durrrr is being careful versus Lex Veldhuis

[nikomartinez111]

u know ur viewed as a manically loose aggressive player when tom dwan is afraid of betting trips against you.

[weatherallc05]

there was no point betting the river tbh the board texture totally swings towards just checking

[TomiAk47]

since his kicker does not play the check is definately the superior play, the only hands that would call a river bet are hands that he would split the pot against and the hands that beat him are most likely gonna raise him

[BadAssBlackOverlord]

@TomiAk47 He should have raised. Period. A smallish raise with very little risk.

[kookoon]

wat a donk this tom dwein

[ensayofr]

@kookoon sure you make it to that table moron

[hiephoi058]

fido dido

[equivocalx]

Also Lex regulary double and triple barrels many turns and rivers, this means that checking the turn against an aggressive player like durrrr would mean the opposite of him firing multiple barrels as a bluff. Means one of two things, he has air, or he's trapping with a straight. Most likely the air. Against over aggro players you can still exploit them over the long run with pot control lines, which is what durrrr did here.

[equivocalx]

Also Lex regulary double and triple barrels many turns and rivers, this means that checking the turn against an aggressive player like durrrr would mean the opposite of him firing multiple barrels as a bluff. Means one of two things, he has air, or he's trapping with a straight. Most likely the air.

[equivocalx]

Also Lex regulary double and triple barrels many turns and rivers, this means that checking the turn against an aggressive player like durrrr would mean the opposite of him firing multiple barrels as a bluff. Means one of two things, he has air, or he's trapping with a straight. Most likely the air.

[equivocalx]

The check at the end wasn't that strange. It was more of the fact that durrrr realized that Lex was gonna fold to any bet after any he checked the turn and river. So betting has no value here, add that to the fact that Lex is capable of check raise bluffing and the check here makes sense.

[FakeAssKilla]

And Durrrr would pwn him so hard if they would play heads up , he is never ever a worthy adversary!

[FakeAssKilla]

veldhuis is a huge fish and losing player! Check out his stats at pokertableratings(dot)com, 1. his old screenname " Raszi " and 2. his current SN " L. Veldhuis" . both are obv down several thousand of dollars. even if ptr is not that accurate, u can gain an insight about the performance of the players.

He only can play that high because he was staked earlier and becaus he is sponsored by pokerstars now, stars is only sponsoring him because of his image!

[futuroleghista]

@FakeAssKilla Oh thanks, I watched some videos of Veldhuis in a row and I was confused: nothing he does makes any sense even when he's right!

[awowsmatow]

Does anyone else think that Veldhuis looks a bit like the shermanator from the american pie films.

[Release1234]

@awowsmatow haha yes!

[ruarihennessy1]

@awowsmatow it is him

[TheBarbahaba]

@awowsmatow what do you mean look like ? its him thats how he financed his internet poker

check on imdb thats him lex veldhuis

in that period of time he used to die his hair in red and had a bad case of pimples

[itssti]

@awowsmatow hahaha I see it now that you've mentioned it

[ThenextPhilivey]

I want these cards!!

[JiveDadson]

Solid showdown. He was not going to get called.  Raised maybe. Would you want to put all your chips in to a check-raise holding a weak ace?

[cantor0305]

strange last check from an offensive player like durr . i don't understand what he afraid about.

[JiveDadson]

@cantor0305 He was "afraid" of being beaten by a stronger ace or a full house, or being bluffed out of the pot.

[dubconor]

My own opinion is that alot of the internet pro's understand that the crazier they look on tv, the strong lines with bullshit hands etc... = mega bucks vs people who think thats how the actually play when grinding away

[gelendghik]

thats what happens when one donkey plays against other donkey!both are idiots!

[MisterBouncyBounce]

imo durrr wasn't really being cautious as much as he played solid poker. this hand shows more evidence that durrr is a great player than most of the wild things he does that work out. he understood that he was about to be put in a position he usually puts the other person in.

[flip92]

WHAT IS LEX GOING TO CALL RIVER WITH?

GREAT CHECK DWAN :)

[mikeaprice09]

@flip92 Lex would probably call with a king.. It wasn't a 'great check' but it wasn't a bad one

[kisado]

Durrr > Lex. Lex doesn't impress me. He's crazy, that's about it. Durrr can play poker.

[Shirazae]

@kisado

well said. 

[HeavyBassss]

If durrrr bets, I don't think lex is calling with any hand except maybe a flush, which Dwan is beaten by. And if durrrr bets lex is good and crazy enough to shove in that spot, which durrrr knows too. This isn't nitty, it's just sensible poker play from one of the games top players. Instead of criticising, why doesn't everyone accept that durrrr is gunna make more correct decisions than anyone commenting on his videos would do, including me

[imluvinyourmum]

'i get a lot of respect at this table', no Lex, dwan just knew he couldnt get any value out of u. Id say lex actually got owned considering there was no way he would call a bet, if dwans reading his hands that good he wont be able to bluff / extract value.

[AelfricLake]

@imluvinyourmum knewin is shit, he was afraid thats all. if he is that sure why didn't durr just raise value and let him fold? he just didn't bet, he didn't even try thats the point.

[imluvinyourmum]

@AelfricLake Lex is more than capable of reading weakness and check raise bluffing here, his check actually would encourage him to do that id say, He sees alot more than the avg casino player and durr is well aware of this. No value lost + avoids a hyper aggro opponent putting him to a tough decision.

Thing is for a player like durr that doesnt leave much value unattacked on the table, to check this river back against u as an aggressive opponent when u have nothing is worse than u think.

[imluvinyourmum]

@AelfricLake lex will also call with alot of hands here after checking, he knows durr is liable to bluff the river almost everytime he feels like he can steal it, which is a lot id say against lex lol. what im saying is nothing to do with this hand, im talking about future situations that dont look like they will go in lex's favor by the way this hand went. Maybe u are right and dwan will be a nit against lex every hand and miss alot of value, but i dont think that will happen lol

[xrollerzx]

considering lex only had 70k left tom knew a 3/4 pot bet would not be enough because lex was likley to shove and tom didnt want to put himself in to that situation so he checks pretty simple

[Wisest85]

"I don't believe that, an animal we have not seen in these parts before, a cautious Tom Dwan"............yes indeed, a very rare elusive animal, there is only one known so far, very very rare.

[followuobliss2008]

Nope Tom is scared of flush draw now.. If he bets Vex might raise and ther is no way of finding out cuz Vex seems to be waiting for a card with his avg bet amounts.. No risk.. Not a bad play

[nutrino99]

There are all sorts of hands that beat Durrr and if Lex doesn't have one of them he isn't going to call any bet anyway, so no point betting. Good play by Durrr but pretty standard I'd say.

[VicenzoV]

@nutrino99 So if Lex has a worse hand than Dwan, there's no reason why Dwan should bet.

Sounds like golden poker advice.

[TongueKissinGators]

he was being careful on the turn which wasnt the safest card....on the flop he just didnt wanna lose him

[Fidothedog11212]

he would only get called by hands that beat him

[JeeRaph]

@Fidothedog11212 That's not true at all. There are plenty of hands he could get value out of.

[mamizemoshe]

i think that's a first....respect

[ssslipnssslide]

he has a perfect stack to check/shove...dwan knows hes either check/shoving or check/giving up <--obv almost 100% here.... highly unlikely that he's c/c or c/decide with a worse hand.

[mkools79]

Pretty standard play against over-aggressive Lex. You don't want him to come over the top when you bet the turn, especially on that draw heavy board. I think A8 is a check behind on the turn in most cases, expect when u r holding them against Tom Dwan :)

[tcdie]

daniel is stuck therefore mentions the straddle twice in this short clip. such a fish

[Semibrucelee]

It was during his 4.2 millions lost to isildur1

[Cinemadaptation]

the final " i got a lot of respect at this table " sums it all.

[dArN0k]

wtf

[DarkReapZz]

dwan didnt want to get re raised lol

[TheeNameIsBrandon]

wow did dwan really do that

[BNS206]

Lex' reaction at 2:21 is like: "damn, is durrr really afraid of me checking trips aces like that"?

[dh144498]

lex is a sick bluffer too.

[SHELFSIDEYID1882]

This is why Ivey is better imo, he would have made the read Lex was weak and not been scared of him raising whereas Dwan is more experienced in situations and knows a lot of the time against crazy mother fuckers you can get brainache in this spot

Both would still pwn me in 2 hands though and I'd give up a bollock to be them for a week so whatever, sick life

BTW as i type this Lex playing 1/2 and durrr plays 500/1000 lol

[VinzorBE]

@SHELFSIDEYID1882 but lex is probably multi tabling a shitton of tables while dwan isnt?

[mm1k3y]

durr is shit.

[SnareStyle10]

I think Lex's stack size determined Tom's check. He just wasn't willing to put him all in with an 8 kicker, and if he bet the river he wouldn't get called by anything aside from a hand that beats him

[SeGawasgaming]

@SnareStyle10 exelent description of the hand, totally agree with u

[Semibrucelee]

Take in consideration Dwan had been playing Isildur1 online, precisely during this filming, and he's been trought huge downswings.

[dereksbooks]

Anyone with a brain would be cautious against this guy.

[rickybobby5150]

bad check on the turn dwan. 10 wasn't much of a scare card... diamonds froze him for the check down.

[EGarrett01]

I'm pretty sure this was while Durrrr was in the process of losing 4 million dollars to Viktor Blom in all-night heads-up sessions. Obviously his brain and his confidence were a little rattled.

[vince117]

If Dwan bets here and for whatever reason Lex decides to bluff by reraising all in, Dwan cannot call with his A8 anymore. He has good showdown value, but on that board his hand cannot withstand a raise. So he checks because no worse hands will call his bet and because he doesnt want to get called by better hands or raised by a bluff.

[MAMA67]

I think he was worried about his kicker since lex bet $12,000 on the flop.

[slicer1028]

@MAMA67 his kicker didnt play you dipshit. AAAK10..learn how to read a poker hand. moron.

[slicer1028]

@MAMA67 his kicker didnt play dipshit..AAAK10..learn how to read a poker hand before you make a post that makes you look like an idiot..dumb shit.

[MarcoMvL]

@slicer1028 why don't you learn to read a hand moron, if lex had ace jack or ace queen dwam would have lost still so the kicker did come in play. next time you don't reply to someone that is actually right.

[slicer1028]

@MarcoMvL wow u are such a moron..IF he had AJ or AQ he would have lost..but he didnt did he u fucking moron? so the 8 kicker didnt play..and u still said he didnt like his kicker..the 8 means nothing you idiot the 10 on the board plays..once again you sound like a retard..talking about what would have happened IF this or IF that was true..u are so fucking retarded lol

[MarcoMvL]

@slicer1028 plz read my comment, than read yours, than think about it for 2 min. and look how retarded you sound. I replied to a comment where you replied to mama67 where he said "dwan was worried about his kicker". Dwam couldn't possibly know that lex didn't have AQ or AJ, so yes ofcouse his kicker counted in his desicion making.

[jessie11982]

@slicer1028 nar, i think he didn't bet, because in his mind, he was either betting to split the pot if the guy had an ace with a 7 or lower kicker, or betting to lose the pot if the guys kicker was higher than 8.

no value in betting...unless the other guy didnt have an ace, but then, why would the other card call, again, no value!

[jojomcbean]

@jessie11982 lol... u r ridiculous... i will play you heads up for any stakes u donk

[jessie11982]

@jojomcbean so you think I am wrong, why not just say that you disagree with me.better still, disagree with me, and be an intellectual about it, and tell me why.instead,you just told me i'm wrong,and said nothing else.impress me, give me your opinion, and justify your opinion. as for the challange for heads up, we were commenting on a game which involved more than one player, so the challange, I dont get it, but yes, i'll play you, if you're in my bankroll range.Pokerstars?I'm serious, play?

[jessie11982]

@jojomcbean oh, and if you want to insult me, find something a little more original than "donk". you use common poker insult terms and you think it makes you sound clever? or is that what you do, you fire insults about a player, then hide behind your monitor patting yourself on the back for a job well done? oh, and before you start correcting my messages, i mean to say in my previous message "one other player", not one player. i play 5c 10c so if you're willing to crawl down, i'll play you

[mmnmnmmmnmmn]

@jojomcbean Would you play me? I'll play ( 200-600 nl ) up to 4 tables, If you want too, leme know bud, thanks.

[ParisHilton1982]

i love watching durrr and lex, they are so good. and i dont think tom dwans play was that bad. lex wouldnt pay any dollar. he didnt get any value

[monkypool]

im not a good player like say what tom dwan had to do, but one thing is true, ive never seen tom dwan before being careful!!!!!! he is very agresive!!!!

[the3bigreddevils]

Standard play , lex could have been betting an underpair and in maybe toms eyes got their, he only woulda checked the river with a) nothing or b) full house. could of had KK aswell or a better ace so its not a bad check. Vsing lex people will usually just check call with their monsters and let him build the pot. Harringtons rule ; Play opposite to the table.

[captcool420]

I love the kids who are like, WTF I WOULD NEVER CHECK TRIPS THERE...ACTUALLY I WOULD HAVE JUST SHOVED PRE FLOP WITH ANY ACE AND HOPED TO WIN. I CAN BEAT PHIL IVEY!

[hockeyislife67]

dwan checked the river because of the amount lex had back, 70k when the pot was 45k. A standard value bet there is anywhere from 20-32k. The number of times tom gets called by a weaker hand there (especially after it was checked to him twice) is not more than 3x the number of times he gets reraised all in and is forced to call (usually losing to a stronger ace/fh).

[Gforcebond]

@hockeyislife67

Yea, i agree i think b/c he was short stacked that's why Tom checked it b/c a check raise by Lex in that spot looks super strong plus how often is he really going to get payed by a weaker hand in that spot on the river. I think if Tom put Lex on a king he would have bet the river but clearly he didn't he thought lex either had a made hand or nothing.

[musvlehead]

dwan played it to the max..he wasnt gona bet..but would call anythng lex thru out thr.if dwan would of bet odds r lex would of thru his hand away..played just right lex wouldnt hav cald a dollar if dwan bet he seemed disintersded in the hand.besides if dwan bets on river only hand beat him is betr one..from watch all the pros i rarely c dwan make mistakes this muthr fkr is a beast at poker...top 3cash game players phil ivey .tom dwan.patrick antonious.the others good but not like these 3 animals

[gshankaran]

If I were in Tom Dwan's position, I'd have done the exact same thing. He knew he had the nuts and could take out Veldhuis at any point, but the thing is, Lex had about 70K which is not much, and is an action man, he raises the pot with nothing. So, it is much much easier for someone to hit a huge pot while he is still in the hand because he forces the other players to overplay their cards. This benefits the guy holding the nuts.

[VicenzoV]

@gshankaran That sounds logical but it doesn't explain the check on the river...

[jiannj]

You can tell Lex is more afraid than Tom Dwan when he give up betting after the flop or maybe he bet 12k to read if Dwan hit something. Either way he is afraid to pull a 3 bets bluff because of Dwan or the 2 Aces.

[ElephantRage]

WOW

[Furthermore23]

i have a lot of respect on this table.... why did tom dwan check the river? just a value bet...

[nybombs]

@Furthermore23 Would've been a check/fold for lex anyways... He checked both turn and the river. So really there's no "value" to bet in when he could also face a freakish re-raise.

[blackout2189]

@Furthermore23 Lex is fucking batshit crazy sometimes. If Dwan bets, even for value, Lex will either a.) fold, or 2.) Raise up a shit-ton, leaving Dwan with a difficult decision. Those trips are extremely vulnerable, and Lex could easily be playing QJ in that situation. Hell, Lex could even be holding a crazy diamond draw too (less likely, but def possible.)

tl;dr, Lex is one of the few people in this world that can Durrr Durrrr

[sammygee17]

@blackout2189

tl;dr

[talarum8]

@blackout2189 fuck, after that "shit-ton" i just bursted out half of my tea on da screen XDDD

[Be4TinGyoU]

@blackout2189 Shut up already you 2 plus 2 tard

[BobbyNutzzz]

@blackout2189 Thanks for saving me time to type the same thing bro

[b0ilhawk]

i like poker

[VicenzoV]

Dwan is cautious because Lex is the only player at the table who's crazier than he is... ;)

[mjthemoonman]

@VicenzoV true to that sir

[treezX]

@VicenzoV crazier, yes....better? i doubt it, lets see lex do the durr challenge and see how he does

[Gofannon1985]

Funny why they put 0% and then when the 10d appears suddenly changes to 9%. I dont know if they changed that on this new season, but if it is 0% it was supose to be no outs, right?

[exnuMi]

@Gofannon1985

It's because the 0% was when Antonious still had his Q4, and once he folded, Lex then had 2% because he could now hit running straight cards, wheras before he would have only been splitting with Antonious, therefore 0% to win when Antonious still had a hand. When he folded, the runner runner turns into a win against Durrr's hand.

[lwc888]

@Gofannon1985 He needs runner runner J 10... and since Antonius has a Q too, he cannot win it. Best case scenario is a tie. On the other hand,Antonius CAN win with runner runner spades, so he's not 0%. Then after the 10 hit on the turn and Antonius left, he could win with a J, hence the win prob. bump.

[SurvivingTheHorizon]

i cant imagine phil ivey checking there?

[SurvivingTheHorizon]

theres no reason to raise the flop. turn check is 50/50. river check is weird. he's definitely afraid of the check-raise shove and i guess feels the value he'll get out of a king is too small. really interesting hand.

[nisag17]

i admit to making the same play occasionally. You feel foolish when it turns out this way. But the logic being is that lex raised preflop so he could easily have an ace with a better kicker than dwan's. If he is bluffing he probably won't call a bet on the river. But didn't expect something like this play from dwan (he played like me!).

[redrumyo]

@nisag17 CORRECTION .. YOU played like HIM ..

[bamboo]

@nisag17 dont compare urself to durrrr

[nisag17]

@bamboo you're right. :)

[moctezuma2008]

Interesting... I thought dwan check the turn to make it seem like he had a weak king or something to encourage lex to bluff the river... Did he really check the river because he was cautious or because he knew that betting the river wouldn't help at all since lex was bluffing?

[brodyunderscorezagar]

@moctezuma2008 i think durrrr knows that lex is capable of check raisng the river and it would be really tough spot for durrr, he would probably have to fold.