@redtortoise76 TKD is identical to fencing, kendo, boxing, etc. If you ask an honest person they'll tell you that. (don't listen to anyone who sounds insecure or proud). Hapkido (IF learned right and simply), Krav Maga, McMap, and a few others will give you a chance to stay alive. Remember that fighting is a chance, never a guarantee. Stabbing, throwing and beating weapons are the easiest to find, and you WILL see them in a fight. Remember to duck the rock/brick/etc.
You never want to push your opponent away from you. the opener here is good, you block the knife, perhaps it hits your arm but remember that this is supposed to save your life not prevent non-critical injuries, so at the same time as blocking yoou hit hit him preferebly right on his throat, not once but about 15 times! and then grab his knife arm and disarm him. You want to hit him as much as possible or else he'll be able to fight back and you'll lose the upper hand. basically; never back down.
This will work if ur extremely lucky and ur attacker is extremely stupid! No knife fighter is gonna come at u like Jason! The blade will be dancing and flashing all over the place. If u block like that ur arm will get split open like barbequed brisket! This technique is a panic reaction. If ur caught totally unaware then u would probably end up doing something like this because u wouldn't have time to think. But if u have time to think then never do any shit like this! LOL!
Good if ur caught completely off guard which the most difficult scenario to handle. We're talking pure instinct here! No time to think and definitely no time to query your database of MA techniques! However, this technique leaves ur attacker in free fighting mode and it's likely to only disrupt him momentarily. That's good if the plan is to run away. But if ur forced to stand and fight then he's gonna come right back and he's still fully mobile. So u need follow ups & finishes to this.
the similarities between Imi Lichtenfeld's Krav Maga and William Cheung's brand of Wing Chun are striking (pun intended)... I wonder if one met the other somewhere along the way?
This doesn't work. If this was done in some classical style, people would be criticizing it here. But since it's Krav Maga, some pseudo-military art that's allegedly field tested, then people think it's legit.
Can you pull off a simutaneous punch/block in full contact sparring? Most people don't have the reflexes and motors skills . It's hard enough to block alone. It's easier to evade, bob, and weave or maybe parry. And who holds a knife like that and stabs downward like Norman Bates?
I disagree, this absolutely works. The simple and natural motion of the block is going to be what most people do instinctively when they see something coming at them (btw this defense will work against any angle, not just from downward stab)
A simple punch with the opposite hand creates a simultaneous counter that helps to change the dynamic of the fight as quickly as possible.
A simultaneous block n strike is well within normal capabilities... a simple attitude rewiring from the universal flinch and cover defensive reflex to a forward aggressive response.
gcdinfo, sure the stab is Psycho-style: so psychos don't stab people, huh? ;-D Nor do women, weak people, streetpunks and the Chinese, Russians or Phillipinos, eh?
Well what would half the world's Special Forces know, eh, gcd?
However a tighter arcing stab is actually a nightmare to defend. Try it against the point being forward, central and low with tight arcs and very varying angles, from L to R, R to L etc. Just when you think you can maintain contact on his forearm all the knifer needs is a flick of the wrist down & you get the point. Hence the need for instant wrist grabbing and/or distraction strike. Of course he can also drop and turn back, tearing free with a hooking rip. You gotta be very fast!
Yes, but different strikes have different defense using the same principles.
Wrist control (as you called wrist grabbing) is absolutely effective in many contexts.
When it comes down to someone who knows what hes doing with a knife and isnt trying to throw a commited full swing strike at you.... as in when someone is trying to fake you out and cut you, odds are he will
many many scenarios, its kinda pointless to discuss in what context something works or doesnt... theres 2 many
Agreed. Fortunately most knife attacks are incompetent & lacking commitment of will. What irks me is when "experts" make absolute and total assertions when a little thought would produce many disproving exceptions to their dogma or implications
As you say, it is a very large & complex subject. The potential ramifications from even unarmed fights can stun the mind into paralysis or mistake. The social impacts of conflict are horribly neglected by most "self-defence" "experts".
Do have mercy on yourself as far as legal and criminal repercussions might occur though! Neutralizing the threat is the worthy aim, not hurt. Unbalancing and defeating a foe without harm is an testing art though, punching being simpler. The gungho talk from America makes Brits laugh knowing our terribly repressive and unfair "justice" system. Over here you best not be stabbing or stomping in self-defence if you like freedom [unless there are no hostile witnesses , heh heh :D ] .
@danielskipp1 We have the same justice system in Australia. I would much rather be in the docks defending a manslaughter charge for accidentally killing an attacker than in the box the attacker was trying to put me in.
Of course... it is the same NormanMasonicRoman buttfuck [scuse my French!]
At least the Anglo-Saxons recognised our God-given right to self-defence!
The Celts were fair... needed, as they were mightily bloodthirsty savages in some ways... like Romans! But the Normans ignored Common Law as much as they could so the Lords could enslave us.
I choose Life! We must balance that vs. the suffering caused from our violence. Kung Fu is training the supreme skill to win peace!
@danielskipp1 Only if you see everything as a weapon or a tool. Remember, this is dancing. With a lover the reward is obvious. In a fight, its the hope to survive. But it's a dance. Your own rhythm inside will guide you best if you know how to listen and surge with it.
Ive seen police videos of martial arts and TKD guys defending against knife attacks over and over again, one after the other. Eventually some of them get through, and the guy ends up dying. Its horrifying to see because the whole time your thinking "HIT HIM, PUNCH HIM, DO SOMETHING" but hes just defending defending defending.
Making the opponent switch to defense is often the best offense
@gcdinfo yes. Simultaneous pungh/block is something that has been in European bareknuckle styles for hundreds of years and was adopted by the Chinese in the application of Wing Chun. Simultaneous striking and blocking, IS something that is easily retained in muscle memory after 3-6 months of hard training. No need to think about it. I learned it quite easily.
As soon as they begin a move, counter it by blocking the strike or movement (pin the elbow) and punch to the side of the head. Job done.
It doesn't necessarily need to be against a knife through. It can just be used against a roundhouse punch. This is just the way the Israeli military use it
Pretty useful move, increases your success % in landing strikes when you block and strike simultaneously instead of the block then strike sequence. Btw, does anybody know if Krav Maga incorporates knife-hand strikes (aka karate chop)? Palm heels are certainly effective but I was wondering what krav maga's take on other empty hand strikes was
It all depends on how the person is attacking you and with what. Palm heel, closed fist and hammer fists, along with elbow strikes are used alot in Krav Maga. Again, it depends on the attack.
@Utahraptor9 krav maga has no rules krav is pretty much the most natural movement is the best movement and that means when you hit, hit hard and with some meaning
nobody attacks with a knife like that...u dont hold the knife with the blade down...so its a great show but unrealistic...plz train realistic situations
this is just one of the probably thousands of simulations they use, just the one they decided to show on the tellie. This is the official system that the IDF uses man. I realise this isn't the best demonstration, but it's a pretty legit and fuckin good system
the show would be better if they didnt say other styles didnt do what they happen to be doing at the time...everywhere they go, they act like the style is the best martial art ever.
I can agree with you on this point. "Bursting" is actually done in many martial arts. Many times block and strikes are taught separately at lower levels as a way to teach proper mechanics. However, once that is learned the moves are combined as one and they flow with each other, just like what KM calls bursting. Just one man's opinion here. Take care and God bless.
@pistol975 that's the problem with many systems though. Instead of teaching the punch/block from day one they train the muscles to do one then the other. Since first impressions last longest this makes it harder to learn further down the track. Because of this people THINK it is hard so they continue to teach one then the other. Krav Maga and Wing Chun teach it from day one and becomes second nature.
i would never hold a knife facing down like that unless i was coming around a corner to my right (i'm right handed) or i saw an opportunity during a fight and flipped it around from the upright position.
If the knifeman is equally skilled he should win.....I think most martial artists etc training vs knife are assuming they will be up against an UNskilled opponent who happens to have a knife?
This is why it's called "self defense" and not "martial arts." Self defense assumes that you have a possibility to defend yourself utilizing methods that are unique to you and give you "the edge." You don't have that edge if your opponent is equally skilled.
The worst (and the most childish) argument against KM is "What if (insert stupid, non-realistic, preferrably a ww3-setting scenario here)??"
You have to remember that most Martial Artists are very prideful, no matter their dicipline(s). So, I'm sure most of them want their opponent to have an equal fight out of respect for them, and themselves. It's a respect thing you know.
This move is not very realistic because it takes for granted that the attacker is not using his live hand. In Kali and Silat the live hand is used just as much as the knife hand. Plus the instructor is very non-chanlant about the cuts that may happen in a deflection. A skilled knife fighter will rotate the knife inward on a deflect and cut the brachial artery. You need to defang the snake not just push it away and hope for no follow-up.
agree and dissagree. when israel trains its soldiers krav maga they need to knwo about that. but when its taught to civilians to stop muggers then the attacker probably doesnt have experience.
You are right, but this is only a yellow belt technique, KM for dummies if you will. A basic defens would continue with restsev (multiplous attacks). When someone attacks with a knife usually doens´t make only one attack, but multiple. And if someone knows what to do will try to cut before stabbing. KM works witj all that, but as always when dealing with knifes you will probably cut yourself. as long as it is not a vital wound...
yeah that is true so the thing is to try to control the attacker n the knife using a cavalier to disarm the attacker.. and inflict as much pain as possible..
that's the beauty of Krav Maga, because the style is connected to so many other styles that if a burst doesnt work they will kick if the kick doesn't work they do a head butt Krav Maga is one of those styles that can do anything at any time in any situation, its been proven because our own SEAL members sometimes use it and think of where Israel is, they need to be able to defend them selves day and night 24/7 from attacks
Wat if the person with the knife is thrusting upward and is crouched?
WolfLutu44 1 month ago
Regurjitated and 'stolen' chinese crap from the 1970's by israeli kosher faggots!
elitept 2 months ago
@redtortoise76 TKD is identical to fencing, kendo, boxing, etc. If you ask an honest person they'll tell you that. (don't listen to anyone who sounds insecure or proud). Hapkido (IF learned right and simply), Krav Maga, McMap, and a few others will give you a chance to stay alive. Remember that fighting is a chance, never a guarantee. Stabbing, throwing and beating weapons are the easiest to find, and you WILL see them in a fight. Remember to duck the rock/brick/etc.
SavageInsight 2 months ago
krav maga have copied this from jeet kune do its nothing new
TheOlipop123 5 months ago
@evokingthought BS. simply BS
XSaukratesX 7 months ago
@redtortoise76 It's not the martial art, it's the martial artist. Jesus, haven't you people realized this yet. Get over the whole "style" thing.
chrisfromoh 7 months ago
2 people would rather get stabbed
Gambit3896 10 months ago 2
You never want to push your opponent away from you. the opener here is good, you block the knife, perhaps it hits your arm but remember that this is supposed to save your life not prevent non-critical injuries, so at the same time as blocking yoou hit hit him preferebly right on his throat, not once but about 15 times! and then grab his knife arm and disarm him. You want to hit him as much as possible or else he'll be able to fight back and you'll lose the upper hand. basically; never back down.
fearmycomments 10 months ago 2
This will work if ur extremely lucky and ur attacker is extremely stupid! No knife fighter is gonna come at u like Jason! The blade will be dancing and flashing all over the place. If u block like that ur arm will get split open like barbequed brisket! This technique is a panic reaction. If ur caught totally unaware then u would probably end up doing something like this because u wouldn't have time to think. But if u have time to think then never do any shit like this! LOL!
osensei2987 11 months ago
Good if ur caught completely off guard which the most difficult scenario to handle. We're talking pure instinct here! No time to think and definitely no time to query your database of MA techniques! However, this technique leaves ur attacker in free fighting mode and it's likely to only disrupt him momentarily. That's good if the plan is to run away. But if ur forced to stand and fight then he's gonna come right back and he's still fully mobile. So u need follow ups & finishes to this.
osensei2987 11 months ago
I enjoy the part where they say "unlike karate there is a simultaneous strike". They really didn't study the same karate that I do :P
NeverAReflection 1 year ago
Whoever comes at you with a knife like that deserves to get destroyed.
TheMMATron 1 year ago
the video gives me adrenaline
TFWC88 1 year ago
the similarities between Imi Lichtenfeld's Krav Maga and William Cheung's brand of Wing Chun are striking (pun intended)... I wonder if one met the other somewhere along the way?
MrRastaVibrations 1 year ago
@redtortoise76 that's a joke?
aladonocturno 1 year ago
This doesn't work. If this was done in some classical style, people would be criticizing it here. But since it's Krav Maga, some pseudo-military art that's allegedly field tested, then people think it's legit.
Can you pull off a simutaneous punch/block in full contact sparring? Most people don't have the reflexes and motors skills . It's hard enough to block alone. It's easier to evade, bob, and weave or maybe parry. And who holds a knife like that and stabs downward like Norman Bates?
gcdinfo 1 year ago
@gcdinfo
I disagree, this absolutely works. The simple and natural motion of the block is going to be what most people do instinctively when they see something coming at them (btw this defense will work against any angle, not just from downward stab)
A simple punch with the opposite hand creates a simultaneous counter that helps to change the dynamic of the fight as quickly as possible.
AltekStudios 1 year ago
@AltekStudios & gcdinfo
A simultaneous block n strike is well within normal capabilities... a simple attitude rewiring from the universal flinch and cover defensive reflex to a forward aggressive response.
gcdinfo, sure the stab is Psycho-style: so psychos don't stab people, huh? ;-D Nor do women, weak people, streetpunks and the Chinese, Russians or Phillipinos, eh?
Well what would half the world's Special Forces know, eh, gcd?
That's enuf sarcasm.
danielskipp1 1 year ago
@AltekStudios
However a tighter arcing stab is actually a nightmare to defend. Try it against the point being forward, central and low with tight arcs and very varying angles, from L to R, R to L etc. Just when you think you can maintain contact on his forearm all the knifer needs is a flick of the wrist down & you get the point. Hence the need for instant wrist grabbing and/or distraction strike. Of course he can also drop and turn back, tearing free with a hooking rip. You gotta be very fast!
danielskipp1 1 year ago
@danielskipp1
Yes, but different strikes have different defense using the same principles.
Wrist control (as you called wrist grabbing) is absolutely effective in many contexts.
When it comes down to someone who knows what hes doing with a knife and isnt trying to throw a commited full swing strike at you.... as in when someone is trying to fake you out and cut you, odds are he will
many many scenarios, its kinda pointless to discuss in what context something works or doesnt... theres 2 many
AltekStudios 1 year ago
@AltekStudios
Agreed. Fortunately most knife attacks are incompetent & lacking commitment of will. What irks me is when "experts" make absolute and total assertions when a little thought would produce many disproving exceptions to their dogma or implications
As you say, it is a very large & complex subject. The potential ramifications from even unarmed fights can stun the mind into paralysis or mistake. The social impacts of conflict are horribly neglected by most "self-defence" "experts".
danielskipp1 1 year ago
@danielskipp1 No mercy against thugs and criminals. Hurt them as hard and as fast as you can while defending yourself until the threat is ended.
RoughNeck205 1 year ago
@RoughNeck205
Do have mercy on yourself as far as legal and criminal repercussions might occur though! Neutralizing the threat is the worthy aim, not hurt. Unbalancing and defeating a foe without harm is an testing art though, punching being simpler. The gungho talk from America makes Brits laugh knowing our terribly repressive and unfair "justice" system. Over here you best not be stabbing or stomping in self-defence if you like freedom [unless there are no hostile witnesses , heh heh :D ] .
danielskipp1 1 year ago
@danielskipp1 We have the same justice system in Australia. I would much rather be in the docks defending a manslaughter charge for accidentally killing an attacker than in the box the attacker was trying to put me in.
The Docks or the Box? Which would you want?
MrRastaVibrations 1 year ago
@MrRastaVibrations
Of course... it is the same NormanMasonicRoman buttfuck [scuse my French!]
At least the Anglo-Saxons recognised our God-given right to self-defence!
The Celts were fair... needed, as they were mightily bloodthirsty savages in some ways... like Romans! But the Normans ignored Common Law as much as they could so the Lords could enslave us.
I choose Life! We must balance that vs. the suffering caused from our violence. Kung Fu is training the supreme skill to win peace!
danielskipp1 1 year ago
@danielskipp1 Only if you see everything as a weapon or a tool. Remember, this is dancing. With a lover the reward is obvious. In a fight, its the hope to survive. But it's a dance. Your own rhythm inside will guide you best if you know how to listen and surge with it.
SavageInsight 2 months ago
@gcdinfo
Ive seen police videos of martial arts and TKD guys defending against knife attacks over and over again, one after the other. Eventually some of them get through, and the guy ends up dying. Its horrifying to see because the whole time your thinking "HIT HIM, PUNCH HIM, DO SOMETHING" but hes just defending defending defending.
Making the opponent switch to defense is often the best offense
AltekStudios 1 year ago
@gcdinfo yes. Simultaneous pungh/block is something that has been in European bareknuckle styles for hundreds of years and was adopted by the Chinese in the application of Wing Chun. Simultaneous striking and blocking, IS something that is easily retained in muscle memory after 3-6 months of hard training. No need to think about it. I learned it quite easily.
As soon as they begin a move, counter it by blocking the strike or movement (pin the elbow) and punch to the side of the head. Job done.
MrRastaVibrations 1 year ago
this is called go bong dar in chinese kung fu. 'high broken wing arm with simultaneous strike'
its old school.
superhumansight 1 year ago
It doesn't necessarily need to be against a knife through. It can just be used against a roundhouse punch. This is just the way the Israeli military use it
Gorgoroth5746 2 years ago
Thats why they teach "Always be aware" its one of the key parts in krav always be aware of your surroundings.
If your aware of the threat u can fight it.
MasterOfFlash92 2 years ago
Pretty useful move, increases your success % in landing strikes when you block and strike simultaneously instead of the block then strike sequence. Btw, does anybody know if Krav Maga incorporates knife-hand strikes (aka karate chop)? Palm heels are certainly effective but I was wondering what krav maga's take on other empty hand strikes was
Utahraptor9 2 years ago
It all depends on how the person is attacking you and with what. Palm heel, closed fist and hammer fists, along with elbow strikes are used alot in Krav Maga. Again, it depends on the attack.
Mixx1290 2 years ago
@Utahraptor9 krav maga has no rules krav is pretty much the most natural movement is the best movement and that means when you hit, hit hard and with some meaning
xrunningincircles 1 year ago
nobody attacks with a knife like that...u dont hold the knife with the blade down...so its a great show but unrealistic...plz train realistic situations
TierDrama 2 years ago
this is just one of the probably thousands of simulations they use, just the one they decided to show on the tellie. This is the official system that the IDF uses man. I realise this isn't the best demonstration, but it's a pretty legit and fuckin good system
MrPirate93 2 years ago
@TierDrama not true thats the attack position. holding it blade up is the stabbing position so yes many people hold a knife upside down
Kman4030 1 year ago
the show would be better if they didnt say other styles didnt do what they happen to be doing at the time...everywhere they go, they act like the style is the best martial art ever.
darkmonkey342 2 years ago
Krav Maga is not an art...It's a concept of Self Defense..Yes Krav is better than BJJ at Life or Death situations...
xchargerOUx 2 years ago
I can agree with you on this point. "Bursting" is actually done in many martial arts. Many times block and strikes are taught separately at lower levels as a way to teach proper mechanics. However, once that is learned the moves are combined as one and they flow with each other, just like what KM calls bursting. Just one man's opinion here. Take care and God bless.
pistol975 2 years ago 2
@pistol975 that's the problem with many systems though. Instead of teaching the punch/block from day one they train the muscles to do one then the other. Since first impressions last longest this makes it harder to learn further down the track. Because of this people THINK it is hard so they continue to teach one then the other. Krav Maga and Wing Chun teach it from day one and becomes second nature.
MrRastaVibrations 1 year ago
i would never hold a knife facing down like that unless i was coming around a corner to my right (i'm right handed) or i saw an opportunity during a fight and flipped it around from the upright position.
jdepps13 2 years ago
im sure you do it often enough to actually have a useful opinion.
pottsy40 2 years ago
come find me on the street sometime and you can find out, smartass.
jdepps13 2 years ago
'on the street'
what?
are you living in a 70's timewarp?
pottsy40 2 years ago
yes i have my own delorean with a flux capacitor. great scott!
jdepps13 2 years ago
1.21 Gigawatts!
mrhumperleg 2 years ago
is it me or does chamber look like a small version of David boreanaz??
zkdevil 3 years ago
If the knifeman is equally skilled he should win.....I think most martial artists etc training vs knife are assuming they will be up against an UNskilled opponent who happens to have a knife?
spindoktorr 3 years ago 3
This is why it's called "self defense" and not "martial arts." Self defense assumes that you have a possibility to defend yourself utilizing methods that are unique to you and give you "the edge." You don't have that edge if your opponent is equally skilled.
The worst (and the most childish) argument against KM is "What if (insert stupid, non-realistic, preferrably a ww3-setting scenario here)??"
Aressahk 3 years ago 2
"if you think its a fair fight, you greatly underestimate your opponent." unknown author
zachbdude 2 years ago
You have to remember that most Martial Artists are very prideful, no matter their dicipline(s). So, I'm sure most of them want their opponent to have an equal fight out of respect for them, and themselves. It's a respect thing you know.
dalejrfan800 2 years ago
This move is not very realistic because it takes for granted that the attacker is not using his live hand. In Kali and Silat the live hand is used just as much as the knife hand. Plus the instructor is very non-chanlant about the cuts that may happen in a deflection. A skilled knife fighter will rotate the knife inward on a deflect and cut the brachial artery. You need to defang the snake not just push it away and hope for no follow-up.
MushaTetsujin 3 years ago
agree and dissagree. when israel trains its soldiers krav maga they need to knwo about that. but when its taught to civilians to stop muggers then the attacker probably doesnt have experience.
zachbdude 2 years ago
You are right, but this is only a yellow belt technique, KM for dummies if you will. A basic defens would continue with restsev (multiplous attacks). When someone attacks with a knife usually doens´t make only one attack, but multiple. And if someone knows what to do will try to cut before stabbing. KM works witj all that, but as always when dealing with knifes you will probably cut yourself. as long as it is not a vital wound...
nmiguelrmoura 2 years ago
krav maga= LEGIT
seanyay456 3 years ago 2
yeah that is true so the thing is to try to control the attacker n the knife using a cavalier to disarm the attacker.. and inflict as much pain as possible..
coups048 3 years ago
I laughed so hard when I heard Bill say in the show that bursting is unique to Krav Maga and that he's never seen that in any other martial art. lol
Other arts have this also. It's nothing new.
It's effective and that's why they use it.
This particular knife attack is a bit unrealistic because who the hell attacks like that? But I think Krav Maga is a realistic martial art over all.
JKDLIFER 3 years ago 2
0:36 Bill got pissed when he put his hand in his face.
GoodEvenings 3 years ago
who attacks with a knife overhead like that?..
matt99is 3 years ago 2
college boys giving demonstrations LOL
fracturedminds 3 years ago
the killer from "Scream" does xD
fokjoe 3 years ago
people attack with knifes in ALL ways you can imagine. sometimes you'd even see this.
DuraheLL 2 years ago 6
@DuraheLL
that's the beauty of Krav Maga, because the style is connected to so many other styles that if a burst doesnt work they will kick if the kick doesn't work they do a head butt Krav Maga is one of those styles that can do anything at any time in any situation, its been proven because our own SEAL members sometimes use it and think of where Israel is, they need to be able to defend them selves day and night 24/7 from attacks
sniperpistol50 7 months ago
that animation would be a great physics engine
fantastibones 3 years ago
LOL
misfit1978 4 years ago
there's a move like this in TKD.
zenofdarkness 4 years ago 3