nothing about SPECIAL HUMAN SAINTS.Saint was just how the church members were called. e g. "the saints of Thessaloniki" or whatever. This superhuman saint concept is completely catholic , the saint are church members, that is all. Priest that cannot marry. Sex only for conception. The Pope infallibility. Selling of indulgences to rise money for st. peter cupola. etc etc etc.
I was a catholic, I know how I felt funny from a young age about, big churches with statues of Superhumans. The bible has nothing about SPECIAL HUMAN SAINTS.Saint was just how the church members were called. e g. "the saints of Thessaloniki" or whatever. This superhuman saint concept is completely catholic , the saint are church members, that is all. Priest that cannot marry. Sex only for conception. The Pope infallibility. Selling of indulgences to rise money for st. peter cupola.
@medusa210562 BTW in the Latin Rite there are some Married priest, it is only a practise not a dogam. In fact the church just welcomed back about 100 married clergy from the Angelican church and placed them in the Latin rite.
@Jennavicia100 We pray to Jesus every hour of every day. Tell me how can you seperate what GOD has put together? Mary and Jesus are one (John 17:20-26) stop seperating what GOD has joined.
@gtepp031387 Please tell me where in the Bible it says that we should pray through Mary as our intercessor. That verse you gave me doesn't prove anything (John 14:6, 7 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.") And Jesus rarely called her mother according to the bible, he called her woman. Yes she is his mother and we can ..
@Jennavicia100 John 17:20-26 states that Mary and Jesus are one, she is with and in him, WITH HIM WHERE HE IS..wether you like it or not Mary is there when you pray to Jesus.
Paul states that intercession should be made for all. Jesus tells us the Angles interceed for us. John shows us the picture of heaven where Saints and angles interceed for us and offer our prayers to GOD.
The reason Jesus reffers to her as woman is to forfill Genesis, since she is the new Eve just as he is the new Adam
@gtepp031387 acknowledge her for being his mother and being the chosen one to give birth to our Savior but I'm just asking why do you have to go through Mary so she can pray to God so pray for our sins , when it clearly states in John 14"6,7 that we have to go through Jesus, He is the only way period. I'm just saying.
@Jennavicia100 "John 14"6,7 that we have to go through Jesus"
Yep and according to John 17:20-26 Mary and Jesus are one, and so is everyone that truley believes....Is it wrong to ask you to pray for me, or ask you for help?, of course I know that you can "do nothing on your own" and understand that even Mary must be WITH Jesus to do anything.
@Jennavicia100 "acknowledge her for being his mother and being the chosen one to give birth to our Savior"
And you should acknowledge her also as your mother, "son behold your mother" and Rev goes on to say that Mary is the mother of all those that follow Jesus, the ark of the new covenate.
@gtepp031387( maybe in those days woman was a term as respect, I don't know) Spiritual relatives and Blood relatives and that spiritual relatives outranked blood relatives, and he stated without apology that "'My mother and my brothers are those people who hear and obey God's message (Luke 8:20-21)."
@Jennavicia100 My case is very simple, Mary is one with and in Jesus, a part of his very body, connected to the tree of life, mother to all who believe, with Jesus where he is....can the hand say to the foot I do not need you?
@gtepp031387 I am the same person of the Jennavicia100 account, I just created a new account i forgot the password. but Please tell me where in the Bible it says that we should pray through Mary as our intercessor. That verse you gave me doesn't prove anything (John 14:6, 7 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.")
@gtepp031387 And Jesus rarely called her mother according to the bible, he called her woman. Yes she is his mother and we can ..acknowledge her for being his mother and being the chosen one to give birth to our Savior but I'm just asking why do you have to go through Mary so she can pray to God so pray for our sins , when it clearly states in John 14"6,7 that we have to go through Jesus, He is the only way period. I'm just saying.
@gtepp031387 ( maybe in those days woman was a term as respect, I don't know) Spiritual relatives and Blood relatives and that spiritual relatives outranked blood relatives, and he stated without apology that "'My mother and my brothers are those people who hear and obey God's message (Luke 8:20-21)."
Amen! Yahweh bless you! If only my fellow Italian ''Christians'' would see that having statues all around their homes of Mary is wrong and evil, I pray they will. Open their eyes God in Yeshua's name.
Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
@gtepp031387 with respect, I have to greatly disagree 200 %, I listen to God the Holy spirit and its wrong to have a statue of Mary and worship it and turn to it for comfort and pray to it. God bless you.
@godislove633 Catholics do not worship Images, never have, never will. "Worship is for GOD alone" ~Infallible Dogma from the head of the temperal church(The Pope).
Anyone who says Mary can do anything one her own, I will rebuke him. Anyone, like you, that trys to seperate Mary from Christ(which is against scripture John 17:20-26) I will rebuke him too. We pray to Mary as part of the very body of Christ, one with and in him, with him where he is.
@godislove633 So you believe that statues of and by themselves are evil and against GOD? So then the statues on the ark are evil and against GOD then? What about in the holy temple in Jerusalem?
@gtepp031387 have you ever read exodus 20 and compared with the catholic 10 commandments. I was a catholic, the fact that they took one comandament out and devided another in 2 so that the number could ammount to 10 was enough for me to live the cathlic church.
@medusa210562 Intresting that the Jews have the 1st Commadment as "I am the LORD your GOD" so do the Catholics, so do the original Protestants(Lutherans)... well modern Protestants have the first commadment as "You shall have no other GODs before me"...hummm so who changed the commandments?...You need to study before you speak.....But in niether side have the commadments been remove just seperated different, what has been removed are 7 books from the holy bible by you Protestans.
@gtepp031387 All I know is that the first commandment reads.“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before[a] me." And again the Catholics omitted one commandment Exodus 20:4&5 and divided the last Exodus 17 in 2. So the total could be 10.
I was 12 years old when I could not sleep because of this realization. have I been wrong all this time please enlighten me.
@gtepp031387 ACTUALLY DON'T TALK TO ME AT ALL. HOW CAN WE DISCUSS ANYTHING BY USING THE BIBLE WHEN CATHOLICS DON'T BELIEVE THE BIBLE ALONE IS ENOUGH. THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN "SOLA SCRITTURA." So how can we discuss anything. Again how can we discuss anything? We cannot. Anything you quote to me from the Bible can be superseded by the "FATHERS"
@medusa210562 The Catholics gave you the bible smart one! We believe in it very much, however Sola scriptura is a word for word contridiction of the holy text "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, WETHER BY WORD OF MOUTH, OR OUR EPISTLE." 2 Thes 2:15 "The church of the living GOD(not the bible is) THE PILLAR AND FOUNDATION OF TRUTH" 1 Timothy 3:15
@gtepp031387 The church was the millions of people who were burned on the stake. The church was people who loved God. etc etc. when Jesus came the church was some Fishermen. I believe the catholic church to be the worst of all religious powers that ever was. The church must walk in accordance with the bible. Not the other way around. This must be so because we cannot trust man. That is way the bible was given. Acts 17: 10-12
@medusa210562 "The church was the millions of people who were burned on the stake."
Yep and who is the only church leader that ordered people to be burned at the stake?
"Heretics are not to be disputed with, but to be condemned unheard,and whilst they perish by fire(burn at stake),the faithful ought to pursue the evil to its source,and bathe their heads in the blood of the Catholic bishops, and of the Pope, who is the devil in disguise."~Martin Luther the founder and leader of Protestantism.
@gtepp031387 I don't follow martin luther. The church was peple burned at the stake because they were true to themself. People who protested against indulgences. people who wanted to read the bible. etc etc.
@gtepp031387 this way of thinking is one very close step away from persecution. Because then you have to tell me which is this church. The church is the one that fallows His word.
@medusa210562 "this way of thinking is one very close step away from persecution. Because then you have to tell me which is this church"
This way of thinking? You mean actually following what the bible says?....lol...The true church has never been hiding it's been clear in the open for the last 2,000 years. "Wherever Jesus is there is the Catholic church" and "Whoever opposes the bishop does in reality serve the devil" ~ St Ignatius of Antioch 80-107 A.D. ordained bishop by Peter.
@gtepp031387 The 12 apostle were dresses like fisherman, I cannot prove it. So when you and I are in heaven we can make a bet, We will ask them, I am sure they didn't were all this idolatrous closes the Pope and all his mates are wearing now.
@medusa210562 The modern protestants have changed the word Idol to "graven Image" but if graven Images are a commandment on there own then you must kill your self as you are in the Image of GOD, you can not use your computer either or have a house as it is an image of something else on earth, really when you think about it the modern protestants have made a commandent that no one can keep. The correct word is "IDOL", meaning something you place above GOD.
@gtepp031387 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my Commandments. exodus 20:4-6 I really don't know what you are on about. THIS IS IT.
@medusa210562 "You shall not make for yourself an Idol"...An Idol is something you place above GOD. Has the Catholic church ever placed anything above GOD? NO!!!
"You shall not bow down to them(idols)or worship them" Does the Catholic church bow in worship to anyone but GOD? NO!!! "WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE"~ Infallible Dogma fromThe Pope Do we bow in repect and honor to others? YES!!! Is bowing in respect and honor approved throughout the bible? YES!!! Would you like me to prove this?
@gtepp031387 The catholic church has make itself an idol, just by not letting exodus 20"4-6 just the way it is. I used to play the clarinet as a little boy in catholic processions in the south of Italy. I saw people on their knees until blood was visible. I would not want that kind of bowing toward me. Any think that makes a human better then another human is worship
@medusa210562 Sry bowing is not worship and the bible even says to give honor to whom honor is do(Romans 13:7). By the way Exodus 20 4-6 is in my bible just the way it is. And according to Jesus "Love your neighbor as yourself"(Mark 12:31) is the second commadment.
@gtepp031387 I like these comments about Exodus and Mark 12. Amen. About worship. I believe you know in your heart there is a fine line between honor and worship. I believe we agree. Teenagers honor the queen these days, but worship Michael Jackson. Now you know in your heart. If I met the Pope for example I would simply ask him, why are you not wearing a suit and you are wearing all this funny clothes, You know the fine line in your heart brother.
@gtepp031387 My brother. I just would like to tell a few things I don't like about the catholic church. CANONIZATION = a human invention. EXCLUSIVITY IN SALVATION. yes you cannot be saved unless you are catholic. (did you know that yourself?) THE ALTERING OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS. The only part of the bible written with the hand of God. THE CONCORDAT, yes these were the agreements between the pope and Mussolini. If you study these you know The pope is supported by Satan himself. WORSHIP OF SAINTS
@medusa210562 ~ Albert Einstein who, disenchanted by the silence of universities and editors of newspapers, stated in Time magazine (December 23, 1940) "Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. …The Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom."
@medusa210562 The day after his election (March 3, 1939), the Nazi newspaper, Berliner Morganpost stated its position clearly: "the election of Cardinal Pacelli is not accepted with favor in Germany because he was always opposed to Nazism."
@medusa210562 The New York Times editorial (December 25, 1942) was specific: "The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas...He is about the only ruler left on the Continent of Europe who dares to raise his voice at all."
@medusa210562 "I do insist on the certainty that sooner or later—once we hold power—Christianity will be overcome and the German church, without a Pope and without the Bible, and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing.” - ADOLF HITLER ...Hitler was a Protestant who followed the teaching of Martin Luther espeaically his views on the Jews...ever read Martin Luthers "the Jews and there lies"...you should he is the one that started your church after all.
@gtepp031387 whatever this crazy Martin Luther believed, he had to hide from the pope soldiers. some of friends were burned at the stake. I would not burn a catholic for not believing what I believe.
@medusa210562 "Heretics are not to be disputed with, but to be condemned unheard, and whilst they perish by fire(burn at the stake or inside the church he just lit on fire), the faithful ought to pursue the evil to its source, and bathe their heads in the blood of the Catholic bishops,and of the Pope, who is the devil in disguise." ~ Martin Luther...I am sorry you take offence that the Catholic church responded to these terrosist, the church let the law deal with them, they did not kill them.
@gtepp031387 what about the Waldensians. Were they not killed. What about thousands of witched, so to speak "witches", Wasn't is Galileo Galilei, that had fear for his life telling the church, that the hearth moves. By the way if you have a book of multilingual quotes, the words of Galileo were, "e pur si muove" older italian " eppur si muove" you can just google it.
@gtepp031387 You are completely right on point number 4 about faith and works. But of course you cannot blame the protestants for going overboard because they knew how Catholicism believed is the merits of human efforts so much they practiced self flagellation and selling of indulgences.
@medusa210562 This is the authoritative teaching of the Catholic church
CANON I(council of trent authoritative and binding on all Christians).-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.
@medusa210562 "Martin Luther believed, he had to hide from the pope soldiers. some of friends were burned at the stake"..sry to disapoint but it was Martin Luther who was burning Catholics at the stake and teaching others to do the same, the church of couse answered these terrosists I am sry you take offence to that. The Protestant revolution startted with the burning of Catholic churches sometimes with people in them here listen to Martin Luthers Protestant teachings....cont...
@medusa210562 5 Protestants say Baptism is not necessary for salvation yet Jesus says "He who believes AND is baptized will be saved" Mark 16:16 and Peter says "Baptism that now saves you" 1 Peter 3:21
6 Protestants belive they can personally interprite holy scripture and prophisy yet the bible says "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:20
@gtepp031387 I believe baptism is necessary. I also believe baptism starts with a desition. YOU cannot buptize little children. Baptism is not a magic formula. The prophecy is not to be interpreted we must let the bible interpret it self. You or the pope cannot interpret it for me.
@medusa210562 7 Protestants have removed 7 initire books from the scripture the apostles used.
8 Protestants do not confess there sins to there brothers though the bible says "Confess your sins to one another ...so that you might be healed" James 5:16
9 Protestant believe it is ok for a woman to teach and to have authority over a man yet the bible says "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man" 1 Timothy 2:12..ect the list could go on and on.
@gtepp031387 You confess you sins to one another when this sins concern the other. I cannot tell my brother, for example "I am watching pornography" This could could be detrimental for my brother. But I confess my sins to Him if I have offended my brother.
Respond to this video... this statement of Paul is not equivalent to the 10 commandments. I am sure I could find hundreds of advices like that. For example the law of Moses is incredibly full of good advice. Nonetheless the law of Moses was written in the scroll but the 10 commandments were written in the stone inside the ark and written with the hand of God.
@medusa210562 There is a big differenece between saints on earth and Saints in heaven. As Jesus says
"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Matthew 11:1....either Prots are just completely ignorant of this verse of just reject it either way the Catholic churchs stand on Saints in heaven is scripturaly correct.
@gtepp031387 Here Jesus was saying that in heaven hierarchy is not in human terms, that is all. To canonize someone and elevate them higher and higher and higher. Is a human invention. In direct opposition to the law in exodus.
@medusa210562 I will ask you for one authorittative teaching from the church(ecumentical council or letter from the Pope that says to kill anyone) or I would ask you stop posting propaganda! There where bad men in the church yes, just as there are today there actions where never approved by the church!
@gtepp031387 I believe there are good christian Catholics. Nonetheless because she has not fundamentally changed. She is still the same. Mary for example is a human being, blessed and all the rest, But still she needed to be redeemed like you and I. This is very very very basic. The opposite is a sin.
It is simple when Catholicism had power, she burned me at the stake. When I am free I don't burn anyone at the stake. I just say what I want. The catholic church is dressed in sheep's clothing.
@medusa210562 It is simple all right, you are either an ignorant poster of propaganda or a striaght liar. The church has never taught it is ok to kill Protestants. The authoritative teaching of the church is wide in the open, you can look up every cannon from every ecumentical council that the church ever held, there is no such teaching, you can look up just about every letter from the Pope from the last 10 centuries,there is no such teaching.
@medusa210562 The Pope ordered no one be hurt during the inquisistion, the crusades where necessary war, or we would all be muslems. The Catholic doctrins are all sound.
Why in the world would you be against the office of Peter?
@gtepp031387 The office of Peter. Peter was never the corner stone, Jesus was. And if there was such office my church has it. I have all the right not to believe, what I was toght as a child, 1) to pray to another human being.2)to increase the number of prayers according to the number of sins I have committed as prescribed by the priest.3) To build statues to honor people, not for what they have achieved, but because they have attained some super state of being. (idolatry)
@gtepp031387 4) to accept 10 comandaments that needed one of them (number 10) to be devided into 2, So they would not ammount to 9 but to 10. 5) To follow a church that was the church of state during Mussolini, while there was (officially) no freedom of religion. If you studies Italian civic History you would find that when Mussolini fell, freedom of religion was introduced. Did you know that untill 1905 castraty tenors were not allowed to marry by catholicism, Altough they were allowed to sing
Respond to this video... Form the year 300 to about 1400 the atrocities of the catholic church are tremendous. I grew uh up in the south of Italy so I have seen with my eyes a mini version of the dark ages. I could write a book my self. Like the mafia pinning money on the Madonna, And people doing pilgrimages allover the world to witness prodigious signs. Like saints bleeding etc etc. I believe firmly with all my intellect the catholic church is the historical Antichrist.
@medusa210562 You are free to follow Satan, but it will condemm you to hell.
We have covered all the other stuff that you have posted at lease twice, and you have not produced a single authoritative teaching from the church that is wrong, or said to kill anyone. Unless you have something to offer to the table that we have no discussed, good by and may the grace of GOD lead you home.
@gtepp031387 I would like to encourage all people that I have been talking to, on the internet. To see "Catholicism vs Biblical Faith" posted by formeragnostic. The ex priest who talks there is definitly on an arrogant anticatholic but a true Christian.
@medusa210562 The simple truth is that you are a hipocrite, as the founder and leader of your church, taught to kill and burn Catholics at the stake(in well documented authentic letters from his hand). A Protestant minister is responsible for starting the KKK(one of there modos is "the only way to save a Catholic is to kill em") The Protestant church labled the native Americans with the title "red devils" nearly hunting them to extinction...please study before you speak.
@medusa210562 Saints are the body of Christ, we look to there example, we do not believe they are better then us, they where blessed men by the grace of GOD and allowed this grace to work in them, we only want to remember what the grace of GOD has done, and what we can do if we simply let the grace do it's work. We honor and respect the spirit of truth that flowed from these blessed men and wemon.
@gtepp031387 The saints are the people sitting in the church (building), They are simple the church. And from my point of view, because I definitely don't believe you must belong to a certain denomination to be saved. There are a lot of saints in the catholic church. Please don't talk to me about the "SAINTS" not such think. Enven the apostle before their last breath, humbly asked God forgiveness for their sins, In fact the closer you are to Jesus the more inefficient you see your self to be.
Respond to this video... Saints are the body of christ, You and me. Of course only God can read the heart. No such think as 'THE SAINTS" with big letters. Purely a catholic invention.
@medusa210562 Actually the church has 5 rites(original) the other 4 rites marry. It is only in the Latin rite where priests do not marry. The Catholic church has more married priest then any other Protestant denomination(barring perhaps the Lutherans), you are simply ignorant and understudied, and you claim to have been Catholic?...No you where never Catholic allways Protestant.
@gtepp031387 The gospel of James says that Mary is perpetually virgin, But the book of Mathew says that "Joseph did not know Mary until after Jesus was Born" Anyway look some of this crazy books are not even accepted by the Catholic church.
@medusa210562 I hope you know that the Pope never asked anyone to burn another at the stake, only Protestants ordered this. The church responded to these terrorist...I am sorry you take offence to this. By the way indulgences, though at times by certain individuals where done in a wrong way, is a completely sound doctrin or please explain how Mosses and Elijah where in heaven if not for the indulgence of Christ?
@gtepp031387 There is a little bible study I don't have the time to find the texts. Elijah was taken to heaven he didn't die. and Moses if you read the book of Jude I think it talks about God and satan disputing for the body of Moses. Yes Moses was raised at some time. Buy the way Enoch also is up there you can easily read that he didn't die like every one else but was taken up there, God chose to take them I don't see where indungence comes into it, You cannot pay for favors.
@medusa210562 Sry but my bible reads that no one can come to the father but through Christ, and through his sacrifice, to say that the sacrifice was not indulged onto Mosses and Enock and Elijah and that they somehow made it to heaven without Christ is completley heretical.
@gtepp031387 I didn't say they made it to heaven without the sacrifice of Jesus. Indulgences that were wrong was when the pope asked for denaris in exchange for heaven.
@medusa210562 The Pope never asked for money for indulgences, this was NEVER ok, though some Catholic ministers did this, it was NEVER approved by the church.
Jesus wore a similar garb as the Pope, would you not be his friend becaues he doesn't wear a suit?
@medusa210562 Sry the teaching never ANATHEMAs anyone for not being Catholic, what it does is ANATHEMAs thoses who teach lies like symbolic eucharist. According to the definition of the church at Vatican 2 Protestant are part of the church, just laking the full truth, of course many Protestant have Anathemaed themselves by teaching lies and twisting scripture.
@medusa210562 I would also like ton tell you a few things.1 The church acknowedges the sighns one is in heaven, it waits and looks for proof. 2 The Catholic church actually teaches that "there is no salvation outside the church" This means that without some of the truth that comes from the church, no one can be saved becaues the church is the "pillar and foundation of truth" we however acknowledge that those outside of the Catholic church have some of the ruth that comes from it and can be saved
@gtepp031387 sorry I don't believe you know the true about this, If you are not catholic you are ANATHEMA, I think that is the big ugly word they use. I know it is not something they discuss freely with their nice simple church members.
@medusa210562 We also teach that those "through no faul of there own" that did not come to know Christ( for instance children and infants who die) can be saved by indulgence becaues GOD is just and fair and merciful and "all things are possible with GOD".
We did not alter the commadments, in fact if anyone can be accused of this it is the Protestants. But as I stated before we both have the raw material in our bibles we just seperate them different.
@medusa210562 4 You obiously have never read the concordant as there is nothing in it that says anything wrong, it was sighned long before the war ever took place and was an attemt to try to stop hostilities in an inviroment of growing hostilities. In fact the Pope saved more Jews then any other ruler at that time, more Jews where saved in Italy that any other place. The Jews after the war gave the Pope the star of David(the highest honor the Jews can give).
@gtepp031387 I am not catholic, I therefore believe that there have been good popes. Although the popacy institution it self being totally against God. I remember from social Italian history, When Mussolini fell, there was freedom of religion. But while Mussolini was there there was a church of state, (Catholicism) and all the other protestant churchs were persetuted, there were even imprisonments.
@medusa210562 The commadments if you wished to could be seperated into 50, depending on how you divide them. The protestant churches(4 the most part)skip "I am the LORD your GOD" and start with "You shall have no other GODs before me" the Catholics do not, the same with the Jews and the original Protestants(Lutherans). The second commadment to ther Jews is "You shall not have Idols" the Catholics see this covered under "You shall have no other GODs before me" same thing! Niether forbid images
@godislove633 Never is it ever said that it is wrong to have a statue, infact the LORD used and ordered statues to be put on his holy ark, and in his holy temple, Mosses used them as well. It is only wrong to worship a statue.
Amen brother!!! I am a Catholic and I wholeheartedly agree with you.
I was doing a rosary couple months ago after I was saved (I figured I needed to pray and one prayer I knew was doing the rosary.) and guess what? God showed me how this evil spirit in form of a woman climbing up from below by holding onto the rosary. I was helping this demonic spirit come up by rotating my rosary.
@mspsys Wow, amen. That sounds so true to me, exactly in accordance with what I have learned through study and prayer. Well-meaning Catholics are praying to a devil that goes by the name 'Mary' but is by no means the blessed saint of God. I wonder if you will remain Catholic? You will certainly encounter a lot of opposition there. God bless you, I'll pray for you.
@Enoch2 The strangest command from God was that I remain a Catholic. I seriously doubted if that voice who was telling me to remain a Catholic was really from God. Then one day, I heard Rev. David Wilkerson's prophecy about 500,000 Catholics. It's the second portion of his "Vision" sermon on youtube.
I laughed hilariously because I realized that if I were to leave the church, God would have to go find another Catholic to fill that 500,000.
I thought Id share also in Jeremiah how God has pre-exposed the evil of those of the Catholic faith that pray to Mary. It is well known that they call her the Queen of Heaven and its known among true believers that she and many other unbiblical Catholic traditions are parallel to the pagan religions practiced prior to the creation of Catholicism. Jeremiah 44:15-28 shows how her ancient followers burned incence to her as well and chose her over the correction brought through God's prophet.
@coialenaministries Thats good but you are rebelling against the many Catholic doctrines that introduce praying to Saints, angels, Mary, as well as many other fallacies. I tell you there is nothing more safe than simply be faithful to God and His Kingdom apart from ANY religion. Even the term Christian is losing its once sincere meaning...its becoming a religious term associated with some wicked beliefs that are unbiblical. Truly its time for religion to be made less and God's Kingdom, more.
Praying to Mary is Idolatry. Mark 3:33, "And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brothers?" In that and the surrounding passages is all that is needed. Take it from one that was Catholic. It's wrong and manmade doctrine.
@atlanteavila Prayer to the Father, through our Lord Jesus Christ, in the power of the Holy Spirit.. Intercessory prayer; "Pray in the Spirit at all times and on every occasion. Stay alert and be persistent in your prayers for all believers everywhere." Eph 6v18
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1Tim 2v5
@TheKathleenBean So then would you say that Jesus and his body are seperated then? Becaues his body is the holy Saints, do you think that when you pray to Jesus he has no body?...You need to read John 17:20-26 and see that the holy Saints and Jesus are one, with him where he is. We pray to Mary as part of the body of Christ, along with the other parts of his body. Holy body of Christ pray for these lost souls.
@gtepp031387 We don't pray to the Body of Christ, we pray to the HEAD of the Body, Jesus Christ Himself. What you wrote is a doctrine of devils.
"Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God." Col 2:19
@Enoch2 Sry you can not seperate Christ from his body anymore then you can seperate the humanity from the divinity of Christ. And to even suggest such a thing is just the work of Satan. Thus when Paul was persucuting the holy body Jesus did not say why are you persecuting my followers, or my body, but simply and plainly, "Why are you persecuting me?"( Acts 9:4)
@gtepp031387 You don't pray to Christians, you pray to Christ. All Christians together are not The LORD, and it is blasphemy to suggest otherwise. Christians are together the Bride of Christ.
As for your example about Paul, Paul himself testified that he persecuted "this way" (Acts 22:4)--not Christians for their own sake. Who is the Way? Jesus Christ (John 14:6, Acts 22:8).
There's one mediator and it's not the Body and Bride of Christ, it's THE MAN Christ Jesus (1 Tim 2:5).
@Enoch2 Teckinically if we both have the spirit in us, then we are praying to each other right now. As prayer is a conversation with GOD, and if we have the spirit then part of us is GOD, and we are praying to each other right now.
Don't get your refference.
Sry you can not seperate a man from his body that is just sillyness. The holy Saints are one with and in Jesus, given the glory the father gave him(John 17:20-26). Wether yoiu like it or not when you pray to Jesus the Saints are there.
@gtepp031387 No, we are not praying to each other, I am praying to God alone. I will pray FOR you though, that you will believe the Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4 plus nothing). I can see that you don't understand that Jesus is an actual person, and He, the individual man, in whom the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily, is seated on the throne of God. I am not Jesus, you are not Jesus, Mary is not Jesus, the Church is not Jesus, and the Rcc by and large doesn't even have a clue about Jesus.
@Enoch2 Jesus is in me, part of me is Jesus, I was baptized into his life and death, where you not? Jesus' very body is the holy Saints, why do you try to seperate Jesus from his body, sounds like the work of satan to me. The catholic church gave you the bible and is the church from which you came from, how about a little respect for your mother.
@gtepp A husband is the head of his wife, which makes the wife her husband's body. But this is spiritual, not physical, because obviously a woman has her own body, and so does her husband. So the true church, those individuals who have personally trusted in Christ's death for their own sins, his burial, and His resurrection the third day for their justification, are collectively the Body and BRIDE of Christ. But they are not CHRIST, any more than a man's wife is the man himself. Read Eph 5:23.
@Enoch2 Sry but my flesh died when I was baptized, did it not for you? "My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me."....."Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?"
@Enoch2 The bible also invokes us to ask the angles and Saints to praise and bless the LORD. Jesus himself tell us of the intercession of angles in heaven, and rev shows us the angles and Saints offering our prayers to GOD. Not to mention the holy body of Christ, has confessed since the begging the intercession of Saints and angles in heaven.
@gtepp031387 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. Eph 4 ...ye shall ask in my name: John 16 ...And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, John 14 I see Christ as the head of the church(per scripture) and asking in HIS name, not Mary's (per scripture) Christ's physical body was raised - the church is also referred to as the body-. The Bible I hold never mentions to "pray to Mary" ever.. it's always in Christ Jesus never Mary.
@TheKathleenBean Jesus name huh..do you think that means the letters J-E-S-U-S ...I got news for you the letter are not right as you say it. Rather praying in the name of Jesus means to pray in the meaning of the name not the letters, meaning My GOD who helps who saves who is my salvation. Sry but your bible has been so minipulated and is missing so much content, It is more like a quran then a bible.
@gtepp031387 "The Body Of Christ" - Is no more Christ's literal body (I'm not a toe I'm a child of God - although my giftings in the workings of the body may be that of a toe) than speaking out J.E.S.U.S. as some magical word.. (although there is by no other name one can be saved) When He is my Lord & God my Father, I ask the Father- in the name of Christ my petitions, intercedings, by the power of the Holy Spirit. I just do not see how Mary is involved. You inquired me on this, I'm answering.
@TheKathleenBean The body of Christ is Christ body,I don't understand what you are on about.When Paul was persecuting the Christains Christ did not say,"why are you persecuting my followers" but "Why are you persecuting ME" Sry the holy Saints are one with and in Jesus with him where he is, just as the father is one with Jesus(John 17:20-26).So is Jesus not literally one with the father? It is impossible to say you believe in Christ and reject the apostles,(his body) such talk is ridiculus.
@gtepp031387 When the children of God are being persecuted, it is persecuting Him. When someone hurts my children, it's like hurting me.. We are His. I do not reject the apostles at all.. I just do not deem them as gods. They were saved just as I am saved.. Christ Jesus is our hope, our Salvation. He died on the cross for my sin debt - Paul didn't.. Paul even says not to say you are a follower of him, or of this man or that.. but to Christ Jesus be the glory forever and ever.. amen!
@TheKathleenBean The apostles in the flesh where evil men, but in the sprit they are the holy body of Christ, and you can not say you reject the thier teachings and say you accept Jesus. I believe Jesus told them when they where commisioned something alone the lines of If they don't accept you, then niether do they accept me. Jesus gave them all authority to bind and loose, to reject there bindings and loosings is to reject Jesus....They bound a phisyical church with phsyical hiearchy.
@gtepp There is nothing good in a Christian but the Spirit of Christ (Rom 7:18). So you don't pray to another creature, you pray to God. A Christian has the Spirit so he prays in the Spirit to God. He has to have his own faith, a church can't have faith for him, Mary or the saints can't have faith for him, the pope can't have faith for him.
We still live in a body of death (Rom 7), having sin.
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1Jn 1:8
@g The saints are not part of GOD. Hinduism says that all their many gods are really aspects of the one God. And in this way they make a counterfeit monotheism out of their polytheism.
If you read Jn 17 carefully you will see that God The Father is in The Son and The Son in The Father. Then, all believers are 1, with Christ in them and they in Him. God the Father is in the saints through Christ but not apart from His mediation. So there is no way to God through saints, but only through Christ.
@Enoch2 "The saints are not part of GOD"...Sry my friend if you believe you are not becoming one with and in Jesus you will surley die for "no one has gone up into heaven, save he who came down out of heaven"(John 3:13)..If you are going to go into heaven you must become the one that came down. ..As far as you interpritation of John 17 I find it to be contridictory to the text.
@gtepp "FOR WHO MAKETH THEE TO DIFFER FROM ANOTHER? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?" 1 Cor 4:6-7, my emphasis
Praying to a saint is praying to that aspect of them that makes them different from another saint--and this aspect is not Christ in them, since He is ever the same (Heb 13:8).
So whenever you would pray to Mary rather than saint so-and-so, this is proof that you are praying to flesh.
The reason I write this to you is because praying to flesh will result in strong holds of idolatry being formed in your mind, and since you have not come to Christ through faith to be saved, then even devil possession can result. Paul said, "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing" Rom 7:18a, so if you pray to flesh you are praying to something in which there dwells no good thing. You are in damnable heresy and serious danger, and I urge you to seek repentance.
@TheKathleenBean By the way the name of the son is actually Yeshua, so if you confessing it is in the letter and not in the meaning, your using the wrong name.
@gtepp031387 I just didn't say it was in the letter.. My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.. Messiah, Son of the living God. The Word made flesh. He is I AM. He knows who He is and who I'm addressing..
@TheKathleenBean So then he knows who your adressing even if you use a different name? Does he know who your adressing also if you adress his body too? ...You see your arguments are hipocritical, at least from my perspective.
Maryology will get a person nowhere. Just like Bal worship or the worship of Moleck these are false gods. Jesus Christ is The only way !
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i remember Enoch, when i was 16 being very* drawn to the catholic church, and took instruction from a priest, learnt the prayers in latin etc, but towards the end it was this issue about Mary, whom i should pray, that i could not continue, thus to say the young priests were perplexed in my decision
gracetalks04 2 months ago
i don't see what is wrong with remembering great Christians, if it is true that the good they do is Christ working in them. honoring them is honoring Christ and praying to Christ in them is not a lessening of the worship of God, it is the praise of his works.
Works101abel 3 months ago
The real reason protestants down play to roll of Mary is that they don't like the idea that anyone was every a better christian then them.
Works101abel 4 months ago
@Works101abel Well, I'm not really a Protestant, and no doubt Mary was a better Christian than me! But you don't pray to Christians, even the very best of them.
"I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing." 2 Cor 12:11
Enoch2 4 months ago
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Works101abel 4 months ago
I don't believe you must belong to a certain denomination to be a true christian,I don't judge your heart, only God can do that, but this life is not easy. "IF YOU BREAK ONE OF THE LIST OF THE COMMANDMENTS YOU HAVE BROKEN THEM ALL". I suffered for the catholic church from when I was a little boy, my grandmother tough me to pray, but it was all "mea culpa mea culpa mea culpa"Matthew 23:4 "my fault my guilt my mistake" I lived the dark ages myself, MYSELF, But JESUS IS BEAUTIFUL. God bless
medusa210562 5 months ago
sry should read the Pope ordered no one be killed during the inquisitions.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
I don't talk to people that ware funny clothes with the purpose to look different then me. Jesus didn't do that, he wore fisherman clothes. I am talking here with a simple language and attitude of an eight year old boy. I am doing that for a reason. I know millions know what I am saying. Somethings are incredibly simple. I was a catholic in the south of Italy, There are for examples hundreds of different Madonnas. The black one, the one holding a chains, the one with wings. etc etc IDOLATRY
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 The simple truth is that you where teaching that saints on earth are the same as Saints in heaven, Jesus makes this very clear that the greatest st on earth is lower then the least of those in heaven. I rebuked you with the infallible words of our LORD and savior and you still will not listen. I am now pleading that you repent retract this lie and came back to the faith.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 yes the least saint in heaven is greater then the greatest saint on earth. I agree with you, non the less that is no basis for creating saints, canonizing saints, making doctrines that glorify them. I would say Enoch is a saint. So what that is all, I would say that the converts of Christianity are saints. Only God really knows the hearts of man, I cannot decide is Mary Mckilop is a saint or not and categorize her, no man can do that. If they think they can it is a SIN. A SIN A SIN
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 Actuall the church awaits the sighns that one is in heaven and accepts them when they come, it is GOD that cannonizes the Saints. And by the way Jesus gave all authority to bind and loose to his apostles, and the apostles gave this authority to the bishops they put over the churches like Timothy and Clement, whatever they bind on earth is therfore bound in heaven.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 I bind you for not wanting to be honest.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 By the way the glory that the father gave to the son, the son gave to his holy body, that is, the holy saints, (John 17:20-26) Yet I do not believe that saints that are not completley sanctifed and made into (completley) the body of Christ are do glory as they have not yet become(fully) one with and in him.Yet once they do they have the glory that the father gave the son. Glory, honor, respect, but not worship never worship. GOD aone is good, and he alone can do all things.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 When we are converted and give our life to God you make our life holy, Holy means set aside for God. Saint means holy. HALL THIS DOCTRINE ABOUT SUPPER SAINTS, Is A CATHOLIC INVENTION. John 17:20 applyes to me I am a saint. When I was 12 the priest told me to pray 5 hail Marys, as opposed to 4 for the previous Sunday and I said to him "HOW CAN ONE EXTRA HAIL MARY MAKE A DIFFERENCE?" I was 12 and I understood their satanic doctrines, and you don't?
medusa210562 5 months ago
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medusa210562 5 months ago
I don't take offense. The dark ages were there. It would take 1000 books to say all bout this.
medusa210562 5 months ago
I was a catholic, I know how I felt funny from a young age about, big churches with statues of Superhumans. The bible has nothing about SPECIAL HUMAN SAINTS.Saint was just how the church members were called. e g. "the saints of Thessaloniki" or whatever. This superhuman saint concept is completely catholic , the saint are church members, that is all. Priest that cannot marry. Sex only for conception. The Pope infallibility. Selling of indulgences to rise money for st. peter cupola. etc etc etc.
medusa210562 5 months ago
I was a catholic, I know how I felt funny from a young age about, big churches with statues of Superhumans. The bible has nothing about SPECIAL HUMAN SAINTS.Saint was just how the church members were called. e g. "the saints of Thessaloniki" or whatever. This superhuman saint concept is completely catholic , the saint are church members, that is all. Priest that cannot marry. Sex only for conception. The Pope infallibility. Selling of indulgences to rise money for st. peter cupola.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 BTW in the Latin Rite there are some Married priest, it is only a practise not a dogam. In fact the church just welcomed back about 100 married clergy from the Angelican church and placed them in the Latin rite.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 Good
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Jennavicia100 6 months ago
I always wondered why, Catholics prayed to Mary instead of Jesus. In order to get to God we have to go through Jesus. Thanks for the info
Jennavicia100 6 months ago
@Jennavicia100 We pray to Jesus every hour of every day. Tell me how can you seperate what GOD has put together? Mary and Jesus are one (John 17:20-26) stop seperating what GOD has joined.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387 Please tell me where in the Bible it says that we should pray through Mary as our intercessor. That verse you gave me doesn't prove anything (John 14:6, 7 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.") And Jesus rarely called her mother according to the bible, he called her woman. Yes she is his mother and we can ..
Jennavicia100 6 months ago
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@Jennavicia100 John 17:20-26 states that Mary and Jesus are one, she is with and in him, WITH HIM WHERE HE IS..wether you like it or not Mary is there when you pray to Jesus.
Paul states that intercession should be made for all. Jesus tells us the Angles interceed for us. John shows us the picture of heaven where Saints and angles interceed for us and offer our prayers to GOD.
The reason Jesus reffers to her as woman is to forfill Genesis, since she is the new Eve just as he is the new Adam
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387 acknowledge her for being his mother and being the chosen one to give birth to our Savior but I'm just asking why do you have to go through Mary so she can pray to God so pray for our sins , when it clearly states in John 14"6,7 that we have to go through Jesus, He is the only way period. I'm just saying.
Jennavicia100 6 months ago
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@Jennavicia100 "John 14"6,7 that we have to go through Jesus"
Yep and according to John 17:20-26 Mary and Jesus are one, and so is everyone that truley believes....Is it wrong to ask you to pray for me, or ask you for help?, of course I know that you can "do nothing on your own" and understand that even Mary must be WITH Jesus to do anything.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
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@Jennavicia100 "acknowledge her for being his mother and being the chosen one to give birth to our Savior"
And you should acknowledge her also as your mother, "son behold your mother" and Rev goes on to say that Mary is the mother of all those that follow Jesus, the ark of the new covenate.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387( maybe in those days woman was a term as respect, I don't know) Spiritual relatives and Blood relatives and that spiritual relatives outranked blood relatives, and he stated without apology that "'My mother and my brothers are those people who hear and obey God's message (Luke 8:20-21)."
Jennavicia100 6 months ago
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@Jennavicia100 My case is very simple, Mary is one with and in Jesus, a part of his very body, connected to the tree of life, mother to all who believe, with Jesus where he is....can the hand say to the foot I do not need you?
gtepp031387 6 months ago
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@gtepp031387 I am the same person of the Jennavicia100 account, I just created a new account i forgot the password. but Please tell me where in the Bible it says that we should pray through Mary as our intercessor. That verse you gave me doesn't prove anything (John 14:6, 7 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.")
UNDEFINEDLOVE1 6 months ago
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@gtepp031387 And Jesus rarely called her mother according to the bible, he called her woman. Yes she is his mother and we can ..acknowledge her for being his mother and being the chosen one to give birth to our Savior but I'm just asking why do you have to go through Mary so she can pray to God so pray for our sins , when it clearly states in John 14"6,7 that we have to go through Jesus, He is the only way period. I'm just saying.
UNDEFINEDLOVE1 6 months ago
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@gtepp031387 ( maybe in those days woman was a term as respect, I don't know) Spiritual relatives and Blood relatives and that spiritual relatives outranked blood relatives, and he stated without apology that "'My mother and my brothers are those people who hear and obey God's message (Luke 8:20-21)."
UNDEFINEDLOVE1 6 months ago
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Jennavicia100 6 months ago
Amen! Yahweh bless you! If only my fellow Italian ''Christians'' would see that having statues all around their homes of Mary is wrong and evil, I pray they will. Open their eyes God in Yeshua's name.
Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
godislove633 6 months ago
@godislove633 Sorry but there is nothing wrong with having a statue, you have been lead greatly astray, do not listen to these false modern teachers.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387 with respect, I have to greatly disagree 200 %, I listen to God the Holy spirit and its wrong to have a statue of Mary and worship it and turn to it for comfort and pray to it. God bless you.
godislove633 6 months ago
@godislove633 Catholics do not worship Images, never have, never will. "Worship is for GOD alone" ~Infallible Dogma from the head of the temperal church(The Pope).
Anyone who says Mary can do anything one her own, I will rebuke him. Anyone, like you, that trys to seperate Mary from Christ(which is against scripture John 17:20-26) I will rebuke him too. We pray to Mary as part of the very body of Christ, one with and in him, with him where he is.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387 you can rebuke me, its okay. Im a daughter of Yahweh . Have a blessed day.
godislove633 6 months ago
@godislove633 So you believe that statues of and by themselves are evil and against GOD? So then the statues on the ark are evil and against GOD then? What about in the holy temple in Jerusalem?
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387 have you ever read exodus 20 and compared with the catholic 10 commandments. I was a catholic, the fact that they took one comandament out and devided another in 2 so that the number could ammount to 10 was enough for me to live the cathlic church.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 Intresting that the Jews have the 1st Commadment as "I am the LORD your GOD" so do the Catholics, so do the original Protestants(Lutherans)... well modern Protestants have the first commadment as "You shall have no other GODs before me"...hummm so who changed the commandments?...You need to study before you speak.....But in niether side have the commadments been remove just seperated different, what has been removed are 7 books from the holy bible by you Protestans.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 All I know is that the first commandment reads.“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before[a] me." And again the Catholics omitted one commandment Exodus 20:4&5 and divided the last Exodus 17 in 2. So the total could be 10.
I was 12 years old when I could not sleep because of this realization. have I been wrong all this time please enlighten me.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 ACTUALLY DON'T TALK TO ME AT ALL. HOW CAN WE DISCUSS ANYTHING BY USING THE BIBLE WHEN CATHOLICS DON'T BELIEVE THE BIBLE ALONE IS ENOUGH. THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN "SOLA SCRITTURA." So how can we discuss anything. Again how can we discuss anything? We cannot. Anything you quote to me from the Bible can be superseded by the "FATHERS"
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 The Catholics gave you the bible smart one! We believe in it very much, however Sola scriptura is a word for word contridiction of the holy text "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, WETHER BY WORD OF MOUTH, OR OUR EPISTLE." 2 Thes 2:15 "The church of the living GOD(not the bible is) THE PILLAR AND FOUNDATION OF TRUTH" 1 Timothy 3:15
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 The church was the millions of people who were burned on the stake. The church was people who loved God. etc etc. when Jesus came the church was some Fishermen. I believe the catholic church to be the worst of all religious powers that ever was. The church must walk in accordance with the bible. Not the other way around. This must be so because we cannot trust man. That is way the bible was given. Acts 17: 10-12
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 "The church was the millions of people who were burned on the stake."
Yep and who is the only church leader that ordered people to be burned at the stake?
"Heretics are not to be disputed with, but to be condemned unheard,and whilst they perish by fire(burn at stake),the faithful ought to pursue the evil to its source,and bathe their heads in the blood of the Catholic bishops, and of the Pope, who is the devil in disguise."~Martin Luther the founder and leader of Protestantism.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 I don't follow martin luther. The church was peple burned at the stake because they were true to themself. People who protested against indulgences. people who wanted to read the bible. etc etc.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 this way of thinking is one very close step away from persecution. Because then you have to tell me which is this church. The church is the one that fallows His word.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 "this way of thinking is one very close step away from persecution. Because then you have to tell me which is this church"
This way of thinking? You mean actually following what the bible says?....lol...The true church has never been hiding it's been clear in the open for the last 2,000 years. "Wherever Jesus is there is the Catholic church" and "Whoever opposes the bishop does in reality serve the devil" ~ St Ignatius of Antioch 80-107 A.D. ordained bishop by Peter.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 Jesus is my bishop not you or any other man.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 Jesus left Bishops, he gave them authority, I am sooy you feel like it's ok to not follow who Jesus left in charge.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 The 12 apostle were dresses like fisherman, I cannot prove it. So when you and I are in heaven we can make a bet, We will ask them, I am sure they didn't were all this idolatrous closes the Pope and all his mates are wearing now.
medusa210562 5 months ago
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gtepp031387 5 months ago
@medusa210562 The modern protestants have changed the word Idol to "graven Image" but if graven Images are a commandment on there own then you must kill your self as you are in the Image of GOD, you can not use your computer either or have a house as it is an image of something else on earth, really when you think about it the modern protestants have made a commandent that no one can keep. The correct word is "IDOL", meaning something you place above GOD.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my Commandments. exodus 20:4-6 I really don't know what you are on about. THIS IS IT.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 "You shall not make for yourself an Idol"...An Idol is something you place above GOD. Has the Catholic church ever placed anything above GOD? NO!!!
"You shall not bow down to them(idols)or worship them" Does the Catholic church bow in worship to anyone but GOD? NO!!! "WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE"~ Infallible Dogma fromThe Pope Do we bow in repect and honor to others? YES!!! Is bowing in respect and honor approved throughout the bible? YES!!! Would you like me to prove this?
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 The catholic church has make itself an idol, just by not letting exodus 20"4-6 just the way it is. I used to play the clarinet as a little boy in catholic processions in the south of Italy. I saw people on their knees until blood was visible. I would not want that kind of bowing toward me. Any think that makes a human better then another human is worship
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 Sry bowing is not worship and the bible even says to give honor to whom honor is do(Romans 13:7). By the way Exodus 20 4-6 is in my bible just the way it is. And according to Jesus "Love your neighbor as yourself"(Mark 12:31) is the second commadment.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 I like these comments about Exodus and Mark 12. Amen. About worship. I believe you know in your heart there is a fine line between honor and worship. I believe we agree. Teenagers honor the queen these days, but worship Michael Jackson. Now you know in your heart. If I met the Pope for example I would simply ask him, why are you not wearing a suit and you are wearing all this funny clothes, You know the fine line in your heart brother.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 My brother. I just would like to tell a few things I don't like about the catholic church. CANONIZATION = a human invention. EXCLUSIVITY IN SALVATION. yes you cannot be saved unless you are catholic. (did you know that yourself?) THE ALTERING OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS. The only part of the bible written with the hand of God. THE CONCORDAT, yes these were the agreements between the pope and Mussolini. If you study these you know The pope is supported by Satan himself. WORSHIP OF SAINTS
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 ~ Albert Einstein who, disenchanted by the silence of universities and editors of newspapers, stated in Time magazine (December 23, 1940) "Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. …The Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom."
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@medusa210562 The day after his election (March 3, 1939), the Nazi newspaper, Berliner Morganpost stated its position clearly: "the election of Cardinal Pacelli is not accepted with favor in Germany because he was always opposed to Nazism."
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@medusa210562 The New York Times editorial (December 25, 1942) was specific: "The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas...He is about the only ruler left on the Continent of Europe who dares to raise his voice at all."
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@medusa210562 "I do insist on the certainty that sooner or later—once we hold power—Christianity will be overcome and the German church, without a Pope and without the Bible, and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing.” - ADOLF HITLER ...Hitler was a Protestant who followed the teaching of Martin Luther espeaically his views on the Jews...ever read Martin Luthers "the Jews and there lies"...you should he is the one that started your church after all.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 whatever this crazy Martin Luther believed, he had to hide from the pope soldiers. some of friends were burned at the stake. I would not burn a catholic for not believing what I believe.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 "Heretics are not to be disputed with, but to be condemned unheard, and whilst they perish by fire(burn at the stake or inside the church he just lit on fire), the faithful ought to pursue the evil to its source, and bathe their heads in the blood of the Catholic bishops,and of the Pope, who is the devil in disguise." ~ Martin Luther...I am sorry you take offence that the Catholic church responded to these terrosist, the church let the law deal with them, they did not kill them.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 what about the Waldensians. Were they not killed. What about thousands of witched, so to speak "witches", Wasn't is Galileo Galilei, that had fear for his life telling the church, that the hearth moves. By the way if you have a book of multilingual quotes, the words of Galileo were, "e pur si muove" older italian " eppur si muove" you can just google it.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 Problems I have with Protestantism
1) There church was started by a complete lunitic I mean study what Martin Luther taught.
2) Jesus took bread and said "This IS my body"..and Protesants say it is not his body
3) Jesus took wine and said "This IS my blood"...and Protestants say it is not his blood.
4) Protestants teach that one is justified by faith ALONE yet the Bible says "See how a person is justifed by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE" James 2:24
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 You are completely right on point number 4 about faith and works. But of course you cannot blame the protestants for going overboard because they knew how Catholicism believed is the merits of human efforts so much they practiced self flagellation and selling of indulgences.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 This is the authoritative teaching of the Catholic church
CANON I(council of trent authoritative and binding on all Christians).-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@medusa210562 "Martin Luther believed, he had to hide from the pope soldiers. some of friends were burned at the stake"..sry to disapoint but it was Martin Luther who was burning Catholics at the stake and teaching others to do the same, the church of couse answered these terrosists I am sry you take offence to that. The Protestant revolution startted with the burning of Catholic churches sometimes with people in them here listen to Martin Luthers Protestant teachings....cont...
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@medusa210562 5 Protestants say Baptism is not necessary for salvation yet Jesus says "He who believes AND is baptized will be saved" Mark 16:16 and Peter says "Baptism that now saves you" 1 Peter 3:21
6 Protestants belive they can personally interprite holy scripture and prophisy yet the bible says "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:20
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 I believe baptism is necessary. I also believe baptism starts with a desition. YOU cannot buptize little children. Baptism is not a magic formula. The prophecy is not to be interpreted we must let the bible interpret it self. You or the pope cannot interpret it for me.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 7 Protestants have removed 7 initire books from the scripture the apostles used.
8 Protestants do not confess there sins to there brothers though the bible says "Confess your sins to one another ...so that you might be healed" James 5:16
9 Protestant believe it is ok for a woman to teach and to have authority over a man yet the bible says "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man" 1 Timothy 2:12..ect the list could go on and on.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 You confess you sins to one another when this sins concern the other. I cannot tell my brother, for example "I am watching pornography" This could could be detrimental for my brother. But I confess my sins to Him if I have offended my brother.
medusa210562 5 months ago
Respond to this video... this statement of Paul is not equivalent to the 10 commandments. I am sure I could find hundreds of advices like that. For example the law of Moses is incredibly full of good advice. Nonetheless the law of Moses was written in the scroll but the 10 commandments were written in the stone inside the ark and written with the hand of God.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 The ten commadments and all the law is forfilled by LOVE, LOVE forfills the law including the commadments.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 I agree, really
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 There is a big differenece between saints on earth and Saints in heaven. As Jesus says
"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Matthew 11:1....either Prots are just completely ignorant of this verse of just reject it either way the Catholic churchs stand on Saints in heaven is scripturaly correct.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 Here Jesus was saying that in heaven hierarchy is not in human terms, that is all. To canonize someone and elevate them higher and higher and higher. Is a human invention. In direct opposition to the law in exodus.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 I will ask you for one authorittative teaching from the church(ecumentical council or letter from the Pope that says to kill anyone) or I would ask you stop posting propaganda! There where bad men in the church yes, just as there are today there actions where never approved by the church!
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 I believe there are good christian Catholics. Nonetheless because she has not fundamentally changed. She is still the same. Mary for example is a human being, blessed and all the rest, But still she needed to be redeemed like you and I. This is very very very basic. The opposite is a sin.
It is simple when Catholicism had power, she burned me at the stake. When I am free I don't burn anyone at the stake. I just say what I want. The catholic church is dressed in sheep's clothing.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 It is simple all right, you are either an ignorant poster of propaganda or a striaght liar. The church has never taught it is ok to kill Protestants. The authoritative teaching of the church is wide in the open, you can look up every cannon from every ecumentical council that the church ever held, there is no such teaching, you can look up just about every letter from the Pope from the last 10 centuries,there is no such teaching.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 Inquisitions, crusades, of course times have changed. But the catholic doctrines have not changes
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 The Pope ordered no one be hurt during the inquisistion, the crusades where necessary war, or we would all be muslems. The Catholic doctrins are all sound.
Why in the world would you be against the office of Peter?
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 The office of Peter. Peter was never the corner stone, Jesus was. And if there was such office my church has it. I have all the right not to believe, what I was toght as a child, 1) to pray to another human being.2)to increase the number of prayers according to the number of sins I have committed as prescribed by the priest.3) To build statues to honor people, not for what they have achieved, but because they have attained some super state of being. (idolatry)
medusa210562 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 4) to accept 10 comandaments that needed one of them (number 10) to be devided into 2, So they would not ammount to 9 but to 10. 5) To follow a church that was the church of state during Mussolini, while there was (officially) no freedom of religion. If you studies Italian civic History you would find that when Mussolini fell, freedom of religion was introduced. Did you know that untill 1905 castraty tenors were not allowed to marry by catholicism, Altough they were allowed to sing
medusa210562 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Form the year 300 to about 1400 the atrocities of the catholic church are tremendous. I grew uh up in the south of Italy so I have seen with my eyes a mini version of the dark ages. I could write a book my self. Like the mafia pinning money on the Madonna, And people doing pilgrimages allover the world to witness prodigious signs. Like saints bleeding etc etc. I believe firmly with all my intellect the catholic church is the historical Antichrist.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 You are free to follow Satan, but it will condemm you to hell.
We have covered all the other stuff that you have posted at lease twice, and you have not produced a single authoritative teaching from the church that is wrong, or said to kill anyone. Unless you have something to offer to the table that we have no discussed, good by and may the grace of GOD lead you home.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 I would like to encourage all people that I have been talking to, on the internet. To see "Catholicism vs Biblical Faith" posted by formeragnostic. The ex priest who talks there is definitly on an arrogant anticatholic but a true Christian.
medusa210562 4 months ago
@medusa210562 You have no authority to bind and loose that was only given to the apostles, and the apostles only gave it to there sucessores.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 These sussesion is only spiritual.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 The simple truth is that you are a hipocrite, as the founder and leader of your church, taught to kill and burn Catholics at the stake(in well documented authentic letters from his hand). A Protestant minister is responsible for starting the KKK(one of there modos is "the only way to save a Catholic is to kill em") The Protestant church labled the native Americans with the title "red devils" nearly hunting them to extinction...please study before you speak.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 I don't have anything against any individuals Catholics or protestant. I am against papacy as an entity.
medusa210562 5 months ago
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medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 Saints are the body of Christ, we look to there example, we do not believe they are better then us, they where blessed men by the grace of GOD and allowed this grace to work in them, we only want to remember what the grace of GOD has done, and what we can do if we simply let the grace do it's work. We honor and respect the spirit of truth that flowed from these blessed men and wemon.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 The saints are the people sitting in the church (building), They are simple the church. And from my point of view, because I definitely don't believe you must belong to a certain denomination to be saved. There are a lot of saints in the catholic church. Please don't talk to me about the "SAINTS" not such think. Enven the apostle before their last breath, humbly asked God forgiveness for their sins, In fact the closer you are to Jesus the more inefficient you see your self to be.
medusa210562 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Saints are the body of christ, You and me. Of course only God can read the heart. No such think as 'THE SAINTS" with big letters. Purely a catholic invention.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 Actually the church has 5 rites(original) the other 4 rites marry. It is only in the Latin rite where priests do not marry. The Catholic church has more married priest then any other Protestant denomination(barring perhaps the Lutherans), you are simply ignorant and understudied, and you claim to have been Catholic?...No you where never Catholic allways Protestant.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 Yes I was always protestants, on big issues
medusa210562 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 The gospel of James says that Mary is perpetually virgin, But the book of Mathew says that "Joseph did not know Mary until after Jesus was Born" Anyway look some of this crazy books are not even accepted by the Catholic church.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 I hope you know that the Pope never asked anyone to burn another at the stake, only Protestants ordered this. The church responded to these terrorist...I am sorry you take offence to this. By the way indulgences, though at times by certain individuals where done in a wrong way, is a completely sound doctrin or please explain how Mosses and Elijah where in heaven if not for the indulgence of Christ?
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 There is a little bible study I don't have the time to find the texts. Elijah was taken to heaven he didn't die. and Moses if you read the book of Jude I think it talks about God and satan disputing for the body of Moses. Yes Moses was raised at some time. Buy the way Enoch also is up there you can easily read that he didn't die like every one else but was taken up there, God chose to take them I don't see where indungence comes into it, You cannot pay for favors.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 Sry but my bible reads that no one can come to the father but through Christ, and through his sacrifice, to say that the sacrifice was not indulged onto Mosses and Enock and Elijah and that they somehow made it to heaven without Christ is completley heretical.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 I didn't say they made it to heaven without the sacrifice of Jesus. Indulgences that were wrong was when the pope asked for denaris in exchange for heaven.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 The Pope never asked for money for indulgences, this was NEVER ok, though some Catholic ministers did this, it was NEVER approved by the church.
Jesus wore a similar garb as the Pope, would you not be his friend becaues he doesn't wear a suit?
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@medusa210562 Sry the teaching never ANATHEMAs anyone for not being Catholic, what it does is ANATHEMAs thoses who teach lies like symbolic eucharist. According to the definition of the church at Vatican 2 Protestant are part of the church, just laking the full truth, of course many Protestant have Anathemaed themselves by teaching lies and twisting scripture.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@medusa210562 Clothes are a humand invention, i could seriously care less if the Pope wore a pink dress. This has no bearing on anything.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 so please tell the pope to ware a suit if he want to get along with me.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 I would also like ton tell you a few things.1 The church acknowedges the sighns one is in heaven, it waits and looks for proof. 2 The Catholic church actually teaches that "there is no salvation outside the church" This means that without some of the truth that comes from the church, no one can be saved becaues the church is the "pillar and foundation of truth" we however acknowledge that those outside of the Catholic church have some of the ruth that comes from it and can be saved
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 sorry I don't believe you know the true about this, If you are not catholic you are ANATHEMA, I think that is the big ugly word they use. I know it is not something they discuss freely with their nice simple church members.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 We also teach that those "through no faul of there own" that did not come to know Christ( for instance children and infants who die) can be saved by indulgence becaues GOD is just and fair and merciful and "all things are possible with GOD".
We did not alter the commadments, in fact if anyone can be accused of this it is the Protestants. But as I stated before we both have the raw material in our bibles we just seperate them different.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 I like this statement. I am not sure how true it is.Is it so simple or innocent children go through some kink of invented purgatory?
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 4 You obiously have never read the concordant as there is nothing in it that says anything wrong, it was sighned long before the war ever took place and was an attemt to try to stop hostilities in an inviroment of growing hostilities. In fact the Pope saved more Jews then any other ruler at that time, more Jews where saved in Italy that any other place. The Jews after the war gave the Pope the star of David(the highest honor the Jews can give).
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@gtepp031387 I am not catholic, I therefore believe that there have been good popes. Although the popacy institution it self being totally against God. I remember from social Italian history, When Mussolini fell, there was freedom of religion. But while Mussolini was there there was a church of state, (Catholicism) and all the other protestant churchs were persetuted, there were even imprisonments.
medusa210562 5 months ago
@medusa210562 We do not worship Saints, we respect and honor them. "worship is for GOD alone" ~ The Pope.
So basically you do not have a valid reason for not liking the Catholic church, you just do not like what you think the Catholic church is.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
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@medusa210562 The commadments if you wished to could be seperated into 50, depending on how you divide them. The protestant churches(4 the most part)skip "I am the LORD your GOD" and start with "You shall have no other GODs before me" the Catholics do not, the same with the Jews and the original Protestants(Lutherans). The second commadment to ther Jews is "You shall not have Idols" the Catholics see this covered under "You shall have no other GODs before me" same thing! Niether forbid images
gtepp031387 5 months ago
@godislove633 Never is it ever said that it is wrong to have a statue, infact the LORD used and ordered statues to be put on his holy ark, and in his holy temple, Mosses used them as well. It is only wrong to worship a statue.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
Amen brother!!! I am a Catholic and I wholeheartedly agree with you.
I was doing a rosary couple months ago after I was saved (I figured I needed to pray and one prayer I knew was doing the rosary.) and guess what? God showed me how this evil spirit in form of a woman climbing up from below by holding onto the rosary. I was helping this demonic spirit come up by rotating my rosary.
The scariest thing I ever saw in my life!!!
Catholics!!! Stop doing the rosary!!!!!
mspsys 7 months ago
@mspsys Wow, amen. That sounds so true to me, exactly in accordance with what I have learned through study and prayer. Well-meaning Catholics are praying to a devil that goes by the name 'Mary' but is by no means the blessed saint of God. I wonder if you will remain Catholic? You will certainly encounter a lot of opposition there. God bless you, I'll pray for you.
Enoch2 7 months ago
@Enoch2 The strangest command from God was that I remain a Catholic. I seriously doubted if that voice who was telling me to remain a Catholic was really from God. Then one day, I heard Rev. David Wilkerson's prophecy about 500,000 Catholics. It's the second portion of his "Vision" sermon on youtube.
I laughed hilariously because I realized that if I were to leave the church, God would have to go find another Catholic to fill that 500,000.
mspsys 7 months ago
I thought Id share also in Jeremiah how God has pre-exposed the evil of those of the Catholic faith that pray to Mary. It is well known that they call her the Queen of Heaven and its known among true believers that she and many other unbiblical Catholic traditions are parallel to the pagan religions practiced prior to the creation of Catholicism. Jeremiah 44:15-28 shows how her ancient followers burned incence to her as well and chose her over the correction brought through God's prophet.
jamlimited3 7 months ago
Just for the people who commented below: I am a catholic and I don't worship or pray to mary.
coialenaministries 7 months ago
@coialenaministries Thats good but you are rebelling against the many Catholic doctrines that introduce praying to Saints, angels, Mary, as well as many other fallacies. I tell you there is nothing more safe than simply be faithful to God and His Kingdom apart from ANY religion. Even the term Christian is losing its once sincere meaning...its becoming a religious term associated with some wicked beliefs that are unbiblical. Truly its time for religion to be made less and God's Kingdom, more.
jamlimited3 7 months ago
Great video, im glad we share the same views!
Angela
coialenaministries 7 months ago
An evil generation, when does a generation end? Are we not a new generation?
atlanteavila 8 months ago
Amen Brother!
MLove4Christ 8 months ago
Praying to Mary is Idolatry. Mark 3:33, "And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brothers?" In that and the surrounding passages is all that is needed. Take it from one that was Catholic. It's wrong and manmade doctrine.
Gruurk2 8 months ago
Absolutely! It's satanic.
MessiahYeshuah 8 months ago
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.. AMEN brother
TheKathleenBean 8 months ago
@TheKathleenBean So when you ask someone to pray for you, are you not following this truth?
atlanteavila 8 months ago
@atlanteavila Prayer to the Father, through our Lord Jesus Christ, in the power of the Holy Spirit.. Intercessory prayer; "Pray in the Spirit at all times and on every occasion. Stay alert and be persistent in your prayers for all believers everywhere." Eph 6v18
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1Tim 2v5
TheKathleenBean 8 months ago
@TheKathleenBean So then would you say that Jesus and his body are seperated then? Becaues his body is the holy Saints, do you think that when you pray to Jesus he has no body?...You need to read John 17:20-26 and see that the holy Saints and Jesus are one, with him where he is. We pray to Mary as part of the body of Christ, along with the other parts of his body. Holy body of Christ pray for these lost souls.
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@gtepp031387 We don't pray to the Body of Christ, we pray to the HEAD of the Body, Jesus Christ Himself. What you wrote is a doctrine of devils.
"Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God." Col 2:19
Enoch2 7 months ago
@Enoch2 Sry you can not seperate Christ from his body anymore then you can seperate the humanity from the divinity of Christ. And to even suggest such a thing is just the work of Satan. Thus when Paul was persucuting the holy body Jesus did not say why are you persecuting my followers, or my body, but simply and plainly, "Why are you persecuting me?"( Acts 9:4)
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@gtepp031387 You don't pray to Christians, you pray to Christ. All Christians together are not The LORD, and it is blasphemy to suggest otherwise. Christians are together the Bride of Christ.
As for your example about Paul, Paul himself testified that he persecuted "this way" (Acts 22:4)--not Christians for their own sake. Who is the Way? Jesus Christ (John 14:6, Acts 22:8).
There's one mediator and it's not the Body and Bride of Christ, it's THE MAN Christ Jesus (1 Tim 2:5).
Enoch2 7 months ago
@Enoch2 Teckinically if we both have the spirit in us, then we are praying to each other right now. As prayer is a conversation with GOD, and if we have the spirit then part of us is GOD, and we are praying to each other right now.
Don't get your refference.
Sry you can not seperate a man from his body that is just sillyness. The holy Saints are one with and in Jesus, given the glory the father gave him(John 17:20-26). Wether yoiu like it or not when you pray to Jesus the Saints are there.
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@gtepp031387 No, we are not praying to each other, I am praying to God alone. I will pray FOR you though, that you will believe the Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4 plus nothing). I can see that you don't understand that Jesus is an actual person, and He, the individual man, in whom the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily, is seated on the throne of God. I am not Jesus, you are not Jesus, Mary is not Jesus, the Church is not Jesus, and the Rcc by and large doesn't even have a clue about Jesus.
Enoch2 7 months ago
@Enoch2 Jesus is in me, part of me is Jesus, I was baptized into his life and death, where you not? Jesus' very body is the holy Saints, why do you try to seperate Jesus from his body, sounds like the work of satan to me. The catholic church gave you the bible and is the church from which you came from, how about a little respect for your mother.
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@gtepp A husband is the head of his wife, which makes the wife her husband's body. But this is spiritual, not physical, because obviously a woman has her own body, and so does her husband. So the true church, those individuals who have personally trusted in Christ's death for their own sins, his burial, and His resurrection the third day for their justification, are collectively the Body and BRIDE of Christ. But they are not CHRIST, any more than a man's wife is the man himself. Read Eph 5:23.
Enoch2 7 months ago
@Enoch2 Sry but my flesh died when I was baptized, did it not for you? "My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me."....."Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?"
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@Enoch2 The bible also invokes us to ask the angles and Saints to praise and bless the LORD. Jesus himself tell us of the intercession of angles in heaven, and rev shows us the angles and Saints offering our prayers to GOD. Not to mention the holy body of Christ, has confessed since the begging the intercession of Saints and angles in heaven.
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@gtepp031387 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. Eph 4 ...ye shall ask in my name: John 16 ...And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, John 14 I see Christ as the head of the church(per scripture) and asking in HIS name, not Mary's (per scripture) Christ's physical body was raised - the church is also referred to as the body-. The Bible I hold never mentions to "pray to Mary" ever.. it's always in Christ Jesus never Mary.
TheKathleenBean 7 months ago
@TheKathleenBean Jesus name huh..do you think that means the letters J-E-S-U-S ...I got news for you the letter are not right as you say it. Rather praying in the name of Jesus means to pray in the meaning of the name not the letters, meaning My GOD who helps who saves who is my salvation. Sry but your bible has been so minipulated and is missing so much content, It is more like a quran then a bible.
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@gtepp031387 "The Body Of Christ" - Is no more Christ's literal body (I'm not a toe I'm a child of God - although my giftings in the workings of the body may be that of a toe) than speaking out J.E.S.U.S. as some magical word.. (although there is by no other name one can be saved) When He is my Lord & God my Father, I ask the Father- in the name of Christ my petitions, intercedings, by the power of the Holy Spirit. I just do not see how Mary is involved. You inquired me on this, I'm answering.
TheKathleenBean 7 months ago
@TheKathleenBean The body of Christ is Christ body,I don't understand what you are on about.When Paul was persecuting the Christains Christ did not say,"why are you persecuting my followers" but "Why are you persecuting ME" Sry the holy Saints are one with and in Jesus with him where he is, just as the father is one with Jesus(John 17:20-26).So is Jesus not literally one with the father? It is impossible to say you believe in Christ and reject the apostles,(his body) such talk is ridiculus.
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@gtepp031387 When the children of God are being persecuted, it is persecuting Him. When someone hurts my children, it's like hurting me.. We are His. I do not reject the apostles at all.. I just do not deem them as gods. They were saved just as I am saved.. Christ Jesus is our hope, our Salvation. He died on the cross for my sin debt - Paul didn't.. Paul even says not to say you are a follower of him, or of this man or that.. but to Christ Jesus be the glory forever and ever.. amen!
TheKathleenBean 7 months ago
@TheKathleenBean The apostles in the flesh where evil men, but in the sprit they are the holy body of Christ, and you can not say you reject the thier teachings and say you accept Jesus. I believe Jesus told them when they where commisioned something alone the lines of If they don't accept you, then niether do they accept me. Jesus gave them all authority to bind and loose, to reject there bindings and loosings is to reject Jesus....They bound a phisyical church with phsyical hiearchy.
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@gtepp There is nothing good in a Christian but the Spirit of Christ (Rom 7:18). So you don't pray to another creature, you pray to God. A Christian has the Spirit so he prays in the Spirit to God. He has to have his own faith, a church can't have faith for him, Mary or the saints can't have faith for him, the pope can't have faith for him.
We still live in a body of death (Rom 7), having sin.
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1Jn 1:8
Enoch2 7 months ago
@Enoch2 I do pray to GOD, the Saints are part of GOD, I can not seperate what GOD has jonined together, I hope you understand.
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@g The saints are not part of GOD. Hinduism says that all their many gods are really aspects of the one God. And in this way they make a counterfeit monotheism out of their polytheism.
If you read Jn 17 carefully you will see that God The Father is in The Son and The Son in The Father. Then, all believers are 1, with Christ in them and they in Him. God the Father is in the saints through Christ but not apart from His mediation. So there is no way to God through saints, but only through Christ.
Enoch2 7 months ago
@Enoch2 "The saints are not part of GOD"...Sry my friend if you believe you are not becoming one with and in Jesus you will surley die for "no one has gone up into heaven, save he who came down out of heaven"(John 3:13)..If you are going to go into heaven you must become the one that came down. ..As far as you interpritation of John 17 I find it to be contridictory to the text.
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@gtepp "FOR WHO MAKETH THEE TO DIFFER FROM ANOTHER? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?" 1 Cor 4:6-7, my emphasis
Praying to a saint is praying to that aspect of them that makes them different from another saint--and this aspect is not Christ in them, since He is ever the same (Heb 13:8).
So whenever you would pray to Mary rather than saint so-and-so, this is proof that you are praying to flesh.
Enoch2 7 months ago
The reason I write this to you is because praying to flesh will result in strong holds of idolatry being formed in your mind, and since you have not come to Christ through faith to be saved, then even devil possession can result. Paul said, "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing" Rom 7:18a, so if you pray to flesh you are praying to something in which there dwells no good thing. You are in damnable heresy and serious danger, and I urge you to seek repentance.
Enoch2 7 months ago
@TheKathleenBean By the way the name of the son is actually Yeshua, so if you confessing it is in the letter and not in the meaning, your using the wrong name.
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@gtepp031387 I just didn't say it was in the letter.. My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.. Messiah, Son of the living God. The Word made flesh. He is I AM. He knows who He is and who I'm addressing..
TheKathleenBean 7 months ago
@TheKathleenBean So then he knows who your adressing even if you use a different name? Does he know who your adressing also if you adress his body too? ...You see your arguments are hipocritical, at least from my perspective.
gtepp031387 7 months ago