I'm looking into getting my wife a torch in June for her birthday and wanted to know what I should get her. I'm looking at these three torches....
1. Carlisle Black Widow - Surface Mix
2. Carlisle HellCat
3. Red Rocket Burner Torch
She is experienced in Flameworking and is at an above average level. She went to Corning in New York and took some classes there and really enjoyed it. But until now could not afford her own torch. can you help or recommend anything?
i've been taking bead courses in brooklyn for three months, now and really want to set a home studio up. there's a flameworker i know who's selling a carlisle CC. is that a good noob torch? i want to be able to have a wide range of flame size
the carlisle is a workhorse of the glass art world.-) in the end, torches are a very personal choice, but in the end they are all just heat sources.-)
@TuBeUlar009 : I look at it as they hold resale value. I've been using (and have had 4 friends in addition to me make their living at some point on) my Carlilsle CC for 15 years, and it's still running strong. I have added a water cooler and a foot pedal, but the basic CC design is my choice. Efficient and versatile.
I don't have anything like the power of a Bethelhem burner, but that's a trade-off I'm happy with.
I used to work on a Bethelhem PM-2D and there are times I miss it.
I work with the Nortel major minor myself yet I seem to be going through oxygen rather quickly.. about a 250cu.ft. tank in 5-7 days of on and off working. Is this ridiculously fast or a normal pace? I should also mention that I live in high altitude(7880ft.) would this have an impending factor on how quickly I run through a tank... Also how loud is your exhaust system?
that is slow o2 comsumption. at least compared to me. I can use a 285 in a day flat if I am working large and complex! I would say that is a good average rate for serious hobby/entry level buisness. its nuts how much you can burn when you go crazy. I am actually thinking of adding a lathe and hand torches, I bet my O2 will skyrocket the first few months as I push my limits and see how far I can take the complexity of my work. I am nuts though!-)
Thank you for the reply this makes me feel slightly better about going through so much oxy. All the information you have shared has already benefited my work and my wallet in so many ways so thanks again. I am switching over from the nortel to a barracuda and a GTT Delta E so I am also considering switching over to liquid oxy but this also demands that I be working everyday. Hopefully when everything arrives I'll make a video of the shop and post it with the results....
be prepared, I have seen a delta empty a 285 in 3.2 hours! if you really want to work on the scale and size of the delta, but also want the precision of the cudda, have you looked at the three ring delta mag? its a good option! and liquid will save you a ton, and at that scale and size, I would recomend you just go for it and be a glass artist! but thats just me and I am obviously hooked and willing to take chances.-)
It is a big step, and one I am willing to take but I do have to make sure I am ready. I have invested quite a bit at this point, enough to get me going for about 6 months plus all equipment needed but I will most likely continue to hold jobs for at least a little while longer to make sure I can support myself just making glass, my dream and ultimate goal. I do believe it is safe to say I am obsessed with glass in every way. Oh yeah and the way you touch the Delta E in this video turns...me...on!
Im about to upgrade to either a 4 port Pm2d or a Delta Elite. Since they are only $5 between the two of them I need to know wich is more versatile? Can a 4 port pm2d get that sharp of a flame? Do you know how sharp you can get the flame on the delta? Thnx for the vids they are awsome. I'm picking up so much off youtube. I'm trying swichback reversals on color tube then doing a blow in on a clear inside out. noce I get it down it will be sick. You might want to do a vid on blow ins. Thnx again
its totally a personal preference, I love the pm2d, and it can definately handle the same scale work. and they are both laminar flow torches. both surface mix, both can do sharp flames, your call. the pm2d requires liquid cooling, the delta is gas cooled, and runs nice and cool. I really went with the pm2d because I got it used from a friend for less than a barracudda costs new.-)
depennds on who you buy it from, and if they are running a deal, check out whaleapparatus and winshipdesigns to find current pricing. be aware, that a hot head, is a non oxidized torch, and will not produce enough heat to work borosilicate glass, though it will work morretti.
Great video. I have a lot of folks ask me about torches, now I can send them to this video. My workhorse is the Mirage but I also have the Barracuda and my trusty old Minor in my studio.
thank you, I wish I had been smart enough to never have parted with my whale firebird. I loved that thing! I would probably have turned it into a hand torch by now, but it would still be working!-)
obviously, I am a slut for bethlehem, I wish I knew how to better extract performance from the other torches as well. especially that beast the delta elite! crap what a beast, it actually out flows the pm2d by a bit, kind of freaked me how fast it could suck the o2 and propane!-)
Excellent video! I spent an entire evening going through them all...thanks for your time and effort in making them. Picking up on your Redmax suggestion to utubber97, what are your O2 system recommendations to match up with the Redmax?
it really depends on if you are just starting out and face the steep initial learning curve, or if you are ready to go into production. for me the only o2 source that truly serves my needs is a 5500 cubit foot tank of liquid oxygen. it lasts me around 30-45 days depending on what type of work I am doing, and it keeps my o2 cost down. but if you are starting out, a 285 or k tank should do you pretty good. the o2 source option thing seems to be a reocuring problem for us boro people.
Thanks Acro. I just called Airgas (in Los Angeles), they said a 300cf k tank costs $400 plus $30 per refill. The K tank weighs about 200 lbs. The smaller 125 cf tank costs $200 and $20 per refill. As an option to purchasing a tank, rental regardless of tank size is about $14/tank/month. I may do a 300 and a 125 cf tank as a back up. This is still cheaper than a series of concentrators and has better flow rates. Thanks again.
i think im going to start off with a midrange plus with minor torch ontop. i wa thinking premix on top but im not going to be JUST using boro glass. good idea?
i would go surface mix all the way, but then I am in love with surface mix! I love being able to go straight from a boro workflow, straight to morreti. and I like the nice quiet flame. but internal does have some advantages, they are not better, just different!
i am also a glass artist and i started out with a minor and worked with soft glass and and now i am starting to get more into glass blowing bu it is just so frustrating on my crappy little minor so i was looking into a GTT cheetah and was woundering if you new of any other better torches out there in the same price range?
You have a 'ventialltion' tag on the video, but nothing about it in there(tho the system you have looks good in the video ;-D ). I was hoping to find out what kind of temperature the fan has to be able to handle with a big flamethrower -- I'm upgrading to a 50mm Herbie, so my old kitchen hood is obsolete.
if the blowers are moving enough air the temperature never gets high, I have stuck a thermocouple porbe right up in the intake while both bethlehems are running at absolute max and the air temp never gets above 115. most commercial blowers are rated above that. it should be noted that my overhead hood blower alone moves 1200 cubic feet per minute. and the in bench blower moves another 750.
they are definately the biggest current craze. they consume way to much o2 for cost effective production once you get past a certain size with them. but do not buy the bullshit hype, they are not capable of doing anything that could not be done with a different torch. its all about the artist, not at all about the torch.
Hey, whats up
I'm looking into getting my wife a torch in June for her birthday and wanted to know what I should get her. I'm looking at these three torches....
1. Carlisle Black Widow - Surface Mix
2. Carlisle HellCat
3. Red Rocket Burner Torch
She is experienced in Flameworking and is at an above average level. She went to Corning in New York and took some classes there and really enjoyed it. But until now could not afford her own torch. can you help or recommend anything?
kasatka4520 2 months ago
buch help brotha thanks alot
Ryanlikesbeer 10 months ago
thank you BIG NOOB hear :)
17hmr243 11 months ago
good video, very informative. lol at 9:30
eterpe1 1 year ago
9:31 is the best part :D
kanserstyx 1 year ago
your videos are extremely helpful, man!
i've been taking bead courses in brooklyn for three months, now and really want to set a home studio up. there's a flameworker i know who's selling a carlisle CC. is that a good noob torch? i want to be able to have a wide range of flame size
thanks!
ekimusman2 2 years ago
the carlisle is a workhorse of the glass art world.-) in the end, torches are a very personal choice, but in the end they are all just heat sources.-)
acroduster 2 years ago
So since you only use that third torch, youd be willing to give me the first torch you demo'd...right? ;)
ishthealaskan 2 years ago
those are not my torches, they belong to other glass artists that have shared studio space with me at times.-)
acroduster 2 years ago
From Brazil Thank you very much.
gosolo2222 2 years ago
Thanks a ton for this video man. Really appreciate the info you put into this 10 minute video.
DLSYRTHIU 2 years ago
I am surprised that you did not demo the Carlisle CC. These seem to be very popular torches these days... they also seem quite expensive.
TuBeUlar009 2 years ago
did not demo, because I dont have one.-) the cc is the torch from the scientific glass days that really is the workhorse of old. -)
acroduster 2 years ago
@TuBeUlar009 : I look at it as they hold resale value. I've been using (and have had 4 friends in addition to me make their living at some point on) my Carlilsle CC for 15 years, and it's still running strong. I have added a water cooler and a foot pedal, but the basic CC design is my choice. Efficient and versatile.
I don't have anything like the power of a Bethelhem burner, but that's a trade-off I'm happy with.
I used to work on a Bethelhem PM-2D and there are times I miss it.
Great video!
milesnoell 1 year ago
I work with the Nortel major minor myself yet I seem to be going through oxygen rather quickly.. about a 250cu.ft. tank in 5-7 days of on and off working. Is this ridiculously fast or a normal pace? I should also mention that I live in high altitude(7880ft.) would this have an impending factor on how quickly I run through a tank... Also how loud is your exhaust system?
TuBeUlar009 2 years ago
that is slow o2 comsumption. at least compared to me. I can use a 285 in a day flat if I am working large and complex! I would say that is a good average rate for serious hobby/entry level buisness. its nuts how much you can burn when you go crazy. I am actually thinking of adding a lathe and hand torches, I bet my O2 will skyrocket the first few months as I push my limits and see how far I can take the complexity of my work. I am nuts though!-)
acroduster 2 years ago
Thank you for the reply this makes me feel slightly better about going through so much oxy. All the information you have shared has already benefited my work and my wallet in so many ways so thanks again. I am switching over from the nortel to a barracuda and a GTT Delta E so I am also considering switching over to liquid oxy but this also demands that I be working everyday. Hopefully when everything arrives I'll make a video of the shop and post it with the results....
TuBeUlar009 2 years ago
be prepared, I have seen a delta empty a 285 in 3.2 hours! if you really want to work on the scale and size of the delta, but also want the precision of the cudda, have you looked at the three ring delta mag? its a good option! and liquid will save you a ton, and at that scale and size, I would recomend you just go for it and be a glass artist! but thats just me and I am obviously hooked and willing to take chances.-)
acroduster 2 years ago
It is a big step, and one I am willing to take but I do have to make sure I am ready. I have invested quite a bit at this point, enough to get me going for about 6 months plus all equipment needed but I will most likely continue to hold jobs for at least a little while longer to make sure I can support myself just making glass, my dream and ultimate goal. I do believe it is safe to say I am obsessed with glass in every way. Oh yeah and the way you touch the Delta E in this video turns...me...on!
TuBeUlar009 2 years ago
Im about to upgrade to either a 4 port Pm2d or a Delta Elite. Since they are only $5 between the two of them I need to know wich is more versatile? Can a 4 port pm2d get that sharp of a flame? Do you know how sharp you can get the flame on the delta? Thnx for the vids they are awsome. I'm picking up so much off youtube. I'm trying swichback reversals on color tube then doing a blow in on a clear inside out. noce I get it down it will be sick. You might want to do a vid on blow ins. Thnx again
milowerx69 2 years ago
its totally a personal preference, I love the pm2d, and it can definately handle the same scale work. and they are both laminar flow torches. both surface mix, both can do sharp flames, your call. the pm2d requires liquid cooling, the delta is gas cooled, and runs nice and cool. I really went with the pm2d because I got it used from a friend for less than a barracudda costs new.-)
acroduster 2 years ago
how much would a normal hot head torch be???
superdan122 2 years ago
depennds on who you buy it from, and if they are running a deal, check out whaleapparatus and winshipdesigns to find current pricing. be aware, that a hot head, is a non oxidized torch, and will not produce enough heat to work borosilicate glass, though it will work morretti.
acroduster 2 years ago
Great video. I have a lot of folks ask me about torches, now I can send them to this video. My workhorse is the Mirage but I also have the Barracuda and my trusty old Minor in my studio.
hotglass 2 years ago
thank you, I wish I had been smart enough to never have parted with my whale firebird. I loved that thing! I would probably have turned it into a hand torch by now, but it would still be working!-)
obviously, I am a slut for bethlehem, I wish I knew how to better extract performance from the other torches as well. especially that beast the delta elite! crap what a beast, it actually out flows the pm2d by a bit, kind of freaked me how fast it could suck the o2 and propane!-)
acroduster 2 years ago
3:25 hahaha
ch20polo6 3 years ago
nice vids Check mine
liqidearth 3 years ago
Excellent video! I spent an entire evening going through them all...thanks for your time and effort in making them. Picking up on your Redmax suggestion to utubber97, what are your O2 system recommendations to match up with the Redmax?
MetalboneL 3 years ago
it really depends on if you are just starting out and face the steep initial learning curve, or if you are ready to go into production. for me the only o2 source that truly serves my needs is a 5500 cubit foot tank of liquid oxygen. it lasts me around 30-45 days depending on what type of work I am doing, and it keeps my o2 cost down. but if you are starting out, a 285 or k tank should do you pretty good. the o2 source option thing seems to be a reocuring problem for us boro people.
acroduster 3 years ago
Thanks Acro. I just called Airgas (in Los Angeles), they said a 300cf k tank costs $400 plus $30 per refill. The K tank weighs about 200 lbs. The smaller 125 cf tank costs $200 and $20 per refill. As an option to purchasing a tank, rental regardless of tank size is about $14/tank/month. I may do a 300 and a 125 cf tank as a back up. This is still cheaper than a series of concentrators and has better flow rates. Thanks again.
MetalboneL 3 years ago
awesome videos man thanks for the info.
i think im going to start off with a midrange plus with minor torch ontop. i wa thinking premix on top but im not going to be JUST using boro glass. good idea?
ps hularious little jigg you did at the end
beachboy8969 3 years ago
i would go surface mix all the way, but then I am in love with surface mix! I love being able to go straight from a boro workflow, straight to morreti. and I like the nice quiet flame. but internal does have some advantages, they are not better, just different!
acroduster 3 years ago
yeah i got a gtt bobcat for a begginer torch. might bump up to a phantom or Max, still not sure.
MORE VIDS MORE VIDS
beachboy8969 3 years ago
well max is 450-500 and phantom is 1200. thats a big price difference...
d3tach3d 2 years ago
really nice video
i am also a glass artist and i started out with a minor and worked with soft glass and and now i am starting to get more into glass blowing bu it is just so frustrating on my crappy little minor so i was looking into a GTT cheetah and was woundering if you new of any other better torches out there in the same price range?
atothebtotheell 3 years ago
more videos like this pls
kpshc 3 years ago
You have a 'ventialltion' tag on the video, but nothing about it in there(tho the system you have looks good in the video ;-D ). I was hoping to find out what kind of temperature the fan has to be able to handle with a big flamethrower -- I'm upgrading to a 50mm Herbie, so my old kitchen hood is obsolete.
HexeFroschbein 3 years ago
if the blowers are moving enough air the temperature never gets high, I have stuck a thermocouple porbe right up in the intake while both bethlehems are running at absolute max and the air temp never gets above 115. most commercial blowers are rated above that. it should be noted that my overhead hood blower alone moves 1200 cubic feet per minute. and the in bench blower moves another 750.
acroduster 3 years ago
so what torch would you suggest for $400. Im a newbie
utubber97 3 years ago
gtt lynx
wow2fast4me 3 years ago
red max!
acroduster 3 years ago
GTT rocks!!!!!!
utubber97 3 years ago
they are definately the biggest current craze. they consume way to much o2 for cost effective production once you get past a certain size with them. but do not buy the bullshit hype, they are not capable of doing anything that could not be done with a different torch. its all about the artist, not at all about the torch.
acroduster 3 years ago
awesome vid
walker2508 3 years ago