Boulez: "Eclat"

[pipaspaz]

Why it's not complete?

[musicguy119]

For some reason, my mind read "Boulez" as "Berlioz" and for a while I was very confused.

[stratenberg55]

quel taré ce boulez, il prend vraiment les gens pour des cons !

[TassiloDavid]

Sony screwed up.  Éclat ends with the attack that occurs between 9:14 and 9:15 of this video. This final sonority resonates until there is a fresh attack between 9:22 and 9:23. That fresh attack is actually the beginning of Multiples.

[mahler151]

Can't we just destroy the steretype that only pretentious d-bags listen to this kind of music? you don't have to be some kind of snob trying to look intelligent to enjoy this, you simply need to not be so closed minded.

[stathagranak]

sr19, most famous composers use a limited number of intervals reletive to the tonal center (in terms of harmony). This is completely random and that is what makes this music so much more limitless than your typical dominant sequence bullshit. Don't get me wrong Beethoven and Bach are good, but they couldn't possibly use all twelve notes in a composition without modulating key signatures. In serialism there are 144 possibilities of tone rows without transposition. In diatonic systems there are 49

[Bongoke]

@stathagranak If anything serialism limits the composers output. The fact that you completely confine yourself to these mere 49 possibilities is almost the equivalent of inventing your own musical prison. Why not drop structure at all? I don't want music to proove some mathematical banality to me.

[sr19]

the notes have no musical relationship what so ever

[stathagranak]

the notes are relevant in relative harmony. there probably aren't many perfect fifths or major/minor 3rds but a musician who studies more than two types of intervals and what they sound like may be able to pull a great deal from this peice

[sr19]

granted, i am not an extremely accompished musician, but dont treat me like an infant. some of the most famous composers in history produced composed very complex music, but it worked beautifully and sounded amazing. this does not. and they are not in relative harmony. they are completely random.

[TassiloDavid]

Either that or you haven't yet discerned the musical relationships that are, in fact, there. That isn't to say that you couldn't learn to discern them by further listening.

[sr19]

i love how all the toffee nosed ponces are just like 'oh ya its great'. how the fuck can this be considered music? its just noise, random notes

[Crudblud89]

Music can and will be perceived differently by anyone who hears it. You don't like this music, which is fine, and I do understand your point about the possibility of some fans being pretentious, but not all of them are, some people -like myself- do genuinely enjoy this music, and aren't merely using it for appearances.

[freelancerkthnx]

To be honest I have never understood the accusations that fans of this music are "using it for appearances" - I can't ever recall a case in everyday life (at least in my own experience) where it has boosted the social status of the person who claimed to like this music... if anything it might get a raised eyebrow and change of conversation topic...

[PertinaciousOne]

@freelancerkthnx

I think what was meant was that pretentious people create an appearance in front of other people who are legitimate fans of this and genuinely appreciate it.

[7867088]

@Crudblud89 but I really like it and I like I. Xenakis too...and never for appearances!

[Bolenderable]

It sounds mysterious, dramatic, glittering, and sensuous to me. But if you don't like it ... so what? It's not harming you.

[finewines]

is this conducted by boulez himself?

[NewMusicXX]

yes, this is the Boulez version

[ThorSpirit]

sounds like music from "The Skull" horror film .

[utahcimbalom]

Wonderful performance!

[herma57]

Merci beaucoup,

[ptyxs]

Magnificent...