that was one of the coolest events ive ever watched...when one searchs f1 vs nascar this is is what should define the differences..the experience itsself is enjoyable....not arguing via comment posting...i could watch lawnmowers race....
If Montoya was so talented he shouldn't have any problems turning left. He chokes almost every race, even at road courses, he doesn't perform well. F1 does take talent, but so does NASCAR, a lot more than you think. Those are very heavy and bulky cars. F1 cars have much more downforce and cut through the wind better.
It wasn't a competition! Motorsport fans can enjoy this for what it was - a brilliant 'what if?' event. Lewis did remarkably well, no surprise, but I guarantee not every NASCAR driver would've done as well as Tony did in the McLaren. Skills on both sides.
@intrsoul Well said, you're bound to find an 'F1 vs NASCAR' argument here, personally I only really watch F1, because I'm from the UK and NASCAR isn't shown much here (and it's usually on pretty late). But I can see the appeal of it and enjoy it when it's on. As you said this set-up was a great 'what if' showcase too see how each driver could handle and considering it is maybe more of a 'step-up' (and I mean that in the least condescending way) for Stewart to try an F1 car, he did damn well.
@HarrisJamesBen I love both series, but the tv schedule for F1 is similar here in the U.S. as to what NASCAR is for you folks over there. I wind up having to DVR it cause it's on at 6am. Nice to see someone being level headed about F1/NASCAR on youtube; most of what is said here devolves into series bashing ignorance.
i hate that box at 0:44 Lewis Hamilton did 2 laps and Tony did around 5. the tyres warmed up, the brakes warmed up, Tony gets used to the track, the tracks dry, and he spent all night trying to learn the track.
But do F1 cars have to deal with oversteer, understeer or even drag? I've never heard those words in an F1 race.
hmmmm yes they do have to deal with in fact they deal with it more than nascar...in fact they spend millions just to study it , if you followed f1 you would know that by now , and why they left f1 its because they couldn't cut it anymore ,f1 is the pinnacle of motorsport it requires the best drivers in the world to compete in it
Then why do F1 drivers leave F1 and come to Nascar? Mario Andretti, Jaun Montoya, Christian Fittipaldi, Sebastian Bordais even did it, and the only one to achieve some sort of success is Andretti. Montoya can't win on an oval, so don't say it's easier to drive a stock car. F1 cars are masterpieces in itself, I get that. I follow F1 believe it or not. But do F1 cars have to deal with oversteer, understeer or even drag? I've never heard those words in an F1 race.
@Nocstaa But do F1 cars have to deal with oversteer, understeer or even drag? I've never heard those words in an F1 race.
hmmmm yes they do have to deal with in fact they deal with it more than nascar...in fact they spend millions just to study it , if you followed f1 you would know that by now , and why they left f1 its because they couldn't cut it anymore ,f1 is the pinnacle of motorsport it requires the best drivers in the world to compete in it
@intrsoul my point is f1 drivers that come to nascar are not used to that kind of driving "turning' left " , that is why montoya always does well on road courses , he's not used to turning left for 3 hours , driving an f1 car requires more talent and balls and fitness than nascar
@Nocstaa You follow the F1 and you say that there is no dealing with understeering and oversteering ? In Every single race drivers trying to eliminate those factors in training sesions. If you dont, you loose the race.
You cant say that you follow F1, then finish off your paragraph with "do F1 cars have to deal with oversteer, understeer or even drag?"
F1 is literally all about balancing the negatives of drag with the positives of downforce (wing angles) and minimising oversteer and understeer to preserve tyres.
F1 cars could go a HELL of a lot faster round the many bends they have to take if they weren't dealing with drag, understeer or oversteer.
So much bullshit in the comparison of times. I think last time they did something like this and compared times, they talked about how the NASCAR driver would have qualified 8th. They just happened to forget the track had been changed since the last GP.
Formula 1 is the highest class of auto racing . Now with the new rules(drag reduction sistem and the KERS (overboost) ) is the most exciting class of auto racing .
I look at the comments on this and Americans are assholes? Yeah okay. It takes more skill to drive a stock car than an F1 car, but this is not the point.
These 2 are very talented at what they do, and I have respect for both of them. It was cool to get a taste into a different world of racing. I've been following F1 for years before this, but I learned a lot from this series of videos.
" Lewis respects what Tony does and Tony respects what Lewis does. Why? Because they love to race. Give them each a unicycle and they'll race. It's what they do and what we love... "
What a idiots those two are that are on comentary. first it was "i think in a formula 1 car they sit in the middle" and now they tell stewart that he was faster on the day than hamilton. well fucking yea, he was driving a f1 car for crying out loud. no disrespect to nascar drivers but they will never be on the same level as an f1 driver and it showed cos hamilton was faster than stewart in his own car.
@HULKHODGY Stewart was faster than Hamilton in his own car, so what's your point?
Both cars take an incredible amount of skill to drive in their own way. One car isn't easier to drive than the other. Different science, different technology, and different skills required.
This isn't about "NASCAR takes less skill than F1" or any of that garbage. This is about 2 champions living their dreams and having fun doing it.
It's a shame there are people like you in this world who try to ruin the fun.
@b00mYou hang on a minute you seem to be misunderstood, i never said stewart or any nascar driver wasnt good, i know stewart is good because it takes a fucking good driver to take that f1 car around a circuit like he did. what im saying is nascar driver just rnt on the level as f1 drivers. not saying they cant be, just that there not at this moment.
Nascar,f1,rally if its got wheels i bet these 2 would drive the crap out them,thy are just great drivers thats why they are where they are not a good Nascar driver nor a good f1 driver or any other kinda drivers just good drivers who wanna compete and be the best they can be and the only winner really are us the race fans everywhere,I salute you my fellow race fans let not our followings divide us but let our common respect and craving for horsepower lead us forward to a better future
F1 drivers wish they had half the skill as a Sprint Cup series driver in Nascar. F1 cars are so advanced that the skill set of the driver has little to do with racing the car. A stock car however is big, bulky, heavy, and handles like a dump truck, and yet the drivers in Nascar make it look so smooth and effortless when they race. Jaun Pablo Montoya has yet to make the open wheel racers look competitive in Nascar. geek49203 F1 is a bunch of euro sissy's called Franz and Hans. GO NASCAR!
@jkatsotis54 did you just watch the video? Hamilton was faster than stewart in his own car. all nascar involves in driving in circles and the corners are banked to allow high speed which assists the drivers in more ways than any formula 1 car ever could! theres been 22 non european f1 championships won so isnt just european thing. formula 1 racing is world wide unlike nascar. you want to know why nascar isnt watched worldwide like formula 1? because driving in circles is boring!
I wish F1 would race in the US again.. After watching this I would be there for sure. Much respect to all the Formula 1 drivers, youve got a new fan now!
IM Darrell Hickman and my fastest lap at the glen with the boot section was 2:08:45, and without the boot my time was was a 1: 08: 11 ...........but iboth were on a completely dry track, but follow me on twitter @djhickman1
It's obvious that Tony is excited about driving the F1, well who wouldn't be, and Lewis not so much about the NASCAR. But Lewis got a nice surprise when he first got behind the wheel, he was not expecting the NASCAR car to be that strong. On the other hand Tony, we all know what he was getting into. I want to drive an F1 too.
@skeletorphd hardly ten million matey, around 2.5 max, fair do's its expensive but anythin in tht car worth anyting near a mill is the chassy....altho i understand ur exaggeration....f1 cars "british engineering" excuse me! are far more superior to that of NASCARS bath tubs on wheels. respect your style kidda :)
I'm a huge F1 fan and Lewis fan. Props to Tony Stewart, tho. I am not a NASCAR fan but he is a class act and a true racer. I hate all the comparisons between the two series. F1 is the fastest and most expensive series, that is a fact. But I can't argue if some one LIKES nascar more. It's like comparing F1 to touring cars, or rallying, or drag racing, or motocross. All of them are unique and awesome. I think NASCAR's recent popularity surge has seen it attract to much criticism. Still, I love F1
Who cares which car is better, they are all great in their own ways. F1, Indy, Nascar, dirt cars, go karts, whatever it is. It's about the racing, its about being one with the car and its about going fast. It doesn't matter if an F1 car is faster than an Indy car because they will never compete against one another...
@MrMushroom90 why would "the Yanks" love it? Shall I recite all of the failed attempts at F1 races here in the USA? It's about as popular here as European soccer. This is not a dig at F1, just saying that, aside from a (very very loyal) fan base of maybe 300,000 fans, it's never caught on and probably never will.
@LRTWR -- Too many left turns... which, of course, the F1 people can't do properly, judging by the number of F1 stars who've tried and failed at Indy (Fangio, for starters) and in NASCAR (JPM).
@geek49203 I don't know about you but i think JPM is doing pretty damn well for himself in Sprint Cup these days...15th in points after MIS, may not be the top but consider that he is doing better than say... Kasey Kahne, Jeff Burton and hes only a few points behind Martin.... so I wouldnt go as far as saying he's unsuccesful at NAscar.... Also Marcos Ambrose and Allmendinger both came from road racing into Nascar and are also both adapting very well.
@11scoopy11 areally, seemed different to me. he kept asking to get back in the sprint cup car i think they both had fun but stewart was more reserved and hamilton looked like a kid again loved seeing the smile on his face showing HE HAD A GREAT TIME.
@YUBU8 No i really don't agree. I've seen him in a lot of interviews. It's easy to read his true excitement. This doesn't at all look genuine. He enjoyed his old f1 car more. I don't blame him, it was the car he drove in the best year of his life.
@11scoopy11 i watch everything F1 too my friend lol im not just a nascar fan and lewis is my favorite driver in F1 so i imagine i know about as well as you do on when hes genuine. and honestly i haven't seen him this excited in awhile actually not since he rdrove senna's car a while back.
@UberKuhlMan Decades ago, Jim Clark watched sprint cars run, was asked if he'd like a try, said 'no way, too dangerous,' but added 'It'd be fun to try, though!'
@unwindout That would've been a sight to see. He is right though, pretty much all forms of open-wheel racing at the time were dangerous. Lots of drivers lost their lives.
The thing is tony looked well good at the start of the NASCAR season in Daytona.He was interviewed about his slimmer waist line back in Febuary.i don,t belive Lewis thought the NASCAR was bad tho.He went round one more lap,so he was having a lot of fun.Oh and by the way,I follow F1 and NASCAR and I,m in UK.So go figure :)
Driving a Nascar in the wet is harder than Driving a F1 in the wet. F1 races in wet condition all the time, they have setups for that. Tony Stewart even said he hasn't driven in wet for a decade! I don't think it takes more skill to drive a nascar than a F1, but Nascar isn't easy either. F1 is all about data, They were put tony in a simulator! All that has prepared Tony and like he said, lewis was spot on with tips. While Tony was able to tell lewis what?, prob not much
Another comment, Hamilton and some of the other top drivers (Jenson Button, David Coulthard etc) would lap in under 1 min 15 seconds at full speed. Smoke sadly was going very slow and not really at full throttle. (Most people can't get it off the line though, he was a great driver just not a top F1 driver)
Ok so realistically F1 is never going to go to the Glen sadly apart from these demo runs unless the circuit gets a rebuild. There are no run off areas at all which is not fun when you crash at over 200mph. I know people say Monaco has no run off but they dont do 200mph there and even then there are major safety changes for f1.
Will be good to be back in the US. I hope your new circuit gives us good racing unlike Indianapolis.
A good race to watch if you want is Canada from last weekend.
@danielstephengee "A good race to watch if you want is Canada from last weekend." 100% agreed. But I'd love to see a F1 race in a circuit such as Road America...provided, of course, there's enough safety in all aspects.
I don't see much point on building a new racetrack in the US just for F1...and maybe GP2/MotoGP/GT1...?
Stewart has just realised why F1 is a global sport and why NASCAR will always be in America.
F1 might as well come from another planet and Stewart knows it. Lewis (bless him) was just being polite about NASCAR, but he is glad he drives the most advanced racing car in the world.
BTW i'm not being anti American, I love flying American aircraft. The best in the world.
Tony are you sure that Lewis had much fun driving your car??? i dont think so...
Classic lewis giving a possitive comment about going back out again but in hes mind he cant wait to ga back to europe to prepare for the valencia GP..
@kimiloumar i don't think that lewis is so eager to race anymore, the championship is basically out of reach, he has incidents almost every race, it's not his fault but you know...
@mailmeonline still long way to go any thing can happen .. "never say over until its over" most F1 driver do that some fight for points some fighting to keeping their position on team.
Bernie Ecclestone is the biggest douche in all F1. He asks 50million a race only from circuits. And all the money goes to.... BERNIE. He doesnt care if a circuit is nice to race on. Its all about the money for him.
@Roguirio His daughter just bought a $150 million home in the US and she already has a $91 million dollor home in London.. how old is she you ask? .. 22 !
@LRTWR When you get to 80 years old and you have 4 billion dollars, you are probably gonna sort your families lives out and make sure they don't get conned out of their money when buying expensive houses. But if you knew anything, you would know its their mother who gave them the money to buy those mega mansions not Bernie. The only reason she was able to do that was because she got $500 million in the divorce settlement
That was such a kickintheass to watch! Hamilton was so kind and such a good sport about it! Everyone knows that Stewart was the one who felt the luckiest to taste a life-long dream. Thanks for posting, what a thrill, really!
Awesome, thanks for the upload! Pity that most comments on this site have to be downward silly. Both the drivers as well as the coverage of the event were very balanced, just appreciate the event itself!
I'm sure Lewis had a great time - you could see from the way he was kicking the rear out he was just enjoying the simple pleasure of a big, crude muscle car. Tony seemed on the verge of tears when he spoke about the experience of driving a top F1 car. It was nice to see the mutual respect and appreciation of two very different branches of the same tree, one super-serious with weapons-grade technology, the other simple seat-of-the pants exhilaration. The world is big enough for both.
I think F1 fans and NASCAR fans should set aside their vast differences and just get along, like Stewart and Hamilton did that day. 2 great drivers from 2 completely different backgrounds who both enjoy the same type of profession. Why can't fans from 2 completely different backgrounds who enjoy the same type of sport be friends too?
@wilatemodel We the good ol european people have been dealing with muslim invaders for a thousand years before your republic even existed. My own country features towns flags with muslim heads slashed drawed on them. America ain't teaching europe NOTHING about this matter, son.
By the way, the seat swap rocked. They should do a motosport olympics every 4 years or something.
I am sure they did this to promote F1 in the US. The americans to see their driving hero Tony Stewart driving an F1 car they must be say 'Oh we need to get F1 back to US!' Especially after that 2005 tire scandal.
For Lewis if one day his career goes down the drain just like Montoya will end up in Nascar.
Juan Montoya drove for mclaren look where he is now....
@Ellscore -- From what I'm told by multiple sources, there is a distinct anti-American bias in F1. Just like I assume there would be people who'd not like to see a Brit team in NASCAR. Recall that one of the criticisms of CART before the formation of the IRL was that it had more and more "foreign" drivers, all driving "foreign" cars (March-Cosworth), and no room for "American" drivers and manufacturers.
@geek49203 I think you may be right but hopefully it wont always be like that. With the popularity of Indycar there is enough reason for the US to put together atleast one competitive F1 team (with an American engine, design and set of drivers). Perhaps this will happen after the opening of the circuit of the Americas. I have no doubt that Lewis loved driving Stewart's car despite the typical european bigotry posted under this video. If he could do both F1 and NASCAR I'm sure he would.
@Ellscore -- Here's the math: $4 mill for a NHRA top fuel team, $6-10 mill for an Indycar team, $25-34 mill for a NASCAR Cup team, and at least $100 - 400 million for F1. Why would a corporation want to spend that kind of money to reach an audience that is so small in the USA? American corporations are either in F1 (Intel, HP, etc) now, or cannot justify the cost-per-eyeballs for F1.
BTW, having lived in both Indy and Austin, I cannot understand how that Austin thing will succeed.
@Ellscore - To expand on the Austin circuit -- I never met any race fans in Austin when I lived there, certainly no F1 crowd. I have sources at Indy, and the stories they tell me about Bernie and F1 are outrageous. Bernie's last offer to Indy was about $200 per fan in sanctioning fees ($20 million), plus bizarre demands like removing the label from the "French" onion soup.
Maybe that new track will be host for Austin City Limits in future years, or South by Southwest?
@geek49203 F1 is global and that is why teams want to get involved (If they can afford it). Bernie is a just a business man so who cares. He doesn't race or own any one team. F1 is all about the teams and the fans. You sound quite anti F1 which for me is hard to understand but no doubt you have your reasons.
@Ellscore Ask any former CART / CHAMP person about the problems with international sponsors. Who in the USA will spend $200 million to be in F1? HP and Intel etc are already there, right?
F1 is NOT all about teams and fans, it is about owners and egos and beating Ferrari. Mostly it's about Bernie.
Bernie is NOT just "a business man". He just bought the most expensive house in the USA for his daughter with his F1 money.
@geek49203 Thats just your opinion. I accept Bernie is a shrewd man but you should try to look past the corporate side of things. F1 is cutting edge technology so there is bound to be alot of money involved. What has Bernie's daughter got to do with the US having an F1 team? F1 IS about the teams and fans. No Teams + No fans = NO F1.
@Ellscore I watched the Monaco F1 race at Indy, with 4 former CART/CHAMP hard card holders, about 20 yards from the Indy garages. I have press creds. You? If you discount "the corporate side of things" you won't have a racing series. No money = no teams, period. CAN-AM went under twice, Trans-Am 3 times, and CART only a couple years after its $100 million IPO. F1 blows up periodically, and the current cost containment talks are an effort to keep it intact. Just my opinion, a learned one
@geek49203 thats all interesting however you don't seem to mention much about the racing side of things. Are you an accountant, journalist or race fan?
@Ellscore Press creds for Milwaukee this weekend! I'm a fan too.
Modern auto racing isn't about technology. It's about making money with sponsor dollars and TV rights. That is what the White Paper was all about, and what NASCAR did better than anyone else!
CART and CHAMP both had great racing, but the business models were doomed. Both tried going international, and both lost lots of sponsorship because of it. If "international" and "great racing" were the key, wouldn't ALMS be huge?
@geek49203 Racing in general was better years ago but people died week in week out. Safety and technology have led to various evolutions. The improved media coverage has brought many changes too (some not so favourable). Love him or hate him; F1 would not be where it is now without Bernie. The Canadian grand prix last week was fantastic. Best race drama I ever saw.
@Ellscore bernie is the guy that makes f1 so expensive for fans, he's the guy that bans any coverage except for his, maybe the sport itself is better, but don't do it by shitting on the fans
@Ellscore Best drama you ever saw? (shaking head) obviously not one who caught that last Indy 500. I do like watching F1, but they have one on-track pass for the lead on the last lap ever decade, ya know?
@Inxeccion I saw that. Still think that makes F1 the most exciting form of auto racing (which was the claim) because of one actual last-lap on-track pass for the lead every decade? I mean, if that is what you call excitement, and justification of a $400 million / team budget, then I wonder how you'll respond when you see a $1 million / year SERIES do that every night of the week? I mean, let me show you last-lap passes...in Outlaws, USAC, NASCAR, any number of SCCA classes, and short track!
@geek49203 I agree, F1 isn't the most exciting motorsport in the world, NASCAR however......ugh, I'm sure takes a lot of skill but from the outside looking in its just some plastic cars going around in big circles or cornering with all the grace and poise of a Sumo wrestler rolling down a big hill and crashing every 5 minutes. F1 is a battle between the best drivers in the world in some of the most advanced cars ever made. NASCAR is a collection of fat blokes with money called Buck and Bill.
@Inxeccion You might know F1, but your comments indicate a distinct lack of knowledge of NASCAR. Having covered a few DOZEN such events at a journalist, let me assure you that 1) crashes in NASCAR aren't "every 5 minutes", and 2) your "Best drivers" really such when they try NASCAR. JPM? Jaques? Kimi? Aside from road courses, what have they done?
Last, your comment about "Buck and Bill" indicate you haven't met the current "blokes" at all. Please study before you take the exam next time
@geek49203 you should read over your responses next time, you know, for some grammer and spelling errors? Oh, wait, i forgot, your from U.S....... when was the last time a nascar driver went into F1? Yeah, i thought so...
@GeneralRIMT - Spelling errors versus your stupid errors. The best NASCAR driver makes more money between pay and endorsements than most of F1 drivers. I spent part of last weekend talking to former F1 people, including Justin Wilson's people who told me about his Minardi saga (another was a former F1 engine engineer). F1 people can't do NASCAR because -- get this -- there is a real talent to both, and each is completely opposite of the other. JPM will tell you that fer sher.
@geek49203 ...Montoya is not considered a 'best driver' in F1. He's an F1 reject who showed early promise, yet couldn't perform to that level consistently over several seasons- hence why he lost his ride at McLaren and had to leave when no one else would take him. Almost no one really remembers his name now.
@MrDragon1968 -- Didn't say JPM was Sienna, did I? But, unlike most of the field of any given F1 race, he's at least won a race, right? What I'm saying is that there is a "trick" to NASCAR driving, and in fact the driving style is completely opposite of what open-wheeled drivers learn. And if you look carefully, none of the pointy-nosed guys except Tony Stewart have had ANY success. Why is it that race drivers and teams watch every other form of motor sports, but their fans have to be snobs?
@geek49203 'Sienna'? Isn't she an English actress ;-) Seriously though, I was just pointing out JPM isn't the 'best' of F1. He was a mid level driver who showed early promise but soon deteriorated. Jacques & Kimi both won a single championship each but had very sporadic careers & are well past their F1 sell by date now- so perhaps once 'best of'. Mario Andretti won in both NASCAR & F1; so 'pointy nose guys' can do NASCAR & vice versa. However I agree they're both very different disciplines.
@MrDragon1968 Going back a bit, Fangio tried Indy for a few laps, and promptly left in 1958. Graham Hill and Mario obviously are the drivers who succeeded at "all of the above". AJ won Indy 4 times, and then surprised everyone by winning LeMans, but obviously never drove in F1 (probably would never fit in the car).
All open wheel racing in the USA goes thru Indy, as the Austin guys will find out. If F1 can't make Indy work, they can't make the USA work.
@geek49203 Yeah, Graham Hill was one of the old time racing driver polymaths. He's one of my heroes. Fangio was one of the greatest drivers at F1 level, but wouldn't necessarily compete in all other spheres. Jim Clark is another of the top level old school guys who could 'do' everything- also when racing was much more dangerous. However Aryton's still one of my all time favourites in F1. I'm curious of the 2012 F1 Texas entry to the season. I'd quite like to see the US participating more in F1.
@Inxeccion I've love F1 all my life, but I have to disagree with your impression on NASCAR. I started watching it a few years ago and realised it is an exciting racing formula if you just give it a chance. You come to realise that oval racing is incredibly dangerous and the skill all the drivers show in racing tyre to tyre at up to 200 mph is remarkable. It is just as tactically interesting as formula and you often see drivers coming from nowhere to win. All the ovals are different BTW.
@Inxeccion the grand prix of canada was pretty exciting! this year in f1 has alot more about it then previous years...its heading in the right direction with the new curds and wing actuation.
@Inxeccion Try too pull your head out of your ass long enough to realise that racing is racing. Lewis respects what Tony does and Tony respects what Lewis does. Why? Because they love to race. Give them each a unicycle and they'll race. It's what they do and what we love... Ok, you can re-insert your head in your ass now. Thank you for listening
@Inxeccion I have respect for both types of racers. NASCAR is a 3000 cas ona banked track about 45-60 degrees and straightaways on about a 45 degreee angle. You shold try it. I ahev respect both types of racing.
You go out of your way to fit the a-hole F1 fan shtick. NASCAR is basically a grass roots campaign with less investment per season than an F1 team spends per race. The rules and technology are kept at a low level so that skill eclipses spending. That DOESN'T happen consistently in F1. With Ferrari and McLaren throwing upwards of 300 and 400 million a year, the small guys can't hope to compete. If you don't like it, you don't like it. Just cut the shit, that's all most of us ask.
@geek49203 We will have to agree on disagreeing. American racing audiences tend to like driver vs driver which is cool and the purest form of racing. F1 is more driver + engineers vs driver + engineers. When an F1 driver thanks his team he really means it.
@Ellscore Well, when I see Dan Wheldon this weekend, I'll let him know that us Yanks don't think that engineers in Indy (or crew chiefs in NASCAR) are important.
@geek49203 Thats not what I said or meant (and you know it) I was referring to spec racing in general. Apart from setup tweaks and adjustments; the crew chiefs, engineers, spotters etc.. dont have a hugely significant role in the outcome of the race. Obviously they have duties to carry out which are very important but it doesn't amount to a total race strategy. But you yanks like it that way
@Ellscore I only know what you wrote. I will tell the 256 drivers here at the Indy race this weekend that their engineers don't influence their success, and then we'll see what they say. BTW, talked w/ a former (16 year) F1 engineer today -- what did you do? He's working in Indy cars now...
@geek49203 An engineer in Indy doesnt nearly affect the end-of-the-day result as an F1 engineer. Just look at the performance gaps between the current F1 cars.
This was a blast to watch. Both guys getting together and hopefully we see Lewis and Tony go head to head one day.
JesseBochekTV 1 month ago
OLD AND FAT PEOPLE CANT DRIVE F1 CARS thats a fact. Its so fucking hard to drive one of those.
Soulflytribe04 5 months ago
@Soulflytribe04 same with nascars.
TheGoaltender94 3 months ago
that was one of the coolest events ive ever watched...when one searchs f1 vs nascar this is is what should define the differences..the experience itsself is enjoyable....not arguing via comment posting...i could watch lawnmowers race....
sdigga66 5 months ago 7
Thanks for uploading the videos in HD, pal.
SerpensSolida 5 months ago
If Montoya was so talented he shouldn't have any problems turning left. He chokes almost every race, even at road courses, he doesn't perform well. F1 does take talent, but so does NASCAR, a lot more than you think. Those are very heavy and bulky cars. F1 cars have much more downforce and cut through the wind better.
OhSoGood24 5 months ago
It wasn't a competition! Motorsport fans can enjoy this for what it was - a brilliant 'what if?' event. Lewis did remarkably well, no surprise, but I guarantee not every NASCAR driver would've done as well as Tony did in the McLaren. Skills on both sides.
intrsoul 5 months ago
@intrsoul Well said, you're bound to find an 'F1 vs NASCAR' argument here, personally I only really watch F1, because I'm from the UK and NASCAR isn't shown much here (and it's usually on pretty late). But I can see the appeal of it and enjoy it when it's on. As you said this set-up was a great 'what if' showcase too see how each driver could handle and considering it is maybe more of a 'step-up' (and I mean that in the least condescending way) for Stewart to try an F1 car, he did damn well.
HarrisJamesBen 5 months ago
@HarrisJamesBen I love both series, but the tv schedule for F1 is similar here in the U.S. as to what NASCAR is for you folks over there. I wind up having to DVR it cause it's on at 6am. Nice to see someone being level headed about F1/NASCAR on youtube; most of what is said here devolves into series bashing ignorance.
CannibalDave 5 months ago
The Formula one car ruelz it´s the best car and best motor sport nothing more to say
freede13 6 months ago
i hate that box at 0:44 Lewis Hamilton did 2 laps and Tony did around 5. the tyres warmed up, the brakes warmed up, Tony gets used to the track, the tracks dry, and he spent all night trying to learn the track.
21min56secs 6 months ago
@GunnersFanNumber1 you just forgot about sports car drivers lol
Bzking23 6 months ago
But do F1 cars have to deal with oversteer, understeer or even drag? I've never heard those words in an F1 race.
hmmmm yes they do have to deal with in fact they deal with it more than nascar...in fact they spend millions just to study it , if you followed f1 you would know that by now , and why they left f1 its because they couldn't cut it anymore ,f1 is the pinnacle of motorsport it requires the best drivers in the world to compete in it
papilo2 6 months ago
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Then why do F1 drivers leave F1 and come to Nascar? Mario Andretti, Jaun Montoya, Christian Fittipaldi, Sebastian Bordais even did it, and the only one to achieve some sort of success is Andretti. Montoya can't win on an oval, so don't say it's easier to drive a stock car. F1 cars are masterpieces in itself, I get that. I follow F1 believe it or not. But do F1 cars have to deal with oversteer, understeer or even drag? I've never heard those words in an F1 race.
Nocstaa 6 months ago
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@Nocstaa But do F1 cars have to deal with oversteer, understeer or even drag? I've never heard those words in an F1 race.
hmmmm yes they do have to deal with in fact they deal with it more than nascar...in fact they spend millions just to study it , if you followed f1 you would know that by now , and why they left f1 its because they couldn't cut it anymore ,f1 is the pinnacle of motorsport it requires the best drivers in the world to compete in it
papilo2 6 months ago
oh by the way show me a nascar driver that made it to f1 ???
papilo2 6 months ago
@papilo2 Yet F1 drivers come to NASCAR and struggle. What's your point?
intrsoul 5 months ago
@intrsoul my point is f1 drivers that come to nascar are not used to that kind of driving "turning' left " , that is why montoya always does well on road courses , he's not used to turning left for 3 hours , driving an f1 car requires more talent and balls and fitness than nascar
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oh by the way show a nascar driver that made it to f1
papilo2 6 months ago
@Nocstaa You follow the F1 and you say that there is no dealing with understeering and oversteering ? In Every single race drivers trying to eliminate those factors in training sesions. If you dont, you loose the race.
Iwan2007 6 months ago in playlist NASCAR vs Formula 1 Seat Swap
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You cant say that you follow F1, then finish off your paragraph with "do F1 cars have to deal with oversteer, understeer or even drag?"
F1 is literally all about balancing the negatives of drag with the positives of downforce (wing angles) and minimising oversteer and understeer to preserve tyres.
F1 cars could go a HELL of a lot faster round the many bends they have to take if they weren't dealing with drag, understeer or oversteer.
Its hard to believe you follow F1.
HalfDread87 4 months ago 3
So much bullshit in the comparison of times. I think last time they did something like this and compared times, they talked about how the NASCAR driver would have qualified 8th. They just happened to forget the track had been changed since the last GP.
3SGTO 6 months ago
American here as well, F1=skill, best in the world nuf said. NASCAR......Just giant advertisements moving in a circle
rangerbylaw 7 months ago
I am American and I love F1!!! NASCAR sucks.....
chris37865 7 months ago
Formula 1 is the highest class of auto racing . Now with the new rules(drag reduction sistem and the KERS (overboost) ) is the most exciting class of auto racing .
AlessandroTorres24 7 months ago
Formula 1 is the highest class of auto racing .
AlessandroTorres24 7 months ago
I look at the comments on this and Americans are assholes? Yeah okay. It takes more skill to drive a stock car than an F1 car, but this is not the point.
These 2 are very talented at what they do, and I have respect for both of them. It was cool to get a taste into a different world of racing. I've been following F1 for years before this, but I learned a lot from this series of videos.
Nocstaa 7 months ago
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" Lewis respects what Tony does and Tony respects what Lewis does. Why? Because they love to race. Give them each a unicycle and they'll race. It's what they do and what we love... "
Quoted for TRUTH! Quit being dickheads everyone.
willowxxx 7 months ago
Geez he's a fat bastard
sultanabran1 7 months ago
Tony got out?
TyceShadow24 7 months ago
he had an orgasm
bobvdvalk 8 months ago
What a idiots those two are that are on comentary. first it was "i think in a formula 1 car they sit in the middle" and now they tell stewart that he was faster on the day than hamilton. well fucking yea, he was driving a f1 car for crying out loud. no disrespect to nascar drivers but they will never be on the same level as an f1 driver and it showed cos hamilton was faster than stewart in his own car.
HULKHODGY 8 months ago
@HULKHODGY Stewart was faster than Hamilton in his own car, so what's your point?
Both cars take an incredible amount of skill to drive in their own way. One car isn't easier to drive than the other. Different science, different technology, and different skills required.
This isn't about "NASCAR takes less skill than F1" or any of that garbage. This is about 2 champions living their dreams and having fun doing it.
It's a shame there are people like you in this world who try to ruin the fun.
b00mYou 8 months ago
@b00mYou hang on a minute you seem to be misunderstood, i never said stewart or any nascar driver wasnt good, i know stewart is good because it takes a fucking good driver to take that f1 car around a circuit like he did. what im saying is nascar driver just rnt on the level as f1 drivers. not saying they cant be, just that there not at this moment.
HULKHODGY 8 months ago
I believe NASCAR drivers should be driving something similar to F1 cars! Its a scam that they are driving big old cheap cars with massive engines.
Lets not pretend F1 is perfect as they have banned a hell of a lot of technologies which nobody should do. Stopping Evolution is a crime.
HyperColours 8 months ago
Nascar,f1,rally if its got wheels i bet these 2 would drive the crap out them,thy are just great drivers thats why they are where they are not a good Nascar driver nor a good f1 driver or any other kinda drivers just good drivers who wanna compete and be the best they can be and the only winner really are us the race fans everywhere,I salute you my fellow race fans let not our followings divide us but let our common respect and craving for horsepower lead us forward to a better future
Realtime1501 8 months ago
F1 drivers wish they had half the skill as a Sprint Cup series driver in Nascar. F1 cars are so advanced that the skill set of the driver has little to do with racing the car. A stock car however is big, bulky, heavy, and handles like a dump truck, and yet the drivers in Nascar make it look so smooth and effortless when they race. Jaun Pablo Montoya has yet to make the open wheel racers look competitive in Nascar. geek49203 F1 is a bunch of euro sissy's called Franz and Hans. GO NASCAR!
jkatsotis54 8 months ago
@jkatsotis54 explain what in an f1 car takes away the drivers skill?
jordanr1504 8 months ago
@jkatsotis54 did you just watch the video? Hamilton was faster than stewart in his own car. all nascar involves in driving in circles and the corners are banked to allow high speed which assists the drivers in more ways than any formula 1 car ever could! theres been 22 non european f1 championships won so isnt just european thing. formula 1 racing is world wide unlike nascar. you want to know why nascar isnt watched worldwide like formula 1? because driving in circles is boring!
HULKHODGY 8 months ago
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@HULKHODGY Actually, a lot of fans over in other countries such as Europe love watching NASCAR racing.
b00mYou 8 months ago
I wish F1 would race in the US again.. After watching this I would be there for sure. Much respect to all the Formula 1 drivers, youve got a new fan now!
cha53tafari 8 months ago
@cha53tafari As of 2012 America will be having it's F1 race again. At a brand new race circuit being constructed as we speak in Austin TX!...
Suprahampton 8 months ago
Go to a NASCAR race, it's the sexiest thing in the world!
momogs1 8 months ago
IM Darrell Hickman and my fastest lap at the glen with the boot section was 2:08:45, and without the boot my time was was a 1: 08: 11 ...........but iboth were on a completely dry track, but follow me on twitter @djhickman1
vikingnation100 8 months ago
It's obvious that Tony is excited about driving the F1, well who wouldn't be, and Lewis not so much about the NASCAR. But Lewis got a nice surprise when he first got behind the wheel, he was not expecting the NASCAR car to be that strong. On the other hand Tony, we all know what he was getting into. I want to drive an F1 too.
bgangloff 8 months ago
Mclaren must have been shitting themselves. If tony made a mistake that's £10,000,000 worth of car, pretty close to $20,000,000.
skeletorphd 8 months ago
@skeletorphd hardly ten million matey, around 2.5 max, fair do's its expensive but anythin in tht car worth anyting near a mill is the chassy....altho i understand ur exaggeration....f1 cars "british engineering" excuse me! are far more superior to that of NASCARS bath tubs on wheels. respect your style kidda :)
TribulantDan2009 8 months ago
i wanna see lewis hamilton in a sprint car...that would be epic!
iragekao 8 months ago
I'm a huge F1 fan and Lewis fan. Props to Tony Stewart, tho. I am not a NASCAR fan but he is a class act and a true racer. I hate all the comparisons between the two series. F1 is the fastest and most expensive series, that is a fact. But I can't argue if some one LIKES nascar more. It's like comparing F1 to touring cars, or rallying, or drag racing, or motocross. All of them are unique and awesome. I think NASCAR's recent popularity surge has seen it attract to much criticism. Still, I love F1
Am7D9 8 months ago
Who cares which car is better, they are all great in their own ways. F1, Indy, Nascar, dirt cars, go karts, whatever it is. It's about the racing, its about being one with the car and its about going fast. It doesn't matter if an F1 car is faster than an Indy car because they will never compete against one another...
benbaileymusic 8 months ago
Seems like the speakers are praising more NASCAR and the Tony Stewart than Formula 1 and Luis Hamilton.
player1vladimir 8 months ago
does this mean Hamilton will do like Montoya did and drive a Nascar? *trollface*
RebelSoul2010 8 months ago
Tony's looking at that McLaren they way Hamilton looked at Senna's car when he drove it on Top Gear. Auto-racing in general rocks.
nonamebrand0 8 months ago
Great series, wish more sponsors would put on a show and have a bit of fun like this.
tsubodzuka 8 months ago
@MrMushroom90 why would "the Yanks" love it? Shall I recite all of the failed attempts at F1 races here in the USA? It's about as popular here as European soccer. This is not a dig at F1, just saying that, aside from a (very very loyal) fan base of maybe 300,000 fans, it's never caught on and probably never will.
geek49203 8 months ago
@geek49203 Ye there are to many corners in F1 for you Americans .. all you like to do is take left turns.
LRTWR 8 months ago
@LRTWR -- Too many left turns... which, of course, the F1 people can't do properly, judging by the number of F1 stars who've tried and failed at Indy (Fangio, for starters) and in NASCAR (JPM).
geek49203 8 months ago
@geek49203 I don't know about you but i think JPM is doing pretty damn well for himself in Sprint Cup these days...15th in points after MIS, may not be the top but consider that he is doing better than say... Kasey Kahne, Jeff Burton and hes only a few points behind Martin.... so I wouldnt go as far as saying he's unsuccesful at NAscar.... Also Marcos Ambrose and Allmendinger both came from road racing into Nascar and are also both adapting very well.
benbaileymusic 8 months ago
@LRTWR as an american, who autocrosses, i can in fact tell you you're an idiot.
BlackCavalier52 8 months ago
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Hamilton is a dull boring moron, i hate watching him race and getting interviewed.
gunmanscotland 8 months ago
The track dried after the setup laps from each driver so unfortunately we can't compare the lap times :(
drewheasman 8 months ago
Hamilton didn't enjoy his swap. Bit of a downgrade for him.
11scoopy11 8 months ago 2
@11scoopy11 just because it runs slower lap times doesn't mean its less fun to drive.
BlackCavalier52 8 months ago
@BlackCavalier52 I'd agree. I don't think he was as excited as his speech made out to be. All for the camera.
11scoopy11 8 months ago
@11scoopy11 areally, seemed different to me. he kept asking to get back in the sprint cup car i think they both had fun but stewart was more reserved and hamilton looked like a kid again loved seeing the smile on his face showing HE HAD A GREAT TIME.
YUBU8 8 months ago
@YUBU8 No i really don't agree. I've seen him in a lot of interviews. It's easy to read his true excitement. This doesn't at all look genuine. He enjoyed his old f1 car more. I don't blame him, it was the car he drove in the best year of his life.
11scoopy11 8 months ago
@11scoopy11 i watch everything F1 too my friend lol im not just a nascar fan and lewis is my favorite driver in F1 so i imagine i know about as well as you do on when hes genuine. and honestly i haven't seen him this excited in awhile actually not since he rdrove senna's car a while back.
YUBU8 8 months ago
LEWIS IN A SPRINT CAR!!!!!
UberKuhlMan 9 months ago
@UberKuhlMan Decades ago, Jim Clark watched sprint cars run, was asked if he'd like a try, said 'no way, too dangerous,' but added 'It'd be fun to try, though!'
unwindout 8 months ago
@unwindout That would've been a sight to see. He is right though, pretty much all forms of open-wheel racing at the time were dangerous. Lots of drivers lost their lives.
UberKuhlMan 8 months ago
The thing is tony looked well good at the start of the NASCAR season in Daytona.He was interviewed about his slimmer waist line back in Febuary.i don,t belive Lewis thought the NASCAR was bad tho.He went round one more lap,so he was having a lot of fun.Oh and by the way,I follow F1 and NASCAR and I,m in UK.So go figure :)
MrRalphsworld 9 months ago
Driving a Nascar in the wet is harder than Driving a F1 in the wet. F1 races in wet condition all the time, they have setups for that. Tony Stewart even said he hasn't driven in wet for a decade! I don't think it takes more skill to drive a nascar than a F1, but Nascar isn't easy either. F1 is all about data, They were put tony in a simulator! All that has prepared Tony and like he said, lewis was spot on with tips. While Tony was able to tell lewis what?, prob not much
Aranu 9 months ago
@MrMushroom90 next year theres a race in texas look up the calender
iamsmiles474 9 months ago
@MrMushroom90 If you've never been to the US, going to Texas might scare the hell out of you.
mattorama 9 months ago
@MrMushroom90 No shit. It's called the 2012 US Grand Prix in Austin, Texas.
mattorama 9 months ago
These are two men that can race the shit out of anything they get behind the wheel of so this was great thanks speed from a huge fan of both sports
Jzoutis 9 months ago
How come they beat each other in the cars that they don't normally drive? Hamilton wasn't pushing it at all in the F1 car.
DerrenBrown100 9 months ago
@DerrenBrown100 The track was drying out, so there was more grip as the session progressed.
znmo0nlight 9 months ago
Another comment, Hamilton and some of the other top drivers (Jenson Button, David Coulthard etc) would lap in under 1 min 15 seconds at full speed. Smoke sadly was going very slow and not really at full throttle. (Most people can't get it off the line though, he was a great driver just not a top F1 driver)
danielstephengee 9 months ago
Ok so realistically F1 is never going to go to the Glen sadly apart from these demo runs unless the circuit gets a rebuild. There are no run off areas at all which is not fun when you crash at over 200mph. I know people say Monaco has no run off but they dont do 200mph there and even then there are major safety changes for f1.
Will be good to be back in the US. I hope your new circuit gives us good racing unlike Indianapolis.
A good race to watch if you want is Canada from last weekend.
danielstephengee 9 months ago 15
@danielstephengee "A good race to watch if you want is Canada from last weekend." 100% agreed. But I'd love to see a F1 race in a circuit such as Road America...provided, of course, there's enough safety in all aspects.
I don't see much point on building a new racetrack in the US just for F1...and maybe GP2/MotoGP/GT1...?
ATDOINFERNO 8 months ago
@danielstephengee What about Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve in canada, there's no run off there too?
I just wish F1 could race at Watkins Glen
mpower1001 8 months ago
at 0:43 it should say hamiltons nascar lap, instead of f1 lap.
Ryn2k8 9 months ago
@Ryn2k8
Are you sure ? :D
kenseth56 9 months ago
@kenseth56 not sure, but at 3:40 in part 5 it says hamilton done a 1:50 in the cup car.
Ryn2k8 9 months ago
must have been so boring for lewis, driving a car half as fast as his own car aha
AnotherGreatComment 9 months ago
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OMFG F1 IS WELL BETTER THAN SHITTY NASCAR WATCH HERE FOR MY REASONS /watch?v=ws3jS9dPuQU THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! F1 #FTW
zzifGirzz 9 months ago
Stewart has just realised why F1 is a global sport and why NASCAR will always be in America.
F1 might as well come from another planet and Stewart knows it. Lewis (bless him) was just being polite about NASCAR, but he is glad he drives the most advanced racing car in the world.
BTW i'm not being anti American, I love flying American aircraft. The best in the world.
peanuts2105 9 months ago 2
@peanuts2105 Lol you sound oblivious.
YUBU8 8 months ago
Awesome video!
hunterbender 9 months ago
Thanks for posting all six videos man.
I would of loved to have seen a slicks run on both cars, it was easily dry enough by the end :P
mrmactknife 9 months ago
0:44 How is hamiltons F1 lap worse? Wtf? lol
Pingu123489 9 months ago
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I don't think Hamilton drove F1 at all there, he just said that Tony was faster overall (comparing his F1 time to Hamiltons Nascar time)
Antif 9 months ago
Tony are you sure that Lewis had much fun driving your car??? i dont think so...
Classic lewis giving a possitive comment about going back out again but in hes mind he cant wait to ga back to europe to prepare for the valencia GP..
kimiloumar 9 months ago
@kimiloumar i don't think that lewis is so eager to race anymore, the championship is basically out of reach, he has incidents almost every race, it's not his fault but you know...
mailmeonline 9 months ago
@mailmeonline still long way to go any thing can happen .. "never say over until its over" most F1 driver do that some fight for points some fighting to keeping their position on team.
kimiloumar 9 months ago
wait was hamiltons lap really 7 seconds faster in the the stock car than stewarts? hahahaha i think this proves nascar has no balls
hudg7630 9 months ago
@hudg7630 nascar cars are not made for rain, tony stewart did his lap in the stock car while the track was still wet
mailmeonline 9 months ago
@mailmeonline oh well i mean no race car is made for wet, and they werent running slicks so it shouldnt matter THAT much
hudg7630 9 months ago
I am in Mexico and I wasn't able to watch it..thank you for having it on you tube..
gerardomarriaga 9 months ago
all f1 fans love to talk shit dont they
RIEKSONE 9 months ago
Bernie Ecclestone is the biggest douche in all F1. He asks 50million a race only from circuits. And all the money goes to.... BERNIE. He doesnt care if a circuit is nice to race on. Its all about the money for him.
Roguirio 9 months ago 17
@Roguirio this track would be soooo much fun to watch and race at in f1...can't wait for the day bernie is not in f1 anymore
mailmeonline 9 months ago
@Roguirio His daughter just bought a $150 million home in the US and she already has a $91 million dollor home in London.. how old is she you ask? .. 22 !
Bernie Ecclestone is crook.
LRTWR 8 months ago 7
@LRTWR When you get to 80 years old and you have 4 billion dollars, you are probably gonna sort your families lives out and make sure they don't get conned out of their money when buying expensive houses. But if you knew anything, you would know its their mother who gave them the money to buy those mega mansions not Bernie. The only reason she was able to do that was because she got $500 million in the divorce settlement
mikeypeteify 5 months ago
That was pretty fun to watch, much respect to both drivers. So...same time next year? You know, for dry track conditions : )
son44ic 9 months ago 2
great stuff respect to both drivers !
ceza110011 9 months ago
Tony seemed pretty comfortable in the F1 car from the start. Always impressed when I see these car swaps.
LeJimster 9 months ago
That was such a kickintheass to watch! Hamilton was so kind and such a good sport about it! Everyone knows that Stewart was the one who felt the luckiest to taste a life-long dream. Thanks for posting, what a thrill, really!
lladnarg 9 months ago 2
I wish we could've heard Tony when he was driving the F1 car... just to hear his reaction
Suprahampton 9 months ago
@Suprahampton he couldn't find the radio button...
mailmeonline 9 months ago
Awesome, thanks for the upload! Pity that most comments on this site have to be downward silly. Both the drivers as well as the coverage of the event were very balanced, just appreciate the event itself!
loggyon 9 months ago 2
I'm sure Lewis had a great time - you could see from the way he was kicking the rear out he was just enjoying the simple pleasure of a big, crude muscle car. Tony seemed on the verge of tears when he spoke about the experience of driving a top F1 car. It was nice to see the mutual respect and appreciation of two very different branches of the same tree, one super-serious with weapons-grade technology, the other simple seat-of-the pants exhilaration. The world is big enough for both.
OchAyetheGNU 9 months ago 48
@OchAyetheGNU Enough said!
Tuscopa 8 months ago
@OchAyetheGNU couldn't of said it any better :)
Lights0ut1109 8 months ago
@OchAyetheGNU very well said. hey, maybe when lewis retores from f1 he'll go drive in nascar like montoya and villeneuve did.
link2400 8 months ago
where is the race??????????
korujaratm123 9 months ago
I think F1 fans and NASCAR fans should set aside their vast differences and just get along, like Stewart and Hamilton did that day. 2 great drivers from 2 completely different backgrounds who both enjoy the same type of profession. Why can't fans from 2 completely different backgrounds who enjoy the same type of sport be friends too?
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wilatemodel 9 months ago
@wilatemodel if you guys where smart enough to find your ass with both hands you'd survive another generation....i guess not, stupid Chr*stian
lacoste10156 9 months ago
@wilatemodel We the good ol european people have been dealing with muslim invaders for a thousand years before your republic even existed. My own country features towns flags with muslim heads slashed drawed on them. America ain't teaching europe NOTHING about this matter, son.
By the way, the seat swap rocked. They should do a motosport olympics every 4 years or something.
etherealnoob 8 months ago
@etherealnoob agreed,..cheers mate.
wilatemodel 8 months ago
thank you very much!!
Ferrari512codalunga 9 months ago
Lewis was told what he had to say by the producers of this programme, he acctually thought it was shit, boring and slow.
baylis25 9 months ago
@baylis25 and who are you, his brain?
mailmeonline 9 months ago
@mailmeonline
No, it's just obvious, all American TV shows do it.
baylis25 9 months ago
overall this was a great event for the drivers and the fans
0039073 9 months ago
I am sure they did this to promote F1 in the US. The americans to see their driving hero Tony Stewart driving an F1 car they must be say 'Oh we need to get F1 back to US!' Especially after that 2005 tire scandal.
For Lewis if one day his career goes down the drain just like Montoya will end up in Nascar.
Juan Montoya drove for mclaren look where he is now....
jerryf196 9 months ago 2
@jerryf196 I was thinking exactly that.
Msimina 9 months ago
@jerryf196 i also hope that this might trigger something that would bring f1 back to the glen
mailmeonline 9 months ago
would love to see a British team in NASCAR and a US team in F1
Ellscore 9 months ago 5
@Ellscore -- From what I'm told by multiple sources, there is a distinct anti-American bias in F1. Just like I assume there would be people who'd not like to see a Brit team in NASCAR. Recall that one of the criticisms of CART before the formation of the IRL was that it had more and more "foreign" drivers, all driving "foreign" cars (March-Cosworth), and no room for "American" drivers and manufacturers.
geek49203 9 months ago
@geek49203 I think you may be right but hopefully it wont always be like that. With the popularity of Indycar there is enough reason for the US to put together atleast one competitive F1 team (with an American engine, design and set of drivers). Perhaps this will happen after the opening of the circuit of the Americas. I have no doubt that Lewis loved driving Stewart's car despite the typical european bigotry posted under this video. If he could do both F1 and NASCAR I'm sure he would.
Ellscore 9 months ago 2
@Ellscore -- Here's the math: $4 mill for a NHRA top fuel team, $6-10 mill for an Indycar team, $25-34 mill for a NASCAR Cup team, and at least $100 - 400 million for F1. Why would a corporation want to spend that kind of money to reach an audience that is so small in the USA? American corporations are either in F1 (Intel, HP, etc) now, or cannot justify the cost-per-eyeballs for F1.
BTW, having lived in both Indy and Austin, I cannot understand how that Austin thing will succeed.
geek49203 9 months ago
@Ellscore - To expand on the Austin circuit -- I never met any race fans in Austin when I lived there, certainly no F1 crowd. I have sources at Indy, and the stories they tell me about Bernie and F1 are outrageous. Bernie's last offer to Indy was about $200 per fan in sanctioning fees ($20 million), plus bizarre demands like removing the label from the "French" onion soup.
Maybe that new track will be host for Austin City Limits in future years, or South by Southwest?
geek49203 9 months ago
@geek49203 F1 is global and that is why teams want to get involved (If they can afford it). Bernie is a just a business man so who cares. He doesn't race or own any one team. F1 is all about the teams and the fans. You sound quite anti F1 which for me is hard to understand but no doubt you have your reasons.
Ellscore 9 months ago
@Ellscore Ask any former CART / CHAMP person about the problems with international sponsors. Who in the USA will spend $200 million to be in F1? HP and Intel etc are already there, right?
F1 is NOT all about teams and fans, it is about owners and egos and beating Ferrari. Mostly it's about Bernie.
Bernie is NOT just "a business man". He just bought the most expensive house in the USA for his daughter with his F1 money.
geek49203 9 months ago
@geek49203 Thats just your opinion. I accept Bernie is a shrewd man but you should try to look past the corporate side of things. F1 is cutting edge technology so there is bound to be alot of money involved. What has Bernie's daughter got to do with the US having an F1 team? F1 IS about the teams and fans. No Teams + No fans = NO F1.
Ellscore 9 months ago
@Ellscore I watched the Monaco F1 race at Indy, with 4 former CART/CHAMP hard card holders, about 20 yards from the Indy garages. I have press creds. You? If you discount "the corporate side of things" you won't have a racing series. No money = no teams, period. CAN-AM went under twice, Trans-Am 3 times, and CART only a couple years after its $100 million IPO. F1 blows up periodically, and the current cost containment talks are an effort to keep it intact. Just my opinion, a learned one
geek49203 9 months ago
@geek49203 thats all interesting however you don't seem to mention much about the racing side of things. Are you an accountant, journalist or race fan?
Ellscore 9 months ago
@Ellscore Press creds for Milwaukee this weekend! I'm a fan too.
Modern auto racing isn't about technology. It's about making money with sponsor dollars and TV rights. That is what the White Paper was all about, and what NASCAR did better than anyone else!
CART and CHAMP both had great racing, but the business models were doomed. Both tried going international, and both lost lots of sponsorship because of it. If "international" and "great racing" were the key, wouldn't ALMS be huge?
geek49203 9 months ago
@geek49203 Racing in general was better years ago but people died week in week out. Safety and technology have led to various evolutions. The improved media coverage has brought many changes too (some not so favourable). Love him or hate him; F1 would not be where it is now without Bernie. The Canadian grand prix last week was fantastic. Best race drama I ever saw.
Ellscore 9 months ago
@Ellscore bernie is the guy that makes f1 so expensive for fans, he's the guy that bans any coverage except for his, maybe the sport itself is better, but don't do it by shitting on the fans
mailmeonline 9 months ago
@Ellscore Best drama you ever saw? (shaking head) obviously not one who caught that last Indy 500. I do like watching F1, but they have one on-track pass for the lead on the last lap ever decade, ya know?
geek49203 9 months ago
@geek49203 The race last weekend was won on the last lap with an on track pass. You Fail.
Inxeccion 9 months ago
@Inxeccion I saw that. Still think that makes F1 the most exciting form of auto racing (which was the claim) because of one actual last-lap on-track pass for the lead every decade? I mean, if that is what you call excitement, and justification of a $400 million / team budget, then I wonder how you'll respond when you see a $1 million / year SERIES do that every night of the week? I mean, let me show you last-lap passes...in Outlaws, USAC, NASCAR, any number of SCCA classes, and short track!
geek49203 9 months ago
@geek49203 I agree, F1 isn't the most exciting motorsport in the world, NASCAR however......ugh, I'm sure takes a lot of skill but from the outside looking in its just some plastic cars going around in big circles or cornering with all the grace and poise of a Sumo wrestler rolling down a big hill and crashing every 5 minutes. F1 is a battle between the best drivers in the world in some of the most advanced cars ever made. NASCAR is a collection of fat blokes with money called Buck and Bill.
Inxeccion 8 months ago 13
@Inxeccion You might know F1, but your comments indicate a distinct lack of knowledge of NASCAR. Having covered a few DOZEN such events at a journalist, let me assure you that 1) crashes in NASCAR aren't "every 5 minutes", and 2) your "Best drivers" really such when they try NASCAR. JPM? Jaques? Kimi? Aside from road courses, what have they done?
Last, your comment about "Buck and Bill" indicate you haven't met the current "blokes" at all. Please study before you take the exam next time
geek49203 8 months ago
@geek49203 you should read over your responses next time, you know, for some grammer and spelling errors? Oh, wait, i forgot, your from U.S....... when was the last time a nascar driver went into F1? Yeah, i thought so...
GeneralRIMT 8 months ago
@GeneralRIMT - Spelling errors versus your stupid errors. The best NASCAR driver makes more money between pay and endorsements than most of F1 drivers. I spent part of last weekend talking to former F1 people, including Justin Wilson's people who told me about his Minardi saga (another was a former F1 engine engineer). F1 people can't do NASCAR because -- get this -- there is a real talent to both, and each is completely opposite of the other. JPM will tell you that fer sher.
geek49203 8 months ago
@geek49203 ...Montoya is not considered a 'best driver' in F1. He's an F1 reject who showed early promise, yet couldn't perform to that level consistently over several seasons- hence why he lost his ride at McLaren and had to leave when no one else would take him. Almost no one really remembers his name now.
MrDragon1968 8 months ago
@MrDragon1968 -- Didn't say JPM was Sienna, did I? But, unlike most of the field of any given F1 race, he's at least won a race, right? What I'm saying is that there is a "trick" to NASCAR driving, and in fact the driving style is completely opposite of what open-wheeled drivers learn. And if you look carefully, none of the pointy-nosed guys except Tony Stewart have had ANY success. Why is it that race drivers and teams watch every other form of motor sports, but their fans have to be snobs?
geek49203 8 months ago
@geek49203 'Sienna'? Isn't she an English actress ;-) Seriously though, I was just pointing out JPM isn't the 'best' of F1. He was a mid level driver who showed early promise but soon deteriorated. Jacques & Kimi both won a single championship each but had very sporadic careers & are well past their F1 sell by date now- so perhaps once 'best of'. Mario Andretti won in both NASCAR & F1; so 'pointy nose guys' can do NASCAR & vice versa. However I agree they're both very different disciplines.
MrDragon1968 8 months ago
@MrDragon1968 Going back a bit, Fangio tried Indy for a few laps, and promptly left in 1958. Graham Hill and Mario obviously are the drivers who succeeded at "all of the above". AJ won Indy 4 times, and then surprised everyone by winning LeMans, but obviously never drove in F1 (probably would never fit in the car).
All open wheel racing in the USA goes thru Indy, as the Austin guys will find out. If F1 can't make Indy work, they can't make the USA work.
geek49203 8 months ago
@geek49203 Yeah, Graham Hill was one of the old time racing driver polymaths. He's one of my heroes. Fangio was one of the greatest drivers at F1 level, but wouldn't necessarily compete in all other spheres. Jim Clark is another of the top level old school guys who could 'do' everything- also when racing was much more dangerous. However Aryton's still one of my all time favourites in F1. I'm curious of the 2012 F1 Texas entry to the season. I'd quite like to see the US participating more in F1.
MrDragon1968 8 months ago
@Inxeccion I've love F1 all my life, but I have to disagree with your impression on NASCAR. I started watching it a few years ago and realised it is an exciting racing formula if you just give it a chance. You come to realise that oval racing is incredibly dangerous and the skill all the drivers show in racing tyre to tyre at up to 200 mph is remarkable. It is just as tactically interesting as formula and you often see drivers coming from nowhere to win. All the ovals are different BTW.
Drazi10 8 months ago
@Inxeccion the grand prix of canada was pretty exciting! this year in f1 has alot more about it then previous years...its heading in the right direction with the new curds and wing actuation.
iragekao 8 months ago
@Inxeccion Try too pull your head out of your ass long enough to realise that racing is racing. Lewis respects what Tony does and Tony respects what Lewis does. Why? Because they love to race. Give them each a unicycle and they'll race. It's what they do and what we love... Ok, you can re-insert your head in your ass now. Thank you for listening
gjb16 7 months ago
@Inxeccion I have respect for both types of racers. NASCAR is a 3000 cas ona banked track about 45-60 degrees and straightaways on about a 45 degreee angle. You shold try it. I ahev respect both types of racing.
andersport 7 months ago
@Inxeccion
You go out of your way to fit the a-hole F1 fan shtick. NASCAR is basically a grass roots campaign with less investment per season than an F1 team spends per race. The rules and technology are kept at a low level so that skill eclipses spending. That DOESN'T happen consistently in F1. With Ferrari and McLaren throwing upwards of 300 and 400 million a year, the small guys can't hope to compete. If you don't like it, you don't like it. Just cut the shit, that's all most of us ask.
bullmilk 7 months ago
@geek49203 We will have to agree on disagreeing. American racing audiences tend to like driver vs driver which is cool and the purest form of racing. F1 is more driver + engineers vs driver + engineers. When an F1 driver thanks his team he really means it.
Ellscore 9 months ago
@Ellscore Well, when I see Dan Wheldon this weekend, I'll let him know that us Yanks don't think that engineers in Indy (or crew chiefs in NASCAR) are important.
geek49203 9 months ago
@geek49203 Thats not what I said or meant (and you know it) I was referring to spec racing in general. Apart from setup tweaks and adjustments; the crew chiefs, engineers, spotters etc.. dont have a hugely significant role in the outcome of the race. Obviously they have duties to carry out which are very important but it doesn't amount to a total race strategy. But you yanks like it that way
Ellscore 9 months ago
@Ellscore I only know what you wrote. I will tell the 256 drivers here at the Indy race this weekend that their engineers don't influence their success, and then we'll see what they say. BTW, talked w/ a former (16 year) F1 engineer today -- what did you do? He's working in Indy cars now...
geek49203 8 months ago
@geek49203 An engineer in Indy doesnt nearly affect the end-of-the-day result as an F1 engineer. Just look at the performance gaps between the current F1 cars.
GeneralRIMT 8 months ago