Eve Ensler is an empowering, beautiful, incredible woman who has done things to prove herself more of a "man" than most men are and more of a woman than I could ever hope to be.
Your written preamble to this video does not in anyway shape or form diffuse the fact that Ensler presented this lesbian predatory behavior in a positive light. Saying she is just reporting the words of the woman is a cop out.
What Ensler heard was a story of rape, she was obliged to report it to the police, she did not. I wonder how you would react if this was about a 24yr old male seducing the girl.
@MikePinkerman I am not sure if you realize this, but this story was told to Eve well after the person had become a grown adult. Assuming that Eve knew the name of the "perpetrator"(which seems rather unlikely), do you honestly believe the police have done a one single thing about it? When it was at least ten years later and the "victim" was not willing to aid in the prosecution? Further, in many states, 16 is the age of consent. Depending on where it was, it may not have even been illegal.
@aislynnmidnight The original story had the girl at age 13, it was changed after the fact for legal reasons about 10 years ago. Further more "telling the story when she was an adult" is the not the way Eisler has recounted the encounter. It sounds like you have been listening to damage control after the fact from others.
This monologue has a bad history and peoples willingness to defend it when there is alcohol and a huge power differential involved is revolting.
@railroadwino1 come on she is hilarious. she took that horrible experience and turned it into something educational. food for many thoughts. dont get mad just think about it.
I think back on toxic relationships, abuse, and coercive sexual situations I've been in with very mixed emotions--being attracted to someone that didn't treat me right, being glad an ex hit me so I realized I needed to leave him, being glad to finally lose my virginity even if the guy was an ass. It's a testament to human durability that we don't make only tragedy out of everything. That doesn't make what happens always "right."
This video is a lie. VM is marketed as if it's from real people, but they altered the story of the girl's lesbian experience from 13 to 16. Censorship. VM should be ashamed.
This story is about being healed after rape and molestation and how being shown love, respect, and comfort can heal those victims after such traumatic events. Being a victim of rape or molestation leaves your head in CRAZY places and puberty is the worst because you are discovering all of those emotions and what really happened to you. I know it's age awkward but this connection will make her relationships and future connections much healthier than they would have been without this experience.
It's nice that she was changed by it, but that still doesn't change the fact that an adult had sex with a 16 year old. I know 16 year olds, i was one only two years before, and they really don't know what they want or have the ability to make long term decisions. They just aren't mature yet.
@Squisidee If that bothers you, how about finding out it was 13 in the original story? Your ageism is ridiculous. OMG two years have passed and you suddenly know what you want eh? In 4 more years I expect to hear you saying the same rhetoric about 18 year olds. Maturity varies, your slow development should not limit those who develope faster than you.
@tyciol I wasn't off trying to get sex when I was 16, I was mature, and I know quite a few 18 year olds right now who have no maturity. But realistically, there needs to be a cutoff somewhere, and 16 is just too young.
Ugh, this is so pathetic. Eve Ensler was (allegedly) raped by her father, so all this "women's rights" bullshit is nothing more than a pathetic vendetta against all men. People really need to wake up and smell the roses. Ensler, in the long run, doesn't give a shit about other women, she just wants to destroy all men, who in her sick mind are all perceived as violent rapists.
I don't think we should condemn anything just because the law says so without analysing the situation. In some countries the legal age of consent is 14, in some 16, in some 18, 21 and even in extremist countries, until marriage. Law is not necessarily moral; my first time would have been statutory rape in some states of the US, but in my country it wasn't. So the location defines morality? No, a general sense of morality partially independent of law must be had, and each case must be evaluated.
@LimeAndCherryTree If a person is rational enough to make their own decisions about sexuality great. NO FUCKING THIRTEEN YEAR OLD IS AT THAT STAGE IN THEIR LIFE YET.
@toejam152 I agree, and you should avoid capital letters. What I meant was that even sex with a seventeen-year old is considered statutory rape in the US, isn't it? And then suddenly when you turn 18 it isn't rape any more. I meant law shouldn't be an absolute definition for morality; sex at seventeen when you have the maturity to do it is ok, even if the law says it isn't. Indeed 13 is nowhere near mature enough, at least not in our culture. I didn't say it was. READ before you reply.
The Vagina Monologues is very powerful when you see a production in person. I saw a production in college @ emlodik it is a show that raises money to raise money for a campaign to end violence against women.
1) Eve clearly says in the monologues "I realized later, she was my surprising, unexpected, POLITICALLY INCORRECT salvation."
2) It is def. statutory rape because when this piece was originally performed, it was not 16, it was 13 or 14, I don't remember which one...I believe it was 13.
3) You need to realize that this is the 70s so things were a little different.
4) You guys are missing the entire point of the monologue. How messed up is it that there is a section
@brittmstar about rape in here and everyone is commenting on how messed up it is that she had a good relationship with someone who was a little older then she might have been. HOW ABOUT IT'S MESSED UP THAT SHE WAS RAPED, AND ALL OF THE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO HER! Those laws are put in place so that people don't regret things they did later in life, well she doesn't regret it, she's happy. The experience helped her grow and changed who she is as a person, made her more secure about
@brittmstar herself. That's the entire point of the monologue, that even when you think everything sucks, and even when you've been through something extremely horrible and traumatic, you can come out of it, you can get better. So many times, people focus on the fact that a good feeling can quickly become a bad one, Eve was just trying to show that there are other possibilities too, and she's trying to give hope to people who have been through stuff like this, and show that things can change.
@brittmstar I totally agree. I figured while watching that some people might say something foolhardy. We get this idea in our heads that an older partner is bad, just because that's what we're told.
Age of consent varies from state to state. Some states it's 18, some it's 16. Judging by the accent she's using, it's a Southern state. There's states in the South where the legal age of consent is actually 16. So it may or may not have been statutory rape pending that state's speciffic laws. Alabama, for example, is age 16. So it could have been 2 men that were 16 and 24 depicited in this. If it was in Alabama, it would have been perfectly legal. Not saying right or wrong, just how the law goes
I wonder if a woman performed a personal piece about being 13-16 years old and how wonderful her first time was with a 24 year old man would be taken? Or even two males? It is my opinion that it would not be taken too well. There are some definitive double-standards that exist in this world.
she makes it sound like the "statutory rape" was such a beautiful experience. it just gives mixed feelings. i dnt even know what it is tbh. i mean if it was sweet for her then it cant be rape. and also isnt the legal age for sex in the us like 16 or 17?? they changed her age to 16 probs becos of all the controversies. so in uk it wud av kinda be ok i guess...oh i dno! it sounds so wrong though bt oh well who r we to judge?
"If it is a positive, healing experience, then it is not rape." This statement, assuming the opposite would mean that if it's a negative, damaging (emotionally, assuming that's what "healing" meant) experience, then it is rape. It seems even though Eve Ensler may be only speaking of someone's "experience", but it seems you are trying to be complicit in allowing minors to be sexual with adults. And that's exactly why people say this condones sexual behavior with minors.
@anikinippon My personal opinion has nothing to do with what the piece condones. No one is condoning sexual behavior with minors except the woman whose story it is, and only in her circumstance. Statutory rape can be complicated, and we have to listen to how these women feel about their experience. That's not being "complicit" in a crime.
@hazelfo What if men were to talk about the same experience? Take the same adult woman and replace it with a man of identical age, what would you say about this story then? I dare say you would be as objective as you are now, even if the girl had a "positive, healing experience" in that instance.
@anikinippon So you're going to simply make an assumption about me and my reasoning because I have the sense to trust the woman telling the story? "What if it was a man" is a non-issue. It's not a man in this circumstance. Would it still be statutory rape? Yes. It's statutory rape regardless. The difference is it's consensual, loving, and healing. Again, non-issue. These are women's stories as they told them. I can't have a problem with how someone chooses to feel about their sexual experiences.
Your whole point, is STILL beside the point. For a start you don't understand Statutory Rape by definition. A person under the age of CONSENT (Get it? AGE OF) is not legally (or morally) capable of consent.
Secondly, the same scenario would be a point of complete indifference to a male offender. Why? For a male or female pdeophile THERE IS NO CONSENT BY A MINOR (Get it?). If a male offender had testimony of a "consenting" girl or boy, it would mean ZERO DIFFERENCE.
@Hzqi Yes, I really do. Of course if the offender claims there was consent it would make zero difference, almost no rapist thinks they're a rapist. But ignoring the experiences of the victims when it contradicts our common understanding of rape? Ridiculous.
@hazelfo Actually. Even if the offender said it was consentual and the other said it was consentual, it's -still- statutory rape in the legal definition of it. My 16 year old neighbor had an 18 year old boyfriend. In this state age of consent is 18. She was underage, she consented, got pregnant. Her mother pressed charges against the 18 year old for statutory rape and he got arrested for it. If a guardian adult wants to press charges, consentual or not, they can. Legal consent depends the state
@xkbones Yes I am fully aware of the legal definition of statutory rape. I am also aware of the divide between legal definitions and the definitions we use in everyday life.
Oh really? I'm afraid it's not terribly complicated when Men are involved.
This is one of the most iconic illustrations of the gender double-standard I've ever seen. The very fact that a gorgon like Ensler could conjur a depiction that males would be decapitated for, and then expect it to be some "complicated" point of contention of how it's "interpretted" isn't just a contradiction. It's evil.
Let's see you tell this story with Priests and Choir-boys, and see how it's recieved.
@Hzqi These are women's stories as they told them, nothing is "conjured". Yes, legally it is rape. No one is saying it is not legally rape. The way the woman describes her rape makes it a complicated matter of interpretation. Wow, you're right, it is simple.
To everyone saying this story promotes statutory rape, slow down. Eve Ensler isn't saying this is okay or good or positive. She's just telling a story the way it was told to her. It's a monologue straight from this woman. The woman had a sexual experience that is legally statutory rape, that she personally was okay with and loved and consented to, but it was technically pedophilia.
Eve Ensler is not blessing or condoning this behavior, she's just telling a story to get people thinking.
@BwayWannabe1001 She probably had women tell her that as little girls they loved being with adult men. You and I both know why she didn't include those.
@BwayWannabe1001 - This is untrue. She is not just telling a story as it was told to her. The original story, and this video at the 3 minute mark, say "13 years old". You can see that the audio has been clearly re-dubbed to reflect this change. The primary reason this change was made was because audiences threw a fit about it. Also, these are not word for word accounts. Eve also mixed elements of all of her interviews into many of these stories.
@BwayWannabe1001 You do realize that the whole of the VMs is pro-lesbian, ANTI-man & the original of the coochie snorcher/lesbian experience was at 13 yrs old but due to flak, Ensler rewrote it to make her 16 so it wasn't as "offensive." I saw the original 1996 production & was left feeling very awkward about being a heterosexual, monogamous woman who never had a lesbian experience. That's what I took away from The VMs & can only hope it's gotten less pro-lesbian/ anti-man/hetero since.
@BwayWannabe1001 Bullshit, the mesage is clear. The audience knows what the message is and are laughing with approval at various points. It is statutory rape and told in a way to be erotic lesbian pornography.
Moral of the story: Lesbians have carte-blanche to commit statuatory rape. YAY FOR LESBIANS!!!
How is what that woman did any different to Roman Polanski's crime? And yet all the feminazi macho dykes like Eve Ensler are crying out for his blood. Such hypocrisy!
@HouseOnSunset Please explain to me, and everyone here, how this event is portrayed as anything but an entirely subjective experience as articulated by the person involved without outside or objective judgment?
When comparing what this woman did to what Roman Polanski did, please recall that there is a massive difference in what the victim did and thought at the time. You obviously have no critical thinking skills if you're so ready to dismiss the victim's testimony.
TheMadShangi I would recommend the movie Mysterious skin, it deals with how to boys deal the memory of the same traumatic event, 1 boy see's his abouse as a nurturing loving experience and the other boy is completly broken by it. Same sex rape shouldn't be social acceptable, it's not ok for a woman to seduce a boy or a child, it's as vicious and calculated as male pedo's. And that's what they are, sexual predators
TheMadShangi your right, but for her, after a serious of brutal and invasive assualts on her, I'm sure this 1 incident with the woman did seem nurturing. I mean thats how she sells it. But it is interesting the way different ppl chose to remember events. To me and you, this is obviously rape.
@hazelfo So, you believe that men should force women to have sex and then ask them afterward to see if they enjoyed it and then if not, they get 20 years in jail? That's irresponsible.
@anikinippon No, not really. Nothing I said condones rape in any circumstance. I only ask that we listen to women's stories and trust their judgment and their experiences. That is the entire point of The Vagina Monologues.
@hazelfo "If it is a positive, healing experience, then it is not rape." The underlying suggestion is that if it is negative and a harmful experience, assuming the "healing" means emotionally, then it's is rape.
@hazelfo That would be a false moral hazelfo, if someone has positive reactions or is healed from something, it would not change the fact of whether or not they consented to it.
A filthy pedophile rapes little girl.
Oh wait the 24 year old was a woman.
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Brood98 1 day ago
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LittleMsMadness 2 days ago
Eve Ensler is an empowering, beautiful, incredible woman who has done things to prove herself more of a "man" than most men are and more of a woman than I could ever hope to be.
TheBloggingVirgin 1 month ago
It's a great story and she told it well. I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of the monologues.
Aknara 1 month ago
I wonder how you would react if this was about a 24yr old male seducing the girl.
lockitkitten 1 month ago
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Once upon a time there was cock in her life, but now she's wanting nothing vadge. There's nothing she can do, a total dykefest of the part...
emlodik 1 month ago
Your written preamble to this video does not in anyway shape or form diffuse the fact that Ensler presented this lesbian predatory behavior in a positive light. Saying she is just reporting the words of the woman is a cop out.
What Ensler heard was a story of rape, she was obliged to report it to the police, she did not. I wonder how you would react if this was about a 24yr old male seducing the girl.
Keep away from my daughter you are disgusting.
MikePinkerman 2 months ago
@MikePinkerman I am not sure if you realize this, but this story was told to Eve well after the person had become a grown adult. Assuming that Eve knew the name of the "perpetrator"(which seems rather unlikely), do you honestly believe the police have done a one single thing about it? When it was at least ten years later and the "victim" was not willing to aid in the prosecution? Further, in many states, 16 is the age of consent. Depending on where it was, it may not have even been illegal.
aislynnmidnight 1 month ago
@aislynnmidnight The original story had the girl at age 13, it was changed after the fact for legal reasons about 10 years ago. Further more "telling the story when she was an adult" is the not the way Eisler has recounted the encounter. It sounds like you have been listening to damage control after the fact from others.
This monologue has a bad history and peoples willingness to defend it when there is alcohol and a huge power differential involved is revolting.
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MikePinkerman 2 months ago
kind of sad, yet very real--we do experience much of our life via our vaj j
veelighted7 2 months ago
Seriously, I don't want to ever hear EVE FUCKIN' ENSLER talk about vaginas in any respect.
railroadwino1 3 months ago
@railroadwino1 come on she is hilarious. she took that horrible experience and turned it into something educational. food for many thoughts. dont get mad just think about it.
20Elle 3 months ago
A friend of mine did the coochie snorcher, and she did an amazing job,. and it was amazing.
LizzieBoo17 3 months ago
I think back on toxic relationships, abuse, and coercive sexual situations I've been in with very mixed emotions--being attracted to someone that didn't treat me right, being glad an ex hit me so I realized I needed to leave him, being glad to finally lose my virginity even if the guy was an ass. It's a testament to human durability that we don't make only tragedy out of everything. That doesn't make what happens always "right."
RowansAHare 3 months ago
This video is a lie. VM is marketed as if it's from real people, but they altered the story of the girl's lesbian experience from 13 to 16. Censorship. VM should be ashamed.
tyciol 3 months ago
@tyciol I love butch hypocritical dykes. They're fun! :)
emlodik 3 months ago
This story is about being healed after rape and molestation and how being shown love, respect, and comfort can heal those victims after such traumatic events. Being a victim of rape or molestation leaves your head in CRAZY places and puberty is the worst because you are discovering all of those emotions and what really happened to you. I know it's age awkward but this connection will make her relationships and future connections much healthier than they would have been without this experience.
MetabolicFrolic 3 months ago
It's nice that she was changed by it, but that still doesn't change the fact that an adult had sex with a 16 year old. I know 16 year olds, i was one only two years before, and they really don't know what they want or have the ability to make long term decisions. They just aren't mature yet.
Squisidee 3 months ago
@Squisidee If that bothers you, how about finding out it was 13 in the original story? Your ageism is ridiculous. OMG two years have passed and you suddenly know what you want eh? In 4 more years I expect to hear you saying the same rhetoric about 18 year olds. Maturity varies, your slow development should not limit those who develope faster than you.
tyciol 3 months ago
@tyciol I wasn't off trying to get sex when I was 16, I was mature, and I know quite a few 18 year olds right now who have no maturity. But realistically, there needs to be a cutoff somewhere, and 16 is just too young.
Squisidee 3 months ago
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Ugh, this is so pathetic. Eve Ensler was (allegedly) raped by her father, so all this "women's rights" bullshit is nothing more than a pathetic vendetta against all men. People really need to wake up and smell the roses. Ensler, in the long run, doesn't give a shit about other women, she just wants to destroy all men, who in her sick mind are all perceived as violent rapists.
emlodik 4 months ago
when women gets too much freedom you be seeing more and the clrowd applauded it men and women
mbelkaid 6 months ago
I don't think we should condemn anything just because the law says so without analysing the situation. In some countries the legal age of consent is 14, in some 16, in some 18, 21 and even in extremist countries, until marriage. Law is not necessarily moral; my first time would have been statutory rape in some states of the US, but in my country it wasn't. So the location defines morality? No, a general sense of morality partially independent of law must be had, and each case must be evaluated.
LimeAndCherryTree 8 months ago
@LimeAndCherryTree If a person is rational enough to make their own decisions about sexuality great. NO FUCKING THIRTEEN YEAR OLD IS AT THAT STAGE IN THEIR LIFE YET.
toejam152 6 months ago
@toejam152 I agree, and you should avoid capital letters. What I meant was that even sex with a seventeen-year old is considered statutory rape in the US, isn't it? And then suddenly when you turn 18 it isn't rape any more. I meant law shouldn't be an absolute definition for morality; sex at seventeen when you have the maturity to do it is ok, even if the law says it isn't. Indeed 13 is nowhere near mature enough, at least not in our culture. I didn't say it was. READ before you reply.
LimeAndCherryTree 6 months ago
@toejam152 Suddenly you have a telepathic connection to every 13 year old on the planet? You seem pretty cool.
tyciol 3 months ago
love for life
sydneyloveh 8 months ago
I grimace allot at the thought of getting punched in the vag or falling on the bedpost, Holly fuck that sounds painful!
kamilleBlack 10 months ago 6
This is so fucking retarded.
AssholePatrol 11 months ago
The Vagina Monologues is very powerful when you see a production in person. I saw a production in college @ emlodik it is a show that raises money to raise money for a campaign to end violence against women.
crogger321 1 year ago
Alright, a few things.
1) Eve clearly says in the monologues "I realized later, she was my surprising, unexpected, POLITICALLY INCORRECT salvation."
2) It is def. statutory rape because when this piece was originally performed, it was not 16, it was 13 or 14, I don't remember which one...I believe it was 13.
3) You need to realize that this is the 70s so things were a little different.
4) You guys are missing the entire point of the monologue. How messed up is it that there is a section
brittmstar 1 year ago
@brittmstar about rape in here and everyone is commenting on how messed up it is that she had a good relationship with someone who was a little older then she might have been. HOW ABOUT IT'S MESSED UP THAT SHE WAS RAPED, AND ALL OF THE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO HER! Those laws are put in place so that people don't regret things they did later in life, well she doesn't regret it, she's happy. The experience helped her grow and changed who she is as a person, made her more secure about
brittmstar 1 year ago
@brittmstar herself. That's the entire point of the monologue, that even when you think everything sucks, and even when you've been through something extremely horrible and traumatic, you can come out of it, you can get better. So many times, people focus on the fact that a good feeling can quickly become a bad one, Eve was just trying to show that there are other possibilities too, and she's trying to give hope to people who have been through stuff like this, and show that things can change.
brittmstar 1 year ago
@brittmstar I totally agree. I figured while watching that some people might say something foolhardy. We get this idea in our heads that an older partner is bad, just because that's what we're told.
twistedpreference 1 year ago
Gah. Why am I not a lesbian?!
zoogiezurtle 1 year ago
Age of consent varies from state to state. Some states it's 18, some it's 16. Judging by the accent she's using, it's a Southern state. There's states in the South where the legal age of consent is actually 16. So it may or may not have been statutory rape pending that state's speciffic laws. Alabama, for example, is age 16. So it could have been 2 men that were 16 and 24 depicited in this. If it was in Alabama, it would have been perfectly legal. Not saying right or wrong, just how the law goes
xkbones 1 year ago
I wonder if a woman performed a personal piece about being 13-16 years old and how wonderful her first time was with a 24 year old man would be taken? Or even two males? It is my opinion that it would not be taken too well. There are some definitive double-standards that exist in this world.
phoneke 1 year ago 2
This is one of my aboslute FAVORITE monolgues!
Phlossyful 1 year ago
she makes it sound like the "statutory rape" was such a beautiful experience. it just gives mixed feelings. i dnt even know what it is tbh. i mean if it was sweet for her then it cant be rape. and also isnt the legal age for sex in the us like 16 or 17?? they changed her age to 16 probs becos of all the controversies. so in uk it wud av kinda be ok i guess...oh i dno! it sounds so wrong though bt oh well who r we to judge?
sweetappletits 1 year ago
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sweetappletits 1 year ago
"If it is a positive, healing experience, then it is not rape." This statement, assuming the opposite would mean that if it's a negative, damaging (emotionally, assuming that's what "healing" meant) experience, then it is rape. It seems even though Eve Ensler may be only speaking of someone's "experience", but it seems you are trying to be complicit in allowing minors to be sexual with adults. And that's exactly why people say this condones sexual behavior with minors.
anikinippon 1 year ago
@anikinippon My personal opinion has nothing to do with what the piece condones. No one is condoning sexual behavior with minors except the woman whose story it is, and only in her circumstance. Statutory rape can be complicated, and we have to listen to how these women feel about their experience. That's not being "complicit" in a crime.
hazelfo 1 year ago
@hazelfo What if men were to talk about the same experience? Take the same adult woman and replace it with a man of identical age, what would you say about this story then? I dare say you would be as objective as you are now, even if the girl had a "positive, healing experience" in that instance.
anikinippon 1 year ago
@anikinippon So you're going to simply make an assumption about me and my reasoning because I have the sense to trust the woman telling the story? "What if it was a man" is a non-issue. It's not a man in this circumstance. Would it still be statutory rape? Yes. It's statutory rape regardless. The difference is it's consensual, loving, and healing. Again, non-issue. These are women's stories as they told them. I can't have a problem with how someone chooses to feel about their sexual experiences.
hazelfo 1 year ago
@hazelfo
Your whole point, is STILL beside the point. For a start you don't understand Statutory Rape by definition. A person under the age of CONSENT (Get it? AGE OF) is not legally (or morally) capable of consent.
Secondly, the same scenario would be a point of complete indifference to a male offender. Why? For a male or female pdeophile THERE IS NO CONSENT BY A MINOR (Get it?). If a male offender had testimony of a "consenting" girl or boy, it would mean ZERO DIFFERENCE.
This is hypocrisy
Hzqi 1 year ago
@Hzqi Yes, I really do. Of course if the offender claims there was consent it would make zero difference, almost no rapist thinks they're a rapist. But ignoring the experiences of the victims when it contradicts our common understanding of rape? Ridiculous.
hazelfo 1 year ago
@hazelfo
You left a part out.
Rediculous (when a woman is the rapist).
Hzqi 1 year ago
@hazelfo Actually. Even if the offender said it was consentual and the other said it was consentual, it's -still- statutory rape in the legal definition of it. My 16 year old neighbor had an 18 year old boyfriend. In this state age of consent is 18. She was underage, she consented, got pregnant. Her mother pressed charges against the 18 year old for statutory rape and he got arrested for it. If a guardian adult wants to press charges, consentual or not, they can. Legal consent depends the state
xkbones 1 year ago
@xkbones Yes I am fully aware of the legal definition of statutory rape. I am also aware of the divide between legal definitions and the definitions we use in everyday life.
hazelfo 1 year ago
@hazelfo
Oh really? I'm afraid it's not terribly complicated when Men are involved.
This is one of the most iconic illustrations of the gender double-standard I've ever seen. The very fact that a gorgon like Ensler could conjur a depiction that males would be decapitated for, and then expect it to be some "complicated" point of contention of how it's "interpretted" isn't just a contradiction. It's evil.
Let's see you tell this story with Priests and Choir-boys, and see how it's recieved.
Hzqi 1 year ago
@Hzqi These are women's stories as they told them, nothing is "conjured". Yes, legally it is rape. No one is saying it is not legally rape. The way the woman describes her rape makes it a complicated matter of interpretation. Wow, you're right, it is simple.
hazelfo 1 year ago
To everyone saying this story promotes statutory rape, slow down. Eve Ensler isn't saying this is okay or good or positive. She's just telling a story the way it was told to her. It's a monologue straight from this woman. The woman had a sexual experience that is legally statutory rape, that she personally was okay with and loved and consented to, but it was technically pedophilia.
Eve Ensler is not blessing or condoning this behavior, she's just telling a story to get people thinking.
BwayWannabe1001 1 year ago 57
@BwayWannabe1001 She probably had women tell her that as little girls they loved being with adult men. You and I both know why she didn't include those.
SpiritTwilight 1 year ago
@BwayWannabe1001 - This is untrue. She is not just telling a story as it was told to her. The original story, and this video at the 3 minute mark, say "13 years old". You can see that the audio has been clearly re-dubbed to reflect this change. The primary reason this change was made was because audiences threw a fit about it. Also, these are not word for word accounts. Eve also mixed elements of all of her interviews into many of these stories.
kendallphx 1 year ago
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kendallphx 1 year ago
@BwayWannabe1001
No, no, it only qualifies as statutory rape when an icky MAN does it to a girl. Lesbians have divine immunity.
pinz2022 6 months ago
@BwayWannabe1001 You do realize that the whole of the VMs is pro-lesbian, ANTI-man & the original of the coochie snorcher/lesbian experience was at 13 yrs old but due to flak, Ensler rewrote it to make her 16 so it wasn't as "offensive." I saw the original 1996 production & was left feeling very awkward about being a heterosexual, monogamous woman who never had a lesbian experience. That's what I took away from The VMs & can only hope it's gotten less pro-lesbian/ anti-man/hetero since.
kerry5101971 4 months ago
@kerry5101971 I dislike Ensler for rewriting 13>16, very important issue, thanks for bringing it up kerry.
Oddly enough as a man, even if this is anti-man, I don't hate it for some reason, lol
tyciol 3 months ago
@BwayWannabe1001 It was NOT 'technically' pedophilia, 13 is too old for that label Bway.
tyciol 3 months ago
@BwayWannabe1001 Bullshit, the mesage is clear. The audience knows what the message is and are laughing with approval at various points. It is statutory rape and told in a way to be erotic lesbian pornography.
MikePinkerman 2 months ago
Moral of the story: Lesbians have carte-blanche to commit statuatory rape. YAY FOR LESBIANS!!!
How is what that woman did any different to Roman Polanski's crime? And yet all the feminazi macho dykes like Eve Ensler are crying out for his blood. Such hypocrisy!
HouseOnSunset 2 years ago
@HouseOnSunset Please explain to me, and everyone here, how this event is portrayed as anything but an entirely subjective experience as articulated by the person involved without outside or objective judgment?
When comparing what this woman did to what Roman Polanski did, please recall that there is a massive difference in what the victim did and thought at the time. You obviously have no critical thinking skills if you're so ready to dismiss the victim's testimony.
hazelfo 1 year ago
@hazelfo Are you done now, KD Lang?
emlodik 1 year ago
@emlodik Are you trying to insult me by referring me to a grammy-award winning songwriter, or a lesbian?
hazelfo 1 year ago
@hazelfo Relax, Ellen!
HouseOnSunset 1 year ago
TheMadShangi I would recommend the movie Mysterious skin, it deals with how to boys deal the memory of the same traumatic event, 1 boy see's his abouse as a nurturing loving experience and the other boy is completly broken by it. Same sex rape shouldn't be social acceptable, it's not ok for a woman to seduce a boy or a child, it's as vicious and calculated as male pedo's. And that's what they are, sexual predators
pheno09 2 years ago
TheMadShangi your right, but for her, after a serious of brutal and invasive assualts on her, I'm sure this 1 incident with the woman did seem nurturing. I mean thats how she sells it. But it is interesting the way different ppl chose to remember events. To me and you, this is obviously rape.
pheno09 2 years ago
whoa this is awesome! omg omg!!!
natashatarelia 2 years ago
Moral of the story: statuatory rape is acceptable if you're a lesbian.
TheMadShangi 2 years ago
Moral of the story: If it is a positive, healing experience, then it is not rape.
hazelfo 2 years ago 16
@hazelfo So, you believe that men should force women to have sex and then ask them afterward to see if they enjoyed it and then if not, they get 20 years in jail? That's irresponsible.
anikinippon 1 year ago
@anikinippon Did I say anything to that affect? No.
hazelfo 1 year ago
@hazelfo Might as well have.
anikinippon 1 year ago
@anikinippon No, not really. Nothing I said condones rape in any circumstance. I only ask that we listen to women's stories and trust their judgment and their experiences. That is the entire point of The Vagina Monologues.
hazelfo 1 year ago
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@hazelfo "If it is a positive, healing experience, then it is not rape." The underlying suggestion is that if it is negative and a harmful experience, assuming the "healing" means emotionally, then it's is rape.
anikinippon 1 year ago
@hazelfo
That doesn't make any logical sense.
tleab29 1 year ago
@tleab29 Your inability to read or understand nuance does not circumscribe what is "logical sense".
hazelfo 1 year ago
@hazelfo That would be a false moral hazelfo, if someone has positive reactions or is healed from something, it would not change the fact of whether or not they consented to it.
tyciol 3 months ago
@tyciol I agree. True of so many things.
RowansAHare 3 months ago