@majrplayr55 not trying to be rude.. but at the end of the day its a corvette with a top speed 201!! germen and Europeans have been hitting 200+ the last 10 years and US finally its trying to catch up. not trying to be rude. but kinda lame.
@hhsfball05 how'd did you figure out that one einstein!! how long did it take us to do that? the oldest damn lambo hit that speed!! with all the money the us has.. they would of thrown in a few 200+ cars!! think about it. no bs just speaking the truth.
@Tunerboy1990 lame??? lightning is a truck by the way. and a hell of a lot heavier. also the lightning off the showroom floor runs 13.5s .. just stating true facts.. lmfao
@whb1965 your funny! how about you read, check forums, statistics.. gto 4100 pounds, charger 4500, a ford f150 lighting is 4580 pounds, and if you get wider rims from factory it ads about 20 or so pounds more man. max the shitty suv can be is 4700 punds. funny thing is the svt is supercharged on all the and gets 13.5. gto stock 400 hp gets 12.8-13 seconds. charger.. 13-13.5 LMFAO..
and a hit of work learn what to say before you be a smart ass!!
@whb1965 your funny! how about you read, check forums, statistics.. gto 4100 pounds, charger 4500, a ford f150 lighting is 4580 pounds, and if you get wider rims from factory it ads about 20 or so pounds more man. max the shitty suv can be is 4700 pounds. funny thing is the svt is supercharged on all the and gets 13.5. gto stock 400 hp gets 12.8-13 seconds. charger.. 13-13.5 LMFAO..
and a hit of work learn what to say before you be a smart ass!!
wow thats why i'm damn proud of my 93 formula TA(LT1) I/E CHIP 160STAT 3.73's
consistant-13.80's considering i bought it back in 2000 for 7 grand(my midlife crisis
car lol) it now has 129,000mi and runs like a beast(i do take care of it well)but considering these cars are running just .4/.5 sec quicker but cost a whole lot more,i'm pretty happy(hmmm maybe time for a 100 shot) ???
I have to say just because a car as 400 HP don't mean its fast weight is everything.And the Challenger is a Porker a nice desighn but not drag car at 4150lbs without a driver..
@JoeyBstrokedRB yeah but unfortunately that is why the GTO is only slightly faster...coming in around 4000lbs....I have seen a GTO wrecked at 135mph and the only injury was a broken leg...so im guessing the weight serves a purpose.
@killerfreak180 GTO is probobly stock....thats about what a M6 LS2 GTO can run with a driver who knows how to launch it and good rubber...didnt sound like the GTO burned em at the launch thats where the good time comes from...
@shelby299229 it's still American muscle because the part where it gets it's muscle from the engine is American so technically you can go around saying it's Australian like we would care but we can say it's American muscle and be just as right
@n0b0dy19871 It's American that's my point it's an American designed so it is correct to call it American but also to tell you not all LS engines are built in Canada. Some are built in Bowling Green and some are built in other places.
@Elcamino540 this GTO is just a rebadged Holden Monaro from Australia. it does have a GM engine from the sates but it was designed and originally build in Australia as the Monaro and then using the same design built in the states as the GTO
@TVRnGTR Yeah, Australian with an ALL AMERICAN engine, trans, axle, and PCM!!! How Australian is that, mate?!?!?! Making a body of sheet metal is very easy, by the way!!!
@TVRnGTR Yes, you're right! An AUSTRALIAN car, with ALL AMERICAN engine, trans, and PCM. And with ALL SAUDI oil!!! You see, your pussy is still right! Okay now, go jerk off!
@TVRnGTR the only thing australian about it is the chassis, the entire powertrain is american, and all of your australian cars with ls7's ls2's ls3's ls1's etc. etc. all have american motors powering them. Just an fyi.
@Feenyxxx95 hang on... the only thing American in the Monaro is the powertrain. The only thing Australian in the new Chev Camaro is the chassis, but do you hear Aussies trying to tell you thats not an American car? And if its the motor that decides a car's nationality, then the Aston Martin DB9 must be american too...
@B70Valkyrie I was simply discrediting the fact he was claiming a pontiac gto, rebadged monaro or not, an austrailian car. The Camaro on the other hand, is a Chevrolet camaro. So they'd have no reason to not call a chevy camaro an american car. I've got every reason to claim a pontiac gto to not be austrailian if you want to get technical. In this essence though, we're talking about a drag race, where the powertrain is the biggest determining factor.... which is american. Understand
@B70Valkyrie And as far as the aston being american. No, its a british automaker building it under a british banner. Aston martin. Of course it's not american. As I said, the guy called out the gto as being australian, when it is marketed under the pontiac nameplate, with an american powertrain, in a drag race. I believe I had every reason to call him back on it. And for the record, because of trans gearing alone, the gto is quicker than the monaro both with the ls2 equipped.
@B70Valkyrie and one more point i'd like to make, Say aston martin, took an american chassis, like the Y body corvette from Gm, and put under it, their own powertrain, and badged it as an aston martin. I then go into a thread showing a video of it drag racing another british car, and saying "you're just pissed an american car beat up on your british pile." It wouldn't make sense would it?.
@Feenyxxx95 However the Pontiac GTO wasn't built in America, it was built in a Holden factory in Elizabeth, South Australia. And the Pontiac GTO is quicker than a CV8 Monaro, because it is the American version of the HSV Coupe GTO and not the Holden CV8, which is the same basic car, although with slower steering and a very low-tuned LS1. If the Aston Martin was built in America, and used an american power train, I think you would be fully justified in calling that an American car.
@B70Valkyrie And no, the ls2 gto is quicker than the ls2 monaro vxr which yes I know is a vauxhall, but the reason is because the ls2 gto has the M12 tranny from the c5 z06 corvette, which is geared aggressively. Of course its going to be quicker than its ls1 cousin. To bad that isn't the case against the LS1 f bodies.
@Feenyxxx95 actually both have a Tremec T56 transmission, as does the Aussie GTO. While america had the 255kW LS1 GTO, Australia had the 300kW Callaway tuned HSV Coupe GTS, it was only evened out in 2005 when the GTS was removed from HSV's lineup, and we both got the 298kW LS2 in the HSV coupe GTO and the Pontiac GTO. Also, can you back up your claim that the Pontiac is quicker than the VXR? I would be interested to see how that was possible
@B70Valkyrie As far as the vxr versus the gto, just look up their gearing, if you can understand that, you'll be plenty able to figure out yourself how the gto is quicker. Even if it is marginal, equal drivers, the gto will win every time.
@Feenyxxx95 yes, I did research it after you bought it up, cos frankly I have no interest in the American version, but I couldn't find ANY reference to a change in gearing between the VXR, HSV, and Pontiac. Where are you getting this from?
@B70Valkyrie so as you can see with those gearing ratios, the hsv and pontiac are geared much more aggressively than the vxr. With equal drivers, the hsv and pontiac will beat a vxr every time down.
@Feenyxxx95 judging off this hsv.org.uk/topic.asp?h=27&f=69&t=465783 the M6 used on the Commodore was carried over to the standard australian Holden CV8 and Vauxhall Monaro V8, while the VXR, HSV, and Pontiac all got the M12 with the shorter gears
@Feenyxxx95 seems weird that GM would have the M12 in the HSV and Pontiac, then the M6 in the VXR... Especially when the VXR is otherwise an HSV GTO with Vauxhall badges. What sorta trans am have you got? Post some vids!
@B70Valkyrie Yeah, only thing I can think is the british were concerned about fuel economy so opted for the taller geared transmission. I have a pair of em, a 95 LT1 and 02 LS1. I haven't put any vids up cause both are just bolt on cars atm and aren't really impressive. I plan on a cam in the LS1 over the winter so that should give me some motivation to get some footage this spring lol.
@B70Valkyrie might be easier to google vxr monaro gear ratio 1st and find the page that way, cause it seems to not load at all with the link posted without the www
@Feenyxxx95 However the Pontiac/Holden/HSV Monaro/GTOs were all designed and built in Australia by Australians. Interestingly TVR is now using an LS2 V8, would you consider them american cars?
@B70Valkyrie I think you're missing the point. I'll make it simple. It's a pontiac, aka american manufacturer, with a american power train in a drag race.. a drag race relies on 3 things, power to weight, gearing, and suspension/traction that go hand in hand. 2 out of the 3 have 0 to do with the cars chassis, and the one that does, is very little. For that matter, the aussie built gto, is an overweight pig, and is a drivers race with a ls1 camaro or trans am.
@Feenyxxx95 pontiac may well be an American manufacturer, but they don't manufacture the car they sell. Holden do. All Pontiac does is stick a price tag on it. And sure, compared to a last of the line trans am, the GTO is 100kg heavier, but it is 100kg lighter than a 2010 camaro, and almost 200kg less than the Challenger!! Plus it has 4 decent size seats, something you can't say about a trans am!
@B70Valkyrie look you're going to continue to look to far into this, the bottom line is this, the GTO has an american powertrain, and the guy claimed an austrailian car beat an american car, when its american power driving that shell down the track, thats all I was getting at, so either way, the car is neither all american nor is it all austrailian. That is my only point. And the Tremec t56 is the m12 as I was saying, and I was referring to the vauxhall. Research it yourself .
@B70Valkyrie When I made the comment "the only thing austrailian about it is the chassis" What I was getting at, is nothing about austrialia mattered in this drag race. Everything that won this drag race is american. Can you understand that? or do you need to research some more to bring up more pointless shit lol. An American LS2 v8, bolted to an american transmission Powered this gto down the track to beat another american powered car. Is that better? Are you content with that lol?
@B70Valkyrie in which basically, the austrailian built gto did more harm than good on the cars drag race performance. Which is why I said what I said. Everything that won that drag race, was american. Period. As for the tvr using an ls2, no I consider a "TVR" european. But on a side note, you can bet your ass if the vette had an italian v12 from a ferarri, people would be all over it for not being american. Trust me on that.
@Feenyxxx95 so you would consider a Pontiac GTO to be American, while an HSV Coupe GTO is australian, despite the fact that they are the same car? And if a vette had a ferrari V12, it wouldn't be all american, but are you saying it would be Italian?
@B70Valkyrie And if you wanna say that sure, because either way, both are american powertrains hauling the fat ass austrialian body. Period. And its kind of funny, the very first year the camaro is actually slower than a same year mustang gt in the past 2 decades, happens to be the year they used the aussie zeta platform. I find that,,, sad. Muscle cars aren't meant to be luxurious. They're meant to rip ass down a track and stop light to stop light.
@Elcamino540 I am partial to American Muscle as well, however the GTO might as well be an import since GM took the Australian Holden Monaro and simply put a GTO badge on it for sale in US. This is why purists didnt like it and one of the reasons its sales were so weak (Monaro body). Still...a corvette engine makes it okay in my eyes.
@RMR12100 Holden is and has been a GM owned company since 1931. The brand new Camaro is based on this structure. It may not have been assembled in America but it is an American company-based vehicle. Not like a Toyota or BMW etc...
no actually the gto ran a faster time. the time dosent start when the light turns green it starts when you break the beam. the gto could of let the light turn green and waited for the challenger to get half way down the track and then took off and still would of ran a 13.11
Dude you prolly never drove one it has the same 0-60 times as the new camaro so its not slow for a 4100lb car you wanna see slow look at the new shitstangs
@TheDirtyCurt May be a pontiac but it has a Chevy in side, Pontiac hasnt had pontiac engines in years, they just use GM engines or other wise chevys engines.
dude shut up with that stupid fucking engine argument....if thats the case then i guess the Jeep SRT8 is really a dodge then because it uses the same HEMI engine....guess that also makes the SRT8 300 Christler a Dodge as well...and the New Cadillac CTS-V is a chevy since it uses chevys LS9
The challanger is too heavy so even with more power its still slower than the gto trust me i have raced 6 srt8s and i always won i have the blue with blue accented interior 06 corsa gto
yeah, i dragged with 2 ...one stock...and one with KN and tune...my A4 Red 05 GTO was bone stock and i won the stock for stock race by .4 and the lightly modded SRT8 by .09 ...they r insanly good looking cars...and sound beast...but im afraid dodge put just a little too much weight onto it...my 400hp GTO seems to walk em ...too bad...they r damn sexy looking
"No way dude...i saw an LS2 fight godzilla and the LS2 beat godzilla and it looked in the air and was like what do you think of that god? And god was like bring it bitch, so they fought and the LS2 beat god and now the LS2 is god because its the greatest thing ever"
A stock 2005 GTO will run 13.3 on the 1/4. I no this because i own one. A stock 2009 manual Challenger will only run 13.6 on the 1/4 and the best the a STR can do is 13.3 The same as a stock GTO.
nooooo....not being a dick or anything but the guy below ur original comment has the numbers right...stock an LS2 GTO will run a 13.3 ...or better assuming its the 4spd auto...but the best an SRT8 is supposed to do is a 13.4...to be honest though...its totally a drivers race....when reasoned out their horepower to weight ratios r only offset by a few hundreths of a point...so its a drivers race...with a slight slight advantage to the GTO
Bottom line is chevy has their shit together with their smallblock,and crysler fucked up with the new pos hemi,that should have the letters h e m i buffed off the engine cover!
@FATMIKED5183 and this is coming from somebody that must have never learned to spell correctly..where do you come up with your info? a ls3 6.2l makes 426hp and the 6.1l hemi makes 425hp, and your going to say chrysler doesn't know how to make hp with their small blocks, not to mention their 5.7l hemi makes 370hp, and their 4.7l makes 310hp, which is more than chevy's 5.3l makes
as opposed to the old hemis,which were severely underrated at 425,They don't make power anymore.Oh look no spelling for you to correct this time,now what will you say?
@FATMIKED5183 lets see, the old hemi's had more cubes, and higher compression ratio because high octane gas was sold every where and it was cheap. in the 60's they were only concerned about making power, now days they are concerned about power and fuel economy. Besides that your last comment stated the chrysler couldn't build good engines compairing them to chevy's,you werent compairing them to the older hemi's
True,but I did compare them in my last comment.And you said that I said they couldn't make power with their small block,& I only used the words small block when referring to chevy if you wanna get that specific.And not much more cubes if you wanna go that rout.And that & compression can't account for all the remaining gap in power!GET OFF ME, I already finished you!
Don't know why anyone would thumbs down you on this. My 05 impulse blue Goat is made by Holden with the LS2 engine, as found in the vettes. The 05's and 06's all are.
yo seriously fuck you little bitches that say its not a GTO ...i have one and itll blow the doors off you little bitches that complain its not an american car, its a pontiac GTO says it right on there....and there aint nothing you little bitches can ever do or say that would make my GOAT not a GTO...so suck its bitches! ....btw if ur gonna say im full of shit, check my vids...i own a 2005 red GOAT
yeah...maybe...havent rlly looked lol, but holden is owned by GM so even if it says it ...its fine by me...muscle power is muscle power....doesnt rlly matter too much 2 me where the body was assembled...im more concerned about how it performs =]
midiman, opinions are usaually dogmatic not based on fact, fact is fact based on evidence. i apoligize to tose whose feelings i may have hurt. im sure there are a lot of diehard pontiac fans who have the newer gtos.they do run good. Midiman thanx for explaining your viewpoint in a civil matter..
I understand....but we try to base our opinions on facts usually...and I'm just trying to say that dodge is using, mitsu cummings and mercedes motors in their stuff...not all...but an awful lot...
im getting a good bit of personal email on my opinion.we are talking about american muscle cars and their motors. dodges have dodge motors ,fords have ford motors, chevys have chevy motors, and now defunct pontiac for a few more years uses CHEVY motors.if you want ford muscle get a mustang,if you want doge muscle get a dodge,if you want a pontiac muscle car go back to 1981 when they had their own division motor!! get it now boys!!
my user name explains it all..pontiac died when it stopped producing its own corporate motor..all you have is a monero with a chevy motor. it may be fast,but its not a pontiac.
I just attended a "pontiac" car show..and a year ago there may have been attitudes like yours widespread..but since the demise... the brotherhood of GTO owners (old and new) has tightened significanty, we were actually VERY well recieved and my car recieved two awards (2005 600 hp supercharged GTO) which was quite surprising since the show was participant judged and 49 of the 72 entries were old pontiacs.
I think there is more respect there then you might be willing to acknowledge.
dude. shut the fuck up. im tired of all these fucking nerds saying "well technically it isnt a pontiac". Pontiac is a subsidiary of GM, same as chevrolet. holden, the exterior designers of the GTO, is also a subsidiary of GM in australia. so all the parts are from GM (and America) so regardless of where it is put together its still an American Pontiac. do some fucking research. i see a beast of a car with Pontiac emblems all over it. its a Pontiac, deal with it poindexter.
Someone needs to kick whoever is in charge over at GM Chrysler and Ford, in the nuts and tell them to stop putting their fantastic engines into fucking tanks.
could you imagine if they actually made a real sports car like craming that gto Ls2 engine in a pontiac solstice....now theres an idea lol my god i would own one in a heartbeat!!!
dude you gotta be shittin me lol i wont believe that til i see one or atleast a video of one, only ones i have ever seen was the regular 2.4 litre 4-cylinder and the turbo 2.4 gxp edition, i have heard of them using some for racing that has v6's in them but i cant believe any company would make a car that bad ass lol i just have to see it to beleive it i guess try posting a vid or pic of one
2004 gto's only had a 5.7 and no body effects this is a pretty hot lookin car...however to the person who said a 1970 challenger would beat the gto yeah right....first off 1970 was the slowest fucking year...1969 all emission stardards were passed adn then all the carbs had to modified...and etc...1969 was the fastest year of the muscle cars but still nothing would touch that gto...
Well this GTO will beat any production car (pre 2009) under $200,000.00 all day everyday,, that's right the GTR the vettes and ANY OLD production car does not even stand a chance...
not only will I beat your 1970 whatever I will beat it by buslengths...really
The ONLY cars that beat me at a dragstrip arrive on trailers with a pit crew...
not tryin to be a dick man cuz i just got a black o5 gto as well but there a couple producion cars that will beat it' z06 and gt500 ex... but 05 and o6 gto's will beat almost any car out there' i raced a yellow and black 2010 camaro on the street the other day and passed him at 100 and had 3 to 4 lengths on him at 135 i just wish i got in on film
actually I forgot which video I was commenting on...MY GTO 2005 is supercharged and will beat ANY production car....GT500 especially..and ALL the vettes ever made EXCEPT MAYBE the ls7 NEW ones.
I've tromped out lambos maesers vettes challys on and on
oh yeah man thats for sure then! i just thought u had a stock gto, where do u normally buy your parts from for it? im wanting to supercharge mine pretty soon to
watch my gto vids there awesome..anb i recorded a super bee this week..not near as fast as the goat. sorry dodge fans. just like gto isnt as fast as a stock vs stock svt cobra....it just is that way.
do it man! i'm sure you will find one either used with low miles for cheap, or possibly still a new one sitting on some lot. I know a guy who found a 05 GTO last year for 14 grand.
That's because of the driver... anyone that bought Mopar after the 70s is a retard... I'd take a daewoo over most chrysler cars - with the exception of some trucks and jeeps
PONTIAC...BUILT FOR ACTION.
5LTRETER 2 weeks ago
That challenger took off way late, what was his trap time? Terrible way to show Challenger V GTO.
livnlrg8 1 month ago
ey bring that GTO against my Challenger, it'll be a good one ;) ...check out my vids BTW
hhsfball05 10 months ago
Thats right Ford and Dodge both suck. They dont have shit on GM,just look at look at the ZR1, the Germans ans Europeans are even envious.
majrplayr55 11 months ago
@majrplayr55 not trying to be rude.. but at the end of the day its a corvette with a top speed 201!! germen and Europeans have been hitting 200+ the last 10 years and US finally its trying to catch up. not trying to be rude. but kinda lame.
Tunerboy1990 11 months ago
@Tunerboy1990 ummmmm im pretty sure the Ford GT had a top speed of 205mph...just my little old 2 cents lol
hhsfball05 10 months ago
@hhsfball05 how'd did you figure out that one einstein!! how long did it take us to do that? the oldest damn lambo hit that speed!! with all the money the us has.. they would of thrown in a few 200+ cars!! think about it. no bs just speaking the truth.
Tunerboy1990 10 months ago
@majrplayr55 who got the government handout??? lets see whos selling.. ummmm.. apparently not gm.. lmao
whb1965 11 months ago
@majrplayr55 talk all u want till u have the money to buy a Ford Mustand GT500 or Challenger SRT8(which i have)
hhsfball05 10 months ago
@hhsfball05 i have an srt8 jeep and a gto... ill crush you with my wallet.. and i got a zr1 to smoke out ur drive way in 6th gear... :-P
bizadboyjesse 9 months ago
@bizadboyjesse thats great to know, I got 563hp/531tq at the wheels...so bring whatever u choose, the zr1 is the only thing that'd get me
hhsfball05 9 months ago
13s??? a damn ford lightning pickup truck can run 13s.. how lame.. damn
whb1965 1 year ago
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Tunerboy1990 11 months ago
@Tunerboy1990 lame??? lightning is a truck by the way. and a hell of a lot heavier. also the lightning off the showroom floor runs 13.5s .. just stating true facts.. lmfao
whb1965 11 months ago
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Tunerboy1990 11 months ago
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@whb1965 your funny! how about you read, check forums, statistics.. gto 4100 pounds, charger 4500, a ford f150 lighting is 4580 pounds, and if you get wider rims from factory it ads about 20 or so pounds more man. max the shitty suv can be is 4700 punds. funny thing is the svt is supercharged on all the and gets 13.5. gto stock 400 hp gets 12.8-13 seconds. charger.. 13-13.5 LMFAO..
and a hit of work learn what to say before you be a smart ass!!
Tunerboy1990 11 months ago
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@whb1965 your funny! how about you read, check forums, statistics.. gto 4100 pounds, charger 4500, a ford f150 lighting is 4580 pounds, and if you get wider rims from factory it ads about 20 or so pounds more man. max the shitty suv can be is 4700 pounds. funny thing is the svt is supercharged on all the and gets 13.5. gto stock 400 hp gets 12.8-13 seconds. charger.. 13-13.5 LMFAO..
and a hit of work learn what to say before you be a smart ass!!
Tunerboy1990 11 months ago
wow thats why i'm damn proud of my 93 formula TA(LT1) I/E CHIP 160STAT 3.73's
consistant-13.80's considering i bought it back in 2000 for 7 grand(my midlife crisis
car lol) it now has 129,000mi and runs like a beast(i do take care of it well)but considering these cars are running just .4/.5 sec quicker but cost a whole lot more,i'm pretty happy(hmmm maybe time for a 100 shot) ???
use2slam2 1 year ago
I have to say just because a car as 400 HP don't mean its fast weight is everything.And the Challenger is a Porker a nice desighn but not drag car at 4150lbs without a driver..
JoeyBstrokedRB 1 year ago
@JoeyBstrokedRB yeah but unfortunately that is why the GTO is only slightly faster...coming in around 4000lbs....I have seen a GTO wrecked at 135mph and the only injury was a broken leg...so im guessing the weight serves a purpose.
n0b0dy19871 1 year ago
Great Reaction Time Chally.
oiTzBiGJo 1 year ago
the gto is obviously not stock parts but you can tell that the challenger is stock all around
killerfreak180 1 year ago
@killerfreak180 at first it sounded almost like one was cammed but when they took off neither of them really sounded modified..
adamcc91 1 year ago
@killerfreak180 GTO is probobly stock....thats about what a M6 LS2 GTO can run with a driver who knows how to launch it and good rubber...didnt sound like the GTO burned em at the launch thats where the good time comes from...
n0b0dy19871 1 year ago
@n0b0dy19871 yeah,if u got a good driver an any car,they have a 90% chance of winning,
killerfreak180 1 year ago
what was the time on the gto
josue6002 1 year ago
how much did that cam in the gto cost i just bought a gto 6.0L
jragland723 1 year ago
the gto is ozzy monaro that would make it import 4 u mate
ozbillybong 1 year ago
@ozbillybong yea but its guts are all american man, lsx motors are alllllll american, thats what counts.
nightside60 1 year ago
what model challenger is that? base, r/t, or srt? That cam on the gto sounds great.
kenstaten 1 year ago
another win for GM
1skateblue 1 year ago
Nothing better than a GTO
MegaGTOwner 1 year ago
All that matters is both cars are Ameican Muscle, imports SUCK!!!
Elcamino540 1 year ago 28
We all like cars...but yeah...I'm partial to LS2 sized power plants...
midiman1962 1 year ago 5
@midiman1962 Yea, I understand... I know you can't beat the LS series motors, I've always loved G.M. power plants... Bad to the Bone!!!
Elcamino540 1 year ago
@Elcamino540 well the gto is an import from Australia
TheKymtaylor 1 year ago 2
@Elcamino540 The GTO isn't American.. Sorry. Its Australian.
shelby299229 1 year ago
@shelby299229 it's still American muscle because the part where it gets it's muscle from the engine is American so technically you can go around saying it's Australian like we would care but we can say it's American muscle and be just as right
Konformation07 1 year ago
@Konformation07 motor is canadian....well american designed built in canada
n0b0dy19871 1 year ago
@n0b0dy19871 It's American that's my point it's an American designed so it is correct to call it American but also to tell you not all LS engines are built in Canada. Some are built in Bowling Green and some are built in other places.
Konformation07 1 year ago
@Elcamino540 i with u lol
lilpieman1 1 year ago
@Elcamino540 this GTO is just a rebadged Holden Monaro from Australia. it does have a GM engine from the sates but it was designed and originally build in Australia as the Monaro and then using the same design built in the states as the GTO
1969charger426hemi 1 year ago
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@1969charger426hemi actually the engine was build in Canada...but I dont care i still love my GTO no matter who its illegitimate parents are
n0b0dy19871 1 year ago
@Elcamino540 thats funny... because the thing is that true sports cars come in manual gearboxes stock. unlike the gto and the challenger srt-8.
WislaKrakow24 11 months ago
@Elcamino540 the monaro is australian dude, and just pissed all over the american challenger
TVRnGTR 7 months ago
@TVRnGTR Yeah, Australian with an ALL AMERICAN engine, trans, axle, and PCM!!! How Australian is that, mate?!?!?! Making a body of sheet metal is very easy, by the way!!!
DoomDevil 6 months ago
@DoomDevil youre just pissed an australian car kicked the shit out of an american car, harden the fuck up
TVRnGTR 6 months ago
@TVRnGTR Yes, you're right! An AUSTRALIAN car, with ALL AMERICAN engine, trans, and PCM. And with ALL SAUDI oil!!! You see, your pussy is still right! Okay now, go jerk off!
DoomDevil 6 months ago
@TVRnGTR the only thing australian about it is the chassis, the entire powertrain is american, and all of your australian cars with ls7's ls2's ls3's ls1's etc. etc. all have american motors powering them. Just an fyi.
Feenyxxx95 3 months ago
@Feenyxxx95 hang on... the only thing American in the Monaro is the powertrain. The only thing Australian in the new Chev Camaro is the chassis, but do you hear Aussies trying to tell you thats not an American car? And if its the motor that decides a car's nationality, then the Aston Martin DB9 must be american too...
B70Valkyrie 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie I was simply discrediting the fact he was claiming a pontiac gto, rebadged monaro or not, an austrailian car. The Camaro on the other hand, is a Chevrolet camaro. So they'd have no reason to not call a chevy camaro an american car. I've got every reason to claim a pontiac gto to not be austrailian if you want to get technical. In this essence though, we're talking about a drag race, where the powertrain is the biggest determining factor.... which is american. Understand
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie And as far as the aston being american. No, its a british automaker building it under a british banner. Aston martin. Of course it's not american. As I said, the guy called out the gto as being australian, when it is marketed under the pontiac nameplate, with an american powertrain, in a drag race. I believe I had every reason to call him back on it. And for the record, because of trans gearing alone, the gto is quicker than the monaro both with the ls2 equipped.
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie and one more point i'd like to make, Say aston martin, took an american chassis, like the Y body corvette from Gm, and put under it, their own powertrain, and badged it as an aston martin. I then go into a thread showing a video of it drag racing another british car, and saying "you're just pissed an american car beat up on your british pile." It wouldn't make sense would it?.
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@Feenyxxx95 However the Pontiac GTO wasn't built in America, it was built in a Holden factory in Elizabeth, South Australia. And the Pontiac GTO is quicker than a CV8 Monaro, because it is the American version of the HSV Coupe GTO and not the Holden CV8, which is the same basic car, although with slower steering and a very low-tuned LS1. If the Aston Martin was built in America, and used an american power train, I think you would be fully justified in calling that an American car.
B70Valkyrie 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie And no, the ls2 gto is quicker than the ls2 monaro vxr which yes I know is a vauxhall, but the reason is because the ls2 gto has the M12 tranny from the c5 z06 corvette, which is geared aggressively. Of course its going to be quicker than its ls1 cousin. To bad that isn't the case against the LS1 f bodies.
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@Feenyxxx95 actually both have a Tremec T56 transmission, as does the Aussie GTO. While america had the 255kW LS1 GTO, Australia had the 300kW Callaway tuned HSV Coupe GTS, it was only evened out in 2005 when the GTS was removed from HSV's lineup, and we both got the 298kW LS2 in the HSV coupe GTO and the Pontiac GTO. Also, can you back up your claim that the Pontiac is quicker than the VXR? I would be interested to see how that was possible
B70Valkyrie 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie As far as the vxr versus the gto, just look up their gearing, if you can understand that, you'll be plenty able to figure out yourself how the gto is quicker. Even if it is marginal, equal drivers, the gto will win every time.
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@Feenyxxx95 yes, I did research it after you bought it up, cos frankly I have no interest in the American version, but I couldn't find ANY reference to a change in gearing between the VXR, HSV, and Pontiac. Where are you getting this from?
B70Valkyrie 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie I'll have to look for the page, but it has the standard m6 tranny, 1st 2.66:1
2nd 1.78:1
3rd 1.30:1
4th 1.00:1
5th 0.74:1
6th 0.50:1
Whereas the tremec m12 is 1st 2.97:1 2nd 2.07:1 3rd 1.43:1 4th 1.00: and the over drive gears are like .84 and .62 if I remember right.
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie so as you can see with those gearing ratios, the hsv and pontiac are geared much more aggressively than the vxr. With equal drivers, the hsv and pontiac will beat a vxr every time down.
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@Feenyxxx95 judging off this hsv.org.uk/topic.asp?h=27&f=69&t=465783 the M6 used on the Commodore was carried over to the standard australian Holden CV8 and Vauxhall Monaro V8, while the VXR, HSV, and Pontiac all got the M12 with the shorter gears
B70Valkyrie 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie vxronline.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?117-Monaro-6.0iV8-%28LS2%29-Specification-Press-Release
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@Feenyxxx95 Makes me wish my Trans Am had the m12 everytime I have this discussion =(
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@Feenyxxx95 seems weird that GM would have the M12 in the HSV and Pontiac, then the M6 in the VXR... Especially when the VXR is otherwise an HSV GTO with Vauxhall badges. What sorta trans am have you got? Post some vids!
B70Valkyrie 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie Yeah, only thing I can think is the british were concerned about fuel economy so opted for the taller geared transmission. I have a pair of em, a 95 LT1 and 02 LS1. I haven't put any vids up cause both are just bolt on cars atm and aren't really impressive. I plan on a cam in the LS1 over the winter so that should give me some motivation to get some footage this spring lol.
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie might be easier to google vxr monaro gear ratio 1st and find the page that way, cause it seems to not load at all with the link posted without the www
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@Feenyxxx95 However the Pontiac/Holden/HSV Monaro/GTOs were all designed and built in Australia by Australians. Interestingly TVR is now using an LS2 V8, would you consider them american cars?
B70Valkyrie 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie I think you're missing the point. I'll make it simple. It's a pontiac, aka american manufacturer, with a american power train in a drag race.. a drag race relies on 3 things, power to weight, gearing, and suspension/traction that go hand in hand. 2 out of the 3 have 0 to do with the cars chassis, and the one that does, is very little. For that matter, the aussie built gto, is an overweight pig, and is a drivers race with a ls1 camaro or trans am.
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@Feenyxxx95 pontiac may well be an American manufacturer, but they don't manufacture the car they sell. Holden do. All Pontiac does is stick a price tag on it. And sure, compared to a last of the line trans am, the GTO is 100kg heavier, but it is 100kg lighter than a 2010 camaro, and almost 200kg less than the Challenger!! Plus it has 4 decent size seats, something you can't say about a trans am!
B70Valkyrie 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie look you're going to continue to look to far into this, the bottom line is this, the GTO has an american powertrain, and the guy claimed an austrailian car beat an american car, when its american power driving that shell down the track, thats all I was getting at, so either way, the car is neither all american nor is it all austrailian. That is my only point. And the Tremec t56 is the m12 as I was saying, and I was referring to the vauxhall. Research it yourself .
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie When I made the comment "the only thing austrailian about it is the chassis" What I was getting at, is nothing about austrialia mattered in this drag race. Everything that won this drag race is american. Can you understand that? or do you need to research some more to bring up more pointless shit lol. An American LS2 v8, bolted to an american transmission Powered this gto down the track to beat another american powered car. Is that better? Are you content with that lol?
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie in which basically, the austrailian built gto did more harm than good on the cars drag race performance. Which is why I said what I said. Everything that won that drag race, was american. Period. As for the tvr using an ls2, no I consider a "TVR" european. But on a side note, you can bet your ass if the vette had an italian v12 from a ferarri, people would be all over it for not being american. Trust me on that.
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@Feenyxxx95 so you would consider a Pontiac GTO to be American, while an HSV Coupe GTO is australian, despite the fact that they are the same car? And if a vette had a ferrari V12, it wouldn't be all american, but are you saying it would be Italian?
B70Valkyrie 1 month ago
@B70Valkyrie And if you wanna say that sure, because either way, both are american powertrains hauling the fat ass austrialian body. Period. And its kind of funny, the very first year the camaro is actually slower than a same year mustang gt in the past 2 decades, happens to be the year they used the aussie zeta platform. I find that,,, sad. Muscle cars aren't meant to be luxurious. They're meant to rip ass down a track and stop light to stop light.
Feenyxxx95 1 month ago
@Elcamino540 Challenger is built in Canada and the engine in Mexico. Only the engineering is from America.
cape304 4 months ago
@Elcamino540 I am partial to American Muscle as well, however the GTO might as well be an import since GM took the Australian Holden Monaro and simply put a GTO badge on it for sale in US. This is why purists didnt like it and one of the reasons its sales were so weak (Monaro body). Still...a corvette engine makes it okay in my eyes.
RMR12100 1 month ago
@RMR12100 Holden is and has been a GM owned company since 1931. The brand new Camaro is based on this structure. It may not have been assembled in America but it is an American company-based vehicle. Not like a Toyota or BMW etc...
guardiananjil 2 weeks ago
can't beat a GTO -awesome cars...to bad pontiac went under...!!dammit
witty2345 1 year ago
GTO had way better launch than the challenger.
lebanonlinebacker 1 year ago
nice
cacagto 2 years ago
nice
cacagto 2 years ago
gto killed challeger all though the challenger looked completly stock and gto didnt look or sound stock
aaronmoen77 2 years ago 4
I want to race a CTS-V very bad...
know antone in the Vegas area with one?...I'll have it taped in HD...
midiman1962 2 years ago
challenger looked faster, just fell way behind on getting started, that was just driver fail.
kaldren8291 2 years ago
no actually the gto ran a faster time. the time dosent start when the light turns green it starts when you break the beam. the gto could of let the light turn green and waited for the challenger to get half way down the track and then took off and still would of ran a 13.11
BLACKLACDTS 2 years ago 2
really??? not at my tracks shoot... haha
shit you sit there and thats your time!
besides what good would a track like that do??? you wouldnt get reaction times... which means you wouldnt need lights... besides racing somebody else
andrewmoralez 2 years ago
lol. this is a fair race. haha
mitchag191 2 years ago
the Challeger driver was asleep i think.
also,.. AT???
virensanchit 2 years ago
challengers suck period. they are all look and no balls
mixmaster82 2 years ago
Dude you prolly never drove one it has the same 0-60 times as the new camaro so its not slow for a 4100lb car you wanna see slow look at the new shitstangs
larryadam2 2 years ago 2
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billj500 2 years ago
ummm, theres no chevy up there. thats a pontiac gto and a dodge challenger.
TheDirtyCurt 2 years ago
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billj500 2 years ago
@TheDirtyCurt May be a pontiac but it has a Chevy in side, Pontiac hasnt had pontiac engines in years, they just use GM engines or other wise chevys engines.
camarolover2001 2 years ago
dude shut up with that stupid fucking engine argument....if thats the case then i guess the Jeep SRT8 is really a dodge then because it uses the same HEMI engine....guess that also makes the SRT8 300 Christler a Dodge as well...and the New Cadillac CTS-V is a chevy since it uses chevys LS9
GTO19020 2 years ago 2
What? There isn't even a Chevy in this video O.o Dodge vs Pontiac
coolbros1210 2 years ago
The challanger is too heavy so even with more power its still slower than the gto trust me i have raced 6 srt8s and i always won i have the blue with blue accented interior 06 corsa gto
edubchitown 2 years ago
you have my dream car bro =) ur a lucky man
zdriver925 2 years ago
I suppose the blue accented interior helps you go faster :)
cmoore5 2 years ago
yeah, i dragged with 2 ...one stock...and one with KN and tune...my A4 Red 05 GTO was bone stock and i won the stock for stock race by .4 and the lightly modded SRT8 by .09 ...they r insanly good looking cars...and sound beast...but im afraid dodge put just a little too much weight onto it...my 400hp GTO seems to walk em ...too bad...they r damn sexy looking
GTO19020 2 years ago
@edubchitown Hell, i beat an SRT8 300c in my 04 6spd GTO, by about half a car but either way... 350hp vs 425??
RiceKiller191 1 year ago
"No way dude...i saw an LS2 fight godzilla and the LS2 beat godzilla and it looked in the air and was like what do you think of that god? And god was like bring it bitch, so they fought and the LS2 beat god and now the LS2 is god because its the greatest thing ever"
GTO19020 2 years ago 2
lmao to bad Poor Old Nigga Thinks Its A Cadilac. But nope its Holden lmfao! xD
Camaros5678 2 years ago
What a stock gto run?
The guy in the video ran 13.11 right?What was his mods?
Bigmaker223 2 years ago
That GTO was definatly modified, cuz i think a stock challenger would beat a stock gto. unless it was only a base model challenger.
VroomVroomStopMotion 2 years ago
A stock 2005 GTO will run 13.3 on the 1/4. I no this because i own one. A stock 2009 manual Challenger will only run 13.6 on the 1/4 and the best the a STR can do is 13.3 The same as a stock GTO.
2005PONTIACGTO 2 years ago
nooooo....not being a dick or anything but the guy below ur original comment has the numbers right...stock an LS2 GTO will run a 13.3 ...or better assuming its the 4spd auto...but the best an SRT8 is supposed to do is a 13.4...to be honest though...its totally a drivers race....when reasoned out their horepower to weight ratios r only offset by a few hundreths of a point...so its a drivers race...with a slight slight advantage to the GTO
GTO19020 2 years ago
Bottom line is chevy has their shit together with their smallblock,and crysler fucked up with the new pos hemi,that should have the letters h e m i buffed off the engine cover!
FATMIKED5183 2 years ago
@FATMIKED5183 and this is coming from somebody that must have never learned to spell correctly..where do you come up with your info? a ls3 6.2l makes 426hp and the 6.1l hemi makes 425hp, and your going to say chrysler doesn't know how to make hp with their small blocks, not to mention their 5.7l hemi makes 370hp, and their 4.7l makes 310hp, which is more than chevy's 5.3l makes
v8gtx440 2 years ago
as opposed to the old hemis,which were severely underrated at 425,They don't make power anymore.Oh look no spelling for you to correct this time,now what will you say?
FATMIKED5183 2 years ago
@FATMIKED5183 lets see, the old hemi's had more cubes, and higher compression ratio because high octane gas was sold every where and it was cheap. in the 60's they were only concerned about making power, now days they are concerned about power and fuel economy. Besides that your last comment stated the chrysler couldn't build good engines compairing them to chevy's,you werent compairing them to the older hemi's
v8gtx440 2 years ago
True,but I did compare them in my last comment.And you said that I said they couldn't make power with their small block,& I only used the words small block when referring to chevy if you wanna get that specific.And not much more cubes if you wanna go that rout.And that & compression can't account for all the remaining gap in power!GET OFF ME, I already finished you!
FATMIKED5183 2 years ago
The newer GTO's are just fucking beast. Guy down the street form me has an 05 with a pro charger on it, does 10 sec easy an he drives it every day.
scwhockey41 2 years ago
GTO = fast! Always has and always will.
badpuppy1970 2 years ago 2
if they had a better driver the dodge would of had a better chance
LegitStafford 2 years ago
GTO is a Holden Monaro built in Australia. With a GM motor!!
maroguy 2 years ago
ls2 + monaro = gto. chysler motor + mercedes suspension = challenger. whats your point?
stealthcorvette 2 years ago
Don't know why anyone would thumbs down you on this. My 05 impulse blue Goat is made by Holden with the LS2 engine, as found in the vettes. The 05's and 06's all are.
cchmlfa 2 years ago 4
GTO=TRUE AMERICAN MUSCLE
halo333666999 2 years ago
designed and built in Australia! dickhead
herculesstrong 2 years ago
yo seriously fuck you little bitches that say its not a GTO ...i have one and itll blow the doors off you little bitches that complain its not an american car, its a pontiac GTO says it right on there....and there aint nothing you little bitches can ever do or say that would make my GOAT not a GTO...so suck its bitches! ....btw if ur gonna say im full of shit, check my vids...i own a 2005 red GOAT
Gir19020 2 years ago
It IS American muscle, but the rest of the car is Holden. Look on the door jam on the drivers side. It clearly says manufactured by Holden.
cchmlfa 2 years ago
yeah...maybe...havent rlly looked lol, but holden is owned by GM so even if it says it ...its fine by me...muscle power is muscle power....doesnt rlly matter too much 2 me where the body was assembled...im more concerned about how it performs =]
Gir19020 2 years ago 7
midiman, opinions are usaually dogmatic not based on fact, fact is fact based on evidence. i apoligize to tose whose feelings i may have hurt. im sure there are a lot of diehard pontiac fans who have the newer gtos.they do run good. Midiman thanx for explaining your viewpoint in a civil matter..
PONTIACDIEDIN1981 2 years ago
right on!
No harm no foul.
midiman1962 2 years ago
senor, relax, opinions are like fingerprints we all have them.
PONTIACDIEDIN1981 2 years ago
I understand....but we try to base our opinions on facts usually...and I'm just trying to say that dodge is using, mitsu cummings and mercedes motors in their stuff...not all...but an awful lot...
discussion is good
midiman1962 2 years ago
dont forget about the srt4 engine, its a hyundai motor. but the hemi is all dodge and thats the only engine worth buying from them in my opinion.
hurstmotox67 2 years ago
im getting a good bit of personal email on my opinion.we are talking about american muscle cars and their motors. dodges have dodge motors ,fords have ford motors, chevys have chevy motors, and now defunct pontiac for a few more years uses CHEVY motors.if you want ford muscle get a mustang,if you want doge muscle get a dodge,if you want a pontiac muscle car go back to 1981 when they had their own division motor!! get it now boys!!
PONTIACDIEDIN1981 2 years ago
nice running chevy that beat a real dodge
PONTIACDIEDIN1981 2 years ago
real? so you think Mercedes has had zero impact on the dodge product??? You are dreaming!
1/3 of the "dodges" out there are mitsubishi!!!!
a cummings turbo diesel in a dodge truck is not a dodge truck????
poindexter don't wanna know.
Have it your way.
midiman1962 2 years ago
Love the Challenger to death ,but nothing beats a g.t.o!
Unslovedaudio 2 years ago
my user name explains it all..pontiac died when it stopped producing its own corporate motor..all you have is a monero with a chevy motor. it may be fast,but its not a pontiac.
PONTIACDIEDIN1981 2 years ago
I just attended a "pontiac" car show..and a year ago there may have been attitudes like yours widespread..but since the demise... the brotherhood of GTO owners (old and new) has tightened significanty, we were actually VERY well recieved and my car recieved two awards (2005 600 hp supercharged GTO) which was quite surprising since the show was participant judged and 49 of the 72 entries were old pontiacs.
I think there is more respect there then you might be willing to acknowledge.
JMO
midiman1962 2 years ago
check my other vids for "chiefs along the channel" Car show..if you like the old ones you will love it.
midiman1962 2 years ago
dude. shut the fuck up. im tired of all these fucking nerds saying "well technically it isnt a pontiac". Pontiac is a subsidiary of GM, same as chevrolet. holden, the exterior designers of the GTO, is also a subsidiary of GM in australia. so all the parts are from GM (and America) so regardless of where it is put together its still an American Pontiac. do some fucking research. i see a beast of a car with Pontiac emblems all over it. its a Pontiac, deal with it poindexter.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
My goat will get there fast, but at 140mph, I feel much safer in my BMW X-5.
cchmlfa 2 years ago
Someone needs to kick whoever is in charge over at GM Chrysler and Ford, in the nuts and tell them to stop putting their fantastic engines into fucking tanks.
shawnshawn426 2 years ago
while 3800 lbs is weighty
it'll still scoot 11s with good track conditions...
but the nut kick might help...
midiman1962 2 years ago
could you imagine if they actually made a real sports car like craming that gto Ls2 engine in a pontiac solstice....now theres an idea lol my god i would own one in a heartbeat!!!
hebeb394 2 years ago
They did, they had a special edition Solstice with the Ls2 they only made a few of them around when they first came out.
Deeeeeeeeee1 2 years ago
dude you gotta be shittin me lol i wont believe that til i see one or atleast a video of one, only ones i have ever seen was the regular 2.4 litre 4-cylinder and the turbo 2.4 gxp edition, i have heard of them using some for racing that has v6's in them but i cant believe any company would make a car that bad ass lol i just have to see it to beleive it i guess try posting a vid or pic of one
hebeb394 2 years ago
the fiero had the clearances for a small block v8 but gm never did it
midiman1962 2 years ago
im sure some people cramed v8's in those lol if im not mistakin thats pontiac's version of a ferrari lol or atleast they look like them lol
hebeb394 2 years ago
2004 gto's only had a 5.7 and no body effects this is a pretty hot lookin car...however to the person who said a 1970 challenger would beat the gto yeah right....first off 1970 was the slowest fucking year...1969 all emission stardards were passed adn then all the carbs had to modified...and etc...1969 was the fastest year of the muscle cars but still nothing would touch that gto...
kris54241 2 years ago 2
yea get a dodge challenger 1970 yea i like to see that peace of shit car beat that
talk14 2 years ago
Well this GTO will beat any production car (pre 2009) under $200,000.00 all day everyday,, that's right the GTR the vettes and ANY OLD production car does not even stand a chance...
not only will I beat your 1970 whatever I will beat it by buslengths...really
The ONLY cars that beat me at a dragstrip arrive on trailers with a pit crew...
serious. no joke...just let'n ya know.
midiman1962 2 years ago
not tryin to be a dick man cuz i just got a black o5 gto as well but there a couple producion cars that will beat it' z06 and gt500 ex... but 05 and o6 gto's will beat almost any car out there' i raced a yellow and black 2010 camaro on the street the other day and passed him at 100 and had 3 to 4 lengths on him at 135 i just wish i got in on film
dustuoutnsvt 2 years ago
actually I forgot which video I was commenting on...MY GTO 2005 is supercharged and will beat ANY production car....GT500 especially..and ALL the vettes ever made EXCEPT MAYBE the ls7 NEW ones.
I've tromped out lambos maesers vettes challys on and on
midiman1962 2 years ago
oh yeah man thats for sure then! i just thought u had a stock gto, where do u normally buy your parts from for it? im wanting to supercharge mine pretty soon to
dustuoutnsvt 2 years ago
ZR1 should take you with no problem.
fkumro 2 years ago
watch my gto vids there awesome..anb i recorded a super bee this week..not near as fast as the goat. sorry dodge fans. just like gto isnt as fast as a stock vs stock svt cobra....it just is that way.
kief4diamonds 2 years ago
GTO Badass
che007 2 years ago 3
GTO dusts broken down Duster... er I mean Challenger! LOL!
Audreysstone 2 years ago
i want to get a gto
bigbadjohny95 2 years ago
Get one. It will be the greatest investment you ever make :)
caseytorn 2 years ago
do it man! i'm sure you will find one either used with low miles for cheap, or possibly still a new one sitting on some lot. I know a guy who found a 05 GTO last year for 14 grand.
andyx181x 2 years ago
go aussie muscle!
herculesstrong 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
gto is ugly looks like a grand prix
PROJEK3 2 years ago
the gto has a 6spd manual and the charger has a pos auto so i can see kinda why he didnt get the start
mj23polairs 2 years ago
Challenger was sleeping at the light.
OK race.
gr3en21 2 years ago
That's because of the driver... anyone that bought Mopar after the 70s is a retard... I'd take a daewoo over most chrysler cars - with the exception of some trucks and jeeps
n618ft 2 years ago
5300lbs? What are you smokin? Try 4100lbs and the GTO is 3800lbs.
stripedgto69 2 years ago 3
Hm, I've seen the Challengers do 13.2's. It should have been a close race but he was slow on the start.
SpookyAbductee 2 years ago
its a big weight difference gto is 3600 and the challenger at 5300 i think but not sure.
joshnordstromwestmon 2 years ago
haha the gto made the challenger look like a pussy
royw2321 2 years ago
Is the GTO stock?
joshnordstromwestmon 2 years ago
From the 1/4 time it must be stock.
transamspd2002 2 years ago
sup Caleb?
I need to run somewhere soon...I'm going crazy since they closed LACR.
midiman1962 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
... oh im not sayin that Challenger isnt any good... i just go for GM thats about it... however i do like the Challenger... its a Muscle car...
KillerZO6 2 years ago
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KillerZO6 2 years ago
the Challenger just got Challenged lol. nice run. i'd go for the GTO no matter what.
KillerZO6 2 years ago
that gto is so much sexier than the challenger
skatingtagger 2 years ago
Anyone else think the new Challenger is fail? lol. And I didn't say the older ones...
Zando24 2 years ago
hey does any body know if the 2005 gto has a 5.7 litre 350c.i. or is it different??
dsimon251291 3 years ago
It has a 6.0 liter
deft383 3 years ago