World's Deadliest Aircraft - P-47D Part 1

[colindhowell]

@machoverspeed Even that isn't right. Empty weight of the P-47 was more like four and a half to five and a half tons. With blatant errors like that, whoever edited the script for this show should be sacked.

[alphbet69]

@2:32 "...and plus also, it could take a lot of damage." This guy huukd on foniks.

[irish89055]

is that an F 100 the jug flies over at the end??

[firstperson760]

@irish89055 It's looks more like a F-105 Thunderchief.

[HansHansiHansen]

the series should be called "America´s Deadliest Aircraft"

[frepi]

@HansHansiHansen

That is the problem when all WWII movies come from the same country.

[bigkitten]

Shut up, you lot! The Jug was a brilliant aircraft at what it did. Don't try and compare it with pure fighters. One of the sexiest fighter-bombers there was.

[Tigergruppen88]

@bigkitten its mighty its powerful.. but its not beautiful... its a flying cow...

[bigkitten]

@Tigergruppen88 Well, it's a subjective thing, isn't it? I think it's nice. Wings a little like the Spitfire's when seen from above.

[flightdeckreviews]

@bigkitten Yes I completely agree with you! Why compare a ground attack aircraft to a pure air combat aircraft?!

It was used mainly to attack tanks and infatry vechicles not to fight 109s and 190s. Also its the father of the best ground attack fighter in the world right now: The A-10 Warthog/Thunderbolt II! The reason the called it the thunderbolt II is because the the Thunderbolt IS and always WILL BE a ground attack aircraft!

[My49ers4life]

@flightdeckreviews That is completely false. The P47 was designed from the beginning as a high altitude fighter and it was one of the best of the war. The top two aces in the ETO were P47 pilots and something like 7 of the top 10 US ETO aces were P47 pilots. It was only later adapted for ground support and became a multirole fighter when it was found that it could sustain heavy damage and still fly. But it is still a fighter period.

[burjegol]

@flightdeckreviews

the p-47 is one of the finest high altitude fighter. It has a 2 stage turbo charger system. Pilots affectionately called them the 7 ton milk bottle.

and it was the p-47s who pushed back the LW from the channel to Germany before the advent of the p-51s. the novice jug pilots slugged it out with the veteran yellow noses of the famed abbeville boys in their 109s and 190s.

and most importantly, it can absorb a lot of punishment as it can dish out to its adversary.

[USSWISCONSIN64]

Get a P-51D vs a P-47D. who would win?

[300bruns1990]

@USSWISCONSIN64 fighting each other? well then equal altitudes p-51, give the p-47 more than 1000 feet advantage in altitude, it'll rip that 51 to shreds, but it can't turn or climb with the mustang at altitude, but it will definitely outdive and outshoot a stang

[USSWISCONSIN64]

@300bruns1990 sadly. we will never find out. only use computers to see but they r wrong. u need two pilots and a P-51D and P-47D and fight not in a computer game but real life.

[300bruns1990]

@USSWISCONSIN64 my analysis comes from both talking to former pilots of those aircraft, and their assessment of how those aircraft perform in IL-2 surmovik forgotten battles, and other than the p-51's engine giving out a bit too easily they agree the modeled aircraft are quite close to the performance armament and survivability levels of the real aircraft.

going with that and my experience piloting both aircraft in IL-2 *shrugs*

[300bruns1990]

@300bruns1990 the p-47 is more of an energy fighter, like the 109's and 190's of the Luftwaffe, not that great in a turning dogfight, but if you hoard your energy and make strafing passes you can take on anything, which is why I say give the 47 and advantage in altitude and it has a damned good chance of taking out a 51, level the playing field and the 51 will out turn and out climb the 47.

this is really the problem when comparing aircraft, unless they're the same type (cont.)

[300bruns1990]

@300bruns1990 unless your looking at 2 energy fighters, or 2 furballers/dogfighters, it's very hard to make a fair comparison, take a classic example that saw action against each other, spits and 109's, even the playing field the spit would heat up a 109, it would just flat outturn and outfly the 109, the 109 given an energy advantage, would typically rip the spit to shreds,

however there aren't really any good historical references for this, as you hardly end up with 1v1 even energy fights

[USSWISCONSIN64]

@300bruns1990 don't really care which is better. just to fly them all is all i want to do. Planes and Battleships are my favorite thing.

[Mattebubben]

@USSWISCONSIN64 well depends on alot of things who got higher speed who is Above who and at what Alltitude and ofc what pilot

[USSWISCONSIN64]

@Mattebubben has to be the same allitude. no differences. has to be a fair fight.

[dgareea31swtg]

Hooah! Love that Thunderbolt - best plane of WWII.

Check out "P-47 Pilots: the Fighter-Bomber Boys," written by Jug pilot Tom Glenn. Certainly the best first-hand account of flying the TBolt in WWII that I've read. Glenn explains why he wouldn't trade his Jug for a Mustang...

[Tyco200]

P-47D, with all respect, was one of the greatest in the world.

[Tyco200]

P-47 was amazing. Kicked ass in stormy weathers over Europe, and was ruged and reliable. Kept on fighting till the end. Sure, the British laughed at it in the beginning, but soon started using them. ^^ P-47 was one of the best in the world.

[katey1dog]

4:32

A Republic F-105 Thunderchief?

[lesterclaypool1]

@katey1dog i believe so ,,,

[randy95023]

For close air support in support of armored and infantry advances the P47 was hard to beat. When it found its place on the battlefield and was finally utilized in its role as a Tank Buster it was excellent. When the US heavy armored divisions were being hammered by the heavier German Tanks while crossing France in late '44 they would have been stopped several times when cloudy weather kept the P47's grounded. This proved their value in a measurable way.

GREAT PLANE!

[turbinetechca]

The Thunderbolt had a rear mounted turbo and intercooler that was cooling down the air charge before it enters the pressurized carb. The charge was then directed into the crankshaft driven supercharger and compressed a second time before finally reaching the combustion chambers of the radial engine. This is when engineers first discovered the benefits of water/methanol injection after pilots repeatedly reported power increase when flying through rain-charged clouds.

[turbinetechca]

Turbo and turbosuperchargers are two different things. Turbo is the exhaust gas driven device located at the back of the fuselage directly behind the pilot whereas the turbosupercharger is the whole system refering to force feeding an engine by mean of two air compressing devices in the likes of a turbocharger and a supercharger. Quite advanced technology for the time.

[colindhowell]

@turbinetechca No, they aren't. "Turbo", like "turbocharger", is what you get when people start looking for a shorter way to say a mouthful like "turbosupercharger". You've described the P-47's system correctly, but the term "turbosupercharger" is not meant to describe the whole system. It's simply the full term for a supercharger driven by an exhaust turbine as opposed to one driven by an engine crankshaft. As you've described, the P-47 had one of each.

[turbinetechca]

@colindhowell Ahhhh! Thanks for clearing that up. Do you know how engine with a single supercharger were called? Also, do you know of any force fed planes running on turbo only?

[pramboy09]

are there any NON american aircraft included in this series or is it yet another flag waving and chest beating exercise?

[jacobsjam1]

yes

[Yamieguy64]

There are non-American a/c out there? Not according to these guys! :)

[Dogmeat1950]

@pramboy09, yes there is. but the military channel only shows small clips on the net MAYBE if you had the military channel then YES you could watch the whole damn show and see planes like the 109 or the spit etc.

[pramboy09]

@Dogmeat1950 So what you are saying in the series "worlds deadliest aircraft" they do have some non- american types in it?

[Dogmeat1950]

yes it does.

there is a reason why it's called WORLDS DEADLIEST aircraft lol.

[pramboy09]

@Dogmeat1950 what were they? Your country does have a track record saying your the best at things without even considering the rest of the world.

[Dogmeat1950]

@pramboy09, really stop being a smart ass jerk. it's a Program that is aired in the USA and Canada, the other planes they show are the popular ones like the Spitfire,the 109,the FW190,ZERO.

I highly doubt in your country of NEW Zealand there going to show the might of the french air force in ww2 lol. or have the funding to show such a program. sorry u have to be a cheap ass and look at bits and clips or a show. might as well judge a book by it's cover.

[pramboy09]

Well we have the history channel, discovery, national geographic and all the others except the military channel, which most military stuff is on the history channel here. But mostly i read books, shit load of them and don't rely on the military channel or history because ALOT of the time they are fucken wrong.If the french airfrorce had designed a world beating aircraft then i would think it would be on the military channel ....but no shit it's not!! the dewoitine D.520 wasnt bad, heard of it?

[Dogmeat1950]

ya think it's a French aircraft if I remember right.

hell italy made a better fighter lol.

[pramboy09]

@Dogmeat1950 actuallly the dewoitine D.520 wasn't a bad aircraft it could dogfight with the 109E but was coming into service just as France fell. The italians had some good aircraft as well but had crap engines to power them, mostly underpowered. They did use the DB 601A (the same engine used on the Kawasaki Ki-61A Hien) which gave their aircraft a huge performance boost.

[JManGuitar5150]

This thing is HUGE!!!

[davidatheist]

Empty weight: 10,000 lb (4,536 kg)

Max takeoff weight: 17,500 lb (7,938 kg) this is a lot more that 3 1/2 tons stated in this video

[musigenesis]

Turbochargers and superchargers are both devices that compress air fed to the engine. A turbocharger uses exhaust gases from the engine to spin a turbine that does the compression, whereas a supercharger is directly attached to the engine's drive shaft. A turbo-supercharger does compression both ways.

[lordieuan777]

No, a turbo-supercharger is just the full name for a turbo. What you're talking about is a twincharger system.

[nolifemerc]

lol funny toppoing of word the p-47 vaavlavlavlavlavvaavavav blalbla deadly

[Vermiliontea]

People, "turbo" and "turbosupercharger" is the very same thing. And that happens to be a supercharger that is driven not by a shaft from the engine directly, but by a turbine placed in the exhaust.

Thermodynamically, it's a much better idea than a supercharger. Don't know that many WW2 aircrafts used it though. P-47 and P-38...

[ernie750]

Turbos were priority for heavy bombers primarily. P-47 and P-38 were the only two fighters equipped, being designed as intercepters.

[baelsharon]

don't believe the hype, the airacobra and mustang had it, la-5, the fw-190 dora had it, spitfire, raiden, tons of ww 2 fighters. had supa chargas.

[ernie750]

Everything had superchargers, but what killed the Allison-engined planes was they only had a single-stage supercharger and were near-worthless for combat above 15,000 feet or so. The only reason the Mustang got the Merlin was its two-stage/two-speed supercharger.

[flyboy333]

I'm glad you pointed out that a turbo is a form of supercharger, I was going to explain that...

[de4th1snt3nough]

at 4:31 is it flying next to a starfighter? LOL its a jet of something

[killingamps]

Figure that the flyby is at Republic Field, and that is an early F-105 mockup.

As an aside, Hub Zemke had a propellor strike with his P-47 while strafing a German airfield in late '44, and was captured. While en route to the Luftstalag, the train he was on was strafed, and a 14 year old German girl in the car that Zemke was riding in took a .50 round that blew her head off. Tthe Luftwaffe guard that was escorting Zemke saved his life, as the other occupants of the train car wanted revenge.

[de4th1snt3nough]

oh sweeet thx

[mad91K]

Yep , your stupid mate. There are turbo-super charges , like the ones fitted in late B25

[danrbfish]

turbosupercharger? I'm pretty sure it was just a turbo. Maybe i'm stupid but I dont think there is such a thing as a turbosupercharger.

[de4th1snt3nough]

your not stupid and idk why ppl are giving u thumbs down because i thought it was messed up too until i researched it

[agwhitaker]

They do little or no checking of the facts for these videos.

Watch the video on the Grumman TBF Avenger. Hey, it was armed with "50 millimeter machine-guns". That's a biiiig automatic weapon.

[devonmickle]

this show has a view historical inaccuracies

[KGero478]

The video says the P-47D weighed three tons loaded, I thought it was 8 tons

[MastaMag]

You are right. 4.5 Metric tons unloaded and 8 Loaded.